Written Recap Roundup – Season 4, Episode 4 “Oathkeeper”
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Dany Jorah and Barristan

Justice was the buzzword this week among critics recapping Episode 4 of Game of Thrones. While some examined the ripple effect (or lack thereof) of Jaime Lannister’s actions of the previous episodes, others pointed out how the episode may have served as a bridge to future episodes’ plot developments.

BOOK READERS

Sean T. Collins – Rolling Stone

Despite its provenance with two of the GoT creative team’s finest talents, loremaster turned writer Bryan Cogman and veteran Breaking Bad director Michelle MacLaren, “Oathkeeper” felt at times like flipping through your Netflix queue at random and watching one scene at a time. Thrilling? Dizzying? Upsetting? When it comes to rendering a verdict on that question, I know nothing (#jonsnow).

Charlie Jane Anders – io9

Last night’s Game of Thrones had a lot of scenes where people tried to consolidate their power. Some people make alliances, others bully their followers, and still others try to send their enemies on suicide missions. When your hold on power isn’t secure, you have to be crafty and ruthless…

Alyssa Rosenberg – Washington Post

For the previous three years, watching “Game of Thrones” as a reader of George R. R. Martin’s Song of Ice and Fire novels has been like attending an incredibly traumatic family reunion after years away…The things that are different, or not quite as we pictured them, only serve to deepen our sense of the familiar. This is the same story about the poison of patriarchy and the toxins of inequality, only a whole lot worse.

Myles McNutt – Cultural Learnings

Ultimately, I feel safe in saying that A Song of Ice and Fire and Game of Thronesare telling the same story, but they’re following two different narrative paths to get there, as evidenced by an episode that does a lot of labor in the interest of condensing a sprawling narrative into something more manageable for a television series. The result at times feels like pieces on a chessboard being awkwardly pushed together in ways that break the rules, but they’re rules only some of the show’s audience will even know exist, and rules that—unlike oaths—are made to be broken in the interest of a new set of rules that have developed over the course of this new narrative.

More book readers review and Unsullied react under the cut:

Todd VanDerWerff – A.V. Club

B; “Oathkeeper” is a beautifully directed—by Michelle MacLaren—episode and an intelligently scripted—by Bryan Cogman—hour, but it’s also one of those episodes that tend to plague the midsections of seasons of this show, where everybody just kind of stands around and nothing much happens because the producers realize they advanced events far too quickly in previous episodes and need to save something for later episodes. It’s not a bad episode by any means, but after the headlong rush that was those first three hours, this one feels a bit more like a wait-and-see approach, wanting to make sure we’re reminded of a bunch of characters and potential conflicts before we move on to other stuff.

James Hibberd – Entertainment Weekly

Quests, rousing speeches, White Walkers, conquests, direwolves, dragons and a pyramid to top it all off. This week’s episode was such a full-fledged fantasy show I half expected elves and orcs to battle in Mirkwood for a ring of power. And yeah, I know we didn’t actually see the dragons, but we got everything else, and I’m sure they were around there somewhere.

James Poniewozik – Time

King’s Landing is in flux, the plot heats up in the icy North, and last week’s controversial scene looms over a story of conflicted loyalties.

Laura Hudson – Wired

At its worst, the Game of Thrones show is exploitative, adding gratuitous “mature viewers” content in ways that add nothing to the story and occasionally distract from it. The latest episode, “Oathkeeper,” is a bit of both, and feels kind of like reaching into a grab bag of jewels and broken glass. There’s some really good stuff in there, but you probably aren’t going to get through it without wincing a little.

Thomas Fitchenmayer – Esquire

Power ranking (Shocker! Dany’s in the top spot)

Recap: As HBO’s Game of Thrones starts moving along, it marches inexorably closer towards overreaching George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire. And while this may cause concern for diehard book fans, this looks like a big problem for the smartest show fans, too, especially as they add things like – SPOILER ALERT! – white walker babies.

Scott Meslow – The Week

With so many characters making so many complex moral decisions, how does Game of Thrones define justice? These are intriguing, layered questions, and Game of Thrones handles them with characteristic depth and intelligence.

Matt Fowler – IGN

8.8/10; or those who’ve read the books, “Oathkeeper” sure kept you on your toes. It was a much more satisfying and eventful (and certainly less controversial) episode than last week’s, throwing out a bunch of curveballs that, honestly, I’m still trying to wrap my gourd around.

Nina Shen Rastogi – Vulture

In last night’s episode, the Game of Thrones creators revealed the answers to two mysteries that lingered from last week:Who killed Joffrey? And was the show going to take Jaime to task for that rape-that-wasn’t-really-a-rape-but-yeah-it-really-was-a-rape?

Sarah Hughes – The Guardian

The real monsters in this world – as this episode reminded us – are not White Walkers or dragons but other people

Elio Garcia – Westeros.org

An episode written by Bryan Cogman has generally been an episode to expect good things from, as he’s often artfully conveyed details from the novels that are present but not necessarily apparent in the TV adaptation; there are those who consider him a better writer than his bosses, David Benioff and Dan Weiss, for this reason alone. But those bosses loom large, and at the end of the day all decisions—and all scripts—pass through them and receive their approval (or, at least, acceptance). Which means—just as we’ve noted with George R.R. Martin before him this season, and as we expect to note for both of them as well as new writing addition Dave Hill—that the break down of the seasons, the decisions about how plot lines should go (especially invented plot-lines ) are chiefly their responsibility in the end, and it’s for writers like Cogman or GRRM to do the best they can. Some of these decisions have been inspired, leading to fantastic moments such as Theon Greyjoy’s burning letter or his beheading of Ser Rodrik Cassel in the 2nd season. Others… have been less inspired, and unfortunately there’s a significant portion of the back half of this episode devoted to one of those decisions.

NEW VIEWERS

Erik Adams – A.V. Club

B; “Oathkeeper” isn’t a particularly entertaining hour of television. It’s a bridge to forthcoming passages in Game Of Thrones’ fourth season, composed of storylines that are either well under way…or just getting startedWell before the White Walkers throw to the credits with the episode’s big gasp of a conclusion, this is an episode of cliffhangers. Its main storytelling aim is the enticement to check back next week, one of the less appealing attributes serialized TV inherited from its literary forebears.

David Malitz – Washington Post

Justice. The word can be defined in many ways, but in the latest “Game of Thrones” episode, “Oathkeeper,” it seems that justice correlates directly to a body count. Both Daenerys and Jon Snow claim to want justice but that might just be a more polite way of saying vengeance. Cersei doesn’t even pretend to take the high road; she just wants revenge. We also get reacquainted with yet another Worst Character candidate and get a first peek into the mysterious ways of the White Walkers.

Jeremy Egner – ArtsBeat, New York Times

After the dark twists of last week’s episode and the resulting hue and cry that unfolded online, “Game of Thrones” returned on Sunday with an episode titled “Oathkeeper.” That turned out to be pretty on the nose, as the various subplots revolved around promises kept, challenged and utterly despoiled.

Kristy Puchko – The Mary Sue

“Oathkeeper” gave us scenes that were absolutely horrific (Hodor!) and a couple that were surprisingly sweet…Justice was our big theme last night, which is a bit surprising considering how unjust the world of Game of Thrones usually is.

Alan Sepinwall – Hitfix

There’s always a certain level of role play going on in “Game of Thrones,” as various characters try to fake it until they make it — whether that’s to safer territory or greater power…But we get an especially strong dose of the idea in “Oath-Keeper,” in which an abundance of characters choose to pose in new guises, or have these identities thrust upon them.

Laura Stone – Hey, Don’t Judge Me

THE BABIES ARE THE SPICE! THE SPICE IS THE BABIES!

Peter Counter – Dork Shelf (Note: I do not know if this is an Unsullied review)

This week’s Game of Thrones has a lot to say about the promises we make in order to prove ourselves. Oaths are simple strings of words that at first seem noble, but when brought fully into practice they inevitably collide with the tacit commitments of family, the powerful bonds of friendship, and the cold, chaotic ambivalence of history. This is most prominently seen in the tragedy of Jaime Lannister’s reputation and is the prevailing theme of “Oathkeeper.”

Andy Greenwald – Grantland

So much of Game of Thrones, particularly as we hunker down into the murky middle of the story, involves waiting for other shoes (or heads) to drop. At times, the stately pace and relentless grimness can make a viewer feel less like a fan of a television show and more like some sort of mute witness, cataloguing unspeakable horrors in pursuit of an unknowable goal. Grey Worm’s clean argument — and Daenerys’s spotless win-loss record — offered an uncommonly easy victory for the unambiguous good guys.

Natalie Bochenski – Sydney Morning Herald

“Kill the Masters” was a running theme throughout episode four.

Brian Juergens – The Backlot

 All right, HBO – you’re not playing fair. You get us all excited by promising us AC/AL/V/N/ – YAAAAY! – and then give us an episode of Game of Thrones that boasts multiple rapes and some light child molestation. Can you come up with some new letters for that?

 

Never fear, video fans. Your patience shall be rewarded.


97 Comments

  1. Zack
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Laura Stone FTW

    I seriously love her take on everything. I wish she would do a video review too, though. With friends or colleagues at the website.

  2. Fred
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t undrstand why the Bran scene and Bran in generally got so much unreasonable hate.
    He’s got all the horrible comments and insults directed at him from the fans even more than Joffrey. It’s like he’s suddenly the worst person in the series.

  3. WompWomp
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else experiencing some serious loading times for WiC.net? I have a pretty decent connection, but it takes 6-10 full seconds, sometimes more, to load up any page.

  4. Zack
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Same here. Heavy traffic tonight?

  5. izelaya
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    In case anyone is interested, I’m a writer for a Baltimore-based magazine, but I do a little Game of Thrones recapping on the side with my TV blog, TVgasmic. I’ll be doing write-ups for every episode this season. Here’s my Oathkeeper recap if anyone wants to check it out! http://tvgasmic.com/2014/04/28/game-of-thrones-season-4-episode-4-recap-building-an-army/

  6. John M W
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    I’m absolutely dumbfounded by the number of reviewers I’ve heard say that this was a filler episode or had “people just standing around talking”.

    Did they watch the same freaking episode I did? Or is any episode without a big action scene filler?

  7. Falcon
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Just skimming that excerpt from Elio’s review… ugh. UGH. UGH. UGH.

  8. WompWomp
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    I’m sure Monday is a heavy traffic day, but it’s still surprising.

    Man, remind me to never click on Westeros.org’s reviews again. It was like stumbling into a horrible alternate dimension where everyone sagely nods in disapproval at their TVs.

  9. Turncloak
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Falcon:
    Just skimming that excerpt from Elio’s review… ugh. UGH. UGH. UGH.

    LOL

  10. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    I liked the episode overall just a few things dont make sense:
    Why it there another trap just before the cage with ghost in it?
    Why are they keeping ghost alive?

    The sam and jon scene where they discuss that bran is alive and that he might be at crasters is stupid and doesnt make sense.

    How is bran so far east of the nightfort? Should they be walking northward?

    Favourite scene is the jaime brienne oathkeeper scene, love those two

  11. WompWomp
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Falcon,

    Like a White Walker’s nails grating against a chalkboard as long as the Wall itself.

  12. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Falcon,

    At least Elio is consistent with his perspective. For me, it’s good to hear all sides to the story, except I sometimes take exception to Linda’s silly nitpicking.

    WompWomp,
    Yes, my connection is usually superb, except when I am on WiCnet. Get off those pathetic Windows servers…or boost capacity, dudes!

  13. Enfield
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Some of these critics have no business reviewing a drama. Others (like Elio Garcia) aren’t actually reviewing the show, they’re just keeping score. I don’t think they even know how much their prejudices are affecting their thoughts on the episode. The best Sullied reviewers in my opinion are Sean T Collins, Alyssa Rosenberg, Alan Sepinwall, and James Poniewozik.

  14. WompWomp
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    I guess it’s appropriate that Elio comes off as a disapproving historian more than anything else.

  15. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    Sepinwall is unsullied. His review this week is what I feared would happen after the scene that shall not be named last week. The comments in the ‘previously.tv’ unsullied section are the same way. It’s a shame, but what’s done is done.

  16. Oz of Thrones
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I’m glad you mentioned it as I’ve experienced the same issue and thought it was just my connection. I’ll see if tech will look into it.

  17. Falcon
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Eh, I’m just sick of the unfair flack D&D get. Without them there is no show. I’m not saying they’re perfect and deserve no criticism, but lately it seems like everything negative is automatically their fault. Don’t like something in George’s or Bryan’s episode? Must have been a D&D rewrite! Don’t like the direction some story is going? It’s all D&D’s fault! (Correct me if I’m wrong, but I swear I read Bryan and another writer help them with the season outline). Then when people gush about dialogue or awesome scenes in one of their episodes, they get absolutely 0 credit while everyone just waits to jump on them about the next thing they don’t agree with.

    It’s getting a bit tiresome. Show some god damn respect. The amount of time and effort they put in is insane and I’d say we’re damn lucky to be able to have such a high quality TV show to watch (and a great adaption of an amazing “unfilmable” book series). Again, I’m not saying don’t criticize, but stop acting like D&D are some great evil out to ruin the show and the characters. Ugh.

  18. Interior Bannisters
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Elio is very protective of the source material.
    Lets not pick at him when we know where his opinions come from

    But I definitely disagree.
    I really want the next episode to be less…. controversial. There is so much negativity right now its sad

  19. Jens
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Oathkeeper is not only a great name for a sword, it applies to so many things in this episode besides Jaime and Brienne; the Night’s Watch, marriage (Tommen and Margaery), brotherhood (Jaime and Tyrion), slavery, and even Littlefinger’s promise to Sansa.
    There was a lot of innovation in this episode. Many scenes were altered from the book. As an ardent book reader and lore purist, however, I can definitely say that I liked the changes.
    Yes, I actually like the fact that there is more convergence between Jon and Bran’s story lines. They are brothers after all. Bran’s story is too far ahead not to add more scenes that were not in the book. The only logical choice is to include Jon’s story line, in this case. Wouldn’t it be awesome if Bran possessed the mutineers and started a mutineer mutiny?
    I’m also enjoying Bronn vs. Jaime. This is actually a much better decision than Ilyn Payne (because he can’t talk … I do miss Wilko Johnson and am happy to see he is enjoying his life while he still can). Bronn is a skilled swordsman with a quick tongue that is such a brilliant character.
    And kudos to the show for including more scenes with the Others than the book. This is the big picture threat and the main antagonist. The last scene was especially chilling (no pun intended). I never envisioned the White Walkers having horns, or big pointy nails.
    As a book reader being surprised by these sort of innovations, I approve.

  20. direkrikit
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t had the chance to read through many other episode reviews today. But I was wondering if any made any remark regarding the shining light on Littlefinger during his “why” speech. I imagine it wasn’t by accident…

  21. Enfield
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Falcon,

    Agreed. There should be way more respect and positivity from everyone. I’d never say that there isn’t valid criticism, but some places are saturated with irrational negativity.

    Also, it’s too bad most of the reviews focused on the Sept scene from last week. That should get maybe a paragraph, then move on from it. It seems like most people were sick of talking about it after a couple of days. Even the best reviewers of the show put most of their energy into the ramifications of that scene, and ignored more interesting topics like Dany’s first step on the road to ruin and the wonderfully subtle scene with Margaery and Tommen.

  22. Hippy Forest
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Huge fan of the books and really enjoy the show as well. The people who complain and get no enjoyment out of one of the best shows on tv right now are just sad. The entire crew at westeros comes to mind. I appreciate the work they’ve done on the website, but they have ZERO clue on how to run, produce, direct, etc. a show on television. I would love to see their attempt on making anything as awesome as D&D have done. End rant.

  23. WompWomp
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    Thanks. I don’t think it’s my connection, as other sites load normally, even those that are arguably more demanding.

    Jens,

    I loved that Brienne was the one to name it in the show. It made more sense for her to honor Jaime in that moment. We all know her nature. It’s Jaime who needs to learn more about his own alignment. It was even more poignant than her calling him Ser Jaime in S3.

  24. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Also having issues with loading times.

    Is that reviewers name really McNutt? That’s rough.

  25. John M W
    Posted April 28, 2014 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    This bears posting again, since so many still seem to be insisting that this episode “forgot” about the sept scene:

    HBO: Game of Thrones: Interview With Bryan Cogman

    The scene with Cersei and Jaime was a challenge. Of course, the undercurrent of the scene is what happened in the sept, even though it’s not explicitly discussed. It ends up being a real blowup as to where each of their loyalties lie, and of course, Tyrion is at center of it.

  26. Asa
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Meh, I’ve lost a ton of respect for Elio and Linda of westeros.org over the years. They make Trekkies and Warsies look reasonable.

  27. Jens
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I wholeheartedly agree. Gwendolyne Christie is absolutely killing it, and she absolutely nailed this scene when she named the sword. As a book reader I was wondering why Jaime didn’t name his sword earlier, and now I understand why the writers saved this for Brienne. Brilliant!

    “SWORD!”

  28. Jack
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Elio is such a loser.

  29. House Nieder
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    I really don’t like the view that any episode without dragons or something crazy is filler or an episode where not much happens. Actually, a lot goes on in every episode. Maybe if people paid more attention to what is being said at all times.

  30. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    Myles? At least his parents had the foresight to not name him after his esteemed ancestor Lord Richard McNutt, Master of Creamsworth Castle, the ruling seat of the Milk Drinkers of Manhold.

    Jens,

    It was perfectly played. Could not have asked for more… other than Jaime giving Brienne a damn helmet to go with that beautiful set of plate. [laughs]

    TECHNICAL ISSUE: I’m on an iPhone 5, iOS7, Chrome app browser. The sliver of a banner add for Hulu is obscuring the comment box as I type. Not completely, but it’s running straight through the entry field. Just letting those in touch with such matters know.

  31. Arthur
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    I’m kind of sick of critics labeling every episode where a main character didn’t die or we didn’t get some huge battle sequence as a “filler episode”.

    What do they expect? Every episode to have POV characters getting killed or a Blackwater event?

    It seems they aren’t aware of good TV series scripting 101.

    It’s all about foreplay and payoffs and you can’t have a huge powerful payoff without building up to it. That takes dialog and character building, which according to them is boring “filler stuff”.

    Is GoT the new Payton Manning? That dude has to throw for 400yds and 5TDs every game or his critics come out to dog him. So in comparison GoT needs to have some emotionally devastating event or some huge epic battle sequence or the critics will just yawn and call it a filler episode.

    What gives?

  32. WildSeed
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Enfield,

    I believe Alan Sepinwall is UnSullied, but I understand your point, overall. However, I read Elio’s review, my thoughts differ from yours, with respect to the ” keeping score ” agenda ( I also do not make a point of reading his reviews, btw ). His perceptions are from that of a reader with a well vested interest in the story. I cannot say that of the other journalists / entertainment reviewers, whom likely cover a broad array of other media works. Elio’s review was a bit long and focused on every detail….. details that noted viewers with foreknowledge relate to. I read it in part due to the reaction here, and somewhat prejudiced in looking for a tedious letter of complaint of every aspect of the episode. Lengthy yes, bad critique, no. There were several kudos to the production, in fact. I’m not so familiar with Linda’s reviews, having read one and decided she’s just too biased to report on anything with any merit.

  33. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    Somewhat off-topic: It’s getting tough to read the Unsullied threads on ‘previously.tv'(formerly twop). It seems like they hate 75 percent of the show now. They are coming down hard on the whole Littlefinger/QOT poisoning plot. They don’t think any of it makes sense, specifically the use of the necklace. It used to be fun to read their thoughts. There used to be more enthusiasm for the show. Hopefully the second half of the season will renew some of their passion for the show. Otherwise, I think I may forgo reading the forum.

  34. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    House Nieder,

    Maybe they’re applying Dothraki-inspired standards to their watching. If there aren’t three named bodies on the floor by episode’s end, the show was just dicking around.

  35. WildSeed
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    There is the perception that in order to get people to pay attention to their posts, and in turn spark viewership for them to write about, much is sensationalized or hyped about. When the episode is paced well, logically, whether Wights or swords appear, several of these critics decry the episode droll. Not so with with true fans !

    Although the local San Francisco Chronicle covers the season with a review each week, I skip it. It’s wholly unbalanced and written by someone whose seen way too many Transformer movies. Game of Thrones didn’t even show up on their list of top ten Cable shows. Fagetaboutit ! Fortunately, there are several balanced reviewers among the bunch.

  36. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    While I largely agree, GoT has had weaker, less eventful episodes in the past. Also, without a traditional structure and a fragmented delivery of storylines, it’s easier to feel this way when there aren’t pay-offs after missing characters for a week or so.

    That said, the filler labels this week are ludicrous. There was so much purpose vested in nearly every scene, and the transitions were unusually perfect. I find GoT can succumb to some clumsy editing, likely because of the scale of the show and fragmented shooting schedules, but this week was smooth as butter for the lost part.

  37. Arthur
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I understand that but according to some of these critic’s logic, shows like Shameless, Ray Donovan, Homeland and Boardwalk Empire should then be labeled as 85% filler.

    Seems like they only demand huge events to happen in GoT, otherwise it was a boring episode but if they held that same standard to any other series they pretty much would all be filler episodes.

    I’m telling you GoT has become the Payton Manning of TV shows… If its not punching you in the gut or dazzling you with epic affects or sequences then in their opinion it failed.

  38. Enfield
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I usually avoid them as well, but occasionally I get an inexplicable urge to read up on what they are saying. You’re right in regards to him complimenting the crew, but he tries as hard as possible to avoid complimenting David Benioff and Dan Weiss. There is something that I’ve noticed when people who clearly value the books above the show where they try to somehow prove their loyalty by putting zero thought into some of their criticisms. For example, Elio Garcia spoke last season about the Talisa stabbing and essentially said it was added solely for shock value, without even considering that there might be some symbolic value to it as well. With the latest episode, he spends a portion of the review complaining about the various changes to the story, blaming the need for changes on the showrunners themselves as if ASOIAF lent itself cleanly to adaptation.

    Ironically, I think this was one of his more positive reviews. I haven’t read anything of Linda’s, but I’d say Elio has planted his flag firmly in the bias-towards-the-books camp. I don’t blame him for it; I might be the same if I had been a fan since 1996, but it is hard for me to read his reviews and expect anything worthwhile. There are plenty of book-reader reviewers who respect the complexity and artistry of the show without the condescension Garcia displays.

  39. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Milk drinkers of manhold….. Aka, the McNutts. Must be “salty” dornish. :/ I don’t even wanna entertain a sigil….
    Tweeting life stream direct to your Facebook! “So here’s what I thought of this episode”. Is there really a purpose for professional reviewers anymore? I mean, what the fuck is the Internet for anyway, if not for humanity to inform itself? And what the fuck is people juice?!!

  40. KG
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:14 am | Permalink

    Yep first review I go to.

    Zack:
    Laura Stone FTW

    I seriously love her take on everything. I wish she would do a video review too, though. With friends or colleagues at the website.

  41. KG
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    There was an NHL goalie named Ron Tugnutt. I bet he had a REAL bad time growing up.

    Is that reviewers name really McNutt?That’s rough.

  42. tdraicer
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:24 am | Permalink

    >there is so much negativity right now its sad

    I think from day 1 the show has pretty much been awesome, and much better than anyone had a right to expect. And I think the first four episodes of this season have been uniformly amazing (as do the six other people I’m friends with who which the show; all, unlike myself, unsullied, and four of them women). So as long as the ratings stay high enough for the show to conclude in 3 or 4 years, I’m quite happy for D&D to keep doing what they’ve been doing, and as for those who are unhappy…not my problem.

  43. John M W
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    tdraicer,

    I concur. :) The thing you always have to remember about negativity on the internet, is that while it’s always very loud – it’s usually never as widespread as it seems.

  44. Harry
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:32 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I so much agree I can’t even add anything!

  45. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    My god the previouslytv Unsullied board is just awful to read right now. In their defence though, the necklace plot was always convoluted. I am also sick of one particular UnSullied who just throws profanities at every whitewalker/fantasy scene. Though she always seemed less like her fellow unsullied who were more erudite in their criticism and speculations so it’s no surprise that her and other unsullied posts come off like Facebook or YouTube comments; that is completely kneejerk reactions.
    I think for some of them, the show is peaking. I hope the back 5 restores their faith but I’m skeptical.

  46. Myles McNutt
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:35 am | Permalink

    Sister Wrister:

    Is that reviewers name really McNutt?That’s rough.

    Honest to one true god, the Internet has found it far more fascinating than any kids I grew up with.

  47. Rickard Greyjoy
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    You’ve hit the nail on the head. Some can’t emcompess the repercussions of being bad. The whole fucking series asks us to draw the line between them. But no one is surely gray. We are all shades of black and white. The sooner we accept this is the sooner we accept the end of a song of ice and fire. Ice is not the end but the beginning. The White Walkers don’t represent death but the next stage of life! maybe Jaime Lannister, Brienne, etc are pursuing goals that may be ultimately perceived as evil? Nobody knows.
    I suspect the Starks will be aligned with the ‘Night King’ and etc and they shall actually be the great ‘good’. Which must be purged because humanity is the one that’s evil. In this case wouldn’t it be good that something survives against the fire?
    I just find in the way things are trending that it seems unlikely that Dany isn’t good or at least thinks she’s on the side of good
    but as I suspect.. Dany will face 3 betrayals.. However she won’t be the betrayer but use Hodor against the 3 main betrayers… mostly Rask if it’s going the way I’d think

  48. Ser Pounce
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    I got curious and watched the Elio Garcia review on youtube. The guy sounds like he works at a medieval theme park and that pony tail looks sexy as shit. In all seriousness though it took him about 45 minutes of talking about how he and his amazingly awkward british girlfriend pretty much know more about the story than any living person on earth. Then they talk about how horrible Lena and Natalie Dormer are as actors for 4 minutes. Then they said something about TV show writers and how immature their humor is on screen, and then the awkward girlfriend said something about steam coming out of her ears. I can’t believe these people even passed judgement on how a character would act when it seems like they don’t have any characteristics at all. I’ll just stick to Scmhoes Know and Jeremy Jahns for episode reviews from now on.

  49. mal
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:45 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce,

    you lost me at Schmoes Know

  50. Greenjones
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 4:01 am | Permalink

    Myles McNutt,

    I liked your review. I’m always starstruck when people of note drop by. Bryan Cogman drops by from time to time (though we may have scared him off).

  51. Kael of the Lake
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Enfield,
    Elio’s review was a bit long and focused on every detail….. details that noted viewers with foreknowledge relate to.

    I honestly went back and double checked it because the first time it seemed like there was nothing about the last episode. Well, I have to disagree with you because there’s no single word about E4 just an overall mudslinging and disappointment because of what D&D are doing to a one-of-a-kind, perfect book.

    It was more like an opportunity to throw a rotten tomato than a review.
    I’m going to triple check now.

  52. JamesL
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 5:13 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce,

    Elio’s “awkward British girlfriend” is actually Swedish.

  53. Ser Blount Sarkasm
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Yes, I’ve been having the same issue. Getting pretty annoying.

  54. OldeCrone
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    The British “Guardian” newspaper does a weekly review of the show which beside the review itself includes a “violence count”, “nudity count” and a “random Brit of the week count” – sometimes the comments are quite witty. Although initially seeming superfluous in a show where many of the actors are British the “random Brit of the week” sub-heading may seem superfluous it can be interesting (for a Briton at least, I refuse to call myself a “Brit”). This is the link for the most recent review http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2014/apr/28/game-of-thrones-season-four-episode-four-oathkeeper
    I haven’t found the link here but the “nudity count” for one episode last year was something like “too much going on elsewhere for any of that nonsense”!

  55. Delta1212
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Falcon:
    Just skimming that excerpt from Elio’s review… ugh. UGH. UGH. UGH.

    One of my first thoughts after coming down from my post-episode high was “Elio is going to have an aneurysm.”

  56. Dheep'
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    It’s all about the Slposions. Ain’t Got no Splosions – whaddya Got? Boring.
    And that should answer your question as to why all of people call something…Boring…. They don’t see action ,they see Exposition and drama & Great Acting & they don’t Like it. Why ? No Idea !
    But remember – the greater Public are those millions of Morons you see Staring at their Phones wherever they go. They’d rather look at a 3″ screen than read a Book.

  57. Delta1212
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Dheep’,

    I walk around staring at the Kindle app on my phone.

  58. Carne
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Posted it too far down the last time, so here we go again; Neil Fingleton is Mag the Mighty. Holy hell he’s tall!

  59. The Wood of the Morning
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    I get why Elio is so guarding of the source material. Hes close to GRRM and the raw source material. We get it. But youd think that kind of status would come with more of a sense of professionalism when it comes to the reviews. Instead he just comes off as the king of the “i dont know when to put the books down” crowd. Hes less bombastic than a rabbling book purist you read on a comment section, but the petulance, arrogance and uber nitpicking remain. The way he condescendingly insults D and D and other pros who are responsible for what is widely considered the best show on tv, is cringeworthy to say the least. The way he bashes an entire episode for the smallest of details that were either added, omitted, or changed is ridiculous. (“Ugghhh the red wedding didnt have grey wind snarling. ugghhh the music wasnt out of tune enough. snarling. The book had drum beats. Ughhh”) THis week he complained about jon and brans storyline being one false narrative on top of another…What?? Again, I gst that hes grrms right hanf now, but guess what? The majority of viewers havent read the books SO THEY’RE NOT FALSE NARRATIVES. Not to mention that, for someone who works closely with grrm a lot, he seems to forgdt that grrm has said multiple times that the show is its own thing, and that it will be different. Again, as others have said, its noy his opinions that are Maddening, its his lack of respect for the showrunners, the show, and its production; along with his smarmy attitude and seemingly baseless critiques for someone whose supposed to be the god of asoiaf fans.

  60. Rygar
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    KG:
    There was an NHL goalie named Ron Tugnutt.I bet he had a REAL bad time growing up.

    Save Tugnutt! I like like you now.

  61. Valaquen
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    The Wood of the Morning,

    He’s too close to the source material, he’s unable to separate the two and treat it as an adaptation. He also seems to sneak in little digs towards D&D, even when they’re not solely involved in a particular scene. He comes off as haughty, perhaps a little jealous? Maybe he’s unaware of his prejudice, for lack of a better word. I’ve seen some of Linda’s opinions and arguments… Maddening.

    My favourite reviewer continues to be Greenwald, he’s got his head on straight.

  62. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    The Wood of the Morning,

    Well put. I think we’re all aware of his position, but the way he addresses David and Dan at arm’s length sums up his position pretty well. He qualifies any qualms he has with Cogman’s writing as some nefarious trickle-down effect infecting the output of an otherwise faithful servant of the Purest Light. It just struck me as gratingly passive-aggressive and unprofessional, despite his role in ASOIAF’s coordination.

    Of course, no one is forcing me to read his reviews, and I won’t from now on. Clicking on it yesterday was an exception, not the norm. I’m sure what he does is considered a service to some, but I would dread sharing in their position.

    Dude, I love your username.

  63. Ser Pounce
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Oh my I really thought Elio’s girlfriend was British for a moment, my apologies to the Brits on this Forum. I correct myself by saying Elio’s awkward girlfriend is in fact Swedish or Swede.

  64. Delta1212
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    On his imdb page it says he’s Mag the Mighty in the upcoming Game of Thrones videogame.

    Not a 100% reliable source for anything not released, but still. Could be both, of course.

  65. MarkM
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Elio’s “review” should not be posted because it’s more or less the same. Disdain for anything D&D does.

  66. YesThisIsMyName
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    The show has to add something to Brans story. Otherwise we would finish his ADWD arc this season and that would through the timelines totally out of wack

  67. Leo
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Oathkeeper also refers to the pact made between the Last Hero and the Others for peace y/n/maybe – I’m totally addicted to that Reddit theory.

  68. YesThisIsMyName
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Btw rotten tomatoes now keeps track of GOT episodes.
    I didn’t know that: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tv_editorial/news/1929961/game_of_thrones_season_4_episode_4/

    S4E1 – 97% (32 Fresh 1 Rotten)
    S4E2 – 100% (34 Fresh 0 Rotten)
    S4E3 – 95% (35 Fresh 2 Rotten)
    S4E4 – 96% (25 Fresh 1 Rotten)

    Didn’t realize just how amazing the reviews were till I saw this

  69. Carne
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    I think whoever added him to the Game of Thrones game page mistook it for the show.

  70. cosca
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think part of the problem is that their leader Stillshimpy, pretty much hates everything that isn’t in King’s Landing, and she generally dominates discussion. And yeah, their hate for the necklace plot is ridiculously overblown. I don’t think I’ll be going over there any more. Good thing that there’s other unsullied who still have great enthusiasm for the show.

  71. YesThisIsMyName
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    cosca:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think part of the problem is that their leader Stillshimpy, pretty much hates everything that isn’t in King’s Landing, and she generally dominates discussion. And yeah, their hate for the necklace plot is ridiculously overblown. I don’t think I’ll be going over there any more. Good thing that there’s other unsullied who still have great enthusiasm for the show.

    But its so simple. It was a way for LF to deliver the poison to Olenna without Olenna leaving any kind of paper trail. She can’t exactly go to the maesters and ask for poison. And he plants it on the most passive person there and delivers it to her through the drunk fool no one cares about.

  72. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    cosca,

    I don’t tread there, but if that is the case, someone’s ego sounds well-fed. Some people love shepherding a small slice of the fandom using their opinions as both crook and cane.

    If it’s actually that bad over there, would inviting them to WiC.net’s Unsullied threads be an improvement? I don’t really frequent those either.

  73. Patchface
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    NEW prequel novella coming up in June! No, it’s not Dunk&Egg, it’s a new novella that takes place before the events of The princess and the queen.
    Now Game of Thrones will get another prequel, and this time it will tell the story that comes before all of that. Called The Rogue Prince, or, the King’s Brother, the story will go into the life of Viserys’ brother, Prince Daemon.
    Like The Princess and the Queen, this story will be part of a collection with other writers. It will be the last in the Rogue collection, which will include short stories from Scott Lynch, Connie Willis and many more. It is currently available for pre-order, but will officially be released on June 17, 2014.
    http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/game-of-thrones-to-get-another-prequel/

  74. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Enfield,

    I believe Alan Sepinwall is UnSullied, but I understand your point, overall.However, I read Elio’s review, my thoughts differ from yours, with respect to the ” keeping score ” agenda ( I also do not make a point of reading his reviews, btw ). His perceptions are from that of a readerwith a well vested interest in the story. I cannot say that of the other journalists / entertainment reviewers, whom likely cover a broad array of other media works. Elio’s review was a bit long and focused on every detail….. details that noted viewers with foreknowledge relate to. I read it in part due to the reaction here, and somewhat prejudiced in looking for a tedious letter of complaint of every aspect of the episode. Lengthy yes, bad critique, no. There were several kudos to the production, in fact.I’m not so familiar with Linda’s reviews, having read one and decided she’s just too biased to report on anything with any merit.

    After all the hate and anger that is poured in this site towards westeros.org I decided to check the review because the last episode left me not as satisfied as everyone here and I have to say that I quite agree with Elio’s review, especially with this part:

    ” After all, the show merely builds a false narrative on top of another false narrative, namely that Mance Rayder—a former member of the Night’s Watch—is even for a moment fooled about the strength of the Watch, so the mutineers are genuinely meaningless. ”

    and

    “But actual wildlings are dangerous, and not liable to think well on strangers from south of the Wall, so why would they think Bran would seek them out? It makes no sense at all, but that’s how we arrive at Jon using the falsest sort of logic to determine that Bran would actually look for wildlings in his mysterious journey, giving him yet more reason to want to get to Craster’s Keep as soon as possible… and giving Locke, who overhears it, reason to join him.”

    and the conclusion that

    “You can see the artifice of it so plainly, and that detracts heavily from appreciation of this turn. It’s mandated by an obvious need to try and keep Jon’s story dramatic in some fashion” And I would add the need to strech Bran’s arc too.

    But there’s a lot of praise to the show too. And no outrage or nothing of he sort for the last scene, wich he labels as a “minor spoiler”, because it confirms the theories from the books…

  75. Bex
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    It’s harder for me to make the actual posts! I have to back them up because WP will time out and delete my progress. Blerg.

  76. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    MarkM:
    Elio’s “review” should not be posted because it’s more or less the same. Disdain for anything D&D does.

    It’s funny that I have to defend Elio, because I don’t particulary like the guy, but this kind of post unnerves me…have you read the review?? It didn’t strike me as “disdainfull for anything D&D do”
    It seems that he liked this episode the least, so probably the other reviews have more praise than this one (I haven’t read them tbh), but here are some excerpts of it…does this sound as disdain to all they do?? ffs…

    “Some of these decisions have been inspired, leading to fantastic moments such as Theon Greyjoy’s burning letter or his beheading of Ser Rodrik Cassel in the 2nd season.”

    “But lets focus on the good, first. Although the resolution of the Meereen storyline is much speedier than in the novel—almost certainly for reasons of time and budget—the way it’s been changed works well. ”

    ” The visual effects continue to sell the enormity of Meereen’s pyramids, and of the size of the city itself as we see Daenerys’s men sneak in to arrive in time for a debate among slaves regarding whether they should revolt. ”

    “This change from the novel, with Grey Worm leading the infiltration, and with a much less direct aim, actually works very well as it foregrounds the slaves first and foremost. ”

    “The only shame of it all is that this is likely the last we’ll see of Gwendoline Christie and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau together on the screen, after having proved such an engaging pairing last season. As to the neat way in which Podrick is foisted on to Brienne, it works very well with the altered timeline of the show, where Jaime can take a direct hand in Podrick’s future on behalf of his brother.”

    “We see from the Jaime and Cersei scene (which features one particularly beautifully composed image showing the gulf between the two, courtesy of director Michelle MacLaren and director of photography Rob McLachlan) that the queen is certainly not letting go of her hatred of her brother or, indeed, of Sansa.”

    “The Sansa and Littlefinger scene works reasonably well, although I still consider unfortunate the way Gillan has chosen to deliver Littlefinger’s lines. But the writing? The writing’s quite good, as Littlefinger leads Sansa through the process of figuring out some of the details of Joffrey’s murder, and Littlefinger’s own role in it. The final line of the scene is an excellent segue, playing on the Tyrell motto as we shift to the culprit and her grand-daughter…”

    “We’ve praised the way Castle Black and the Watch has been presented, and nothing really changes here as far as that goes. Indeed, with the change of time line and Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt both present, it allows for an interesting development as Slynt nudges Thorne about getting Jon Snow out of the way before the election of the new Lord Commander.”

    ” However well-shot and well-written—and well-acted, as Gorman’s performance certainly works well, as does Luke Barnes as the mean but weak-willed Rast—there will be those who focus on how misogynistic the visuals were, and think less of the producers for it. For my part, I don’t share that issue”

    “The CG here is exceptional for the most part, especially the dead horse, and it’s certainly an ominous reminder of the true danger beyond the Wall…”

    He mainly has an issue with the Bran/Jon storyline…if this is what he thinks about an episode he didn’t like, I don’t think I wanna do the exercise of copy-pasting all the praise that’s sure to be found in an episode he did like.

  77. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Bé dit, el meu amic.

    All perspectives are welcome.

    Bex,
    I identify with your situation completely. I wish the overlords would outline the changes they are making…or admit the bugs.

  78. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Bex,

    Et tu, Bex? Bleerrrrrg! No one is immune!

  79. Premislaus
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Wait, there were massive complaints about the episode? Must be book readers – thought r/asoiaf wasn’t overly negative either. I only read unsullied reviews and opinions these days, and they were all pretty positive, except for the Previously TV gang.

    As for them, I actually understand what they’re coming from as I think they raise a lot of valid points about the Joffrey assassination plot that ‘s kind of unnecessary convulsed in the books as well.

    But its so simple. It was a way for LF to deliver the poison to Olenna without Olenna leaving any kind of paper trail. She can’t exactly go to the maesters and ask for poison. And he plants it on the most passive person there and delivers it to her through the drunk fool no one cares about

    They couldn’t use they vast resources to procure the poison in Reach, Free Cities, King’s Landing black market? Why would they need or trust Littlefinger?

    BTW, if anyone haven’t heard of the, Dino and Byron youtube unsullied reviews are really good, and there was a shootout to the wic.net in the latest one!

  80. YesThisIsMyName
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    I actually kinda agree with Elio that the bran/jon storyline does slightly reek of anime filler arc, lol

    But I will still enjoy it

  81. YesThisIsMyName
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Premislaus:
    Wait, there were massive complaints about the episode? Must be book readers. I only read unsullied reviews and opinions these days, and they were all pretty positive, except for the Previously TV gang.

    As for them, I actually understand what they’re coming from as I think they raise a lot of valid points about the Joffrey assassination plot that ‘s kind of unnecessary convulsed in the books as well.

    They couldn’t use they vast resources to procure the poison in Reach, Free Cities, King’s Landing black market? Why would they need or trust Littlefinger?

    BTW, if anyone haven’t heard of the, Dino and Byron youtube unsullied reviews are really good, and there was a shootout to the wic.net in the latest one!

    I think TV audiences are used to every question being answered. Its just how TV is. Because of the massive scale of the books, readers are more willing to let go and assume there are reasons and plots behind the scene that we will never know of. Also, book LF is way less overtly evil and sinister

  82. Heidegger
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/apr/29/game-of-thrones-racism-sexism-rape

    I really wonder how much racism, sexism, misogyny, rape, torture-and-murder-porn are you people willing to condone – even enjoy! – for the sake of flashy entertainment.

    Don’t you feel a pang of guilty conscience? Supporting a show overflowing with this vile stuff, just for the sake of plot twists and CGI dragons?

    I mean, after the rape of a woman by her brother over their dead son’s corpse – what’s next? This topped Red Wedding, obviously, a horribly ugly scene that seemed to revel in all the bloodletting. What will top this? Will Benioff and Weiss have the dragons rape Daenerys, perhaps? The way the show has been heading, I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s sinking to ever more disgusting and perverted depths. And all for the sake of your entertainment. Don’t you feel a bit guilty, promoting and supporting such ugliness just for the sake of your TV pleasure?

  83. cosca
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    But this week, in Oathkeeper, the showrunners went off-script again, in increasingly disturbing ways that once again included gratuitous rape, this time of Craster’s daughters by the mutinous members of the Night’s Watch.

    When I asked her about the rape scene in Oathkeeper, she said it was “particularly horrible. That scene wasn’t even in the book, and was so over the top.

    If we can’t trust the showrunners to reflect the spirit of the story any more, then what’s left?

    This article makes a pretty considerable mistake in it’s criticism. The Mutineers at Craster’s quite blatantly rape Craster’s wives in the books, it wasn’t off book at all. You’d think an established journalistic entity would do the slightest bit of research to back up it’s points.

  84. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    Nobody forces us to watch/read. I don’t like people telling me what I should do or how I should feel. Did this writer not watch season 1? Have they completely forgotten the Dothraki scenes? Drogo raping a crying Daenerys? Where were these columns then?

  85. KG
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    ^_^ hockey love worldwide!

    Rygar: Save Tugnutt!I like like you now.

  86. Bex
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    I would be in a vid with her any day of the week

    Premislaus,

    They did? Awesome! I will have to go back and watch. Getting recognition from the people we include is really cool.

  87. Falcon
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    Thanks, I needed a laugh

  88. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    You do realize that your alias/virtual paramour, Heidegger, is a hotly debated topic regarding “conscientious thought”, right? Even though he was a brilliant philosopher (“Being and Time” is an essential read), Heidegger was a passive supporter of the Nazi movement. In a way, he was a paradox…many of his ideas pursued the “essence of truth”, and yet his ideas were also used to fuel the fire behind anti-semitism in the 30s.

    I find your comments quite ignorant given the implicit paradox of many threads within this series and of the known paradox of the theories of the man behind your alias.

    Here is a timely and interesting article that you should read.

  89. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Myles McNutt,

    Now don’t I feel like an ass. My apologies, Ser. I grew up with a name that spawned many, many jokes at my expense growing up… But I guess that shit rolls off like the rain fter awhile. Now look at what I call myself!

    Despite the fact that I don’t understand your profession’s place in this brave new world, I can willingly admit that your review was pretty good, better than most. Keep doin what you’re doin!

  90. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Rickard Greyjoy,

    I suspect the Starks will be aligned with the ‘Night King’ and etc and they shall actually be the great ‘good’. Which must be purged because humanity is the one that’s evil.

    I implied this as well in a long comment regarding ethics and our perceptions on the Sullied Recap post. We don’t know for sure that that the WW are evil. We don’t know if Melisandre is evil, GRRM has refused to label her as good or evil. He only ever talks about his characters’ agendas for the most part.

  91. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    You can see the artifice of it so plainly

    If you’re a book reader, you can see the artifice of it very plainly…I don’t know about the unsullied though.

  92. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    I replied to you on another post as well but you seem to be pushing your opinion everywhere. The author of that article assumes some things about the showrunners for which there is no evidence, to wit their intentions are bad. And intentions matter. Besides the fact that they outright say they intend to tell the story and character development as ugly and not to titillate for its own sake, there are other good reasons for such things. Sometimes showing ugly things serves to educate us…to remind us of what has happened and could happen again. Do you stand outside the Holocaust museum and tell people they should be ashamed to go in and look at the horrific pictures and stories? Would you tell producers not to fund explicit stories about slavery as it existed in the US not all that long ago? It’s one thing to write about rape, violence and debauchery and display it for the purposes of telling a story that illustrates what is wrong and right with human beings–which is the core of what every author in the history of the world has ever written about. It’s another thing to titillate for the purposes of profit like Playboy magazine. One is great art, the other is smut. You apparently cannot distinguish between the two and that’s okay. But it’s on you, not us.

    While I respect her opinion and decision not to watch the show any more, she/you don’t have the right to tell us that we should not watch it or tell us to feel ashamed. I get to decide what I feel ashamed about, not you or anyone else. By telling other people what they should think and feel, you are taking away their agency and in so doing are using as a weapon the very thing you are protesting against. Good luck with that.

  93. cosca
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Falcon,

    You just don’t get it man. D&D are the incompetent evil overlords ruining the show. Bryan Cogman and George RR Martin are the shining white knights opposing their tyranny at every turn, but in vain. The cast and crew toil day and night, doing their best to stay faithful to GRRM’s vision, but their good work is obliterated by a couple of jumped up hollywood hacks, as they desecrate the sacred tomes with reckless abandon.

    Praise Elio, and his tireless efforts to bring this horrific injustice to light.

  94. Cumsprite
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    OK, you are in a safe place. No one can hurt you here. I want you to take this doll and point to where the Bad Show-Watcher touched you.

  95. KG
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

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