Inside the Episode: Oathkeeper
By Lightbringer on in Media.

In this week’s Inside the Episode David and Dan take us behind the scenes of “Oathkeeper” for a closer look at Jaime’s relationship with his brother Tyrion and his inability to protect him, as well as Littlefinger’s conversation with Sansa that was filled with an unusual amount of truth. They also discuss their choice to delve deeper into the world of the White Walkers while still preserving the mystery.

We’re also treated to some bonus videos from the episode.

George R.R. Martin talks about Littlefinger’s involvement in King Joffrey’s death and the deliberate distance he put between himself and King’s Landing:

Emilia Clarke and Ian McElhinney talk about Daenerys’ choice of justice over mercy:


59 Comments

  1. jentario
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Long live King Yogurtface the White Walker!

  2. wizardeyes
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Mag the Mighty confirmed –

    http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/M147579.html

    Being played by the ‘tallest man in Britain’. 7 foot 7 !!! He would make the bloke that plays the Mountain look tiny!

  3. Ser Pounce
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    I didn’t even watch the excerpt eheh

  4. Rygar
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    I must admit the shot of Dany overlooking Meereen with the Targ flag on the Harpy was OK.

  5. Ser Davos Seaworth
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    i have a small gripe about dany taking meereen, why would the valyrian/ghiscari speaking slaves write ‘kill the masters’ in ENGLISH? it really ruined my immersion, it would have been 100,000,000,000x better if it was written in valyrian/ghiscari (or what ever they speak) and the master who they kill reads it aloud and we can read the subtitles.

  6. Laurentius
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Ser Davos Seaworth:
    i have a small gripe about dany taking meereen, why would the valyrian/ghiscari speaking slaves write ‘kill the masters’ in ENGLISH? it really ruined my immersion, it would have been 100,000,000,000x better if it was written in valyrian/ghiscari (or what ever they speak) and the master who they kill reads it aloud and we can read the subtitles.

    I’m pretty sure Banksy was behind that one.

  7. Zeus
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Yes, with the music and the screaming it clearly portends Dany’s descent into Targaeryan madness.

    Rygar:
    I must admit the shot of Dany overlooking Meereen with the Targ flag on the Harpy was OK.

  8. blackfish
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    the white walker bit “was suggested in the books”??? I loved the last scene of ep 4 because I presumed this was insider knowledge that they had or something. This kinda puts a damper on things.

  9. Sam
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Aw, poor Jaime, he can’t “be with Cersei in the way he used to,” he’s reduced to raping her, you gotta feel for the guy. Are they nuts? This is some nerdbro type shit, for real.

  10. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Sam:
    Aw, poor Jaime, he can’t “be with Cersei in the way he used to,” he’s reduced to raping her, you gotta feel for the guy. Are they nuts? This is some nerdbro type shit, for real.

    Yeah, I definitely get the impression that this was recorded before last Sunday.

  11. Leo
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Who is Lisa Arryn, GRRM?

  12. jentario
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    blackfish,

    Just the baby thing was implied (and even that was far from confirmed). King Yogurt was indeed a scoop.

    Zeus,

    For fuck’s sake, not here too

  13. Mormegil
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    blackfish:
    the white walker bit “was suggested in the books”??? I loved the last scene of ep 4 because I presumed this was insider knowledge that they had or something. This kinda puts a damper on things.

    In the books Crasters wives believed the WW were the boys that he left out in the Snow, calling them Craster’s Sons but people believe a lot of strange things that may well not be true.

    It’s pretty clear D+D would have run this scene past GRRM (in case Craster’s wives belief was wrong) though so there is insider knowledge involved

  14. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor: Yeah, I definitely get the impression that this was recorded before last Sunday.

    That’s the most charitable view you can take of it. “He’s giving up Cersei…he can’t be with her because she keeps rejecting him…”

    Right. Except for the part where he rapes her, y’know, when he overpowers her rejection. What a poor guy. Jeebus. The more time goes on, the more I think we’re going to see something in Season 5 that retroactively apologizes for all of this. Maybe Cersei overpowers Taena Merrywether in the same way and thus becomes the abuser, or something. I don’t know.

  15. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    blackfish:
    the white walker bit “was suggested in the books”??? I loved the last scene of ep 4 because I presumed this was insider knowledge that they had or something. This kinda puts a damper on things.

    D was saying that it was suggested Craster’s wives gave birth to more children after Craster died. I don’t recall it, but it’s not much of a big deal – it’s entirely plausible a couple were pregnant when he’s killed. I still think the ‘insider knowledge’ holds for the very VERY end.

  16. Patchface
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    NEW prequel novella coming up in June! No, it’s not Dunk&Egg, it’s a new novella that takes place before the events of The princess and the queen.
    Now Game of Thrones will get another prequel, and this time it will tell the story that comes before all of that. Called The Rogue Prince, or, the King’s Brother, the story will go into the life of Viserys’ brother, Prince Daemon.
    Like The Princess and the Queen, this story will be part of a collection with other writers. It will be the last in the Rogue collection, which will include short stories from Scott Lynch, Connie Willis and many more. It is currently available for pre-order, but will officially be released on June 17, 2014.
    http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/game-of-thrones-to-get-another-prequel/

  17. blackfish
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Ahhh thanks, I hope so :)

  18. Tori Targaryen
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Zeus:
    Yes, with the music and the screaming it clearly portends Dany’s descent into Targaeryan madness.

    LOL It’s nothing to do with her descending into madness. A lot of people like to throw that around. Just because she has made mistakes, doesn’t make her mad. GRRM would never be so clichéd, so typical to have Dany descend to madness ‘like other Targaryens’.

  19. Thoros of Brooklyn
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Ser Davos Seaworth:
    i have a small gripe about dany taking meereen, why would the valyrian/ghiscari speaking slaves write ‘kill the masters’ in ENGLISH? it really ruined my immersion, it would have been 100,000,000,000x better if it was written in valyrian/ghiscari (or what ever they speak) and the master who they kill reads it aloud and we can read the subtitles.

    It was Grey Worm that wrote it. He said that exact sentence out loud in English at the beginning of the episode.

  20. queenofthorns
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Zeus: Yes, with the music and the screaming it clearly portends Dany’s descent into Targaeryan madness.

    Oh cmon, if everyone who did something cruel and vengeful was “mad” then Westeros is an insane asylum (Tyrion, Tywin – for sure, heck even Jon Snow was on vengeance road this episode).

  21. Fredo
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    The HBO viewer’s guide has a shot of the freed slaves of Meereen holding their broken collars up in the air. It’s the Essos version of all those dweebs at concerts holding up their iphones taking crappy video they’ll never watch again while obstructing the view of the live event happening in front of their eyeballs.

  22. Fredo
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Thoros of Brooklyn,

    Missandei really is teacher good.

  23. trarecar
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    The whole time the WW had the baby I was thinking, ‘That baby would have frozen to death already, or at the very least crying because it’s freezing!’. THAT is what took away the awesomeness of what was happening for me.

  24. David The Grey
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Great videos. That white walker scene still scares the heck out of me. The poor wee baby!

    I always enjoy hearing the producers, actors, or even GRRM, talking about the show.

  25. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    David The Grey,

    …the wee baby Seamus?

  26. Daniellica
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    The writing on the wall in Meereen is in English (or the Common Tongue, if you like) for cinematic purposes–impact of instant recognition. We see the Master walking; we see the message scrawled (in blood?) on the wall, and both Master and audience instantly know what it means. There would be a very different pace of emotional impact if we see the Master, see something scrawled on the wall we can’t understand, see his consternation/fury, and only then does he translate it for us, “Kill the masters,” which we’ve already heard a number of times at this point within a short amount of time. Likewise, throwing up subtitles for written text is more awkward for an audience than subtitles for spoken dialogue.

    Yes, Greyworm could have written it, or a lettered slave like Missandei inside Meereen, as I can only imagine the words were written for the Masters to read–most slaves are forbidden from learning to read/write. But the most basic explanation from a practical standpoint is that it is not written in High Valyrian because the audience cannot read High Valyrian, and the dramatic suspense of the scene depends on our encounter in the alley from the Master’s POV.

    Is this not just basic common sense?

    About the babecicle, no–of course a newborn would not survive any length of time exposed to the elements, especially THOSE elements, but White Walkers are foreign and magical beings whose rules and powers and capabilities are almost entirely unknown to us, so I will not assume “there’s no way it could survive.” WTF do I know what is or is not possible when it comes to these creatures? If I am willing to suspend my disbelief far enough to accept the Others in the first place, I can accept that they know how to ensure their new “recruits” make it to their destination.

  27. Greenjones
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    This explains that video on instagram where they were filming him in the tunnel. There was a bit of forced perspective going on there, but it was clear he was way bigger than Ian Whyte.

  28. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Not to rehash this topic, but I do believe I was correct from the start that it was a terribly mishandled scene that did not get across what they were trying to. Lena Headey furthered my stance on the subject with these quotes:

    “This is a really tricky … anything I say I’m going to get slaughtered for … I came from this place of grieving and a need to feel connected and alive. This is the only other person she has ever trusted in the world and she’s shunned Jaime and he’s never stopped loving her. In that moment she’s embracing and rejecting of him in the same breath … its tricky man, we could go into for a long time… it’s a real fucker of a situation.”

    As for filming the scene, she reveals: “It’s a very complicated moment, for many reasons … it becomes very messy. There’s lust and desperation and a need to feel something other than this searing empty loss. So that’s where I came from when we were filming; there was this need and it wasn’t right and yet it felt great and yet it wasn’t right, and it played out the way it did and I was really happy with it.”

    http://www.goldderby.com/news/6156/lena-headey-game-of-thrones-breaker-of-chains-tv-entertainment-news-13579086.html

  29. Heidegger
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Permalink
  30. Aldi_A
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    blackfish,

    “The boy’s brothers,” said the old woman on the left. “Craster’s sons. The white cold’s rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don’t lie. They’ll be here soon, the sons.”

    Here’s the quote

  31. Zeus
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns,

    Did you watch the same episode? Completely ominous music with horrible screaming in the background while Dany looks down in front of a facist looking banner. This also comes right after they make a point to show how she just dismisses wise council from Barristan. This clearly had a different tone to it than her earlier liberation scenes.

  32. GeekFurious
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Notice how no one mentioned “the rape” in the episode… you know, since it didn’t happen. Because someone screwed up in the editing of the scene and made it look rapey. Even more evidence they never considered it rape.

    And yet certain people will continue to pretend otherwise. Why? Shrug. I guess some people super really like to stick to their guns in the face of actual evidence. Like religious people. And FOX News viewers.

  33. zerowolf
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    For me the rape scene strongly echoed a scene in the film Once Upon A Time In America in which Noodles (Robert De Niro) rapes Deborah (Elizabeth McGovern) thereby destroying the thing he loves the most. This is not unknown in fiction and indeed in real life. The argument ‘ Jaime wouldn’t do that ! ‘ is invalid. His love for Cersei and his desire to be reunited with her was the only thing that sustained him through his months of captivity. He returned to King’s Landing to find only rejection. The thin line between love and hate became blurred, Jaime’s frustration, sexual and otherwise, overcame him. Not excusable but certainly understandable. Many returning POW’s have committed acts of domestic violence, almost acts of self-destruction. That is why he did what he did – it will be interesting to see what the ramifications are.

  34. Enfield
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    I guess I understand that some people are put off by ugliness, but that person is taking her own PC agenda, applying it to art, and then amping it up to 11. Of course rape is a problem in society, but that doesn’t mean it becomes the show’s responsibility to depict it a certain way. Art doesn’t need to justify itself by any code, other than what people will or will not pay to watch.

    Also, I have never understood the misogyny charge. I could name a dozen female characters in this show that are more complex and interesting than 90% of female characters on TV. Having some gratuitous sex (or violence, or sexual violence) doesn’t diminish those characters.

  35. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Thank you! I was going to say the same thing. Why are people so willing to suspend disbelief to be okay with zombies or warging or dragons, but babies surviving the cold while in the presence of a magical creature…no way, that’s a bridge too far.

    As for the text thing….Might as well ask why they speak English at all in the show. Westerosi isn’t English, is it? Do people think they should predominantly speak Westerosi and everything should be subtitled. It’s getting pretty silly in here lately.

  36. Greenjones
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger,

    Oh you’re here now. So I guess, though you plan on not watching the show anymore like this ridiculous opportunistic writer for the Guardian (hmm, a show getting more popular than ever, time to seek attention by pissing on it) you still feel the need to hang around.

  37. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    You wrote everything I thought. Thank you.

  38. Daniellica
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Heidegger: http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/apr/29/game-of-thrones-racism-sexism-rape
    Too much racism, sexism and misogyny.

    I can’t believe I read that tripe.

    I understand that different people have their particular triggers and/or sensitivities and/or things-they-absolutely-will-not-watch, but this is such a perfect example of someone viewing everything only through the limited lens of her particular cause celebre, expecting everything and everyone to fit into HOW-THINGS-SHOULD-BE-DONE-PERIOD.

    Fuck that.

    Blanketing something that makes you uncomfortable or violates your moral spectrum of what art is allowed to be in words such as “racist” and “misogynistic” is the absolute laziest way to offer criticism. It completely turns off anyone who defends the art and creates another seal against those who already want to think *everything* is about such things. It deadens our ability to have an actual, intelligent discussion about the issues.

    The world in which ASoIaF/GoT takes place IS misogynistic, and we watch repeatedly as female characters struggle against such a worldview. To say the show and books are misogynistic because the world of the story holds such views is both ignorant of art’s capacity to critique what it is representing and wholly condescending to its audience.

    Furthermore, naming the depiction of a rape scene as “gratuitous” suggests that the writer (Bran Cogman), director (Michelle McLaren), producers (D&D), exec-producer/writer/author/official seal-of-approval (GRRM) and HBO are attempting to titillate using an audio-visual expression of sexual violence, which I think is utterly ridiculous. How is it “gratuitous” to place a depiction of rape in the background of place/scene where rape would most definitely be occurring? Do people really think it’s meant to be exciting and sexy, or even purely shocking?

    I think it’s there because A) it would be happening, B) to reacquaint us with the monsters we left up north last season, C) to make the danger to Meera very real, D) to make the audience uncomfortable, disturbed, and reminded of the dark injustice that permeates this world (and, indeed, life in general).

    Again, I understand that viewing depictions of such things might be triggers for some people with trauma, etc., but one of the first things someone with trauma has to learn is how to avoid or cope with those triggers (speaking personally as well).

    People have every right not to watch such scenes. People have every right to be upset by them, and even to write blanketed, lazy opinions railing against things and persons who do not conform to their view of the world and what should be in it. But to dismiss other opinions and feelings about anything for such disagreement and adding to the polarization instead of the discussion is just so god damn aggravating to me that I can’t resist calling out those who do it.

    /end_rant :D

  39. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Dude – in a perverse way, this makes me feel better. Until now the one woman involved in the damned thing, we hadn’t even heard from. So if that’s how it was meant, that’s fine. I don’t see it that way and agree with you that it was either badly edited, or doesn’t enough show that she’s into him (again, if her closing words weren’t “It isn’t right” but something a bit more ambiguous, I’d be on board).

    So I’m going to chalk it up to a snafu, realize that this week’s scene sort of got at the undercurrent of things getting worse, and move on.

  40. Fire And Blood
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Best point of the day.

  41. clk
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Totally agree with you!

  42. wizardeyes
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Agree 100%

    I understand that the show isn’t for everyone but for someone who’s supposedly educated in television to write a piece basically saying “wah wah I’m offended wah”. Its just unprofessional and was terribly written. I can’t be bothered to discuss the Jaime/ Cersei scene any more but as for Crasters – what did she expect the mutineers to do to Craster’s wives? Tuck them into bed and bring them hot coco? These are the men who’ve just turned on their own leader and their NW brothers. The fact that she finds Mad Men sexist as well is absurd. When will people learn that showing a misogynistic society doesn’t = misogynistic/ sexist show. Do they seriously think that the showrunners and writers share those opinions? As if they were writing Karl’s lines like “Yeah this guy knows a thing or two. This guy has the right idea. Fuck them till they’re dead! That’s exactly what I would do in his position!”

    Urghhhh dear. Anyway the show doesn’t need her. Good riddence.

  43. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    I think you are holding back. You should open up more and express yourself. It doesn’t do anyone any good to bottle things up and let the pressure build.

    :)

  44. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Again, I understand that viewing depictions of such things might be triggers for some people with trauma, etc., but one of the first things someone with trauma has to learn is how to avoid or cope with those triggers (speaking personally as well).

    Speaking personally as well, many people learn how to cope and we don’t expect the world to change to accommodate our issues. One of things that triggers me is cigarette smoke. I didn’t go out and insist on a law to ban smoking in public places because of it. It happened anyway, for which I am glad. But the onus to cope was on me so I avoided bars and restaurants where it occurred…I avoided people who smoked…etc, etc. It’s my baggage, not everyone else’s.

    I’m sorry she feels that way and that it bothers her to that extreme degree. It’s sad and pitiable really. Once again you wrote what I was thinking (except much more better). :)

  45. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    She’s a veritable powder keg, that Daniellica!

  46. Daniellica
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: I think you are holding back. You should open up more and express yourself. It doesn’t do anyone any good to bottle things up and let the pressure build.

    Encourage me to shut up less at your own peril. :P

  47. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Never!

  48. Greenjones
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    You’re awesome.

  49. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Well stated. I agree with what you said, unless you’re a fan of the show Justified, in which case you needed to spell “god damn” as “GOT-daaamn” so it reminds me of Boyd Crowder. If you’re not, well, no harm.

  50. The Spider
    Posted April 29, 2014 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    This show has now become high level fan fiction or an alternate reality like DC Cómics Earth 2. Way too many changes everywhere a lot of them unnecessary with the original story being so good if they liked it so much why all the changes ? Talisa ,Alton Lannister , Locke , Bran at Crasters , no Strong Belwas , no Chain , Locke in the Nights Watch the list goes on and on excuse me whole i go hug my books quietly in a corner..

  51. beewulf
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    I’ll never read the words “Baby Changing Station” quite the same way again.

    David The Grey:
    Great videos.That white walker scene still scares the heck out of me.The poor wee baby!

    I always enjoy hearing the producers, actors, or even GRRM, talking about the show.

  52. A Golden Haired Baratheon
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Daniellica wins the internet for the day, twice!!

    Daniellica: I can’t believe I read that tripe.

    Daniellica:
    Is this not just basic common sense?

    /end_rant :D

  53. Tatters
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    The Spider,

    May i suggest common sense?
    I mean, i would like to see one day all these superfans make an asoiaf tv series. Its like, 500 hours, each episode at a different place, every 20th episode we see Tyrion, if we are lucky, Bran gets an episode every once a season.
    its like, Dragonball Z or Naruto. I used to have friends who watched that years ago, and those shows still hasnt had an ending.

  54. Morna the Witch
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Amen, Daniellica. It is interesting also how selective people are in what they choose to react to. Rape is called out again in the last episode, but we also see animal and child abuse happen in close proximity. I do not mean to trivialise rape, but Ghost going hungry and thirsty in a cage and a new-born baby being left out alone in the cold was just as disconcerting (which was no doubt the intended effect). An effective visual cue to display (show, not tell) a (male) character’s morality is to show how he treats others, especially those with less power, like women, children and animals. This can be done overtly or subtly. Does this mean that the writers or director condone this morality? No. That is also why we needed to see Theon tortured, because someone simply talking about how cruel Ramsey is (telling) while all the torture happens off screen wouldn’t have made his cruelty convincing.

  55. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    The Spider,

    Find a happy place, find a happy place! LOL

    I’m sorry you feel that way but many of us GOT and ASOIAF fans vehemently disagree. Adaptation is not the same as fanfic. They’re taking books which transmit first person, inside someone’s brain info and translating it into the third person only POV of film. Also, not every subplot in the books is awesome. Some are slow and plodding–which an author can get away with. In TV, no way that would work. Heck, even Oathkeeper was called “filler”….really? A lot of plot points were covered but nothing got blown up and no prolonged chase sequences so….filler! Can you imagine if the show spent the amount of time GRRM does on very mundane, detailed stuff?!?! Obviously I and many others think they’re doing a good job of a herculean task. I think you’re shorting yourself quite a bit to hamper your enjoyment of what is quickly becoming one of the best TV shows ever because it doesn’t match up exactly to the books.

  56. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Morna the Witch,

    while all the torture happens off screen wouldn’t have made his cruelty convincing.

    Nor would have Theon’s transformation into Reek be understandable to non-book readers. It was a bit of a stretch for me in the books too until I was pretty deep into Reek’s story that I finally understood. GOT doesn’t have that luxury, that basic understanding has to be created and done convincingly right away especially if that character and the change in that character will play an important role in plot points later on, which is every indication that Theon/Reek will.

  57. Eljuma
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    The Spider,

    In the future you could write just “whine, whine, whine” and convey the exact same information. It will save you typing time.

  58. Don Snow
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    Laurentius: I’m pretty sure Banksy was behind that one.

    Well played sir!

  59. VARGOAT
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    did benioff really say that the best thing about the episode was an actually scared baby… creepy!


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