Season 4, Episode 7 – Mockingbird – Recap
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Oberyn Martell

Tonight on Game of Thrones, new alliances were forged, and others were thrown aside. Check out our book readers recap and feel free to stop by our comments section below to let us know what you thought of tonight’s episode, “Mockingbird.”

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read the A Song of Ice and Fire series. As such the post itself and the comments will contain spoilers. If you haven’t read the books yet, you can discuss this episode in our non-book-reader recap. Thanks!


Tyrion and Jaime
We start off this week’s episode in Tyrion’s prison cell, with Jaime giving his brother hell for throwing down the gauntlet at the trial. Tyrion admits he fell in love with Shae, and that his actions were partly driven by the desire to rob his father of the perfect deal he’d crafted; Tyrion won’t be exiled to the Wall, and Tywin won’t get to have Jaime as his heir after all.

But in spite of everything that has happened, Tyrion does still have faith in one person in the world- his big brother. When Tyrion expresses the hope that Jaime will be his champion, the Kingslayer’s forced to admit he’s still not able to fight well enough with one hand. He can’t do it, and so Tyrion has one person left to turn to- Bronn.

Jaime then reveals who his champion will be facing: the infamous Ser Gregor Clegane, also known as the Mountain.

The Mountain
Cersei approaches as the Mountain trains using captive peasants as dummies, disemboweling the men during his practice. She welcomes him back to King’s Landing for the duel ahead, and the knight makes it clear he doesn’t even care who he’s there to fight.

Journeying toward the Vale, Arya and the Hound come upon a gravely wounded old man who has already accepted his death. They exchange words, with Arya revealing her true name to the doomed man. The man asks for a drink from the Hound, who gives it to him- along with a clean stab through heart, ending the man’s prolonged suffering, and demonstrating to Arya the proper way to kill.

The Hound and Biter
As the Hound stands, he is suddenly jumped from behind by Biter, the prisoner last seen accompanying Jaqen H’ghar in Harrehal. He lays his sharpened teeth into the Hound’s neck, but the Hound knocks him off, and breaks the man’s neck. His partner in crime from the Harrenhal days, Rorge, jumps into the fray with sword in hand, and reveals there’s a fat bounty on the Hound’s head now as a result of him killing the Lannister soldiers at the inn. Arya recognizes Rorge, though she doesn’t know his name and he isn’t on her list. He offers his name, and she immediately stabs him through the heart with Needle.

Jon and the surviving Night’s Watchmen returning to the Wall, with a less than warm welcome from Ser Alliser Thorne. The men of the Watch discuss the impending invasion and their potential weaknesses in a meeting, with Jon Snow pressing the need to seal off the tunnels under the Wall. Thorne opposes Jon all the way, enlisting the First Builder Othell Yarwyck in agreement, and dismissing Jon’s valid concerns.

Tyrion and Bronn
Several days after Tyrion sent for him, Bronn finally stops by to see him, with his circumstances considerably improved, based on his rich new clothes. Bronn’s loyalty has always been for sale, and Cersei has apparently made an offer. The sellsword will be marrying the noblewoman Lollys Stokeworth, unless Tyrion can make a better offer. Bronn considers Tyrion’s possible future repayment of a debt, and acknowledges he might be able to take the Mountain if he tires the huge man out… but he might also get killed. He likes Tyrion very much, but he won’t risk his life for him. The two men part sadly, their friendly relationship irrevocably changed.

At night in Meereen, Daario Naharis sneaks into Dany’s chambers to present her with fresh flowers, but the khaleesi is not impressed. The man admits he is there to ask a favor: he is chafing at the inactivity, and wishes to do what he excels at, which generally involves fighting or women. He pleads to be sent to kill for her.  Dany makes a counteroffer, and allows him to do what else he does best- and has him strip.

Queen Selyse visits Melisandre in her room and finds the Red Woman in her bath. In a change of roles, it’s the queen who is fetching items to bring to the other woman’s tub. Melisandre relaxes and attempts to joke with the stiff queen, with little success. The red priestess explains her array of potions and the nature of deceptions, and how it’s unnecessary for Selyse with her understanding of truth. Selyse is still concerned about Shireen coming with them when they depart, due to her lack of faith in R’hllor, but Melisandre shows Selyse the flames. Shireen must come with them on their journey.

Daenerys
The morning after her dalliance with Daario, Jorah spies the sellsword leaving her chambers. He questions the wisdom of getting involved with a man like him, but she informs Jorah she has sent Daario to retake Yunkai and slay all the Masters this time. Jorah counsels her to use restraint, as a model to the others in the city who have only known brutality, and Daenerys is swayed to his reasoning. Dany decides that Hizdahr zo Loraq will accompany Daario to Yunkai, and they will attempt to use persuasion on the Masters of Yunkai.

The Hound is especially irritable when we see him and Arya on their travels again. The wound Biter left on his neck may be infected, and he cannot tolerate fire anywhere near him to help cleanse and close the bite. The Hound shares with Arya the cause of his horrible scars and his fear of fire, and that the culprit was his own brother, Gregor. Affected by the tale he tells, Arya tends to the Hound’s wound.

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After a few weeks on the road, Brienne and Pod stop at an inn for a hot meal and encounter a chatty employee that viewers will recognize as Arya’s pal, Hot Pie. Brienne questions him if he’s seen a girl matching Sansa’s description. The baker boy recognizes the name Stark, but clams up suspiciously. Brienne tries to reassure him, by telling Hot Pie she pledged herself to Catelyn, but he hurries off.

Pod senses that openly mentioning Sansa Stark may be a mistake, given the current situation. As they saddle up, Hot Pie runs after them outside and tells them about Arya, last seen with a man they realize must be the Hound. He presents them with a piece of wolf bread to give to Arya. Pod and Brienne decide that the Vale is where they’ll head next.

Tyrion receives a third and somewhat surprising visitor in his cell- Oberyn Martell. The Dornishman tells the tale of how as a child he met baby Tyrion, after having heard tell of the monster that had been born to the Lannisters. Young Cersei presented her little brother to the Dornish children cruelly, Oberyn relates, telling the others how Tyrion killed their mother, with her pinching the baby until Jaime made her stop. It seems that Cersei really has hated Tyrion his entire life.

Oberyn then reveals his true purpose for the visit. He came to King’s Landing for justice, for his sister Elia and her children. He will be Tyrion’s champion against Ser Gregor Clegane.
LF and Sansa

Snow has fallen on the Eyrie, and Sansa is playing like a child, rebuilding Winterfell as a snow castle. Her cousin Robin joins her, and proposes building a Moon Door in her snow Winterfell. The situation escalates when the boy destroys a tower. Sansa admonishes him, and he lashes out, kicking the entire Winterfell recreation to pieces. Sansa slaps him and regrets it, but the boy runs off, crying.

Littlefinger finds her outside distraught, and reassures her that Robin needed a slapping. Sansa questions Lord Baelish frankly as to why he really killed Joffrey, and he admits, “I loved your mother more than you could ever know. Given the opportunity, what do we do to those who hurt the ones we love?”

Drawing closer to Sansa, Littlefinger kisses her.

And from above, Lysa sees.

Lysa and Sansa

Summoned to the main chamber of the Eyrie, Sansa finds Lysa standing by the Moon Door, ruminating over its height and the devastating effect of the fall on bodies.

Lysa confronts Sansa about her actions- not hitting Robin, but kissing Petyr. Dragging Sansa to the edge, Lysa is heartbroken and screaming at her niece, with her holding Sansa’s head over the Moon Door. Littlefinger arrives in the nick of time and demands his wife let Sansa go. Lysa breaks down sobbing, and throws Sansa back from the edge.

Littlefinger takes her into his arms and comforts Lysa, telling her, “I have only loved one woman. Only one my entire life.”

“Your sister.”

And with that, he shoves her through the Moon Door, to her death.

LF and Lysa

What I Liked

Tyrion’s Cell Scenes- The three scenes seeking a champion were all very strong, with the Tyrion-Oberyn scene my favorite scene of the episode.  The look on Peter Dinklage’s face when Oberyn was telling the story about baby Tyrion was a heartbreaker. And the farewell for Tyrion and Bronn’s friendship was just right, in character and not too maudlin.

Restoring the Hound’s story- Never did feel right, letting someone else tell his story. I’m happy Rory McCann finally got a crack at telling the origin of the Hound’s scars. It’s good timing of course, with Gregor’s return. Which reminds me…

The reintroduction of Gregor Clegane- It’s not the most subtle way to reestablish someone is a Bad Guy, chopping up peasants, but then the Mountain never was a subtle villain. Just brutal carnage and very suitable for the introduction of Hafthor Bjornsson in the role.

Using faces we know- If you’re going to show people traveling through Westeros and encountering someone, why not show a familiar face like Hot Pie? It was a neat surprise. With the same logic, it was good to use Biter and Rorge in the Hound and Arya’s story if we weren’t going to be getting the entirety of Brienne’s journey.

The Eyrie’s creepy shenanigans – Kate Dickie is wild fun as Lysa, and Littlefinger is doing his thing, and I love seeing Sansa on her toes, at her best.

What I Didn’t Like

“Your sister.” – Yes, this is a major nitpick and it will not ruin this scene at all for me. But I just don’t see the point in changing the quote from “Only Cat” to “Your sister.” It’s not like the audience doesn’t know who Cat or Catelyn is anymore.

Muddled Melisandre scene- Was there a point to having her be in the tub in that scene? I’m not opposed to nudity in general but the whole scene was strange, with the priestess seeming far more casual than her usual self. She’s laying out all her secrets as far as the powders and how she’s creating illusions, and just assuming Selyse will be fine with having been deceived about some of her abilities? Perhaps she wants to keep Selyse off-balance, so that’s why she was erratic,  but the scene was just weird.


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433 Comments

  1. Caplan
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!!

  2. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Good.

    Okey, I am a little bit bothered by the “Only Cat”. Scratch that. It was one of the best one liners of the series. These are the really small changes that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    A still enjoyed it tho.

  3. Amanda M
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    No “Only Cat” :( (though I guess it was close enough haha)
    Otherwise, perfect!!! I was surprised they kept the kiss (and glad, because it’s so important!)

    I can’t wait two weeks for the next one. Ahhh!

  4. AmmieChan
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Wow. Great stuff tonight. Lysa out the moon door was an excellent end for the 2 week wait we’ll now have to bear. Cant wait for next episode, gonna probably be best episode yet!

  5. Shan
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Ahhhhhhhhhh yes im starting to have anxiety because its almost over and because we’re so close to the huge stuff in 10!!

  6. Only Cat
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Your sister vs Only Cat… CMON whats up with d&d making changes to these awesome one liners for no reason?? Hotpie scene was great tying loose ends

  7. reyne22
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Only, your sister????? Loses weight but still a couple of great scenes esp with tyrion/bronn/oberyn

  8. Andrew
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Hot Pie! Glad to see him again. Loved all the stuff this episode. Sansa is a damn good snowcastle sculptor.

  9. Winter Soldier
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    So glad to see Hot Pie again, great scene. Though I can’t remember if that happened in the books.

    Poor Biter and Rorge, lol. I’m wondering if that bite is what is going to “kill” the Hound?

    This was a great episode all in all, not sure about the Mel-Selyse scene exactly, all I heard was that Shireen was coming with them and could be important. Other than that…I was a bit distracted. Lol.

  10. ash
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Have some empathy for the unsullied – many may not remember or have caught that her sister’s name is cat. It made sense for him to say that, and in the end, the effect was the same. The look on Lysa’s face from the moment he said he only loved one woman, till the last second was priceless

  11. GeekFurious
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Everything with Tyrion was great. Now just two weeks to see the fight book fans have been waiting over a decade to see.

  12. Ashara D
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.
    2. What will the ripple effect be of Brienne and Pod knowing that Arya is still alive, if any?
    Discuss.

  13. Shan
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Winter Soldier,

    My guess is that they’re going to burn Shireen as she has kings blood.

  14. ash
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Winter Soldier,

    No I don’t think Hot Pie appeared again in the books, but it was a good way of giving Brienne info, and I loved the new improved wolf bread. Only problem I had was how much older HP looked. Last week, Cerseis says its been over a year since she saw her daughter. So its probably been only a year or so since Ned’s death, so Hot Pie should still look like he was. or have I gotten time totally mixed up? Anyway, great episode

  15. dreamlife
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    So many awesome book to screen moments:
    -Oberyn telling Tyrion of their first meeting (including Cersei pinching Tyrion’s privates) The look on Tyrion’s face was heart-breaking. I remember how bothered I was by that scene when I read it. I’m glad they kept it in the series

    -Uh oh. Infection is setting in for The Hound.

    -Nice Brienne, Podrick, Hot Pie meeting in this episode. Also, I got a little teary-eyed when Hot Pie made the direwolf bread. I was expecting a big scene to occur on the road. I guess that’s coming.

    -Interesting conversation with Melisandre and Selyse about the importance of Shireen!! I hope her “importance” does not mean she’s going to sacrificed/burned alive, but something big.

    -Awesome scenes with Sansa and Littlefinger. Plus, Lysa out the moondoor was so gratifying!!

  16. Tabes
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Solid episode as always but I’m growing anxious about the lack of Nymeria. Are they going to scrap that? God I hope not. It just seems like at this point there would have been at least a mention of her and her pack of wolves. And I don’t understand the change from “Only Cat” to “your sister” I know I know, it’s a small change but why? Other than that, can’t wait for the last three eps! Hate that we have to wait two weeks!

  17. The Bastard
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D:
    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.
    2. What will the ripple effect be of Brienne and Pod knowing that Arya is still alive, if any?
    Discuss.

    Yeah they are certainly foreshadowing a lot of stuff that isn’t in the current 5 books.

  18. Daemon
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Next episode (almost said week :() looks SO good. Lollys! Wish there was a little more internal conflict with the Daenerys/Daario thing, but I suppose that can still happen. Very happy they put in the story of Oberyn’s visit to Casterly Rock. Nice to get one last shining moment for the Hound.

  19. The Bastard
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Another great episode. This season has been amazing.

    We are currently in the second half of the entire series. Things are only going to get more intense.

  20. Yureina
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    That’s one of the few adaptation changes this show had made that I am genuinely annoyed by. Changing an awesome one-liner from one of the most memorable scenes in the books followed by some shoddy CGI.

    That makes me sad. :(

  21. David The Grey
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Shan: Lysa out the moon door was an excellent end for the 2 week wait we’ll now have to bear. Cant wait for next episode, gonna probably

    I hate this time of year! When it’s almost over and you know you’ve got such a long wait for the next season. But – what amazing 3 episodes left, I imagine every second is going to have us at the edge of our seats in excitement and joy!!!

    Wow such big events already starting. I hooted & hollered when Sansa struck Robin (you go girl, let the anger out!) and then “oh fuck!” when LF kissed Sansa and another “oh fuck” when it showed Lysa watching from above!

    I nearly cried when The Hound consented to Arya patching up his neck, how he exposed it to her and she began washing it. So tender, fricking loved it.

    And the best scene of all – Tyrion and Oberyn. Oberyn’s relating of his first meeting of Tyrion, and of course the expressions on Tyrion’s face. Flawless scene, hopefully a thousand awards will be lavished upon them.

    So much happiness in my heart, it will be enough to last me to episode 8!

  22. Ryan E
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Only Cat:
    Your sister vs Only Cat… CMON whats up with d&d making changes to these awesome one liners for no reason?? Hotpie scene was great tying loose ends

    Obviously it was because they figured many viewers wouldn’t remember her nickname.

  23. Sansa Bird
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Sophie and Aiden did so well this episode, not to mention Katie Dickie who was brilliant, albeit her part short lived!

    I was so worried they wouldn’t keep the kiss in, but while I enjoyed the Sansa scenes, I felt like the kiss was a bit too consensual. Sansa doesn’t want to kiss him in the books, she shoves him away after he forcibly grabs her. I enjoyed the scene because I find Petyr/Sansa very interesting, but I’m just unsure of how I feel about making Sansa’s affections returned.

    Also, the exposition of this episode really lack imo. Like fleeting from one scene to the next without any movement shots? Idk sometimes it felt jumbled. I wished they left “Only Cat” in, it was such a lame change, that one-liner had my mouth open like an idiot when I read it!

    Can’t wait for more Sansa stuff next ep, too bad it’s so long away…

  24. brightroar
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    The fight is one of my favorite moments of all A song of Ice and Fire. As a devoted book reader i can only hope D&D do it justice. Also hope they put in the red viper’s poisoned spearhead. “You’re going to fight that?”
    “I’m going to kill that”

  25. Jakylla
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    The episode was very slow but the moon door was good. I just dissapointed that the writers did not keep the original reply: “Only Cat”.

  26. Shan
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Yureina:
    That’s one of the few adaptation changes this show had made that I am genuinely annoyed by. Changing an awesome one-liner from one of the most memorable scenes in the books followed by some shoddy CGI.

    That makes me sad. :(

    Yeah the CGI was really rough…. ouch

  27. The Bastard
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Shireen is going to marry Jon Snow. You heard it hear first. That is my prediction and I’m sticking too it.

  28. BranSnow
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    I liked the change to “your sister”. Until the episode title came out, I wasn’t expecting to see that scene til season 5. This series is moving right along! Super excited/sad for the next episode.

  29. GeoffreynotJoffrey
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Littlefinger blaming Lysa’s death on the minstrel or whatever he was, was an easier escape, now how does he play her death without guilt or suspicion?
    The hound is easier to like on screen than in the books. News seem to travel fast in the seven kingdoms lol.

  30. Clob
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    reyne22:
    Only, your sister?????Loses weight but still a couple of great scenes esp with tyrion/bronn/oberyn

    I don’t see any lost “weight” in the way he said it at all. “In all my life I’ve only loved one woman. Only one…. Your sister.” *shove* What’s so special in “Only Cat” to some people? The shovin’ her out the moon door was the big thing.

  31. Winter Soldier
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    I still think Littlefinger throwing Lysa out the moon door and then show Lady Stoneheart would have been great…but I guess timeline wise it doesn’t make sense. Considering it looks like the Lords Declarant are appearing in the next episode.

    I guess with no fall guy like Marillion they’ll just say she fell.

  32. Shan
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    When the Stark theme song played as they showed the snow Winterfell …. I was teary eyed

  33. pntrlqst
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    I’d wager the “Only Cat” line will be in the finale, in some other context, and preceding a certain scene.

  34. Venger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Hell Yes. Oberyn rocks!
    And, man, do I love the hound now. I know the books are what they are… but I’m really deep into the show and trying to deny knowing how things turn out for different characters.
    Hats off to the production. Well done. IMO.

  35. JamesL
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t watched the episode yet but apparently they changed “only Cat” to “your sister”. Before people bitch you have to think about why they do this stuff. Much of the audience doesn’t even know Catelyn’s name especially as “Cat”, to many she is just Lady Stark. Having “only Cat” instead of “your sister”wouldn’t make the scene any better, it is just something book readers were expecting and now it gives them something else to bitch about.

  36. Roger König
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D:
    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.
    2. What will the ripple effect be of Brienne and Pod knowing that Arya is still alive, if any?
    Discuss.

    For Arya, well they know nothing, since HotPie is not uptodate. So Arya lived like 6 months (?) ago, somewhere in the riverlands, where the war is taking place. Could be dead by now. ;)

  37. The Bastard
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Winter Soldier:
    I still think Littlefinger throwing Lysa out the moon door and then show Lady Stoneheart would have been great…but I guess timeline wise it doesn’t make sense. Considering it looks like the Lords Declarant are appearing in the next episode.

    I guess with no fall guy like Marillion they’ll just say she fell.

    I think a lot of stuff has to do with timing. Each character needs a story arc for the season. This slightly messes up the timelines from the book. It happens with Jaime returning to Kings Landing at a different time compared to the book.

    Overall D&D have done a wonderful job of keeping to the spirit of the books and making sure they hit all of the key events.

  38. Shan
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    I was slightly disappointed when I didnt hear “only cat” just cause thats what id been expecting for so long but I wouldve done it the exact same way. It just doesnt make sense to say something that unsullied wouldn’t catch on to – most could not tell you what Catelyns nickname is. I think were disappointed cause weve been waiting for it so long but Im sure that “your sister” had the exact same effect on unsullied. I dont think its a valid complaint. The CGI that followed, however….. shudder

  39. Mario Mjoed
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    im very curious whose ear brienne will bite off.

  40. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    I knew they’re be a lot of butthurt over only Cat. I was not under the impression that it was the most important line of the entire series. It was shorthand book users use for the scene. As someone pointed out above, it was never really established that Cat was Catelyn’s nickname in the show. Saying “your sister” was just as good. It really drove home that Lysa say Catelyn as a rival and resented her, something that the show didn’t have that much time to go into.

    Get over it people. It was a great pair of scenes. Stop whining and enjoy it.

  41. JamesL
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Yureina,

    “Only Cat” isn’t an awesome one liner though, if GRRM wrote “your sister” in books and the show changed it to “only Cat” people would be bitching at them for changing it. Either way it is irrelevant, neither line makes the scene better or worse.

  42. gewa76
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    I guess ‘only your sister’ has now replaced ‘the Lannisters send their regards’ at the top of the nerdrage meter.

  43. ebevan91
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    So did we get naked Melisandre in this episode? I still need to watch episode 6 so I won’t be watching episode 7 tonight most likely.

  44. GeoffreynotJoffrey
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    I’m calling it now, I think Jon Snow and Danys ends up a couple, and rule the seven kingdoms, good thing for screen watchers and book readers a lot has to happen in between.

  45. Only Cat
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Ryan E,

    Thats almost as bad a reason for changing Asha to Yara. This isn’t the only line they have changed for no reason.

    How hard is it for Lysa to say “Cat never loved you like I did”

  46. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Yes, it is this year’s “The Lannisters Send Their Regards.” I am a Jaime fanboy and I consider “Jaime Lannister Sends His Regards” to be the most iconic line in the series, and I got over the change fairly quickly.

  47. Queenofthorns
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    I enjoyed the Dany stuff for once! She IMO came across as pretty smart. Maybe now people will stop whining about how she never listens to advice. Nah, nvm now they will just start bitching about how she supposedly is too trusting or easily swayed. Can’t win.

    Bonus Daario butt, and kudos to Dany for jumping right into that casual sex, heck yes.

  48. Only Cat
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    ebevan91,

    Yes for like 2 minutes straight lol

  49. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    My Shireen prediction is that she’ll bring a greyscale epidemic to the north while Jon Con brings it to the south. In the excerpt from A World of Ice and Fire that westeros.org released a few days ago it was revealed that the greyscale epidemic in the Sorrows was the result of a curse. It’s a magic disease. Val is afraid of Shireen for a reason. I don’t know what that has to do with Melisandre’s vision in the show, that’s just my Shireen theory. Remember though, the books establish that Mel’s visions are vague and she doesn’t always interpret them. Maybe Shireen will be burned to stave off the epidemic or something? IDK, sort of off topic for this anyway.

  50. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D:
    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.

    I wondered about that as well. D&D might know something here. It’s obvious that Mel thinks that Shireen might be a valuable asset to have in the north. Perhaps as a sacrifice…but maybe greyscale isn’t the disease that we think it is.

    Go Team Shireen!

  51. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    I’d say “The Lannisters send their regards” wasn’t as nerd-rage inducing mostly because it spared Jaime Lannister from bad treatment and he is a fan favorite.

    It was simply a stupid change.

    I do have a real question tho, how the hell did Hotpie knew that Arya was with the Hound?

  52. Tabes
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    You’re right, changing the line was not that big a deal, I overreacted, thank the gods for my fellow GOT fans talking sense into me.

  53. Only Cat
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Who are you to tell people what are awesome one liners? Gtfo lmao

  54. ebevan91
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Only Cat:
    ebevan91,

    Yes for like 2 minutes straight lol

    Lube, check. Tissues, check. Nobody standing over my shoulder, check.

  55. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    ebevan91,

    Yes, and it was glorious. That woman is stunningly gorgeous.

  56. Ra
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    I was waiting for the ‘Only Cat’ line since it was quite memorable from the book. However I do like how the show is riveting and how different from the book the show is. I liked both scenes with Tyrion (of course) and we finally got Dario and Dany hooked up. The new actor for the Mountain certainly looks the part despite the fact that he clearly cant act. Good episode, I wonder how Petyr is going to get out of Lysa’s murder without the bard.

  57. Arthur
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone else get on the verge of tears while watching Oberyn tell Tyrion the bookstory of when he saw him as a baby?

    Seriously, that was a fucking POWERFUL scene… Both actors were amazing in it, both on the verge of tears.

    The delivery of Oberyn’s speech and the reception by Tyrion was incredible to watch, Tyrion’s went from sadness to a kind of joy when Oberyn told him he’d be his champion.

    IDK man, my heart was just pounding… That scene was incredible for me to watch…

  58. johnnytata
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I knew they’re be a lot of butthurt over only Cat.I was not under the impression that it was the most important line of the entire series.It was shorthand book users use for the scene.As someone pointed out above, it was never really established that Cat was Catelyn’s nickname in the show.Saying “your sister” was just as good.It really drove home that Lysa say Catelyn as a rival and resented her, something that the show didn’t have that much time to go into.

    Get over it people.It was a great pair of scenes.Stop whining and enjoy it.

    spot on. this is why i stopped reading so many of these message boards.

    all week all i read was hype, hype overhype for “only cat,” honestly didn’t even remember that line from the books, which i loved and read not that long ago.

    then, when he didn’t say that exact line, it pulled me right out of the episode because it wasn’t what i was expecting.

    never mind it was an effing awesome moment nonetheless, but i am annoyed that i let myself get unwillingly overyhyped for what is, in the grand scheme of things just not a big deal.

    and for the people who are pissed about it, it’s only the most predictable response ever..

  59. Greenjones
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Mario Mjoed,

    I suspect they’ll be merging the ASOS epilogue with Brienne’s last AFFC chapter. Maybe she runs afoul of some Freys and that bitey bitey happens and then they all get captured by the BWB.

  60. Daemon
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Do we need spoiler tags in this thread? I figured not since it is book readers. Anyway, I was under the impression that those who survived greyscale were essentially cured of it and that the greyness was simply a scar in those cases. If it was so contagious, I hardly think Stannis and Davos would be paying her visits. Val could just be superstitious and see the girl as cursed.

  61. Eyrie?
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Where was the Eyrie in the opening credits of this episode and last? Seems like a major oversight…

    They had it in Season 1…

  62. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Queenofthorns,

    I wanted more Dany commands.

    “Hop on one leg!”
    “Bark like a dog!”
    “Say my name!”…”Khaleesiiiiii!”…”No, it’s Daenerys!”

  63. Daemon
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    JoffreyTrueKing,

    The Hound was captured by the Brotherhood before Hot Pie and Arya parted ways. I think only the episode before, but before nonetheless.

  64. Venger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    I truly don’t remember ever looking forward to the next episode of any show, ever, as much as I’m looking forward to the next 3!
    The quality just keeps getting better. As well as the acting

  65. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    I was so very excited to see Hot Pie. In my excitement I thought Pod was Gendry for a second though. That was sort of disappointing. The return of the wolf bread just made me so happy.

    I was not expecting Rorge and Biter would wind up in the Arya/Hound arc, but clever way to bring him to the brink of death.

    Despite the only Cat change there was actually a lot of fan service. Oberyn finally told the story of meeting Tyrion as a baby. Even the cock twisting part was included! Poor baby Tyrion :( We also found out that the Stokeworths are in! My guess is they cast Felyse and have Cersei give her to Qyburn just like the books. The whole Cersei-Qyburn relationship is one of the most disturbing things in the series and that’s saying a lot.

    There were fantastic performances from the whole cast tonight. Especially Sophie, Maisie, Rory, Peter and Pedro.

    Did Brienne find out that Arya is alive so she can pledge to LS that she’ll find her too? Notice that Brienne had a line about her pledge to Cat. I’m counting this as evidence that LS is in. After all, they managed to keep Hot Pie’s return a secret. Getting excited!

    That snow Winterfell scene was everything I wanted it to be. Really A+ work by Sophie Turner, Alik Sakarov (sp?) and D&D. That was far more important to me than the only Cat line. It was one of my favorite moments in the books and the show did it justice.

  66. Mariamb
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Mario Mjoed:
    im very curious whose ear brienne will bite off.

    I’m curious about this as well, especially since Gwen made mention of it in one of the “in production” previews.

    The Mel – Selyse scene was interesting. Mel’s ability to use potions to create illusions. Shireen as a possible sacrifice?

    Tyrion’s scenes with Bronn and Oberyn were quietly powerful. A testament to these three actors, particularly Pedro. I am assuming that his nickname gets introduced in the next episode…judging by the name of the episode.

  67. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Mel wants to burn Shireen for better winds? Either way, Stannis better shout that sexy priestess down, even if it means no more sex…okay, maybe he can compromise and find some leeches.

  68. Ed
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Pretty much this right here. Don’t know what the big deal is. I wouldn’t doubt they did it on purpose just to rustle the jimmies of all the whiners.

    They’re probably sitting at home right now reading comments and laughing at you all.

    Ryan E: Obviously it was because they figured many viewers wouldn’t remember her nickname.

  69. Michel
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Biter vs Arya was a big surprise for me since Gwendoline said she would bite someone ears off these season.. I swear it would be him, so who…

    The Shireen talk was very confuse even for me, a book reader.

    Okay, the Brotherhood is being mentioned again, let’s just not panic for LS yet..

    I”m pretty sure that The Hound is gonna die from that hurt

    Was the lf and sansa talk about winterfell a foreshadow that she will return there?

  70. Sean C.
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    The Moon Door scene was rushed as hell, but I’ve come to expect that about Sansa’s plot. The writers can always be counted on to do the absolute minimum.

    I liked seeing Hot Pie again (when people were discussing potential leads that Brienne could follow, he was one of the only ones that came to mind based on the show’s history, but I wasn’t sure just because we hadn’t heard anything about that actor being back).

  71. Arthur
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Venger,

    Me too!

    I hope Oberyn says his lines during the duel! I don’t know if I am going to be able to remain seated while watching that scene!!!

  72. gewa76
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    As a purist, I have to say Melisandre’s nipples are distressingly small. Totally non-canon.

  73. Queenofthorns
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    So am I crazy or did the hound just kill both forge AND biter? What are they gonna do with Brienne???

  74. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    So when the Jon Arryn reveal was “underwhelming” people complained the unsullied would miss the significance of the scene; now that they’ve made it so NO ONE would have to connect the dots in order to feel the significance of the scene…guess what…PEOPLE COMPLAIN. Yes, it’s an awesome line, but it’s not the most important thing ever. This pathetic heart-warming relationship the Hound and Arya have developed is what should be the target of all the complaints

  75. Unbowed Unbent UnHodor
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    i haven’t seen the episode yet, was it better than last weeks?

  76. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Queenofthorns,

    You are crazy. Arya killed Rorge.

  77. johnnytata
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:

    That snow Winterfell scene was everything I wanted it to be.Really A+ work by Sophie Turner, Alik Sakarov (sp?) and D&D.That was far more important to me than the only Cat line.It was one of my favorite moments in the books and the show did it justice.

    what about robin? that little kid is a whole new kind of annoying, even when he’s trying to be nice i just wanna squish his head…hope hat means he’s a good actor and not actually an annoying little kid

  78. Queenofthorns
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Hahaha yes I would pay to see that. Too bad I actually steal my parents hbogo…

  79. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Eyes,

    Yes, like Arya cleaning his wounds in the books. Total character assassination!

  80. Venger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Oh yeah. It will be awesome. He has owned that rule since they introduced him. Can’t wait.

  81. Antipurist
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    I hereby give a giant Sansa-slap to anyone complaining about “your sister” instead of “only Cat”.

  82. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Unbowed Unbent UnHodor,

    IMO, yes. It was the best episode of the season, but I love dialogue heavy episodes.

  83. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Daemon,

    This http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Excerpt_The_Rhoynar makes me think magic is involved with greyscale and it won’t continue following the predictable biological rules the maesters teach about. IRL I trust science over superstition, but this is fantasy and folk knowledge trumps the maesters. Remember when Luwin told Bran magic was gone and his dreams don’t mean anything?

  84. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Antipurist,

    I better see that gif all over the internet tomorrow.

  85. gewa76
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    You should write your own adaptation that gives justice to Sansa’s agency. I’d love to see something that isn’t so reductive.

  86. Antipurist
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Only Cat:
    Your sister vs Only Cat… CMON whats up with d&d making changes to these awesome one liners for no reason?? Hotpie scene was great tying loose ends

    Of course, showing HotPie will probably reopen the purists wounds about Hot Pie not shouting “Hot Pie!” during his charge.

  87. johnnytata
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    what did i learn this week in game of thrones?

    tyrion should have called for sansa to be his champion. that right bitchsmack would shut the mountain down.

  88. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    OMG! Ms Carice van Houten is perfection made flesh in feminine form, period. Bonus, she’s a great actress at that.
    …note, haven’t seen Ms Emmanuel yet, been hiding under too much fabric…

    Loved Hot Pie and the revelation concerning Arya, wonder how this deviation from the books will affect them.

    The two Hound/Arys scenes rocked (as usual), I want Sandor to accompany Arya across the sea, then he can travel to Volantis to join Tyrion and Jorah, books be damned, make it so D&D, you aren’t obliged to follow all the arcs in your adaption.

    The Tyrion scenes with Jaime, Bronn and Oberyn were just to much to take, I am breathless to comment on them.

    Snowcastle!!!!

    The Sansa/Robin/LF/Lysa scene was has great as I’d hoped it would be, fly you mad bitch, fly.

    KUDOS to D&D, cast and crew, and of course HBO, another superlative example of HBO’s dominance and why GoT is one of the five greatest shows in television history, This episode ranks also in my top five for the series.

  89. reyne22
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Clob,

    Eloquence is more important to a show and/or novel, and to say that the change makes any sense or is better is ridiculous. Brevity is the best friend of writers and to throw is away like that is just foolish, but still a great episode.

  90. EverydayImHodoring
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Can you fly, Bobby?

  91. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Did anyone else get on the verge of tears while watching Oberyn tell Tyrion the bookstory of when he saw him as a baby?

    Seriously, that was a fucking POWERFUL scene… Both actors were amazing in it, both on the verge of tears.

    The delivery of Oberyn’s speech and the reception by Tyrion was incredible to watch, Tyrion’s went from sadness to a kind of joy when Oberyn told him he’d be his champion.

    IDK man, my heart was just pounding…That scene was incredible for me to watch…

    Right there with you. Between that and the Eyrie scenes I was riding a feels rollercoaster. Just like when I read ASOS for the first time.

    How great is this show that we get two such powerful scenes in a row and it isn’t even the season finale?

  92. ReadJunk
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    I was thinking the same thing

  93. KG
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Brienne had to find out about Arya somehow. There were no Brave Companions in the show, so without them, without Nimble Dick, and without Timeon, her method of discovery had to be replaced.

    I still think GRRM is pulling our leg, and what Brienne yells is “Arya.” That would be a better way to get Mother Merciless’ attention, IMO.

  94. Nymeria
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t the brotherhood capture the hound after they dropped hotpie off at the inn? That must be a little slip. Also, I don’t remember Shireen as so important to Mel?? I am wondering what they are planning to change now!

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    Caplan
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 9:59 PM | PERMALINK
    Hodor!!
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    JoffreyTrueKing
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:00 PM | PERMALINK
    Good.
    Okey, I am a little bit bothered by the “Only Cat”. Scratch that. It was one of the best one liners of the series. These are the really small changes that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    A still enjoyed it tho.
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    Amanda M
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:00 PM | PERMALINK
    No “Only Cat” :( (though I guess it was close enough haha)
    Otherwise, perfect!!! I was surprised they kept the kiss (and glad, because it’s so important!)
    I can’t wait two weeks for the next one. Ahhh!
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    AmmieChan
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:01 PM | PERMALINK
    Wow. Great stuff tonight. Lysa out the moon door was an excellent end for the 2 week wait we’ll now have to bear. Cant wait for next episode, gonna probably be best episode yet!
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    Shan
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:01 PM | PERMALINK
    Ahhhhhhhhhh yes im starting to have anxiety because its almost over and because we’re so close to the huge stuff in 10!!
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    Only Cat
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:02 PM | PERMALINK
    Your sister vs Only Cat… CMON whats up with d&d making changes to these awesome one liners for no reason?? Hotpie scene was great tying loose ends
      QUOTE  REPLY
    reyne22
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:03 PM | PERMALINK
    Only, your sister????? Loses weight but still a couple of great scenes esp with tyrion/bronn/oberyn
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    Andrew
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:03 PM | PERMALINK
    Hot Pie! Glad to see him again. Loved all the stuff this episode. Sansa is a damn good snowcastle sculptor.
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    Winter Soldier
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:04 PM | PERMALINK
    So glad to see Hot Pie again, great scene. Though I can’t remember if that happened in the books.
    Poor Biter and Rorge, lol. I’m wondering if that bite is what is going to “kill” the Hound?
    This was a great episode all in all, not sure about the Mel-Selyse scene exactly, all I heard was that Shireen was coming with them and could be important. Other than that…I was a bit distracted. Lol.
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    ash
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:04 PM | PERMALINK
    Have some empathy for the unsullied – many may not remember or have caught that her sister’s name is cat. It made sense for him to say that, and in the end, the effect was the same. The look on Lysa’s face from the moment he said he only loved one woman, till the last second was priceless
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    GeekFurious
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:05 PM | PERMALINK
    Everything with Tyrion was great. Now just two weeks to see the fight book fans have been waiting over a decade to see.
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    Ashara D
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:06 PM | PERMALINK
    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.
    2. What will the ripple effect be of Brienne and Pod knowing that Arya is still alive, if any?
    Discuss.
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    Shan
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:06 PM | PERMALINK
    Winter Soldier,
    My guess is that they’re going to burn Shireen as she has kings blood.
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    ash
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:07 PM | PERMALINK
    Winter Soldier,
    No I don’t think Hot Pie appeared again in the books, but it was a good way of giving Brienne info, and I loved the new improved wolf bread. Only problem I had was how much older HP looked. Last week, Cerseis says its been over a year since she saw her daughter. So its probably been only a year or so since Ned’s death, so Hot Pie should still look like he was. or have I gotten time totally mixed up? Anyway, great episode
      QUOTE  REPLY
    dreamlife
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:07 PM | PERMALINK
    So many awesome book to screen moments:
    -Oberyn telling Tyrion of their first meeting (including Cersei pinching Tyrion’s privates) The look on Tyrion’s face was heart-breaking. I remember how bothered I was by that scene when I read it. I’m glad they kept it in the series
    -Uh oh. Infection is setting in for The Hound.
    -Nice Brienne, Podrick, Hot Pie meeting in this episode. Also, I got a little teary-eyed when Hot Pie made the direwolf bread. I was expecting a big scene to occur on the road. I guess that’s coming.
    -Interesting conversation with Melisandre and Selyse about the importance of Shireen!! I hope her “importance” does not mean she’s going to sacrificed/burned alive, but something big.
    -Awesome scenes with Sansa and Littlefinger. Plus, Lysa out the moondoor was so gratifying!!
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    Tabes
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:07 PM | PERMALINK
    Solid episode as always but I’m growing anxious about the lack of Nymeria. Are they going to scrap that? God I hope not. It just seems like at this point there would have been at least a mention of her and her pack of wolves. And I don’t understand the change from “Only Cat” to “your sister” I know I know, it’s a small change but why? Other than that, can’t wait for the last three eps! Hate that we have to wait two weeks!
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    The Bastard
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:07 PM | PERMALINK
    Ashara D:
    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.
    2. What will the ripple effect be of Brienne and Pod knowing that Arya is still alive, if any?
    Discuss.
    Yeah they are certainly foreshadowing a lot of stuff that isn’t in the current 5 books.
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    Daemon
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:08 PM | PERMALINK
    Next episode (almost said week :() looks SO good. Lollys! Wish there was a little more internal conflict with the Daenerys/Daario thing, but I suppose that can still happen. Very happy they put in the story of Oberyn’s visit to Casterly Rock. Nice to get one last shining moment for the Hound.
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    The Bastard
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:09 PM | PERMALINK
    Another great episode. This season has been amazing.
    We are currently in the second half of the entire series. Things are only going to get more intense.
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    Yureina
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:09 PM | PERMALINK
    That’s one of the few adaptation changes this show had made that I am genuinely annoyed by. Changing an awesome one-liner from one of the most memorable scenes in the books followed by some shoddy CGI.
    That makes me sad. :(
      QUOTE  REPLY
    David The Grey
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:09 PM | PERMALINK
    Shan: Lysa out the moon door was an excellent end for the 2 week wait we’ll now have to bear. Cant wait for next episode, gonna probably
    I hate this time of year! When it’s almost over and you know you’ve got such a long wait for the next season. But – what amazing 3 episodes left, I imagine every second is going to have us at the edge of our seats in excitement and joy!!!
    Wow such big events already starting. I hooted & hollered when Sansa struck Robin (you go girl, let the anger out!) and then “oh fuck!” when LF kissed Sansa and another “oh fuck” when it showed Lysa watching from above!
    I nearly cried when The Hound consented to Arya patching up his neck, how he exposed it to her and she began washing it. So tender, fricking loved it.
    And the best scene of all – Tyrion and Oberyn. Oberyn’s relating of his first meeting of Tyrion, and of course the expressions on Tyrion’s face. Flawless scene, hopefully a thousand awards will be lavished upon them.
    So much happiness in my heart, it will be enough to last me to episode 8!
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    Ryan E
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:10 PM | PERMALINK
    Only Cat:
    Your sister vs Only Cat… CMON whats up with d&d making changes to these awesome one liners for no reason?? Hotpie scene was great tying loose ends
    Obviously it was because they figured many viewers wouldn’t remember her nickname.
      QUOTE  REPLY
    Sansa Bird
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:10 PM | PERMALINK
    Sophie and Aiden did so well this episode, not to mention Katie Dickie who was brilliant, albeit her part short lived!
    I was so worried they wouldn’t keep the kiss in, but while I enjoyed the Sansa scenes, I felt like the kiss was a bit too consensual. Sansa doesn’t want to kiss him in the books, she shoves him away after he forcibly grabs her. I enjoyed the scene because I find Petyr/Sansa very interesting, but I’m just unsure of how I feel about making Sansa’s affections returned.
    Also, the exposition of this episode really lack imo. Like fleeting from one scene to the next without any movement shots? Idk sometimes it felt jumbled. I wished they left “Only Cat” in, it was such a lame change, that one-liner had my mouth open like an idiot when I read it!
    Can’t wait for more Sansa stuff next ep, too bad it’s so long away…
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    brightroar
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:10 PM | PERMALINK
    The fight is one of my favorite moments of all A song of Ice and Fire. As a devoted book reader i can only hope D&D do it justice. Also hope they put in the red viper’s poisoned spearhead. “You’re going to fight that?”
    “I’m going to kill that”
      QUOTE  REPLY
    Jakylla
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:10 PM | PERMALINK
    The episode was very slow but the moon door was good. I just dissapointed that the writers did not keep the original reply: “Only Cat”.
      QUOTE  REPLY
    Shan
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:11 PM | PERMALINK
    Yureina:
    That’s one of the few adaptation changes this show had made that I am genuinely annoyed by. Changing an awesome one-liner from one of the most memorable scenes in the books followed by some shoddy CGI.
    That makes me sad. :(
    Yeah the CGI was really rough…. ouch
      QUOTE  REPLY
    The Bastard
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:11 PM | PERMALINK
    Shireen is going to marry Jon Snow. You heard it hear first. That is my prediction and I’m sticking too it.
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    GeoffreynotJoffrey
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:13 PM | PERMALINK
    Littlefinger blaming Lysa’s death on the minstrel or whatever he was, was an easier escape, now how does he play her death without guilt or suspicion?
    The hound is easier to like on screen than in the books. News seem to travel fast in the seven kingdoms lol.
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    Clob
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:13 PM | PERMALINK
    reyne22:
    Only, your sister?????Loses weight but still a couple of great scenes esp with tyrion/bronn/oberyn
    I don’t see any lost “weight” in the way he said it at all. “In all my life I’ve only loved one woman. Only one…. Your sister.” *shove* What’s so special in “Only Cat” to some people? The shovin’ her out the moon door was the big thing.
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    Winter Soldier
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:13 PM | PERMALINK
    I still think Littlefinger throwing Lysa out the moon door and then show Lady Stoneheart would have been great…but I guess timeline wise it doesn’t make sense. Considering it looks like the Lords Declarant are appearing in the next episode.
    I guess with no fall guy like Marillion they’ll just say she fell.
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    Shan
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:14 PM | PERMALINK
    When the Stark theme song played as they showed the snow Winterfell …. I was teary eyed
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    pntrlqst
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:14 PM | PERMALINK
    I’d wager the “Only Cat” line will be in the finale, in some other context, and preceding a certain scene.
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    Venger
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:15 PM | PERMALINK
    Hell Yes. Oberyn rocks!
    And, man, do I love the hound now. I know the books are what they are… but I’m really deep into the show and trying to deny knowing how things turn out for different characters.
    Hats off to the production. Well done. IMO.
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    JamesL
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:15 PM | PERMALINK
    I haven’t watched the episode yet but apparently they changed “only Cat” to “your sister”. Before people bitch you have to think about why they do this stuff. Much of the audience doesn’t even know Catelyn’s name especially as “Cat”, to many she is just Lady Stark. Having “only Cat” instead of “your sister”wouldn’t make the scene any better, it is just something book readers were expecting and now it gives them something else to bitch about.
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    Roger König
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:16 PM | PERMALINK
    Ashara D:
    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.
    2. What will the ripple effect be of Brienne and Pod knowing that Arya is still alive, if any?
    Discuss.
    For Arya, well they know nothing, since HotPie is not uptodate. So Arya lived like 6 months (?) ago, somewhere in the riverlands, where the war is taking place. Could be dead by now. ;)
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    The Bastard
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:16 PM | PERMALINK
    Winter Soldier:
    I still think Littlefinger throwing Lysa out the moon door and then show Lady Stoneheart would have been great…but I guess timeline wise it doesn’t make sense. Considering it looks like the Lords Declarant are appearing in the next episode.
    I guess with no fall guy like Marillion they’ll just say she fell.
    I think a lot of stuff has to do with timing. Each character needs a story arc for the season. This slightly messes up the timelines from the book. It happens with Jaime returning to Kings Landing at a different time compared to the book.
    Overall D&D have done a wonderful job of keeping to the spirit of the books and making sure they hit all of the key events.
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    Mario Mjoed
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:18 PM | PERMALINK
    im very curious whose ear brienne will bite off.
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    WeirwoodTreeHugger
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:18 PM | PERMALINK
    I knew they’re be a lot of butthurt over only Cat. I was not under the impression that it was the most important line of the entire series. It was shorthand book users use for the scene. As someone pointed out above, it was never really established that Cat was Catelyn’s nickname in the show. Saying “your sister” was just as good. It really drove home that Lysa say Catelyn as a rival and resented her, something that the show didn’t have that much time to go into.
    Get over it people. It was a great pair of scenes. Stop whining and enjoy it.
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    JamesL
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:23 PM | PERMALINK
    Yureina,
    “Only Cat” isn’t an awesome one liner though, if GRRM wrote “your sister” in books and the show changed it to “only Cat” people would be bitching at them for changing it. Either way it is irrelevant, neither line makes the scene better or worse.
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    gewa76
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:23 PM | PERMALINK
    I guess ‘only your sister’ has now replaced ‘the Lannisters send their regards’ at the top of the nerdrage meter.
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    ebevan91
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:24 PM | PERMALINK
    So did we get naked Melisandre in this episode? I still need to watch episode 6 so I won’t be watching episode 7 tonight most likely.
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    GeoffreynotJoffrey
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:24 PM | PERMALINK
    I’m calling it now, I think Jon Snow and Danys ends up a couple, and rule the seven kingdoms, good thing for screen watchers and book readers a lot has to happen in between.
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    Only Cat
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:24 PM | PERMALINK
    Ryan E,
    Thats almost as bad a reason for changing Asha to Yara. This isn’t the only line they have changed for no reason.
    How hard is it for Lysa to say “Cat never loved you like I did”
      QUOTE  REPLY
    Tyrion Pimpslap
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:25 PM | PERMALINK
    JamesL,
    Yes, it is this year’s “The Lannisters Send Their Regards.” I am a Jaime fanboy and I consider “Jaime Lannister Sends His Regards” to be the most iconic line in the series, and I got over the change fairly quickly.
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    Queenofthorns
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:25 PM | PERMALINK
    I enjoyed the Dany stuff for once! She IMO came across as pretty smart. Maybe now people will stop whining about how she never listens to advice. Nah, nvm now they will just start bitching about how she supposedly is too trusting or easily swayed. Can’t win.
    Bonus Daario butt, and kudos to Dany for jumping right into that casual sex, heck yes.
      QUOTE  REPLY
    Only Cat
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:25 PM | PERMALINK
    ebevan91,
    Yes for like 2 minutes straight lol
      QUOTE  REPLY
    WeirwoodTreeHugger
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:25 PM | PERMALINK
    My Shireen prediction is that she’ll bring a greyscale epidemic to the north while Jon Con brings it to the south. In the excerpt from A World of Ice and Fire that westeros.org released a few days ago it was revealed that the greyscale epidemic in the Sorrows was the result of a curse. It’s a magic disease. Val is afraid of Shireen for a reason. I don’t know what that has to do with Melisandre’s vision in the show, that’s just my Shireen theory. Remember though, the books establish that Mel’s visions are vague and she doesn’t always interpret them. Maybe Shireen will be burned to stave off the epidemic or something? IDK, sort of off topic for this anyway.
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    Hodor’s Bastard
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:26 PM | PERMALINK
    Ashara D:
    Nice episode! Two interesting moments jumped out at me:
    1. What is Shireen’s future significance? That whole scene was…strange.
    I wondered about that as well. D&D might know something here. It’s obvious that Mel thinks that Shireen might be a valuable asset to have in the north. Perhaps as a sacrifice…but maybe greyscale isn’t the disease that we think it is.
    Go Team Shireen!
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    JoffreyTrueKing
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:26 PM | PERMALINK
    I’d say “The Lannisters send their regards” wasn’t as nerd-rage inducing mostly because it spared Jaime Lannister from bad treatment and he is a fan favorite.
    It was simply a stupid change.
    I do have a real question tho, how the hell did Hotpie knew that Arya was with the Hound?
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    Tabes
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:26 PM | PERMALINK
    You’re right, changing the line was not that big a deal, I overreacted, thank the gods for my fellow GOT fans talking sense into me.
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    Only Cat
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:26 PM | PERMALINK
    JamesL,
    Who are you to tell people what are awesome one liners? Gtfo lmao
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    ebevan91
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:27 PM | PERMALINK
    Only Cat:
    ebevan91,
    Yes for like 2 minutes straight lol
    Lube, check. Tissues, check. Nobody standing over my shoulder, check.
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    Tyrion Pimpslap
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:27 PM | PERMALINK
    ebevan91,
    Yes, and it was glorious. That woman is stunningly gorgeous.
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    Ra
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:28 PM | PERMALINK
    I was waiting for the ‘Only Cat’ line since it was quite memorable from the book. However I do like how the show is riveting and how different from the book the show is. I liked both scenes with Tyrion (of course) and we finally got Dario and Dany hooked up. The new actor for the Mountain certainly looks the part despite the fact that he clearly cant act. Good episode, I wonder how Petyr is going to get out of Lysa’s murder without the bard.
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    Arthur
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:29 PM | PERMALINK
    Did anyone else get on the verge of tears while watching Oberyn tell Tyrion the bookstory of when he saw him as a baby?
    Seriously, that was a fucking POWERFUL scene… Both actors were amazing in it, both on the verge of tears.
    The delivery of Oberyn’s speech and the reception by Tyrion was incredible to watch, Tyrion’s went from sadness to a kind of joy when Oberyn told him he’d be his champion.
    IDK man, my heart was just pounding… That scene was incredible for me to watch…
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    johnnytata
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:30 PM | PERMALINK
    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I knew they’re be a lot of butthurt over only Cat.I was not under the impression that it was the most important line of the entire series.It was shorthand book users use for the scene.As someone pointed out above, it was never really established that Cat was Catelyn’s nickname in the show.Saying “your sister” was just as good.It really drove home that Lysa say Catelyn as a rival and resented her, something that the show didn’t have that much time to go into.
    Get over it people.It was a great pair of scenes.Stop whining and enjoy it.
    spot on. this is why i stopped reading so many of these message boards.
    all week all i read was hype, hype overhype for “only cat,” honestly didn’t even remember that line from the books, which i loved and read not that long ago.
    then, when he didn’t say that exact line, it pulled me right out of the episode because it wasn’t what i was expecting.
    never mind it was an effing awesome moment nonetheless, but i am annoyed that i let myself get unwillingly overyhyped for what is, in the grand scheme of things just not a big deal.
    and for the people who are pissed about it, it’s only the most predictable response ever..
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    Greenjones
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:31 PM | PERMALINK
    Mario Mjoed,
    I suspect they’ll be merging the ASOS epilogue with Brienne’s last AFFC chapter. Maybe she runs afoul of some Freys and that bitey bitey happens and then they all get captured by the BWB.
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    Daemon
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:31 PM | PERMALINK
    WeirwoodTreeHugger,
    Do we need spoiler tags in this thread? I figured not since it is book readers. Anyway, I was under the impression that those who survived greyscale were essentially cured of it and that the greyness was simply a scar in those cases. If it was so contagious, I hardly think Stannis and Davos would be paying her visits. Val could just be superstitious and see the girl as cursed.
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    Eyrie?
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:32 PM | PERMALINK
    Where was the Eyrie in the opening credits of this episode and last? Seems like a major oversight…
    They had it in Season 1…
      QUOTE  REPLY
    Tyrion Pimpslap
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:32 PM | PERMALINK
    Queenofthorns,
    I wanted more Dany commands.
    “Hop on one leg!”
    “Bark like a dog!”
    “Say my name!”…”Khaleesiiiiii!”…”No, it’s Daenerys!”
      QUOTE  REPLY
    Daemon
    POSTED MAY 18, 2014 AT 10:34 PM | PERMALINK
    JoffreyTrueKing,
    The Hound was captured by the Brotherhood before Hot Pie and Arya parted ways. I think only the episode before, but before nonetheless.
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  95. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Sansa pimpslap is the new Tyrion pimpslap :)

  96. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Nymeria,

    Seven hells! You just quoted everyone!

  97. Only Cat
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Antipurist,

    Try again? Forget the fact that you can’t format a post properly — your “joke” is horrid, reminds me of ANGRYGOTFAN lmao keep it up.

  98. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Husband and wife for true now.

  99. SerAwfulKnight
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Chalk it up to a Westerosi growth spurt.
    ash,

  100. King Stannis
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Hahahahaha laughing so hard at the people complaining about “Only Cat” line. Oh geez…. They didn’t say the line that book readers run around spoiling for years. Instead replaced with “sister” which is the same shit if you stop to think about it. Purist humor me.

  101. Aegon VI Targaryen
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard:
    Shireen is going to marry Jon Snow.You heard it hear first.That is my prediction and I’m sticking too it.

    Yes! I read that theory too somewhere. Stannis will die and as a fulfillment of his will to sit Shireen on the Iron Throne, his bannermen will marry her to the legitimized Jon Stark to garner the support of the North.

  102. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Valyrian Eyes,

    Yes, like Arya cleaning his wounds in the books. Total character assassination!

    I don’t mean the part about the cleaning, but the fact that she is not in the same emotional state she is in the books ate this point. She says there is a hole in her chest where her heart used to be. At this point in the books she’s just utterly apathetic, and I don’t see that in the show, nor do I see her hatred for the Hound. Yes, she cleans his wounds in the books, but she is not tender about it. That’s my opinion.

  103. Randa
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    So if Lollys is a thing now, will Bronn stay in KL next season or journey with Jamie to the Riverlands?

  104. Randa
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    And who IS Brienne biting?!

  105. Phil
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    The scene with Arya stabbing Rorge was AMAZING!

    I said “Only Cat” to myself and then he just went ahead and said “your sister” whatever.

    Robin (Robert) looks like he somehow got taller and older since the last episode, maybe it was just how the filmed it, but I didn’t recognize him til he spoke.

  106. Turncloak
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Randa:
    And who IS Brienne biting?!

    Some redshirt from the Brotherhood in episode 10 right before the LS reveal?

  107. Arthur
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Yeah!

    I can’t believe more people aren’t ranting positive remarks about that scene…

    That scene was a huge payoff and was beautifully delivered in a dark room with such great performances by Peter and Pedro.

    Their teary eyes and tone of voice and body language accompanied by that GoT theme music along with that awesome story just broke me into an emotional frenzy.

    That’s got to be, IMO, one if the most powerful GoT scenes… And it’s in a dark ceil, no CGI, no glorious landscape or fancy camera tricks. Just two great actors portraying two amazing characters in a series that grabs you by the throat and won’t let go.

  108. Alpengeist
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    GeoffreynotJoffrey,

    I agree, a song of ice and fire. Jon and Dany. Makes sense to me.

  109. CJ
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Clob: I don’t see any lost “weight” in the way he said it at all.“In all my life I’ve only loved one woman.Only one….Your sister.” *shove*What’s so special in “Only Cat” to some people?The shovin’ her out the moon door was the big thing.

    I don’t understand the infatuation with it either. It’s not any more compelling than what was said in the show. Some people just want a word-for-word interpretation from the books I suppose.

  110. GeekFurious
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    King Stannis:
    Hahahahaha laughing so hard at the people complaining about “Only Cat” line. Oh geez….They didn’t say the line that book readers run around spoiling for years. Instead replaced with “sister” which is the same shit if you stop to think about it. Purist humor me.

    I AM SO OUTRAGED OVER MY EXPECTATIONS THAT WERE NOT MET!!!!!

    Now, for a real problem with the episode… the convenience information is being passed around to people in need of it, and the multiple convenient encounters. Sure, some of that does happen in the books to some extent but season 4 is like a floodgate of convenient run-ins and fortunate information spewage.

    Reminds me of any show on TV. Something this show seemed to be mostly above for 3-seasons.

  111. mal
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Hot Pie! I was almost sure another character would run into him eventually. I like being right!

  112. Deathdreams
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Did Hotpie call it “Winterhell”? Or do I need to check the battery in my hearing aid?

  113. JamesL
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    I expect there to be a lot more nerd rage after the next episode if the show does not have Oberyn yell out “you raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children” throughout the fight which I don’t think they will. That is okay in the books but could come off cheesy on film so I won’t be surprised if we don’t hear it on the show. I think we’ll hear him say it once but I don’t expect to hear him saying it throughout the fight.

  114. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Yeah!

    I can’t believe more people aren’t ranting positive remarks about that scene…

    That scene was a huge payoff and was beautifully delivered in a dark room with such great performances by Peter and Pedro.

    Their teary eyes and tone of voice and body language accompanied by that GoT theme music along with that awesome story just broke me into an emotional frenzy.

    That’s got to be, IMO, one if the most powerful GoT scenes…And it’s in a dark ceil, no CGI, no glorious landscape or fancy camera tricks. Just two great actors portraying two amazing characters in a series that grabs you by the throat and won’t let go.

    In retrospect it’s kind of hilarious that so many people were concerned about Pedro Pascal’s casting just because he’s pretty unknown. He’s been absolutely brilliant. Even when he’s not speaking, he’s nailing the body language. I hope this role turns him into a star. He could easily carry a movie as a lead.

  115. Randa
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    That’s the most logical answer, but I was genuinely hoping not everything from Brienne’s story would get cut.

  116. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Deathdreams:
    Did Hotpie call it “Winterhell”? Or do I need to check the battery in my hearing aid?

    I heard it too.

  117. reyne22
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m no purist, I enjoyed the show before I enjoyed the books, and scenes not in the books like the oberyn/varys scene can be great. It’s the oversimplification of things I despise, and treating your audience like fools who can’t remember Catelyn Stark’s name is one of the reasons why the show is weaker than the books, well the first three books at least.

  118. Ashara D
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Deathdreams,

    Yep. You’re batteries are a-ok!

  119. Randa
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    He absolutely did and it was everything.

  120. selfie
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    I got vertigo and queasy just looking at that damn moon door on TV. Good riddance to her. Great episode! Previous one was boring. I like Tyron’s new champion who has always had vengeance in mind. This should lead to some great action scenes when he battles with the giant sell sword

  121. Harrold Hardyng
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Best episode of the season, although with this being undoubtedly the weakest season so far that itself isn’t saying much. I enjoyed most of the scenes. The writers have made a lot of questionable decisions this season but I can only think of one from tonight’s episode. Brienne saying Sansa’s name aloud to a stranger was stupid of her to do. Even tv show Brienne would know better.

    Oberyn is a bad ass. It was refreshing to see some book scenes for a change. Not upset about the “only Cat” change. The change makes no difference to me but I bet D&D were catering to the fans who wouldn’t know Cat means Catelyn Stark and wouldn’t know their ass from their elbow. I would like the show to reward astute viewers over accommodating viewers who don’t pay attention but small changes or changes that at least make sense and keep the story moving forward are fine with me.

    Pumped for Oberyn vs The Mountain. Sorta lost my excitement for the battle at the wall since the build up has been lacking. We’ve had about 3 minutes of the Wildlings this season.. It looks like we will not see Mance until the battle. Would’ve been better to show Mance and his army preparing than all the wasted Craster’s Keep garbage.

    Good episode overall, Bronn/Tyrion, Oberyn/Tyrion and the Eyrie scenes were great.

  122. Our Blades are Sharp
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Great ep!

    Hot pie!!!! For winterhell!!!! Lol

    And Mel looking great as always. Mmm I’d drink her bath water

    Gonna be a loooooong 2 weeks :( but then more Lord Ramsay!!!!!!! And can a red viper topple a mountain?

  123. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Harrold Hardyng,

    It’s much better than season 2 so far, and the first 2 episodes of the final 5 are much stronger than last season’s 6th and 7th episodes. If the final 3 episodes deliver, it should top season 3.

  124. Tom
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Lollys! I love how they’re beginning to break the barrier between the throne and some of the minor characters book readers have been waiting for. Sand Snakes
    I love all the mentions of Myrcella, Lancel, Kevan. It’s like “we haven’t forgot”. Season 5 is going to be a 180, in a good way.
    I am a little concerned about Sansa’s playout. I don’t understand why she is not disguised. I wish they spent some time in the Eyrie, dyed her damned hair, and worked Marillion, or that prison guy into it.
    I look forward to Pod and Brienne’s journey continuing closely as it does in the books, which I found interesting and worthwhile.
    If all is according to plans, we will see the marriage of Tommen “in a fornight” from two episodes ago which is next episode. That means Cercei’s theoretical marriage to Lorace will happen in episode 10.
    Episode 10 will be theoretically amazong.

  125. outdoorcats
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    I’ve only scrolled through some of the first few dozen replies, and most of it is about ‘Only Cat’ to ‘Your Sister’ — I’m surprised lots of people aren’t discussing the strong implications of the Melisandre/Selyse scene that Selyse is lesbian (and obsessed with Melisandre). Interestingly enough, that’s a theory I floated in my head while reading the books, to explain why Stannis and Selyse’s marriage was such a disaster. So I’m pretty sure that’s show-canon, do we think it was book canon and they got that hint from GRRM, or it’s an invention for the show?

    All in all this episode featured the best writing all season I thought, consistently great from scene to scene. The incredible exchange with the dying farmer and Arya/The Hound (some of the finest dialogue of the series, and seriously, that guy was incredible), the surprisingly vulnerable dialogue between Arya and the Hound later (“The pain was bad. The smell was worse. But the worse thing was, that it was my brother who did it.”) no less than three great Tyrion one-on-ones this episode…the decision to move The Red Viper’s tale (YESSSS IT MADE IT IN) in its entirety to Tyrion’s cell, instead of when Oberyn first arrives at the city in the books was a masterstroke and helped make that scene an incredibly powerful piece of work.

    Let’s not forget Alik Sakharov, so good with actors, no exception here. Jaime and Tyrion’s sad shared laugh, Tyrion not being able to let go of Bronn’s hand…

    Honestly, this is my favorite episode of the season.

  126. outdoorcats
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Yeah Pedro Pascal is fucking amazing.

  127. bob
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Could they not have used some makeup to make the mountain look a bit older? He’s supposed to be older than The Hound but he looks more like a nephew.

  128. johnnytata
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    1). anyone see the symbolism in changing the “iconic” line associated with the big shove? like book purists were just shoved through an open moon door? anyone?

    2). anyone see the irony in the show referencing itself (winterhell is even corrected by arya twice last season) qnd many people forgetting it, yet there are people who expect everyone to know the nickname barely ever used on tv referring to catelyn.

  129. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    It was literally one whole fifth of the episode. What were you expecting for what amounts to two scenes? They didn’t cut anything and, IMHO, it was paced perfectly.

  130. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Tom,

    Huh? The duel is in the next episode, the battle at the Wall in episode 9, and the fallout from the duel in episode 10. No more weddings this season.

  131. hinesy24
    Posted May 18, 2014 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    The Rorge / Biter thing took me completely off-guard. Not only because it was lifted from Brienne’s storyline (and the only pre-LS thing I thought they’d keep for sure), but because I was sure the scene was over. Also Rorge going out without a fight was excellent. They’ve been selling him as a monster for years and a tween just took him out with a toothpick sword. lol

    The theory of Shireen being a part of Stannis’ offer to Jon (legitimacy, Lord Of Winterfell, Warden Of The North, married to Stannis’ heir with the assumption that Stannis would be King) would work nicely for the show if they choose to exclude Val as a character and she hasn’t been cast as far as I know.

    I literally laughed out loud when Hot Pie showed up. When explaining the series to a friend who was reading it for the first time, HP was the one character who I said we’d probably never see again, but he’s the perfect story shortcut for Brienne’s storyline, though I also shouted “What are you doing?!?” when she announced she was looking for Sansa Stark. lol

    Sweet-Robin was an improvement over the angry, malicious book version. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Sansa-Petyr kiss causes an uproar with the Sansa-first crowd because it actually seemed more consensual than it did in the books (there’s a first). As for “Only Cat”, I was a little “kicking dirt in front of me” sullen about the change, but I understand why it was done and it really isn’t important. Littlefinger still broke her heart before he murdered her, so it lines up. lol What matters now is how he’ll get away with it. Sansa’s clearly going to lie for him (despite the preview fake-out (what is this, Mad Men?)), but without a fall guy how do they explain this and still stay in power in Robin’s name?

  132. David The Grey
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Arthur: That scene was a huge payoff and was beautifully delivered in a dark room with such great performances by Peter and Pedro.
    Their teary eyes and tone of voice and body language accompanied by that GoT theme music along with that awesome story just broke me into an emotional frenzy

    Yes! Me too. Simply amazing acting and delivery!!! Flawless!

  133. David The Grey
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    David The Grey,

    hinesy24: Also Rorge going out without a fight was excellent. They’ve been selling him as a monster for years and a tween just took him out with a toothpick sword. lol

    That is all thanks to The Hound showing Arya “where the heart is”. :-)

  134. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    What a great episode!

    -Glad they put the Oberyn scene with Tyrion where he tells him of Cersei’s cruelty towards him, it was a good change on their part to move that scene from ep1 to ep 7, had much more impact. The look on Tyrion’s face, man…

    -Well it seems Jaime and Bronn won’t be going to Riverun together, unless Bron goes with him on his way to Stokeworth’s castle (Stokeworth?).

    -No nude Daenerys!??!! I was waiting any moment for Jorah to grab Dany and kiss her, is that scene going to happen? They’ve pushed past it quite a lot.

    -Hot Pie! What a great way to tie Brienne’s storyline with characters we’ve met and actyally know. Though I wonder whose ear she’s going to bite off (insert maniachal laughter).

    -Sansa’s stuff was great, glad she slapped the shit out of Robin. Was almost as gratifying as Joffrey being slapped. Only Cat = nitpicking

    -Melisandre.

    -Jon…meh, was alright.

    -No Reek, no Bran, no Stannis. Bummer.

  135. Hogwarts > Kingslanding
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Anyone else think the the outcome of the trail will be changed a bit?

  136. gewa76
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    johnnytata,

    Seems to me like they may change some of these iconic lines to underline that this is D&D’s adaptation, and not a verbatim copy of the books. You could say it’s trolling book readers, but you could also say it’s paying respect to George by separating the two stories.

  137. KG
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    He called it that at least once in his main story. Arya tolerated it.

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: I heard it too.

  138. Feremuntrus
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    Awesome episode with incredible acting.

    On a side note, some people like/hate Aiden’s voice as Littlefinger and he finally gets asked about this in an interview! Honestly, intentionally or otherwise it adds to the effect of his mysterious, chaotic nature. I think his performance this episode was great as well as people like Sophie, Pascal, and others who were superb.

    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Game-Thrones-Mockingbird-Postmortem-Littlefinger-Gillen-1081973.aspx

  139. Randa
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:12 am | Permalink
  140. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    reyne22,

    Why exactly is “only Cat” better than “your sister” other than the fact that is the way GRRM wrote it in the books? It is not like it is some beautifully poetic line. There is nothing great about it at all. As i said in a previous comment if GRRM wrote “your sister” and the show changed it to “only Cat” people would be bitching about that.

  141. Ram
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Very solid episode! All great except the Arya’s kill!

    Was pretty lame how the guy is just standing there with a sword and having a conversation with the Hound and updating them on the news of seven kingdoms!!!

    Like what?? He was just standing waiting for Hound to kick his ass! He has his sword even down! After last week’s Yara/Ramsey scene this was the second weakest directing this season!

    Still, GREAT episode….

  142. Hogwarts > Kingslanding
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    I feel like Oberyn’s death will be a bit different. Also I can see the Mountain dying in this episode as well instead of bein dragged out.

  143. bob
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    agreed, the most idiotic criticism ive heard yet from the “purists”

  144. Our Blades are Sharp
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    When is someone going to use the screen name

    “Hot Pie’s Gravy”

  145. The Ghost of Karl Tanner
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    “They didn’t say Only Cat” Wahhhhh

    Quit crying bout it Fookin c’nts!!!

  146. Zack
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    I HAVE A NEW FAVORITE EPISODE

    THIS ONE

    God but even Aidan Gillen, who I’d say has generally done one of my least favorite adapted characters, here, nailed it. Sophie nailed it. What a glorious scene, Sansa 4 ever

    And Pod looks exactly like Gendry. I kept thinking ‘Why Gendry ain’t thrilled to be reunited w/ Hot Pie??…ohhh, yeah”

    And….BRONNNNNN. Seriously GRRM is the worst for sending Bronn into obscurity after this, I will miss him so bad. I hope the show keeps him around

    And great re-intro of Gregor, and Oberyn’s speech to Tyrion. I forgot how good that was in the book, with his whole story about traveling to Casterly Rock. What a great speech. Pedro Pascal is fucking incredible.

    ARYA and the HOUND BFFS <3

    Fuck. What a goddamn masterpiece of an episode. Off to watch it again.

  147. One Realm One King
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Winter Soldier,

    I think they’re going to blame Robin/Robert on that one.

  148. Randa
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Hogwarts &gt; Kingslanding,

    I honestly forget how exactly it goes down, but I remember yelling “double tap!” at the book and then everything sucked after that. But agree, Gregor will probably die soon after, within episode. And no one will ever have to recast it again.

  149. hinesy24
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    I forgot to mention my take on The Mountain v3.0. He’s certainly big enough and when he’s in full armor next week, it won’t be as much of a problem, but his “babyface” doesn’t sell me as the kind of soul-less maniac who could chop the head off of his horse like v1.0 did or brutalize Elia Martell and her child the way The Mountain did. He looks like a dullard who does whatever’s he’s ordered, not the kind of psychopathic monster he’s supposed to be (I could picture v1.0 doing all those awful things, but I understand show complications so I don’t blame anyone for him not being present). Hopefully the next episode will change my mind.

  150. Jared
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    First off, I suppose we should address the elephant in the room. Many book readers will be upset – perhaps even livid – that “Only Cat” was replaced with “your sister”. I am not. I don’t care that the line was changed- I really and truly don’t. The line served the purpose that it needed to serve (and since Lady Stoneheart wasn’t going to follow up anyway, the thematic significance of the wording was rendered moot). I loved the entire scene (which, aside from that particular change and the absence of Marillion, was lifted pretty much word for word from the book). My only concern in that moment was that the CGI in that sequence wasn’t the finest that the show has ever done, but I’m perfectly willing to let that go.

    So once again, I don’t care that the iconic line was changed, and I won’t … unless livid purists go on a rampage and turn the comment section into a living hell over this issue. Then I will care. For entirely different reasons.

    With that out of the way, I thought that this was a great episode. With the exception of the final sequence at the Eyrie, it was mostly moving all of the pieces into position for the home stretch of the season, but pretty much every scene crackled with energy.

    Peter Dinklage … how many more superlatives can we lavish on that guy? Last week, he put on an acting clinic last week with his raging outburst against his father and everyone who had betrayed him and despised him without cause. This was a much quieter episode for Tyrion, but ultimately no less powerful – all three of his scenes were absolutely stellar. First there was his sad commiseration with Jaime, the only person in the world that he still loves and trusts, and the tacit acknowledgement that there is nothing more that the once-legendary knight can do to save his little brother. Then there was his heart-wrenching goodbye to Bronn, the cutthroat with whom he shares a bond of respect and friendship strong enough to survive war and betrayal … just not enough to die for. And finally, there was the scene with Oberyn, which gave one of the clearest examples yet of just how severely abused and misunderstand Tyrion has been for his entire life, and just how deeply that pain has wounded him. For me, that monologue almost overshadowed the most important thing to come out of that scene – Oberyn agreeing to be Tyrion’s champion. I can’t wait to see the duel between him and the Mountain – it should be one for the ages.

    Farewell to the bat*** crazy Lysa Arryn, the overbearing mother from hell (and hats off to Katie Dickie, who made a lasting impression in her time on the show). Lysa, sadly, will be missed by no one … other than her repulsive son, who will have to go cold turkey on the milk tap. Oh well, if the withdrawal symptoms are too much for him to handle then he can always his own advice and make the bad man fly …

    Last but not least … Hot Pie sighting! That moment was a genuine surprise … and a very welcome one. Glad to see that he’s doing OK, and that his ability to make wolf-shaped bread loaves has improved so significantly.

  151. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Harrold Hardyng,

    Best episode of the season, although with this being undoubtedly the weakest season so far that itself isn’t saying much.

    Most fans would disagree, season 2 was the weakest, season 1 had a mediocre first half bogged down by dull and clunky exposition scenes, and season 3 had a good first half but inconsistent second half. This has been the strongest and most consistent season yet. Unless they completely drop the ball with the finale 3 episodes this will be considered the best season yet by most fans.

  152. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    I don’t know how others felt, because I didn’t bother looking at the rest of the comments, but I thought that was a gem. Now, it had to do a lot of heavy lifting – moving a lot of parts in place toward the last three episodes – and sometimes episodes like that suffer, but this one really did a lot of work while putting together a lot of stirring scenes between great characters. Very little of it was expository in nature – the Pod/Brienne bit to some extent, the Night’s Watch stuff – but a lot was not. Lots went through great stories to illuminate character, so there were a lot of highlights.

    –I don’t recognize the actor who played the dying man whom Arya/Sandor meet up with, but he did a hell of a job and made a great impression in like 2 minutes of screen time. Well done on that part. And nice to see the end of the Biter and Rorge, though it wasn’t necessarily how I expected. Which is not really a biggie. Still.

    –HOT PIE FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    –Lots of time well spent in Tyrion’s cell; glad they got around to the first time Oberyn saw Tyrion, a great bit of storytelling that the show didn’t need to lose, and so it didn’t. Well played. And also the Jaime stuff too, though Tyrion’s a bit delusional if he didn’t think Shae wasn’t in love with him – that’s either a bit of retconning to try to sway the audience or it’s Tyrion not seeing the full picture of how he handled things. I’ll choose the latter.

    –The snow castle, and everything that follows, was great and well done. I’m sure upstream there are some comments of people saying “Why didn’t he say ONLY CAT NOBODY UNDERSTAAANDS” without the wit of AngryGoTfan but really c’mon.

    –Jeez, the fucker playing Gregor is big. And he delivered his one line well enough (bringing total number of Gregor lines in the series up to five, I believe). But having the Hound revisit it was fantastic. Rory McCann acted the hell out of that scene, he’s friggin’ fantastic.

    –Ok, so, we’ve got our Daenarys/Daario pairing up, good. Interesting. And poor Jorah. Jeebus.

    –The parting between Tyrion and Bronn was also handled so well. It’s a betrayal of a sorts, but Bronn’s not dumb, he’s a survivor, and Tyrion respects that, and doesn’t bear him much in the way of ill will. As it should be, and the way they turned their parting into something more heartfelt did the show’s character a real service. This may mean the fan theory (mine too) of Bronn going off with Jaime doesn’t come to pass, or it’s possible it does anyway… doesn’t matter much either way, Jerome Flynn brought more to this part than I’d have ever expected.

    Either way, I’d put this on the level of episodes 4 and 5, maybe even a shade above them. Not as high as 1/2/6, but it did a lot of great stuff. Well done.

  153. Rickard Greyjoy
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    I thought I was a loyal subject of the Drowned God but find myself falling under the spell of the red priestess. I can’t for the life of me figure out why.
    Haha Rorge and Biter lasted about 30 seconds. I guess we won’t be seeing their encounter with Brienne but I like the change that it is a bite from Biter that gives the Hound infection/delerium and leads to his ‘demise’.
    Favorite scene of the episode has to be Tyrion/Oberyn but seeing the snow Winterfell accompanied with the Stark theme was emotional.

  154. Daemon
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Have they mentioned Oberyn’s nickname at any point this season? Thus far, the only thing close that I remember has been when him and Tywin discussed his knowledge of poisons. Not really a huge deal but it seems a little odd given that they refer to him as “The Viper” IN THE TITLE of episode 8 lol. I’m guessing there will be a scene or two to that effect early in the episode

    hinesy24,

    He did the latter when he was a teenager and DOES do everything commanded to him by the Lannisters. I see your point but I don’t think the books ever say anything to the effect of him having a “mean face”, nor does he need to, he’s 8 foot tall and the deeds he’s done speak for themselves. To your point, though, I do wish they had introduced him earlier in the year, potentially with some made up killing scene, just to build up his badassness

  155. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Am I the only one who was jealous Aiden Gillen got to kiss Sophie Turner. That Sansa slap was really satisfying and I can’t even explain how awesome it was. Oberyn and Tyrion heart to heart moment almost had me tear bending. My favorite episode in the whole series so far DAMN!!

  156. Andy Gavin
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    All in all, this was a first rate episode, one of my favorites of this season. It just had a lot of good stuff, and only a few lesser scenes (like Mel and maybe Jon). The dialog was just sharp sharp sharp. Now we have to wait two weeks for “The Viper and the Mountain.” I wonder what that one is about! As always, my detailed thoughts on the episode can be found on my blog.

  157. iam76
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    To me it didn’t seem like biter was dead….. I could be wrong… Rorge though is Def dead lol

  158. Tony
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    preview spoilers

    They are REALLY going to kill Gilly off. WTF… So annoyed… Clearly that shot off her there, Sam’s tears. At the very least he thinks she is dead and she might have escaped or hold prisoner (yeah right) They better not take away Gilly’s S5 arc :( Clearly they think ONLY the baby serves a purpose or something. Come on really!

    Pretty good episode but nothing special. The ending was really strong with Tyrion / Oberyn and the Vale scenes. I understand the ‘your sister’ but they could have gone with ‘your sister… + only cat’ at least?!

  159. Hot Pie's Gravy
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:50 am | Permalink
  160. René
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Gee, a scene-change from Dutch buttocks to Dutch breasts. We Dutch are not pieces of meat you know!

  161. TheBerylfly
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    I am with those who were annoyed by “Only Cat” change. Rings better, and the change is symbolic of many bigger changes D&D introduce for no reason where book storyline would have worked just as well. And I am once again bitterly laughing at those who live to come to those posts and scream their heads off at “book purists”. Plus, I think we are giving Unsullied too little credit. Most of them remember who Kevan was, seriously.

    Oh and I continue to believe Shireen will not be burned until the books prove me otherwise, but damn you, show(((

    The scene with Bronn and Tyrion was my favorite, living up to my anxious expectations and more

  162. Daemon
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I think you’re a little harsh in your assessment of season 1. The “mediocre” first half is really only episodes 2 and 3. By the 4th episode, tension towards Viserys skyrockets, Ned starts putting pieces together (and even then we know this will lead to a poor ending for SOMEONE), Sam is introduced with his heartbreaking story, Hugh is killed (start to realize someone is on to Ned), and Tyrion is captured.
    ….and that’s the third worst episode of the season. I do agree season 4 is better than 2, and should be 3, but there’s a long way to go before I’m putting it ahead of 1.

  163. Daemon
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    Tony,

    If they do kill her off, it would seem like a good sign they aren’t sending Sam to Oldtown. It’s possible I suppose, but it seems unlikely. She’s a wildling too so maybe she just lies and says she was taken south against her will.

  164. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    René,

    I thank the Dutch for producing such a sensational beauty. And I thank Carice for being so comfortable in the buff. If I looked like that, I would never wear clothes.

  165. Our Blades are Sharp
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Hot Pie’s Gravy,

    We have a winner

  166. TheBerylfly
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Also (because the site won’t let me edit for whatever reason) MY personal nitpick (specifically for several woodheads – people are seriously allowed to have small things that annoy them, get over it) – was the lack of Petyr during the snowcastle building because, once again, symbolism (but i guess there are books to take care of such things)

  167. AO
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    I honestly didn’t even remember the “Only Cat” line until I started browsing the comment sections here but that change was kinda pointless and condescending…Like is “Cat” as a nickname literally such a massive stretch from “Catelyn” that it requires ‘setting up’? That people would be immediately confused? I mean, if you’re already at the point where you can recall who Lysa is and who her sister is, it’s not like “Cat” is going to be some mind-boggling reference. There’s literally no one else it could be referring to.

  168. loco73
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    It seems that tonight’s yet again excellent episode, was one of confessions and revelations…

    Great episode and so much to love! Once again Peter Dinklage killed it, as he showed the pain that Tyrion has had to endure all his life, that of not ever being trully loved by anyone…a pain which he has had to internalize and hide from the outside world, a pain which works as his weapon and shield simultaneouly. Yet in as much as his pain is his asset, it is also his weakness, and as good as Tyrion is at hidding it, finally it was Oberyn who managed to draw it out of him! And if that was not enough, he also got crushed by both Jamie and Bronn…and once again re-affirmed by far why Tyrion (as well as Dany and Jon) is my favourite character and why Peter Dinklage is such an awesome actor.

    Of course Arya and The Hound are the odd couple, but also a favourite one. Great scenes with both of them, and the acknowlegdement by the Hound of his painful childhood.

    At the Wall, it is clear that as much as Alisser Thorne would like to isolate and shame Jon, Jon is having an impact on his other rank and file brethern who cannot help but pay attention to what he is saying and the fact that he is right…which is a nice segway into Jon’s eventual ascent to Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch!!!

    Ahhh and Sansa in the snow…for a few seconds there, with the music play it felt as if Winterfel was alive once again…but only briefly! Uhhh and Sansa’s bitchslap to Lil’ Peter aka Joffrey in training! That was a resounding success! I got to also give it to Little Finger, he was a scene stealer too! I think this is about as honest he’ll ever get! Fly Lysa, fly…I’m wondering if her head will survive the fall a…with all the hair perfectly still attached to it, and then just sit there…

    Plus Melissandre…Shireen’s future and crazy Lady Stannis…hmmm a foreshadowing! And seeing Dany turning into an able manipulator brought a smile to my face, first she used man-meat Daario to her own satisfaction and managed to make Jorah feel better! Our girl is all grown-up!

    Plus Hot Pie, Brienne and Pod..nice combo and set-up! That path they chose…well, well!

    All in all this episode was the perfect combination between balancing really personal and intimate story details and being the launching pad for what should be a tremendous conclusion to this season!

  169. The nth of his name
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Am I alone in liking the line “your sister”? It seemed much colder to look Lysa dead in the eye and say “your sister”, making it so personal. Those complaining though, it really is quite the nit to pick from a scene that was so much straight from the book, from the snow castle, to the kiss, to the kill.

    Great episode, all in all, Dinklage is killing me this season, he is amazing. There wasn’t a dry eye in the room while he reacted to Oberyn’s tale.

  170. mal
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    new Daario is SOOOOO boring! and bland when Jorah is banished, is this the guy we have to contend with for how long? I don’t remember too clearly. Doesn’t Daario get captured where he’s going? maybe that’s a change? IDR
    Everything about new Daario is wrong (so many *scoffs from me during his scene this ep)

  171. Alfador
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    I have read the books and I don’t even remember that he said “Only Cat”, what’s so amazing about that line? “Your Sister” works just as well IMO.

  172. gewa76
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    René,

    You’re Dutch? Hoe gaat het? :D

    Unless René is a guy’s name. Then forget I asked. I was imagining a dead ringer for Carice.

  173. Benjen
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    sooooo, who is going to be the fake hound ripping up the riverlands and have a big battle with Brienne? I guess the way they are fast-tracking Brienne the whole timeline doesn’t fit for those happenings but I’d like to see Brienne fight

  174. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    EverydayImHodoring:
    Can you fly, Bobby?

    I’d buy that for a dollar!

  175. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Alfador,

    I know right the only important part in that scene was pushing that annoying bitch out of the moon door and they did it. I was really hoping Petyr yelled this is sparta and just kicked her ass out of the moon door, that would have been wayyyy better than the books.

  176. mal
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    Kinda worried about Season 5 Dany story. I feel they’re gonna change things up semi-drastically, but I hope it’s not a repeat of Season 2′s meandering “where are my dragons” BS. Is it me, or story event/line changes aren’t good. I’m talking about storyline changes and new characters: was Robb’s wife all that more interesting (people only remember her for getting stabbed in the belly). Locke was ok I guess. Everything Dany season 2. Jon at Craster’s was ok (semi-powerful Craster wives burning the Keep). I’m not saying all changes, there have been great minor tweaks here and there. Also, some “the show did it better” but equally as much “it was better/clearer in the books”.

  177. Not as your judge, as your champion.
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    ash,

    I understand your point about HP, but D & D can’t keep actors from aging :)

  178. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    mal,

    I think the changes are really good and you are really annoying.

  179. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    outdoorcats: only scrolled through some of the first few dozen replies, and most of it is about ‘Only Cat’ to ‘Your Sister’ — I’m surprised lots of people aren’t discussing the strong implications of the Melisandre/Selyse scene that Selyse is lesbian (and obsessed with Melisandre). Interestingly enough, that’s a theory I floated in my head while reading the books, to explain why Stannis and Selyse’s marriage was such a disaster. So

    To me I thought it more a lament that she doesn’t have the body Melisandre has. Selyse is almost cadaverous in her look, particularly her head, which is almost skeletal. It’s a nice contrast.

    And I’ll update to say that this episode is probably higher than I said just up the thread a bit. It’s on the level of all of the strongest episodes of the year, so for now I’d probably order it something like: 2/7/6/1/4/5/3.

  180. wr3_1440
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    “Are you a knight?”

    Possibly the funniest line in the whole series so far. That it was building up for the better part of three years madeit even funnier.

  181. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    ash:
    Winter Soldier,

    No I don’t think Hot Pie appeared again in the books, but it was a good way of giving Brienne info, and I loved the new improved wolf bread. Only problem I had was how much older HP looked.Last week, Cerseis says its been over a year since she saw her daughter.So its probably been only a year or so since Ned’s death, so Hot Pie should still look like he was. or have I gotten time totally mixed up? Anyway, great episode

    He looked to be the same age to me, no appreciable difference.

  182. mal
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce,

    really? :(

  183. Not as your judge, as your champion.
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I had tears running down my face, but when Prince Oberyn told Tyrion about his disappointment of not seeing a monster, but “just a baby”… full-blown, ugly-cry.

  184. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    mal,

    I agree that new Daario has been a bad recast, Daario #1 had the right look and personality for the role and would have made this romance far more interesting. There are a lot of roles Michiel Huisman would be good for in this show but Daario is not one of them. The more I think about the recast the more pissed I get because I don’t think original Daario quit, I think he was fired for personal reasons. The actor playing Daario would have signed a multi season contract to play Daario and couldn’t just quit without being sued by HBO. This isn’t some daytime soap opera or sitcom, a noticeable recast like that should only happen when they have no other choice not because they didn’t like his performance or behavior on set.

  185. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    mal,

    No I’m just messing with you the where are my Dragunz change in season 2 felt like it didn’t belong in the series. I don’t know some changes annoy me but it seems like the overall plot is still intact.

  186. gewa76
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Relax. Daario is a stupid character anyway. Might as well get upset over Robert Iler playing AJ Soprano.

  187. BTR
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    Arya scene with the dying peasant and Rorge/Biter were by far the weakest in premise. The amazing acting and strong script helped save it from being a total disaster, but were not enough.

    1) The dying peasant was absurd. Perhaps a (non-transfixed) innkeep would be willing to pontificate about deteriorating conditions and general violence, but someone that close to death? No way.

    2) Rorge and Biter are terrible assassins. Rorge’s complete inaction when Arya drew a sword on him makes absolutely no sense.

  188. tdraicer
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    >although with this being undoubtedly the weakest season so far

    My version would read “this being undoubtedly the strongest season so far, though they have all been amazing.” I would say at this point GoT has passed I Claudius as my favorite thing done on tv ever.

  189. René
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    gewa76:
    René,

    You’re Dutch? Hoe gaat het? :D

    Unless René is a guy’s name. Then forget I asked. I was imagining a dead ringer for Carice.

    Hehe, René can mean both in the Netherlands, in my case its male, so I forget you asked. :)
    But the ladies here are free to imagine me a dead ringer for Michiel Huisman!

  190. mal
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I don’t really mind cast changes if I felt it was the same character in ANY way! I liked the old Daario at least in that the affectations/characterization he had fit well. Well, aggravating for you and me both since next season Huisman is elevated to main cast member. I think that means they have to have him for a certain number of scenes/episodes.

  191. EverydayImHodoring
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Feremuntrus: On a side note, some people like/hate Aiden’s voice as Littlefinger and he finally gets asked about this in an interview! Honestly, intentionally or otherwise it adds to the effect of his mysterious, chaotic nature. I think his performance this episode was great as well as people like Sophie, Pascal, and others who were superb.
    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Game-Thrones-Mockingbird-Postmortem-Littlefinger-Gillen-1081973.aspx

    I don’t mind his voice, I like it actually, but what they should have asked is why his “voice” changed this season compared to Season’s 1-3. It’s almost like he forgot how to do it.

  192. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    I think season 4 is the best so far and we haven’t gotten to a lot of the good stuff yet! For me it’s 4>1>3>2

  193. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    I like New Daario. He’s super hot. I can’t understand why Dany would be so into 1st show Daario or book Daario, but Michael Huisman Daario … yes, yes, yes.

  194. Zychotous
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Great Episode. I’ve been waiting to see how the The Hound would get injured.

    Now I’m curious to how they will part. Since the Arya/The Hound have developed a much closer relationship than in the books. It would seem out of place for them to stick to her leaving him out of spite and saying he doesn’t deserve mercy. Maybe he tell her to just go, or asks her to do it and she can’t.

  195. EverydayImHodoring
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    JamesL: The more I think about the recast the more pissed I get because I don’t think original Daario quit, I think he was fired for personal reasons. The actor playing Daario would have signed a multi season contract to play Daario and couldn’t just quit without being sued by HBO. This isn’t some daytime soap opera or sitcom, a noticeable recast like that should only happen when they have no other choice not because they didn’t like his performance or behavior on set.

    It’s speculated that he quit to star in a movie (not unlike Conan Stevens/The Mountain)

    http://www.themarysue.com/ed-skrein-post-got-role/

  196. EverydayImHodoring
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    BTR: 2) Rorge and Biter are terrible assassins. Rorge’s complete inaction when Arya drew a sword on him makes absolutely no sense.

    Oh I don’t know, if I was a terrible mercenary thug and had a girl between the age around 9 or 11, with a small, thin sword approaching me, I think I’d have my guard down a bit, maybe even a lot. I’d probably even laugh, too. But you are right, they are terrible assassins, which is why they are dead.

  197. EverydayImHodoring
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: To me I thought it more a lament that she doesn’t have the body Melisandre has. Selyse is almost cadaverous in her look, particularly her head, which is almost skeletal. It’s a nice contrast.

    Plus the fact that she looked at her face in the mirror to compare looks. She’s definitely comparing herself to see what Stannis likes/wants.

  198. FrYo
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    Loved it right until the last 5s. Why ruin the best one liner of the show just to make sure that even that guy who only saw 2 episodes and did not even bother seeing the whole of this one really really knows who Cat was.

    They play with the ‘only’ during the full speech and just ‘avoid’ using it to deliver the final blow.

  199. mal
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    Zychotous,

    heard there was another big fight scene with the Hound, so maybe he gets hurt then. I hope so, that would be bad ass if he fought like 10 guys outside in the open

  200. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I always assumed that there would be a greyscale break out and that Shireen would be the cause of it.

  201. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    Read the first several comments and had to say something. The reaction to this episode is a reason why sometimes the most rabid of book fans (so please don’t get defensive reasonable ones) frustrate me so much.

    We got an excellent scene with Oberyn giving a book-lifted monologue (that was not a sure thing) and delivering it to perfection, and not only that but the moment was perhaps even more powerful in the books because we got to actually see Tyrion’s face as the story was told. But instead of appreciating the clear dedication to the source material that D&D exhibited by featuring a lengthy monologue from the books, they focus on the tiniest of changes that has ZERO substantive difference from what was said in the books.

    I have no idea why they changed it from “Only Cat” to “only your sister,” and without knowing their intent, I can’t really decry it as condescending or not. What I do know is that the difference between that moment and the one in the books was purely semantics and nothing more, so it’s not really worth discussing.

  202. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    Looks like Tyrion gave his wife some slapping lessons.

  203. EverydayImHodoring
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen:
    Read the first several comments and had to say something. The reaction to this episode is a reason why sometimes the most rabid of book fans (so please don’t get defensive reasonable ones) frustrate me so much.

    We got an excellent scene with Oberyn giving a book-lifted monologue (that was not a sure thing) and delivering it to perfection, and not only that but the moment was perhaps even more powerful in the books because we got to actually see Tyrion’s face as the story was told. But instead of appreciating the clear dedication to the source material that D&D exhibited by featuring a lengthy monologue from the books, they focus on the tiniest of changes that has ZERO substantive difference from what was said in the books.

    I have no idea why they changed it from “Only Cat” to “only your sister,” and without knowing their intent, I can’t really decry it as condescending or not. What I do know is that the difference between that moment and the one in the books was purely semantics and nothing more, so it’s not really worth discussing.

    HODOR!

  204. Unbowed Unbent UnHodor
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Make the complainers FLY!

    On a serious note, that is one of my favourite chapters in the books. I loved the snow castle scene which is the highlight for me, That snow garden looks amazing! They had a stark theme which is so beautifully sad. Pretty annoyed they changed ‘Only Cat’ to ‘Your sister’. Really catering for people who have no idea what’s going on and that annoys me.
    Nothing is as good as you picture in you’re head and I’ve accepted that.

    My episode order: 7,6,2,1,5,4,3

  205. hinesy24
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    I’ll believe that Gilly dies next week when I see it. She’s had much more screen-time so far than she does in the books and killing her off now would serve no purpose other than to make Sam feel worse. I don’t know how she survives what happens in Mole’s Town, but I’m guessing she does.

    They are really setting Jon up as the only logical candidate for Lord Commander aren’t they? When those giants arrive and start immediately crashing the gates (which we know they will from the trailers), the leadership will look like fools and Jon will look like a genius. If Alliser Thorne dies in E9 (as some suspect), who else would even be a decent candidate? The guys who were completely wrong about the defenses or Janos Slynt, the guy who literally knows nothing about his surroundings?

    Daemon – The Lannisters didn’t tell him to decapitate his horse and try to murder Loras Tyrell in front of a crowd that should have been thousands. I can’t picture v3.0 doing that. When he’s killing in this episode, he has the coldness of a psychopath down, but the anger and the rage is missing and I hope that returns next episode.

  206. Jesteros
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    Truth be told, I never thought “Only Cat” would make it to the screen. I know exactly zero (0) Unsullied who know Catelyn as anything but “Lady Stark”, and using her nickname would only serve to confuse people even further. I understand why people like that line – it is a POWERFUL bait-and-switch – but the line in the show had the exact same effect, just with more clarity. The rage over this is such a strange concept to me – was the fact that the line included the words “only” and “Cat” in it what made it powerful to some, and not the idea behind it?

  207. hinesy24
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    Also, the theories about Shireen being sacrificed to Melisandre’s fires don’t add up to me. Melisandre needs Stannis just as much as Stannis needs Melisandre. Murdering his daughter and his only heir would almost certainly be a death sentence for her and would definitely prevent her from working with Stannis in the future…

    While I do like the other theory better Shireen substituting for Val, it’s also speculation. What book-readers know and Melisandre has probably seen in her fires is that Shireen has to leave Dragonstone because Stannis won’t hold Dragonstone for much longer, but whatever end-game purpose she will serve is still a mystery to us.

  208. Dnis
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    I’m hoping Brienne and Pod meet up with the mountain clans. I miss Shagga.

  209. Blood Crow
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:40 am | Permalink

    In response to “only cat” gate I propose another one. When did Arya’s needlework get so good as to stitch a wound. The very fist scene we have of her is failing at her needle work & it’s not like she’s had anytime to practice. D&D need to explain this!!!

  210. Nathanyel
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    Mel is using the old “I’ve been playing them all, except you. You’re too clever for that” deception.

    Giving at least some credit to her fire-watching powers, or at least ability to guesstimate the future, she knows staying at Dragonstone will do no good to a Baratheon. Why she needs Shireen though, that’s another question…

  211. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    Blood Crow,

    She didn’t say she was good at it. Probably why the wound will fester.

  212. Mariya Martell
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    Great, great episode! Loved (almost) everything about it.

    The Hound recalling his story was surprisingly emotional. I would never expect to get teary-eyed at anything coming out of his mouth.

    Tyrion and Bronn was great, as was Jaime’s visit (and doesn’t Bronn look like fancy in his new clothes!) And a mention to Lady Lollys!

    Tyrion and Oberyn was even better! When Tyrion says “shes’s wanted it for a long time” oh boy! Baby Tyrion story on the way, yep, I was excited! \o/

    Hot Pie was a pleasant surprise. What a great monologue. Brienne’s expression during the entire thing was hilarious. But Brienne, just because you got away with it this time, doesn’t mean Pod wasn’t right. Listen to him!

    Daenerys stepped up a little. Loved “No. Tell him you changed my mind.” Ha.! She’s much better when she has more dialogue to work with. But all that talk about trust was sad, in a way, knowing what’s to come.

    Mellisandre’s bit was awkward, but I was really intrigued by her revelation about Shireen. A “spoiler” as big as the whitewalker reveal, subtly introduced. I liked it.

    And Sansa to end the episode. The castle scene was nice (in a heartbreaking way), but that little punk had to ruin everything. Littlefinger saying he should have been slapped by his mother a long time ago was almost verbatim what I had answered in my mind. Which is a bit scary :/

    Talking about scary, the kiss. Oh Petyr, you creep.

    Lysa brought on her best crazy for the end! But like everyone, I disliked the “your sister” line.

    So, all in all, this episode received an “Exceeds Expectations” mark :P

    Only a few small nitpicks for now:

    - Only Cat; why change an iconic line? Cat is a well known name, even amongst the more distracted Unsullied. Lysa mentioned it a few times in the other episode. And even if the name didn’t immediately ring a bell, everyone knows Littlefinger loved Sansa’s mother (as he had mentioned just a couple of minutes before).

    - Elia and Oberyn’s mother, not father, took them to Casterly Rock (though he travelled with them). Small detail, I know, but it would help establish what will become important in the future: equal primogeniture and the power women have in Dorne. And it’s just another way to establish Dorne’s difference’s to the rest of the realm. There was absolutely no reason to change this.

    - As we’re on that subject, no mention of the Laws of Dorne and Myrcella’s right above Tommen’s to inherit the Throne and Tyrion’s invitation for a lengthy visit to Sunspear. Pity. Would add even more excitement to the prospect of Oberyn winning the duel (who doesn’t want an Oberyn/Tyrion roadtrip, now that Bronn has found a nest?).

  213. Mariya Martell
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:48 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Blood Crow,

    She didn’t say she was good at it. Probably why the wound will fester.

    Exactly. She didn’t do a good job cleaning it either, before starting to stitch :/

  214. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Now that I’ve seen the episode –

    What I liked:
    - Tyrion’s scenes
    - Alliser Thorne
    - “Ser Gregor, welcome to the capital.” That line was hilarious
    - More Oberyn/Tyrion backstory.

    What I didn’t like:
    - The anti-climactic deaths of Rorge and Biter
    - Jon wanting to seal the gate. It makes sense, but I’m not sure how that are going to link that with his intense opposition to it in ADwD, unless the severely change the events leading up to his death.
    - “Your sister”. As most others have said, it isn’t an important change, and the show version worked, but it just seemed like a pointless thing to change given how iconic that line is.

    Regarding Melisandre – I think the shirtless Gregor seemed far more out of place than the topless Melisandre.

  215. Hexonx
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Jesteros: The rage over this is such a strange concept to me – was the fact that the line included the words “only” and “Cat” in it what made it powerful to some, and not the idea behind it?

    I think you’re overblowing the rage factor as it seems most think of it as a minor nitpick. I’m certainly not outraged but I would have prefered they kept the original line. Also, the argument that most wouldn’t know who Cat is could have easily been addressed in the previous scene with Sansa. Peter brought up her mother and could have said something like, “Cat, we used to call her.” But again, it’s just a minor annoyance.

    Anyway that was a very solid episode. Tyrion/Oberyn is probably my favorite one to one scene since Jaime/Brienne bath scene. Great emotion throughout. Loved the back story about when they were children. You could tell Tyrion was grateful that Oberyn didn’t see him as a monster. I don’t remember from the books, was that the first time Tyrion had heard that story about Cersei pinching him until Jaime made her stop? And then Oberyn’s rage when talking about the Mountain, Pedro has knocked the Red Viper out of the park.

    Also, I’m pretty sure Hot Pie was still with Arya and company when the Brotherhood captured the Hound. He didn’t say Arya was off with the Hound, only that the Brotherhood was going to ransom him and Arya off.

  216. Hogwarts > Kingslanding
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    I’m thinking the Mountain will die in the next episode. I find it hard to believe D&D would keep him around basically for nothing when they can just off his character. I just wonder if the outcome of the trial will be more like a draw, setting up some ambiguity? Either way im prepared for a change of some sort

  217. Hexonx
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Hogwarts &gt; Kingslanding:
    I’m thinking the Mountain will die in the next episode. I find it hard to believe D&D would keep him around basically for nothing when they can just off his character. I just wonder if the outcome of the trial will be more like a draw, setting up some ambiguity? Either way im prepared for a change of some sort

    Well if he is indeed Robert Strong they will still need him.

  218. Mariya Martell
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    Anyway that was a very solid episode.Tyrion/Oberyn is probably my favorite one to one scene since Jaime/Brienne bath scene.Great emotion throughout.Loved the back story about when they were children.You could tell Tyrion was grateful that Oberyn didn’t see him as a monster.I don’t remember from the books, was that the first time Tyrion had heard that story about Cersei pinching him until Jaime made her stop?And then Oberyn’s rage when talking about the Mountain, Pedro has knocked the Red Viper out of the park.

    It was indeed the first time Tyrion heard that story. Though Oberyn told him about it when they first met in the road to Kings Landing (and didn’t have the emotional charge it had in the show – awesomely done and, for me, it trumps the trial scene by a landslide. Much harder to pull that kind of silent emotion).

  219. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:11 am | Permalink

    Some crazy speculation for how some of the storylines could play out for this season.

    Now that Rorge and Biter(Brienne’s downfall) and Polliver and co. (Hound’s downfall) have both been dispatched differently from in the books, what if Brienne’s storyline for this season is rounded off with her and Pod actually finding the Hound and them having a big fight scene. The Hound is already feverous from his neck wound and so Brienne gets the better of him, bites off the Hound’s ear in the skirmish and then wounds him fatally, but can’t finish him off, because Arya runs off, not knowing Brienne’s intentions for her. Later Arya comes back and has her scene with the Hound dying. It would be a massive diversion from the books, but it would make for a killer altercation that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.

    In terms of Lady Stoneheart, we’re obviously not going to see her being pulled out of the river and resurrected at this late stage, because she would have been in the water for months now. But stay with me here, what if we saw all that as a flashback in one of Bran’s tree visions in episode 10, just before seeing her hanging Freys? I really don’t want her meeting Brienne this season, that’s too soon.

  220. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:14 am | Permalink

    Hogwarts &gt; Kingslanding,

    We need a scene between the dying Mountain and Qyburn in episode 10, if only to help re-establish Qyburn and his role next season. They can talk about the Mountain slaughtering everyone in Harrenhal and Qyburn being the only survivor.

  221. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    Robert Strong is almost certainly UnGregor. He’ll show back up next season. Plus, the mention of Felyse means that Qyburn’s reign of terror is happening and it must be important.

  222. Hogwarts > Kingslanding
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    Hexonx,

    Right, not sure how I feel about that whole storyline. Oberyn’s death was hard for me to take in the book. I’m interested and kind of nervous as to how the whole scene will take place in the show

  223. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:23 am | Permalink

    Seems like Danys Arc in Mereen is about to be really boring like her chapters in A dance with dragons.

  224. Hogwarts > Kingslanding
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Troublesome Birdsong,

    I can definitely see that working. Qyburn has only been seen in one episode this season so we definitely need another scene with him before the finale.

  225. Blaat
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    For the first time I’m actualy a bit angry about a change. Because I simply can not understand it. Changing “Only Cat” to “Your sister” isn’t simply unnecessary, it is also insulting to the audience. As if followers of the show don’t remember Catelyn Stark. They even mentioned her throughout the episode and made Littlefinger profess her love for her again. I hope someone is savvy enough to work the scene and change to what it should be. It ruined this great episode a bit.

  226. Jackol
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    I don’t see why they would change the outcome of the duel from the books.

    Oberyn basically has to die. The Mountain could go either way, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t follow the books there.

    The Hound isn’t dead in the books, of course. Whether they choose to change that for the show will presumably depend on whether the Hound has an important future role that we don’t know of yet and if they see a good reason to kill him off for emotional impact.


    It would seem out of place for them to stick to her leaving him out of spite and saying he doesn’t deserve mercy. Maybe he tell her to just go, or asks her to do it and she can’t.

    As I recall Arya’s attitude to the Hound in the books is a very conflicted one, and it’s not clear to me that while she says he doesn’t deserve mercy that it’s not actually the fact she can’t bring herself to do it, which seems a lot more likely to me and not really spite at all, though she may tell herself that to avoid feeling like a coward and dealing with her complex relationship with the Hound.

  227. Arya Dunyett
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    As all the rest, I was troubled by “Your sister”, but I’ll get over it. It’s small potatoes.

    Taking the Melisandre/Selyse scene as a whole, it worked as a seduction of the queen – to tantalize her, confide in her and bind her to the religious strategy of the priestess. The queen will be a powerful and necessary ally when the time comes for more sacrificial lambs. The Red Woman knows Stannis loves his daughter and wouldn’t allow any harm to her.

  228. Anvil
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    Hell yes! Food pr0n!

  229. Ramon Carlos
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    My big complaint: Durnig the “Only Cat” scene: Where was Marmillion? When I envisioned the scene, the singer was skulking behind the throne to avoid the drama unfolding in the moon door. How will LF explain Lysa’s demise to the lords of the vale? IIRC, the door to the room opens soon after and the guards come pouring in, allowing LF to blame Marmillion. Perhaps my memory of the book is flawed and it was really just them Sansa, Lysa and LF in the room.

    Are we going to see Mia Stone – who happens to be BFFs with Miranda Royce – IIRC.

  230. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:46 am | Permalink

    Blaat,

    Well its their show and they can do whatever they want with the characters. They don’t have to go word for word to make an awesome book to tv adaption. I think this is sparta would have worked better than Only Cat.

  231. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    EverydayImHodoring,

    Yea, it has been speculated but legally he couldn’t do that if he was signed on for multiple seasons. Same thing with Conan, unless he only signed a 1 season contract. Conan himself said he didn’t quit, he just wasn’t asked back. I think they wanted to go another direction with Daario to try and make Dany look better. Notice how in season 3 Dany was swooning over him and now all of a sudden he swooning over her and she is playing hard to get. Original Daario would have made that relationship far more interesting on now it is just dull. Dany’s storyline is going to be tough to keep interesting next season and now with dull Daario #2 they made it even worse. A good Daario casting would have helped that storyline a lot, original Daario wasn’t perfect but he was a much better choice than new Daario.

  232. Hexonx
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:55 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce: I think this is sparta would have worked better than Only Cat.

    This made me lol, and then he kicks her out instead of pushes her. Will probably be a YouTube spoof shortly.

  233. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Blaat,

    It is irrelevant, it makes the scene neither better or worse.

  234. Hexonx
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    Hogwarts &gt; Kingslanding:
    Hexonx,

    Right, not sure how I feel about that whole storyline. Oberyn’s death was hard for me to take in the book. I’m interested and kind of nervous as to how the whole scene will take place in the show

    I think it will play out pretty much as it does in the books. There is a pic out there of Lena pretending to gouge Pedro’s eyes out which I think could be some foreshadowing. Maybe the Mountain gouges Oberyn’s eyes out instead of bashes his head repeatedly into the ground. He’s definitely a goner. Which will stun the unsullied as I am sure everyone expects him to win. It’s a shame we only got the Red Viper for one season. As far as the Mountain he will probably be incapacitated and carried out, his fate left ambiguous.

  235. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    Hexonx,

    Oh man they got to throw in “This is madness Petyr” to make the kick epic.

  236. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    “Your sister is Cat. Cat is your sister.” Oh noes, that scene totally depended on that one name, just like “Jaime Lannister sends his regards.” Which, by the way, was a much better quote from the books that was altered. People will get over it. Neither of the scenes or their impact changed from omitting one word.

  237. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    Really good episode, probably my favourite of D&D’s contributions so far this season (maybe even ever). Nice to get Oberyn’s story about Tyrion; both Peter and Pedro were superb in that scene. The Mountain, Hot Pie, Rorge and Biter; so many old faces getting their greatest hits played back, especially the former 2.

    My only complaint would be Dany’s scene with Daario. Because, “Any scene which must end with ‘take off your clothes’ is no true scene at all.”

  238. KG
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    No ripple effect. She finds out from Timeon after they kill Nimble Dick. So they eliminated that side story and she had to find out about Arya somehow. Ta-da! Hot Pie to the rescue!

  239. por
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    EverydayImHodoring: Oh I don’t know, if I was a terrible mercenary thug and had a girl between the age around 9 or 11, with a small, thin sword approaching me, I think I’d have my guard down a bit, maybe even a lot. I’d probably even laugh, too. But you are right, they are terrible assassins, which is why they are dead.

    Terrible assassins indeed. Rorge would have been better off attacking while the Hound was still reeling from Biter’s initial blow and unaware of Rorge’s presence. Instead, he just stands off to the side with sword lowered waiting to be noticed like a dumbass. Not sure how those two managed to survive as long as they did if that’s the way they fought.

  240. KG
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    I…….. LIKE IT!

    Greatjon of Slumber: I’d buy that for a dollar!

  241. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    Just to show how much I loved this episode, my insomniac ass has watched it 3 times already, and I had to come back and comment on it again. The scenes between Tyrion-Bronn and especially Tyrion-Oberyn were home fucking runs. Pedro Pascal killed it, he absolutely killed it! That scene alone would be worthy of an Emmy nomination. Those who lambasted the casting choice are being served up a huge plate of crow.

    Updated season 4 episode rankings:

    1. ‘Mockingbird’
    2. ‘Two Swords’
    3. ‘The Laws Of Gods And Men’
    4. ‘Oathkeeper’
    5. ‘The Lion And The Rose’
    6. ‘Breaker Of Chains’
    7. ‘First Of His Name’

  242. arya_fan
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg:

    The two Hound/Arys scenes rocked (as usual), I want Sandor to accompany Arya across the sea, then he can travel to Volantis to join Tyrion and Jorah, books be damned, make it so D&D, you aren’t obliged to follow all the arcs in your adaption.

    AhAh! I so approve this ;)

  243. por
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    KG:
    Ashara D,

    No ripple effect. She finds out from Timeon after they kill Nimble Dick.So they eliminated that side story and she had to find out about Arya somehow. Ta-da! Hot Pie to the rescue!

    I’m somewhat concerned about the pacing. The Brienne/Pod storyline is a full book ahead of the rest of the stories. If we do indeed get LS before the end of the season, next season we’ll be into unpublished material. If there is no LS this season, we’ll get lots of Brienne and Pod wandering the Riverlands and little action. Neither seems ideal to me.

  244. David Hamburger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:39 am | Permalink

    Only Cat:
    Ryan E,

    Thats almost as bad a reason for changing Asha to Yara. This isn’t the only line they have changed for no reason.

    How hard is it for Lysa to say “Cat never loved you like I did”

    You’ve now said this twice in this thread. Others have given very logical possible reasons for both changes.

    Just because you don’t like their reasons doesn’t mean there aren’t any reasons. It’s completely unfair to the writers to assume and accuse they have no reason for what they do.

    You’re certainly not the only one doing this here.

  245. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    EverydayImHodoring,

    Littlefinger’s voice didn’t change this season, it changed after season 1. He has been using this deeper raspier voice ever since season 2.

  246. spacechampion
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:51 am | Permalink

    The heart wants what the heart wants, and people want the line to be the same as it was in the books simply because it was the perfect phrase at the perfect moment for it. I’m a fan of reason & logic, but in this case the scene was an emotional climax to decades long storyline so people aren’t wrong to want what they want.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if something dubs “Only Cat” over the scene.

  247. Kellie
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I wish you could just LIKE comments on here!

  248. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:01 am | Permalink

    Somebody above speculated that Brienne will be the one to kill the Hound and when you think about it that seems exactly where these 2 storylines are headed. I’m not sure how I will feel about this change if it turns out true…

  249. Raga Dal
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Am I wrong, or did the writers do a 180 with Jon and Alliser Thorne about permanently sealing the gates with rocks and ice ? In ADWD, wasn’t it Bowen Marsh who advocates it with Jon telling him it was a bad idea because Castle Black would be cut off and any rangers North of the Wall couldn’t get through?

    If so, it seems like a really bizarre thing to change.

  250. King Stannis
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    If only I can throw complainers of the moondoor I would. They changed only cat line…. waaaaaah

    Incase some of you are slow:
    Only Cat= Your Sister

    Start bitching and crying if Petyr would have said. Only power, Only Dog, Only Penis, Only lemon cakes, Only chicken. Get over it!

  251. Ser Dosser
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    They said this season would be the most action packed, but so far it has been the slowest of them all and overall boring.

  252. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    Ser Dosser:
    They said this season would be the most action packed, but so far it has been the slowest of them all and overall boring.

    We’ve had the tavern scene, Joffrey’s death, Craster’s Keep, Tyrion’s trial and Lysa’s death so far, and the most eventful episodes are yet to come. Compare the first seven episodes of this season tothe first seven of any other season and tell me this has veen the least eventful season. So far it’s been the most consistently good one, every episode has been either great or excellent.

  253. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    Only Cat = Your sister = WHO FRIKKIN CARES.

    ZERO effect on impact of scene, but might have an effect on casual viewer who cannot keep straight who everybody is. I defer to D&D’s judgment on this one. This is book purist whining, nay, whinging, at its worst.

    A transitionary episode which I enjoyed. I thought the introduction of Hot Pie at the Inn was GOOD writing by D&D and “felt right”. Erased chapters of pointless trekking about in AFFC with one enjoyable scene. Well done.

    Rorge and Biter with the Hound and Arya: We can all see where that bite is going to go. Rory’s part in this tale is about to come to an end.

    I can do without Marillion. We can ALL do without Marillion. So that’s just as well.

    A two week wait isn’t nearly as bad as a 40 week wait, which is coming soon enough…

  254. Roger König
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    I am doing my rewatch of the episode and i think that ser alliser will die defending the tunnels against mag the mighty, since he said how thick the bars are and so on..

  255. Ludo
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    Concerning what Mel says about Shireen :

    I have always thought that Shireen is going to have a very big role in the future, in books 6 or/and 7. If that is case, D&D know about it.

  256. tamulionis
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    It’s not the first time when author isn’t happy with female nudity (but says he isn’t against that). It’s okay to like nude guys, you don’t need to hide it.

  257. AreaStark
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Poor Area! She is turning darker every episode, even though a part of her will always be the cute little tomboy girl Area we, her true heartfelt fans, know and love!

  258. Leo
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    My rankings are:

    1. ‘The Laws of Gods and Men’
    2. ‘Breaker of Chains’
    3. ‘Mockingbird’
    4. ‘Oathkeeper’
    5. ‘The Lion and the Rose’
    6. ‘Two Swords’
    7. ‘First of His Name’

    I know the finale will be #1, but as for placing the other 2..not a clue. Wasn’t a fan of the Night’s Watch, wasn’t a huge fan of Blackwater. My expectations are set low for E9…which means I should be pleased.

  259. lagos of skagos
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    AreaStark,

    oh…”area” stark……..you feel bad because she is in a bad arya???

  260. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Just to show how much I loved this episode, my insomniac ass has watched it 3 times already, and I had to come back and comment on it again. The scenes between Tyrion-Bronn and especially Tyrion-Oberyn were home fucking runs. Pedro Pascal killed it, he absolutely killed it! That scene alone would be worthy of an Emmy nomination. Those who lambasted the casting choice are being served up a huge plate of crow.

    Updated season 4 episode rankings:

    1. ‘Mockingbird’
    2. ‘Two Swords’
    3. ‘The Laws Of Gods And Men’
    4. ‘Oathkeeper’
    5. ‘The Lion And The Rose’
    6. ‘Breaker Of Chains’
    7. ‘First Of His Name’

    That’s impressive, because I seem to recall you thought Lion and the Rose was terrific. So that’s saying something. My version:

    1. The Lion and the Rose
    2. Mockingbird
    3. The Laws of Gods and Men
    4. Two Swords
    5. Oathkeeper
    6. First of His Name
    7. Breaker of Chains

  261. AreaStark
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    lagos of skagos:
    AreaStark,

    oh…”area” stark……..you feel bad because she is in a bad arya???

    Hey, thanks for replying to me! :) Yeah, she’s in a bad area and she has fallen in with bad people, too! Oh, but I hope you won’t mind this, you are probably not a native speaker so do not worry about it too much, but if you want to say “in a bad place”, it’s “area”, not “arya”. :)

  262. cindy
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Mmm, ok then, I need to go back and rewatch those earlier episodes with him. Thanks

  263. Turncloak
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Westeros.org posted the history of the Rhoyne from the upcoming world of ice and fire book. Exciting stuff.

    http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Excerpt_The_Rhoynar

  264. lagos of skagos
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    AreaStark: Hey, thanks for replying to me! :) Yeah, she’s in a bad area and she has fallen in with bad people, too! Oh, but I hope you won’t mind this, you are probably not a native speaker so do not worry about it too much, but if you want to say “in a bad place”, it’s “area”, not “arya”. :)

    um…yeah i kinda was saying the same thing to you.but nm , i am glad you enjoy the character of “area” .i imagine you dislike Sir Sea Lannister?

  265. Antipurist
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Only Cat:
    Antipurist,

    Try again? Forget the fact that you can’t format a post properly — your “joke” is horrid, reminds me of ANGRYGOTFAN lmao keep it up.

    I guess you know what you’re getting!

  266. AreaStark
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    lagos of skagos: um…yeah i kinda was saying the same thing to you.but nm , i am glad you enjoy the character of “area” .i imagine you dislike Sir Sea Lannister?

    You were saying the same thing? I don’t understand how do you mean? Didn’t you say she was in a bad “arya”? Or was that a typo? It’s ok if it was, never mind then! :)

    Who is Sea Lannister? Is he a character in the books? I’m sorry, I didn’t read the books, there are just too many!

  267. lagos of skagos
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    AreaStark: You were saying the same thing? I don’t understand how do you mean? Didn’t you say she was in a bad “arya”? Or was that a typo? It’s ok if it was, never mind then! :)

    Who is Sea Lannister? Is he a character in the books? I’m sorry, I didn’t read the books, there are just too many!

    wow, no never mind it’s ok. “area” stark is a good character,you are right. everything is fine ,sir sea lannister is an inside joke.”area” stark never met her, never were they even in the same arya code!

  268. Shock Me
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    1. Mockingbird (7) Because every scene was near perfect
    2. The Laws of Gods and Men (6)Because Tyrion
    3. Two Swords (1)Because Chicken
    4. First of His Name (5)Because Ser Pounce of Cock Block
    5. The Lion and the Rose (2)Because who didn’t rewind their DVR to watch Joffrey choke?
    6. Breaker of Chains (3) Because Boss Daeny scene
    7. Oathkeeper (4)Because no boss scenes and weird diversions

    I was less upset with the Only Cat issue than I was the lost opportunity to introduce BWB and Nymeria’s ‘rescue” of Lady Stoneheart.

  269. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Westeros.org posted the history of the Rhoyne from the upcoming world of ice and fire book. Exciting stuff.

    http://www.westeros.org/ASoWS/News/Entry/World_of_Ice_and_Fire_Excerpt_The_Rhoynar

    I wonder if they will include all the different species of turtles living in the Rhoyne in this encyclopedia book.

  270. AreaStark
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    lagos of skagos: wow, no never mind it’s ok. “area” stark is a good character,you are right. everything is fine ,sir sea lannister is an inside joke.”area” stark never met her, never were they even in the same arya code!

    Ok see, this is a public forum, I don’t think it is very nice to be posting insider jokes on here. I mean, nobody will understand it if you just post an inside joke you have with a few friends, right? :) So I think it would be a good idea to just not do that, don’t you agree? :)

  271. Only Cat
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    David Hamburger,

    The only reason that has been put forth seems to be “the audience isn’t smart enough to remember Cat” which is hardly a good reason at all IDEK how you can say that.

    I was literally the 5th comment posted right after the show– I don’t even understand your point other than you picking an easy target in a “purist”. Take your bullshit somewhere else I am allowed to have gripes the show without getting hounded by the D&D defense team.

    good observation about I’m not the only one doing this, obviously people think it’s an unnecessary change — wake up.

  272. lagos of skagos
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    AreaStark: Ok see, this is a public forum, I don’t think it is very nice to be posting insider jokes on here. I mean, nobody will understand it if you just post an inside joke you have with a few friends, right? :) So I think it would be a good idea to just not do that, don’t you agree? :)

    yes , you are right and i do apologise . this is not the arya for that sort of thing. sorry.

  273. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Blaat,

    Sigh. “No idea what’s going on”? When was the last time anyone called her Cat, I wonder? When Littlefinger visited her in Renly’s camp in season 2, I imagine. Previously, it was uttered in the pilot and whenever Cat visited Ned at the capital. So… how many times? Half a dozen in 4 years or so? And not once in the last two years! So… do you really think it is reasonable for people to expect to remember that nickname? Casual people know her by Lady Stark; more involved show fans by Catelyn Stark. Only book readers call her Cat. So, they changed it. They could’ve changed it to “Only Catelyn” and personally I’d have preferred the sound of that, but once you’ve got to change it, I see why they chose “Your sister.” It’s not only for clarification; in the moment, since it’s directed at Lysa and Cat is only there “in spirit”, referring to her in relation to Lysa looks like even more of a personal insult to me.

    Also, don’t mistake “Only Cat” for a particularly lyrical or badass one liner. It is considered so ONLY because of the events. So, you were disappointed because of expectations, not because of anything objectively impressive about “Only Cat.” For people who watch the show, “Your sister” sounds just as cool.

  274. Only Cat
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Antipurist,

    Yeah horrible “jokes”. Don’t you have “purists” to “sansa slap”??

  275. Only Cat
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    King Stannis,

    Newsflash – You’re complaining harder than anyone in the thread.

  276. Ozymandias
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Brienne will fight the Hound in Episode 8.

    Amazing Episode ! Where are the Pedro Pascal haters ? lol

  277. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Only Cat,

    Only Cat is not a classic ASOIAF line, you should probably get over it. You probably don’t know how scripts work and its not the writers who finalize everything thats in the show, its an asshole who wears a suit and a tie who said Only Cat sounds stupid and he didn’t want that in the show. Your purists tears taste so sweet.

  278. The Lord of the Red Light
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Question will we see the Blackfish-the Freys-or Ricon this season at all??

  279. TT
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    ash,

    Talking of ages, the Mountain seriously looks 15 years younger than the Hound! Terrible casting?

  280. Only Cat
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce,

    Who are you to tell me what is and isn’t a classic ASOIAF line?????????????? A little pompous don’t you think?

    “Your purists tears taste so sweet.” — How old are you man? Little weird you’re getting off to supposed “purists” crying. Which is funny because even if you like the episode as a whole but when you question one little change with the show you are a purist.

    I dont see anyone calling out OiTF for this —”Your sister.” – Yes, this is a major nitpick and it will not ruin this scene at all for me. But I just don’t see the point in changing the quote from “Only Cat” to “Your sister.” It’s not like the audience doesn’t know who Cat or Catelyn is anymore.

    These are my feelings about the scene but of course I’m a dirty purist who hates the show.

    Grow the fuck up people are allowed to disagree with your favorite show

  281. Delta1212
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    I think Gillen looks the part (but then, I think he’s actually closer in appearance to the Littlefinger in my head than the one described in the books, appearance-wise. I tend to thrown in a little Vetinari for my mental image), and I don’t hate his performance, but I agree that it isn’t one of my favorites.

    That said, ever since arriving at the Eyrie I feel like he’s cranked it up a notch. I much prefer the writing and acting for the character this season over what has come before.

  282. Maester Howland
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    Yay, Bronns farewell scene. Yet another of my favorite book scenes made it to the show, and almost 1:1.

    But really, got no idea why some fans wanted Littlefinger to say “only cat”, rather that “only your sister”. Not a big deal.

    I was more annoyed that she screamed when she fell, which she didnt in the books. In the books, she was so crushed by what he said, that she fell silently. Much stronger (but maybe only works in a book).

    Plus in the books, it was a more life and death struggle, where she really tried to throw her out of the moondoor. In the show, it looked like she was just trying to scare her.

    And the moon door is upright, a door in the outer wall. Where Lysa had her halfway outside, and the wind was almost pulling her out.

  283. Head of the Wolf
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Tony,

    I doubt it because I think D&D know she’s important to Sam’s arc and Since it’s HBO I don’t think they will delete it. I have a couple theories on how she escapes, either she leaves though a back door or Ygritte recognises her as a wildling & lets her go with a message for the watch or the less likely the other wildlings let go with a message but if that happened then the baby would be killed & she’d be raped

  284. Hodorkovsky
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    I have to agree that “only Cat” is mainly memorable due to having become fan-shorthand for the scene. It did not strike me as particularly excellent line when reading aSOS.

    I guess people just love to complain. Get over it already.

    A bit stranger decision on the part of the show-runners is that despite of using Oberyn’s nickname in an episode-title, I don’t think he has been called “the Red Viper” ever. It’s always “Prince Oberyn” or something similar. This does not make sense to me. Why not call the Hound “Sandor” and the Mountain “Gregor”, while at it?

    Ep. 8: Ser Gregor and Prince Oberyn?

  285. bristol
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    I agree with everyone saying that this was a perfect episode. Really, this entire season has been perfect. Other seasons in their entirety barely had as many memorable scenes as this one already has.

    My rankings so far:

    1. The Laws of Gods and Men (Mockingbird was more consistent, but Tyrion’s speech was my favourite GoT moment ever)
    2. Mockingbird
    3. The Lion and the Rose
    4. First of His Name
    5. Oathkeeper
    6. Breaker of Chains
    7. Two Swords

  286. MountainThatSkates
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Well Shireen does go north with them in the books, its just not thought of as important… just that it happens. Now that I pause and think about it though, we should have guessed there’s a big reason for it, for her to go to the wall. I’m part of the belief she will be betrothed to Rickon and they will rule the north in alliance but not beneath whoever ends up atop the Iron Throne after the long winter begins and the other have been defeated

  287. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Only Cat,

    Get over it man, you’re making it sound like people are bullying you but not all of us book readers think only cat is an awesome line. They left out some parts that I thought were really cool in the books but I never go around the interweb crying about it. You’re making it sound like you could do a better job than the show writers but then again you’re just a nobody like me. I don’t think Only Cat would have changed the overall impact of the scene in general. I’m not really old but I’ll be old enough to buy my own alcohol in a few months.

  288. Dutch maester
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Wow Pedro Pascal, jus WOW. Impressive performance. Amazing episode overall, my favorite of the season (aside from the random Gregor scene killing random peasants for random reasons).

    Surprisingly, it seems as if we may have seen the last of Bronn (for now), given many people were thinking he’d accompany Jaime to Riverrun.

  289. Carne
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    The Mountain scene felt really awkward to me. Probably my least favorite scene in this episode. Plus Bjornsson being much younger than McCann, and it really shows. No way he looks older.

  290. Delta1212
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Jesteros,

    I think “Only Cat” is a slightly better line than “Only…your sister” but the emphasis there is on slightly. It’s not like they took Shakespeare and turned it into James Cameron. It’s really barely worth mentioning to my mind, let alone getting upset about.

  291. Only Cat
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce,

    No I think it’s totally unfair when someone questions a minor change in your favorite show and is immediately labelled as a tear shedding purist.

    I commend you for not “whining” about changes in the show, you should really get a medal or something.

    That doesn’t change the fact you’re only substituting it for whining about the people who are actually “whining” about the changes which is almost as bad if not worse — I am allowed to have an opinion

  292. freoduwebbe
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Deathdreams: Did Hotpie call it “Winterhell”? Or do I need to check the battery in my hearing aid?

    He sure did. I laughed myself silly on that one.

  293. Myk
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Your sister > Only Cat. Deal with it.

  294. The Winter Rose
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Really loved this episode!
    Happy the kept in the kiss between Littlefinger and Sansa and it was also great to see Hot Pie again.
    All the scenes with Tyrion were wonderful.
    This season is top notch! :)

  295. Brian
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Non-book readers aren’t dumb. They would have figured out that “Cat” is Catelyn Stark pretty quickly. It’s another example of D&D understimating the audience intelligence.

  296. Eleanor
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Can’t wait for:

    WHERE IS THE TALE OF BAELOR BREAKWIND?! NOONE UNDERSTANDS!

  297. freoduwebbe
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Blood Crow: In response to “only cat” gate I propose another one. When did Arya’s needlework get so good as to stitch a wound. The very fist scene we have of her is failing at her needle work & it’s not like she’s had anytime to practice. D&D need to explain this!!!

    hahahah
    I had the same thought… that the Hound was going to have one hell of a scar with her stitching..

  298. Jen@House Stark
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    I was all about Rory last night, wow, thought he just acted his heart out, like he was waiting for a good drama scene. Wish he had his shirt off, darn it!

  299. Tom
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    I wasn’t a fan of the new mountain, bad acting and he has such a baby face, he doesn’t look older than the hound! Conan Stevens was the perfect gregor, he had the looks and the acting, the new one doesn’t even look the least bit rough or intimidating.

    As for ‘only cat’ that didn’t bother me but seemed like a pointless change?

    Loved the Oberyn and Tyrion scenes, epic.

  300. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    I am more upset that we didn’t see Daarios infamous penis. Wtf? ” Only Cat” can suck it. I want more dick!

  301. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    I may have been a bit drunk, but I was kind of hoping that Mel would have asked Selyse to rub some lotion on her…..

  302. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Oh and baby faced Mountain sucks more than no “Only Cat”.

    I actually want Conan Stevens back!

  303. Turncloak
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Conan Stevens man. The guy had to leave a good and stable show to play a nameless Orc corpse in The Hobbit. Bad moves

  304. Turncloak
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    freoduwebbe,

    He also called it Winter*hell* in season 3 :)

  305. Carne
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Are you really Rygar?

  306. gewa76
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Hodorkovsky,

    Perhaps Oberyn’s nickname will come up in episode 8, when it’s mentioned he has a proclivity for poison. I don’t think they’ll skip over that.

  307. Winterhellion
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    The thing that bothered me about the snow castle scene was that Sansa came off as, well, just plain mean, getting far too upset with little Lord Robert just because was clumsy and messed up a tower. The book version works better for me, because Lord Robert is being willfully destructive, using his doll to knock down the towers and walls. Even then, Sansa didn’t slap him – she tried to grab his hand but instead grabbed the doll and pulled its head off, which lead to Lord Robert having one of his shaking fits and falling on the snow castle.

  308. Veltigar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Things I didn’t like:

    1) Biter trying to bite Sandor with Rorge just standing around doing nothing (and really the whole ‘nothing’ speech. I see what they are trying to do, but it ain’t working)

    2) “Your sister” was bad enough, but the CGI was shitty

    3) Emilia Clarke not wearing that second dress in all of her scenes

    4) Not enough Hot Pie

    5) Melissandre was just weird. Normally I don’t complain about the nudity, but it just seemed strange here.

    6) No Eyrie in the opening credits? But the dreadfort and Braavos were there? The credits really start to annoy me. I get that they keep showing WF, but they should change the others if they don’t appear in the episode.

    All in all a fine episode for GoT. ALthough I have to admit that I might be biased. The return of the Pie that was Promised made me so happy that I’m not being critical enough.

    You’re missing the point! There’s no throne, there is no version of this where you come out on top. Maybe your army comes and maybe it’s too much for us but it’s all on you. Because if we can’t protect the Earth, you can be damned well sure that we’ll cast Mads Mikkelsen as Euron to avenge it!

  309. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Carne:
    Rygar,

    Are you really Rygar?

    Yes. Those that know me know of my disdain for Conan Stevens so the fact that I actually miss him shows how bad I think this new guy is.

    And yea, we need more full frontal male nudity.

    And yea, I think Selyse is hot in a creepy way. And like I said at my other site, Mel looks deliciously like strawberries and cream.

  310. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Veltigar,

    Agreed about the CGI. Way worse. I liked the whole scene up until Petyr came in. Then it went downhill and the CGI ruined it. Lysa vs Sansa was intense and well acted.

  311. Ozymandias
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Season 1 (8.80)

    9.5 : Baelor, A Golden Crown, You Win or You Die
    9 : The Wolf and The Lion, The Pointy End, Fire and Blood
    8.5 : Winter is Coming
    8 : The Kingsroad, Lord Snow, Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things.

    Season 2 (8.65)

    10/10 : Blackwater
    9.5 : The Old Gods and the New
    9 : What is Dead May Never Die, Valar Morghulis
    8.5 : Garden of Bones, A Man Without Honor, The Ghost of Harrenhal
    8 : The North Remembers, The Prince of Winterfell
    7.5 : The Night Lands (Weakest Episode of the Series)

    Season 3 (8.70)

    9.5 : The Rains of Castamere, Kissed By Fire, And Now His Watch is Ended
    9 : Second Sons
    8.5 : Walk of Punishment, The Climb, Mhysa
    8 : Valar Dohaeris, Dark Wings, Dark Words, The Bear and The Maiden Fair

    Season 4 (9.14 so far. I predict a 10 for The Children and TMATV and a 9.5 for Episode 9)

    9.5 : The Lion and The Rose, The Laws of Gods and Men, Mockingbird
    9 : Two Swords, Breaker of Chains, Oathkeeper
    8.5 : First of His Name

  312. oracle86
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Has anyone seen the promo for episode 8?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T8UqFUxqFA

    There’s a scene in which Sansa tells the Lords Declarant, “Lord Baelish has told many lies, I have to tell the truth”. Is that from the books?

  313. B
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    hinesy24,

    So I agree completely with this:

    Daemon – The Lannisters didn’t tell him to decapitate his horse and try to murder Loras Tyrell in front of a crowd that should have been thousands. I can’t picture v3.0 doing that. When he’s killing in this episode, he has the coldness of a psychopath down, but the anger and the rage is missing and I hope that returns next episode.

    Plus I thought the same as someone else here that Podrick looks like Gendry too.

  314. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Winterhellion,

    She wasn’t angry with him though until he got up and started yelling and overreacting. She even has a tiny smile on her face when he first knocks it over.

  315. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    On the rewatch i enjoy all scenes apart from the first arya scene with that nothing speech and the bad send off of rorge and biter. Why introduce them just to kill them off in like 5 seconds.
    Really enjoy tyrion and oberyn and all of sansas scenes. Dont like the ‘your sister’ but ill get over it.
    I liked that hot pie came back!
    Everyone hatin on dragonstone, but i dont mind it (not just because of boobs), i quite like selyse. But the last 15 mins were my favourite and it’s definitely the best of the season so far

  316. Hodorkovsky
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    gewa76,

    True. There’s still time :)

    Or maybe it was mentioned in a scene that was eventually cut?

    If deliberate, however, I have a hard time seeing why. The RV moniker would presumably be easier to remember for the casual viewer than Prince Oberyn.

  317. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    oracle86,

    Looks like Sansa just threw Petyr under the bus LOL. That wasn’t in the books but it got me all curious, let Petyr flyyyy.

  318. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    The Mountain scene was just more gratuitous violence against men not from the books. I should expect many angry blog rants and condemnation towards the show about all the violence towards men especially since so much of it is not from the books right?

  319. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    selfie,

    Gregor Clegane is not a sellsword. Unlike the Hound, Gregor is an anointed knight and a member of Joffrey’s Kingsguard. Otherwise, he could not fight for the crown in the trial by combat.

  320. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Ser Dosser,

    They said this season would be the most action packed, but so far it has been the slowest of them all and overall boring.

    Well it has been the most action packed season yet but if your more interested in action instead of a good story this isn’t the type of show you should be watching.

  321. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Only Cat:
    Ser Pounce,

    No I think it’s totally unfair when someone questions a minor change in your favorite show and is immediately labelled as a tear shedding purist.

    I commend you for not “whining” about changes in the show, you should really get a medal or something.

    That doesn’t change the fact you’re only substituting it for whining about the peoplewho are actually “whining” about the changes which is almost as bad if not worse — I am allowed to have an opinion

    You’re getting singled out because you’ve been complaining about it for more than 12 hours now. Everyone else who didn’t like the change made one or two comments and got over it.

    You haven’t even mentioned a single other thing about the episode. You have just been whining about this one thing the whole time.

    Yes, you have the right to complain for endless hours. The rest of us have the right to point out that you’re throwing a Sweet Robin style tantrum.

  322. CJ
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Harrold Hardyng:
    although with this being undoubtedly the weakest season so far

    Seriously? This has easily been the most entertaining season IMO. Yes the show has taken its own liberties in some regard but they have to unless you don’t want to see Bran, Theon and Davos at all next season.

    It’s easily better than seasons 2 and 3 thus far.

  323. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Well I guess if it was a bunch of women The Mountain was hacking up this whole thread would have been flooded by hordes of angry Dothraki (Feminist) Screamers.

  324. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    René,

    But so very enticing!

  325. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    Looks like Sansa just threw Petyr under the bus LOL. That wasn’t in the books but it got me all curious, let Petyr flyyyy.

    I believe Sansa is just starting to learn how to play the game. There’s no way she is throwing smoochy under the bus……yet.

  326. Only Cat
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    For twelve hours? I’ve visited this site for an hour after the show aired and when I woke up. Do you really think I’ve been sitting on this site for 12 hours?? Get a grip

    I’m glad you read all my posts though and couldn’t even comprehend the fact that this is minor change to me. The thing I care about is D&D insulting the audience’s intelligence numerous times over the show now. But go ahead keep thinking I’m throwing a tantrum over this. Whatever floats your boat.

  327. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce,

    I’ve been thinking recently about how many female characters have died on screen and up till this recent episode I have counted 5. That’s it 5, but maybe I’ve missed some but either way imagine trying to count all the male characters who been killed, often in very brutal ways. There has been a bunch of articles recently about all the apparent violence towards woman in this show but yet when you actually analyze it least 95%(probably more) of all the murder, brutality, dismemberments, and torture are directed towards men.

  328. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce: Well I guess if it was a bunch of women The Mountain was hacking up this whole thread would have been flooded by hordes of angry Dothraki (Feminist) Screamers.

    “Paranoid anti-feminist” is not a good look for you, Pounce.

  329. Daniellica
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Nathanyel: Mel is using the old “I’ve been playing them all, except you. You’re too clever for that” deception.

    This was my thought exactly. Mel’s nudity and the ease with which she bares it obviously made Selyse uncomfortable, thus more vulnerable, thus more receptive to Mel’s manipulations–you are too smart, too clever, too devout to be fooled by such tricks, “You don’t need me, but I need you,” etc. Though I do agree Shireen is, at the least, a bargaining chip–the only heir to the man vying to be king of Westeros.

    Rygar: I may have been a bit drunk, but I was kind of hoping that Mel would have asked Selyse to rub some lotion on her…..

    It puts the lotion in the basket or else it gets the hose again.

    lagos of skagos: AreaStark: Ok see, this is a public forum, I don’t think it is very nice to be posting insider jokes on here. I mean, nobody will understand it if you just post an inside joke you have with a few friends, right? :) So I think it would be a good idea to just not do that, don’t you agree? :)
    yes , you are right and i do apologise . this is not the arya for that sort of thing. sorry.

    Cracking. Me. Up.

    The Mountain also looks strange to me–would growing a beard not have solved much of this problem? Ah well, too late for this now.

    Regarding the Kiss, it struck me that Sansa was too shocked to do anything for a moment more than that it was in any way consensual. She does push him away, and the look on her face says it all. I also thought they might try to blame it on Robert/Robin.

    The only reason I was expecting “Only Cat” is because that is how we refer to the scene in discussion. The change jolted me for a moment simply because I was expecting the other, but it makes sense to me. As others have said, “your sister” means the same thing as “only Cat” and removes any possible confusion. I don’t think it’s condescending. Names have been a problem/struggle for viewers since the beginning. There are simply SO many characters on this show, many of whom have names unfamiliar to most viewers.

    It is a lot easier to read the books and keep the names straight because of the way our brains process and store information while we read versus when we are listening to people speak, especially in a story this dense with persons of varying importance wherein an Unsullied might not know what/who is important in what’s to come. The brain prioritizes information and holds more closely to that which we feel will be of more use later on.

    I wouldn’t doubt if D&D had some Unsullied to run their scripts past, either HBO people or friends/family, to see if certain things make sense to those who haven’t read the books as many times as they have. They made the mistake in the original pilot of not making clear that Jamie and Cercei were brother and sister, not to mention twins. They’d need some damned impressive dissociative powers to step back and view their work with an Unsullied’s gaze at this point, so I’d wager they employ some assistance. Hence, “Your sister.”

    Anyone else notice that Sansa stopped styling her hair in KL fashion? She’s consistently styled her hair depending upon her surroundings, which I think speaks to the part of the game she knows instinctively–to blend into atmosphere, become part of your surroundings, don’t give others cause to question. Wherever they pin Lysa’s death, I think the most important part of that scene (aside from removing Aunty Loon) is binding Sansa closer to Petyr–they share a dangerous secret now, a chip Sansa might one day be able and willing to play.

  330. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    hinesy24,

    Possible Sam is crying on Jon’s behalf? (I’m trying to spoiler this but I’m just getting bolded.)

    OK, it worked. But it doesn’t look spoilered in the preview. Confusing.

  331. Carne
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    It was rather clumsily edited together. Looked sped up as well.

  332. Daniellica
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Someone mentioned Dany’s booblessness above–I’ve heard she’s a “serious actress” now and will no longer take her clothes off. I was not aware that nipples in any way affected one’s ability to act, but wtf do I know? :)

  333. ReadJunk
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    think some of you will enjoy this. littlefinger pushing Wile E Coyote haha
    https://31.media.tumblr.com/a60fc0f86076352ecef88bac0dd2cc12/tumblr_n5tu08pyo01rq3i3ro1_400.gif

  334. JohnnySD
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Harrold Hardyng:
    Best episode of the season, although with this being undoubtedly the weakest season so far that itself isn’t saying much. I enjoyed most of the scenes. The writers have made a lot of questionable decisions this season but I can only think of one from tonight’s episode. Brienne saying Sansa’s name aloud to a stranger was stupid of her to do. Even tv show Brienne would know better.

    Oberyn is a bad ass. It was refreshing to see some book scenes for a change. Not upset about the “only Cat” change. The change makes no difference to me but I bet D&D were catering to the fans who wouldn’t know Cat means Catelyn Stark and wouldn’t know their ass from their elbow. I would like the show to reward astute viewers over accommodating viewers who don’t pay attention but small changes or changes that at least make sense and keep the story moving forward are fine with me.

    Pumped for Oberyn vs The Mountain. Sorta lost my excitement for the battle at the wall since the build up has been lacking. We’ve had about 3 minutes of the Wildlings this season.. It looks like we will not see Mance until the battle. Would’ve been better to show Mance and his army preparing than all the wasted Craster’s Keep garbage.

    Good episode overall, Bronn/Tyrion, Oberyn/Tyrion and the Eyrie scenes were great.

    Interesting. I think it is easily the best season so far.

  335. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Roger König,

    That I like, as long as they don’t turn him into the genuine hero that Donal Noye was. I hate Thorne more than I hate Slynt.

  336. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    freoduwebbe: hahahah
    I had the same thought… that the Hound was going to have one hell of a scar with her stitching..

    Scars are probably the least of the Hound’s concerns. :)

    I was hoping he would let her use the firestick to help sanitize the wound, but the scene (even with the Biter/Rorge weakness) was decent, especially since the Hound knows that he is on Arya’s hit list. Did anyone note the similarity between that scene and the Brienne/Pod armor scene a few episodes before?

    “Nothing is just nothing.” – the ever eloquent Arya must be familiar with the works of Shakespeare, Lucretius, Parmenides, or Monty Python (“Always look on the bright side of life”)…

  337. Connie
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    I, for one, was glad they didn’t bring up Lollys’s rape-baby from the riots as the reason for her marrying Bronn. It was nice to NOT have rape mentioned, even if it was book legit.

    Also: DAMN, the Mountain!! THAT is the right kind of actor to play him. Giant, brutal, and you believe he and one-hand a bastard sword easily. I hope they keep him around. As Robert Strong, even if it’s with a helmet on the entire time.

  338. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Daniellica:
    Someone mentioned Dany’s booblessness above–I’ve heard she’s a “serious actress” now and will no longer take her clothes off. I was not aware that nipples in any way affected one’s ability to act, but wtf do I know? :)

    I still have my hopes that Dany will wear her Meereenese outfit from the books. You know the one that has one of her boobies sticking out. I wonder if Podrick will ever tell Brienne that he is a sex god.

  339. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    Being a psychopath keeps you young.

  340. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    This is really stupid, but does anyone else think the fourth picture Biter’s saying, “Come on, Sandor, let your uncle Biter give you a kiss. Mmu, mmu, mmu, mmu, mmu” ?

    Well, he would if he still had a tongue.

  341. Carne
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    I wonder if Gregor’s voice was dubbed. Sounded like the guy who dubbed Whyte in season 2, and Bjornsson has a strong Icelandic accent.

  342. Justin
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    The Hot Pie encounter was really interesting. I think they might be cutting out a lot of Brienne’s wandering in Book 4, since she now has a distinct destination in mind, especially since Rorge/Biter were killed by the Hound and not Brienne. I wouldn’t be surprised if they move up her encounter with a certain silent lady and have that be her introduction in the finale instead of killing random Freys.

    The Tyrion scenes were all amazing with some great foreshadowing of the end of the season for his character. Also loved the Eyrie, even with the dialogue change, though it did seem very rushed in reintroducing and bumping off Lysa in the span of a couple of episodes. Wasn’t sure if that carried as much weight as it did in the books.

  343. Hodorkovsky
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Daniellica:They made the mistake in the original pilot of not making clear that Jamie and Cercei were brother and sister, not to mention twins. They’d need some damned impressive dissociative powers to step back and view their work with an Unsullied’s gaze at this point, so I’d wager they employ some assistance. Hence, “Your sister.”

    Good point!

  344. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    True. I rushed my posts as I was late for my rape.

    I agree that Only Cat is better than Your Sister, but I also realize that its the same person LF is speaking about so it doesn’t change anything.

  345. The Pointy End
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    My big question was how they are going to handle Lysa’s flight now that there’s no bard to blame it on. Someone in here wrote they were going to blame Robyn, probably makes some sense though we will have to wait and see. So the descent is out then…
    Second, it is known that Hot Pie does not know that Arya is with the Hound, but no biggie. In homeland they capture hippy Brody, in the flashbacks he is clean – cut and everything.

    This was an example of how you spoil two shows in one post. Brilliant, huh?

    I’ve read the books twice, and I must say once more changes in the adaptation DO NOT bother me at all. He didn’t say “only Cat”. But the outcome is exactly the same. There. Story NOT destroyed, on the contrary! These guys are trying to stay as loyal to the original as possible. Did it cross anyone’s mind that maybe GRRM is on board with the changes?

    They will introduce Oberyn’s nickname next episode. It will add to his worrior value and bring more contrast, like the neat little scene with the hand stabbing. Will also add to his “poisonous” side. Someone will definitely explain this!

    Overall great season once again, great episodes, nothing to complain about unless you are not having so much fun in life in general.

  346. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    When did they not make it clear that Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister in the pilot? I think they reference it 2-3 times before he’s taking her from behind.

  347. CarlosDanger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    I loved the “your sister” change. I thought it made the murder much more personal. The only thing that could have made it better was if LF had grabbed her and thrown her out the door instead of giving her a wussy little shove.

  348. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Did I accidently wander into the men’s rights sub reddit?

    The reason depictions of sexual violence against women is upsetting for people is that it’s something that happens every day in every country. It’s something that has personally affected a lot of people.

    How often do you see a huge man casually killing several dudes with a sword?

    It’s not misandry (which isn’t really a thing). It’s context.

  349. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Carne: I wonder if Gregor’s voice was dubbed. Sounded like the guy who dubbed Whyte in season 2, and Bjornsson has a strong Icelandic accent.

    I was wondering that too. He seemed to stammer a lot in the interview I watched with him in it. It’ll be interesting to hear his dialogue next week.

  350. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    This is the same argument I make when people discuss the atrocities of rape in a fictional setting with dragons, zombies, and yes, huge bearish men swinging swords running amok.

    And no that last bit was not a 70s gay porn reference.

  351. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    all in all another very good episode, the series is definitely picked up (like I expected given most of the good content being saved up till then)
    most scenes were strong, but i liked all of tyrions scenes, each one got progressively better in my opinion. The Hound and Arya scenes were quite good also. Good to see old faces pop up again, the mountain (looks awesome for the part, although again its quite obvious he was deliberately given a lack of dialogue) and Hot Pie, particularly since that was an unexpected one. Am I the only one who thinks that Brienne and Pod are starting to sound like a team of detectives?
    The Eyrie scenes were the highlight. They kept it fairly close to the book, it was constantly creepy/tense, and I loved the ‘only cat’ moment ,even if they didnt actually use those words, its not ideal, but its like the ‘lannisters sends their regards’ in S3 rather than ‘jaime lannister’ it means more or less the same thing, and if its said the other way it could confuse the unsullied so overall it was probably the right decision. If LF had said ‘only Cat’ people who didnt know who he was referring to, a good proportion of the unsullied (though probably not most i’d expect) would be really confused. Plus, if he said ‘only cat’ imagine how many memes that would spawn haha.
    There were a few other subtle changes as well, but most were very subtle, like Ser Aliser ordering the barrels of pitch to be taken to the top of the wall, showing us he is doing donal noye’s plan instead. Which I guess thats fine, no one said being an arsehole couldnt make you a good tactician, just, as others have said, as long as he doesnt become a proper hero. I think there is a good chance he will die anyway. He is shown fighting tormund in the featurette’s and Tormund has to survive (or probably will) Aliser doesnt (like a lot of the rest of the NW this season)
    Also, anyone else noticing Oberyn saying his father took him to Casterly Rock, not his mother, implying it was him who ruled Dorne in the show not his mother. I wouldnt say that means they are cutting the whole Dornish law aspect of it, just refraining from explaining it in a scene which revolves around something important. But who knows, they could be keeping their options open still about that?

  352. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Sorry meant yes, it was not. :)

  353. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Really satisfying episode, especially after a rewatch.

    Pros
    - Hound/Arya w/old dying man & Hound/Arya by the campfire
    - Sansa snow castle, Sweetrobin smackdown and awkward Sansafinger smooch
    - Sansa/Lysa
    - Hot Pie!
    - Tyrion/Bronn & Tyrion/Jaime
    - Oberyn/Tyrion and baby story
    - Jon vs Alliser spat (Alliser is going down!)
    - Daario getting an adventure in the sack and an adventure to Yunkai w/the Second Sons
    - Dany’s “morning-after” outfit
    - Dany-Jorah (respect)
    - Shireen mystery & Selyse’s subservience to Mel during her annual obligatory nude scene
    - Trailer for next episode

    Cons
    - Hound/Arya w/Biter-Rorge (easiest kill ever)
    - Mountain slaughtering sheepmen (He needs to practice? Why couldn’t he be at a local inn causing mayhem?)
    - Ghost disparaged again (#nodirewolfrespect)
    - At least we got 2 “Only…” phrases…but wanted a third. I also hoped that the last shot would be of Sansa’s horror-stricken face (maybe even a bit of glee?) as she watches Lysa fall.
    - No RV explanation

    Finally, regarding the Mel/Selyse scene, I felt the scene should have come before Stannis/Davos left for Braavos. There is already a serious timeline issue with getting to the Wall but having Stannis/Davos go to Braavos and back before the trek north is really stretching it. Get out of Dragonstone already! :)

  354. Strider
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar:
    2) “Your sister” was bad enough, but the CGI was shitty

    First: just when I thought your Mads quote cannot get any better you go with the Iron Man’s speech to Loki. I can’t even!!! THE FEELS!!! lol

    As for “only Cat”. Aww, like Phil upthread said, I said it to myself and thought it and Petyr Baelish goes and does voiceover me in my own damn living-room: “only… Your sister”! Isn’t that something! Upstaged and oudone by the show.

    Now let me feel that giant Sansa-slap… Nope, not feeling it. A tall talker if I ever read one.

    Odd episode at times, but I did love the Tyrion scenes, like many other over here: Bronn/Tyrion was emotional and while he likes himself more, the sellsword makes it a point to stand by the Imp at least in sentiment. Jaime/ Tyrion was just as moving and I simply adored how they both stood together for a moment in their rebellious talk about taking the Lannister line out of the equation for the future, just to spite Tywin. As for Oberyn/ Tyrion: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! HA! I won’t fangirl. I would be ridiculous.

  355. Sunfyre
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Daniellica,

    When did they not make it clear that Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister in the pilot? I think they reference it 2-3 times before he’s taking her from behind.

    D&D have told this story multiple times in interviews and in the commentary track for episode 1 i believe. When they first showed the pilot to people unfamiliar with the books many had no idea that jaime and cersei were brother and sister. so they overcompensated by repeating it in dialogue/ADR again and again. Just a good reminder that unsullied viewers must be taken into account — this is a massive story with so many storylines, locations, character names, tangled allegiances, etc. We need to cut D&D some slack, we are not their only audience — we’re in fact the minority.

  356. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,
    People have been saying Emilia won’t do nudity anymore ever since season 2, it’s always been a false rumor. There was a casting call for naked extras to supposedly be featured in a bathing scene with Emilia this season. My theory is that Jorah will spy on Dany as she is bathing and that will lead to the kiss. At least that’s what I’m hoping, it would be a shame not to have any naked Khaleesi in Game of Thrones best season yet.

  357. NoPuristsAllowed
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Only Cat: Only Cat

    It was deliberately changed to piss you off and ruin your life. You should feel honored!

  358. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I’m fine with the Dany and Daario tease (and especially with Dany’s “morning after” outfit). However, it’s Missandei’s time to shine soon!

  359. Valaquen
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Daniellica,

    When did they not make it clear that Jaime and Cersei were brother and sister in the pilot? I think they reference it 2-3 times before he’s taking her from behind.

    She means the first pilot that was shot, with different actors as Dany and Catelyn. When they reshot the episode they filled in those blanks and worked around old footage.

  360. NoPuristsAllowed
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Only Cat: Only Cat

    Valyrian Eyes: Only Cat

    I’ve decided to just let King Stannis push them out the moon door instead.

  361. Aphrodite
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Clob,

    I agree, changing the line from “Only Cat” to “Your sister” to me is no big deal. The impact is not lessened at all. I read somewhere that the line Oberon used about being Tyrion’s champion was tweaked and I think I would have liked the original line better. Also I would have liked to have seen some of the scene between Dany and Daario. It is hard to see the chemistry between the two of them. I assume the plan is to get them involved, I don’t know. But if that is the case, it is hard to see those two connected if the action is all off screen.

  362. NoPuristsAllowed
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Only Cat:
    Ser Pounce,

    Who are you to tell me what is and isn’t a classic ASOIAF line?????????????? A little pompous don’t you think?

    “Your purists tears taste so sweet.” — How old are you man? Little weird you’re getting off to supposed “purists” crying. Which is funny because even if you like the episode as a whole butwhen you question one little change with the show you are a purist.

    I dont see anyone calling out OiTFfor this —”Your sister.” – Yes, this is a major nitpick and it will not ruin this scene at all for me. But I just don’t see the point in changing the quote from “Only Cat” to “Your sister.” It’s not like the audience doesn’t know who Cat or Catelyn is anymore.

    These are my feelings about the scene but of course I’m a dirty purist who hates the show.

    Grow the fuck up people are allowed to disagree with your favorite show

    Of coure you’re “allowed” to criticize the show. I don’t seen anybody trying to stop you. You, OTOH, don’t appear to be able to handle people criticizing your criticisms. Like you have some right to have people admire your opinion without saying anything about it.

  363. Ed
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    There is SO little in life that we can be sure of, but one thing I AM sure about, is that he will be saying those lines!

    Arthur:
    Venger,

    Me too!

    I hope Oberyn says his lines during the duel!I don’t know if I am going to be able to remain seated while watching that scene!!!

  364. The Loon
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    to those bothered by the “Only Cat” omission…you do remember this is a show where the majority of show only watchers think Dany’s first name is Khaleesi right?

  365. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Ozymandias:
    Season 1 (8.80)

    9.5 : Baelor, A Golden Crown, You Win or You Die
    9 : The Wolf and The Lion, The Pointy End, Fire and Blood
    8.5 : Winter is Coming
    8 : The Kingsroad, Lord Snow, Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things.

    Season 2 (8.65)

    10/10 : Blackwater
    9.5 : The Old Gods and the New
    9 : What is Dead May Never Die, Valar Morghulis
    8.5 : Garden of Bones, A Man Without Honor, The Ghost of Harrenhal
    8 : The North Remembers, The Prince of Winterfell
    7.5 : The Night Lands (Weakest Episode of the Series)

    Season 3 (8.70)

    9.5 : The Rains of Castamere, Kissed By Fire, And Now His Watch is Ended
    9 : Second Sons
    8.5 : Walk of Punishment, The Climb, Mhysa
    8 : Valar Dohaeris, Dark Wings, Dark Words, The Bear and The Maiden Fair

    Season 4 (9.14 so far. I predict a 10 for The Children and TMATV and a 9.5 for Episode 9)

    9.5 : The Lion and The Rose, The Laws of Gods and Men, Mockingbird
    9 : Two Swords, Breaker of Chains, Oathkeeper
    8.5 : First of His Name

    Using this template, which I like…

    Season 1: (Average 9)
    10 – Fire and Blood (I think that episode is ridiculously great)
    9.5 – Baelor, A Golden Crown
    9 – The Pointy End, You Win Or You Die, The Wolf and the Lion, Winter Is Coming
    8.5 – Cripples, Bastards & Broken Things, Lord Snow
    8 – The Kingsroad

    Season 2: (8.75)
    10 – Blackwater
    9.5 – Valar Morghulis, What Is Dead May Never Die
    9 – The Prince of Winterfell, A Man Without Honor
    8.5 – The Ghost of Harrenhall, The North Remembers
    8 – Garden of Bones, The Old Gods and the New
    7.5 – The Night Lands

    Season 3: (8.7 average)
    9.5 – The Rains of Castamere, Kissed by Fire, And Now His Watch Is Ended
    9 – Walk of Punishment, Second Sons
    8.5 – Mhysa, The Climb
    8 – Valar Dohaeris, Dark Wings, Dark Words
    7.5 – The Bear and the Maiden Fair

    Season 4: (9.07 avg so far)
    9.5 – The Lion and the Rose, Mockingbird, The Laws of Gods and Men
    9 – Two Swords, Oathkeeper, First of His Name
    8 – Breaker of Chains

  366. Tom
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    do you think that’s all that’s going to happen in the episode?
    if I recall, Tommen and Margaery were married by the trial. With so much commotion it would hardly be noticed, which I think is the point.
    I dont think they would have teased the other weddings without following through this season.

  367. Rygar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Valaquen,

    Ah OK thanks

  368. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m copying and pasting this tweet from AngryGOTfan because it cracked me up and everyone should see it.

    LYSA SCREAMED FALLING INSTEAD OF BEING SILENT SO I PUSHED A OLD WOMEN OFF A ROOF!!!! #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS

  369. Ozymandias
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Nice ! :)

    Someone Else ? It’s interesting to know what people think about this season compared to the others.

  370. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Tom,

    I just don’t think them getting married is important to the plot of the season. We are at the strongest point of the entire series(the final part of ASOS) and there is not time to have a quick wedding for Tommen-Margaery, let alone Cersei-Loras(which is not going to happen).

  371. Annah
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    The one thing that really bothered me about the Lysa/Petyr scene was the lack of the singer, Marillion. I’m curious who Petry will be framing now.

  372. ANiceChianti
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Shireen is the stone dragon.

  373. Nicolai Hansen
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I don’t think it will change anything. LS would still have her revenge.

  374. Dogs
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    What are you guys talking about, CGI in the “Your Sister” scene? The problem with that scene isn’t CGI, it’s the way she falls into the door, just kind of weirdly holding her arms out and O-mouth screaming. Once she’s out the door and falling through the air and her body is computer-generated, it’s fine.

  375. Veltigar
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Strider: First: just when I thought your Mads quote cannot get any better you go with the Iron Man’s speech to Loki. I can’t even!!! THE FEELS!!! lol

    Glad you liked it :D

    I agree with you on the Tyrion scenes, they were superb and very well done :) I did feel that the scene with Oberyn stopped a bit abruptly though, I was hoping for an invitation to go to Dorne.

    Mr. Darcy: Miss Elizabeth. I have struggled in vain and I can bear it no longer. These past months have been a torment. I came to Rosings with the single object of Casting Mads Mikkelsen as Euron… I had to tell you. I have fought against my better judgment, my family’s expectations, the inferiority of your birth by rank and circumstance. All these things I am willing to put aside and ask you to end my agony and cast Mads Mikkelsen as Euron.

  376. shaun
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    With a massive story with so many characters it was a good idea to use “your sister” vs the nickname hardly used in the tv show. Just as it would be confusing to have people refer to ned stark as Eddard Stark. Keeping it easier for the majority of show watchers is the way to go. Great episode

  377. Trilambdas
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    ANiceChianti,

    I’m thinking that too or an unsullied suggested this last night, that she will be a dragon rider!. Not a bad thought! Also, I love how the show is practically current with ADwD material, because that leads me to hope that after the finale we will get the official announcement that Winds of Winter is done and will be available in time for Christmas!! George can write fast when he knows what he wants and now that the knot was solved, I genuinely think that he is almost done. Think about the first 3 books and how (relatively) quickly he punched those out!

  378. Daniellica
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    I suggested upthread that the new Mountain grow a beard to help his face, and on rewatch realized he HAS a beard. Seven hells, that’s that, then.

    As far as the Rorge/Biter scene, I assumed Rorge thought it was really not a good idea to attack the Hound, and he lowered his sword after seeing how quickly Sandor dispatched Biter.

    I love Bronn wearing a cape–they add these little touches for the astute viewer (like the “Winterhell” comment as well) and they’re so rewarding. And seeing such vulnerability from the Hound…oohhhh I totally adore him.

    People confused about the Hotpie/Arya&Hound bit–they captured the Hound and brought him into the inn where Hotpie stayed behind, then the Brotherhood rode off with Arya and the Hound both. Hotpie didn’t tell Brienne that Arya and the Hound are wandering around together, just that the Brotherhood had them both and was going to ransom Arya to her uncle in Riverrun, which is exactly what Hotpie witnessed.

  379. Winterhellion
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    The Loon:
    to those bothered by the “Only Cat” omission…you do remember this is a show where the majority of show only watchers think Dany’s first name is Khaleesi right?

    Majority: My sweet silly jealous story, I’ve only loved one version, I promise you.

    Books: Only one? Oh, Majority, do you swear it? Only one?

    Majority: Only Show.

    ***

    Anyway, this particular change didn’t really bother me. Not like the ‘whar mah draggins’ thing in season 2 or the ‘ermahgerd mutineer snitches’ earlier in this season. I was more bothered by the moon door being a hole in the floor. Why would one refer to a hole in the floor as a ‘moon’ door?

  380. Dragons125
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Can we get more Daario scenes like that please!? ;) I enjoyed that view… Also loved the Tyrion/Oberyn scene… so much conveyed with the look on Peter’s face, and Pedro is so good as well.

  381. Hodor
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Harrold Hardyng,

    Well, I think this season is, so far, the strongest. And considering what is coming, last thre episodes are going to be the best ones of entire series.

  382. Gatehouse ami
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Hot pie!
    Winterhell!
    Wolf bread!

  383. tabes
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    What about Nymeria??? Is anyone else concerned at the lack of mentioning Nymeria and her pack of wolves picking people off in the riverlands? Seems like they should have added that in somehow. Are they going to scrap the whole Nymeria thing? Gods I hope not, someone please please please put my mind at ease with this.

  384. House Mormont
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Just watched it and I have one itch I can’t scratch

    …The snowcastle scene was like a soap opera

    “robin kicks castle, robin runs out, littlefinger enters, little finger and sansa kiss, camera pans to lysa with a creepy violin note added”

    “move scene to lysa trying to kill sansa”

    idk I think there’s always a big risk with crazy 1 dimensional over-the-top characters like Lysa and Robin that every scene they do is at risk of looking like a bad American soap opera

    The rest was solid. Too many storylines though. The Oberyn/Tyrion scene was sooooooooooo good, good enough to be an episode ender on its own tbh. LOVED the Arya and the Hound scenes. Loved Hot Pie. Loved Dany’s scenes.

    HATED BRIENNE GOING “UHHHHHHH… YOU WERE SAYING????” like wtf was that

    And loooooved my theory on Melisandre burning Shireen getting hinted at. I mean there’s a prophecy in the book told by the Ghost of High Heart that talks about the flames engulfing the stag and everyone was like “oh it’s about the shadow killing Renly” but I always thought it was Mel and Shireen

  385. jentario
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    I agree! Best transitional episode this show ever had. The snow castle was great and I think “your sister” was nearly as good as “Only Cat” (although I definitely agree it’s a descision that underestimates the viewers and in general is wrong)- but as I said, the impact of the scene was hardly diminished. Tyrion and Oberyn (and Bronn and Jamie) were all great, of course. The Hot Pie cameo was awesome, Arya and the Hound’s second scene (though I think the first was awkward). Dany’s scenes were alright, they set up the love triangle (and I guess that’s the whole point of those scenes). The Mountain is great, I only wish he looked a bit older than his brother. What else? Nevermind, this episode is (nearly) as good as a transitional one can get.

    And it’s our last break before the triple bang of the last three episodes. Still no mention of Stoneheart. Hopefully this element won’t just come out of nowhere…

  386. House Mormont
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Just to clarify I don’t think the fact the scene played like a melodramatic soap opera was the show’s fault, it was like that in the books, it just isn’t so ridiculous on paper, Lysa’s 1D character isn’t as ridiculous when it’s in a book.

    But maybe if they didn’t do the “pan over to Lysa while they kiss with a high violin note” and instead had Sansa walk away from the kiss, and have a guard tell her Lysa wants to see her.. instead of showing her watching

  387. Easteros bunny
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    “Only cat”

    That is a line that wouldn’t work on screen. Lysa would have to say something for little finger to then say “only cat”

    Get over it.

    The scene with Sansa and the snow castle was something I’ve been looking forward to since I read that scene. To hear the winter fell theme again was heartbreaking.

    The only problem I have was with the scene with stannis’s wife and melisandra, why was she naked? Cause she was in the tub? She didn’t need to stand in front of the shelf for five minutes in the nip.

    Did dany bonk dario? That would be the first time in the shows history they didn’t show a sex scene.

  388. Cerseislittlehelper
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    mal,

    “Everything about the new daario is wrong”
    Are you kidding? He’s amazing as daario. I’m getting wet just thinking about him

  389. jentario
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I think it was fine. The alternative of no snow castle at all would have sucked (it’s an important scene for Sansa). I still think they could have given Sansa a whole monologue there in front of Littlefinger about that memory of the snowball fight in Winterfell from her childhood and how they’re all gone but her, but at least she mentioned that Winterfell is in ruins. And they went full creep with Baelish- what Aiden Gillen said in his interviews about the Littlefinger-Sansa relationship being a father-daughter one is seeming more and more like a troll as the time passes. Lol

  390. tabes
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    I don’t like the new Mountain either. He looks way too young, why not at least make an attempt to age that guy? That scene really bothered me, just didn’t feel right. Very un-Mountain like.

  391. House Mormont
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I guess I just have very high standards and I expect there to just not be any 1 dimensional characters since they fixed Cersei, Shae, Ygritte, Jorah etc, Lysa’s scenes this season have just really pulled me out from believing in it

  392. wizardeyes
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I don’t think it was implied that Stannis and Davos would be coming back to Dragonstone – I think the idea is for Mel, Selyse and Shireen to go and join them.

    An idea on how Bronn could stay in the show – he could join Jaime in the Riverlands. Bronn could spend a bit of time away (the rest of season 4) and in this time he knocks up Lollys (as in the show theres no mention of her being pregnant already). In FFC Jaime picks the men he wants to take on tour with him like Marq Piper – in the show he could pick Bronn as one of the people he wants to come then they could continue their swordfighting.

  393. Daniellica
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry, but how is Lysa one-dimensional? Yes, she’s a total neurotic mess of insecurity and paranoia, but those feelings have sources. She’s the youngest child of a major house, so her prospects are automatically not going to be as promising as Cat and Edmure. As a young girl she falls in love with the young boy who’s a ward of her father’s, but sadly that young boy has (predictably) fallen for her older, more beautiful, more charming, more promising sister. I think she’s seen her whole life as a reflection against what Cat accomplished, and has always been trying to compete with her. She thought she “won” when she got Petyr into bed, but instead she got him sent away and herself either a prescription for Moon Tea or an illegitimate child sent away at birth (I always took it to be the latter outcome, though many refer to the former, so maybe I keep reading it wrong).

    She’s then married to a man old enough to be her father who has no real interest in her, living in a viper’s pit of a city surrounded by people like Jamie and Cercei who no doubt had nothing but disdain for her. And why? She is the daughter of a major lord wed to another major lord. She is the Lady of the Vale, but she still is not good enough. But (she thinks) she has Petyr, the only one who’s ever made her feel worth something, made her feel special. And she has her son, her very own human being to shape and mold and control the way she has never been able to shape or mold or control anything…until she helps kill her husband and start her sister on the path to destruction.

    Then they were about to ship off her son to one of two cold, haughty lords, and she is certain they want to take him away the way they took her first child, and she runs. And the world erupts in war, with her sister at the heart of it, so she seals herself away to the place she has the most control she’s ever had, the Eyrie without her late husband and the son she’s crafted into the intolerable wretch that he is. Of course she is going to be suspicious and jealous and afraid at having Sansa around, a much younger girl who represents the rivalry she felt with Cat, yet another tie between herself and Petyr, and she can’t stand it. But…if she can exercise her control over Sansa, it is almost as good as if she were Cat herself.

    None of this is one-dimensional. One-dimensional characters don’t have the complex emotional reactions and involvements to people and things that Lysa had. Of course the show didn’t explain most of the above, but it is there, and we know it’s there, and even if you’re just watching you get the hints of it, her rivalry with Cat, the hurt and rejection she’s obviously felt in the past, the delicacy of a too-fragile psyche whose grip inevitably slips once she’s lost control. Not to mention watching her brand of crazy was such a freakin delight. RIP Lysa; I shall miss you!

  394. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    As we speculated during the pre-season, Bronn has indeed become Jaime’s secret sparring partner. But it also seems as if Cersei has procured his services as well. Does Cersei also know about his training with Jaime? I don’t know. What concerns me about this situation is what Jaime said to Tyrion in last night’s episode. He said he is not getting any better with his left hand. Does that indicate that their sparring is over and that Jaime is giving up on his re-training? I hope not…and I hope Bronn gets something important to do over the next few seasons.

    With each episode, Tyrion is steadily losing everyone in his inner circle. His “heart of darkness” journey has begun…

  395. House Mormont
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    yes she has a good back story, but I think the only time we get a glimpse of anything other than “I’M LYSA AND I’M BATSHIT CRAZY” is when she talks to Sansa about how awful it was being forced to marry Jon and his old person breath, but otherwise backstory is just backstory, and not who the character is now.

    I mean book Cersei has a tragic backstory, doesn’t stop her being hella transparent compared to the show version, especially in the later books

  396. zerowolf
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Ryan E,

    At least someone has got some sense around here. Most people I know who haven’t read the books get confused with character names. Watch the ‘Honest Trailer’ video on youtube – it sums it up perfectly..

  397. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,
    To be fair, after the last few weeks I think he has a point. The amount of posts along the lines of “How dare they show any violence towards women! We don’t care that they constantly show men being butchered, violence towards women is crossing the line!” has been ridiculous. Part of me is actually surprised that no one is calling the show/writers sexist for killing Lysa…

    Anyway, just some thoughts after rewatching the episode:
    - I believe that Daenerys mentioned ‘revenge killings’. I wonder if this is foreshadowing for the Sons of the Harpy plot. Or perhaps they are just keeping it in the background and glossing over that entire subplot, giving it no attention beyond casual mentions like this?
    - Regarding Jon and sealing the gate: After thinking about it I think it makes sense as a change. Letting wildlings man the castles and sealing the gates could work together nicely as far as protecting the Wall is concerned.

  398. WildSeed
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes:
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I don’t think it was implied that Stannis and Davos would be coming back to Dragonstone – I think the idea is for Mel, Selyse and Shireen to go and join them.

    An idea on how Bronn could stay in the show – he could join Jaime in the Riverlands. Bronn could spend a bit of time away (the rest of season 4) and in this time he knocks up Lollys (as in the show theres no mention of her being pregnant already). In FFC Jaime picks the men he wants to take on tour with him like Marq Piper – in the show he could pick Bronn as one of the people he wants to come then they could continue their swordfighting.

    Good points. I was wondering about the intent of the Selyse-Melisandre encounter, the dialogue may well point to what you mention in your comments.

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Also good points, however even with the lucky result of speculating Jaime’s sword sparring partner for tutoring duty, It remained difficult to fill in the blanks for Jaime’s tour northward. I’m still perplexed if the audience will likely see Edmure or RiverRun again, to say nothing of other events due soon. The memory of the last Blackfish scene has faded somewhat from my memory of screen events, similar to Mance.

    Daniellica,

    So true, my lady. The lady of the Eyrie proved psychotic as hell, but definitely one for carrying out the most delicate and devious plans. Cersei certainly manipulates all within her reach, but Lysa’s unyielding commitment to poisoned love traveled near and far. Poisoning Jon Arryn was the least of her tasks.

    ….Always enjoy reading your posts, they give me much to mull over, or word better something I’d wished to comment.

    The episode proved yet another strong demonstration for Game of Thrones receiving well deserved applause, and true contender for industry awards. This season had a lot to prove with revisions of the source material.
    So far , in my mind, the results are rated high.
    That said, I enjoyed the tweaks, including Hot Pocket. The brief nods to Lollys, Rorge, and Yarwick were a nice touch to hear, if awkwardly squeezed in. I’m sorry to say that I’m snoozing through the Castle Black scenes with Jon. As with all scenes, I’m sitting forward to learn fresh takes, but some others, like Gregor’s practice
    sessions , leave me non plussed. Of course he’s in good shape to fight. Unlike the long absence of Mance &
    Brynden Tully, where some in the audience may need some reminding, a villain like Gregor has offered several reports of his going strong. After a funky script to start the season, Oberyn’s character continues to impress. I’m truly grateful that the show has allowed portrayal of an intelligent, if brash, Oberyn Martell.

  399. WildSeed
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    just wanted to review my post to correct any sentence or spelling errors…….oh well. ) :

  400. Monica
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    One of the best episodes, yet!

    Oberyn & Tyrion, Sansa & snow Winterfell, and Lysa’s demise, all perfectly portrayed. I can understand the “Only Cat” disappointment, because it showed real intimacy when Littlefinger used her family nickname. Several people had posted that they were waiting for that line!

    I, too, miss fabulous Daario. He was supposed to be some kind of teenage girl’s fantasy, and a ridiculous choice for Dany. Where was the chemistry?

    Arya’s existential conversation seemed off base. It reminded me of a Monty Python routine.

    Finally, I’m waiting for Nymeria, too. Nymeria’s role brought us back to the first book and the importance of direwolves to Starks. Will we see her fishing Lady Stark out of the water, and the resurrection? Did D&D go for the shock value of the LS appearance, without the background story? That’s a much more serious omission than “Only Cat.”

    The constant battles and bloodletting get too repetitive without the scenes that bind us to the families.

  401. House Nieder
    Posted May 19, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    I stayed out of this thread because I knew that it would just be 500+ comments debating the “only cat” thing.

    I really had no preference but I agree with what someone else said above, I sort of forgot about “only cat” and would have been fine seeing anything as long as the scene played out well, but reading comments here all week got me stoked for “only cat” anyway. My point is, it’s nice to just sit back and enjoy the show instead of nitpick it all.

    That being said, my favorite scene of the books is the duel next episode and it’s my favorite in the books due much to Oberyn’s dialogue throughout the duel. “You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children.” That is one dialogue change I will have a legitimate gripe about.

    But I won’t complain about it for 12 hours.

  402. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    Monica,

    Nymeria is not happening. The time has passed for Lady Stoneheart’s resurrection, as it happened just days after the Red Wedding. I agree with D&D going for the shock value, just as it was in the books. Nobody had any clue that Cat would be resurrected when Nymeria pulled a woman out of the river, only that Arya found out that her mother was dead, and gave up the thought of rescuing her. Maisie has said she didn’t have any warging scenes and Bryan Cogman has pretty much confirmed that Bran is the only Stark who will have wolf dreams in the show.

  403. Daniellica
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    My only fear about the Oberyn dialogue during the duel is that it may be cut due to echoes of another famous fantasy duel. I can just hear the Unsullied shrieking, “What is this Princess Bride shit?” Though Inigo Montoya is a badass, and I could see Oberyn saying it at the beginning of the fight, it is the repetition that would conjure up Montoya the most. If I were writing this show, I wouldn’t want my audience thinking of Wesley and Buttercup at such a moment.

    Ah, speculation, you cruel temptress.

  404. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Inconceivable!

  405. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    They’ve played up Oberyn talking about what happened to Elia and her children enough that they will probably keep the lines in. I read somewhere that GRRM based the character after Inigo Montoya, though I’m not sure if it is fact. I think it would funny if Mandy Patinkin was cast as Doran Martell.

  406. Winterdark
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    No “Only Cat” makes perfect sense to me. Not once has Catelyn in the show been called Cat so that’s why that one-liner’s not there.

  407. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    ash,

    They should’ve included a supercut montage in the “Previously On” segment where we revisit every scene Catelyn is called “Cat”… and THEN had LF say “Only Cat”.

    Ok that would’ve made it hilarious hahaha

  408. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    Winterdark,

    Dude she’s been called Cat a ton of times, especially in Season 1…

  409. Sergei Walankov
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 5:14 am | Permalink

    I often hear book readers complaining about the “problem” of the Stark kid actors growing too old for their roles, for which I don’t generally have much sympathy – the “problem” amounts to no more than a mismatch between the story in their head and the one on the screen. However, for the first time since the scene in season two where Sansa has her first period, this episode contained a scene where it genuinely felt like a problem, namely the scene with Sansa and Robin. I am certain that this scene worked really well in the book, but watching a grown woman getting into a fight with an adolescent boy over a snow castle didn’t ring true at all. Also, for the second time this season (the first being the first scene between her and Dontos), I felt Sansa’s interaction with another character was misjudged. Her reaction to Robin would surely be one of intense distaste, so I really couldn’t see where her initial warm and friendly response to him was coming from.

    As for “only Cat”, obviously the line is so iconic in the book that many of you were sitting there with bated breath waiting for the payoff of hearing the line as you knew it. For the rest of us, it’s a fuss about nothing. GRRM could just as easily have said “your sister” rather than “Cat” in the book, and no one would have felt any differently for it.

  410. Jayne
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    I really wanted to like new Daario, as I’ve seen Huisman in other things & I know he’s a really good actor. But I don’t see any chemistry / sexual tension between him & Dany.
    Also, Daario should be more flamboyant & should ‘tease’ her more. He’s should be her weakness, but in this episode (imho), he just seemed pretty weak himself.
    I’m really, really going to miss Oberyn. Does anyone think there’s any possible chance they could keep him alive?? Maybe to make up for lack of other Dorne characters? Wishful thinking I know… Oberyn is currently (along with Tyrion) one of my favourite characters. Pascal kills it, he’s perfect for the role, even though he’s totally not what I pictured when I read the books.

  411. UnderD
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    The episode should have ended with this:
    http://youtu.be/mhujM7T1_fQ
    with lyrics slightly modified :D

  412. chameleon
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Ra,

    Also missing the “Only Cat” because it was so iconic, although I do understand why they made the choice for Unsullied watchers. Unfortunately I expect we’ll also lose the fantastic Tyrion quote “Cersei is a lying whore, she’s been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know”, since they haven’t introduced the Kettleblacks. That line cracks me up every time.

  413. Westerosi Breast Enthusiast
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Who cares if the bath scene was unnecessary or tacked on? Carice van Houten in her birthday suit is always spectacular :D

    Winterdark,

    I think that Robert called her upon arriving on Winterfel.. Or as he put it, it was more like “Kaaaaaaat *bearhug*

  414. Nessa
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    ash,

    Ned died in 2011 (you know what I mean), it’s been what 3 years since we first met hot pie? Of course he is going to grow up, same as Arya, same as every kid in the show… no one can change that, unless you preferred different actors, which is absurd.

  415. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Sergei Walankov,

    I interpreted Sansa’s Sweetrobin smackdown as a release from years of pent up frustration and helplessness. She built something beautiful and memorable to her and this kid, like Joffrey and countless other rude elders before, destroyed her dream and temporary sense of wonder. Yes, she could have had more self-control, but as is often the case, the abused sometimes become the abusers. I don’t think she felt good about her slap, but I do think she will start to assert herself more.

    Regarding the “Only Cat” comment, I understand the change for the show (given the showrunner’s false sense of viewer intelligence) but as a poster said earlier, “Only Cat” made it far more personal. Everyone who knew Catelyn well, called her Cat and LF was probably the one who gave her that nickname in the first place. It’s not a terrible thing to change, but it is an example of something that an author spends hours on, while an adapter spends minutes on, choosing visual effect over the written word.

  416. GeekFurious
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    While I think they could have had him say “Only Cat” and most audiences would have understood it, I FUCKIN’ GUARANTEE that at least 2 million people would have watched it and said “Only a cat? He killed her for a cat?”

    Because at least a quarter of TV viewers are stupid.

  417. Bean of Westeros
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m always too late in the week coming on here to comment but I had to share my steel trap brain of movies because someone earlier asked who the actor was. The dying man in the scene with Arya and The Hound was the luggage salesman from the movie Joe Versus The Volcano…I recognized him right away; “Ahhh, a real JOURNEY.” I agree with previous comments that he nailed this scene.

    Also, don’t annihilate me for this, but how did Sansa know Lysa killed her husband with LF? I don’t remember her in the show overhearing it and some of us thought it was going to be a problem.

  418. Bean of Westeros
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Also, holy snow model of Winterfell by Sansa! The edges of the the battlements were perfect. I loved that scene in the book and they did a great job in the show but it took me out of the moment for a second because I was picturing a set of bright plastic castle forms in the snow somewhere behind her.

  419. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Bean of Westeros,

    Sansa is indeed a talented snow-sculptor and has quite an effective right hook. She’s also pretty good at knitting.

    The Eyrie and its echos…

  420. NoPuristsAllowed
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    OK, so nowt that we’ve settled that changing “only Cat” to “only your sister” is utterly irrelevant, we can move on. Great!

  421. Only Your Sister Wrister
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Did anybody else catch Bronns strange look as Tyrion called him an evil bastard?

    I think they are planting seeds everywhere now, perhaps I’m reaching here though.

    Enjoyed this episode, especially the Tyrion scenes. Am beginning to wonder if we’ll get any nymeria gone wild rumors…. Seems it should have happened by now. Somebody, somewhere in the riverlands knows SOMETHING about a HUGE PACK OF WOLVES

  422. Stella
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Don’t know if anyone has answered you regarding the Dying Man, but the actor is Barry McGovern, a well-known and respected Irish actor, perhaps best known for his Beckett interpretations. I think the scene between Arya and the Dying Man was a bit of an inside joke: Arya is having an existential discussion with someone who is a Beckett expert: “Nothing is just nothing.” Yes!

    He did a brilliant job in his two minutes of Game of Thrones.

    More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_McGovern

  423. Gared Hall
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    JoffreyTrueKing,

    I’m sure this was answered but I didn’t read the 400+ comments. Hot Pie knew that the brotherhood took both Arya and the Hound. Pod deduced that Arya’s only living relative with money is her aunt Lysa, so they decide to look for them there. It’s not so much that they’re looking for the Hound, but rather for the brotherhood who may have both him and Arya.

    But if I may digress, the “Only Cat” vs “Your Sister” wasn’t too much of a big deal to me. It just makes it plainer for the viewer that hasn’t read the books. Still a gripping scene – his little shove and how it was shot was perfect.

  424. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Only Your Sister Wrister:
    Am beginning to wonder if we’ll get any nymeria gone wild rumors….Seems it should have happened by now.Somebody, somewhere in the riverlands knows SOMETHING about a HUGE PACK OF WOLVES

    Nice name shift, ser. I am totally with you on the riverlands wolf rampage (or lack thereof).

    Go Team Nymeria!

  425. GOT-dot
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who noticed that the dying man’s lines were straight from Waiting for Godot?

    Makes sense, given that Benioff’s thesis at Trinity College was on Beckett!

    http://observationdeck.io9.com/waiting-for-got-dot-1578297724/1578773827/+charliejane

    The actor is also a renowned Beckett stage actor. Surprised none of the critics picked up on it!

  426. Swordpen
    Posted May 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t have a problem with “your sister” at all. The acting was still great and the look on Lysa’s face still devastating. It just makes it clearer to the non-book readers. And it’s such an important scene, the last thing you want is Baelish going “only Cat” and then people going “….who?”

    http://tiny-tran.blogspot.ca/2014/04/crystal-clay-game-of-thrones-part-8.html

  427. Only Your Sister Wrister
    Posted May 21, 2014 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Thank you, my old friend. I have been traveling lately and have been watching at strange times… Checked out of here a bit. It’s nice to see people are still finding things to bitch about, despite such great episodes as of late :D

  428. Bean of Westeros
    Posted May 21, 2014 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Thank you for making that connection to Beckett! Although his performance in Joe Versus the Volcano was layered and moving, I’m really wishing I hadn’t pointed that out now.

  429. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 21, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    hinesy24,

    You say two opposite things…first that Gilly will die in next ep and then that you’re sure she’ll live. ?

    In regards the Shireen sacrifice theory…if Stannis is Azor
    Ahai like Melisandre says, then in order to fulfill his destiny his sword has to be used to kill someone he loves. He only has one person left alive that he loves and it ain’t his wife. It’s Shireen.

    So I think Shireen is being taken along to be the sacrifice. I don’t think he will end up doing it but not because he refuses but because Davos will prevent him….I think that’s why the writers have established the relationship between Davos and Shireen so well. The attempt to sacrifice her will be the one thing that breaks Davos loyalty and makes him end up in a prison as he is supposed to in the last book. There’s nothing in the show to support my theory about Davos saving Shireen* so it’s just my speculation. *I mean other than the 1) close relationship between Davos and Shireen and 2) Davos has prevented Stannis from executing someone in the past, Gendry

  430. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 21, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Bean of Westeros,

    Also, don’t annihilate me for this, but how did Sansa know Lysa killed her husband with LF? I don’t remember her in the show overhearing it and some of us thought it was going to be a problem.

    Well, while Lysa was holding Sansa near the door she said something like “your mother, my father, my husband..this is what happens to those who get between me and Peter” and a minute later when LF is comforting Lysa she says something like “I’ve killed for you”. Sansa might not have put 2 and 2 together right then but she will once she’s had a moment to calm down and reflect on what happened.

  431. Bean of Westeros
    Posted May 22, 2014 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    You’re right…I rewatched it last night and she said, “why’d you kill Joffrey?” I like watching Sansa lose her naivete. Can’t wait to see what happens with her.

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