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Season 4, Episode 6 – The Laws of Gods and Men – Recap

Tonight, Tyrion faced the court of the Crown, while Daenerys reigned across the sea in Meereen. Check out our book readers’ recap and stop in to share your thoughts on “The Laws of Gods and Men” in the comments section below!

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read the A Song of Ice and Fire series. As such the post itself and the comments will contain spoilers. If you haven’t read the books yet, you can discuss this episode in our non-book-reader recap. Thanks!



Crossing the Narrow Sea and arriving in Braavos, Davos and Stannis find a chilly welcome at the Iron Bank. Tycho Nestoris (Mark Gatiss) and his fellow businessmen deal in hard numbers, and are unmoved by Stannis’s claim to the throne. Their assessment of Stannis’s assets is brutal but accurate, and the Dragonstone king’s request for funds is denied. It’s only the persistence of Davos Seaworth that saves their cause, as Ser Davos displays his maimed hand and current situation as proof of just how good on his word Stannis can be.

His mission a success, Davos stops by a bathhouse to visit an old friend- the pirate Salladhor Saan, enjoying himself with two ladies. The Onion Knight recruits the pirate for another job, with payment upfront this time.


Sailing from the Iron Islands, Yara Greyjoy rallies her men on the quest to save Theon from the clutches of the Boltons, as Ramsay spends the night in bed with Myranda at the Dreadfort. The Ironborn take the castle by surprise,and cut their way through the Bolton men easily, with Yara forcing one to lead her to her brother.

In his cage, Reek cringes back from Yara, frightened and convinced her rescue attempt is some sort of trick. He screams, alarming the dogs, and rouses Ramsay. The Bolton bastard and his men enthusiastically join the fray, and Yara finds herself fighting off Theon as well as the Boltons. Ramsay releases his hunting dogs, and Yara realizes the mission is a failure, and that her brother is dead to her. She retreats with what remains of her men.

In the morning, Ramsay rewards Reek with a bath. A suspicious Reek gets in, and then Ramsay reveals he needs Reek to play a role in order to help him win a castle. The person he needs Reek to pretend to be? Theon Greyjoy.


In a Meereenese pasture, a boy and his father tend to their goats peacefully- until a black dragon rises over the herd, and scorches the goats, snatching away his meal. The goatherder presents the blackened bones to Dany where she sits presiding over her new court. She offers generous restitution for the man’s loss, and carries on accepting visits from supplicants.

The next person is not so easily placated- the young nobleman Hizdahr zo Loraq (Joel Fry), whose father was crucified on the day Daenerys entered the city. He begs for the right to bury his executed father, but Dany is incensed as the Masters had crucified children on the road to Meereen. Hizdahr claims that his father argued against the crucifixion of the children but that she ordered his death nonetheless. After conflicted consideration, Daenerys agrees to allow the burial of the dead.


A meeting of the Small Council convenes with new members Oberyn Martell and Mace Tyrell. The council is brought up to date on the most pressing news: Sanor Clegane has been sighted in the Riverlands, and Daenerys Targaryen has conquered Meereen. Varys apprises them of Dany’s acquisition of the Unsullied and the Second Sons, reminds them she has two seasoned advisors in Jorah Mormont and Barristan Selmy, and three dragons, and that she is not to be taken lightly.

After the meeting, Oberyn approaches Varys, with the Dornishman surprising him with his knowledge of Essos. Oberyn shares that he spent several years in Essos, and spots that Varys is originally from Lys, unsettling Varys who believes he has no noticeable accent. The men exchange uneasy banter, and Varys makes it clear that unlike Oberyn with his thirst for all the world’s pleasures, his only interest is in the throne.


Tyrion’s trial begins, and King Tommen immediately recuses himself, passing his duties to his grandfather Tywin. The other judges are confirmed to be Oberyn Martell and Mace Tyrell. Tyrion denies the charges flippantly, and the testimonies begin.

His past comes back to the haunt him as witnesses step up to testify. Ser Meryn Trant, Grand Maester Pycelle, and his sister Cersei deliver evidence, relaying damning comments and incriminating moments from the past few years, now twisted to make Tyrion seem like the obvious guilty party. Varys testifies as well, confirming that Tyrion threatened Joffrey’s life at a Small Council meeting.


The court takes a recess, and Jaime uses the opportunity to present his father a bargain. Tywin wants a dynasty, and he has no direct heir anymore if they execute Tyrion. Jaime offers to leave the Kingsguard if Tywin allows Tyrion to live. His father accepts the offer happily- Tyrion will still be found guilty, but he’ll be permitted to join the Night’s Watch.

Back in court, Jaime informs Tyrion he’s to join the Night’s Watch, but the trial takes a shocking turn when Shae takes the stand. Shae lies, declaring outright that Tyrion murdered Joffrey, and twisting the events of their relationship to humiliate him personally. He pleads with Shae to stop, but she throws his own hurtful words back at him: “I’m a whore, remember?”

Furious, Tyrion says he wishes to confess. Not of Joffrey’s murder, but of the crime of being a dwarf. He didn’t kill Joffrey, but he wishes he had, and he would like to watch the audience all die.

Knowing he will get no justice from this farce of a trial, Tyrion demands the right of a trial by combat.

What I Liked
Bravo for Braavos– In the opening credits and in the first scene of the episode, Braavos and the Titan looked incredible.

The Iron Bank– The Braavos scenes were fun to watch, with Liam Cunningham, Stephen Dillane, and Mark Gatiss bringing their A-game. As for adaptation changes or additions in this part of the story, Team Dragonstone needed more to do and this makes sense.

A new player to keep Dany on her toes– I really enjoyed what we saw of Hizdahr zo Loraq tonight, played by Joel Fry. It was an interesting dynamic; frankly, a little more interesting than the book’s version at this point.

Familiar faces– It was so great to have Salladhor Saan and of course Yara back. More of this, please!

Tyrion’s trial – All those great moments he owned people, you just knew it would come back to haunt him sooner or later. It sure made for a helluva good scene though. Great performance by the actors involved, especially Dinklage.

What I Didn’t Like

A jarring moment– The scene with Ramsay and Myranda cutting into Yara’s moving moment on the way to rescue just didn’t work. It was a distraction, and felt really awkward.

411 Comments

  • Watching your vicious bastard die gave me more relief than a thousand lying whores

    Quote of a season

  • I knew what was going to happen, yet I was still screaming at the TV the whole time. Brilliant. Bryan Cogman is the best writer on this show.

    I am loving the emphasis on Jaime/Tyrion this season, and in this ep. So amazing. And that speech by Peter Dinklage… Ahhhh chills!

    One of my favorite episodes for sure!!!!

  • So Tywin is the one who exposes Jorah!!! ….. Only Cat next week!!!! Guess we’ll find out the extent of Bronn’s betrayal. Fakeout with the goat herder. Didn’t like Hizdahr actor. First thoughts.

  • Hodor Tyrion BITCHSLAPPED! Peter Dinklage is my overlord and I will debase myself for him! Outfuckingstanding!

    Hodor , Hodor, Hodor , holly shit!

  • Great show! Loved the Iron Bank scene and the trial of Tyrion. My only complaint is that it was a short episode. Can’t wait for next week.

  • My only tiny complaint is we still haven’t seen the Mountain. But that very well could have been my favorite episode ever. I need more time to let all that settle… wow. Just wow.

  • Tyrion has been great tonight! And I have a new respect for the man whitout shirt and two knives jumping againts the best killers in the Iron Islands!

  • OK, totally geeking out here, but based on tonight’s episode, is this not just the freaking most awesome show ever??!

    Dinklage had better at least get an Emmy nom!

  • Yara and her axe! Fuckin’ A.

    This was a great episode.

    SPOILER FOR NEXT EPISODE BASED ON PREVIEW:
    Did it look like Melisandre was about to kill Selyse in the preview? :(

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    HALF MAAAAAN! Wow, wow, wow. Peter is the shiznit, damn he killed it. On another note, don’t know why the shepherd’s goat was brought before Danerys as opposed to his son. That would have meant more, had a stronger impact. Then, the son of a crucified man wants his father’s corpse? Yeah, o.k., I get that, but still the burned son would have meant more. Shea was spot on, IMO. Davos saves Stannis ass with the Bank of Braavos, did not recall that from the book, but it works, IMO. Loved to see Sallidor San again, he is a trip. Very good episode.

  • KL stuff was awesome. Tyrion does heart of darkness so well…can’t wait for more!

    The Braavos look was awesome, but the interaction between Davos and Tycho was unconvincing for me. Grumpy cat needed more stuff to say and do. Salladhor Saan! Another stupid brothel.

    Yara’s thread was very disappointing. WTF??? Run away! Run away! No ironborn respect.

  • Omgosh, Peter Dinklage is the man!! I am sooo excited for next week- gonna be a good one for sure! P.S. Hell hath no fury like a Shae scorned.

  • Bad ass episode! Tyrion’s speech at the end had me so pumped!

    -I wish the bones presented to Dany had been of the little boy. Alas

    -Loved the shot of the Titan of Braavos

    -The Yara rescue attempt was too easy. They got in too easy and escaped too soon. What was the point of that?!

  • Hi-Fi:
    Turncloak,

    Theon refused to go with her so she ran away without him after fighting with Ramsay and his men.

    -_-. Oh well hopefully that means we will have The Kingsmoot and an actual Fake Arya now that Yara’s filler is done

  • So, Yara’s trip to the Dreadfort was just a detour and was just used to show how broken Theon is? Ok. At least she is alive and got away. Now, will she sail back around Westeros or encounter an obstacle(Stannis) along the way?

  • Amazing episode! Dinklage knocked it out of the park. I seriously almost cried when I saw the winterfell snow castle in the preview for next week!

  • Here’s my case for why the Yara scene was not filler. Until now she had hope that she could rescue Theon and bring him home. After seeing him, she realizes he’s gone for good. That’s why she said “my brother is dead.”

    Maybe I’m grasping for straws, but I think this sets up Balon’s death sometime soon followed by a succession fight between the remaining Greyjoys next season. Vic and Euron are in. Mark my words.

  • Was that the first Stark-free episode of Game of Thrones? No Jon, Sansa, Arya, or Bran (or Rickon).

  • Wow!
    I liked Braavos being on the opening map, and the different route that the camera took to get to Meereen this time.

    I enjoyed most everything in the episode. I was especially impressed with NCW emoting like crazy for his brother in the jail cell before the trial. Awesome acting. And also Davos remaining loyal and vocal for his king Stannis.

    Fried goat was awesome to see. I liked how Dany’s holding of court is affecting her… it is not so easy to rule (at least, to rule justly).

    I am LOVING Oberyn Martell in every scene. He is almost like a Tyrion, just a bit more prideful and hot-tempered.

    Oh, and Sybil Kykelli did a great job when she hung Tyrion out to dry. When she said “I was his whore” after accusing him of promising Sansa he would kill the king, you could hear the hurt in her voice.

    The only minor thing I thought could’ve been done better was the FX for when they sailed under the Titan of Braavos. The boat was not moving like a boat would in water… and that broke my suspension of disbelief a little bit. When the camera panned out and up and they were passing under the Titan, it became less annnoying as instead I was wowed by the greater visual.

    All in all, a wonderful episode. Oh, I almost forgot the whole Yara/Reek scene. That was awesome as well, I also loved Yara’s speech to her fellow Ironborn. She’d make for a great military leader. Poor Reek!!!

    Can’t wait to see more next week!

  • Do you guys think Arya and the Hound are splitting up next week!?

    Im super excited for Lysas flight and glad we saw Sansa’s snow castle.

    What confuses me is that either Sophie or Aiden said in an interview that they werent doing the “creepy” angle, but clearly they are as it looks like they are keeping in the kiss.

    Great episode tonight!

  • Omg noooo my spoiler tags didnt work and im no longer allowed to edit a comment from mobile with the site update. SORRY

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Ramsay would have never let her live. That dog threat was a joke. He would have stripped them, hacked them and put her and the other ironborn in the cage with the dogs. What did they do, run through the fucking Dreadfort’s walls to escape? They were trapped!

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    So, Yara’s trip to the Dreadfort was just a detour and was just used to show how broken Theon is? Ok. At least she is alive and got away. Now, will she sail back around Westeros or encounter an obstacle(Stannis) along the way?

    It seems like she has to be going back to the iron island. There isn’t enough time for her to meet up with stannis

  • Hodor’s Bastard:
    KL stuff was awesome. Tyrion does heart of darkness so well…can’t wait for more!

    Braavos look was awesome, but the interaction between Davos and Tycho was unconvincing for me. Grumpy cat needed more stuff to say and do. Salladhor Saan! Another stupid brothel.

    Yara’s thread was very disappointing. WTF??? Run away! Run away!

    She gave up on him. That’s the point. Now he’s truly forsaken. Whatever hope he had is gone completely.

  • Does anyone know how many episodes Gemma Whelan is tapped to be in this year?

    Amazing episode!

  • Ihar,

    Really though! The delivery was SPECTACULAR and instead of just saying whores fitting lying in there. I realize it doesn’t seem that spectacular to fit lying in there but for some reason that just gave me the chills. Calling everyone out. THAT TRIAL WAS SO AMAZING I DON”T EVEN CARE THAT THIS COMMENT IS STUPID.

  • David The Grey:
    Wow!
    I liked Braavos being on the opening map, and the different route that the camera took to get to Meereen this time.

    I enjoyed most everything in the episode.I was especially impressed with NCW emoting like crazy for his brother in the jail cell before the trial.Awesome acting.And also Davos remaining loyal and vocal for his king Stannis.

    Fried goat was awesome to see.I liked how Dany’s holding of court is affecting her… it is not so easy to rule (at least, to rule justly).

    I am LOVING Oberyn Martell in every scene.He is almost like a Tyrion, just a bit more prideful and hot-tempered.

    Oh, and Sybil Kykelli did a great job when she hung Tyrion out to dry.When she said “I was his whore” after accusing him of promising Sansa he would kill the king, you could hear the hurt in her voice.

    The only minor thing I thought could’ve been done better was the FX for when they sailed under the Titan of Braavos.The boat was not moving like a boat would in water… and that broke my suspension of disbelief a little bit.When the camera panned out and up and they were passing under the Titan, it became less annnoying as instead I was wowed by the greater visual.

    All in all, a wonderful episode.Oh, I almost forgot the whole Yara/Reek scene.That was awesome as well, I also loved Yara’s speech to her fellow Ironborn.She’d make for a great military leader.Poor Reek!!!

    Can’t wait to see more next week!

    I have read that water is one of the hardest fx to do

  • I love the pay off that Varys’s “I remember everything” is gonna have when he’s freeing Tyrion / maybe joining him next year depending.

  • I really hate myself for finding Ramsay hot. Why didn’t they hire a less attractive man.

    I screeched and almost lost bladder control when I saw snow Winterfell. I knew they weren’t cutting it. I had more faith in D&D than many of you people!

    Mark Gatiss’ Tycho Nestoris was nothing like I pictured in the books. That said, I liked it. He was so delightfully smug and I highly enjoyed he and Stannis having a smug-off.

    Liam Cunningham’s speech was great. It’ll be overshadowed by Peter Dinklage’s performance tonight, but let’s try not to forget about Liam.

    Disrespectful Oberyn was great. He was just so over it.

    It was nice to finally get lines from Mace. Roger Ashton Griffiths was perfect. Just as I imagined from the books.

    Thank you Bryan Cogman for hinting at the animosity between the Tyrells and Martells during the small council meeting.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Well, it was poorly-staged, but she was next to the door when Ramsay let the dogs out. She made a run for it.

    This is the first time ever I actually think they might include Euron and Victarion. With Theon truly gone, it makes sense for Yara to try to be Queen of the Iron Islands and the Kingsmoot sounds a bit more possible.

    Or… Stannis will get her before she reaches home.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger: s sets up Balon’s death sometime soon followed by a succession fight between the remaining Greyjoys next season. Vic and Euron are in. Mark my words.

    Quite agree. That five minutes of scene clarifies many things later and sets up the Kingsmoot. Have to think that is in now.

    Also, for every one that complained about changing Shae’s personality, the changes paid off huge tonight. No way is the betrayal as palpable if they kept book Shae.

  • Jen@House Stark: On another note, don’t know why the shepherd’s goat was brought before Danerys as opposed to his son.

    I can’t remember from the books – but weren’t the burnt goats a problem at first, and presented to Dany? The burnt children weren’t until later, right? At least, that is how I seem to remember it. They can still show human’s getting crisped later in the story, as a means to amp up the dragon danger… from goats to humans…

    If I’m wrong, I blame it on my swiss cheese memory! :-)

  • Tyrion is THE MOTHERF*CKIN’ MAN (that might be taboo to say on Mother’s Day, but here we are…)

  • Shan:
    Who else was overly excited about Braavos in the opening sequence

    Yes. Especially since the opening sequence was the same all season.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    I didn’t think it was meaningless. I think it just really showed just how far gone Theon “REEK” really is. I dunno if the show has totally showed his Reekiness as much as they could. This helped I thought.

  • Excellent episode with the glaring exception of the Dreadfort scene. There’s no way that it should have ended the way it did. Once Ramsay confronted Yara, one of them should have ended up dead. Yara’s whole speech focused on the fact that Ramsay’s continued existence was an insult to the Ironborn. He was barechested and outnumbered by fully armed and armored ironborn raiders. Logically, her men should have killed him and they should have taken Theon from the Dreadfort by force (knocking him unconscious if need be).

    I normally like the additional scenes that the GOT crew comes up with, but this created an enormous inconsistency / plot hole. A blemish on an otherwise good episode.

  • I trust D&D and tonight’s episode was awesome, but that Yara thing is weird. That seemed pretty anti-climactic and kinda clunky. Again, I’m by no means trying to be harsh. It just kinda left me scratching my head. I still think one of the final scenes of this season will be her returning to Pyke and learning of Balon’s death / Kingsmoot and seeing Euron’s fleet (SILENCE!!!) sailing in.

  • absolutely fanfuckingtastic, best episode this season, the tone of Tyrion’s voice had so much hatred in it, loved it. Can’t wait for Shae and Dad to get theirs

  • I don’t think that goat herder was the same one who gave the interview about the “really emotional part” and etc. Its setting things up. For the child one later.

    And I’m re-bringing up the fact that Tywin is ratting out Jorah to Dany. That’s a good change, I like it. And Barristan the Bold gets some respect finally

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Here’s my case for why the Yara scene was not filler.Until now she had hope that she could rescue Theon and bring him home.After seeing him, she realizes he’s gone for good.That’s why she said “my brother is dead.”

    Maybe I’m grasping for straws, but I think this sets up Balon’s death sometime soon followed by a succession fight between the remaining Greyjoys next season.Vic and Euron are in.Mark my words.

    Agree. This sets up the Kingsmoot. Theon is essentially dead.

    I think that this goat herder was just a pre-cursor. I believe that we will still get the charred bones of the child.

    Peter gave us a master class in acting tonight. Love that they are giving us the depth of Jaime’s love for him.

  • David The Grey,

    The reverse order happened in the books. First we see the burnt boy, then we see the burnt goats. That’s when the shave pâté makes a sky remark that the goatherds need to bring proof that it was really dragons who charred their sheep

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Here’s my case for why the Yara scene was not filler.Until now she had hope that she could rescue Theon and bring him home.After seeing him, she realizes he’s gone for good.That’s why she said “my brother is dead.”

    Maybe I’m grasping for straws, but I think this sets up Balon’s death sometime soon followed by a succession fight between the remaining Greyjoys next season.Vic and Euron are in.Mark my words.

    This. That was amazing! Now the question is, will Yara make any more appearances this year? Maybe 1 scene to hear Balon has died and then sail back.

  • Anonymous,

    Yeah no Eyrie!? Whats up with that??

    (Unless it was added this episode in which case I apologize because I wasnt paying very much attention to the intro)

  • I think I’m still processing that final scene. I was close to tears. I knew they weren’t changing the Shae stuff. It was very well done.

    If there’s any justice in the world that speech of Tyrion’s will win Peter Dinklage the Emmy and the Golden Globe.

    Spoiler: There’s no justice in this world.

  • The King’s Landing and Braavos segments were excellent and fairly strong, respectively. Meereen was ehh. The Dreadfort stuff was utterly disappointing — probably the single most pointless story strand the show has introduced to date, and I’m including the brothel scenes in that.

  • house snow: I have read that water is one of the hardest fx to do

    Yeah, it was just a minor nit. Normally, the FX are awesome and I never notice (for example, the dragon attack was flawless), but this one pulled me out of the scene a bit. But, it was understandable with that towering statue coming into frame… awesome!

  • I am so loving the emphasis on Tyrion and Jaime’s close relationship this season, but… (Book spoilers)

    I feel like it’s going to make the Tysha reveal all the more painful. My heart broke for both of them in the books, and I think Tyrion’s heat-of-the-moment overreaction is going to be even harder to watch onscreen. The Lannister brothers’ relationship is one of the most genuine and loving, and it’s awful to have it ended! I’m gonna be a mess hahaha

  • I thought last episode was the worst of the season so far. Still better then anything else on TV.

    This episode was the best of the season so far.

    Dany’s scene showed how bad she messed up. Braavos made King Stannis come off as awesome. The small council scene was wonderful. The court trial was better then the books. Peter Dinklage is on another level.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I think I’m still processing that final scene.I was close to tears.I knew they weren’t changing the Shae stuff.It was very well done.

    If there’s any justice in the world that speech of Tyrion’s will win Peter Dinklage the Emmy and the Golden Globe.

    Spoiler:There’s no justice in this world.

    If there were any justice in the world, Nikolaj would have gotten an Emmy last season. Not even a nomination. I’m still bitter a year later haha.

  • Tonight’s episode….well, it’s a tale of two halves. The second half with the trial? That was awesome, executed with great faithfulness to the books and what has to have been Peter Dinklage’s best acting of the series, which is a bold claim considering how insanely good he’s been throughout.
    The first bit though, with ASHA (because her show name is STUPID), was a complete farce. What the hell was the point of all that? To demonstrate how mentally damaged Theon is? Oh, the audience was having some trouble figuring that out with him being castrated and flayed. Also, I looked at the clock when the credits hit and it said 8:52. Really? You couldn’t fill those eight minutes? Because we don’t have a mountain of material being passed over or anything.
    I’m not a book purist by any means, I understand the sacrifices required in adapting a story for television. And this season’s been very good so far. But that doesn’t absolve David and Dan for hacking a major character’s plot into pieces.

  • the point of Yara’s trip to the Dreadfort was to hammer home once and for all that Theon is no longer Theon in any way shape or form…thinking Yara was a trick and attacking her to stay with Ramsay…he is now officially Reek and nobody will question it

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I was moved as well…much fist-pumping during those last few moments! Damn, PD is worth every second! It more than made up for the confusing Dreadfort scene.

  • There certainly was no hint at ‘Aegon’ during the convo between Varys and the Red Viper. But it was mentioned that Varys was from Lys, the home of Illyrio’s silver/platinum haired second wife. Hmm.

    And yes, it appears Tywin is going to have someone reveal Jorah’s spying to Dany.

  • I think that Ramsay let Yara escape. Maybe something related to impressing or obeying Roose. Otherwise it would just be a really lazy way to end that fight. Loved the rest of the episode though.

    And for Stannis being the savior at the end of this season, his musical motif is pretty ominous

  • Shan,

    Yes, I think the ransom on The Hound means they will encounter Lannister soldiers eager for the money who end up wounding him, then they part….

    We are on the downward slope to the seasons endgame! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee! :)

  • Cool side note: they used Charles Dance’s actual age for the description of Tywin Lannister during the Iron Bank discussion.

    Overall, amazing episode.

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    David The Grey: I can’t remember from the books – but weren’t the burnt goats a problem at first, and presented to Dany?The burnt children weren’t until later, right?At least, that is how I seem to remember it.They can still show human’s getting crisped later in the story, as a means to amp up the dragon danger… from goats to humans…


    If I’m wrong, I blame it on my swiss cheese memory!:-)

    No, you may be right. Chalk it up to my old age :smile:

  • as book readers the Dreadfort stuff plays differently…but I have many unsullied friends that until this point didn’t buy Theon’s transformation into Reek…quote from one of them tonight “oh shit he’s completely gone huh?” Cogman knows what’s up

  • I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but I dont’ think they’ve set enough up to have Tyrion kill Shae. I don’t know, maybe because I don’t think her testimony is brutal enough. Or that everything leading up to the whole trial was enough to really take down Tyrion emotionally. Maybe because Tyrion wasn’t in that many scenes about how he feels to be in his predicament. I feel maybe he’ll start to strangle her but stop and feel disgusted for her. Tywin kill is a must though and I don’t see that NOT happening. I do want that to happen though Tyrion killing Shae. I wonder what you guys think.

  • I’m pretty excited about the Jorah Tyrion teamup when it happens on screen. Totally new dynamic. Getting Tyrion out of Kings Landing will be awesome on the show

  • The point of the Yara scene was partly to have Yara give up on him, but also to have Reek prove to Ramsay that Theon was gone and he was, in fact, loyal to Ramsay. This sets up Ramsay sending Reek on his little undercover mission, which otherwise wouldn’t have made sense if we hadn’t seen that Theon was completely gone.

  • Turncloak,

    Thanks for filling in the holes of my Swiss Cheese. :-) As a change, then, I still don’t think it is all that bad. I’ll be surprised if they skip it altogether, because it would really let it sink in how dangerous they can be – to kid and kid alike!

  • Ben of House Wisconsin:
    Tonight’s episode….well, it’s a tale of two halves. The second half with the trial? That was awesome, executed with great faithfulness to the books and what has to have been Peter Dinklage’s best acting of the series, which is a bold claim considering how insanely good he’s been throughout.
    The first bit though, with ASHA (because her show name is STUPID), was a complete farce. What the hell was the point of all that? To demonstrate how mentally damaged Theon is? Oh, the audience was having some trouble figuring that out with him being castrated and flayed. Also, I looked at the clock when the credits hit and it said 8:52. Really? You couldn’t fill those eight minutes? Because we don’t have a mountain of material being passed over or anything.
    I’m not a book purist by any means, I understand the sacrifices required in adapting a story for television. And this season’s been very good so far. But that doesn’t absolve David and Dan for hacking a major character’s plot into pieces.

    Ladies and Gentlemen. This is proof that even when something is awesome, somebody online will find something to complain about it.

  • mal,

    in the books this wasn’t enough either…it wasn’t until he sneaks into his father’s room and hears her call out for Tywin and sees her laying naked in Tywin’s bed that he decides to kill her

  • Can the people who think Dany has been whitewashed stop now? With Hizdahr claiming (is it true?) that his father had opposed the crucification of the slave kids, Dany looked morally questionable in her scene.

    I think it’s clear that the sympathetic child bride and badass conquering hero is turning into a morally grey ruler struggling to find her footing. Just like the books.

  • i think the whole yara-storyline tonight was just about introducing reek.. this time properly including himself saying his name and showing how damaged he is.. from the shaving-scene, unsullied people might think, he was just acting to be loyal.. noow everybody knows..

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    There certainly was no hint at ‘Aegon’ during the convo between Varys and the Red Viper. But it was mentioned that Varys was from Lys, the home of Illyrio’s silver/platinum haired second wife. Hmm.

    And yes, it appears Tywin is going to have someone reveal Jorah’s spying to Dany.

    The elephant was definitely in the room when Varys looked to the throne!

    Having Tywin pull some strings against Jorah is quite a decent, strategic move.

  • This was some pretty awesome stuff. Non-reader brother’s reaction to Shae showing up: “Holy shit, he’s fucked now.” and he looked genuinely concerned at Tyrion’s fate!

    Now THAT is a TV show :D

  • Amsterdam,

    exactly…in the books we get it because of the time passage and flashbacks but they had to have a scene like this for the show

  • Swords, axes, and SHIELDS. That whole thing was a little meh. Too bad, too – actress was killing it up until then.

    ED:
    Wwe???!!! You’re holding a sword!!! Why the HELL would you be scared of a dog!!!!?????

  • Favorite episode of the season. Brilliant acting all around. Dinklage absolutely nailed it!

    Will Tywin expose Jorah and any is there any possibility he is also involved in the future assassination attempt of Danaerys?

  • Wow, what an emotionally charged episode ! but let me get this out of the way first, STANNIS !

    Asha is my hero
    Goat Crisps, for the appetizer
    Tycho Nestoris , Gringott division , Bank of Braavos
    Oberyn Martell, the lawyer’s lawyer
    Tyrion’s impassioned plea for justice.

    Ant then there was ….. Reek, and the confusing details to follow ) : WTF happened with that scene ? AAAASSSSSHHHAAAAAAA !

  • The Bastard: Ladies and Gentlemen.This is proof that even when something is awesome, somebody online will find something to complain about it.

    And this is proof that no matter how you try to phrase it, someone will always take criticism the wrong way. I liked all of the episode, except the Dreadfort part, so I must be a Bad Fan. Shame on me.

  • No mention of Tyrion’s first wife? Will TV reviewers forget Tysha?

    Major character motivation right there

  • On another note, don’t know why the shepherd’s goat was brought before Danerys as opposed to his son.

    I wondered that as well I was half expecting the shepherd to correct her and say ‘no my queen, this wasn’t a goat’ with the camera panning to show the skull of a child. Maybe that will be later. And I think Dany is learning that ruling is a lot harder, and more boring, than it looks from the outside.

  • My only problem with this episode and this season is the episodes are getting shorter and shorter, most of the episodes besides the finale for the last half of the season are 51-52, thats including previously on and the ending credits, thats less than 50 minutes of footage an episode :( I know im nitpicking i just always felt they should use as much of the full hour as possible, there should be a lot more 56, 57 minute episodes WITHOUT any of the previously on stuff :)

  • OK I might be nuts but I am sure I seen this in season 1 or 2, I thought I was seeing things, could it have been a fuck up. In the intro to the show when they show the Iron Throne I swear I seen Jon Snow sitting on that throne, does anyone remember that or am I seeing things, and yes I know about the stabbing but I think the red witch brings him back like dondarrion.

  • ash: I wondered that as wellI was half expecting the shepherd to correct her and say ‘no my queen, this wasn’t a goat’ with the camera panning to show the skull of a child.Maybe that will be later.And I think Dany is learning that ruling is a lot harder, and more boring, than it looks from the outside.

    It’ll probably be the last episode. It will start with a guy walking in and Dany and the audience thinking it’s another goat herder. She’ll start to talk reparations and then as the scene progresses will be the reveal. I think this will basically be what plays out.

  • The Bastard,

    I thought Braavos made Stannis look like an uptight jerk who couldn’t even verbally defend himself. It made Davos look awesome, IMHO, but not Stannis.

  • Best episode of the season. The Theon/Reek scene seemed a bit rushed and cut out of a different episode but it was a great for the most part. How amazing will it be that when all is said and done these episodes of scattered storylines could theoretically be re edited as POV stories/chapters. So take all of Jon’s 4 seasons worth of scenes and edit them into a single narrative. One could re edit The War of 5 Kings arc into a 3-4 hour movie. Danny’s adventures would make a 2-3 hour movie. HBO could make extra money by even filming some extra scenes and release these separate narratives in theatres with “Never before Seen footage” to entice hardcore fans. A whole new revenue window would emerge and that money in turn could be re-invested into the show, making the scale is even bigger. Who here wouldn’t pay money to see these story’s play out in a single sitting, with new footage of Rob fighting his first battle or extended Blackwater action? It would show HBO that perhaps making the odd 2 hour episode or a 12 episode season isn’t a bad bet. D&D say they can barely complete 10 episodes as is but that’s only because post production takes up so much time. Hiring VFX vendors like WETA or ILM would be expensive but also less time consuming. I don’t know, I just feel like everything is so rushed with the storylines sometimes it feels like D&D are just checking off boxes as if to say “Ok 3 minutes with Arya, 15 with Jon, 8 for Dany” etc. it makes the narrative seem formulaic. But then they do an Episode like Blackwater or Lion and the Rose which focuses on a particular set of events, making those episodes stand out with more breathing room for the story–breathing room that I wish Rains of Castmere had been afforded.
    I guess this all sounds a little negative, truth is this show is a miracle of television storytelling. Nothing comes close. Unrelated but this show ruined the LoTR films for me(minus Fellowship, but the other two? They Do not hold up). Is it the realistic characters? The unpredictable twists? No. Its the production value. Thrones has half the shooting time and budget yet transports me into a time and place every week that Jackson’s films never could. I’m not even sure its fair to compare the two but something just felt “meh” watching Two Towers after shadow demons, dire wolves and Wildfire. Rings seemed so basic, black and white, cut and dry. Its like my brain only has the capacity/room for one medieval fantasy franchise & Thrones kicked out the previous occupant. Then slit it’s throat and defiled it’s corpse

  • Someone needs to tell Stannis that if he doesn’t stop frowning or having a serious look on his face all the time, his face will freeze that way. :-) (thinking of his look as he and Davos sailed into harbor)

    Must be Maester Cressen’s fault. :-)

  • KG: n the books this wasn’t enough either…it wasn’t until he sneaks into his father’s room and hears her call out for Tywin and sees her laying naked in Tywin’s bed that he decides to kill her
      QUOTE  

    Kind of the ENTIRE POINT. She certainly COULD have killed the hounds, and Ramsay but realized that Theon was completely gone, or “dead” and not worth fighting for. So the viewer now completely understands he is Reek, and it sets up Yara’s further storyline probably next year.

  • ash,

    They are saving that for later in the season or next year. There is no way the show will not have that scene at some point.

  • For people complaining about the length of the episodes, you should know that the entire season’s length is comparable to the other 3 seasons and is not the shortest.

  • David The Grey,

    We never actually see burned goats brought before Dany in the book. However, the burned-something-else comes before her in the context of burned goats or sheep repeatedly having come before her previously, to the point that they have a procedure established for compensating those who’ve lost sheep or goats. That’s what made that scene all the more wrenching in the book, the initial cavalier dismissal… “oh it’s just another burned goat. Okay, come get your money…” right before “Aaagghh it’s not a goat!”

  • I think the goat herder thing is setting us up for the later child death and it may have been a little bit of a book reader troll. I was ao worried it would be a kids bones that it really ratcheted up the tension of that scene for me. I know it’s going to happen but I didn’t expect it this early and hence my apprehension…they took their time revealing what was inside the cloth.

  • Outstanding episode once again! I will prostitute myself (again) for Bryan Cogman and have him write more episodes!

    Just a great, great episode! I really liked the bit in Braavos and see Stannis, a man who has soo little patience for the minutia of life, be literally taken apart and slammed down in such a calm and rational manner by Tychos, the Wall Street…err the Wolf of the Iron Bank!!!! And the comeback from Ser Daavos, was great!

    Poor Yara she finally realized to her own horror that Bailon had been right all along about Theon.

    But the bit at the trial is just freaking out of this world! Peter Dinklage is rightfully one of the best actors period! To see him shine so spectacularly is a real treat for this here fan of “Game Of Thrones”!

    I will say again, whatever they are doing this season, keep on doing it! This has been simply one episode after another of GoT goodness!

    Uhhh and Oberyn is the shiznit! I was quite taken by his scene with Varys, and Conleth Hill was mesmerizing once again, as he always is!

    And yes the scene with Shae was heartbreaking and like a punch to the gut and very effective!

    Though there have been deviations from the books, so far they have made sense, and I think, been very effective!

    Thanks GoT team, especially Bryan Cogman and Peter Dinklage, for capping off this week in such a great way!

    PS While this might not be the place I would be remiss not to mention “Silicon Valley” which is turning out to be one great, great show and a fantastic comedy! I mean I already liked, liked Mike Judge because of “Office Space” and “Extract” among other things, but “Silicon Valley” is another knockout punch!!!!

    Also, “Penny Dreadful” premiered tonight (saw the first episode OnDemand) and it got me hooked. The last scene of the first episode is as brilliant as any and soo moving!

    Ok off to see Jon Oliver …in “Last Week Tonight”….!!!!!

  • Turncloak,

    Loads of stupid decisions. They axed Areo and Dorne scenes for a second visit to Craster’s keep. They axed Vixtarion, the Crow’s Eye, the Damphair and the Kingsmoot for Yay…or whateveR heR new name is. Just silly. Not to mention ArYs Oakheart and Alayne.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    That was definitely what I thought as soon as I saw him glance at the throne. Chalk it up to Conleth’s mad skills that I felt it wasn’t in a greedy way, but a way removed, unlike say, Littlefinger.

    I felt that scene, and the dragon dungeon scene in Season 1, definitely help establish Varys’ motives, and will be something to point the Unsullie towards when Young Griff comes out of left field.

    And for the sake of the Unsullied, we shouldn’t call him Aegon outside of tags. (Do we have to tag stuff in here, or do people just do it to be respectful?)

  • My non-reader boyfriend thinks Shae’s testament is just weird. If she loved Tyrion, he said, and it pretty much looked liked she did love him, the betrayal is just too much, she wouldn’t do it even though she’s angry. I mentioned — not wanting to give off any spoilers — she might have pretended to love him, since she’s a whore and he gave her presents and stuff. He said “well, it certainly didn’t look like it. They should have given us a hint at least”.

    Not sure what to think. I for one never really liked show-Shae and always wondered how that would change the story. They seem to be going the same way though.

    About Yara/Theon, I quite agree that it sets up the Kingsmoot. The whole thing didn’t look real, though — Ramsay would never have let her go, in my opinion. And how did they get out of the castle so easily?

    But let’s give it to Alfie Allen. What a performance. He’s the one who deserves an Emmy nom.

  • Winter Rose:
    And how did they get out of the castle so easily?

    Well, she brought 50 ironborn with her, so its safe to assume battle was going one elsewhere in the castle as well.

  • TheSphinx:
    Turncloak,

    Loads of stupid decisions. They axed Areo and Dorne scenes for a second visit to Craster’s keep. They axed Vixtarion, the Crow’s Eye, the Damphair and the Kingsmoot for Yay…or whateveR heR new name is. Just silly. Not to mention ArYs Oakheart and Alayne.

    Dude are you from the future?

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    No thoughts on my question? I hope they reference Tysa well before the big reveal and reaction or it may not have the emotional resonance that was in the books.

    Also, whats your timeline for Lysa? Is that coming sooner than later?

  • Amsterdam,

    >The point of the Yara scene was partly to have Yara give up on him, but also to have Reek prove to Ramsay that Theon was gone and he was, in fact, loyal to Ramsay. This sets up Ramsay sending Reek on his little undercover mission, which otherwise wouldn’t have made sense if we hadn’t seen that Theon was completely gone.

    Quite right.

    Each season I think, This is the best season yet, and the episode tonight ranks among the best GoT episodes ever. Can every actor get an award, please?

  • Winter Rose,

    Both in the book and the show I think there was a threat (whether implied or explicit) that Shae would be killed if she didn’t testify against Tyrion and rewarded if she did. Would she really have been in a position to say no to Tywin and/or Cersei?

    We’ll see if the show clears it up.

  • Tryrion Pimplap,

    The preview for next week pretty much confirmed that Lysa will fly earlier than expected. And i’m sure the ‘previously on’ feature for episode 10 will feature a Tysha mention.

    Now please, kindly choose a different name, so as not to confuse everyone. I don’t think ‘Impslap’ is taken. Go for that one. It’s more clever anyway.

  • Arrgh so many people jumping to conclusions regarding Shae. Re: The Unsullied ( former TWOP /previously Unsullied to be more precise). She perjured herself to save Tyrion because it was Tywin’s plan to save him all along. Or at least in the show. It was a great move on the writers’ behalf to explain Shae’s betrayal given the more sympathetic angle they have saddled her with in this adaptation. I can’t wait till the kneejerk reactions to Shae’s betrayal forced them to eat crow when we see Shae was trying to save them all along. Not to mention when Varys comes through for Tyrion. And secondly ep 10 may also eradicate any accusations of whitewashing Tyrion. They are setting up a fricking Greek tragedy here.

    Sigh. Let them be surprised.

  • Rabid Grunt: Well, she brought 50 ironborn with her, so its safe to assume battle was going one elsewhere in the castle as well.

    50 ironborn in that rowboat? I think not! They couldn’t have an extra minute of footage showing the Dreadfort and Ironborn forces clashing?

    – Loved the reading of the letter by Yara and pumping up her men
    – Dreadfort that easily infiltrated? Ok, the ironborn are sneaky.
    – Yara learning the truth about Theon’s brainwashing. Good to see, but her anger didn’t increase? She just traveled 5000 leagues around Westeros! She just went “Oh well…”
    – No fight between Ramsay and Yara? “You mutilated my brother!!!!!”
    – Ironborn afraid of dogs? Fuck that.
    – More Dreadfort soldiers not arriving to prevent their escape? Ugh.
    – Dreadfort escape could not be justified unless Ramsay let her escape out of bizarre respect for her “balls” to try to get her bro
    – No discussion of her next move?

    Yeah, I’m critical, but this scene didn’t add up. Hopefully they meet again at Moat Cailin…better scripted!

    loco73:

    Poor Yara she finally realized to her own horror that Balon had been right all along about Theon.

    I like how you put that.

  • Lots of fans seem to be confused on the goat thing. This is not a major change from the books. It was well established in the books that the dragons were burning and eating goats, and Dany’s administration set up a repayment system.

    That’s what made the reveal so shocking. Dany’s administrator (Hizdar? – I can’t recall specifically) basically treated it like a small claim – check here, and you’ll get your money – and then the revelation that it was not goat bones, but the bones of a child that were displayed before them.

  • Winter Rose: But let’s give it to Alfie Allen. What a performance. He’s the one who deserves an Emmy nom.

    Agreed (so many nom’s are deserved for this show!). In one of his interviews Alfie Allen has said that this season he had fewer action scenes and had to do more acting with his eyes – and I think he is nailing it.

  • KG:
    This was some pretty awesome stuff. Non-reader brother’s reaction to Shae showing up:“Holy shit, he’s fucked now.”and he looked genuinely concerned at Tyrion’s fate!

    Now THAT is a TV show :D

    Glad to know some of the Unsullied understand the Shae reveal. I literally think the former Television Without Pity posters on previously.tv are now hate watching the series. They have no faith in the story whatsoever.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    I didn’t like the way they hadeled Yara’s escape, but I don’t believe it was from the Dreadfort. They were near the ocean, as evidenced by the ship approach and arrival by boat. I believe Roose sent Theon, with his bastard, to root the iron born from a northern castle that had been occupying. I don’t see Yara running away while Ramsey fumbles with the keys. The rest of the episode was great.

  • Gods, another episode, and more shitting on half of the characters by the unsullied community on ‘previously.tv’. As expected, they don’t understand why Shae did what she did(understandable), but they also don’t understand Varys testifying against Tyrion. I guess they missed him refusing to help Ned and telling him he was no hero.

    But they at least are still gripped by the KL storyline. They could seem to care less about anything else. At least they are clueless as to who will fight in the trial by combat. Most seem to think Jaime or Bronn will be involved, which isn’t surprising, but most think Jaime will fight for the crown against Tyrion, which is ridiculous.

  • Chris,

    Thanks Chris. I had that recollection that the goats came before something else – which made sense to me in the escalation of predation that might occur as these beasts get larger and larger. But I couldn’t be sure. I can see how I have that memory now – something that was inferred in the books, but is being shown on the show?

    I do hope they show the “something else” eventually, to me that is something that is important for viewers to know. Snapping at Dany’s hand at mealtime is one step, capturing livestock in the presence of humans is another step, and the “something else” would be yet another step.

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    Oh, and give it up for Ser Davos, wonderful speech and brothel scene. Totally deserves more praise than he receives.

  • Jen@House Stark,

    Davos is the most improved POV character in the show, IMO. I wasn’t a big fan of book Davos, but I love Liam Cunningham’s portrayal. I just wish they’d give Stannis more great speeches.

  • Amsterdam,

    I totally liked the Yara stuff too. Yes, there was a roughness to the shortness, inserted into episode 6… But what did it do?

    It stalled certain very fun Iron Islands stuff mostly until next season. Which needs to be stalled, because you can’t stall everything due to contracts for the big stars… but the iron Islanders? Perfect choice.

    It keeps her a hero, yet gives her 100% permission to give up on Theon. Hey, Westeros could use a few more heroes.

    And other things she’s going to do.. you know..

    Trying to be a Queen will be focused and clear…

    and we saw her with an axe. I liked that.

  • More chickens have to come to roost with Shae and Bronn. He’s gonna break up with Tyrion next episode

  • and of course Oberyn only becomes interested in the trial the second sex comes up. Before that he looked like he was being put to sleep.

    Also, anyone else get the idea that maybe Tywin was just using this trial as a way to get Jaime to Casterly Rock? That spiel he says to Jaime just sounded HORRENDOUSLY rehearsed.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    They rewatch the episode several times so maybe they will see the opening Cogman created to cast doubt on Shae fully betraying them. It’s there they just have to want to see it. I think their alpha female lost her love for the series after the RW and now she is merely hate watching. Many of her regulars seem to march to the beat of her drum.

    That said, I want to imagine them as book readers as we once were. They don’t have the benefit of turning the page; they have to wait an entire week to find out happens next. Given the narrative structure of the series, a sudden and prolonged seven day pause seems to stir their frustration further.

  • ash,

    I think from here to the end of the season we’ll see at least one dead goat per Dany segment; it will seem like a mild running joke until the season finale when we uh .. meet Hazzea.

  • When they spot ten pirate ships, the Brave Captain says:

    “Fetch my brown pants!”

    ShortHills:
    What was the punchline for Salladhor Saan’s joke?

  • Joshua Atreides,

    I still enjoy the thoughts of posters like Pallas(my favorite),White Stumbler, and abelard. But stillshimpy has become really annoying. She still has some insightful thoughts on some of the characters, but her lack of enjoyment of everything not involving KL or Arya is a real downer.

  • Well that was much better than last week’s episode. Dinklage can carry this show like nobody else can. The rest of those in King’s Landing were great — and I agree that Pedro Pascal’s portrayal of Prince Oberyn is top notch.

    Anyone else think that Tywin is about to write Jorah as if he was an ongoing spy, only for that “secret letter” to fall into Dany’s hand, accidentally on purpose?

    I can’t say as I was much impressed with that hyped up Yara rescue. This comes as no surprise to me; every chapter that started with “Victarion”, “Asha” or “Aeron” was a chapter I winced to start.

    At least the show got THAT right, too.

    If D&D have to cut somewhere, I pray they put the Iron Islands at the top of the list. Given how little we have seen of them, it would appear that I will get my wish.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Agreed. Abelard, Pallas and White Stumblr are great. Really disappointed in Shimpy but I admit I see the symptoms of series exhaustion. I say she will be done after season 4. She is sounding more like Gingerella (ugh) everyday.

    Oh and Alphaline is a blatant Bookwalker. His slip about the Beggar King was hilarious. He disappeared for about a week and posted again. But no one’s biting. I think some Bookwalkers get caught up in the notion of reading the books for the first time that the UnSullied boards is like crack cocaine to them.

  • And the end credits set to a strings version of the Rains of Castamere, quite similar to the one used during the Red Wedding!

  • Brilliant episode! The Shea betrayal. Ouch. Can’t wait for what happens with the Tyrion story line this season!

    A lot of people didn’t seem to hear the punchline to Salador San’s joke, and I was one of them. Volume wasn’t the issue, it was just hard to make out the words as both girls were saying it together. I laughed when I read it here.

    Anyways, this episode completely made up for the absence of Tyrion scenes last episode. Color me satisfied! This was definitely one of my favorite Dinklage performances, if not THE favorite. Have to let it settle in still!

  • Steel_Wind:
    Anyone else think that Tywin is about to write Jorah as if he was an ongoing spy, only for that “secret letter” to fall into Dany’s hand, accidentally on purpose?

    Totally happening! Instead of Selmy, it’s Tywin, but with much more malice and with the intent of causing dissension and paranoia from within.

  • Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    The answer is in the Tywin/Jaime scene. Tywin played Jaime to leave the Kingsguard to save Tyrion. In comes Shae as the next witness after Jaime says “keep your mouth shut”. Of course he feelings for Shae and the depth of her “betrayal” was to much to bear. Show Shae (I hope) said those things to ensure Tyrion would be sent to the Wall. She did it to save his life.
    And she will sleep with Tywin to save his life again after the events of the duel.

  • Lol, what the fuck? We’re still in book 3. Those scenes wouldn’t be happening until next season.

    TheSphinx:
    Turncloak,

    Loads of stupid decisions. They axed Areo and Dorne scenes for a second visit to Craster’s keep. They axed Vixtarion, the Crow’s Eye, the Damphair and the Kingsmoot for Yay…or whateveR heR new name is. Just silly. Not to mention ArYs Oakheart and Alayne.

  • “We’re not funding you, it’s hopeless. Oh, you’re an honest man? Well then take ALL the money!”
    sense it makes none
    Same goes for the Dreadfort scene.

  • Amazing episode! Only thing that would have made it better would be any Stark ‘action’ over the Yara / Dreadfort thing. I loved Ramsey’s scenes and Yara’s speech was actually great but that fight and her suddenly leaving. Also her and Theon interacting was just odd. The one weakness in an otherwise great episode.

    Oh and while i loved the Titan i have to say those dimensions have to be off ENORMOUSLY. That thing would be taller than the wall.. Not only that. Stannis’s ship has to gigantic compared to the ships near Braavos. Stannis his ship has to be nearly the size of that big domed building in the distance. Still a cool shot but a smaller Titan and Stannis’s ship would have made sense.

  • Oberyn’s depiction has been stellar so far. Definitely this season’s best new character.

    Here’s hoping this is one of the points where they stray from the book a bit.

  • The Yara scenes certainly served a purpose for both her character and Theon’s, and was not book reader’s favorite new word “filler”…BUT the scene wasn’t executed very well. It was a really rushed ending to what seemed like such a promising development at the end of last season. I kept wondering how they actually got out when they escaped, why Ramsay would let them out, why armored Ironborn (supposedly the badasses of Westeros) would be scared of dogs, and how the hell a shirtless Ramsay would survive that fight.

    I liked the buildup to it though (Yara’s reading of Ramsay’s letter) and the creepy bath scene between Ramsay and Theon.

  • garbargle:
    “We’re not funding you, it’s hopeless. Oh, you’re an honest man? Well then take ALL the money!”
    sense it makes none

    Yeah….although Davos rocked what he was given, we needed Stannis to make a better case against the IBB. Why is show Stannis such a grumpy pussy? The showrunners are really going to make us wait to cheer for Stannis until the very last few minutes of ep9….Aaaggghh! Even then, they’ll probably have Mel lead the way.

    Btw, I really liked the opening credit updates and the Titan!

  • The people from westeros.org are about to riot tonight. HBO just showed that black pirate that was supposed to be white in the books again LOL. All in all loved Ramsay fighting those piece of shit iron born scum shirtless.

  • I forgot to add, the Ramsay scene, fighting with Yara and company was pretty badass! I liked it!

  • Ok, well…lots of thoughts.

    Dinklage KILLED IT in that last scene. He just blew it away. What a showstopper. And to end on him staring down his father?? OMFG. Just amazing. And Dance played it great, too — his silence saying so much. Just, just, just WOW. That scene now rivals “Kissed by Fire” as the most devastating close to an episode that does not involve someone getting murdered.

    “Watching that vicious bastard die gave me more relief than a thousand lying whores.” Loved the framing of that shot – Tyrion foreground, Shae midground, Cersei background. It was clear Tyrion was going to take Jaime’s advice until he was humiliated by his father in calling Shae to the stand.

    Other stuff:

    –I haven’t read the whole thread but agree with those who found the Yara detour a bit of a letdown. I loved her getting in there, I loved her killing the hell out of everybody. I was surprised she fled so quickly with Ramsey about to loose the hounds, I thought we’d get more. But D&D have actually shown now with Talisa, with the Bran/Jon Craster’s Keep detour, and now this, that they tend to want to not disrupt the larger flow of the story, so they add in these detours that resolve themselves pretty much with the status quo intact. For a Sullied, that’s modestly frustrating, but it’s understandable: I can see how an Unsullied would see it differently and find it important that Yara come to the conclusion that Theon is dead to her. Plus, she played it great, she’s awesome to see in action, and it means more of her eventually. To me it now ups the odds on seeing the Kingsmoot et al (and now serves as an additional strike against her: “And she couldn’t even rescue her own brother.” Odds of Iron Islands plot upped to about 60 percent.

    –nice underrated work from NCW in this one too, given he’s not even the focal point.

    –SALLADHOR SAAN! SALLADHOR SAAN!! YEEEESSSSS! “You are not my friend, my friend.”

    –Also it’s possible that Braavos is the coolest addition to the map in ages. The coin rolling down around the side of the bank? The end on the head shot of Braavos itself? So great.

    –Stannis/Davos scenes were played well. Very well. Davos turns out to be a good talker. Mark Gattis was well cast, very understated.

    –The Varys/Oberyn scene will have to do as this year’s version of the Varys/Littlefinger showdowns of the past. But that’s fine, it was pretty damned cool. And nice how they came around to discussing the Selmy dismissal: “As insulting as it was stupid.”

  • ash,

    They are saving that for later in the season or next year.There is no way the show will not have that scene at some point.

    Ok, that makes sense, thanks.

    Re Shae’s testimony – even if I hadn’t read the books, I would have assumed she was threatened with her life if she didn’t lie. Money wouldn’t have done it – she already refused that with Varys, and with Tyrion. At the same time, the anger she has towards Tyrion is real, as per her last line to him, so perhaps they didn’t have to threaten too much.

  • in regards to episode 7 is anyone else really mad that only cat is happening this early? I thought it would of been an ep 10 moment. I wanted to see more of lysa :( really pissed off by this.

  • garbargle:
    “We’re not funding you, it’s hopeless. Oh, you’re an honest man? Well then take ALL the money!”
    sense it makes none
    Same goes for the Dreadfort scene.

    It’s pointing out that while the Lannisters have some natural advantages, the Iron Bank shouldn’t trust them to pay back the money they owe. Stannis might have a harder time getting a win, but if they hope to get any of their money back, they should support him. A Lannister win, while more of a sure thing, won’t get them their money back. A Stannis win, while less of a sure thing, would get their money back. I thought that scene was done extremely well.

  • ND From NJ: it sets up the Kings

    I am so loving the Red Viper!!! It’s hard to believe that so many people were whining about the casting when it was announced. Pedro is amazeballs!!!!!

  • Did anyone else get a definite vibe from Varys? A Blackfyre vibe? “Most of us aren’t princes,” with that casual smirk. “When I see what desire does to people, what it’s done to this country,” and that look at the Iron Throne. Why would a nobody from Essos care who sits on the throne of Westeros? I am convinced.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    There certainly was no hint at ‘Aegon’ during the convo between Varys and the Red Viper. But it was mentioned that Varys was from Lys, the home of Illyrio’s silver/platinum haired second wife. Hmm.

    And yes, it appears Tywin is going to have someone reveal Jorah’s spying to Dany.

    Ah very good call there sir (ma’am?). I missed that, or rather, I wasn’t sure what he was going on about. But yes, a “destroy from within” approach.

  • For anyone wondering about the Goatherder only having his goat killed…Dany gives him three times the value blah blah. It’s a good setup for the child to be killed the Drogon and then have another herder come, with Dany looking on saying oh look another goat…seriously people I don’t care about your goats and then he unwraps the bones on his child, and says something like “You gave the man who lost his goat three times the value for his animal, what will you pay me?” and then Dany looks on while crapping herself.

    Also; to whomever said the Yara scene with Theon wasn’t pointless because it would be important information for a Kingsmoot I give you a thumbs up.

  • Polish:
    I love the pay off that Varys’s “I remember everything” is gonna have when he’s freeing Tyrion / maybe joining him next year depending.

    I want varys to go to sunspear. After pentos of course ;)

  • Hi-Fi:
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Well, it was poorly-staged, but she was next to the door when Ramsay let the dogs out. She made a run for it.

    This is the first time ever I actually think they might include Euron and Victarion. With Theon truly gone, it makes sense for Yara to try to be Queen of the Iron Islands and the Kingsmoot sounds a bit more possible.


    Or… Stannis will get her before she reaches home.

    I don’t think so. She’s at the Dreadfort and Stannis is in Braavos. They’re sailing the same direction with the latter having a longer distance to go and without his army.

  • Well Pallas and Abelard have redeemed the previously.tv UnSullied. Let’s see if their astute observations fuel the discussion.

  • One of the top three episodes that did not involve a narrative climax.

    Particularly noteworthy was the Iron Bank scene, one of the best scenes original to the series in its entire run.

  • The Loon:
    as book readers the Dreadfort stuff plays differently…but I have many unsullied friends that until this point didn’t buy Theon’s transformation into Reek…quote from one of them tonight “oh shit he’s completely gone huh?” Cogman knows what’s up

    Agreed. One of my unsullied friends thought he was faking Reek because of that hesitation when he had the razor to Ramsay’s neck.

    I loved the entire episode including the Dreadfort scene. That scene also was able to add a little action to the episode, Yara and Ramsay showing the badasses they are. And I do buy her retreating. No reason to risk your life for a brother that doesn’t want to be saved. Balon bent the knee so it’s not like the Ironborn would never back down, although for the most part they wouldn’t.

    The trial though was superb. Peter’s face when he saw Shae was heartbreaking and what an incredible epic speech at the end. Nicely done.

  • Haven’t read any comments. Will tomorrow. Tired.

    But it was a brilliant episode with a knockout ending. With one enormous glaring flaw.

    A bunch of fully suited up Iron Born are not going to run away because dogs. Let alone just stand there and wait for Ramsay to free them. That was just awful.

  • Tonight’s episode may have featured Peter Dinklage’s best performance on the show to date. Considering that the man already has already won an Emmy for this role, and has two other nominations besides, that’s a remarkable accomplishment. If voters watch this tape, he should win. What’s crazy is that it’s possible that he might have an even better showcase in the finale. I can’t wait to see it!

    Lest we forget (as if we could), Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Charles Dance are pretty damn good themselves. That scene where Jaime offers to leave the Kingsguard in order to save Tyrion was fantastic. Oh, and Lena Headey was dynamite as well, saying so much without words. Those Lannisters. They get all of the best actors to play them, don’t they?

    Oberyn’s scene with Varys was another highlight. Oberyn is just metal, and Pedro Pascal is crushing this role.

    Loved all of the material in Braavos with the Iron Bank. I particularly enjoyed the annual appearance of Sallador Saan, Sex Pirate Extraordinaire.

    Yara’s attack on the Dreadfort was well-shot and suitably tense, especially considering that I didn’t know what the outcome would be! A worthy addition to the show. I really don’t why people are ripping the whole storyline as pointless filler (and Good God do I hate that worthless, utterly obnoxious term). It gave the strongest demonstration yet of Reek’s indoctrination. It forced Yara to give up on her brother leaving open the possibility of her surprise when he escapes and “redeems” himself. And with Yara escaping alive, it set up the possibility for the whole Ironborn succession business, something that I could care less about but that the purists have been ever so eager to get to. Personally, my only regret is that Ramsay and Yara never got to fight one-on-one. That would have been something to see.

    I was so captivated by the proceedings that I didn’t notice until the credits rolled something that a few others have already noted – this may have been our first entirely Stark-free episode of the entire series. Wow.

    Finally, the promo for next week. Seven Hells, after so many of us were so certain of the timeline,it looks like the people who were speculating that “Only Cat” would happen in Episode 7, before the finale, were right. I’ll be damned.

  • mal:
    I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but I dont’ think they’ve set enough up to have Tyrion kill Shae.I don’t know, maybe because I don’t think her testimony is brutal enough.Or that everything leading up to the whole trial was enough to really take down Tyrion emotionally. Maybe because Tyrion wasn’t in that many scenes about how he feels to be in his predicament. I feel maybe he’ll start to strangle her but stop and feel disgusted for her.Tywin kill is a must though and I don’t see that NOT happening. I do want that to happen though Tyrion killing Shae. I wonder what you guys think.

    Well it’s not just what she does at the trial. It’s also because he finds her in Tywin’s bed.

  • Just give Peter Dinklage all the hardware now, m’kay? His arc this season has been epic and with what’s surely to come, he’ll earn every award on the shelf.

    I gave the episode a solid 9.75/10. It was just the YarAsha stuff that detracted, although I know it will pay off later on.

    As for the goat, yes this is just the setup for the big reveal. Remember: Episode 10’s title is “The Children.” How appropriate is that, eh?

    At this point, the Kingsmoot is a guaranteed lock for S5. It won’t be the painfully drawn-out backstory of All Things Pyke, as it was is AFFC; rather something handled in maybe 10 to 15 minutes of screen time, total, and probably just in one episode. I’m not sure what Euron’s role will be in the future story, but Victarion’s arc is far too important to cut, and YarAsha has all that unfinished business with Stannis (I forget the whole story with her there, though–it’s been 2 years since my last reading of ADwD).

    Also I have no doubt we’ll be back in Dorne next year. The whole Arianne and Myrcella story has to be told, plus the return of “Gregor’s Head,” and setting up Arianne’s future TWoW action. Remember, too, if prophecy is true, Cersei will see both Tommen and Myrcella dead in her lifetime, so Dorne is absolutely in. I’m not as sure about Quentyn “Purina Dragon Chow” Martell appearing, though. That story wouldn’t make any sense to waste precious screen time on.

  • Oh [email protected]!

  • “It’s me, Theon. You have to remember your name – forever and ever meeting between Greyjoys siblings way more powerful than what happened in this episode.
    Disregarding the Dreadfort shenanigans and the confusion of goat bones (maybe they will use children’s remains later on?) this was a very good episode.
    I just wish they did use an opportunity to add some depth to Tywin’s character like the trial did in the books, but well, I am the only person who loves him anyway

  • TheBerylfly,

    PLENTY of people love Tywin. Not just you. Come on now! No one is “the only one” who likes a certain character. Honestly, I strongly prefer Show Tywin yo book Tywin. And I fear the show will suffer with him gone.

  • Best episode this season so far . They nailed the trial and the guy playing theon is amazing.

  • Your and,
    The show will – if for nothing else, for the lack of Charles Dance
    The thing is, some people like to claim that added scenes with Arya added depth with his character which never was in the books, but did they really? Show watchers know nothing of Joanna, of love Tywin and Kevan had between them, of Tywin’s fierce protectiveness towards his blood (evident with Tyrek and how he was planning to have Tyrion nightwatch’ed in the books without any sort of deal), his humilating but efficient tenure as Hand of the King and his “I did what had to be done” position with Castameres. I am not saying all of this would make Tywin a better or more likable person for everyone, but it would have made him a better character.

  • The thing I liked most about this episode is how it moves the narrative forward in multiple ways. The chess pieces keep moving for the present moment, but there’s tons of foreshadowing for not only later episodes but potentially later seasons. Job well done.

    I’m also hoping that things don’t move too quickly with a particular story-line and the above is also true for next week, though with the title “Mockingbird” that seems unlikely. I really hope it doesn’t happen, but looks like “Only Cat” is next week

  • i think the reason why yara left is not because of the dogs which so many people her are yapping about. Its because yara saw that theon was now impossible to rescue. I think she realized that quickly and didnt want to risk her life and his men anymore. So she ran away. I think it is an understandable reason to leave.

  • I love Varys looking at the Iron Throne when Oberyn asked him what does he want, though its a little heavy since Varys shouldnt do something like that, but it hints the Varys wants the throne to the viewers, cause he wants to put Aegon on it.

  • I wish Yara had killed Myranda, just to see a look of shock on Ramsay’s face. I sure like it when other characters hurt him. While the scene was rushed, I am glad she escaped so easily.

    I can’t watch ex-Theon without wincing.

    Kekilli was surprisingly good, partially because of the stronger emphasis on the Turkish musicality of her accent in English (of course, her strongest language is German). Both her love and her desire for revenge were visible.

    But Dinklage…brilliant. He doesn’t need another Emmy, those awards are not good enough for such a performance. Then the eye reaction by Nikolaj…very well done.

  • Joshua Atreides,

    Okay, you lost me at “the depth of her “betrayal” was to much to bear. Show Shae (I hope) said those things to ensure Tyrion would be sent to the Wall.”

    Shae testifying against Tyrion isn’t going to make him more likely to throw himself on the mercy of the court or beg for leniency. It would and did only piss him off and make him more combative. Tywin had to have known that was a distinct possibility. If anything, if Tywin wanted to have Tyrion be more malleable and more likely to ask for mercy so he could make good on his deal with Jaime, he would never have let Shae on the stand. Her testimony is not only the final nail in the coffin, it is also too enraging to Tyrion. I think you’re seeing things that simply aren’t there.

    If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it but I just don’t see any indication that Tywin and Shae are trying to save Tyrion.

  • It was a great episode.

    Only lame thing is why would Yara and her men run from one dog being released at a time when they have weapons, a sheild and armor on. And even if they did run how did they get all the way to their rowboats without one dog catching up. Besides the other forgivable plot holes of that whole scene that was kind of weak.

    Peter really capped off the episode with an amazing performance though, that scene gave me chills and got me so pumped up for the trail by combat yet to come!

    I also love how they had Oberyn pop up as soon as Tyrion mentioned trail by combat, you could just see Oberyn’s wheels grinding =]

  • TheBerylfly:
    “It’s me, Theon. You have to remember your name – forever and ever meeting between Greyjoys siblings way more powerful than what happened in this episode.
    Disregarding the Dreadfort shenanigans and the confusion of goat bones (maybe they will use children’s remains later on?) this was a very good episode.
    I just wish they did use an opportunity to add some depth to Tywin’s character like the trial did in the books, but well, I am the only person who loves him anyway

    IMO, this is why book knowledge can be detrimental to enjoying the show. You spend all your time wondering “Well, how am I to interpret this scene? Is it a buildup to something in the books, or is it a replacement for a pivotal book moment altogether?” …How about neither?

    I don’t see anything wrong with the Dreadfort scene or the goat bones. I don’t see why that ADWD/TWOW (?) scene can’t happen later with emotional impact.

  • MX,

    When Ramsay and Myranda were having sex early in the episode I really thought they were showing that because they were going to have Yara kill her that episode. That would have been a great way to bring the episode around. Set up a little extended hate between those two.

  • my guess is yara will get back to Pyke and hear that her father died and next season will be the kingsmoot

    they are definitely gonna do the burnt boy later in the season. THis was just set up

  • Kyrion:
    I love Varys looking at the Iron Throne when Oberyn asked him what does he want, though its a little heavy since Varys shouldnt do something like that, but it hints the Varys wants the throne to the viewers, cause he wants to put Aegon on it.

    If you like it, you’ve got to put a king on it :)

  • In the trailers we saw Yara sailing through a evergreen (tropical) forest… So, I guess we will see her again.

  • I agree. Theon’s resistance and him biting her was all the confirmation she needed that her brother is lost. They couldn’t possibly fight and force Theon back to the ship without losing their lives. There were only a few of Ramsay’s men in the cellar, but tons more waiting up top.

    Even if they had knocked Theon out.. trying carrying dead weight and running for your life. Yara chose to fight another day and I think later she will think back on her brother and maybe try to save him. At least she’ll know what she’s up against and plan better.

    hodorrr: i think the reason why yara left is not because of the dogs which so many people her are yapping about. Its because yara saw that theon was now impossible to rescue. I think she realized that quickly and didnt want to risk her life and his men anymore. So she ran away. I think it is an understandable reason to leave.

  • KG: This was some pretty awesome stuff. Non-reader brother’s reaction to Shae showing up: “Holy shit, he’s fucked now.” and he looked genuinely concerned at Tyrion’s fate!

    Now THAT is a TV show :D

    Hodor’s Bastard: The elephant was definitely in the room when Varys looked to the throne!

    Having Tywin pull some strings against Jorah is quite a decent, strategic move.

    wait what? What do you mean by Tywin doing something against Jorah? Did I missed something here?

  • When this season was promoted they hyped up that every episode is episode 9 quality. We should have known they’d do only Cat in Mockingbird as soon as the title was released.

    People complained of a midseason slump last season. I think they wanted to avoid that and keep people who typically expect all the big stuff in episode 9 off guard.

    This also gives us some extra time in the last 3 episodes for LF to start plotting with/against the lords declarant. Hopefully they give us some added scenes.

    One thing that’s worrying me is who the patsy will be. Unless I missed there wasn’t any set up for it. They can’t exclude it because Sansa learning to lie her ass off is so important.

  • It’s been a while since I have read the books, but I’m pretty sure Stannis never sailed to Bravos. I had thought he sent Davos to White Harbor – did Bravos replace the White Harbor stuffs?

  • Leo,

    Book knowledge IS detrimental to enjoying the show, make no mistake. I would have probably been pissing myself at how good this show is if I didn’t find books superior in many aspects. However, I am also against “you cannot compare and should never compare!!1” attitude. I am not a fan of Yara’s storyline and this meeting in comparison, especially since I found it waste of time. Some other storylines were horrendous with no comparison required.
    That said, the later sibling reunion cannot feature that exact conversation which gave it such emotional impact, but it can happen in some way, I guess, just like the child’s bones. Now on Tywin i should just give up

  • I rewatched the animation (I had missed who wrote the episode — Cogman, it is), and took a very careful look at the Monk Punk version of Braavos.

    Did anyone else catch the coin that rolls around the wall of Braavos, and deposits itself into the Iron Bank? LOL.

  • wycoff,

    So… you ignored the part where Theon didn’t even seem aware of who he was, even bit her sister and she later said “My brother is dead”? They didn’t escape because of the dogs, they didn’t flee; Yara realized her mission had failed before it even started. That was… like the whole point of the scene?

  • Amanda M,

    The average viewer does not know about that. The story was told once, and alluded to once more a season later. We didn’t even get her name, as far as I remember. I assumed they would remind us sometime this season, but shouldn’t have they done that by now? They can’t just have the revelation as in the books; most people wouldn’t know what the heck they are talking about. They may just leave it out. It serves no purpose to the show version of Tyrion.

  • standozone:
    In the trailers we saw Yara sailing through a evergreen (tropical) forest… So, I guess we will see her again.

    Which trailer, please? All the footage of Yara I recall we’ve already seen.

  • Josla,

    Tywin asked if Varys had little birds in Meereen, and asked for a quill and paper to write a letter to one of them. I’m assuming it will be how Dany will find out about Jorah.

  • House Olivegarden,

    Actually they have announced the length of each episode already, and it is not that bad. At all. In fact, episode 10 will be 66 minutes long, the longest Game of Thrones episode ever by two minutes, after the season 2 and 3 season finales. The season will be relatively short, true, but season 2 will still be the shortest (by far) and season 1 the longest (also unparalleled). The average season 1 episode was about 57; season 2 about 55; season 3 about 56; and season 4 about 55 again.

  • Love your work, WiC-meisters, but I don’t think it will do to tell us that “if you haven’t read the books yet, you can discuss this episode in our non-book-reader recap”, and then not publish that recap for another three days. I’ve just finished watching the episode, I am as usual buzzing about it, and I’d love to take part in a discussion where it is understood that book spoilers won’t even be hinted at – but the internet’s premier website on all things GoT won’t provide me with one until the caravan’s moved on.

  • That’s a good point, and one I hadn’t thought of, being a reader.

    Sergei Walankov:
    Love your work, WiC-meisters, but I don’t think it will do to tell us that “if you haven’t read the books yet, you can discuss this episode in our non-book-reader recap”, and then not publish that recap for another three days. I’ve just finished watching the episode, I am as usual buzzing about it, and I’d love to take part in a discussion where it is understood that book spoilers won’t even be hinted at – but the internet’s premier website on all things GoT won’t provide me with one until the caravan’s moved on.

  • Leo: Which trailer, please? All the footage of Yara I recall we’ve already seen.

    One of the trailers has her in a boat during the day. first trailer I think. We’ll be seeing her again!

  • That couldn’t have been easy on Peter Dinklage. He must have taken much of it fom his own experiences of being a little person. When he turned around and let them have all his hatred and scorn, wow, that was good. And then in the big twist, he chose a trial by combat. Pure genious! He doesn’t like his father….

  • He must have taken much of it fom his own experiences of being a little person.

    Well observed. I’m not sure it’s even possible to merely act that well.

  • I always wondered why Shae was found in Tywin’s bed. After reading through other peoples comments. Her seducing (or trying to seduce)Tywin to try and save Tyrion, makes a lot more sense then Tywin wanted a whore, and Shae was already there coincidence.

  • Sergei Walankov,

    True. I think after the season opener the unsullied recap was up way before the sullied. Seems to change every week. I’m sure it takes some time for Oz to write his recaps. Don’t want to rush him. Maybe they should have an unsullied chat thread like they do for the sullied.

  • “Tyrion Lannister” and “Peter Dinklage” trending in the US on Twitter at the moment. “Tyrion” also trending in my home country of Australia, which is especially good work because it first screens in the afternoon here, and most people wouldn’t watch it until the evening.

    Maybe they should have an unsullied chat thread like they do for the sullied.

    Just so.

  • in the annual crazy bitch contest of westeros, myranda is attempting to usurp lysa arryn from her position of loudest screamer. although it was much more enjoyable to watch and listen to than lysa’s fun time with petyr, she didn’t do enough to take that fiercely guarded number one spot. but with ‘only cat’ most likely next episode (and according to the trailers myranda and ramsay bone at least one more this season) she will have another shot at gold. but maybe she’ll scream loudest when ramsay sets his dogs on her…

  • On book-Shae motivations:

    With book-Shae it was easy to believe that ultimately she cared very little for Tyrion. It was advantageous for her to make Tyrion fall for her, but it was simple manipulation on her part. In the end, Tywin could make a very easy case that he could make her life more comfortable and more secure. Tywin himself making use of Shae’s services after forbidding Tyrion doing so was simple hypocrisy and completely believable. Those who sermonize on morality or appearances are frequently those who transgress against their own standards.

    Show-Shae is more problematic because they built her up as having genuine feelings for Tyrion. They will have to play it very cleverly to make the outcome believable given they will have to significantly change her motivations.

    Trying to somehow play that she does what she does to nobly ‘save’ Tyrion doesn’t sound like it would work to me. And converting her death at Tyrion’s hands (assuming it plays out the same way) into a more romantic tragedy of misunderstanding than the reaction-in-the-moment of Tyrion to the multiple revelations experienced as they are in the books … I wouldn’t be a fan.

    I guess we’ll see soon enough.

  • Well that was amazing! Well done Bryan, may the powers that be grant you many more episodes next season. The one complaint I’d have would be inter-cutting Yara’s brilliant speech and Ironborn montage with shots of Myranda on top.

    Even Dany’s material didn’t overstay its welcome (which happened a lot for me in Breaker of Chains). I knew Salladhor would be in at least one episode and somehow I correctly guessed it as this one. It’s good to know they can keep some secrets on this show. The trial may have been long but it certainly wasn’t boring.

    But after seeing the Mockingbird preview it’s clear there’s going to be lots to look forward to, only…

  • Yara’s escape was a little too easy and I doubt releasing the hounds on her was really enough given that she still had her weapon. Would have worked better if more Dreadfort men had appeared with Myranda, killed the rest of the Ironborn and disarmed Yara. Then Ramsay would have been like ‘Let’s have some fun. I’ll give you a headstart.’ or something to that effect. Cut to Yara running through the woods, being hunted by Ramsay and Myranda, mirroring the hunt scene in episode 2, except at night. A few tense scares shots of the dogs etc. and then Yara gets back to the boat, possibly managing to kill Myranda on her way.

  • The only negative I can find in the episode is the start of the Yara scene, how to ruin a good speech. I like the fact it can lead on to the kingsmoot now though.
    Dinklage was just incredible!

  • best episode of the season so far. I’m not sure if i could call any of these scenes filler. There was some great acting, both from Peter Dinklage, and from Alfie Allen in his scenes.
    It was awesome to see the Titan of Braavos, both in the opening credits and in the show itself, Braavos is looking massive and amazing. It was also good to see some extended scenes advancing the dragonstone plot, which is quite rare. Also liked the way they brought sallahdor back into Stannis’ service, it felt a lot more clear than in the books, where im pretty sure he says he will leave him after he picks up Davos, but just doesnt. Hopefully they will elaborate a bit more on the deal later on, in order to explain at what point stannis might get to hiring some sellswords, and why he cant do it now.
    The Dreadfort scenes were also very good, nice to see Yara back, some great acting from Alfie, and all in all some great scenes. The explanation of releasing the hounds on her didnt seem a very strong one, but im not complaining if it means the kingsmoot is still on, which it will be if she can avoid capture from stannis on her way back the scenes afterward were well done as well, all in all some very good scenes.
    I was suprised that Dany’s storyline didnt go as far as we were expecting from this episode (no ‘hazzea’ moment, no fighting pits talk from hizdahr either) but in fact I welcome these changes, looks like the first one at least will still happen but they are delaying until further back, which i’m fine with. Looks like Tywin is going to find a way to reveal Jorah’s treachery to Dany, which I think works well. Also, the scene with Drogon was so fucking awesome!
    The trial was kept pretty close to the book (aside from the Jaime-Tywin scene, which i think makes sense and gives a good reason why he might allow Tyrion to take the black) even Tyrion’s last monologue was almost straight out of the book, and very well acted.
    All in all, a very strong episode. Looks like we are finally moving forward into the juiciest parts of the season.

  • I’m one of the fools who believes Syrio Forrel survived his encounter with Ser Marin trout(whatever) back in season 1. Syrio was name checked last week and he could be a faceless man from Bravoos. If you watch season 1s “The Pointy End” again you can hear screams and steel on steel swordplay off screen when Arya is running away. Maybe he was even Ja’quen Hagar after he molds a new face. All I know is that Syrio fellow kicked ass with a wooden sword and had plenty of opportunity to pick up a steel Lannister sword from one of the incapacitated guards, yet he stuck with his wooden sword. Then we cut to Arya after the wooden sword breaks and hear a short scrummage with Many different sounding screams. This tells me that Syrio picked up a steel sword . I doubt Syrio has a high pitched scream like the one we hear, so who screams? Notice how Syrio is never brought up again after Cersei brings up her escape. Plus Syrio and Ja’quen have similar views on the one God, Death. I so hope we get to see Ja’quen again, back as his old self. Ever notice that one of the second sons Dhario kills kind of looks like the new face Ja’quen takes in the finale of season 2? Probably a different actor but when I saw the tanned, hooked nose I thought for sure it was him, anyone else? Am I crazy? Team Syrio!

  • Wow – fantastic episode. Especially the amazing trial scene at the end – Peter Dinklage is amazing. I also really liked the small council scene and the little scene between Oberyn and Varys.

    Braavos was kind of meh – only one establishing shot then straight to interior sets. Oh well guess we will see it more in detail later on.

    The Dreadfort stuff was weird – why did the iron born run away? The bath scene between Reek and Ramsay was brilliant though – showed Ramsay’s weird love for Reek for the first time and Alfie and Iwan are fantastic.
    I want to see Roose again though! Did he sleep through the attack!?

    As for the next week teaser –

    Definitely looks like we’re getting ‘Only Cat’ next week which is surprising – I would have thought that would be episode 10 but I like that its next week. Gives ep 7 a big moment and gives more room to other stuff in ep 10.

  • mal,

    I think he was thoroughly humiliated.

    I still can’t work out whether she loved him or if it was all in a day’s work for a whore.

  • i never liked the fact that Shae testified against Tyrion, even in the books. i guess it’s part of George Martin’s plain evil world, but if you think about it:

    Of course she is a whore and will do a lot for money. But she is also a human being and she has spent years with Tyrion. She must have some kind of loving/friendship relationship with him. Furthermore, she always describes herself as brave and i don’t believe she would be intimidated by Cersei (she refused to leave King landing multiple times).

    I also don’t believe she would be so heart broken that she wants to revenge Tyrion. She would have to be very very evil if she wanted to kill him “just” because the way he treated her. Especially in the series, she seemed like a smart girl who would understand why Tyrion did and said what he had to.

    btw, i didn’t see the episode yet but this always confused me in the books.
    anyone agree with me or thinks she had another motivation to testify against him?

  • Now that I have seen it, I had but two problems with the episode:
    1) Sibel Kekilli’s acting was terrible. Which makes it her best acting in the series.
    and 2) Reek had 10 fingers.

    Speaking of Reek, I am probably in the minority in that I didn’t take Yara’s last line to mean “Theon is dead to me”, but rather “He is so far gone that he isn’t Theon anymore”.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    I agree it shouldn’t went longer and had a more pressing reason for her to leave. Like maybe showing more men of the Dreadfort coming towards them or something. This was the shortest episode right? 1 more minute or so adding more danger. Perhaps more dogs as well. I didn’t like that they just cut to her running towards the boat.

    I don’t think it’s the travesty that many are saying it is though. Can’t agree with that.

  • I thought the Dreafort scene was great. It showed that Reek is now beyond help, sets up the Moat Cailin scene, added a bit of action to that story arc and helped imprint Yara in the TV viewers minds for next season, all in just over 5 minutes.

    Also, with the dog thing, there were 3 ironborn left in that room. Even if they killed the dogs, then they would be distracted enough to get killed by Ramsey and his crew. And obviously there escape was made easier by the fact the other 40 something ironborn were fighting the other boltons in the castle (hence the blood on ramsey, and the sound of battle)

  • My head practically exploded from awesome. Yara Greyjoy is a boss, Mark fucking Gatiss, and if Peter Dinklage doesn’t get an award, there will be trouble.

  • Based on the preview for next week.. why exactly do people think un-cat will be in the next episode? there is nothing at all that hints at that

  • Everything about the trial was just sensational and completely lived up to my imagining of it from the book. I may need to cool off for a while.. but calling it now just having seen it I think it may be my favourite episode of the entire series.

    Bryan Cogman, you are a golden god!

  • TNR:
    i never liked the fact that Shae testified against Tyrion, even in the books. i guess it’s part of George Martin’s plain evil world, but if you think about it:

    Of course she is a whore and will do a lot for money. But she is also a human being and she has spent years with Tyrion. She must have some kind of loving/friendship relationship with him. Furthermore, she always describes herself as brave and i don’t believe she would be intimidated by Cersei (she refused to leave King landing multiple times).

    I also don’t believe she would be so heart broken that she wants to revenge Tyrion. She would have to be very very evil if she wanted to kill him “just” because the way he treated her. Especially in the series, she seemed like a smart girl who would understand why Tyrion did and said what he had to.

    btw, i didn’t see the episode yet but this always confused me in the books.
    anyone agree with me or thinks she had another motivation to testify against him?

    I think she is angry with him for sending her away. I think she is angry with him for thinking about Sansa. i think she came back on her own to see what she could do to save him. I think she was captured and given an ultimatum by Cersei. I don’t think Tywin knew she was to testify or he would have stopped it given that he wanted Jaimie back, although I wouldn’t put the opportunity for humiliation past Tywin given what was done to Tysha.

    I think now that he has seen Shae he will take custody of her and question her himself. She will make the offer or be ordered to bed Tywin and he will accept to see what turned his son’s head so much.

    I never liked Book Shae so I only felt bad for Tyrion becoming homicidal. I will be interested to see how they handle this now that Shae appeared to genuinely love him in the show.

    Loved Yara’s scenes at the Dreadfort although I wondered what Ramsay was still doing there given that he had orders for Moat Cailin. I would have liked a few dead hounds and a more convincing escape, or a more obvious planning session about how little time they had to rescue Theon. Even capture and chase with her say diving off a cliff would have been fun.

    On the whole though I loved this episode almost as much as the Colonel Sandor’s Flayed Chicken episode (Two Swords).

  • WinterRy71:
    Based on the preview for next week.. why exactly do people think un-cat will be in the next episode? there is nothing at all that hints at that

    Can’t speak for others but I expect to see “Only Cat” next week based the previews (Lysa holding Sansa over the Moon Door) and the name of the episode – “Mockingbird” (which refers to Littlefinger). “Only Cat” is what he says when he pushes Lysa out the door. “UnCat” probably won’t appear until the season finale.

  • oohhh i confused the two that makes more sense, thx!

    mariamb: Can’t speak for others but I expect to see “Only Cat” next week based the previews (Lysa holding Sansa over the Moon Door) and the name of the episode – “Mockingbird” (which refers to Littlefinger). “Only Cat” is what he says when he pushes Lysa out the door.“UnCat” probably won’t appear until the season finale.

  • WinterRy71:
    Based on the preview for next week.. why exactly do people think un-cat will be in the next episode? there is nothing at all that hints at that

    You really wouldn’t want to hint at that in a preview. But in the previously on you might replay the Red Wedding. Then you could do a wolf warg and make people think it was Bran in Summer instead of Arya in Nymeria. Then you could have the BWB appear for a WTF moment with Thoros and Beric looking down at something by the water and then cut back to the Eeryie for only cat and trail Lysa down until she almost hits . Then have a moment be Lady Stoneheart opening her eyes and Lord Berric falling back and Arya snapping awake as the bounty hunters find them.

  • On another note, any idea who the ironborn with Yara for the entire scene was? He got to much action and screentime to be a simple extra, and he survived as well, so perhaps we might see more of him next season?

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Hodor’s Bastard, I agree. It was amazing, Tyrions performance and all the Kings Landing scenes. Aside from those I was not liking the rest. I was not moved by Davos’ or Yara’s speeches. I did not like how things went down between Yara and Ramsay. I am in the minority I guess.

  • I dont get this ‘strategy’ that Tyrion should call for mercy.
    Does calling for mercy imply you are guilty? Or can Tyrion still deny he did it, and then ask for mercy?

  • Oh my god that was good. Gave me chills and brought tears to my eyes, kudos Mr Dinklage. I also like the added layer of Margaery’s suspicion, she knows he didn’t do it, but she has to sit there and watch it unfold according to Cersei’s plan.

    Bryan Cogman just doesn’t fail to deliver, does he?

  • I’m calling bullshit.

    Great way at totally demeaning Yara by cutting to a unneeded sex scene with Ramsay while se was giving her speech.

    Seriously, was that scene needed?

    Tell me, what did that sex scene add to the story? I guess the thrones producer who said to Neil Marshall that he represents the prevent audience got his kicks.

  • TNR: i never liked the fact that Shae testified against Tyrion, even in the books. i guess it’s part of George Martin’s plain evil world, but if you think about it:
    Of course she is a whore and will do a lot for money. But she is also a human being and she has spent years with Tyrion. She must have some kind of loving/friendship relationship with him. Furthermore, she always describes herself as brave and i don’t believe she would be intimidated by Cersei (she refused to leave King landing multiple times).
    I also don’t believe she would be so heart broken that she wants to revenge Tyrion. She would have to be very very evil if she wanted to kill him “just” because the way he treated her. Especially in the series, she seemed like a smart girl who would understand why Tyrion did and said what he had to.

    There are many reasons for her to testify, in the show and the books. It’s hard to imagine her life would NOT be threatened by Cercei and/or Tywin if she did not testify as requested. The way the relationship is in the show, she already suspected Tyrion was trying to send her away, and their last scene together was, for her, a horrible wound and betrayal. Why risk her life for someone who *just* thought of her as a whore? A point Cercei/Tywin/whatev no doubt exploited.

    Also, though I doubt Shae’s testimony was part of a plot to ensure Tyrion lives (yeah errrrrr no), she might have been lead to believe as such: “If he isn’t found guilty, he’ll be murdered. If we ensure he is found guilty, we can grant him his life by sending him to the Wall.” Though I agree this is quite thin.

    As for why Tywin sleeps with Shae, I always took this as a demonstration of Tywin’s hypocrisy, his very cultivated veneer of righteousness just another shadow on the wall like so much else in this world. If he really felt about whores all he states for public consumption, Shae trying to seduce him to save Tyrion would only confirm his convictions, not the other way ’round. Seriously, can you imagine Tywin “giving in” to Shae’s persuasions if he did not desire them?

    The death of goats prior to baby BBQ is not inferred in the books–it is explicitly explained. This was a very obvious setup for later events. Hizdar’s plea for keeping “honored traditions” also felt like setup to return later and ask for reviving the tradition of the fighting pits. The only thing I missed from this scene was the crowding of petitioners in the throne room for the sole reason that how she handles each situation and the words she speaks is so much more important the more her new subjects are present to hear them.

    I agree Yara & co. did not run because Ramsey released one freakin’ dog. Theon is lost. The mission failed. Yara is smart enough not to throw her life away for something so pointless. The Ironborn fled instead of fighting and dying for their honor because they follow Yara’s orders. I also agree a few more shots would have bolstered this scene’s resolution, but Ramsey stroking Reek’s back in that bath was creepier than any of the torture he inflicted.

    Wasn’t there speculation that there is a scene between Yara and Melisandre sometime this season based on s4 preview footage? Mel speaking to someone with that side braid? I suppose it might be Selyse instead, based on next week’s view, but I recall many saying it was Yara in that shot.

    And I loved how the Starks were very present in this episode despite their absence, via trial testimony. Invoking the emotional invisible. Ahhhh, brilliant writing!

  • Kellie,

    Yeah, the theme of the Yara/Dreadfort/Reek/Ramsay scene was obvious and may indeed prove interesting later, but I thought its execution wasn’t on par with the other events within this overall captivating episode.

  • OMG what is happening to the show!?

    They´ve made Stannis into a beggar. Fu*king Stannis is being told around by some banker and he takes is silently so Davos has to speak up for him!?

    Tywinn Lannister all of the sudden is not at all concerned by 3 dragons, like he forgot the speech he have to Arya at Harrenhall about the power of dragons ?

    Daenerys stroyline is becoming a snooze fest already.

    And how the hell did Yara escape from Dreadfort? That scene and editing is Scifi channel quality not HBO.

  • GAME OF THRONES IS BACK ON ITS GAME!!!!!!! Holy crap!!! I actually have tears in my eyes, that was so incredible. HELLS YEAH!!!!

  • Cogman for president I guess? Most of the episode was good. If D&D were at his level the show would be a lot better.

    Dinklage was the man. The entire monologue and then the stare off with Charles Dance… Am I the only one who wanted Genna Lannister to randomly appear at that moment and tell everyone how Tyrion is Tywin’s true son? This is what happens when a writer remains true to the source!

    Still the Dink isn’t winning an emmy this year. The McConnaisance and Cranston will fight it out to the death.

    wycoff:
    Excellent episode with the glaring exception of the Dreadfort scene.There’s no way that it should have ended the way it did.Once Ramsay confronted Yara, one of them should have ended up dead.Yara’s whole speech focused on the fact that Ramsay’s continued existence was an insult to the Ironborn.He was barechested and outnumbered by fully armed and armored ironborn raiders.Logically, her men should have killed him and they should have taken Theon from the Dreadfort by force (knocking him unconscious if need be).

    this created an enormous inconsistency / plot hole.A blemish on an otherwise good episode.

    I agree. The only good thing about those scenes was Charlotte Hope ;) and that scene wasn’t long enough.

    Colonel Brandt: Why did you ask to be relieved of duty in France?
    Captain Stransky: I want to get the Iron Cross.
    Colonel Brandt: [reaching into his pockets] We can give you one of mine. We can even cast Mads Mikkelsen as Euron

  • TNR:
    I dont get this ‘strategy’ that Tyrion should call for mercy.
    Does calling for mercy imply you are guilty? Or can Tyrion still deny he did it, and then ask for mercy?

    Well, it doesn’t matter if Tyrion still denies he did it, like Tywin said they’ve basically already found him guilty, so that is what he is.
    Tyrion calling for mercy is what Tywin needs for him to do in order to justify sending him to the wall as opposed to just executing him. That’s why it’s strategic. Tywin doesn’t even need to believe that he is truly remorseful or anything, it’s just that if Tyrion is like ‘Up yours! I’m not begging for mercy!’ and refuses to accept their sentence (which is basically what he does), then Tywin can’t send him to the wall without appearing nepotistic. And of course, Tywin would probably be ok with exeduting him, but then he would lose Jaime, too, so he can’t.

  • ash: I wondered that as wellI was half expecting the shepherd to correct her and say ‘no my queen, this wasn’t a goat’ with the camera panning to show the skull of a child.Maybe that will be later.And I think Dany is learning that ruling is a lot harder, and more boring, than it looks from the outside.

    Yeah, that is my assumption – I think they are setting up for the scene with the bones of the child. That was a foreshadowing scene. I’m sure they will still have it.

    I loved that whole scene and how it showed how difficult being a ruler actually is. It was very well executed.

  • Easteros bunny: Tell me, what did that sex scene add to the story? I guess the thrones producer who said to Neil Marshall that he represents the prevent audience got his kicks.

    There’s actually a long tradition of intercutting sex scenes with another scene in film–don’t ask me why (Nicolas Roeg’s Don’t Look Now and Truffaut’s Shoot the Piano Player the most famous that come to mind). As for why it is necessary, many people believe Ramsey will add Myranda to his collection of bitches sometime soon, i.e. hunt her down like he did the other girl earlier this season.

    I assume showing their intimacy in this scene will make what might happen later that much more dread(fort)ful (d’oh!), not to emphasize (again) that Ramsey is sadistic, but that he is willing–even gleeful–to turn on those presumably so close to him. Perhaps this will show Reek that no matter how loyal he is, no one is safe with the Bastard of Bolton, no matter their devotion, setting up his ability to betray him later by rescuing fArya.

    I agree that the intercutting of this scene with Yara’s monologue was awkward–they could have shown it sequentially (Yara reads letter on approach, Ramsey/Myranda & L-cut to Ironborn attack)–but I don’t think it was there *just* to be a sex scene. Perhaps they were trying to set up some type of contrast, but I didn’t vibe with it. Still, it’s not something that ruined anything for me, but I also don’t set myself up to be ruined. :)

  • Gods, I just can’t watch the last minutes of the episode (although it’s probably the best part). Hurts too much. Can’t bring myself to do it.

    And that’s the most positive aspect of having Shae genuinely love Tyrion: The audience is much more emotionally invested when she stabs him in the back at the trial.

  • Veltigar,

    Most melodramatic episode since Kissed by fire.
    Hopefully this doesnt continue.
    I dont see how Dinklage will compete in lead actor category either.

  • Daniellica: Wasn’t there speculation that there is a scene between Yara and Melisandre sometime this season based on s4 preview footage? Mel speaking to someone with that side braid?

    Yeah, but I think it turned out to be from that scene with Melisandre and Shireen.

  • Peter dinklage’s performance in the trial is just brilliant , the speech at the end and the acting were close to perfection , his face in the closing scene just said everything , perfection.

  • Easteros bunny,

    At least in the show, she is portrayed much smarter than that. She really loved or cared for Tyrion and I find it more believable that she would indeed risk her life for him. Like i said before, she would hae to be made of pure evil if she’s going to help get him killed just because he called her a ‘whore’. Don’t you think she would understand where Tyrion is coming from and why he keeps sending her away (unfortunately by humiliating her)?

    Interesting point about Tywin’s hypocrisy, never noticed that. Shae succeeding in seducing him is not believable at all, and would not make Tyrion’s life any better either. That would be the second woman he falsely believes is betraying him.

    i really don’t wanna see tyrion kill her. it’s such a pain

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Here’s my case for why the Yara scene was not filler.Until now she had hope that she could rescue Theon and bring him home.After seeing him, she realizes he’s gone for good.That’s why she said “my brother is dead.”

    Maybe I’m grasping for straws, but I think this sets up Balon’s death sometime soon followed by a succession fight between the remaining Greyjoys next season.Vic and Euron are in.Mark my words.

    This was my exact reading. For the first time ever, I actually think we’re going to get the Queensmoot.

  • Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Yeah, the Tywin line “Dragons haven’t won a war in 300 years, and armies have been” or whatever was ridiculous. Ridiculously flawed logic, and something Tywin Lannister would never say.

    I think the added Yara and added Craster’s Bran story archs were just weird. I didn’t mind them in concept, and those characters definitely needed stuff to do to remind the audience they were still around, but they were just really odd little self-contained stories. I guess they gave the show a way to meet the violence quota, which once again, I am completely okay with.

  • When this season was promoted they hyped up that every episode is episode 9 quality.

    Apart from Joff snuffing it in episode 2, which set the wheels in motion, I think that this season has not strayed too far from the slow but certain build-up to a big climax formula, after all.

    Episode 3 was aftermath of the PW and episodes 4 and 5 midseason build-up. The main difference is that thanks to having the latter half of tSoS as the source material, the climaxes in the end of the season will be bigger. :)

  • I read somewhere in the internets that Mads Mikkelsen is playing Euron Greyjoy, so I think we will see a Kingsmoot, maybe this season

  • King DBC: I also like the added layer of Margaery’s suspicion

    Oh I will have to pay attention to that when I re-watch the show tonight. I remember her being shown, but didn’t pay any thought as to why. Thanks for the nudge!

  • Hoyti Von Totiy: OMG what is happening to the show!?

    Two things: it’s kicking ass, and a few internet lame-os are focusing on peripheral flaws as though that’s all there is.

  • Boojam: 36 episodes in … why in the seven hells have not the dragons been named yet?!

    Because we already have a ton of names unfamiliar to most people, and adding three more names so close to already existing characters (Drogo & Viserys, specifically) will only add confusion. Naming them at this point adds zero clarity and only accomplishes the appeasement of book-readers who keep screaming about this like it’s important.

  • Moom,

    I also read the sky is blue because we live in a giant’s eye….madds has another season of Hannibal to shoot its unlikely he will play crows eye.

  • Hodor Targaryen:
    The Yara scenes certainly served a purpose for both her character and Theon’s, and was not book reader’s favorite new word “filler”…BUT the scene wasn’t executed very well. It was a really rushed ending to what seemed like such a promising development at the end of last season. I kept wondering how they actually got out when they escaped, why Ramsay would let them out, why armored Ironborn (supposedly the badasses of Westeros) would be scared of dogs, and how the hell a shirtless Ramsay would survive that fight.

    I liked the buildup to it though (Yara’s reading of Ramsay’s letter) and the creepy bath scene between Ramsay and Theon.

    THIS^^
    My first thought was, “If they’re going to have her write him off already (negating her horror at seeing him in the snow outside Winterfell)then why not kill off Balon BEFORE she goes to rescue Theonthus setting up her claim at the Kingsmoot?” But I see how it works better this way, giving her more agency, and letting her badassery show. That said, the scene was still rushed and kinda…cartoonish at the end: “Rut Row, half naked man in a sword fight is sicking the dogs on us! Time to skeedaddle!” Especially given the short episode run time. My whole Unsullied family said, “Why is it done already? Too early!”
    I agree with the others who say Davos was great.Stannis HAS to be silent and stoic–that is true to his character. The IB relented because they see that Stannis is smart enough to balance his own stoicism with the practicality and passion of Davos as his No.1. Shame Liam’s great moment was overshadowed by PD’s absolutely riveting trial scene. And shout out to NCW for his “WTF are you doing??” faces.
    And extra kudos to the set and production designers. The IB set was a great cross between Roman imperialist and Robber Baron era Art Deco. Awesome!
    This was the best episode yet. They just keep getting better and better!
    All the dominoes are lined up for the roller coaster ride to the finale. The preview suggests that next week will be EPIC. Cannot wait!

  • Luka Nieto: tion which gave it such emotional impact, but it can happen in some way, I guess, just like the child’s bones. Now on Tywin i should just give up

    I would be completed shocked if they cut Tyshas’s story from the show. It is part of the reason he kills Tywin. They have rarely if ever left out truly important points like this. I mean he spends all of book 5 asking where whores go.

  • Theon is Dead to us? Pretty Dumb. They ran from the Dogs ? You can drop ALL the Ironborn stuff as far as I am concerned. And the Asshole Torturer.
    I realize the large Budgets required but 10 Episodes ? Not nearly enough. They are really cheating the Rabid Fanbase.
    And Stannis – now that is the way to get a Giant Bank loan. Turn your back on the People you are asking ?

  • Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Doesn’t make sense to me either. Cersei is calling the witnesses, not Tywin. There may have been collusion, but only to insure Tyrion was found guilty.

    If Jaime noticed how Tywin played the situation to his advantage to get Jaime to leave the King’s Guard, Tyrion picked up on it as well. The hurt on Tyrion’s face was not only because of Shae’s lying, but of how Tywin was using him as a pawn in his scheme to manipulate Jaime.

    It’s this hurt of being used that enrages Tyrion to the point of demanding a trial by combat in order to block Tywin’s scheme, not Shae’s testimony alone IMHO. Twyin underestimated Tyrion’s ability to puzzle this out so quickly under duress, and counter his move before it was too late.

  • fuelpagan,

    Totally agree with what you say. Tywin has always underestimated just how smart Tyrion is….I think he sussed out Tywin’s manipulation too. However, one little thing does give me pause…did you notice Shae’s reaction to his “confession”? She seemed confused and worried. What was she worried about? If she wanted to ensure he was declared guilty, a confession would have made her happy. Instead she seemed upset. Maybe she WAS testifying against him in a deal to have him sent to the Wall instead of execution. I’m not entirely sure now…her reaction just didn’t make sense to me.

  • Hoyti Von Totiy:
    And how the hell did Yara escape from Dreadfort? That scene and editing is Scifi channel quality not HBO.

    I thought it was more Charlie’s Angels quality than GoT. “Whew…we got out of that tight spot, didn’t we?” I demand a re-edit!

    Now I know why they renamed Asha to Yara. We just saw the difference between the two. The ironborn are now a Monty Python sketch….run away!..run away! The half-naked man with the cute dogs is taunting us! I hope he doesn’t set his killer rabbit free!

  • Anyone else getting the feeling that UnCat won’t happen? We’ve had no set up of it, no removal of the body from the river. No mention of Lady Stoneheart. And with ‘Only Cat’ next episode, no way to then cut from flying Lysa to her reborn sister? Seems as if it’s gone from the adaptation. And as you can tell by my name, that makes me upset.

  • Just rewatched with some Unsullied and they’re of the impression that Ramsay killed Myranda before coming down to fight off Yara. The blood didn’t particularly look like his own so I guess I could believe it. Obviously its different from the books anyway so anyone else think Myranda is gone?

  • Easteros Bunny, I’m right there with you that the sexy scene with Myranda/Ramsey seemed completely unnecessary. I only hope that the reason for it will turn out to be that Ramsey will soon set the dogs on her. Otherwise, it makes Ramsey seem kinda human to have a love interest, even is she is a sociopath, too! And it was kind of funny that after the previews of Ramsey all cut up, it turned out to be sex scratching!

    And I can’t remember who said it, but you are not alone in getting all excited about seeing Bravos in the opening credits–I totally ssqueeed! Loved the coin action. I also squeed for the glimpse of the Snow Winterfell! I watch with an unsullied friend, and she thinks I’m insane, so it’s good to visit here and see that I’m not alone!

  • An overall great episode, but I have serious problems with the Asha vs Ramsay plotline

    1.) How on earth did they go around the _whole_ continent (in less than 3 seasons’ time) unnoticed and unintercepted? Mallister fleet? Lannisport fleet Redwyne fleet? Shield Islands fleet? Dornish fleet? King’s Landing fleet? Velaryon fleet? Manderly fleet? NONE? Seriously???

    2.) The fight scene was as poor as ever in the show, unrealistic bullshit. Honestly, a half-naked man defeating people with shields and armor? Really??? It is quite okay in a random fantasy but in a show that places great stress on realism, these flashy but utterly unrealistic fighting scenes should be avoided. Supposing both parties have roughly the same combat experience, the ironborn would have in reality form a shiled wall and wheel the Boltons to the nearest corner where they’d hack them to as small bits as they please…
    3.) So what was this all about? Did they make this whole storyline full of holes, just to show that Theon is not himself any more? I am pretty sure there would have been much better ways (for example by repositioning the whole encounter to Moat Cailin in the first place)

  • Hodor’s Bastard:
    Kellie,

    Yeah, the theme of the Yara/Dreadfort/Reek/Ramsay scene was obvious and may indeed prove interesting later, but I thought its execution wasn’t on par with the other events within this overall captivating episode.

    I have to agree that it was all a set up for something to come, but awkwardly done. My initial gut reaction on first watch was, “well, that was stupid, Ramsey would NEVER let them get out of there alive.”

    But I also believe that the writers almost never include something that has absolutely no meaning or repercussions later. In that way, they’re actually a bit Like GRRM himself, as sometimes you have to wait years, (for the next book)or seasons for the payoff.

    and so for this scene, after re-watching it, and thinking about it a bit, I’m more convinced we’re getting the moot.

    I’m not going to spoiler code any of this, because this is the book readers thread and I’m not sure really of the rules here, but I think anything goes here, because you’ve been warned right off the top? If any mod thinks there’s something to be blacked out, then they can make that determination.

    This scene was one of those scenes I actually had to *think* about to make it work, but I think I sussed it out.

    bear with me.

    In the books, for a time, it is believed that Theon is dead. on the show, it is established right away that he is still alive. So for the show, the showrunners need to give reason to why Yara would challenge for the throne of Iron Islands whist she knows that the real heir is still alive. Hence why we got this scene, so Yara knows that Theon is truly lost, and she can challenge unencumbered by the knowledge that he’s alive and capable of being the heir.

    as for the awkward way it plays out and how she escapes:

    you have to remember they’re in the stables, not the castle. The stables would be removed from the actually castle, with a door to the outside courtyard or whatever, probably located near a main gate. During the fight in the stables Yara and her men win out near the door to the stables, so we have to assume she can get out of the stables easily, and since she’s there to rescue Theon, she’s probably already put men on the gate to have it open for a quick escape.

    As for Ramsey, well, Ramsey being Ramsey, he likes games, so of course instead of killing them right there in the stables he’s going to make a game of it and set the dogs on them. So he can chase them and have a laugh.

    But they get away. (because they have to to have a story and set up the next bits of the Ironborn parts of this story).

    Is it full of plot holes? Yeah. How were the Ironborn not discovered on approach, long before reaching the keep? How did they get in to a fortified keep so easily? Just how many men are stationed at the Dreadfort? I mean, you can drive yourself crazy trying to answer all these questions, you just have to believe it’s all possible (and it is, you can answer those questions if you think about it). The writers just don’t have enough time to establish answers for all of that. you just gotta BELIEVE.

    So I’ve come to the conclusion that Balon’s Brothers are in, The Kingsmoot is in. and also, we’re going to see Balon die, and soon. Maybe even next episode?

  • Ser Davos Seaworth,

    but maybe she’ll scream loudest when ramsay sets his dogs on her…

    I think we will see this and here’s how….she seemed so jealous of the girl they hunted that when they introduce “fake arya”, she’ll be so jealous and get in the way of Ramsey’s marriage and ambitions and then she’ll become hunt fodder. Also, did you notice how she was choking him out during sex? Those two seem to be a match made in hell.

  • Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Agreed. He knows how much this will hurt him. If he was truly pleased with the ‘deal’ he made with Jaime he would have called Shae off. But I think he was playing an even longer game, and gets two birds with one stone: Jaime at Casterly Rock and his embarrassment of a son dead.

  • Standozone:
    Leo,

    Here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY43QSx3Fk#t=54

    Thanks, the first shot of Yara is exactly like the one in the 4×06 preview except night and day. The side view of her rowboat, I’m not sure if it was in 4×06. Hard to say. The Ramsay/Myranda slap in the first trailer didn’t happen, either. And I would’ve thought Cersei’s “You’ll fight over him like beasts” would’ve already happened.

  • AnneMarie Bowman:
    This scene was one of those scenes I actually had to *think* about to make it work, but I think I sussed it out.

    That’s the problem with the scene. You know what they were trying to accomplish but you had to really think hard to get from A to B during the scene. I agree with your (and others’) “sussing it out” but there were too many nonsensical moments in that scene to avoid ridicule.

    Regarding the stables…they climbed over a massive stone wall to a castle structure. They may have ended up in the stables but they were within the Dreadfort at the beginning of the attack. Did they leave the same way that they entered? Just believe it and it will be true! That’s the ticket! :)

    (Sorry for the grandstanding…I really did like the episode on the whole)

  • So did Stannis leave Mel, Selyse, & Shireen behind on Dragonstone. And does Stannis really have 4000 men or was that a little falsehood; did they sail with him to Bravos? Also while Tywin is a bit concerned about Dany, no mention of Stannis vacating Dragonstone; isn’t he concerned about him as well.

    WE NEED MORE STANNIS D&D!

  • Wish there had been more Iron Born/Dreadfort material. There is still another Yara action scene, the one where she rams a spear through someone and the door. So we will see more of her this season.

  • Jackol,

    And converting her death at Tyrion’s hands (assuming it plays out the same way) into a more romantic tragedy of misunderstanding than the reaction-in-the-moment of Tyrion to the multiple revelations experienced as they are in the books … I wouldn’t be a fan.

    Ditto on that a 1000 percent!

  • Tatters,

    Pyke is situated in the Sunset Sea, while the Dreadfort is on the Eastern part of the North (neighbouring the Shivering Sea – although nowhere near the coast), it is clearly seen in the intro.

    And since the westerosi equivalent of the Panama Canal has not been built…

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    I still don’t understand why Ramsay was covered in blood…

    I honestly don’t believe that Ramsay limits himself to missionary or reverse cowgirl positions during sex. He’s probably a little more adventurous…involving all sorts of bodily fluids and gadgets…

  • Jackol:
    On book-Shae motivations:

    With book-Shae it was easy to believe that ultimately she cared very little for Tyrion.It was advantageous for her to make Tyrion fall for her, but it was simple manipulation on her part.In the end, Tywin could make a very easy case that he could make her life more comfortable and more secure.Tywin himself making use of Shae’s services after forbidding Tyrion doing so was simple hypocrisy and completely believable.Those who sermonize on morality or appearances are frequently those who transgress against their own standards.

    Show-Shae is more problematic because they built her up as having genuine feelings for Tyrion.They will have to play it very cleverly to make the outcome believable given they will have to significantly change her motivations.

    Trying to somehow play that she does what she does to nobly ‘save’ Tyrion doesn’t sound like it would work to me.And converting her death at Tyrion’s hands (assuming it plays out the same way) into a more romantic tragedy of misunderstanding than the reaction-in-the-moment of Tyrion to the multiple revelations experienced as they are in the books … I wouldn’t be a fan.

    I guess we’ll see soon enough.

    we will see soon enough, but right now it really feels like they’re going with her betraying him after he betrayed her, period. How she ends up in Tywin’s chambers, that’s another thing that’s not clear. But right now we don’t have any sense that she’s trying to “save” him in anyway. Right now it seems like it’s headed toward a bad end in general that makes her motivations all too clear.

  • Meanwhile, we’re six episodes in, and while the “watching that vicious bastard die…” line is a high contender for “Line of the Year,” we still don’t have any comers that can best the Hound in the premiere for Quip of the Year with his “I understand if any more words come out of your cunt mouth, I’m going to eat every fucking chicken in this room.”

    In fact, the competition for best quip of the year might end up just being the Hound competing against himself, with one or two Lady Olenna lines thrown in (“I’ll fling myself from this cliff…”)

  • AnneMarie Bowman: So I’ve come to the conclusion that Balon’s Brothers are in, The Kingsmoot is in. and also, we’re going to see Balon die, and soon. Maybe even next episode?

    All this is nicely stated. I think it could have done with one line of dialogue, where Ramsey says to her something about how “I know you could fight off one dog…but two dogs, and me, and my men…all for someone who doesn’t want to come with you?” Something like that.

    And this bumped the odds of Euron/Victarion up to about 60 percent for me, still short of Dorne (85 pct), but D&D have still not eliminated any major plotlines yet, and I don’t see them starting. Plus, if I’m correct, and the Choosing of the Lord Commander comes in Season 5 Episode 1, it would make for a great juxtaposition to have that and Kingsmoot in that episode, and make for a very focused premiere similar to Episodes 2 and 6 this year.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    I definitely get where you’re coming from, I had (have?) problems with it also. I still think it was very awkward way to get where they want to get to storywise, but I’m ok with it after thinking about it.

    I’m one of those people who isn’t a book purist, but I’m also not a 100% “lick the writers balls” all the time either. I’m somewhere in the middle.

    I love the show, I think 90% of the time it’s doing a great job. 10% of the time I just shrug and say “well, i didn’t like that, but whatever.”

  • Shock Me,

    I don’t think Tywin knew she was to testify or he would have stopped it given that he wanted Jaimie back, although I wouldn’t put the opportunity for humiliation past Tywin given what was done to Tysha.

    EXCEPT remember in the wedding episode, Tywin told Cersei to bring her to the Tower of the Hand before the wedding? Tywin most definitely planned her testimony.

  • All the things you didn’t liked this season were related to sex scenes, you have a problem with that dude.

  • GreatJon of Slumber,

    Right now it seems like it’s headed toward a bad end in general that makes her motivations all too clear.

    Except for her reaction to Tyrion’s “confession” at the end. On a re-watch, she is upset that he is confessing and she’s confused. Why would she feel that way? 99% of me thinks it’s a straight up “I hate him and I’m going to make him pay” thing and the other 1% is thinking about her expression at the end.

  • Amanda M,

    OMG that is going to break my heart too! I can’t get enough Jaime & I think he deserves to have at least one good, decent, loving relationship in his life.

  • I’m so disappointed in Stannis–he couldn’t muster up any eloquence at all to pitch his cause to the Bank. A king needs to be more loquacious and charismatic. So far tree stumps and ex-smugglers have more charisma than this guy. Geez….is he ever going to grow as a character?

  • Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Her confusion comes over the fact that Tyrion is NOT confessing to the murder, which suggests that it is Cersei that is manipulating her–threatening her life (and of course, Tyrion’s), not Tywin. Cersei’s game is simply to ensure that Tyrion DIES. Lying to Shae that Tyrion will only get mercy if she does as she’s told and helps convict him is a very simple ploy that has Cersei written all over it. Cersei already suspects that Tywin will try to find a way out of killing Tyrion, thus her submissive and manipulative talk with Daddykins. Tywin wants Tyrion convicted, but “Walled.” Remember that he already controls 2 of the 3 votes on the council. It’s rigged. It doesn’t matter how damning the evidence is, Tyrion will be “Walled.” It’s a bonus (that Tywin apparently anticipated) that Jaime would offer to quit the Kingsguard. He already knows that Cersei is out for blood because she’s such a bad player of the game that she TOLD Tywin that. Tyrion confounds them both by requesting the only option left for him that just happens to have worked in the past–trial by combat. Only his trust in and betrayal by Bronn remains to send him over the edge. All of this makes perfect sense and sets up his rage later at being manipulated by ALL of the people who are supposed to LOVE him. I don’t get the confusion/hate over this.

    It was a great series of scenes, acting by all was lovely, and neatly sets up all that is to come in the books while staying true to the characters as portrayed on screen. BCog and D&D are rocking it in King’s Landing!

  • Aiddon:
    Also, anyone else get the idea that maybe Tywin was just using this trial as a way to get Jaime to Casterly Rock? That spiel he says to Jaime just sounded HORRENDOUSLY rehearsed.

    Oh yeah–big time. That scene was all about everything unfolding as Tywin intended, taking full advantage of the situation. Another note about it: Andy Greenwald speculated in his review that Tywin is fully aware of his grandchildren’s parentage and that the line about Jaime fathering children “named Lannister” was a nod to that. I still think Tywin’s in denial about it, but that does add another layer to the scene.

    Pedro Pascal is killing it–besides Tyrion’s monologue, Oberyn’s were the scenes I couldn’t wait to re-watch. Great line about the Unsullied and the bedroom, and OMG at his balls in the courtroom (“Did you?”). Also liked how he sort of went still and as serious as he’s likely to be (in the open) when Tyrion butted in with what Meryn was doing to Sansa. Loved every second of it.

    And Mark Gatiss was fab, just as expected! Overall, great, great stuff and due for another re-watch (though, yeah, I’ll skip the Dreadfort confusion). Cogman+Sakharov wins everytime.

  • Ashara D,

    I don’t get the confusion/hate over this.

    Don’t get me wrong…I loved, loved, loved every second of it! Truly did…I was just trying to figure out the subtle undercurrents of what was going on. I had everything figured out (and all of it was confirmed in the Cogman interview) except Shae’s confusion. But I’m not complaining…not by any means. :)

  • I loved the episode, particularly the Iron Bank. Ser Davos trying to explain Stannis’ code as something that a bank would value was great! And it really connected with last week’s revelation that the Lannister’s are in debt.

    Tyrion’s “confession” was so perfect – a great combination of rage, betrayal, grief. The actors integrate so much of the POV stuff in the books into their performances.

    I’m happy that Varys’ spies didn’t notice a young girl traveling with the Hound.

    I like TV Hizdahr better than book Hizdahr. His character makes more sense.

    My only complaint is the Yara rescue. I wish they had left it out. It ruins the shock she gets when she sees him again after his escape from Winterfell. It is one of the few book changes that I don’t get.

  • Mister Stoneheart:
    Anyone else getting the feeling that UnCat won’t happen?We’ve had no set up of it, no removal of the body from the river.No mention of Lady Stoneheart.And with ‘Only Cat’ next episode, no way to then cut from flying Lysa to her reborn sister?Seems as if it’s gone from the adaptation.And as you can tell by my name, that makes me upset.

    There’s been a few mentions of Catelyn this season and Sansa even said they threw in the river. There are hints it’s happening. I’m guessing the next Brienne and Pod scene will consist of them hearing rumors of the BWB taking vengeance on those involved in the RW

  • Whenever grande storytelling is needed…
    Whenever bland tv strikes…
    Never fear!
    The Cog Man is near!

  • GreatJon of Slumber,

    thanks for the “nicely stated.” :)

    I agree The choosing of LC comes next early season. I think we’ll have Dorne and The Iron Islands stuff, albeit in some kind of truncated form. We have to. So much of the books go there, it could never be totally cut out.

    but this is a discussion for next year. :)

  • Unbowed Unbent UnHodor: in regards to episode 7 is anyone else really mad that only cat is happening this early? I thought it would of been an ep 10 moment. I wanted to see more of lysa :( really pissed off by this.

    YES!!! Seeing that in the preview totally killed the high I was on after this awesome episode :( I was really hoping they would do “Only Cat” and then Lady Stoneheart as the final two scenes of the season. It seems so weird to dump the awesome climax of the book in episode 7 but I guess they didn’t have anything else shocking to use…

    Do you guys think we will get “Only Cat” and then they will still save the Stoneheart reveal for episode 10, or will they both be in the next episode? Lady Stoneheart seems like too good of a cliffhanger for the season to pass it up, but those two scenes go so well together it would be a shame to see them split up…

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger: There’s been a few mentions of Catelyn this season and Sansa even said they threw in the river.There are hints it’s happening.I’m guessing the next Brienne and Pod scene will consist of them hearing rumors of the BWB taking vengeance on those involved in the RW

    I thought that they would mention the random attacks on Lannister/Frey troops by the BwB and/or wolfpacks during the small council meeting but no candy for the Sullied was handed out, sadly.

  • So are they trying to tell me that Ironborn can cut through grown ass men with full armor, swords, dirks, and daggers, but they run away from dogs. Sorry not buyin’ what your sellin’. Tyrion stole the show, but Davos and the Iron Bank was awesome, and Dany dragons in the field. Everybody was on the egde of there seats waiting to see if that kid was getting scorched, and when he came in witht that bag I though for sure I was going to see some human bone. Hizdar was great. Love that casting. I think he should swtich roles with the guy that plays Dario.

  • I’m totally excited that “Only Cat” is slated for next week, except that Lysa is so batshit bonkerballs that I will miss her dearly. Think about ALLLLL THE STUFF that is going to go down in episode 10 (Tyrion’s escape, killing of Shae and Tywin, Jamie reveal to Tyrion about Tysha and the intense emotional farewell between them with Tyrion claiming to have killed Joff, and that’s just in KL!)–would we really want to add anymore shock onto that? Too much in one place will just cause them all to detract from one another.

    Keeping with the pacing of this season, I think it’s placed perfectly in “Mockingbird.”

  • AnneMarie Bowman,

    I’m not sure that the scene was particularly awkward; it’s just that, she really did sail all around the continent for an apparently pointless mission. I understand the significance of the scene for both characters, and it was directed well, but logistically the set up and fallout of it are improbable and elaborate for not much plot resolution.

    It seems like the show’s narrative is starting to break apart with its time frames now, I think. Stretching some main events from book 3 across season 4 has really weirded things out. Like, I guess Roose “smuggled himself into his own lands” from the Twins between season 3 episode 10 and season 4 episode 2, and then left again back south past Moat Cailin to the Twins where his armies are, and Yara just got to the Dreadfort now after leaving from Pyke season 3 episode 10. Conclusion: Roose Bolton has a jetpack?

    And also, what’s with the distances around the Wall? 60 miles from Castle Black to Craster’s Keep, according to Jon Snow. After season 3 episode 9 and Jon Snow’s escape from the Wildlings, Tormund sends a dude over the Wall back to Mance for reinforcements; those reinforcements, the Thenns, arrive in season 4 episode 1 already south of the wall (approaching Tormund’s group from the South because they also had time to take a “detour”???) while Bran (already on the other side of the wall by episode 10 of season 3) only arrives at Craster’s Keep by episode 4 of season 4. Conclusion: Thenns (and the Wildling scout that Tormund sent back over the Wall) have jetpacks.

    These inconsistencies are really taking me out of the story recently. Especially, like in the case of Roose showing up at the Dreadfort for a single episode and then leaving again, he didn’t actually do anything except give Ramsey a mission which could have been sent more easily by a raven, or just through Locke. Or in the case of Yara, where literally she just has to sail all the way around Westeros again to get back to the Iron Islands so that the real plot there can begin in season 5. Even though I liked the scenes themselves it’s trying on my immersion.

  • So do we think Dany’s arc will end with Jorah’s betrayal and chaining the dragons? No uplifting season ending for her then! And although Tyrion’s ending will be badass it is hardly uplifting either. What will our big finish be? LS or Bran?!

    And again, how brilliant was Peter Dinklage. And Alfie. Amazing performances.

  • Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ:
    Shock Me,

    I don’t think Tywin knew she was to testify or he would have stopped it given that he wanted Jaimie back, although I wouldn’t put the opportunity for humiliation past Tywin given what was done to Tysha.

    EXCEPT remember in the wedding episode, Tywin told Cersei to bring her to the Tower of the Hand before the wedding?Tywin most definitely planned her testimony.

    I think Tywin wanted Shae for other reasons than a trial given that at the time he ordered her brought to the Tower of the Hand Joffrey wasn’t dead yet. Plotting her testimony so early would suggest he was in collusion with the Queen of Thorns along with Littlefinger.

  • I wonder if Martin is hitting himself over the head for not having Tywin use Tyrion’s trial as leverage over Jaime to leave the Kingsguard In the book? ;) I really liked that change

    On another note is anyone blown away by Pedro Pascal”s portrayal of Oberyn & don’t want to see him go? I think he is awesome to have him around.

  • Daniellica:
    I’m totally excited that “Only Cat” is slated for next week, except that Lysa is so batshit bonkerballs that I will miss her dearly. Think about ALLLLL THE STUFF that is going to go down in episode 10 (Tyrion’s escape, killing of Shae and Tywin, Jamie reveal to Tyrion about Tysha and the intense emotional farewell between them with Tyrion claiming to have killed Joff, and that’s just in KL!)–would we really want to add anymore shock onto that? Too much in one place will just cause them all to detract from one another.

    Keeping with the pacing of this season, I think it’s placed perfectly in “Mockingbird.”

    Yeah, I don’t know why people are upset. The finale will also probably include

    Chaining up angry dragons

    Jon becoming Lord Commander

    Bran and co. fighting wights and/or white walkers to get into Bloodraven’s cave
    The possible death of the HoundAnd of course the LS reveal

    I’m glad to be getting something big next week instead of everything in episode 10.

  • Jon Blackfyre: So are they trying to tell me that Ironborn can cut through grown ass men with full armor, swords, dirks, and daggers, but they run away from dogs. Sorry not buyin’ what your sellin’.

    They run away from grown ass men with full armor, swords, dirks, and daggers (who were just the vanguard of what was to come, now that they cloak-and-dagger operation had failed) and a bunch of bloodhounds, who would stop at nothing to rip their throats out.

  • That was an awesome episode, but I still think Oathkeeper is better this season. This episode is still near the top 5 overall though and almost all of it was thanks to Tyrion’s trial. Exemplary acting and that face on Tyrion when Shae was introduced as a witness was fantastic, and her whole sequence was heartbreaking. Peter’s finest acting to date and one of the finest scenes of the whole series.

    Braavos was very good as well (apart from maybe Davos with Salladhor Saan) and the small council scene was golden. Mace being all proud at having a place in the council and then having to fetch Tywin’s quill and paper (but he did that proudly as well!), and I liked to finally get a mention of Dany. I would guess that Tywin will get a message to her that Jorah has been spying without it seeming to be from him, somehow.

    Hizdahr was great as well – he had more personality in that scene alone than I remember him having as a total in the books. The next time we see a goatherd with a sack of bones it will be child bones.

    The only scenes that didn’t click for me was Ramsay+Myranda during Yara’s great speech, their easy escape from the Dreadfort and Ramsay+Theon afterwards, although Alfie’s acting was stellar.

  • I liked everything except:
    – Yara’s scene. Looks like they decided to abandon the deviation from the books and they rished it.
    – the part where Hizdahr zo Loraq make his appeareance. The dialogue with Daenerys is not very well played.
    – I am sorry to tell this but I was disappointed by the final part of Peter Dinklage’s performance. I see that people call it here phenomenal, but I would call it mediocre. It appeared forced and not powerful as I would except from him.

    Hodor.

  • Okay, every Unsullied I’ve watched with/read reactions from really enjoyed the Dreadfort scene, so maybe it’s just irritating to us Sullied for a broad variety of reasons. On rewatch I found it much less jarring and awkward. Before running off, Yara stares long and hard at Theon. She’s not concerned about a stupid dog. She’s lost her brother and has to reconcile that within herself before getting the frak outta there.

    As far as I’m concerned, if I’m on the fence about something but it makes sense/is entertaining for Unsullied, it gets a pass. Book readers receive so many little nods and our perspective of how-things-should-be is SO skewed, as long as a scene doesn’t leave Unsullied behind we should bite our tongues and deal with it. I can’t even imagine the nightmare of adapting this massive beast, and there are so many levels they have to consider for every scene and character and thread, managing the quality and fidelity and sheer badassery consistently blows my mind.

    …and before everyone gets all pissy I am not saying anyone has to agree with me. :)

    And also the Iron Bank scene–it is just not about Davos convincing them Stannis is an honorable man of his word, but that they will never get their money back under Lannister rule. If they couldn’t get their money out of Tywin, they’re sure as hell not getting it back from Cercei (who controls Tommen). The Iron Bank is known to fund the enemies of those who owe them gold. Davos is helpfully pointing this out while demonstrating the extremes Stannis will go toward the repayment of debts.

  • “Come brothers!! Your Prince has been captured! He is being tortured! THIS MUST NOT STAND!!!”

    Then:

    “My name is Reek!”
    and
    “I’ll let the dogs loose…”

    “Oh, okay, nevermind. Let’s go, guys.”

  • I just noticed that the shot of Yara and her Ironborn paddling by some lush forest in the trailer is actually also in the episode, although heavily edited to look like nightfall!

  • Carne,

    So we have no unaired trailer footage of Yara, but I would still guess she’s set to make at least 1 more appearance.

  • First of all OMG THIS EPISODE WAS AMAZING BUT SO SHORT, SURELY ONE OF THE BEST EVER

    and um for people on the Yara scenes:

    1) Ramsay couldn’t and wouldn’t kill or capture her… he needs to get Moat Cailin by bartering with Ironborn, he HAD to let her go

    2) Yes she took the castle with 20 men, it perfectly mirrors Theon taking Winterfell in the books

    3) If Yara saved Theon, it would ruin her whole book plot. If Yara lost then it’d ruin hers and Theon’s entire book plot. If these scenes never happened (+ the one in 3×10 setting it up) we’d just randomly see Yara in season 5 without seeing her since her 3 episodes in season 2

    4) Completes the Reek transformation, right in time for Moat Cailin

    5) DID YOU HEAR HER SPEECH! I love Yara, and I love Ramsay

  • Also I don’t think the Tysha revelation is gonna be the Tysha revelation

    I think it’ll be more along the lines of

    Jaime: I betrayed you and took Shae to my father, because we know it involves Bronn, and who’s Bronn’s new friend? That definitely fills in the hole created around Shae’s disappearance.
    Not to mention the audience doesn’t even know Tysha’s name

  • It’s gotten to the point now where me and my dad literally laugh at Emilia Clarke’s acting. I mean even the guy in this episode talking about his crucified father was better than her. That seems like a bit of a problem for such a significant character. Amazing episode tho. DINKLAGE…

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yea, I didn’t quite get that. Its not how I expected her character to react. Perhaps she was just a bit shocked to see Theon in that kind of shape? Although, Alfie gave a really great performance. Kudos to both him and Peter.

  • ”My father told me not to laugh at cripples;
    but he also told me, aim for their heads!” – Ramsay Snow

    Seriously Dany is so weird it is funny.

  • Michael,

    Can someone explain “only cat“? Is this referring to Littlefinger tossing Lysa out the moondoor and is un-cat – Lady Stoneheart ?

  • i’m curious how much more of a storm of swords will be shown this season, as in how many more famous deaths we will see

  • Albero,

    Yaras campaign osnt over yet, it is still left Moat Cailin.
    It would also seem Tyrion put on some sort of act.
    Typical armor technique from Tyrion.

  • Moom,

    “only cat” refers to Lysa’s death, as she demands Littlefinger tell her who he loves, and he replies something like “I’ve only ever loved one woman… only cat” and then pushes her

  • How could they ruin such an AWESOME episode with that PATHETIC Yara bullshit :(

    Totally ruined it for me, until Tyrion last speech saved it….but what could have been a 10/10 is just…not

  • Amazing episode, probably the best of the season (and one of the best of the series). Cogman and Sakharov are my favorite GoT combo.

    -They nailed the trial! Shae’s betrayal, Tyrion’s speech… such great acting. I didn’t expect them to cover the whole trial in one episode, and so early, but it was so well done.

    -The Yara/Ramsay confrontation worked for me. It was exciting and intense! It was definitely a little clumsy how it suddenly cut to her running away outside, but that’s a minor complaint.

    -Of course I loved Braavos, and the scene with Davos and the Iron Bank. Glad they finally showed Davos’s fingers.

    -Also, I LOVED STANNIS’S NEW SIGIL! I always disliked the disembodied stag head, with goofy antlers that looked more like a moose. This new sigil on his ship sails was a huge improvement, IMO, and I hope they stick with it.

    5 out of 5

  • Where did Pycelle get the necklace from? Didn’t Sana bring it with her to Littlefinger’s ship?

  • Max:
    Where did Pycelle get the necklace from? Didn’t Sana bring it with her to Littlefinger’s ship?

    Pycelle said they found it on Dontos’ body. Littlefinger is the one who had the necklace made to begin with. He either had someone bring the necklace back to the body, or he had two necklaces made. Either way, planting it on Dontos was planned.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    In the beginning of the 3. episode LF wipes the necklace over the railing of his ship and it lands in the boot with Dontos (so technically it was not on, but nearby his body, but lets give old Picale a break ;)).
    I think it’s save to asume, that the boot with Dontos and the neckless was found by a search party.

  • Joshua Atreides,

    This gives me a bit of hope, since I’m not sure anymore about the onscreen details. Shae’s scenes, last night really tugged at the heart and punched hard in the gut at the same time. I felt betrayed at that moment, even though I know better. Thanks for waking me , Muad’ Dib .

  • Excellent. Top 3 of the entire series for me! Question: with the rains of castamere playing at shows end, am I to conclude that Tywin will be going for a “dump” (so to speak), next episode. Or is that too soon? Otherwise I’m not sure who that music would be playing for. Any thoughts would welcome.

  • GreatJon of Slumber,

    Oh, come on. How did he betray her? By trying to send her away in order to save her life? He’s been trying to do that since she came to KL. And if we are to believe that she genuinely loved him then she ought to have understand his motives for calling her a whore and not hold a grudge like a 5 year-old.

  • quick question for book readers watching this show, will add spoilers, though i don’t think it’s really a spoiler

    do you remember if they had a scene with the raven signaling the end of summer, and if so, will they have the scene with the raven signaling the beginning of winter? i feel like we’ve been hearing “winter is coming” for so long, would be nice to get a visual confirmation.

  • Dear God, why are bookreaders such hypocrites. Its like they cant believe George did not make the show.
    Im giving up. Its over. They will make noises until the day GoT gets cancelled, only then will they be satisfied.

  • johnnytata,

    I expect we will see that in the same way/at the same time as in the books: When Varys kills Pycelle and Kevan, likely in the finale of S5 or within the first few episodes of S6.

  • Johan Sporre,

    RE: the Jorah reveal
    I think that perhaps Tywin will send the note to Barristan offering to take him back if he’ll spy for them “just like Jorah.” That way, it can still be Barristan that outs Jorah so that Dany depends more on Barristan in the future and we can get Storytime with Uncle Barry.

  • Yeah, yeah, yea, blah blah blah… While nothing you’re saying is untrue, it doesn’t mean it was handled well. The Yara/Ramsey scene was awkward and poorly done. No real getting around that.

    House Mormont:
    and um for people on the Yara scenes:

    1) Ramsay couldn’t and wouldn’t kill or capture her… he needs to get Moat Cailin by bartering with Ironborn, he HAD to let her go

    2) Yes she took the cstle with 20 men, it perfectly mirrors Theon taking Winterfell in the books

    3) If Yara saved Theon, it would ruin her whole book plot. If Yara lost then it’d ruin hers and Theon’s entire book plot. If these scenes never happened (+ the one in 3×10 setting it up) we’d just randomly see Yara in season 5 without seeing her since her 3 episodes in season 2

    4) Completes the Reek transformation, right in time for Moat Cailin

    5) DID YOU HEAR HER SPEECH! I love Yara, and I love Ramsay

  • johnnytata:
    what is the LS reveal, cab’t keep up with acronyms

    LS stands for Lady Stoneheart so the LS reveal is when we discover that Cat (now called unCat by bookreaders) is still “alive” and quite transformed.

  • Not sure where else to ask this, so here goes. Re: the previews for next episode. As a spoiler rather than book reader, as I understand it the Hound is due to be seriously injured in a fight at an inn and left for dead by Arya fairly soon. Bearing this in mind, the thing that really struck me about the trailer was a brief shot of him where he looked like he wasn’t wearing armour (or at least the top half which is probably the more useful), which I don’t remember seeing before. As he’s recently given Arya a speech about the importance of always wearing it (or words to that effect), now has a – presumably rather large – bounty on his head, if he didn’t already, and they’ve already had an inn punch-up, does anyone think this is pointing to an ironic bloody-hell-I’ve-been-grievously-injured-by-not-following-my-own-advice-learn-from-my-mistake near or possibly fatal wounding next week. So his downfall is caused by being caught unawares rather than too drunk too fight properly as I think is the case in the books. Or am I reading too much into that and barking up the wrong tree entirely (sorry bad pun not intended but can’t think of a better phrase at the moment).

  • Time for me to eat crow. I was openly critical of Peter’s performance a few days ago. That was so wrong. He totally nailed it with this trial. Peter’s performance was so brilliant that he left Charles Dance in the shadows, and that’s not an easy thing to do, is it? Different topic: I’m glad that D&D are going to build up the mountain’s character before title episode 8, but I wish that they had started that process earlier this season.

  • Guy,

    I am only replying to your comment as it includes my chosen forum name. On a more serious note, I have read discussions where people were saying that a water dancer (that’s right right?) can’t also be a faceless man. Maybe I am wrong. And I kinda hope I am, as I absolutely love Syrio Foreeeel and would love a comeback!

  • Cannot wait to see who goes up for and against Tyrion in the combat. Although the title of Episode eight may be a giveway. But I would love to see the Mountain and the Viper go at it!

    Also, need a Gendry update!

  • The meeting with Davos & Salladhor Saan didn’t have to be in a brothel surrounded by naked women. Don’t get me wrong I thoroughly approve of naked women in general. But why do the writers HAVE to put at least one scene with tits in it!

    They could have easily met in a pub or coffee shop (whatever the Bravos equivalent is), on the docks, or Salladhor’s boat?

  • Maybe next season a big focus will be on women rulers, or women trying to rule – Yara, Cersei, Danerys. And if they follow the books, the arcs for all three will end in failure, while Arya, Sansa, Brienne go a different way, to say the least, from traditional leadership. Ruling is hard!

  • garbargle,

    Agreed with your comment: re the Braavos bankers changing their mind due solely to some fangirling from Davos. No self-repsecting Wall Streeter would have been moved by “hey, he’s an honest guy.” I was expecting they would send him and Stannis away, then Tywin is killed, and then in the last episode of the season change their minds and back Stannis since the Lannisters would no longer look like a good bet. But, you know, the Braveheart Speech of Motivation ™ always wins in TV-land…

  • Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    for me, this scene and the earlier season one of Miranda and Ramsay hunting just make me want to scream: Whyyyyy? I don’t give a rat’s ass about Ramsay — Roose is awesome but mainly because of the actor, IMO. So many other characters would benefit from the extra screentime. We got some of the most brilliant non-book scenes with Tywin/Arya, Cersei/Robert, etc so the writers can obviously write them and write them well. I know they’re doing everything they can to pad out Alfie Allen’s screentime to keep the actor, but at this point, it’s getting ridiculous. Husband and I keep ffwding over the Theon scenes because it’s nothing new (I’d swap a bathtime Theon/Ramsay scene for just about any other character), the torture porn isn’t interesting and I couldn’t care less about Ramsay’s bonding with a random that he may or may not hunt later. Gimme more Tywin, Stannis, Cersei, Tyrion, Arya, Sansa, Varys, Littlefinger…or a taste of other side-plots and minor characters that may/may not be important later. Anyone but boring stupid Ramsay with his wide-eyed IMMA GONNA CUT YA and Theon with his shaking and muttering and all the interviews with Allen where he seems to think he’s giving an acting master class. BORING.