Game of Thrones Season 4, Episode 4 Preview – “Oathkeeper”
By Ours is the Fury on in Media.

“He wasn’t involved in Joffrey’s death- but you were.”

From the official HBO synopsis: “Dany balances justice and mercy. Jaime tasks Brienne with his honor. Jon secures volunteers while Bran, Jojen, Meera, and Hodor stumble on shelter.”

The fourth episode of season four is written by Bryan Cogman and directed by Michelle MacLaren. MacLaren will also be directing next week’s episode, “First of His Name.” As seen in the trailer, “Oathkeeper” features the return of Burn Gorman as Karl.

Ours is the Fury: Cogman and MacLaren were my favorite writer/director combination on paper so I’m excited to see how the episode turned out. Although to tell you the truth, the episode title alone is enough to have me really anticipating this one.


146 Comments

  1. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Hodornication!

    Bryan’s back, Brylliant! It looks like we’re getting 2 episodes with Karl and Rast too, because they’re not getting out of this mess alive anyway.

  2. KG
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Looks like a good one :D Can’t wait.

  3. Turncloak
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    IGN posted an interview with Aiden Gillan regarding Littlefinger.

    Game of Thrones’ Littlefinger: I Got a Ship!
    http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/04/24/game-of-thronesa-aidan-gillen-littlefinger-got-a-ship

  4. TheMannis
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Thrones’ popularity is bigger than ever!

    Outranking big budget Hollywood movies in terms of views!

    1. Game of Thrones Season 4: Trailer #1: 22,076,856 views

    https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-godzilla-top-youtube-q1-trailers-ranking-195957459.html

  5. cosca
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Should be a solid set up episode. Not expecting much more.

  6. wizardeyes
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Realllllllllllllly looking forward to this episode – the combination of Cogman and MacLaren is awesome. I think this episode should really set things into motion for the rest of the season. The previous episode had alot of talking about what’s coming up but that stuff will start to happen in this episode.

    Dany taking Meereen. Littlefinger telling Sansa about how Joffrey was poisoned. Brienne and Pod heading out. Jaime taking Tyrion’s side which sets up the trial stuff.

    Any news on Oberyn’s appearance in this ep? We know from preview there’s gonna be a Cersei/ Oberyn scene and a Varys/ Oberyn scene.

  7. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    TheMannis,

    That is incredible. A true global entertainment phenomenon. I’d really love the series to end with a movie. It would seem the audience is very much there, and I don’t think even HBO’s lavish budgets could do justice to all the moneyshots GRRM has in store in the books.

  8. arden
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Karl is a great expanded role from the books. I have watched that scene between him and Craster so many times.

  9. Walter Harrow
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Can we please get Arya (and The Hound) for two episodes in a row? Does anyone know if Bryan Cogman wrote any scenes for them (Maisie and Rory) this season or if they worked with Michelle McClaren?

  10. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Take a look at the quick peek of Karl, does it look like he’s about to drink from a skull?! Ewwwwww

  11. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    arden,

    He’s in the books as “Clubfoot” Karl, but he takes on the role of a character called Dirk I believe, and Rast becomes Ollo Lophand (as he never took part in the Great Ranging). I agree, anything to get more Torchwood stars on the show (Ian Gelder, Owen Teale, Indira Varma, Robert Pugh and so on). The fact he barely flinched as Craster lunged at him was pretty cool.

    I wonder how one drinks from a skull though, given the issue of low fluid containment with 2 gaping eye and ear holes and such?

  12. Arthur
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait to see the new Mountain!

    Since Tywin told Oberyn that he could arrange a meeting I hope we get our first look of the Mountain this coming Sunday.

    Perhaps The Mountaun receives the orders to go to KL while at an inn? So we can see an infamous book scene unfold?

  13. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    I only just noticed the ripples in the Valyrian steel. It looks incredible.

    Valyrian Plastic,

    A lot of the other strips are VERY NSFW, but this one isn’t. So, regarding the skull-drinking…

    http://oglaf.com/skulls/

  14. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    In that translated interview on YouTube posted last year, Hafthor said he filmed for 2 weeks in Croatia and 1 week in Belfast, so it sounds likely that he’ll be in the Riverlands with Rorge and the rest of his cronies. Or it might just be for interior shooting following his slow poisoning, which might be brought up by Qyburn in the finale?

  15. patchface
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    What exactly does Petyr tell Sansa? I couldn’t understand him for some reason.

  16. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp: A lot of the other strips are VERY NSFW, but this one isn’t. So, regarding the skull-drinking…

    http://oglaf.com/skulls/

    Hah, thanks for that one! My take on it basically is, if you’re going so far as to drink out of the skull of your enemy, why not go one step further and stop up the eyeholes with precious gemstones? I imagine that’s what the Freys did with Robb’s head, except they made a chamberpot for Walder instead of a cup.

  17. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    So this episode likely contains the scene that they had to cut because it was too much.

  18. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Man, I don’t even want to imagine what happened to his head…

    jentario,

    Which scene are you talking about?

  19. Ryan Stark
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t anyone notice the white walker at the very end??? Suprised you guys missed that.

  20. Mark YZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    patchface,

    “He wasn’t involved in Joffrey’s death, but you were”. I assume he=Tyrion.

  21. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Ryan Stark,

    I’m surprised everyone and their book-reader mother is calling it Coldhands.

  22. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I certainly hope they didn’t, but I just imagined that’s as far as the Frey’s couldn’t give a fuck. I can’t wait for them to get a taste of their own pie in season 5. And Walder should be dead already anyway, from like, the weather. Come on George, medieval life expectancy was 35 or something, he’s not Mr. Burns (though he’s clearly as evil).

  23. pntrlqst
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Not sure, on HBOGo, episode five is rated for its “graphic violence,” whereas this one is just “violence.” Both are directed by the same director w/ the same DP.

  24. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    The cold preserves?

    No matter what we may think of him, I don’t think anyone can deny that Walder Frey has incredibly resilient genes.

  25. Ramsayreek
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Doing a movie after having many seasons using a 10 hour long format would be the worst decision ever. It would feel rushed, wrong, and would not work with the current format and what we’ve come to expect.

  26. Bastard of B-Town
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    I love that they have given Thorne more a role than in the books, such an awesome asshole of a character I am not sure he will make it through the season though, if he does too good a job defending the wall then he would be more likely to win the lord commander election. Also he goes up against big man Tormund at the battle, I dont want either of them to die.

  27. Arthur
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    I am just really looking forward to Oberyn’s and Gregor’s storylines this season…

    Oh yeah I finally watched the Smaug movie and it’s a shame Conan gave up Gregor to play a totally CGIed Orc that he will never get known for…

    If he would have stated on as Gregor D&D could have done a little more with that character during season 2 and 3 and Conan wound have made a much better name for himself in the buisness.

    What a bad move by him.

  28. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Ramsayreek,

    It’s not a practical wish, but a wish is a wish. I’m not sure how they’ll capture the scale of the finale with the current format, as grand as it can be.

  29. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    If one of those Winds of Winter blows into the Twins and snuffs the old weasel out it’ll have made everything worthwhile. And we get more reasons to see David Bradley again too, he would do it (as Dany said) justice.

  30. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    The late Lord Frey, broken by the winds of winter? Oh, you are far too merciful. [laughs]

  31. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Probably Karl and Rast being rapey in Craster’s Keep. It was mentioned in an interview with Michelle Mclaran’s right hand man (was it the cinematographer?).

    Ryan Stark,

    Of course we noticed! I really hope it isn’t just some Bran vision. Also, this is the absolute last chance to see Coldhands (and this White Walker adds wood to the fire). Another thing is that the promos show Rast putting a baby out for the White Walkers in the snow, so it could be related.

  32. Idaan
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    The Scythians historically did make cups out of their enemies skulls according to Herodotus (they also made bow quivers from their flayed arms, where the hand formed a flap that closed the quiver). But what they did was use the neurocranium (braincase) and throw away the viscerocranium (the facial part with the eyeholes). Using the lower part is just stupid.

  33. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Revenge is a dish best served cold. May the Others take him, they need a new provider of young male progeny now Craster’s dead.

  34. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Did they say they had to cut it? Not that I mind if they did. There’s richer ground to cover.

    I do think it’ll have something to do with Rast’s offering in the trailer.

    Idaan,

    Thank you. That was a particularly interesting history lesson.

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Oh, I take that back. You are heartless. May they milk him with their frigid touch ’til it falls right off.

  35. Felt Pelt
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Spoiler/Speculation: Tommen sitting up suddenly in bed probably means a visit from Margaery, establishing her influence by being ambiguously seductive. I imagine they aged him up for this reason.

  36. anuhealani
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Do we have any scoop on whether Dany will kick Jorah out of her club as in the book? Jorah is a lolarious character at best but I will certainly miss Iain Sexyvoice McSexyface Glen if he’s absent for a while.

  37. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Unfortunately the safe for work comic had a porn ad at the bottom. Good thing no one can seen my screen at work! Everyone else, be careful…the website might be okay but the ads on it, might not be.

  38. Jared
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    anuhealani,

    That’s most likely finale material. There are shots both the Foreshadowing video and the directing video that show Jorah, sans armor, slowly climbing the steps towards Dany’s throne. It certainly appears that he is about to be exiled. Whether or not the inciting incident is the same as it is in the books (that she discovers his past betrayal) or something different (he goes behind her back to chain the dragons, he attacks Daario, etc.) remains to be seen.

  39. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    They didn’t cut it entirely, they shortened it and cut the more offensive parts (I think).

    anuhealani,

    If he’ll be gone it’ll be for about half a season, so no real loss there…

  40. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    A regrettable oversight. My apologies.

    anuhealani,

    It’s probably coming up, but I’m not looking forward to it. He’s a real highlight of Dany’s scenes. Or, well, he used to be. Maybe it won’t be so bad. He’d be pulling a Selmy. Speaking of which, I’m dying for some storytime with Selmy. I love reading about Dany learning her heritage from him.

  41. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    anuhealani,

    I will certainly miss Iain Sexyvoice McSexyface Glen if he’s absent for a while.

    Me too! Have you heard him in interviews though? His natural voice is much higher and was kind of jarring to me since I’d never heard him speak that way before. And his natural accent is very different too. Now if he could only use his deep sexy voice with his real accent, I’d be swooning.

  42. Arkash
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    “You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.”

    There’s gonna be a lot of awesome in this episode, but I guess the think I’m most eager to see is the return of Burn Gorman as Karl !

  43. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    No worries!

  44. Fan of Catelyn
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Actually, even though average life expectancy was about 35 in medieval times, many people lived until their 70s.

  45. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Fan of Catelyn,

    And Walder’s now 92, and Aemon’s 102 (though as book readers know, he’s not going to see his 103rd nameday). It’s bound to happen occasionally, and it’s forgivable in an imaginary fantasy world I guess. At least there are no Dunedain or Dwarves living well into their 200s.

  46. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Fan of Catelyn,

    Especially those of means. And there are some groups in America today who live with a similarly low life expectancy. In fact, there are plenty more near-medieval aspects to the American reality than most like to acknowledge.

    Arkash,

    We must learn the secret of his miraculously clean-shaven look!

  47. Annara Snow
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Fan of Catelyn:
    Valyrian Plastic,

    Actually, even though average life expectancy was about 35 in medieval times, many people lived until their 70s.

    Yeah, the low life expectancy was mostly due to the number of deaths in infancy and childhood.

  48. Ramsayreek
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    anuhealani,

    Absolutely. There is so much time and so little story in Mereen, there will not cut that. Especially as it’s great TV/drama for well developed characters. PLUS they need to get that started for the entire Tyrion/Essos arc next season.

  49. anuhealani
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Jared,
    Thanks for the info. I hope we don’t have to wait that long, but it looks like they’re really stretching a lot of storylines thin this season, especially Jon’s and Tyrion’s.

    WompWomp,
    I too miss the moments of Jorah and Barristan actually doing stuff. I was hoping against hope that Barristan would be Dany’s champion. Ah, well.

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,
    I have heard him in interviews and I have to agree with you, at least a little. It’s still quite lovely to listen to, all the same. Just lacking…portent, or something. Or maybe brow-furrowing worry. Heh.

  50. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Ramsayreek,

    Tyrion’s story may greatly benefit from the fact that storytelling in television is largely external. This way, we won’t be stuck with a season of him wondering “where whores go.”

    anuhealani,

    While I’ve voiced my preference of Skrein’s Daario on many threads, that doesn’t mean I don’t hope Huisman will rise to the occasion. Dany (and her storyline) will need all the help she can get, and Selmy is still only one character. Still, when can we expect to see Barristan be bold again? C’mon, showrunners!

  51. anuhealani
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,
    I’m trying to remain optimistic about Huisman as well. Looks-wise, I think he’s a better fit, but so far he’s lacking the swagger. Honestly, though, I’d've supported them dropping the character altogether if it meant we got more History Funtimes with Barristan!

  52. Matt Sinopoli
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Bastard of B-Town:
    I love that they have given Thorne more a role than in the books, such an awesome asshole of a character I am not sure he will make it through the season though, if he does too good a job defending the wall then he would be more likely to win the lord commander election. Also he goes up against big man Tormund at the battle, I dont want either of them to die.

    Yeah, they have done a great job of adding layers to his character on the show instead of just presenting him as a one dimensional asshole like in the books. I loved his speech in season 1 about surviving winter beyond the wall and how he begrudgingly listens to Jon’s advice because he actually cares about the Night’s Watch. Another great example of the show fleshing out the minor characters from the books.

  53. Ramsayreek
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Agreed. I just hope they don’t whitewash his story since he seems to be so popular…. (ie how he becomes bitter and mean – the way he treats the whore and penny)

  54. Steven
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    WompWomp,

    I certainly hope they didn’t, but I just imagined that’s as far as the Frey’s couldn’t give a fuck. I can’t wait for them to get a taste of their own pie in season 5. And Walder should be dead already anyway, from like, the weather. Come on George, medieval life expectancy was 35 or something, he’s not Mr. Burns (though he’s clearly as evil).

    It was only that low because of the high number of people who died in infancy or childhood, and after that from the high number of malnourished peasants. The old characters in this story are either noblemen (Walder, Aemon) or living with noblemen (Old Nan) who are generally going to have a lot more resources to keep them going longer (including young wives in Walder’s case….).

  55. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Mountain ‘a comin’!

    Fee-fi-fo-fum…I smell the blood of a Dornishman!

  56. jwal
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    was that Tommen in bed @ 0.27 after Brienne shot? A visit from Cersei, Margaery or Jaime?

  57. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Arkash:
    “You are a bastard. A daughter-fucking wildling bastard.”

    There’s gonna be a lot of awesome in this episode, but I guess the think I’m most eager to see is the return of Burn Gorman as Karl !

    This. When all is said and done, and the WIC.net editors put together their awards for “best lines of the series,” this is in the discussion. It has to be. For me (and folks are you with me), it’s the way he creepily closes his eyes just before he says that line.

    And I agree with those who say they’ve done a great job with Alliser Thorne. They’ve definitely gotten the asshole part well but his “You don’t know cold” speech to Jon/Sam in “Cripples, Bastards & Broken Things” really shaded his character nicely and made it clear that he’s a “fuck or walk” kind of guy, and that the cold they deal with really does absolutely torture you in a world like this, and while some may be more kind in tolerating how the newbies get used to life at the Wall, he’s one of those who does not.

    They’ve done a great job with just about all of the Night’s Watchmen on the show.

  58. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I smell an obvious spoiler that you can’t edit. MODS! GET ON IT!

  59. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Bastard of B-Town,

    He has to die, for the point you mentioned. If he survives, there is no way that Jon would be voted as Lord Commander over him.

  60. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Hey guys, my recap for Ep 3 is now up at http://drangedinaz.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/20-things-about-ep-3-breaker-of-chains/. I’d love to get some feedback (this one is rougher than the first two…was up til 3 am last night, long story)

  61. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    And why do you presume that? Is he dead in the books when Jon wins the election? No. If Jon shows some great leadership skills, do you really think people would pick bitter old Thorne over him? But yeah, Thorne may well die…

  62. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    It should be fine, so long as Dolorous Edd survives for now. “Grenn, fetch me a block,” Urgh, that has a terrible ring to it ;).

  63. Head of the Wolf
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    I agree & I think it’s the only time we can see Natalie Dormer naked again on the show

  64. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Because he wasn’t acting Lord Commander in the books and he wasn’t even present for either of the battles. As we see from the trailers, he leads part of the battle in the show, even giving a big speech.

  65. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    ACTING lord commander- they still have to have a vote once the Night’s Watch gets their shit together. Suffice to say, Thorne isn’t exactly a nice or lovable person and I don’t think any of the Castle Black recruits like him very much. The odds that they would choose Jon Snow over him after the events of the battle aren’t really that small. Especially if Sam manipulates things.

  66. Zack
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Head of the Wolf:
    Felt Pelt,

    I agree & I think it’s the only time we can see Natalie Dormer naked again on the show

    I’m kind of hoping for Cersei’s accusations about Margaery (lesbian trysts with some Highgarden girls, was it?) to be true, and shown. When the time comes for that. To have her just deny it with Cersei unable to prove anything, as opposed to (what I remember of) the books when facts were more clouded.

  67. Lior
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    The “expectancy” in life expectancy means the expectation in the technical sense, informally known as the average — and the greatest determinant here is infant and child mortality. While life expectancy at birth was low for most of human history, those who survived to adulthood were likely to survive for many more years. Wikipedia cites this book, showing that, among members of the British nobility who survived to age 21, the average life was 60-70 years (the 14th century excepted because of the black death), and this remained basically the same for hundreds of years.

    That one person on the whole continent lived to 100 is not impossible. If anything, the really astonishing demographic fact is that all the children are surviving — there is no mention of infant mortality south of the Wall. In our world most children (even of the nobility) didn’t make it to age 5. GRRM has done his homework, however: the Maesters (and healers such as Mirri Maz Dur) demonstrate far greater medical skill than existed in the corresponding historical period.

  68. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    We’ll see. I think Ser Alliser is a dead man walking. Cause of death: impaled by Tormund’s member. HAR!

  69. Bastard of B-Town
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Bastard of B-Town,

    He has to die, for the point you mentioned. If he survives, there is no way that Jon would be voted as Lord Commander over him.

    At least if he does die, the changes to this seasons storyline means we will have more Thorne screentime than if he had just filled the roll he does in the books. And we could get some awesome fight scenes and show a true nightswatchman sacrificing himself.

    They could give him the roll of Bowen Marsh though in the long run, I wouldnt mind him sticking around. Just dont see it happening.

    Its good to see the guy who was Bowen Marsh back as a new minor character with a few lines too, he will probably get killed in the attack on the wall. So many awesome minor characters at the wall, I wonder which ones will die in the battle? Grenn maybe, Pyp maybe, Thorne. Think at least 1 or two will have to go to thin out the minor characters and have a bit of shock in the fight.

  70. Lior
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps Alliser Thorne is taking Donal Noye’s place in the tunnel?

  71. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m not denying that possibility…

  72. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Lior,

    SHOW SPOILER: we already saw Grenn in the tunnel in previews… :(

  73. Bastard of B-Town
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    I wonder where Slynt will hide during the battle. It will be cool if all these minor characters have a little arc for the episode, id like to see what Aemon, Edd, Pyp, Grenn etc get up to whilst Jon and bigger characters take up most the time

  74. dragonreborn
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    I will be quite unsatisfied if I will not have had enough lysa and montain appearances by the end of this season..

  75. wizardeyes
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Well in one of the behind the scenes videos we saw that theres an Thorne vs Tormund fight so I assume Tormund is gonna win as he’s more important going forward (Bringing the wildlings to Jon’s side). As long as Janos Slynt survives so he can be beheaded in season 5. I imagine Janos will spent the battle quivering under a table.

  76. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I REALLY hope that it’s Thorne who dies in the tunnel fighting the giant and not Grenn, but I suspect it’s going to be Grenn. I will have a very big sad if that’s the case.

  77. Bastard of B-Town
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes:
    jentario,

    Well in one of the behind the scenes videos we saw that theres an Thorne vs Tormund fight so I assume Tormund is gonna win as he’s more important going forward (Bringing the wildlings to Jon’s side). As long as Janos Slynt survives so he can be beheaded in season 5. I imagine Janos will spent the battle quivering under a table.

    The fight between those two will be incredible. There are only a few possible outcomes though.

    1. Thorne wins and Tormund dies – dont see it happening, Tormund hopefully has a much bigger role to play in the future
    2. Tormund wins and Thorne dies – Could well happen but I want my boy Thorne to make it a bit longer. It would be a cool epic way for him to go though
    3. Thorne takes Tormund prisoner – I hope it happens this way but I dont see Thorne as a taking prisoners kind of guy.
    4. Something interrupts them and they are drawn apart – BORING

  78. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    jentario: a

    Come on…Really? Last week’s episode predicted the RV & Mountain meeting very clearly! And the season previews show them fighting! I declare premature spoilerfication!

  79. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    I’m kind of hoping for Cersei’s accusations about Margaery (lesbian trysts with some Highgarden girls, was it?) to be true, and shown.

    I think we might have something like that in store actually. Remember when Margaery was walking with Sansa in the garden talking about how she had to marry Tyrion and basically hedged around the “birds and bees” talk with her? M. said, ‘we’re hard to please’ (meaning women) and Sansa, poor little innocent dolt, said something like, ‘did your mother teach you that?’ and M. says “yes, my mother taught me that, you dear sweet thing”. I was TOTALLY thinking of the lesbian charges in the books when she said that.

  80. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    I imagine Janos will spent the battle quivering under a table.

    I so want to see Jon find his cowardly ass and force him out to fight or at least shame him.

  81. Bastard of B-Town
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Surely the slaves wouldn’t write “Kill the masters” in the common tongue? They dont speak that language at all.

  82. Jill
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    She also said “some women prefer women” or something of that nature during “the talk” she gave Sansa, and she’s been eyeing Brienne like she’s a damn lemoncake.

  83. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    You said something about Dornish blood. Which means the Red Viper dies. Which is a spoiler.

    Bastard of B-Town,

    Nit pick. But yeah, no one would understand it either (even if Dany wrote it). It doesn’t bug me much, though.

  84. patchface
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Mark YZ:
    patchface,

    “He wasn’t involved in Joffrey’s death, but you were”. I assume he=Tyrion.

    That makes sense. So I guessLittlefinger reveals to Sansa whodunnit and also makes her more dependent on him.

  85. MX
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp: In fact, there are plenty more near-medieval aspects to the American reality than most like to acknowledge.

    That’s a great comment. I have been saying for a while now that the US is entering its medieval phase (gated communities as wanna-be castles, substandard expensive healthcare being replaced by folk medicine, literacy levels and public services such as USPS decreasing etc). Maybe GoT is merely a sign of the times?

    Certainly two-tier internet is coming, and so are harsh winters.

  86. Carne
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Season finale ‘The Children‘ is 65 minutes long according to the HBO schedule.

  87. wizardeyes
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    What do you guys think they’ll end this episode with?

    Maybe Dany again with her actually taking Meereen?
    Night’s Watch?
    Craster’s?
    Something in King’s Landing?

  88. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Weren’t the past two finales listed at 70 minutes? I know the actual run times were 63-64 minutes, but they were listed as being 70 minutes on the schedule, if I recall correctly.

  89. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    I think it might end with the baby that Rast leaves in the snow being approached by a White Walker. Too similar to 202 maybe? Certainly don’t want it to end on Dany’s arc for 2 episodes in a row. My other guess would be something to do with Bran, so Beyond the Wall basically. I wonder if Dragonstone, Arya/Sandor or the Dreadfort will turn up after all?

  90. wizardeyes
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Hmm maybe. I really want more Dreadfort scenes! Hope there’s one in this episode.

  91. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    Given the title, maybe it ends with Brienne and Podrick riding away from KL? That, or Jon and a small group going beyond the Wall. But the most likely scenario is another White Walker tease.

  92. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Jill,

    she’s been eyeing Brienne like she’s a damn lemoncake

    I noticed that too! I was wondering if I was seeing things there and I almost made note of it in my video review this week, but decided to leave it out. Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed Margaery wanted to “hit that”. LMAO

  93. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    MX,

    Which reminds me, I’ve actually been wondering how much of what GRRM writes is purposeful social commentary….There’s certainly tons of obvious things in regards to gender roles, misogyny, violence, etc. But in particular, I’ve wondered how much he meant to say about socioeconomic issues, which are central to his books, of course. Since he was poor as a child, surely some of what he has to say is meant to reflect on things as they stand in the US today….

  94. jentario
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I remember season 3′s being listed as 63 minutes and many people getting disappointed that it wasn’t longer

  95. Ashara D
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Bastard of B-Town,

    Or 4. Thorne is injured by Tormund? Not enough to die from, but enough to keep him out of the running for LC? That way, Jon can send him on his way after Jon becomes LC.

    My vote for final scene this ep: Jaime saying goodbye to Brienne and she and Pod riding away.

    I love how uncertain we all are about what is going to happen. Makes us nearly-Unsullied. ;-)

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    It seems so, according to his RS interview. Even unconsciously. Perhaps not to make a statement of his own, but to point out the questions we all should ponder for ourselves. And not just the US, but all of the First World.

  96. Ashara D
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    It seems so, according to his RS interview. Even unconsciously. Perhaps not to make a statement of his own, but to point out the questions we all should ponder for ourselves. And not just the US, but all of the First World.

  97. The B of B-town
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    It would be pretty cool if Thorne gives the line “The Wall is yours Lord Snow” before his fight and death to Tormund

  98. Andrew
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    My theorizing on what happens to Tormund, considering they made him a series regular this year.

    (1) They could have him die at the wall, and he becomes a 1-season regular like Oona Chaplin. The series regular status was just contractual gobbledigook.

    (2) He somehow escapes the battle back into the wild, and is able to resume his role in the books where Jon negotiates the Wildling truce with him. Series regular status a la James Cosmo, where he’ll still be around, just not for very many episodes.

    (3) He is taken prisoner during the battle, and he replaces Rattleshirt’s role going forward. If they keep the Mance execution-fakeout part of the plot, this will keep Kristofer Hivju most active as a series regular in future seasons. We could great stuff with Mance-as-Tormund on the mission to Winterfell. I really like this idea, given that Rattleshirt has pretty much been a nonentity (as has Mance to be honest).

  99. Andrew
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Ok, I apologize for the lack of spoiler text in the above post about Tormund. I thought I spoiler-highlighted all of it, but only the first paragraph was blacked out and there is no option to edit OR delete like there used to be. Mods? Help?

  100. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ:
    MX,

    Which reminds me, I’ve actually been wondering how much of what GRRM writes is purposeful social commentary….There’s certainly tons of obvious things in regards to gender roles, misogyny, violence, etc.But in particular, I’ve wondered how much he meant to say about socioeconomic issues, which are central to his books, of course.Since he was poor as a child, surely some of what he has to say is meant to reflect on things as they stand in the US today….

    Definitely. I love that Arya’s ACOK/ASOS chapters and Brienne’s AFFC chapters in particular show how much war effects the smallfolk. Too often, in fiction and on the news war is glorified and the focus is all on the big players. The common people who are killed, raped or displaced tends to be forgotten. ASOIAF is really honest about war compared to other fiction IMO. It is kind of radical (in a good way).

    That’s why I liked the Arya/Hound scene in Breaker of Chains. We got to see how war completely fucks over vulnerable common people. I had been afraid the show would gloss over it too much.

  101. jjv
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    You live in the richest country of all time. The chief problem of nutrition is obeisity. Its nonsense to compare us to medieval anywhere. We’re in an economic downturn and the dynamism we are used to is gone but this “its all feudalism” stuff is nonsense. We are more technologically advanced than any nation at anytime and people from everywhere flock to our universities and shores for knowledge and jobs. This Dickensian/Marxist analysis of GOT is just way off the mark I think. GRRM of all authors seems to be more interested in story than “message.” He reminds me of Sam Goldwyn during Hollywood’s golden age (the depression!)”if you want to send a message use western union.”

    Yea he grew up poor, but look at him now! I think a bigger influence on him is he seems to believe in the gods of the copybook headings (see Kipling) as that is exactly what the Stark motto Winter Is Coming aims at. It is a message every poor kid finds out but rich ones normally don’t.

    The approach to power may be familiar in D.C. though, I’ll grant you that but I don’t think its just a part of feudalism.

    (also I like most of your commentary but this kick on this thread I thought off the mark.)

  102. Matt Sinopoli
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    The B of B-town:
    It would be pretty cool if Thorne gives the line “The Wall is yours Lord Snow” before his fight and death to Tormund

    This would be awesome. It seems like the writers are giving his character more depth because they are working towards an arc where he grows to respect Jon before dying so I think giving him that line from the books would be great. Assuming he dies on the show, of course.

  103. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    They’ve just released the recap for the next episode, which doesn’t give away much, but does pretty much confirm we’re getting the child sacrifice and The Dreadfort (or maybe Locke getting to The Wall).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s-1sIlUDuk

  104. Turncloak
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
  105. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Andrew:
    My theorizing on what happens to Tormund, considering they made him a series regular this year.

    I think his role will largely remain the same as in the books. He’ll survive the battle somehow, and become sort of frenemies and later “friends” with Jon Snow, though perhaps for fewer episodes in Season 5. I believe the reason they made him the person who goes over the Wall with Jon, instead of the Styr, was because they wanted to extend that relationship, as they did with Jon/Ygritte.

  106. Andrew
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I think you’re probably correct. I really do like the Mance-transformed-into-Tormund idea, though, as it would make a nice callback to that first scene in 3.01 where Jon mistakes Tormund for Mance. Would that be giving David&Dan too much credit of foresight, though? ;)

  107. Zack
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Good catch! That’s definitely an encouraging sign for that plot line

    I think it’s not as interesting to have that particular accusation be untrue. The idea that Cersei, in the midst of her paranoia, is jumping at shadows is only fun when sometimes there actually are things hiding in the shadows.

  108. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the leeches…The RW was S3 ep9 and the PW was S4 ep2. There were 2 episodes between the first two leech deaths. So…depending on the lethal power of the last leech spell, we should be getting a Greyjoy casualty during this episode or next. It’s all mathematically predictable, you know. It might even spur Stannis to get the hell out of Dragonstone.

  109. Zack
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I only hope we witness that moment instead of it being a bit of dialogue, one character informing others.

  110. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    I only hope we witness that moment instead of it being a bit of dialogue, one character informing others.

    I bet we get a scene where Balon tries to cross the bridge during a nasty storm, but is stopped by a bridge troll (a faceless man) and….he answers incorrectly those questions three…and the other side he didn’t see!

  111. MX
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    jjv,

    I have a Ph.D. from an Ivy League school and I have never been as poor as in the US (last year’s income less than 10,000 USD), which is also why I am about to leave the country, definitely (as well as indefinitely :P).

    The total amount of fictitious money handled by Wall Street does not translate into high quality of living for the bulk of the population, and even the upper middle class is threatened. Hence, I stand by my statement, the US is entering a medieval phase, especially in terms of horrible inequality. The modern conveniences are really just trappings.

    So many people wouldn’t be so enchanted by GRRM’s work if they didn’t recognize it as a reflection of our own world.

    On the other side, as a professional historian I can tell you that the medieval world was not quite as bleak as they portray it.

  112. Ozymandias
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    No way that this episode is better than 403, based on the preview at least.

    Anyway can’t wait to see Burn Gorman and Noah Taylor ! And of course a Bryan Cogman episode is always an event.

    This looks like a “Lord Snow” type of episode with solid dialogues…hope I’m wrong though.

  113. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    MX,

    Telling truths!

  114. Turri
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Plot twist: Karstark storms into Tommen’s room and kills him.

  115. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    anuhealani,

    Yeah, there’s no choice but to give him time to grow into the show. I don’t think we could have ever gone without the character in one form or the other, though. Who’s gonna ride the dragon otherwise?

    Ramsayreek,

    I wish I could suggest replacing that material with something better. I just find virtually all of the material in that space to be tear-inducingly boring. I’m sure watching it will be more fun, though, as suggested, since we won’t have to hear his cyclical thoughts ad nauseum.

    MX,

    Our only hope is a wave of state-initiated reforms to bring the Fed to heel. Otherwise, the bickering backslappers and their patrons will bring everyone else to their knees. It’s cute that people are still crowing about the 1%. Not enough people are calling out the 0.01%, and just how far from our free world image we have fallen. It’s really horrifying how rapidly we’re being overtaken by these interests. We’re on the downhill slope on so many metrics with no signs of a corrective course. I really do feel I’m growing up into a modern twist on feudalism. The only difference is our collars are cleaner.

    Turri,

    Hahaha! That’s probably why he’s upright in his bed in the trailer.

  116. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    MX,

    May I ask what your focus was, within your field? Any particular time and place?

    Gatehouse Ami,

    Preach, Davos!

  117. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Turri:
    Plot twist: Karstark storms into Tommen’s room and kills him.

    Brilliant.

  118. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    jjv,

    Richest on paper, but our wealth distribution is laughably skewed, and poverty’s roots are growing deeper and more robust with each passing season. American society is increasingly stratified, and even we won’t hear much about it because our collective attention span has been powdered and scattered. At the current rate of institutional degradation, we’ll scarcely be above being a nation of materialistic livestock in our lifetimes. The not-so-invisible hand of America’s faceless oligarchy becomes bolder by the day.

    Okay, that was a bit doomsayish, but the trend is very, very real.

  119. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I usually say Game of Thrones had me at the crowning of Viserys, but more likely it was, “a mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.”

    All yes. The college education bubble has burst here in the US.

    Should’ve known better myself, there’s a reason they call them “non-profits,” …double Bachelors in those. And now I farm. And always support the Cogman.

    Turri,
    Hahahahaha!

  120. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,

    Still one of my favorite quotes, though I wish the show emphasized it more. That was a great scene. I increasingly find S1 to be better than I remember.

    Do you really farm?

  121. Claire Johnson
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Bastard of B-Town,

    I usually don’t get bothered by these things but since they go to the trouble of inventing languages and having Dany speak Valyrian in front of the gates, to then have the slaves (I assume) of Mereen writing “kill the masters” in alleys is just … Huh. Really? They missed a good opportunity for some cool Valyrian graffiti and the common tongue makes no sense there.

  122. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I really do! It’s only an acre but it makes food and herbs. My WiC name is taken from the first plant that made money. Loved her. ;)

  123. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,

    That’s really cool! I’m surprised you can live off an acre. What sort of plant?

    Claire Johnson,

    It bothered me too, but I suppose the Common Tongue is like the Galactic Basic of ASOIAF. I imagine it would take a lettered slave to write that, and that’s not so farfetched.

  124. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    jjv,

    Actually, I never compared our current state to Feudalism, I believe that was MX comment (linked here MX). I simply wondered, what, if any, statement GRRM was trying to make about socioeconomics.

    IMHO I don’t think one can equate our current situation to Feudalism (I also live in the US). However, there are certain socioeconomic conditions which we do have in common with that era such as the very large gap between the rich and the poor (both within our country and particularly when compared to the rest of the world). For instance, for 90% of Americans the average annual income is $30,437 and they have only 10% of the nation’s entire wealth. Now compare the 90% of Americans making just over $30,000 a year to the rest of the world….they are in the 1% globally. These kinds of gaps are nothing to scoff at and as we become more of a global economy and more connected across borders, this gap will not be sustainable in the long run. It always results in societal instability and rapid change, usually violent.

    But I mostly mean this all from a historical perspective–am not staking out a position left or right–and out of curiosity about GRRM’s feelings on the matter. Okay, enough of the political talk… :)

  125. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Thyme for tinctures, grows like a weed!

  126. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,

    Excellent. May your fields be fertile and your planting prosper.

  127. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Thank your Grace. Winter is always coming!

  128. Chickenduck
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Regards the graffiti, I see two possibilities.

    1. Art department/director messed up.
    2. The slaves wrote it for Dany to read, not the other Meereenese.

    Hopefully the second, let’s wait and see :)

    A bit weird if they have just made a mistake though. They HAVE featured written Valyrian in the show once before already, in Talisa’s letter.

  129. JamesL
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    So this episode likely contains the scene that they had to cut because it was too much.

    I think it could be another rape scene because they cast 2 porn stars as Craster’s daughters but I hope not because I can’t think of a worse time to put something like that in the show after the controversy over last weeks episode. Another idea I had was that they have to cut the baby out of one of Craster’s pregnant daughters in order to sacrifice it to the white walkers.

  130. MX
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Very broadly speaking, medieval and early modern Eurasia, especially the Islamic world. So…yeah, “medieval stuff” is fun for me, but also serious work.

    Good to see that other people perceive some of the same problems and difficulties; too many close their eyes to the current realities.

  131. Claire Johnson
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Ok I can live with that scenario, also Chickenduck’s hope that it was written for Dany :)

  132. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    This week’s episode doesn’t feature graphic violence or strong sexual content. So that rules out rape or cutting a baby out of a woman’s belly. Next week’s episode features graphic violence, but no nudity or strong sexual content.

  133. WompWomp
    Posted April 25, 2014 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Claire Johnson,

    I doubt it was written by Dany, but it wouldn’t be so wild a departure for a slave to have scrawled it. Remember, Missandei was only a slave, but a specialized one. I’m sure there would be more than a few like her in Meereen.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Oh man, was that ever in the running? The atrocity in the spoiler tags, I mean. I don’t remember that in the books. I think that, presented as an act of violence, is where I would personally draw a line.

  134. Greenjones
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Where does it say what each episode features specifically, because in front of the episode it gives the same warning every time.

  135. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    I got it off of the schedule on hbo.com.

  136. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I was responding to another poster’s fear about that stuff happening. The director of photography that worked with Michelle MacLaren on her episodes(4 and 5) said that they had to remove something they filmed that supposedly went too far, even by GOT and HBO’s standards.

  137. Greenjones
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Thanks man.

  138. Greenjones
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Thanks man.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I don’t know if they meant cutting something so much as toning something down.

  139. Daniellica
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    jjv: You live in the richest country of all time. The chief problem of nutrition is obeisity. Its nonsense to compare us to medieval anywhere.

    Except in the past, obesity was most commonly associated with wealth (and the budget to eat sumptuous, fatty foods, and a lot of them), whereas now obesity is most commonly associated with poverty, as the cheapest foods are the fattiest, with the most sodium, the most processed, the farthest from fresh. Veggies and fruit are incredibly expensive (compared to, say, McDonalds), even at McDonalds (cost of a salad vs. a “McDouble,” say).

    Instead of turning back in time, I think of it more as First World countries acquiring the the societal structure of Third World countries, where you can afford shit or you can’t.

    Regarding the writing on the wall in Mereen, I believe there’s a very simple explanation–the audience cannot read High Valyrian. I sincerely doubt it was “missed,” or a mistake, but likely a very deliberate decision to make a quick impression with the words as it plays into the scene. Adding subtitles to written words is more awkward for an audience than when it is for spoken dialogue. I don’t think there’s anything sexier to be found in this obvious travesty!

  140. JamesL
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Remember they said they had to edit the scene so maybe they did film one of these types of scenes graphically but have toned it down in the final edit. The cutting the baby out seems like a more likely scenario but that wouldn’t explain why they cast some porn stars to play Craster’s “wives”.

  141. Greenjones
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I imagine the porn girls as Craster’s wives will just be nude in the background or on mutineer’s laps and whatnot.

  142. JamesL
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 4:21 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    That’s what I was thinking, they may just show them lying in bed with them to imply that they have been sleeping with them. Despite criticism over last weeks episode this show has always toned down or edited out the sexual violence and rape that is prevalent thought the books so it doesn’t seem like something they would put into the episode.

  143. Greenjones
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 4:57 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I just hope that didn’t make shooting too awkward with Bran being around and all. Or maybe he doesn’t ever see them. But still, a boy at that age would either be very uncomfortable or a bit too comfortable in scenes of that sort.

  144. JamesL
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Has there ever been confirmation that Bran and Co. do end up there? We know Jon gets there by episode 6 and I don’t think Bran would still be there by then. They wouldn’t want to reunite them since they have yet to meet again in the books. So would Bran get captured in episode 4 and then escape episode 5? I don’t see how they would fit into this storyline.

  145. cosca
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    I still think that the scene that had to be toned down is at at Moat Cailin. Probably the flayings. I’d place it in episode 5 if that’s it, because of the “graphic violence” warning for that episode.

  146. Brightroars_Bane
    Posted April 26, 2014 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    As for those words written on the walls–in the books, the Ghiscari slaves are from many different nations and speak many different languages. Jorah himself sold Westerosi men to slavers. So the idea that some among their number may speak and write the Common Tongue isn’t so far-fetched.


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