Season 4, Episode 5 – First of His Name – Open Chat
By WiC Staff on in Recap.

Tonight brings a new episode of Game of Thrones, along with the return of Lysa Arryn, a new King, and more action at Craster’s Keep. Discuss the fifth episode of Season 4 with fellow fans and look forward to our recap later tonight. Episode details are after the break.

Writers: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Director: Michelle MacLaren
Runtime: 54 minutes
Synopsis: Cersei and Tywin plot the Crown’s next move. Dany discusses future plans. Jon Snow embarks on a new mission.
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110 Comments

  1. cosca
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen

  2. Ted
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Hodor.

  3. house snow
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Tommen first of his name

  4. cosca
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    fleabottom

  5. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    cosca:
    fleabottom

    Screw that low altitude crap. I live in the Frostfangs!

  6. Jac Bergenson
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Just have to say it… the picture looks like Oberyn just smelled Cersei’s fart.

  7. Thaedys Targaryen
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait!

  8. Turncloak
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Jon will meet Bran and the Reeds in this episode

  9. The Lord of the Red Light
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Will we see Ricon and Osha in this episode? Does anyone know if we will see them at all in Season 4???

  10. Karl Tanner... Legend.
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait for my return. Straight outta Gin Alley, Here I F**king Come!!!

  11. Turncloak
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Oh and HBO GO works in Japan!!! Sweet :-)

  12. Michael Kehoe
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    The Lord of the Red Light:
    Will we see Ricon and Osha in this episode? Does anyone know if we will see them at all in Season 4???

    I really hope not. They have already broken away from the books too much IMO. In the books we have not seen them since they split up from Bran and the Reeds, and even that happened earlier in the books then it did on the TV show.

  13. Chickenduck
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    The Lord of the Red Light:
    Will we see Ricon and Osha in this episode? Does anyone know if we will see them at all in Season 4???

    Pretty sure no.

    There were no reports/sightings of them from set, although maybe they have a scene or two and have kept it secret.

  14. KayCee
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if we’ll ever see Gendry again.
    Has Joe Dempsie been seen on set last year?

  15. Brendan
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait to get lots of Rast and Karl tonight (raging sarcasm).

  16. The Lord of the Red Light
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    I thought I heard Osha actress in an interview say she was excited about the future of her character but did say exactly that she was in season 4. I would love it if anyone has heard anything. I am a Huge Stark Loyalist and I’m hoping Ricon is the Great Avenger of the Stark name and Brings order back to the North….

  17. Turncloak
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Brendan,

    Karl’s a legend. A FU**ING LEGEND

  18. WhoamI
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if this episode will take us all the way to the famous moon door exit??

  19. Synnerman
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    If the show only goes seven seasons (as the producers have suggested), the end of tonight’s episode will be the halfway point of the series (35 episodes out of a hypothetical 70).

  20. Patty
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    WhoamI,

    I doubt it, but that would be cool :)

  21. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m excited to see how they resolve the new Bran and Jon stuff.

    It looks from the preview that Cersei and Margaery’s feud starts for real tonight. That is going to be good.

    Lysafinger is obviously going to be fantastic television. That should be the highlight of the episode.

    Does anyone know if Stannis and Davos go to the Iron Bank tonight? Or is it next episode?

  22. Renly's Peach
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    WhoamI,

    Nah, can’t be so soon.

    That happens next week during “Mockingbird.”

  23. TheGriffonReborn
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Hey WhoamI, spoilers much?

  24. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Renly’s Peach,

    ‘Mockingbird’ is the 7th episode, and it better not happen then either. That scene should be in the finale.

  25. dom
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Am loving this season
    .its shocking how every episode is better than the last!

  26. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I’m excited to see how they resolve the new Bran and Jon stuff.

    Hodor, Summer and Ghost shall have no mercy!

  27. Turncloak
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    From the preview it looks like they’ll reveal Jon Aryn’s murderer this episode. I’d hope we get that reveal in the “only cat” episode whether it be episode 7 or 10

  28. TH3WICK3D1
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    I am on the fence about the bran/jon change, will reserve judgement until I have seen how they try to resolve it.
    But they better bloody keep CH!

    With the last scene of last week’s episode it will make viewers think CH has ulterior motives, it’d make for good drama I believe, until 3EC.


  29. Tryrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Hodor…. classic

  30. Gatorfisch
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    TH3WICK3D1,

    I agree! And, I personally cannot wait to see Lysa’s wedding dress…will it have breast feeding flaps?

  31. Geneva
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Ok, here’s a dumb question- how do I access the open chat? Is it just the comment thread here, or am I missing something?

  32. thisone
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK.

    Geneva:
    Ok, here’s a dumb question- how do I access the open chat? Is it just the comment thread here, or am I missing something?

    Yes, it’s just these comments.

  33. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    I’m not entirely sure why, but I’ve got this sneaking suspicion that (MAJOR SPOILERS) Jojen might not make it to the end of this season. I’m not saying he’ll die in this episode, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if he did.

  34. Addam of Hull
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    The only thing I absolutely hope we get to see tonight is Ghost tearing Rast to shreds. Preferrably with an assist by Summer.

  35. Brendan
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Karl is utterly useless.

  36. Interior Bannisters
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Brendan:
    Turncloak,

    Karl is utterly useless.

    Still more useful than Nimble Dick

  37. House Nieder
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    I feel like excitement for this episode isn’t as high as I expected it to be! It’s going to be insane. As we are now all unsullied, anything could happen at Craster’s! I’m stressing out.

  38. Turncloak
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Greg’s Anatomy has reviewed the contracts of 4 actors by 2 years. Not looking good for Kevin Mccid being on game of thrones if his show goes on forever

  39. Turncloak
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Looks like greys anatomy is getting reviewed for 2 more seasons. Not looking good for Kevin Mccid to join the game of thrones cast anytime soon

  40. Scott Glennon
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    I would like to know if I am the only one to notice the Kingsguard table in the white room. That thing is awesome! If it were in HBO shop, I would buy it! You can have your Iron Throne, I want that table! Okay, on with the show…

    The North Remembers.

  41. B
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    Ha! Perfect!

  42. B
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Dang it HBO GO! It’s 9:08 and I still can’t get on to watch!

  43. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Yeah….we will have Astapor and Yunkai politics!!!!!

    Not holding back with Little/LysaFinger! The screams, the screams!

  44. Our Blades Are Sharp
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    I think there’s some Wolf in Lady Lysa the way she’s howling…

  45. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    The Hound laughed! Classic scene.

    Go Pod!

    Finally, some good Jojen!

  46. HouseMartellBitches
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    SAND SNAKES!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. VictarionNeverSews
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Jojen’s Dream!

  48. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Hodor! Hodor! Hodor! Hodor! Hodor! Hodor! Hodor!

    Burn in hell, Karl! NW kickin’ ass!

    Ghost says hi to Rast.

  49. Our Blades Are Sharp
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Well there goes Locke

  50. cosca
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Our Blades Are Sharp,

    what a waste

  51. VictarionNeverSews
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    digging the craster’s keep stuff.

  52. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t seen the episode yet (it’s not airing for another 3.5 hours in Australia), but am I interpreting Twitter correctly in thinking that Hodor killed Locke? I don’t know whether the be disappointed or incredibly excited. Probably disappointed because that is so much wasted potential.

  53. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    And suddenly…we’re aligned with the books again!

  54. Our Blades Are Sharp
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    Aye, talked up how much of a badass he is just so Hodor could snap his neck

    Karl showed some moves until He ate Longclaw

    How bout next week!! Ironborn vs Lord Ramsay!!!!!!

  55. Josh
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    So what exactly is Cersei planning? She has to be planning something…She was too pleasant to Margery and too agreeable about marrying Loras. Or has she just given up, feeling she’s got no freedom?

  56. Patchy Face
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Well, that was pretty entertaining!

  57. redviper
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor (Bran) kills Locke…
    They get away before Jon sees them …
    Ghost kills Rast … reunites with Jon …
    New material resolved …
    Back on track …
    Perfect!!

  58. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Hated how they handled the Jon Arryn thing.

    And I usually hate the Wall storyline but I think this one’s saved the ep.

    Haha, I don’t wanna say this but totally worst episode this season. Diverging from the books was what saved it.

    And now I suppose today confirms that Ep 07 will be Only Cat, but I got the feeling Sansa will be the one doing the deed.

  59. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Best scene of the episode was Lysa bringing the full on crazy with Sansa.

    After this episode, it is all but certain we will be seeing Dorne and that will include some Sand Snakes!

    It was super obvious Bran would be warging Hodor from the previously on. Oh well. It’s what I figured would happen anyway.

  60. Lexyvil
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Now tonight was really awesome!

  61. Sansa Bird
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Alayne is a niece? Doesn’t that defeat the entire point? I honestly don’t understand why they’ve chosen to go this way, do D&D really believe their audience is this unintelligent to not look at Sophie with dyed hair, a character they’ve been watching since season 1?

    (Again with all the rape mentions. I’m getting seriously sick of them. The way the mutineers taunted and teased her potential abuse was gross and comes down to lazy writing, Meera’s character doesn’t deserve treatment like that.

    I also thought that Bran would have, at this point in his story and character development, chosen to gone with Jon and seemed oddly apathetic to leaving Craster’s.)

    Just some initial impressions.

  62. Dorne tootin
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Ho effing dor!

  63. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Oh and I also totally think Jorah is still spying in the show.

  64. Ashara D
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    HouseMartellBitches,

    X8!! We’re sure to get little Elia now! Woo-hoo!

  65. ash
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    The worst episode? How in hell – that was amazing! I did have an idea that Bran was going to warg and Hodor would get Locke. Glad that Ghost got hold of that guy whatever his name was. The only thing I didn’t like about this episode is that I am going to have to wait a week to see the next one!

  66. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Josh:
    So what exactly is Cersei planning? She has to be planning something…She was too pleasant to Margery and too agreeable about marrying Loras. Or has she just given up, feeling she’s got no freedom?

    I was wondering about that too.

  67. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    I honestly thought Jojen was done for during that Karl confrontation.

    “I saw you burn!”

  68. Shan
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Wow loved it best episode thus far IMO

  69. Gatorfisch
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Really like the way they changed the Bran arc without really affecting the story line.

  70. ash
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Sansa Bird,

    Alayne is a niece? Doesn’t that defeat the entire point? I honestly don’t understand why they’ve chosen to go this way, do D&D really believe their audience is this unintelligent to not look at Sophie with dyed hair, a character they’ve been watching since season 1?

    Its not the audience they have to convince, its the people of the Vale. And its just that way in the books. In the book the lords of the vale have no trouble with it. I never understood it – how could a hair dye be enough. But someone else thread reminded me how different memory and identity would be without photography… Its not like the people saw the royal family everyday online in the news blogs…

  71. Carl Drago
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    What a fucking waste of an awesome character in Locke.

  72. arden
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    I felt Sansa should of been in the room when Lysa was spouting that.. That scene was weird to me? awesome episode overall loving brienne + pod

  73. Guy
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    This was an awkward episode. The ending was just odd pacing for this show, The editing not quite right. This is what I feared, D&D were so obsessed with getting the red wedding on screen everything after feels forced or halfhearted. This is where adapting an unfinished book series/saga starts to show problems. Nothing this season aside of episode 2 has felt right. We only have 5 episodes left and this time last year we had Drogon burn Asatpor, Mormonts death and the Beric/hound fight. Nothing this season has even come close. I know they said this season would have more action and tonight’s episode did indeed have action but there was zero suspense and it felt clumsy. Something is wrong either with me or with the show

  74. WildSeed
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Lysa you crazy bitch, never change ! Meanwhile at Craster’s shack, we find out that Rast is really Coldhands !.

  75. B
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    I feel the same way. I had hoped, since they changed his character from the books, that he’d stick around… That they’d use him for some interesting twist. It really did feel like a big waste. He’s such a great actor the guy who played Locke is. Ah well…

  76. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Josh,

    Yeah, I don’t know what the hell they are doing with Cersei. Margaery called her ‘sister’ again, and it didn’t seem to phase her. She threw up zero resistance to Margaery being betrothed to Tommen and her arrangement with Loras. Every time I think we are going to get paranoid/crazy Cersei, the depressed, sympathetic Cersei shows up.

    I thought the episode was just so-so. The Eyrie and beyond the Wall were the highlights. I don’t think there was much new in any of the other scenes. I guess the Lannisters have no gold now. That is a new development. I was surprised to see Locke killed off. I thought he would have been a nice addition to the Wall storyline moving forward.

    Looking ahead, it’s time to really get moving with all of the storylines, particularly with Stannis and Tyrion’s trial. And for god’s sake, can we please get a Red Viper name drop? What a fucking oversight!

  77. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Well then!!

    This was one of those solid, steady episodes with a lot of nice moments that grinds along and winds up the tension well. If the last one covered a lot of things that came out of nowhere, this one hits a lot of points expected by the Sullied and fills in a lot of spaces with those kinds of quiet scenes that the show excels at.

    Likes:

    –Bran and Jon coming this close to seeing each other. In so many cases you’d rather have these characters meet in a show version to heighten tension and show relationships forged. In this case, having Bran watch this older version of his brother fighting for his life, seeing how far he’s come, and yet knowing he can’t go to him, well, that was heartbreaking, and well done, and Jojen voiced all of our fears well: If Jon finds him, well, Jon takes him back. That was the true.

    –Speaking of which, MVP of this one may be Jojen, who gets off a great taunt at Karl.

    –Holy crap Lady Insane Lyssa WTF CRAP. That scene with Sansa – I was waiting for the crazy, and DAMN.

    –The Karl/Jon standoff was really well handled. Nice fight, Burn Gorman did good work and while I generally hate the whole “bad guy loses because of unseen force,” having one of Craster’s wives stick a knife in him was a certain kind of poetic justice.

    –I hate losing Noah Taylor’s Locke so quickly – what a great bit of work he did! But then again, Hodor snapping his neck? Ok, fine.

    –Cersei-Margaery’s odd detente was great.

    –Cersei-Oberyn’s conversation was even better. “All the world wants to hurt little girls.” Ouch. So much inside that line.

    –Brienne and Pod are starting off well. Nice conversation there, too.

    –So that’s 5 episodes, of which I count 3 amazing ones and two really really darned good ones.

    –Curtain calls for the North crew! Rast, Karl and Locke!!

    Now, for the Unsullied:

    –In the battle of “which plot will we see more of next year,” that’s a couple more points in Dorne’s favor. Oberyn has…eight daughters (more than the book? Usually they cut the kids down, not add more.) Name-checking of Myrcella? Ok then. Naming Sunspear? That’s a lot of points in favor of more Dorne.

    –And that’s 2 big, BIG points against the Greyjoy uncles. 1) Danaerys has a navy…they stole the Meereenese fleet of 93 ships?? What? On the other hand, Jorah notes that 10,000 soldiers cannot take King’s Landing, and he’s right. So maybe that’s just a half-point against. 2) Big big showdown at the Dreadfort next week…does Asha make it out? On the other hand – 5 episodes in, and Balon Greyjoy still alive. The longer he’s alive, the greater the chance of the Kingsmoot and Victarion, et al.

  78. Sansa Bird
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    ash,

    But the people in the Vale know the basic traits of House Tully (red hair, blue eyes), they know Sansa Stark is wanted for murder, they know she’s the daughter of Catelyn Tully and niece of Lysa. All of this makes her susceptible to speculation and/or discovery. I’m just very confused about how they plan to make this part of her narrative believable.

  79. Lea Fakava
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    What I love most about all of the Oberyn scenes is when he talks about the people in Dorne like Elia, Doran, Myrcella and now tonight confirming that he has 8 daughters. Not sure if we will ever see the Sand Snakes or any of Dorne in the future seasons, but this gives me hope! #teamsunspear

  80. Our Blades Are Sharp
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Carl Drago,

    Aye! Would have preferred to see a random mutineer get killed by Hodor and Locke making it until Ep 9 getting killed by Jon Snow

  81. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Guy,

    The premier was a fucking awesome episode. The Hound-Arya scene alone was top 5 in the show’s history.

  82. Our Blades Are Sharp
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Locke should have called out for Techhhhhh Supporrrrrttttttt!!!!!!!!!

  83. Saul
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    -> Looks like we’ll soon meet the Sand Snakes… all eight of them. Risk them of your list of book characters in jeopardy, folks! They’ll be part of the TV show. Dorne, here we go. -> Surprised to hear that there’s no more gold in Casterly Rock. Didn’t recall this information from reading the books. Was it mentioned? Speaking of which, are we going to see Casterly Rock someday? That is a deviation from the books I would be very interested to watch: I take the liberty to ignore any description Martin may have written and imagine it as a fortress made of pure gold, surrounded by slums everywhere. Anyway, as Tina Fey’s daughter once said: “I want to go to there”.

  84. Darkstar
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    I hope OZ enjoyed his Lysa.

  85. Thaedys Targaryen
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Hodor>>>>Jon”bones”jones. Heavyweight champion of the realm!!!

  86. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Yeah, I think we can wave goodbye to Victarion.

  87. Guy
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    That end sequence at crasters keep was the worst action scene this show has done BY FAR. The choreography was awkward, the suspense was non existent and we didnt really see anyone do anything besides Jon. It was a mess. Last seasons “And Now His Watch has Ended” was so much better I’m having a hard time believing anyone involved was pleased with the end result. I hate that I’m loosing faith but this season is a massive decline in the quality of writing I came to expect from D&D. Maybe I need to rewatch it but I can’t begin to convey how disappointing and lacklustre that climax was on so many levels(what was the point of Locke going up there? Just to die? It accomplished NOTHING)

  88. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Saul,

    George said that Highgarden and Casterly Rock will be visited in the next two books.

  89. Antipurist
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Michael Kehoe,

    Oh, boo hoo. They had to do something with the boring ass Bran story line.

  90. Saul
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:45 pm | Permalink
  91. WildSeed
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I took notice of all three, not bad. Episode a bit incongruous , yet interesting. Was Brienne on her menses or just uncharacteristically moody ? To balance things out, Karl has had better days too. Close one Meera !

  92. Shock Me Sane
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Seems like a number of people missed the point on Cersei this episode. The three people she approached (Margaery, and through her Mace, Tywin and Oberyn) were the three judges. She came off sympathetic, appearing to give them what they want. It’s part of the plan to make sure they rule in her favor during Tyrion’s trial. It’s calculated, not character assassination.

  93. Victoria
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    What about Jojen’s hand in flames? was that an spoiler?

  94. Khal James, Breaker of Beers
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Guy,

    It’s you.

  95. WildSeed
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: –In the battle of “which plot will we see more of next year,” that’s a couple more points in Dorne’s favor. Oberyn has…eight daughters (more than the book? Usually they cut the kids down, not add more.) Name-checking of Myrcella? Ok then. Naming Sunspear? That’s a lot of points in favor of more Dorne.
    –And that’s 2 big, BIG points against the Greyjoy uncles. 1) Danaerys has a navy…they stole the Meereenese fleet of 93 ships?? What? On the other hand, Jorah notes that 10,000 soldiers cannot take King’s Landing, and he’s right. So maybe that’s just a half-point against. 2) Big big showdown at the Dreadfort next week…does Asha make it out? On the other hand – 5 episodes in, and Balon Greyjoy still alive. The longer he’s alive, the greater the chance of the Kingsmoot and Victarion, et al.

    Yes. Not all the melee going on could help me un-hear any of that. Still, viewers are still along for a ride. The production has many details yet to tweak to pull together their larger vision for the remaining seasons. I would hope that continuity with their newly derived premise has to stack up well to gain honours and satisfy the show runners ideal. The Greyjoy’s may be skimmed or referenced as a mention. Hard to say at this point. The Martell/Sand sisters may vary greatly in age, with Got Oberyn appearing younger. At any rate, I never believed all would make an appearance onscreen. With speculation of Griff being cast, the story of Dorne may play a pivotal role , as would other Targaryeon links. Myrcella ‘s return should be interesting .

    Your summary is awesome ! I hope you revisit , in a separate subject post, a followup to your ” Adapting Season Five and Beyond “. I still make note based on this and one of Adams’ ( Wertzone ) guest post.
    Readers have much to think about.

  96. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: Yeah, I don’t know what the hell they are doing with Cersei. Margaery called her ‘sister’ again, and it didn’t seem to phase her. She threw up zero resistance to Margaery being betrothed to Tommen and her arrangement with Loras. Every time I think we are going to get paranoid/crazy Cersei, the depressed, sympathetic Cersei shows up.

    She may be playing some kind of long game, or accepting fate, if only for the time being. Cersei’s always plotting, too…we’ll certainly see some more craziness soon enough.

  97. WildSeed
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Ghost says hi to Rast.

    Is that what happened ? I thought it was a wight

  98. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Is that what happened ? I thought it was a wight

    You funny! Yeah, I was hoping for CH but once I saw the cage door open, I knew Rast was jambalaya!

  99. WildSeed
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: Yeah, I don’t know what the hell they are doing with Cersei. Margaery called her ‘sister’ again, and it didn’t seem to phase her. She threw up zero resistance to Margaery being betrothed to Tommen and her arrangement with Loras. Every time I think we are going to get paranoid/crazy Cersei, the depressed, sympathetic Cersei shows up.

    Agreed. However ser Jon of Slumber may be on to something , a sentiment that keeps me hoping for things adding up to something down the way. Still, I do not relate well to the manner of this onscreen character. She’s a conniving bitch and I appreciate that about her ( : Now Lysa, that’s one crazy bat.

  100. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Yes. Not all the melee going on could help me un-hear any of that. Still, viewers are still along for a ride. The production has many details yet to tweak to pull together their larger vision for the remaining seasons. I would hope that continuity with their newly derived premise has to stack up well to gain honours and satisfy the show runners ideal. The Greyjoy’s may be skimmed or referenced as a mention. Hard to say at this point. The Martell/Sand sisters may vary greatly in age, with Got Oberyn appearing younger. At any rate, I never believed all would make an appearance onscreen. With speculationof Griff being cast, the story of Dorne may play a pivotal role , as would other Targaryeon links. Myrcella ‘s return should be interesting .

    Your summary is awesome ! I hope you revisit , in a separate subject post, a followup to your ” Adapting Season Five and Beyond “. I still make note based on this and one of Adams’ ( Wertzone ) guest post.
    Readers have much to think about.

    Thanks!

    I think like many have suggested we’ll see a couple of the Snakes, but not many, and the Greyjoys could be trimmed to Victarion and not much more. We’ll see – Dany has 93 ships that can carry 9400 people, and 10000 can’t take King’s Landing (Stannis had more, and lost, badly…the army is tired, but it’s hard to lay siege to a city.) So per the show, there’s still an in to add more people via an army.

    Meanwhile…

    –Cleos the Butcher gets a mention! Ba-dow! Crazy.

    –Lysa was so calm and collected initially I was almost weirded out. Then she went berserk. Well played.

    –I know this episode seemed like shifting a lot of moving parts but I didn’t care. They’re taking this kind of thing slow, much much slower than in seasons past. We didn’t get A) Theon B) Wildling Crew C) Team Stannis D) a rare episode with no Tyrion E) Castle Black. So that again concentrates things, so we get our usual King’s Landing stuff, lots of the Eyrie, the Night’s Watch, and then brief Brienne stuff.

    –There were for my money two real standout scenes – Cersei and Oberyn and that “Everyone in the world hurts little girls” line, and the Lysa/Sansa scene where Lysa is digging her nails into Sansa’s hands, or pretty much showing the truth of what Cersei says.

    –Robyn Arryn’s voice changed so much, egads. It’s not as bad as Bran, given Issac Hempstead Wright now appears to be as tall as Hodor.

    –I want more of Meera Reed, and hopefully she’ll have some time to be awesome.

  101. WildSeed
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    that’s a burrito in my mind, LMAO !

  102. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me Sane,

    Yep, guilty. I feel foolish to have overlooked that. It makes total sense.

  103. WildSeed
    Posted May 4, 2014 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: –I know this episode seemed like shifting a lot of moving parts but I didn’t care. They’re taking this kind of thing slow, much much slower than in seasons past. We didn’t get A) Theon B) Wildling Crew C) Team Stannis D) a rare episode with no Tyrion E) Castle Black. So that again concentrates things, so we get our usual King’s Landing stuff, lots of the Eyrie, the Night’s Watch, and then brief Brienne stuff.

    Sure, it was shifting and evolving. It catches those with foreknowledge off guard and compels us to listen closer just like the newbies. On the other hand,we can discern essential points that still need to be made plain. How much the show runners are willing to diverge is a youth call. I don’t envy them.

    The season has started out very strong. At best, the series sits in a comfortable place for being nominated for accolades and rewards, this time around…….. competition is growing though. Lot of good HBO series are making good grades or in the works.

    Moderators___
    there appears to be something wrong with the page snapback, that directs a person back to the referenced post. The one that is prompted by clicking on the visitor’s screen name.

  104. tdraicer
    Posted May 5, 2014 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    >Again with all the rape mentions. I’m getting seriously sick of them. The way the mutineers taunted and teased her potential abuse was gross and comes down to lazy writing, Meera’s character doesn’t deserve treatment like that.

    Well, I agree that someone here is guilty of lazy writing (and thinking) but it isn’t the show’s writers. But I gave my views on why GoT’s depiction of sexual violence is both justified and brave last week, so I’ll leave it at that.

  105. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 5, 2014 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Woops, meant to spoiler text that, not bold text it. Can one of the mods please edit it?

  106. Tatters
    Posted May 5, 2014 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Guy,

    Are you actually implying that this season has been less eventful than the last? Oh boy

  107. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 5, 2014 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Thanks mods.

  108. cindy
    Posted May 5, 2014 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    >Again with all the rape mentions. I’m getting seriously sick of them. The way the mutineers taunted and teased her potential abuse was gross and comes down to lazy writing, Meera’s character doesn’t deserve treatment like that.

    Again with what don’t you understand about this series? Its not glorifying rape; its showing what happens in this time and in this place and it is very much a part of the books written by George RR Martin. This is also HBO, that seems to enjoy putting these shots in their shows. I don’t want to see this stuff either, and I wish it wasn’t there. But it is what it is, and if you don’t want to see it you might need to stop watching the show, because based on what I know of the books, its not going to get better.

  109. Matt
    Posted May 5, 2014 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    As anyone else noticed that the title sequence hasn’t changed all season long?

  110. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 5, 2014 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Matt,
    Yes, much to my annoyance. I would have liked to see the Eyrie instead of Dragonstone in this episode.


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