Game of Owns: Letters to Braavos
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Episode 212 – Letters to Braavos

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The wedding is finished, the King is dead, and the cards will fall. Join Eric, Zack, Micah, and special guest Kate as they discuss “Breaker of Chains” and Game of Thrones season 4 as it now stands.


Discussion Topics

Hello to Kate
Sansa’s escape
More suspects
Varys
Tywin’s solid advice
Viewing the body
Wildlings behaving badly
Business at the Wall
News reaches Dragonstone
The gates of Meereen
Tyrion, and Podrick
Arya and the Hound love soup
Owns of the Week
Reads the Tweets


36 Comments

  1. Aldi_A
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Stannis!!!!!

  2. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Varys is not going to testify that Tyrion killed Joffrey, like most criminal testimony, it will be specific so I would assume it’s specific to intelligence he had on Tyrion, which means his knowledge of his interaction with whores and/or his supposed threats against Cersei….I honestly don’t remember what happened in the books so my speculation is not based on that. I think his testimony will only be related to Tyrion’s motive to kill Joffrey. The most obvious thing will be the fact that Cersei (and they will blaim Joffrey) had Roz kidnapped and beaten because they originally thought she was Tyrion’s woman. Then Tyrion threatened Cersei (“ashes in her mouth”). Then Joff later killed her–don’t know if they will bring that up. So motive is what I think Varys will testify to.

    Tywin is incredibly smart and educated. Twyin would love to have a good king on the throne but he’d prefer that it always be a Lannister–even if it was a crappy Lannister like Joffrey. Imagine what good Tywin could have done for the Kingdom of Westeros with his brilliant mind, his money and his power. But his ambition for his family blinds him to the good he could have done and still could do for the realm.

  3. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    My owns for the ep: Davos when he says to Stannis [paraphrased here]: So blood magic isn’t beneath you but sellswords are?

  4. Mr. Lemoncloak
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    my own goes to the new girl on goo :-) please keep her on, very pleasent voice and great insight
    ~ johannes

  5. Soopa Doop
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    I know a lot happened on the episode, but how was the Syrio Farrell mention not brought up? He wasn’t mentioned by name but if I remember, he was the 1st Sword of Braavos who argued with Daavos about the difference between a smuggler and a pirate. That was awesome!

  6. Aldi_A
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Soopa Doop,

    That wasn’t syrio it was another first sword but Syrio did get mentioned when arya said she had friends in braavos.

  7. Ser Blount Sarkasm
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    The Hound gets the own for coming up with a code yesterday and then breaking it today with out batting an eye. Please tell me he just wanted his money back from the Brotherhood. BTW: Those Hoster Tully peasants are just a bunch of big government moochers.

    Hound-dawg give me a call. Lets talk.

  8. Soopa Doop
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Aldi_A,

    Aww, well I wish it was. Daario needs a mention for own of episode for not only taking the hint from Dany after she told her other warriors, “no” and using it as a chance to show off, but for also literally pissing on Mereen and it’s warriors. Well played Daario, well played.

  9. FictionIsntReal
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    After what Sam witnessed at Craster’s Keep, his fears about his Night’s Watch brothers are hardly irrational.

    Stannis does NOT know about Shireen’s involvement in Davos’ literacy. Davos told him that his son Matthos taught him (before he died).

    Danaerys tells the others they are too important to die, Daario then makes the opposite argument of his competitors by deprecating himself and his expendability.

    Robert found lots of time to enjoy himself, but it still didn’t seem like he actually enjoyed being king (he’d presumably rather be like Oberyn). He didn’t actually fight the war in order to become king.

  10. KingJon
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    I’ve always maintained that TV Shae would not betray Tyrion. I still believe this, despite the curve balls this season. But, I’m open to the fact that Shae does ‘betray’ him in exchange for their lives, but is still hanged by Tywin. A complete Shae betrayal at this point would be out of place in my opinion.

  11. FictionIsntReal
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Soopa Doop:
    I know a lot happened on the episode, but how was the Syrio Farrell mention not brought up? He wasn’t mentioned by name but if I remember, he was the 1st Sword of Braavos who argued with Daavos about the difference between a smuggler and a pirate. That was awesome!

    We don’t know if that was the same First Sword.

  12. John M W
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Screw it, in my mind it was Syrio. :D

  13. outdoorcats
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    The Hound never ‘raped and pillaged,’ Eric. At least from the information we know from both the books and show, The Hound has never raped anybody (unlike his brother). Killing Mycah the butcher’s boy (on Joffrey’s orders) is probably the worst thing he ever did. On a scale of evil he’s a 4 or 5 at worst.

  14. gisizzlah
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    did anyone else get a ‘Dunk and Egg’ vibe when the old man asked Arya and the Hound for help?….

  15. spacechampion
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    I hope Pod brought some proper Quartheen Duck Sauce condiment to eat with that duck sausage.

    I found funny the line “You are stronger than you know” after seeing a similar line used repeatedly in Californication as a pick-up line.

  16. pntrlqst
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    KingJon,

    Maybe you missed the shot in the trailers with a surprised Shae lying seductively on a bed, during the hour of the wolf, with what looks to be Tyrion’s shoulders in the foreground of the frame.

  17. Aldi_A
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    John M W,

    Unless I’m mistakes syrio worked for the sea lord of braavos not the iron bank if they changed that on the show you guys may be right.

  18. jwal
    Posted April 21, 2014 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Tommen! I like the actor cast.

    Also, I hate new Daario. He just stood there, where was the bravado? He didn’t look confident enough during that encounter in Mereen. Gahhhhh, I’m so angry!

    So, Jaime in the show is not Jaime in the books now. Too bad, now I’m sad. I liked book Jaime.

  19. John M W
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Aldi_A:
    John M W,

    Unless I’m mistakes syrio worked for the sea lord of braavos not the iron bank if they changed that on the show you guys may be right.

    No, you’re correct. I’m just being cheeky. :D

  20. John M W
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Great podcast guys! It was nice listening to a well tempered and balanced discussion of the episode (not a lot of that going around today).

    Loved Kate’s contributions as well. I prefer when you guys have 4 people on the podcast (as well as a female perspective). Hopefully she’ll stop by often. :)

    And Eric, you were almost in my good graces today until you dumped cold water all over the phenomenal Tyrion/Pod scene. ;)

  21. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    gisizzlah:
    did anyone else get a ‘Dunk and Egg’ vibe when the old man asked Arya and the Hound for help?….

    Are you inferring “The Sworn Sword”? I did get that vibe as well. I had a silly notion that the Hound & Arya would actually stay a few nights and help defend the farmer and the dell against various denizens of the dark (or maybe help the man out with a certain water problem). Silly me….the Hound doesn’t have a “code” like Dunk.

  22. Headhunter
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    The hound talks about how much he loves killing and he felt no remorse over killing him. How is that less evil than most of the other characters? Seems male characters can get away with a lot more in some viewers eyes than females which is depressing. The whole Walter and Skyler White is a prime example. Also people who watch GOT who vilify Cersei then celebrate male characters who rape or kill. People who say Cersei made Jamie push Bran out of the window etc and even a few people saying she deserved to be raped and it was her fault for rejecting him so what did she expect? Horrific.

  23. ****
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 5:55 am | Permalink

    Sandor was called a rapist twice in this episode… is that true? was there something I missed?

  24. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    My own goes to Dany for that ingenious bit of psychological warfare with the barrels full of slave collars and chains. Plus I probably won’t be giving her (m)any others as the plot progresses.

    Jack Gleeson gets an honorary own for staying still as statue for that entire 8-minute scene. I’m glad they carried over the funeral customs from the very first episode with Jon Arryn and the painted stones.

  25. Blind Beth
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    To our knowledge, The Hound is not a rapist and has done minimal pillaging. He guarded Joff and killed on Joff’s orders.

    Otherwise great podcast, really enjoyed the new voice!

  26. ****
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Also, just recalled that in the book doesn’t Sandor actually work for that guy and not rob him?

  27. Just a Random
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Great episode.

    Davos made a great point about being a “famous” smuggler. And Littlefinger did a great job of smuggling Sansa out of the city and he never left the ship. Three cheers for human trafficking? Clearly he had a role in the purple wedding but how much? And if the necklace was made weeks in advance who trusted Littlefinger that much to give him said role?

    It’s somewhat ironic that Tywin orchestrated the Stark slaughter with writing (the penis mightier than the sword /SNL Sean Connery voice) and now a newly literate Onion Knight may have found a way to slaughter Tywin by writing a single letter to the iron bank.

    The Hound is a jerk, but a jerk the world needs. Or something like that. Arya didn’t exactly protest his logic. She’s now threaded someone with Needle and seems to be a little more cold than last season.

    Jaime and cersei. Still gross, and now repugnant. I was just beginning to warm to his character too. The dialogue before that with Tywin and Tommen was awesome. Steering Tommen in the direction he wants, and doing something very similar to the Red Viper. Although I’m not sure the Red Viper needs any advice on the birds and the bees.

    Dany still likes marching places and freeing people.

  28. Trav
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Kate was an excellent addition. Hope she becomes a show-regular

  29. Falcon
    Posted April 22, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Trav,

    Yeah, keep Kate for sure

  30. DidYouPutYourNameIntoThatGobletOfFiyah!
    Posted April 23, 2014 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    I just had a couple questions that this episode raised for me. Spoiler free please! Did the Second Sons join Dany’s army or was it just Daario? When he offers himself to fight he said something like he isn’t the commander of anything. If they did join isn’t Daario their commander? Dany wouldn’t let Grey Worm fight because he commands the Unsullied. Also why doesn’t the rest of the Night’s Watch come to Castle Black to help fight? We get a reference in previous episodes that The Shadow Tower and Eastwatch by the Sea are also manned. Thanks!

  31. Missy
    Posted April 23, 2014 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    I found it odd that everyone was making Sam out to be this irrational worrier whose judgement is clouded by emotions. The scene right before his conversation with Gilly is someone (Thorne?) listing reasons different men are at the wall… “Thief. Raper. Raper. Thief and raper.” And then Thorne makes a joke about visiting her at night. Sam clearly has good reason to be concerned, imo. But I agree that moving her away from Castle Black and his protection is not the ideal solution.

    Love the show as always! And Kate was a great guest host. The guys are awesome but its nice to hear a female perspective as well. (I miss Selena!)

  32. Koi No Yokan
    Posted April 23, 2014 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Please make Kate a regular! She was great, as were the usual bunch of course. Keep up the awesome work guys; always look forward to my weekly GoO!

  33. Just a Random
    Posted April 23, 2014 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    DidYouPutYourNameIntoThatGobletOfFiyah!,

    They probably can’t come because they need to keep those presumably key locations manned. Either way, the crows are neck deep in a pool of crap.

  34. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 23, 2014 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    DidYouPutYourNameIntoThatGobletOfFiyah!:
    I just had a couple questions that this episode raised for me. Spoiler free please! Did the Second Sons join Dany’s army or was it just Daario? When he offers himself to fight he said something like he isn’t the commander of anything. If they did join isn’t Daario their commander? Dany wouldn’t let Grey Worm fight because he commands the Unsullied.

    I’m very confused by show Daario as well. It is almost like last season never happened. He is (was?) the captain of the Second Sons in GoT but all they show are the UnSullied in the background, no sellswords.

    Daario is the murderous captain of the Stormcrows in ASoS after killing the previous leaders and he does bring his sellswords with him. In GoT, he is the murderous captain of the Second Sons after killing the previous leaders, including Mero (who was actually the captain of the Second Sons in the book and who died via the hands of freed slaves after attacking Dany). I believe it was implied that show Daario’s “Second Sons” sellswords are now accompanying Dany’s army.

    [Someone may revise the details...responding from memory]

    Hope that helps. The show’s differences are confusing. We’ll see how the season plays out with him and Dany. “Butterfly effect”.

  35. Ser Hodor Halfmast
    Posted April 23, 2014 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    “Mourning wood” haha. It’s never too soon to have a laugh.

  36. Sam
    Posted April 23, 2014 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    I really liked this ep and Kate was perfect, it just really bothered me that you guys seemed to be avoiding the term “bisexual”. I haven’t read the books, but even if Oberyn isn’t textually identified as bi (or pansexual even), I think it’s okay to say that word on the show, no?


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