HBO releases details on the June episodes of Game of Thrones Season Four
By Lightbringer on in News.

HBO has issued a press release revealing synopses for the episodes of Game of Thrones Season Four that will air in June. These final three episodes of the season will air after the Memorial Day weekend break in May, and promise to be action packed, ending with a grand finale like we haven’t seen before. Details for episodes eight through ten after the break.

Episode #38: “The Mountain and the Viper”
SUNDAY, JUNE 1 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT)
Unexpected visitors arrive in Mole’s Town; Littlefinger’s motives are questioned; Ramsay tries to prove himself to his father; Tyrion’s fate is decided.
Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Alex Graves.

Episode #39: “The Watchers on the Wall”
SUNDAY, JUNE 8 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT) 
Jon Snow and the Night’s Watch face a big challenge.
Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Neil Marshall.
 
Episode #40: “The Children”
SUNDAY, JUNE 15 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT) 
Circumstances change after an unexpected arrival from north of the Wall; Dany must face harsh realities; Bran learns more about his destiny; Tyrion sees the truth about his situation.
Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Alex Graves.


184 Comments

  1. Robert B
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    hodor?

  2. Javi Marcos
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    After episode 8 description….

    Only Cat in episode 7??

  3. Dahali Sand
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Norwegian Hodoooor!!!

  4. King Tommen
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Javi Marcos:
    After episode 8 description….

    Only Cat in episode 7??

    The promo for episode 7 should have made that pretty clear.

  5. Tomas Hedwyn Savage
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    I can’t frikkin wait for what we all know is coming. It turns out Tywin Lannister does not shit gold. Also Jon’s election and Lady Stoneheart!

  6. marianne
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    can’t wait for the duel between the mountain and oberyn, it’s one of my favorite scenes in the books.

  7. Dahali Sand
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Dahali Sand,

    Norwegian Hodoooor!!!

    First ever comment on WiC.net, and so close to top comment….

    I’ll fetch meself a block!

  8. The Pointy End
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    I see no reference to what you guys are talking about on the episode 7 trailer.

  9. Jeb
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    The Pointy End,

    Well the end of the promo makes it pretty obvious

  10. Addam of Hull
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    The teaser for episode 9 is the most hilariously sparse thing ever.

  11. Brad Villane
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    I’m thinking the “realities” that Dany must face are the Dragon eats a kid and she learns that Jorah betrayed her (probably through the letter that Tywin was writing in this week’s episode).

  12. Emanuel Ledesma
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Jeb,

    It does not, I only see Lysa Arryn and Sansa there.

  13. Walter Harrow
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Arya not mentioned in any of them yet again :(

    I want to know if she is in episode 8

  14. Leo
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Emanuel Ledesma,

    You’re joking.

    Anyway, I don’t expect anything out of these synopses, but this is even more loluseless than last year’s final 3 episodes.

  15. Andrew
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    At this rate, we’re going to be more or less completely caught up with Sansa’s book storyline at the end of this season. Wow.

  16. Andrew
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Which means we’re getting Book 6 material for Sansa and Petyr next year, most likely. I would guess for several other plots, as well, but that one for sure. Exciting times.

  17. Hodor H'ghar
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Damn, I wanna ask a question, but I cant get the spoiler tags to work.

  18. the other guy
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Next week’s episode preview very clearly hints at “Only cat”. Lots of folks, me included, expected it in the finale, but it looks like they’re going into AFFC territory with Sansa aswell by the end of the season.
    Another storyline that will be “spoiled” for book readers next year if TWOW isn’t finished soon.

  19. House Mormont
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Why would they put “tyrion sees the truth about his situation” in episode 10, kind of removes the tension from episode 8

  20. House Mormont
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Episode 10 is gonna be so emotional fuck

  21. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Andrew,
    What really sucks is that we haven’t read a single thought or scene with Sansa since 2005. Ugghh.

    House Mormont,
    I get goosebumps thinking about the great visuals we are going to witness in ep10.

  22. Jeb
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Although it is a shame that the TV series will overtake the books, GrrM can only blame himself. He’s known about the series for 8 years, and still doesn’t sem in any rush to get the bookss out. I bet hen D& D signed up they thought that 6 books would be out by now, with the 7th one imminent. Alas…

    Anyway, super excited about these last 4 episodes. The off-season should be fairly interesting, with casting announcements, and season 5 promises to be the most unexpected and hard to predict for Sullied and Unsullied alike.

  23. Delirium0733
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Javi Marcos,

    What do you mean by “Only Cat”? I mean, the description, where did you read that or heard that? I know about LS, but where?

  24. JohnnyRingo
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    the other guy,

    Except that Michelle Farley was never mentioned as being on set, and unless they have a completely new actress it will not happen. She was filming a different show while game of thrones filmed.

  25. Blutrabe
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    JohnnyRingo,

    She would only be needed for one very brief scene anyway. Maybe no more than one day of shooting.

  26. matt v.
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Off topic: Does anyone think that oberyn is similar to the cat from the shrek movies? :)

  27. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Delirium0733,

    ‘Only Cat’ is what Littlefinger says to Lysa before pushing her out of the Moon Door.

  28. sati
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    JohnnyRingo,

    If only it was a gigantic plot twist and they were trying to keep the scene a secret…oh, wait.

  29. the other guy
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    JohnnyRingo:
    the other guy,

    Except that ****** was never mentioned as being on set, and unless they have a completely new actress it will not happen. She was filming a different show while game of thrones filmed.

    I wasn’t talking about Lady Stoneheart, even though it is bound to happen as a cliffhanger to end season 4(much like the ending of ASOS). They would be foolish not to do it, it’s just too good and unexpected. By the way, Jason Momoa was never reported on set during season 2 and he ended up appearing during the House of the Undying scene. “Filming a different show” probably doesn’t matter either since they probably needed her for a very short filming time as she will only appear briefly.

    Oh and I think she kinda hinted that she would be pleased to return in a post season 3 interview.

    “Only cat” = Littlefinger throwing Lysa out the moon door, after she threatens Sansa’s life. Which is exactly what we see her do in the preview.

  30. Ed
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Why is it a shame?

    So the TV series overtakes the books. (shrug) Who cares. Enjoy both. I know I will.

    Jeb:
    Although it is a shame that the TV series will overtake the books.

  31. sati
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    the other guy,

    I actually remember Michelle being in Ireland at the time of the filming last year, I’m a big fans of her and she gave the radio interview around that time. Piece of cake bringing her on the set for one day.

  32. Sean C.
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    So Littlefinger and Sansa are in episode 8 after all. I thought they really needed to be, but it didn’t sound like it from what we were hearing prior.

  33. Delirium0733
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Oh ok now I remember that! I was expecting that scene to take place on the season finale. At least we’ll get to see LS in the season finale for sure

  34. JohnnyRingo
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Well strike me stupid. Good points all of you! I do hope it makes an appearance! :)

  35. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Who’s the unexpected arrival from north of the Wall? I assume Stannis, but wouldn’t that be in episode 9?

  36. Tony
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Unexpected visitors arrive in Mole’s Town

    I do hope they dont kill off Gilly

  37. Sean C.
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Who’s the unexpected arrival from north of the Wall?I assume Stannis, but wouldn’t that be in episode 9?

    It would. One imagines they’re just referring to the aftermath and how the status quo has been altered.

  38. Palpie
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Andrew:
    At this rate, we’re going to be more or less completely caught up with Sansa’s book storyline at the end of this season.Wow.

    No we won’t. you need to read feast again.

  39. Boojam
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Whoever writes these things is a grand-master of non-spoils!
    So little contained is the fewest words possible.

  40. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Stannis would not be coming from North of the Wall, he’d be coming from south of it

  41. Seanathin
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    JohnnyRingo:
    the other guy,

    Except that Michelle Farley was never mentioned as being on set, and unless they have a completely new actress it will not happen. She was filming a different show while game of thrones filmed.

    Well we didn’t hear about Jason Mamoa on set for the end of Season 2.

  42. Greenjones
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    No he came from the north that was the whole point. He attacked Mance’s camp. We’ve seen shots in the trailer of his troops riding through the Haunted Forest.

  43. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Right, never mind me then

  44. JamesL
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    It looks like the Wall battle will extend to the season finale and Stannis won’t show up until episode 10. They said episode 10 was filled with the most special effects and CGI shots they have ever had to use but nobody could figure out what scene all the special effects would be for. Stannis’s arrival and take down of the Wildlings could be what many of those special effects shots are for.

  45. Hogwarts > Kingslanding
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Unrelated: Anyone else think Jon Umber will return in season 5 along with Rickon Stark and Osha?

  46. sati
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I think you guys are reading too much into this – it obviously happens in ep.9 hence the word ‘after’ in synopsis

  47. interior bannisters
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    The scene with the big budget cost has to be Dany locking up her dragons. They have to show men fighting against three dragons, two being chained while fighting back, probably killing some men in the process, and then show drogon escape and fly away. It has to be the one. That or they are going to give a glorious CG showing of Tywin’s bowels spilling in all different directions

  48. Greenjones
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I’m not so sure about that. They can’t say Stannis’s arrival in the summary so they refer to it vaguely. I think that will still happen in episode nine but that episode ten will focus on how that changes the dynamic/status quo at the Wall.

    In other words. What Sati said.

  49. Don't care
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    This is so fucking vague LMAO. That teaser for episode 9.

  50. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    interior bannisters:
    They have to show men fighting against three dragons, two being chained while fighting back, probably killing some men in the process, and then show drogon escape and fly away.

    “Killing some men”? I am thinking hundreds of UnSullied burning. This has got to be stunning…the dragons aren’t going willingly. This is one scene that I hope is much better than the passive description in ADwD.

  51. interior bannisters
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: “Killing some men”? I am thinking hundreds of UnSullied burning. This has got to be stunning…the dragons aren’t going willingly. This is one scene that I hope is much better than the passive description in ADwD.

    Lol, a LOT of the cool action that could happen to Dany in ADWD is told in her head after it happens

  52. Brad Villane
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    D&D and Cogman love to put multiple meanings in their episode titles (like “Second Sons” referring to the sellswords and Tyrion and “Kissed by Fire” referring to Ygritte, the Hound, and the Mad King). “The Children” could add credibility to this theory about a trying to chain the dragons battle scene….”The Children in question being 1. The Children of the Forest 2. Tyrion and Jaime 3. The Dragons

  53. chris
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    Stannis would not be coming from North of the Wall, he’d be coming from south of it

    Actually Stannis does indeed come from north of the wall, at least in ASOS. As I recall he comes in from Eastwatch, picks up a bunch of nautical brothers along the way, marches to Castle Black on the North side of the Wall and engages the wildlings there.

  54. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    interior bannisters: Lol, a LOT of the cool action that could happen to Dany in ADWD is told in her head after it happens

    Now that’s the idea! Adapting some non-POV events in ASoS, AFfC & ADwD in S4/S5 will help in telling the tale. Imho, it would be better to do that than making new arcs up. :)

  55. Qbert
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    “an unexpected arrival from north of the Wall”

    Please make it be who i think it be!!!!

  56. Darkstar
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Blutrabe:
    JohnnyRingo,

    She would only be needed for one very brief scene anyway. Maybe no more than one day of shooting.

    This!

  57. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Brad Villane:
    D&D and Cogman love to put multiple meanings in their episode titles (like “Second Sons” referring to the sellswords and Tyrion and “Kissed by Fire” referring to Ygritte, the Hound, and the Mad King). “The Children” could add credibility to this theory about a trying to chain the dragons battle scene….”The Children in question being 1. The Children of the Forest 2. Tyrion and Jaime 3. The Dragons

    And LS returning to avenge her children.

  58. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    I’m hoping the unexpected arrival is Benjen, who has been monitoring the progress of the WW army and brings them the terrifying news.

  59. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg:
    I’m hoping the unexpected arrival is Benjen, who has been monitoring the progress of the WW army and brings them the terrifying news.

    I wonder where is that bewildering WW/wight army that meandered past Sam the Lucky and slaughtered all those NWmen and horses at the Fist?

  60. Leo
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    The Night’s Watch fought them all off at the 30 second blackout noise that Season 3 opened with.

  61. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Leo,

    You’re kidding, right? Ghost ravaged one wight that was after Sam as the NW was escaping, but the Fist was an unseen slaughterfest for the WW/wights. Many of the NW troops died there. But I wonder where did the WW/wight army go from there? They haven’t been seen since.

  62. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I wonder where is that bewildering WW/wight army that meandered past Sam the Lucky and slaughtered all those NWmen and horses at the Fist?

    The WW have their own engineering corps and are tunneling under the Wall. They will pop out at Moles Town, get one look at the women there and head back north again.

  63. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    They disappeared back into the snow.

  64. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    So that’s what the tagline means for ep8: “Unexpected visitors arrive at Mole’s Town.” Thanks!

    The WWs are such a tactical bunch! :)

  65. Leo
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    No. It’s easier for me to believe that than a giant WW army just chilling out there until the plot comes calling.

  66. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Leo:
    …giant WW army just chilling out there until the plot comes calling.

    :) That’s a great way to put it. Honestly though, I think they wandered over to Hardhome.

  67. Hodorrr
    Posted May 13, 2014 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    I think people who complain that the episodes are slow Ep 4 5 6(Except for the trial) should savor the slow moments now because when 8 9 10 hits the screens they might not have time to take it all in and exhale. They might say its going to fast.

  68. Ser Davos Seaworth
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Tony,

    Hannah Murray has been promoted to regular, she is I’m the opening credits. Killing her off early after two episodes would be ridiculous.

  69. Ser Davos Seaworth
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Ser Davos Seaworth,

    *in (autocorrect)

  70. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Topdecker,

    They could ignore them, just like George did.

  71. Topdecker
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    What are they going to do over the next season or 2 with Sansa and Littlefinger? It seems their story will have completely caught up with the books by the end of this season.

  72. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Wow, TP…you predicted his question!

    Topdecker,

    I think they have at least half a season of material from AFfC still to work with for Sansafinger. You know…BF and the Hound and Brienne and LS and Jaime are not too far away…Maybe Mya Stone could join her in an adventure or two?

  73. Daemon
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Topdecker,

    I don’t think it will totally catch up, but even if so, and with any of the storylines that are ahead I suspect they’ll have to make some stuff up for an extended period either in season 5 or 6. I guess not if someone dies, they could just accelerate to the end but storylines that end up crossing paths would/will have to “stop and wait” for the other to catch up to the crossing point anyway. Should be interesting to see what plots/characters they focus on going forward.

  74. maia
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    are we getting another Dany “winning” moment as S4 finale…..does it always have to be her….

  75. Tatters
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    maia,

    What a strange definition of winning.
    Yeah Dany will go to Westeros

  76. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    maia,

    Banishing Jorah and having to chain her dragons up isn’t what I’d call winning.

  77. Don't care
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    How do you get winning from “Dany must face harsh realities“

  78. Steven Swanson
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    maia,

    Banishing Jorah and having to chain her dragons up isn’t what I’d call winning.


    It’s Charlie Sheen style. Whacked out on coke, losing your mind, losing your multi million dollar job, winning!

  79. Emperor Cronos
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    I’m pretty sure they’re going into post book material next season for virtually everyone. The only people who might not get any post book material are Cercei and Jon. Bran, Sansa and Arya definitely are and the others might.

  80. patchface
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:13 am | Permalink

    Brad Villane:
    D&D and Cogman love to put multiple meanings in their episode titles (like “Second Sons” referring to the sellswords and Tyrion and “Kissed by Fire” referring to Ygritte, the Hound, and the Mad King). “The Children” could add credibility to this theory about a trying to chain the dragons battle scene….”The Children in question being 1. The Children of the Forest 2. Tyrion and Jaime 3. The Dragons

    Also Lady Stoneheart’s children

  81. Harry
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    New theory regarding UnCat:

    She will surely not be seen resurrected this season. Nor will we see the Brotherhood (Beric, Thoros..). I couldn’t find any hint that any of the cast was involved this season.

    So hopefully in Season 5, Brienne and Pod will meet the Brotherhood and UnCat. Thoros will just explain that they found her and that Beric sacrificed himself.

  82. Greenjones
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:33 am | Permalink

    Ser Davos Seaworth,

    And she also said that she’s in an episode that focuses entirely on the Night’s Watch. So, she’ll be in episode nine. No need to fret you all.

  83. donks
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:45 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I’d imagine it would play out in the books and the battle would wage till it appears hope is lost and then right at the end stannis arrives and saves the day. We may only just see who is leading the saviours at the last second(or not till ep10) kinda like the blackwater episode.

  84. Fatio Corcyn
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:45 am | Permalink

    Emperor Cronos:
    I’m pretty sure they’re going into post book material next season for virtually everyone.The only people who might not get any post book material are Cercei and Jon.Bran, Sansa and Arya definitely are and the others might.

    Arya is the only POV who is both in AFFC & ADWD, she has plenty to do. I strongly doubt they’d already go into TWOW material with her, hell I am even 100% sure they won’t.

  85. donks
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    Also a question for the readers. Anyone got any idea on what the expensive scene in episode 10 would be? I can’t for the life of me figure it out from the books. There was an interview with D&D stating that there’s a scene in episode 10 that is the most expensive scene in the series thus far (dollars per second).

  86. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    donks,

    The chaining of the Dragons maybe? They could add a little bit more “fire and blood” into the event.

  87. Karl Tanner
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 4:42 am | Permalink

    Fatio Corcyn,

    Nope, Victarion, Cersei and Asha are both POVs in ADWD and AFFC for instance, Arya’s not the only one.

  88. Bear
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Stannis doesn’t arrive from north of the wall though, does he? Thought that line was a reference to Coldhands…

  89. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    donks,

    The only thing I can possibly imagine is the chaining of the dragons. I had dismissed the idea beforehand when others brought it up, until I read a comment in another article about the possibility that they are greatly expanding the sequence, adding a fight between the Dragons and some Unsullied and/or Second Sons trying to chain them up. Viserion and Rhaegal must be chained up somehow, while Drogon will have to escape. That adds up to a lot of fire effects, fight choreography between real people and creatures that aren’t even there, plus the CGI of the dragons itself… I think that might just be enough to warrant D&D’s description of the most expensive scene in terms of dollars per minute. Honestly, I am at a loss at what other scene could possibly call for such expense.

  90. Ludo
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Fatio Corcyn,

    Wrong. Cersei, Jaime, Areo Hotah, Asha and Victarion are all present in both AFFC and ADWD.

  91. SeptEnfers
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    donks,

    The other possibility for the expensive scene is Bran reaching the Children of the Forest, if they include the white walker attack from that scene. However, it’s more likely to be the chaining of the dragons, as has already been mentioned.

  92. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Palpie,

    Actually, you’re wrong. Everything is starting to make sense now. AFFC’s first chapter is one that deals with the aftermath of Lysa’s death. Now, obviously, that is in this season. AFFC’s second chapter is the Lords Declarant- and this little conflict is beginning in episode 8. Not 10, 8. This likely means that we’ll have another Sansa scene in episode 10 (most/all storylines make it to finales). So we’ll be two scenes past Sansa’s first AFFC chapter. Sansa’s third AFFC chapter happens to be them leaving the Eyrie for winter. And guess what? The Eyrie set was dismantled this year. Coincidence? I wouldn’t be so sure.

  93. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Harry,

    argh i really hope it isnt a damn monologue from Thoros… that scene could be amazing and to just have Thoros explaining everything would be such a disservice especially to Beric… but i guess thats what is going to happen. lame.

  94. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Palpie,

    And guess what? The Eyrie set was dismantled this year. Coincidence? I wouldn’t be so sure.

    As I understood it the set that was dismantled was specifically the throne room of the Eyrie with the Moon Door. That isn’t the entire Eyrie, we’ve already scene other rooms there. All I take them dismantling it to mean is that they won’t need that set again after Lysa’s flight, not that they’re leaving the Eyrie entirely.

  95. Harry
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Ser Matt the Sullen,

    Yes, I also don’t hope so. But otherwise (from a producer view) it could be:

    A) more cost efficient. Otherwise it would have to have now in terms of timeline, and with the respective cast this season.

    B) this is a scene than can easily be made wrong (I mean too cheesy or too thrashy like in a zombie movie)

  96. Hodorkovsky
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Troublesome Birdsong: As I understood it the set that was dismantled was specifically the throne room of the Eyrie with the Moon Door. That isn’t the entire Eyrie, we’ve already scene other rooms there. All I take them dismantling it to mean is that they won’t need that set again after Lysa’s flight, not that they’re leaving the Eyrie entirely.

    In the final Sansa/Alayne chapters, they are leaving the Eyrye for winter and relocating in the valley.

    EDIT: oops, sorry, this was already mentioned. Never mind. Nothing to see here.

  97. Ionuts
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    the other guy,

    From what I remember, there were actors cast as lords/ladies of the Eyre, so yeah they should go on with the Sansa/Alayne chapters form AFFoC. Unfortunately, from the descriptions of the June episodes, I guess they won’t have much to do (a little more than extras).
    I see this episode no.9 will be like 2nd season’s 9th (Blackwater), as in, only one subject.
    Also, it seems that there will be no LS storyline (If they’ll go with this one I guess it will be probably in the second half of season 5).

  98. Ionuts
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Not necessarily.

    If Tyrion’s champion loses (the fight will probably be towards the end of that episode),then in ep. 10 he will get to contemplate on things or whatever before getting the axe/sword.

    If Tyrion’s champion will prevail, then he gets (eventually) out of jail and gets to ponder about his new status: married but with no wife, no lover, no place for him in KL, his father and sister will try to cook up something else to shorten him some more. and if he goes to the Northmen/Winterfell to claim his right (thru his marriage he’s part of the Starks now, isn’t he?) the Boltons will wanna chop his head off too.

    So there ya go…

  99. utherwolf
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    If Lady Stoneheart doesn’t appear this season, I assume her revelation will be an intro scene of season 5. A perfect prologue before the opening credits.

  100. Ionuts
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    donks,

    Maybe it will be regarding dragons. Good CG is not cheap, and probably will be a longer scene involving dragons, and since there are three of them the CG involved should be a TV episode budget-killer (even a GoT one).

  101. Joramun
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Does this mean that Ygritte will be present at the battle at the wall and will die there in episode 9? I know it says in episode 8 she will probably die at molestown, but it seems too big of an event is already in episode 8 to have the appropriate emotional weight of Jon fighting Ygritte. What have people heard about this particular interaction?

  102. slayjoy
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Ionuts,

    lol

  103. Michael Anthony Leber
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Joramun,

    That’s definitely happening in episode 9. Way too good and emotional and big of a moment to preempt the battle.

  104. Carne
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Joramun,

    Why would she die in episode 8? It’s just the wildlings burning Mole’s Town to the ground.

  105. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    More burning questions headed into the end of the season and looking to Season 5 (reposted from another thread)

    I’m with those who now think the Stannis appear comes in Episode 10. Would work because it separates the 2 key events – the Night Watch’s battle, and Jon treating with Mance and then Stannis saves the day.

    How will Brienne’s journey be constructed?

    Lots of us believe we’ll get a LS reveal at year-end, but I find it hard to believe they’ll waste that reveal on a couple of dead Freys who we don’t care about. Do they invert the journey to have Brienne in Season 5 searching for Jaime instead, and descending further into a hell that culminates with a tearful meeting on the Quiet Isle? I find it hard to believe also that they keep Gwen Christie off-screen for all of next season in order to reveal her later. Doesn’t seem the show’s MO. What it also might do as a true spoiler for Sullied is reveal whether Podrick is dead or not. He’s not with Brienne in ADwD – but if the BWB kill him what motivation does she have then to bring back Jaime? Why not flee the Riverlands entirely? Just a thought.

    Whither Gendry?
    Given the way D&D operate, is it possible we’ll see Gendry in the Riverlands, having managed to successfully find the BWB and again plead to join them? Doesn’t seem likely now that they betrayed him. Or is he gone for good?

    Will we get Osha/Rickon this year?
    Maybe one time?

    Will we get a Walder Frey appearance?
    No particular reason, but maybe just for kicks, so everyone can yell at the screen?

    How are those Iron Islands odds looking now?
    Pretty darned good. Yara goes back after Balon dies, we get Victarion for sure, Euron more than likely. Really, it’s a addition of one major new character, and the show can handle it.

  106. Morna the Witch
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    What I’m looking forward to:

    Only Cat; the duel; the whole of episode 9, Tywin Lannister doesn’t shit gold; Lady Stoneheart, Jon becomes LC.

  107. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Im hoping these final 4 episodes are the best of the entire season. Ive got high expectations at this point.
    My season list will be starting from the best episode of the season to the worst. 10,9,8,7,6,2,1,5,4,3.
    Episode 3 was still great, just more boring than the others 7 is only high because of only cat

  108. Lady
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    I think they can just do the shocking reveal of LS when Brienne stumbles upon the BWB…they bring her to see their *leader* for justice….unsullied wait to see Beric…BAM!

    Then she can yell out the name when she’s about to get hanged…or however that happened

  109. oracle86
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Where the hell is Mance? Havent seen him yet this season.

  110. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Morna the Witch,

    How about these: Bran gets saved by the children of the forest and meets the Three Eyed Crow, Theon takes Moat Cailin and betrays his men, Arya leaves the Hound to die and takes a ship to Braavos, Dany chains her dragons after finding out they killed a child, Jon offered Winterfell and a legitimization…

    These three episodes are going to be crazy. Wow…

  111. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    Try this:
    10, 9, 8, 4, 2/6, 1/7, 5, 3
    With only the last two being a bit problematic

  112. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    You think 4 was better than 6?

  113. Blood Crow
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I think some people are hoping for too much with Dany’s arc. The dragon chaining will probably be in the beginning of season 5 otherwise there will be no dragon sighting until Drogon appears. Dany’s finale material will include Jorah’s “betrayal”, his banishment, & hopefully the burnt bones of a child. That’s quite enough if you think about it

  114. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    They were pretty close IMO, but yeah. 4 was flawless, even though it featured slightly less exciting scenes. 6 had the one flaw (the editing of the Yara scene was way off- a bit jarring in an otherwise smooth episode).

  115. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    I’m with those who now think the Stannis appear comes in Episode 10. Would work because it separates the 2 key events – the Night Watch’s battle, and Jon treating with Mance and then Stannis saves the day.

    Lots of exciting ideas but I think the Stannis appearance would only be astonishing if he and his army of horsemen come crashing in during the final minutes of ep9, with a massive score by Ramin Djawadi leading us into the credits. Then ep10 deals with the political aftermath of his victory. Stannis needs his moment!

  116. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Blood Crow,

    How could they include the bones but not the chaining? I do agree it could have been better to open season 5 with that and end with Drogon’s return, but they ARE lacking in Dany material so it makes sense. There are also some people who think the scene at the Daznak Pit will happen earlier at the season (as in episode 4-7) and the battle of Meereen will make it in, which makes for a lot of dragon action- not that I am one of them. And you’re forgetting that Dany visits her locked up dragons a number of times, so they wouldn’t be completely gone. Judging by the dragon scenes this season, it seems they are going for quality and definitely not quantity.

  117. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    However they do it, they’ll still spoil the reveal by crediting the actors at the start (and bringing it up 9 episodes in advance).

    Edit: Though in the preview for Mockingbird, Mel & Selyse still appear to be on Dragonstone. Could this mean that trip to Braavos was just popping to the shops for bread and milk for Team Stannis? I hope they don’t forget to burn Orell’s eagle (or the Thenn Warg’s owl).

  118. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I agree. I really enjoy seeing yara and i liked the scene but i wish they show a proper escape where she fights off more guys or something.Im gunna rewatch them all after its done. My order will probably change a little. As long as 10,9,8 are awesome and the Only cat is amazing+snow winterfell is as beautifully sad as it was it my head ill be happy

  119. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    However they do it, they’ll still spoil the reveal by crediting the actors at the start (and bringing it up 9 episodes in advance).

    Oh, I’ve been waiting for this classic moment for so long, there is nothing that will diminish it for me…unless they crowd it into ep10. Even with the previews, I doubt many of the Unsullied have a clue of the scale of this event. Neil Marshall shall rule June 8, 2014 and Grumpy Cat will get the respect he deserves!

  120. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Ummm, didn’t Salador Saan just bring it up? “To go to some Wall…” was his quote, no? They’re trying to make people forget, which is good.

  121. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    I think we desperately need a Sansa monologue for that scene to work, where she tells Littlefinger about a time when it snowed and she had a snowball fight with her brothers and Arya… and end it all by saying “And now they’re all gone but me, and Winterfell is in ruins”

    heart=broken

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    They’ve been good at hiding it. I’m still unsure on whether we’ll see Mammoths. There was one dude somewhere that claimed he/she was cast as one (of a number IIRC) to play a Mammoth leg. If it wasn’t fake, I imagine that scene was hilarious to film. Just a couple of dudes holding onto a huge green cylinder.

  122. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Wow…I hadn’t even thought about the mammoth factor. I could take it or leave it…at least we will get Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg (Mag the Mighty!) crashing through the Wall’s tunnel!

    Regarding the episode ranking, I consider ep4 and ep6 equals. They both had awesome moments but both suffered from flaws in the invented material. I would even rank ep6 over ep4 just because they gave up on any opportunity for CH to contribute to Bran’s story (my personal beef with this season thus far). Who is going to take Donal Noye’s sacrificial role?

  123. Morna the Witch
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Jentario

    You know, you’re right about those other moments. :)

    The ones I listed are my personal stand outs in the book, but I think the others, especially Bran and co meeting Leaf and Bloodraven, as well as Arya taking that boat (and possibly meeting Jaqen again) will epic. And of course, Jon being offered Winterfell is included in my “whole of episode 9″ excitement. I just wonder if it will be possible to put in the offer, Jon pondering the offer,Jon rejecting the offer and then being elected LC in one episode. Hopefully he will have more than one scene then. All of this need to happen as D and D also said that everything in aSoS will happen in this season.

  124. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    SeptEnfers,

    People have said that in the past… you know the White Walkers are not CGI, right? They add exhuming steam from their bodies and the blue eyes with CGI, but they are there. They are guys in costumes. Depicting their deaths by crystallization (as in Season 3 with Sam and Gilly) is probably quite expensive, but I fail to see how even that’ll be make it the most expensive scene.

  125. Ser Rib
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    We obviously have some Brienne and Pod scene’s coming up. Remember that trailer where the actress acts all crazy talking about biting off an ear. If we do get LS I assume it will be them meeting up with her

  126. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    jentario,
    Wow…I hadn’t even thought about the mammoth factor. I could take it or leave it…at least we will get Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg (Mag the Mighty!) crashing through the Wall’s tunnel! Who is going to take Donal Noye’s sacrificial role?

    Regarding the episode ranking, I consider ep4 and ep6 equals. They both had awesome moments but both suffered from flaws in the invented material. I would even rank ep6 over ep4 just because they gave up on any opportunity for CH to contribute to Bran’s story (my personal beef with this season thus far).

    Ughh! I couldn’t edit my post once submitted. The last sentence in my prev post should have belonged in the first paragraph. I have updated my post in the blockquote above.

  127. Carne
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    They guy who said he played a mammoth’s leg also posted a picture of himself in a green suit on location (nothing revealing shown), so if it’s indeed true I think we’re in for something awesome!

  128. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Ser Rib:
    We obviously have some Brienne and Pod scene’s coming up.Remember that trailer where the actress acts all crazy talking about biting off an ear. If we do get LS I assume it will be them meeting up with her

    I hope Brienne manages to avoid getting her own face bitten through during that confrontation with Biter. That was a particularly jarring scene in AFfC.

  129. Carne
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Ser Rib,

    Going by IMDb she has a stunt double for episode 7, which sounds a bit too early for LS.

  130. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Man, these last 4 episodes are going to be so amazing!

    I can’t wait for The Viper vs. The Mountain. (Oberyn better say those lines from the book).

    Also, I see a lot of you really believe Lady Stoneheart is coming to the TV show, I hope you’re right but what evidence do you have to support your excitement about this?

    Please share with me?

  131. Tatters
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I dont see why people keep expect to be cut. What evidence do you need?
    There was no reason to include Beric and Thoros
    if not for this.

  132. MRR
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    Why would they put “tyrion sees the truth about his situation” in episode 10, kind of removes the tension from episode 8

    Not really; the statement is vague enough (“sees the truth about his situation”) that it could support a number of trial outcomes: he was found innocent but the “truth of his situation” is that Cersei is out to get him regardless; he was found guilty, and the “truth of his situation” is that there is no escape from his impending execution; etc. etc. etc.

  133. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Lots of exciting ideas but I think the Stannis appearance would only be astonishing if he and his army of horsemen come crashing in during the final minutes of ep9, with a massive score by Ramin Djawadi leading us into the credits. Then ep10 deals with the political aftermath of his victory. Stannis needs his moment!

    I think it works either way. You could end up doing it where Stannis shows up in Ep 10, ending on a note of despair with Ep 9, a brief interlude, and then ba-bang. But maybe I’m wrong. Either way there’s a lot of material to cover in the last episode, for sure, so who cares.

  134. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    The title of ep8 seems to indicate that we’ll get a significant rationale for Oberyn’s nickname at some point soon!

  135. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Tatters,

    I dont see why people keep expect her to be cut. What evidence do you need?
    There was no reason to include Beric and Thoros
    if not for this.

    I hope you’re right! I just am nervous she got cut… If someone could give me some uncovered evidence that she hasn’t that would make me happy.

    That’s all I am asking…

  136. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Blood Crow,

    How could they include the bones but not the chaining? I do agree it could have been better to open season 5 with that and end with Drogon’s return, but they ARE lacking in Dany material so it makes sense. There are also some people who think the scene at the Daznak Pit will happen earlier at the season (as in episode 4-7) and the battle of Meereen will make it in, which makes for a lot of dragon action- not that I am one of them. And you’re forgetting that Dany visits her locked up dragons a number of times, so they wouldn’t be completely gone. Judging by the dragon scenes this season, it seems they are going for quality and definitely not quantity.

    To me the betrayal by Jorah is nearly enough for a finale. If we both agree that LS is going to be the last thing we see in Season 4, the bones could work well as a Season 5 opener. Or, she sees the bones earlier, and then Season 5 cold open begins with the dragons being chained, so it’s more in the realm of “emotionally wrenching” a la Two Swords opener rather than the WTF OMG opens of Seasons 1 and to a lesser extent, 3.

  137. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Oh, Christ here we go again. Evidence? How about this?

    1. Why would they cut her?
    2. She is in the book

    But I’ll play along:

    1. BwB being introduced and all the talk of resurrection
    2. Bran’s creepy dream with pale and manic Cat
    3. Sansa’s mentioning how her mother body was tossed in the river
    4. all the mentions of Catelyn this season
    5. Arya adding Beric and Thoros to her list – a reminder for the audience
    6. Lena Headeey joking about how Fairley ‘had throat infection….it’s funny…because of what happens later’ in her interview with Conan after RW episode
    7. Lena posting a picture of a heart made out of stones on instagram
    8. guy who plays Anguy has a scene this season
    9. Gwendoline while talking about deaths – ‘R. Madden, O. Chaplin, CATELYN STARK’. Because Fairley is obviously still in the show.

  138. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Oh yeah, show Oberyn still hasn’t been introduced to the TV viewer as The Red Viper…

    Hopefully we will get some backround story on Oberyn and finally hear his nickname…

    Damn!!! I CAN’T WAIT!!!!!

    I am going to be all choked up and teary eyed watching the duel and have to watch it 50 times on youtube once someone uploads it… =)

  139. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Stannis is in episode 9. Neil Marshall described 3 seperate battles happening in his episode. I took that to mean NW vs Wildlings(South of the Wall),NW vs Wildlings(North of the Wall), and Wildlings vs Stannis’ army.

  140. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    We fucking better get it. It is a crime that they deprived the Unsullied viewers of being able to call him The Red Viper all season.

  141. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Okay, okay no need to get hostile… I am just very skeptical by nature.

    I can also add another piece of evidence to your very thorough list…

    I remember during an Australian interview with Michele, Lena and GRRM Michele mentioned twice, TWICE about Cat’s death and said something like this.

    “I wish Cat was never killed and still had a beating heart” She specifically said “beating heart”, why? BECAUSE NOW SHE HAS A STONEHEART! =)

    I just don’t want to be disappointed so I keep my hopes down…

  142. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    But there is one thing missing…

    They have got to start mentioning in KL about the ramped up random attacks on Lannister/Frey troops in the Riverlands by the BwB and (hopefully) wolfpacks in order to build up to the stunning reveal. Please let it be so!

  143. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    What is episode 7 synopsis?

    This thread should have listed them all…

  144. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    I hope Djawadi brings it with the music during Stannis’ arrival on the north side of CB. I’m thinking “Ride of the Valkyries” (by Wagner) level of awesomeness.

  145. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    The question ‘is LS cut?’ appears daily, multiple times on every fanboard. Why even ask about something like this?

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    They could do that, but it’s not material to the fact if she is in the show. A lack of build up may make the shock bigger.

  146. MRR
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    sati,

    Okay, okay no need to get hostile… I am just very skeptical by nature.

    It’s best not to take Sati personally. Last year at this time she was insisting that it was certain beyond all doubt that the last scene of Season 3 would be Lady Stoneheart’s resurrection. Obviously that didn’t come to pass, and this year is no different: nobody has any “evidence” of what we’ll see, or when. I seriously doubt that the character has been cut completely, but there is no concrete evidence at present as to when they will show up. It very well could be this season; it very well could be next season encountered by Brienne later in her journey. At this point it’s impossible to tell, and anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong.

  147. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    I wasn’t the only one expecting resurrection in s3 finale, but it’s hilarious you still being so butthurt.

    “I seriously doubt that the character has been cut completely” changing the tune from ‘she is tacky and gonna get cut!’ I bet.

  148. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    Yes I agree with your train of thought.

    There is no hard evidence, just little things here and there that can be seen as hints pointing towards her coming to the TV show.

    That’s why I always hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

    If I get my hopes up, and she doesn’t appear this season, I will be let down.

    But if I don’t assume anything my viewing experience will be much more positive.

  149. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    There wouldn’t be any hard evidence, they want to keep plot twists under wraps. But if she was cut, we’d hear of it, like with Coldhands and all the other characters.

    But what do I know? Apparently a person is not allowed to predict something will happen and then change the prediction, adding more hints to the equation. What a crime.

  150. MRR
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    No, you weren’t the only one, but you were among the most vocal and ridiculous of those insisting that the scene just had to be the last shot of Season 3. I don’t remember you because you bothered me; I remember you because your opinions and your expression of them was hilarious. Someone else noted your hostility, so I figured I’d give them some context so that they wouldn’t take your tone too seriously. My opinion now hasn’t changed from what it was then: I don’t think the character has been cut, but we have no clear indication of when the introduction will happen, and looking for “clues” to try to “prove” it is just silliness. I thought it could have been at the end of S3, but I was justifiably skeptical. I also think it could be at the end of this season, but I am also justifiably skeptical.

  151. MRR
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    sati:
    Arthur,

    Apparently a person is not allowed to predict something will happen and then change the prediction, adding more hints to the equation. What a crime.

    Predict all you like, just try to refrain from attacking people who are skeptical or who disagree.

  152. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    I assure you not as hilarious and silly as a person remembering who wrote what a year ago…on a fanboard when it comes to speculation….about a scene…in a TV show.

  153. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    You mean like you using the words ‘silliness’, ‘ridiculous’ and ‘hilarious’?

  154. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    There wouldn’t be any hard evidence, they want to keep plot twists under wraps.

    As you probably already know, the regulars that post comments here find hard evidence of things yet to come on the TV show all the time.

    I am amazed of the detective skills these people have.

    That’s what I was looking for when referring to the term “hard evidence”, so far all we have is hints and assumptions which is fine.

    I really do hope she appears this season, I am with you on that front 100%. I am just trying to understand why some of you are so sure of it, was wondering if you knew something I didn’t, that’s all.

  155. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Well I do apologize if you found my tone harsh I hope you understand it’s simply thanks to the frequency of the question. For me the lack of news of someone not being on the show is a confirmation of them being in until we actually don’t see them on the screen. Then we can worry :)

    There is a slight difference between regular scene and season ending scene, isn’t there, though. They keep it a secret year after year, from what I recall.

  156. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    There is a slight difference between regular scene and season ending scene, isn’t there, though. They keep it a secret year after year, from what I recall.

    Agreed, hopefully she will be in a season ending climax this year, or the season opener next year (like the book).

    Like I said, I just don’t want to build my hopes up because that only leaves the door open for disappointment.

    But if any of you Throners have hard evidence by all means let us know!

  157. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I would personally find having her in opening a bit of a disservice to a chilling scene, it’s just such a fantastic cliffhanger season ending moment.

    To be fair looking for clues won’t help with lowering expectations here, trust me it happened to me last year ^^

  158. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    To be fair looking for clues won’t help with lowering expectations here, trust me it happened to me last year ^^

    Me too! That’s why I don’t want to expect anything this year…

    Last year even after Dany went crowd surfing and the credits rolled I sat there waiting, expecting to see a LS scene and nothing.

    That’s why this year I just want to enjoy the last episodes without expectation…

    Anyway, your detailed list of hints was awesome. Hope you’re correct but I still refuse to expect it =)

  159. jentario
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    What is the point of Brienne and Pod if LS gets cut? Also, it’s a pretty big story element. D&D don’t do that (or won’t until season 5 with the Iron Islands, though no one really knows).

  160. sati
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Wish I could do that and just chill – I too sat in front of the screen practically with my jaw dropped after end credits started in finale last year. I was so underwhelmed.

    I’m just dying to see what she looks like on the show.

  161. Arthur
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Wish I could do that and just chill – I too sat in front of the screen practically with my jaw dropped after end credits started in finale last year. I was so underwhelmed.

    I thought after the credits we’d see Nymeria sniffing around then jumping into a river, grabbing Cat and dragging her to shore, then Nymeria running off and the BwB stumbling upon her, then screen to black…

    Something like that anyway… I also felt it was a wasted opportunity but will reserve judgment until we see what D&D have planned.

  162. The Lion Lord
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    It amuses me that episode 10 will take place on Father’s Day.

  163. The Ghost of Karl Tanner
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Karl Tanner:
    Fatio Corcyn,

    Nope, Victarion, Cersei and Asha are both POVs in ADWD and AFFC for instance, Arya’s not the only one.

    Listen here mate, there’s only one legend around here you stoopid Fookin c*nt and it isn’t you

  164. Josh
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    sati:
    Arthur,

    8. guy who plays Anguy has a scene this season

    Man I hope this is the true. I desperately want Brienne’s last AFFC chapter this year. Where did you hear this?

  165. the one true bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    GRENN is who i think will take that role, i remember seeing a shot of them (green included) jumping back in a tunnel behind a gateso one would assume it would be him
    Hodor’s Bastard,

  166. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 14, 2014 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    the one true bastard,

    Poor Grenn! I wonder how many familiar NWmen we’ll lose during ep9. I think Alliser will also perish…maybe Dolorous Edd? They’ve got to save Slynt for “Fetch me a Block” in S5, I’m assuming.

  167. HungryBear
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    The show doesn’t seem adverse to throwing in filler when needed so I wonder if the introduction of Ramsey’s companion “Miranda” could be used somehow for the Sansa/LF storyline, being that there was a character with that name in the books. They were cautious with changing stuff like Asha/Yara so it seems too weird of a coincidence.

    Not too say it couldn’t also happen in the books going forward – a potential spoiler for sullied! :D

  168. Annara Snow
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 5:27 am | Permalink

    I don’t understand why people expected LS in the season 3 finale. It was way early for that. That would be like GRRM making her appear 3 chapters after the RW.

    The end of season 4 is the perfect time for it.

  169. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Annara Snow,
    No one expecting the epilogue to be in S3. What people were hoping to see was something like the scene in the books where Arya is warged in Nymeria and she pulls Catelyn’s body out of the river.

  170. jentario
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    IMO it should have happened in the premiere, right after the credits, followed by a short conversation between Arya and the Hound where she talks of Nymeria.

  171. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    jentario,
    When it didn’t happen in S3 I wanted it to be a cold open to the premiere, with the Brotherhood finding the body and Beric commenting on the atrocities committed by House Frey. It would have been a nice little send-off for Beric (without viewers realising it is a send off until LS appears in the finale), and could have set them up to mention the Brotherhood hanging Frey’s throughout the season. But alas, it did not happen.

  172. jentario
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I don’t think Berric will die like that in the show… It felt very wrong in the books and more so in the show since it isn’t a “kiss” anymore.

  173. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    jentario,
    When it didn’t happen in S3 I wanted it to be a cold open to the premiere, with the Brotherhood finding the body and Beric commenting on the atrocities committed by House Frey. It would have been a nice little send-off for Beric (without viewers realising it is a send off until LS appears in the finale), and could have set them up to mention the Brotherhood hanging Frey’s throughout the season. But alas, it did not happen.

    Although I thought the “Two Swords” cold open for S4 was a great idea, I was secretly hoping for that BwB/Nymeria scene as well. In my head, the non-PoV resurrection will always be the last scene of S3 (Mhysa!!!!!!!!) or the first scene of an early S4 episode (which obviously didn’t happen). Now, no CH, either. (Grrr!) So, I am anxiously awaiting a few sentences between Tywin and another at KL when they discuss crazy violent random attacks on Lannister/Frey troops by the BwB or a wolfpack in the Riverlands. THEY MUST KNOW THAT A VERY PURPOSEFUL INSURRECTION IS HAPPENING!…and Briene/Pod will wander right into the middle of it!

  174. Shane snow
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Isn’t it possible they filmed it last year

  175. MRR
    Posted May 15, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    sati:
    MRR,

    You mean like you using the words ‘silliness’, ‘ridiculous’ and ‘hilarious’?

    “OMG someone said I was being ‘silly’ online! That’s so hostile!”
    Who’s being “butthurt” now?

    I really don’t know what to expect from the show anymore. A lot of things that become quite important in the books and that wouldn’t take much to film (such as Arya waking from one of her “wolf dreams” and describing it to Sandor) are being cut; many reveals are happening in quite different contexts or distinctly out-of-order from the books (such as Lysa’s revelation about Jon Arryn – it makes a little more sense when she’s in a moment of complete hysteria than just when she’s happy to see Petyr); the relationships of important characters are being mixed up (Jaime doesn’t abandon his genuine love for Cersei until much later in the books, Sam isn’t sworn to secrecy about Bran’s presence which adds some depth to his character, and the Dany/Barristan interactions have been pretty thin on the show thusfar compared to the books); we’re getting whole new scenes with questionable dramatic effect (I thought the Craster’s Keep/mutineers situation was pretty cartoonish, and the chance for Bran to meet Jon seemed like too much of a retread of their chance in the Gift); etc. etc. etc. Some of these changes have no doubt been necessary, but some of them seem pretty off-the-wall to me. At this point I’m not really sure what to expect from the show, and what might seem like set-up for important events that happen in the books might turn into something completely different in the show.

  176. Casso
    Posted May 16, 2014 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Although I thought the “Two Swords” cold open for S4 was a great idea, I was secretly hoping for that BwB/Nymeria scene as well. In my head, the non-PoV resurrection will always be the last scene of S3 (Mhysa!!!!!!!!) or the first scene of an early S4 episode (which obviously didn’t happen). Now, no CH, either. (Grrr!) So, I am anxiously awaiting a few sentences between Tywin and another at KL when they discuss crazy violent random attacks on Lannister/Frey troops by the BwB or a wolfpack in the Riverlands. THEY MUST KNOW THAT A VERY PURPOSEFUL INSURRECTION IS HAPPENING!…and Briene/Pod will wander right into the middle of it!

    I wonder if Tywin will have any discussion about the BwB with Ser Gregor when he arrives in King’s Landing. Gregor was supposed to be dealing with them, and hasn’t been very successful. It could be a good opportunity to let viewers know that they’re still around (and they’re pissed at the Freys) before revealing the change in leadership

    Also, there was another reference to guest right and divine curses for violating it when Sandor and Arya stayed at the farm house. I think Lady Stoneheart is far too important to cut completely, and I suspect we’ll see her by the end of this season, but I’m concerned that they might cut Arya’s wolf dreams and Nymeria’s role. I hope they don’t cut that, because it seems quite important to Arya holding on to her identity in books 4 & 5. I could definitely see them scaling down Nymeria’s pack to just an ordinary sized wolf pack, or even Nymeria as a lone wolf, and I’d be fine with that, but if they cut Nymeria completely, I’ll be quite disappointed.

  177. Packers412
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    the other guy,

    They could have filmed it last season. They would have all the actors there (BWB) and wouldn’t need any of them to return for shooting.

  178. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    Casso: I wonder if Tywin will have any discussion about the BwB with Ser Gregor when he arrives in King’s Landing.Gregor was supposed to be dealing with them, and hasn’t been very successful.It could be a good opportunity to let viewers know that they’re still around (and they’re pissed at the Freys) before revealing the change in leadership


    Also, there was another reference to guest right and divine curses for violating it when Sandor and Arya stayed at the farm house.I think Lady Stoneheart is far too important to cut completely, and I suspect we’ll see her by the end of this season, but I’m concerned that they might cut Arya’s wolf dreams and Nymeria’s role.I hope they don’t cut that, because it seems quite important to Arya holding on to her identity in books 4 & 5.I could definitely see them scaling down Nymeria’s pack to just an ordinary sized wolf pack, or even Nymeria as a lone wolf, and I’d be fine with that, but if they cut Nymeria completely, I’ll be quite disappointed.

    Yes! They had a chance to have that “riverlands activity” conversation in this past episode. Tywin & the small council needs to hear of the grassroots insurrection going on there…hopefully via the Mountain or his men. Unfortunately, they only have one more episode to have that conversation. Imho, we the viewers need some sort of logical insight for this situation to unfold properly…most likely for Brienne.

    I also hope that they exploit the Nymeria-Arya connection but show Arya definitely hasn’t displayed any warg dreams. I agree that her dreams are her ties to Westeros while she is faceless in Braavos. Even the most recent TWoW chapter released, Mercy, has a warg dream in it. I will be disappointed as well if we don’t hear of Nymeria soon. Hopefully, she’s not in a cage somewhere…like Ghost was.

  179. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Mod, could you please get my response to Casso out of your spam filter? Thanks. It has 2 paragraphs in it.

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  181. Mozartjazz
    Posted June 8, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Still loving the show, but when they kill off Tyrion, I am done! That leaves only the Dragon Queen as a person of interest. I have had my fill of the other the other sadistic Lannisters.


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