Game of Owns: Parents
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Episode 227 – Parents

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Guided by your Owns, GOO steps once more into fray that was the Game of Thrones season 4 finale. And in a sullied-only occasion, for the first time in the show’s history, events beyond the HBO series are finally discussed.

Discussion Topics

Sinking in the finale
The King’s meet
Coming to terms
Mother of Dragons
Privy’d information
Reads the Tweets
LeakyCon is Coming

If you have yet to read the books, and/or wish to not be spoiled on events not yet revealed in the TV series, do not listen between 33 and 69 minutes. Anything else, you are safe.


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  1. howland reed
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 7:34 pm | Permalink


  2. Blackfish
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Spoilers ahead. Awesome, set the Sullied loose.

  3. MeroVFX
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    you guys MUST do a weekly sullied game of owns!!!!
    we need it!!! :)

  4. Natilala
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    if u say spoilers one more time… u warned it too much!!
    Good show..

  5. Monica
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Where’s the curtain call for Charles Dance?

  6. Hollyoak
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Kate has a nice voice.

  7. John M W
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Kate, I dearly hope you won’t find it inappropriate if I say that I’m totally crushing on your laugh. :D

    You’re seriously the most adorable thing ever. Don’t stop being you. ;)

  8. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Another show brimming with Kate Welch’s unparalleled brilliance and humor. Will it ever end?

    I’ll shortly be issuing a formal announcement about the formation of the official Kate Welch fan club, but am struggling to come up with a name.

    Maybe “Welch-Tang Clan?”

  9. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted June 24, 2014 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    John M W:
    Kate, I dearly hope you won’t find it inappropriate if I say that I’m totally crushing on your laugh. :D

    You’re seriously the most adorable thing ever. Don’t stop being you. ;)

    I have never, ever had a crush on someone before. Always been a nomad, content with myself and my path, and not too worried about the need for companionship. Have had many girlfriends along the road (including during my ten years’ abroad in Central and West Asia), but have never developed a serious connection to one person.

    Until now. I believe I can safely say that Kate Welch is my first crush. At age 38!

    And I know that just from listening to Game of Owns…

    P.S. Kate – I didn’t receive a check for my comment section services from the last GOO show, and just wanted to touch base and see if it was on its way. I’ll have to raise my rates if this continues.

  10. outdoorcats
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    I have a comment for Kate and Micah regarding that whole spoiler discussion (cue one million spoiler warnings)

    Here’s an alternate theory on why – IF they are including Lady Stoneheart in Season 5 – why they might have chosen to delay that introduction. Ready? Listen up.

    When we first meet Lady Stoneheart, she’s hanging Freys. It’s exciting stuff, but because of the way she’s introduced you still see some deluded users on the internet think her appearance is “hopeful”–despite her rather horrifying confrontation with Brienne in ‘A Feast for Crows.’ They probably think she’ll have an emotional reunion with Arya and Sansa, her stone heart will start beating again, and she’ll return to her former self. What series have they been reading? If there’s one thing that confrontation taught us, is that Lady Stoneheart is NOT Catelyn. Not just because of her mindless, heartless cruelty, but because – this is big! – she broke her oath to Brienne! She promised Brienne that she would never ask her something which would bring her dishonor (George doesn’t throw those little things in at random), yet here we have Lady Stoneheart asking Brienne to lie to and betray Jaime.

    What I’m getting at is this: it’s the second time we meet her, in her confrontation with Brienne in Book 4 — NOT the first time we meet her hanging Merrett Frey — that proves that Lady Stoneheart isn’t a ‘jump the shark’ plot twist which opens the possibility of all our favorite characters being resurrected as their cool former selves to dole out vengeance on all those who wronged them.

    I think if they had done it at the end of S4 just like the epilogue of Book 3, while all the Unsullied would be SHOCKED, they would also be divided in their reactions, and possibly a lot of them would be disappointed.

    Now consider the theoretical S5 introduction of Lady Stoneheart, which might go down as the way Brienne meets her in the books. Not only is Catelyn alive (sort of) and revenge-obsessed, but it’s also immediately clear in the same sequence that she’s not the same person, and something went wrong. I think the Unsullied reaction to such a scene would be HUGE and it would go down as one of the best and most WTF-worthy scenes in the entire show, up there with Ned’s death, the weddings, etc.

    So why couldn’t they have Brienne run into her at the end of S4 and do the same thing? I don’t think they can rush Brienne’s story that fast – if they follow even the most basic outline of the books then her timeline has to coincide with Jaime’s, more or less.

    My two cents.

  11. ace
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Another show brimming with Kate Welch’s unparalleled brilliance and humor. Will it ever end?

    I’ll shortly be issuing a formal announcement about the formation of the official Kate Welch fan club, but am struggling to come up with a name.

    Maybe “Welch-Tang Clan?”

    Welch-U Talking About?

  12. amadea
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    Absolutely hilarious that people thought LS was going to be a thing this season, and even more funny to hear people think it’s still going to happen next season. And to think that fans wanting her in the show is somehow going to change D&D’s mind?! As if they haven’t already mapped out the arcs of the show two seasons ahead already! It’s. Never. Going. To. Happen. Just another storyline from the books that has ended up on the adaptation cutting room floor. There’s lot’s of stuff that was awesome in the books that just is never going to make it into the show. LS is out, and I’m calling it now, Gravedigger is out too. After HotU I learned to accept that just because something in the books was really awesome to me and really important to my enjoyment of the books, doesn’t mean that D&D think it’s necessary or important to telling the story in the medium that they are working in, which is a 10 episode per season serialized television show.

    P.S. All the interpretations that Lena Headey is sending out secret spoiler messages to the fans and has a “history” of doing so because of one photo, and is trolling fans is also really, really hilarious. Tin hats, people. Tin hats. I guess you see what you want to see.

  13. tiny direwolf
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Great episode!
    I didn’t start reading the books until I watched Season 2 (which I LOVED)then read all of them because I couldn’t wait to find out what happened next. I have been surprised to find out how disliked Season 2 has been to many … most sullied viewers.

    I think I understand now as I was one of those waiting for that “final scene” that never came this year (and last year).

    I watched S1 and S2 without prior knowledge and expectations, and was thouroughly engaged then when I read the books it was like an expanded version for me. Funny though, at first I found the book version of Dany in the HOTU confusing and hard to follow. I was perfectly happy with the show version and even preferred it at the time.

    I think that is how I need to approach the show from now on. If/when the show overtakes the books it will actually be a relief in some ways. Weird, I know :)

  14. John M W
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    Don’t agree with Micah about the ending being weak. Cliffhangers are not always good. They tend to be more about amping up excitement for the next season instead of wrapping up the season we just watched. I prefer the latter when it comes to a show we only get for ten weeks once a year. Closure is called for sometimes, and this was actually one of my favorite endings to any GoT season.

  15. Trav
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    Thank you guys so much for that spoiler section. That was like therapy for me. I too had such a hard time dealing with the jolt of not seeing that “thing” occur. It did take away from what, to that point, was a fantastic finale.

    They had Stannis arrive at the wall. They had the epic events of Tyrion killing Shae and Tywin. And they even added in an awesome fight between The Hound and Brienne. That should have been plenty. And it would have been, if not for the anticipation of this other “thing” and subsequent disappointment of not getting it

    They at least should have warned us, that it wasn’t coming yet, so we could avoid, not just getting our hopes up for it, but being 100% sure it WAS definitely happening. I’m looking at YOU, Lena Headey

    Anyway, great show guys. As always

  16. Howland Reed
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Yikes, got a bit creepy in here. Anyhoo, will TV only people guard spoilers so zealously when the TV show gets ahead of ASOIAF?

  17. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Howland Reed,

    Probably a good thing to remember that this is a web site dedicated to the TV show, not the books.

  18. Howland Reed
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    That’s a shame. Have to add it to the blackout list should the time come.

  19. outdoorcats
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink


    This should have been spoiler tagged all the way through – there appears to be a bug on WiC that spoiler markup doesn’t appear all the way through when there are paragraph breaks. I tried to avert that using multiple sets of spoiler markup but I guess that didn’t work. Anyway, sorry my comment got triple-posted, folks.

    Re: the whole Alex Graves thing. Alex Graves is neither writer or a producer on the show. He also has not read the books, and he isn’t going to be directing any episodes of S5. His opinion on potential storylines is just that–his opinion. I don’t think we should be taking his word as Dan and David’s.

  20. John M W
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Guys, I’m now seriously concerned about LS not making it in AT ALL.

    Michelle Fairely did an interview with Entertainment Weekly and they had a conversation about the LS controversy.

    In it, EW’s James Hibberd indicates that he’s heard third-hand that she was told that LS isn’t going to happen in the show, and she seems to confirm that. :(

    *SPOILERS* in link AND in web address (don’t hover your mouse over the link if you don’t want to be spoiled!)

    EW Lady Stoneheart Interview

    What do you guys make of that??

  21. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    John M W,

    Hibberd was remarking on what he’d heard from Alex Graves, I believe. I think at this point, the only one who knows the truth is Benioff and Weiss (and season 5 the writers I guess), and they aren’t talking. If they’re going to do it, they aren’t going to admit it. And if they’re not going to do it…they’re not going to admit in it advance.

  22. fuelpagan
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    John M W,

    Not much of a spoiler then if it isn’t going to happen.

    Does make me curious how she couldn’t speak about it before, but now she is free to do so. I guess D&D were leaving the option open and finally decided to nix LS while structuring season 5. As long as the Frey’s suffer for violating guest rights, that’s my biggest concern. Would have really liked to see Lady Stoneheart, but I’m reserving judgment until I see what D&D do with the story going forward.

  23. John M W
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Good point. :)

    Also, thank you for the additional spoilering of my post. I’ll make sure and remember from now on to err more on the side of caution with stuff like this.

  24. fuelpagan
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Could be damage control to up the shock value later. But I’m done holding my breath for this character.

  25. Vyse
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    On the other hand, I have to wonder if LS is not in the show, does that mean she doesn’t play a significant part in the next two books.

  26. Turncloak
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I disagree OitF it looks like LS isn’t coming. From the EW article, Michelle Fairley clearly admits that there will be no LS.

    There was a lot of online conversation. I heard third-hand that you were basically told that it’s not likely to ever happen. Is that accurate? Yeah, the character’s dead. She’s dead.

    Do you have a preference at all—do you think Catelyn’s arc should end where it ended, or would you be into the resurrection idea?
    You respect the writers’ decision. I knew the arc, and that was it. They can’t stick to the books 100 percent. It’s impossible—they only have 10 hours per season. They have got to keep it dramatic and exciting, and extraneous stuff along the way gets lost in order to maintain the quality of brilliant show.

  27. Frank Seitz
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Awesome Sullied podcast, and you even pronounced my name right. This should become a regular feature.

  28. Brodor
    Posted June 25, 2014 at 7:02 pm | Permalink


    Whats even more hilarious is that you of course know she won’t be in the show. As if you know any more or less than the rest of us. Unless it comes from D&D it’s all speculation. People are completely blowing this out of proportion

  29. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted June 26, 2014 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    First, good show. Second, music segues were too loud and stepped on what you guys were saying during transitions. Third, you guys should do some outtakes from each year’s episodes of funny stuff. In particular, Kate doing the “siren” sounds to warn the Unsullied not to continue listening was one for the ages. ;)

    Actually I think GRRM has actually said that he regretted adding LS in the books (for a variety of reasons) and I think that ultimately she will not effect the endgame for any of the most important characters. For example, Brienne, whose arc most people are concerned with, will be different without LS obviously, but who in their right mind thinks she’ll end up sitting on the Iron Throne. I mean, even if she lives to the end, and IF she ends up close to someone who does end up being the “winner”, would the presence of LS have actually affected that eventuality? We can use the same reasoning for Jaime. I suspect GRRM would say no LS doesn’t matter in this regard. Of course, that’s all pure speculation on my part but I just don’t think LS matters plot-wise in the long run.

    Then again as OiTF says, no one knows for sure except D&D, and I’m excited to see what they decide to do either way.

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