Video Recap Roundup: Season 4, Episode 4 “Oathkeeper”
By Bex on in Recap.

Hello and welcome to this week’s video roundup! Several of the videos have moved categories because of the absence of commentators on panels this week.

Some reviewers noted the slow pace of Oathkeeper, but reviews were generally favorable for episode four of the fourth season. Daenerys as usual is a big hit, and discussion about Jaime in this episode was explored in every video.

Byron runs the discussion this week with Dino as they continue their Unsullied adventure through Season 4. Thanks for the WiCnet shoutout last week! (1:09:31) 

Commenter favorites on the What the Flick?!? panel discuss an episode they deem “building.” (44:06)

Unsullied/Show Watchers

Gay of Thrones experiences a reference overload with guest Brad Goreski (3:15)

Sandrine from HappyCool (sans Kenny) asks WHAT IS HAPPENING as she dons another Targaryen t-shirt. (7:56)
Were their predications about the murderers of Joffrey last week on the money?

Otaku Assemble finds this week boring considering the buildup from the forshadowing of last week (43:30)

This week at SourcefedNERD the discussion is solely by the Unsullied Steve and DJ, who pull from Twitter for their discussion (20:31)

Schmoesknow like this episode despite other criticisms because the scenes feel like a series of short films (8:46)

Book Readers:

His Fabulousness Axey gives a heads up for what to expect for the rest of the series on Episode 4 from last Friday  (4:53)

 

Combinations:

Nostalgia Chick notes that book readers might be feeling bitter this week and that some of this episode was cheap considering what happened last week  (14:07)

ThinkHero thought this episode was slow in a good way (20:21)

Total Film criticizes SER POUNCE, the nerve!  (17:41)

 

Winter is Coming Live:


Game of Thrones Season 4 Episode 4 Oathkeeper… by winteriscoming

 

That’s our collection of videos for you this week. Leave a comment so we can edit in any late entries that weren’t up by the time this post went live!


47 Comments

  1. Katsuragi
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!

  2. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Darnit! I wanted to have my video recap done by now but I moved this past weekend and my life has been in total chaos. Dagnabbit! I will post a link here as soon as I get it done. Sigh…..

    If you are not already aware of my recaps, you can see Videos for Ep 1, Ep 2, and Ep 3 on my blog site.

  3. Gene Alley
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/sean-bean-filmed-ned-starks-game-thrones-return-spoilers

    An inteesting article about how Ned Stark might appear in flashback.
    Basically Isaac said they’ve filmed a scene in the pilot and they might use it in the future.

  4. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    2nd paragraph…”Oathbreaker”….?

    Where is ComicBookGirl?

  5. Bex
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    She hadn’t put up a video by the time the post was published but I will keep a look out

  6. chamush
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Someone just commented under a different post that the actor playing Ilyn Payne might be recovering from cancer!

    Lets campaign to have him back for Season 5 !!!!

  7. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Bex,

    She’s probably still trying to pick up the pieces of her head after it exploded following the episode’s final minutes! Like many Sullied, she has been rendered speechless.

  8. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Haha same here.

  9. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    It’s nice to see the old gang back together in What the Flick. I was worried that they had been permanently replaced. There’s something about Cenk’s bombastic enthusiasm, Ben’s casual moderating, Anna’s honesty and John’s restrained book knowledge that make them so fun to watch and listen to.

  10. Maester Victor
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    chamush,

    It said he’s trying a new, experimental treatment.

    Also…. I love Byron in the first video! I love the banter with Dino…and let’s Dino think what he want since he will anyways, haha. Cute!

  11. spacechampion
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Is this listed in order from best reviewers to worst? Nice to see Dino & Byron “win” the Iron Throne this week, if so.

    If not, might be fun to do that in the future.

  12. Patchy Face
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Yay! You featured my two favorite review teams – Dino & Byron and Ben M. And full crew. I love how the What The Flick team renames all the characters I.e. Sonny the Direwolf and the mayot of Baltimore. Hahahahaha

  13. Enfield
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    What the Flick?! is great on everything except that Cenk and Ana keep calling Sansa the dumbest person on the show, despite evidence to the contrary. Other than that, they are the best and most entertaining reviews to watch.

  14. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Waiting for cbg19! The ign review with roth and the dude are pretty good!

  15. Turncloak
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    Sansa is one of the least favorite characters for the unsullied viewers. Atleast my unsullied friends really despise her. Probably carry over from her season 1 kings road episode

  16. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Hope the thoughts of her changes this season

  17. Tina
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    totally agree. Love What the Flick?!

  18. WompWomp
    Posted April 30, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    In all fairness, there’s less to love about her on the show so far compared to the books. Her perspective is richer in ASOIAF for the obvious reasons, and I don’t fault the show for the perception. It’s hard to justify a stronger focus on her development onscreen, not that it doesn’t exist already. It’s just beneath the notice of most viewers who already have a lot to material to keep track of and invest in.

  19. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    I posted before but it disappeared (guess it’s being moderated?).

    I like Larry Williams (Otaku Assemble) sometimes, and other times I find him really frustrating (usually when he gets angry and rants, and just doesn’t seem to be “getting” the show). This week was one of his weirdest reviews. He was highly disappointed, and rants about this being a boring episode where “nothing happens”. He also goes on and on about how certain scenes should have been in last week’s episode instead (seems pretty trivial to me, surprised he kept talking about it). Also, he thinks most of the scenes were filler, including Dany taking Meereen, and the Littlefinger/QOT murder reveal! Strange review.

  20. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    Enfield,

    She’s pretty divisive generally, I think. She pissed people off in the Kingsroad episode, and it’s been hard for people to like her since she hasn’t really done anything since then. I mean, I think some feel bad for her given her position, but victimhood isn’t really enough to make them like her as a character.

    As for evidence that she isn’t an idiot, I mean, she looked like an idiot in other scenes first season, and was pretty easy to manipulate in Season 3 by the Tyrells…there really isn’t much evidence that she’s gained intelligence at all, I can’t think of anything obvious that they are missing. I think her scene with Littlefinger in the last episode is one of the first times where she has openly exercised her mind in a way that shows just how non-idiotic she is.

  21. Henski
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    When I listen to the people on What The Flick I have to ask my self, do the people on this show even watch Game of Thrones? They don’t seem to know what is going on. It’s like their not watching the same show or their just not paying attention. I won’t be wasting my time watching them again. I’ll stick to watching Comicbookgirl19 and Emergency Awesome on youtube, because at least they’re paying attention to the show and know what the hell their talking about.

  22. Henski
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Comicbookgirl19 is Awesome.

  23. GG
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Does anyone else find Otaku Assemble to be kind of stupid? I think he’s one of the viewers who watches for the boobs & violence. He doesn’t seem to get the political stuff(or production realities, apparently).

  24. GG
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Henski,

    Lol Emergency Awesome has only read the wiki. He didn’t read the books. Watch some of his s4 preparatory videos and it’s painfully obvious.

  25. Tim (has read a book) Snow
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    Please…please stop letting non-bookreaders critique this show. Oh, and apparently Rickon is about to have a reunion with Jon Snow. Please…please let this end. I think suffering through the 15 minutes I allowed myself to watch gave me an instantaneous case of IBS. That, or it was the gyro. But I’m quite sure the unwatchable “reflection” of this week’s episode had a major part in my inability to not crap on my laptop. I want a new computer. Jenk and his cronies need to find a new network to destroy. Please…please don’t let it be winteriscoming.net, cause I usually think you guys are pretty great. Olberman/Hannity Argue Thrones! I’d watch that madness. Engage! P.S. At least make them read the books first.

  26. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    Love Byron and Dino!

  27. Felt Pelt
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Lex,
    That’s just how OtakuAssemble is. He is sometimes very off-putting, ranting for a long time about the same thing, explaining in a condescending voice very slowly that you can’t do what the show did or that he knows something, he knew it and he knows and if the show does this, he will lose all interest and maybe stop watching (as he did last year). Other times he’s right on the money and other times he seems sincerely happy and a smile washes across his face and you thought it’d never come.

  28. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen,
    WompWomp,
    Enfield,

    To be fair when I read the first book, I absolutely despised Sansa because she was so incredibly naive, selfish and lacking in agency. But as you proceed through the books one can see through her POV that she does become more discerning and understanding of what is really going on. Unfortunately for her, she is unable to act on any of that new understanding until Dontos and LF help her escape. In the show the lack of POV makes it so much worse.

    While watching the show and reading all of the opinions on the patriarchal nature of Westeros I’ve gained a deeper appreciation for Sansa’s predicament. Sansa is exactly who she was raised to be. Her lack of agency and dependence on the men around her is all she has ever known and all that she was told to ever expect. She adjusted to her situation in KL by becoming passive, accommodating and keeping her mouth shut. This is one of the few paths open to her in such a situation.*

    From our modern real-world viewpoint, such limitations seem ridiculous and completely unacceptable. Except Sansa doesn’t live in our world. It’s a very rare individual who can rise above their culturally imposed role in life. Many will point to Brienne and Arya saying ‘but they did it’. Yes, they did but they’re not the same as Sansa.

    Arya is not the firstborn daughter of a noble house. She is the fourth of six children in a noble house and the second daughter. Arya would have inherited nothing from House Stark and cannot carry on the family name. She might bring some honor to a lesser house should she marry BUT only because of who her father is.

    In medieval times daughters of that rank had very few choices. Become a nun, marry someone from a lesser house, or stay at home, become a spinster and care for the parents until they die. That’s it. So from a mental standpoint, Sansa’s and Arya’s life expectations were vastly different. Sansa expected to have power, influence, wealth, etc (albeit through her husband). Arya could not expect to have any of that–not even through her husband. Of course, Arya was more likely to rebel and seek something different than such a dreary outlook!

    In addition, from a practical standpoint what happened to them was different. Several incidents occurred that gave Arya the opportunity to choose a different path. Jon gave Arya a sword and raised the expectation that she would learn to use it. Ned gave her sword fighting lessons. Arya was much less supervised. Sansa had a personal guard in the form of her Septa–after all they cared about what Sansa got up to….Arya, not so much. When Ned died Arya was running around KL. A brother of the Night’s Watch just happened to be there and spirited her out of KL. Do we accuse Arya of having a lack of agency because a brother had to force her to accompany him out of KL? Sansa, on the other hand, had no fighting or physical skills at all–this would have de-feminized her and made her less desirable. No one cared if Arya was de-feminized. Sansa was held tightly in Joffrey’s custody (look at the scene in which Ned is executed, they are literally holding her there). Sansa had few, if any opportunities or assistance in escaping, and the ones she did have were with a disfigured and unknightly knight whose loyalty had been to Joffrey, the man she was most afraid of.

    What about Brienne? She was first born like Sansa and her expectations should have been the same as Sansa’s, right? Not really. Tarth was a much smaller house ruling only an island as opposed to the Starks who ruled the entire Northern region. Brienne was not beautiful, which would have changed her expectations and prospects. She was also uncommonly large and athletic. Sansa on the other hand was beautiful and graceful. Imagine being told your entire life that you’re beautiful and will make a fine Lady some day. If all your positive affirmation comes from that, then that’s what you focus on being. Brienne would have had no such affirmations (as we find out in the books and the show). Brienne’s father eventually caves to the reality of who his daughter wants to be and gives her armor and lessons in sword fighting. And Brienne has access to a master at arms for this training and he ends up mentoring her. Without that help, where would Brienne have ended up? A spinster caring for her parents or forced to marry someone and suffering in a loveless marriage.

    Ultimately, Sansa should be admired. As Sophie has said in interviews, she’s a survivor. She’s smart enough to act dumb and be quiet, to know that this is her only option, to stay under the radar particularly when under the thumb of an uncontrollable and all powerful sadistic teenage king. That’s much harder than it looks–much, much harder. IMHO, Cenk and Ana’s (and the Unsullied) judgement of Sansa is incredibly shallow and ultimately unfair. They are expecting her to be something she not only hasn’t had the opportunity to be but doesn’t have any role models or concept of how to be anyone else. They are expecting her to act like a woman raised in modern America instead of a girl raised in her position in a medieval world. And ironically enough, they are judging her from a very paternalistic viewpoint. As has been written about ad nauseum, a woman in a paternalistic society cannot win no matter what she does. If she’s too much like a man, she is wrong. If she’s too feminine, she is wrong. If she’s too free with her sexuality she’s a slut and men will want her but not give her any respect. If she’s too pure she’s a Madonna who will get respect but not be the object of anyone’s desire. None of this is natural or healthy. Sansa is caught in this ugly dichotomy. In the end, I feel sorry for her and I root for her to break free of all the chains–both metaphorical and literal that bind her. And I look forward to her journey, which I hope will be one of empowerment.

    *Heck, many modern women do this too. I’m an ardent feminist and I have worked in male dominated professions my entire life. For the sake of my career, I have had to be like Sansa more times than I can count. I cannot express to you how difficult this is. But I have something Sansa doesn’t–I have a portable skillset. I have an education. I have my own money (to a certain extent). I have a family and a subculture that supports me emotionally. I have always envisioned myself as a modern, independent woman. Sansa has none of these things.

  29. Kyrion
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    I stopped watching Otaku Assemble just because of this very reason^^^^^^^^

    Anyways, WTF/Cenk and company are awesome, my second favorite review. Love TYT aswell lol, but Dino and Byron hold the best review. Please promote these reviews aswell from book readers:

    James Johnsons Review
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oXLdgG8Ex4

    Aziz and Ashaya, History of Westors Podcast, Review

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuRT6FNGAP0

  30. lol
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Tim (has read a book) Snow,

    People like you are why I’m so happy the show is already moving past the books.

  31. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 2:16 pm | Permalink
  32. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    WHAT THE FLICK ORIGINAL BAND!! It felt good :)

  33. Salty Dornishman
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Thank you so much for this insightful comment about Sansa. I was so mad at her in the books for telling Cersi about Ned’s plans for getting the girls out of King’s Landing, but she was just being the proper betrothed – her loyalty was to the House into which she would have married. As her POV progressed, I understood that she was exactly who Ned & Cat expected her to be. Compare that to the upbringing Margarey Tyrell had, and one would see just how much expectation, upbringing, and female role models contributed to Sansa’s reactions (or, inactions)to the world around her.

  34. David The Grey
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Salty Dornishman: Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,
    Thank you so much for this insightful comment about Sansa.

    I second this about Mrs. D’s post.

    Thankfully not all of the female characters are just like Arya, or Dany, or Sansa for that matter. We get a nice variety of scenarios (upbringing, circumstances, personalities). The same goes for the male characters, actually.

    I wouldn’t change a thing, with the show or the books!

    And, to Lex and the others talking about Larry Williams this week – his is the first video review I seek out, and this week I stopped it after 2 minutes. I loved the episode, found it fast and not boring at all, so when he started into one of those “nothing changed from last episode” rants, I just closed it down. I’ll check back with him next week.

    Just a few more days ’til Sunday! :-)

  35. Lex
    Posted May 1, 2014 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    The worst part about Larry’s review this week was when he ranted about having to wait 2 weeks to find out Joffrey’s murder (or, approximately 90 minutes of show time). He said book readers don’t have to wait, so it’s BS that show watchers have to wait so long!

    Um… the books take 5 years to come out, and you often have to read thousands of pages before a mystery is revealed (if ever!). I couldn’t believe my ears, when he ranted about that!

  36. Sean C.
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Enfield:
    What the Flick?! is great on everything except that Cenk and Ana keep calling Sansa the dumbest person on the show, despite evidence to the contrary.

    The show spent all of season 3 painting her as an idiot, and cut pretty much all of the stuff she actually does (like participating in her own escape), so it’s not surprising that they think.

  37. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Enjoyed your post, and I think you are right on just about all counts. Sansa was raised to act in this way. And if she has gained any intelligence, she is in a situation in which she cannot exercise that or any level of agency, the way that Dany or Brienne can (I actually think that Arya’s agency isn’t much better; instead of being held captive by the Lannisters, she’s regularly held captive by other people, who decide where she is going to go and therefore control her storyline more than she does). I don’t think that Arya could have taken up the role that Sansa had to take in King’s Landing or survive, partly because Arya is kind of unable to take on the patriarchal role that she would need to fill in order to survive.

    I might need to re-read Sansa chapters to really appreciate how much intelligence she’s gained. Obviously she learns that Joffrey and Cersei were not the fairy-tale fantasies that she thought they were…but by the third books, she kinda falls for the same trick with Margaery. I remember in the books her accidentally thinking that she was going to marry Loras, before Olenna condescendingly correcting her. But she was basically able to convince herself that Olenna, Margaery, and Garlan were the characters in a new fairy tale for herself. So making the same mistake she made in the first book. Again, it’s been a while, but I feel like she is roughly as intelligent as she was beforehand and is essentially the same person she was in the first book.

    Sansa fans maneuver around numerous instances like the ones I listed above to say that she has in fact learned so much, and gone through a lot of compelling character development. I just don’t really see it. I don’t blame Sansa, I blame GRRM, for putting a major character in a situation in which they can’t exercise much agency in their story, and hasn’t writtenn much character development for her, instead having her repeat the same mistakes she made two books ago. I feel bad for her, and she is an interesting character, but I don’t think GRRM has given her a very compelling storyline or compelling character development, imo.

  38. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I get that they took some of Sansa’s agency by making her an unwitting tool of Littlefinger, but I don’t know how they lowered her intelligence this way. In the books, she does what she’s told to do by Dontos, and fails to see the danger in following this man. How was that exercising her intelligence? How was that smart? If anything, taking way the knowledge of the plan took away a moment that could conceivably be considered “idiotic.”

  39. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen,

    Don’t mention that to Sean. Sansa is the best character in the books and the show has reduced her to nothing more than a fly on the Wall to characters like Cersei,Tyrion, and Littlefinger. So in other words, she is exactly as she is in the books. For as bad as he thinks the show has made Sansa look, he never mentions that they cut the single worst/dumbest thing she did in the books from the show. That, of course, was telling Cersei of the plans Ned made to leave King’s Landing. Could you imagine how the unsullied would feel about her had they included that scene? But that’s somehow not as bad as making her naive about Loras and his sexual preference.

  40. mozzo
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    I would like to add JimsNerdNation I think he really get’s it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkSXxB5o38Q

  41. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen,

    I remember in the books her accidentally thinking that she was going to marry Loras, before Olenna condescendingly correcting her.

    Hmmm, I don’t remember it that way. I thought the Tyrells sincerely considered this as an option and proposed it to her that way. I need to re-read that section.

    I don’t think GRRM has given her a very compelling storyline or compelling character development, imo.

    I agree with this. However, in some fairness don’t we all know women like this (and men too, come to think of it)…the slow learners who make mistakes over and over and over again. It’s not that they aren’t IQ smart but they aren’t emotionally smart and that has a profound affect on their life choices in regards to relationships and who to trust. But once a person like this does learn the lesson, they really really get it. I’m hoping that Sansa will figure it out and finally shed that naivete. Otherwise, I will end up despising her because how many times will the universe have smacked her upside the head with the same lesson? In the end though, Sansa does represent a real type of person and we all know at least one in the real world (and they probably bug us all the same way Sansa does).

  42. Sean C.
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen:
    In the books, she does what she’s told to do by Dontos, and fails to see the danger in following this man. How was that exercising her intelligence? How was that smart? If anything, taking way the knowledge of the plan took away a moment that could conceivably be considered “idiotic.”

    Er, no. Sansa’s quite aware that working with Dontos is incredibly risky (hence, her backing out at one point in favour of a different option, among other things). But he’s the only person offering to do anything for her, so she chooses to risk it rather than stay where she is, given that where she is is hell on earth.

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Sansa is the best character in the books and the show has reduced her to nothing more than a fly on the Wall to characters like Cersei,Tyrion, and Littlefinger. So in other words, she is exactly as she is in the books.

    You weren’t reading her chapters very closely if that was all you thought she was. There is plenty going on in Sansa’s story in the books.

    For as bad as he thinks the show has made Sansa look, he never mentions that they cut the single worst/dumbest thing she did in the books from the show. That, of course, was telling Cersei of the plans Ned made to leave King’s Landing. Could you imagine how the unsullied would feel about her had they included that scene?

    I have mixed feelings about that removal. It was a big moment for Sansa’s story (and, really, the first of many instances where the writers changed her from actually doing something to just sitting around). Based on the reaction from much of the book readership, and GRRM’s own comments on the matter, it clearly wasn’t supposed to colour people’s perceptions to the extent that it did. We live in a world where Jaime can be ‘redeemed’ from trying to murder children by being angsty and whatever, but Sansa’s actions are deemed unforgiveable by many, a pretty severe double-standard. At the end of the day, there was a case for removing it (given the amount of sexist vitriol that even the show-only viewers continue to throw at her without it), but it’s a sad indicator of how female characters are held to much higher standards than male characters.

    Hodor Targaryen:
    But she was basically able to convince herself that Olenna, Margaery, and Garlan were the characters in a new fairy tale for herself. So making the same mistake she made in the first book. Again, it’s been a while, but I feel like she is roughly as intelligent as she was beforehand and is essentially the same person she was in the first book.

    That’s in no way true. She’s had some of the biggest personality changes of any character in the series. As the Tyrell incident, that did repeat some of the same issues, but, among other things, people should remember that Sansa’s reactions to that in book 3 are the actions of a viciously abused child hoping that she’s found friends. It’s a sad story, not an airy fantasy (or, as the show rendered it, a goddamn comedy). There’s a really astonishing lack of empathy in much of the fandom for Sansa’s situation, and serious victim-blaming for her inability to really alter her circumstances much (GRRM’s writing shows her doing many small things to try and survive and resist where she can).

  43. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    GRRM relies heavily on POV and the show doesn’t have that benefit. So the loss of that really blinds us to what is going on in Sansa’s head. So she will appear a lot dumber and different in several ways. In fact, quite a few characters, particularly the complicated ones, suffer from this too. Look at Jaime–he’s much less sympathetic without the POV. And Jon, I love book Jon but show Jon has done everything the same (except for the most recent episode) and he just doesn’t come across the same without that brain microscope.

    There are signs of life though. Sansa getting sassy with Tyrion, taking a risk by running with Dontos to someplace unknown, outright calling LF on his BS in the last episode, etc. I’m going to reserve judgement until I see what GRRM and D&D have in store for Sansa. Fingers crossed it includes more agency, because even if her story ends in tragedy, I’d always prefer someone go out with a bang instead of a whimper.

  44. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I agree concerning abused child/ empathy problem within fandom. I feel bad for her and don’t blame her for much of what she’s done or hasn’t done. BUT I think you’d be hard pressed to find an event in the book where she exercises her INTELLIGENCE that isn’t in the show, which was my more specific point, as well as saying that her storyline and character development isn’t too compelling. If anything, they’ve upped the sass in scenes with Septa, Shae and Tyrion.

  45. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    There’s a really astonishing lack of empathy in much of the fandom for Sansa’s situation, and serious victim-blaming for her inability to really alter her circumstances much (GRRM’s writing shows her doing many small things to try and survive and resist where she can).

    I think you’re absolutely right on this point. The double standard of what is forgivable for men and women on this show is pretty effed up. And the lack of empathy out there for Sansa is actually disturbing! I know Cenk’s professional background is as a liberal pundit and I’ve seen quite a lot of his videos and shows. I would have expected him to be able to empathize and recognize his own biased paternalistic thinking more than most people…but he seems to be completely blind to it. With all due respect to Cenk, his calling Sansa blind, oblivious and/or dumb is pot calling kettle black.

  46. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Salty Dornishman,

    Thanks for the positive feedback! Always appreciated.

  47. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 2, 2014 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    ComicBookGirl19′s OathKeeper review is up on YouTube! Much rejoicing by all! Good critique.


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