Directors for Game of Thrones Season 5 announced
By Lightbringer on in News.

Entertainment Weekly has just released a breakdown of directors for Game of Thrones Season 5.

The fifth season of Game of Thrones will have five directors, with each taking charge of two back to back episodes. It looks like we’re in for a batch of newcomers to the show next year, with only one familiar name on the list, David Nutter, who will be closing out the season with the last two episodes.

We’ve already learned that Michael Slovis will be at the helm of the first two episodes, but we can also welcome Mark Mylod, Jeremy Podeswa, and Miguel Sapochnik into the fold. Notably absent are Alex Graves, Neil Marshall, Michelle MacLaren, and Alik Sakharov, as well as our showrunners, David Benioff and Dan Weiss, who are likely focusing on other aspects of the upcoming season.

Here is the full breakdown:

Episodes 501 and 502: Michael Slovis (episodes of AMC’s Breaking Bad, NBC’s Law & Order: SVU)
Episodes 503 and 504: Mark Mylod (episodes of Showtime’s Shameless and HBO’s Entourage)
Episodes 505 and 506: Jeremy Podeswa (episodes of HBO’s Boardwalk Empire and Showtime’s The Tudors)
Episodes 507 and 508: Miguel Sapochnik (episodes of Fox’s House and Fringe)
Episodes 509 and 510: David Nutter

 

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179 Comments

  1. Balerion The Cat
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    David Nutter!

  2. Kit
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Jeremy Podeswa directed Fugitive Pieces, a nice little film about Holocaust survivors, which stars Stephen Dillane–I wonder what other trivia connections can be made with these guys.

  3. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    And now – casting news, please.

  4. Kingslayer
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Cool to see Slovis on there. His BrBa eps were great.

  5. House Mormont
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Do other shows not keep their directors?

  6. Sansa Bird
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Note, all of them are male. They’ve gotten ride of their only female director. Disappointed.

  7. Adam Whitehead
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Interesting. Jeremy Podeswa was apparently originally going to direct ‘Blackwater’, but dropped out at short notice due to a family emergency. It’s good to see him finally getting a shot on the show.

  8. outdoorcats
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Well, that’s surprising – especially to see David and Dan didn’t do an episode this year, though in retrospect that makes sense, so as to lessen their workload.

    Jeremy Podeswa is a no-brainer. For starts, he is rumored to be the director who had to bow out of Blackwater at the last minute. He also worked on most of the big HBO dramas over the past decade and a half – Carnivale, Six Feet Under, Rome (always room for more Rome alumni), The Pacific, True Blood, The Newsroom, and Boardwalk Empire. Outside of HBO, we can add to that resume: AHS, Rubicon (great show!), Homeland, Into the West, and The Tudors. He should be a good fit.

  9. bon
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    What the seven hells? Why Alik Sakharow is not directing even a single episode in season 5? Why you do this to us HBO??? WHY!!!???

  10. Arkash
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    I’d love to see some daring direction of the Tudors in GoT, so glad to see Jeremy Podeswa there !

  11. outdoorcats
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Sapochnik also seems like a smart choice, though he’s a pretty new guy to filmmaking he’s already got a decent resume directing a lot of big-budget, high-profile dramas on network and cable. Mylod is the odd one out because it seems he’s mostly done comedy shows – granted I’m not familiar with his work. Also, perhaps a good comparison is how Marvel has gambled on directors known more for their ‘comedy’ than action or drama twice and paid off with their two best films that aren’t The Avengers – Iron Man and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Jon Favreau was best known for Elf and the Russos for directing episodes of Arrested Development and Community. The direction of both films was arguably outstanding, esp. for a Hollywood blockbuster.

  12. Hugo Viegas
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    If Jeremy Podeswa was suposed to direct the battle of Blackwater, could this mean he will direct the big battle everyone is talking about, that will be filmed in osuna? Daznak’s pit sequence perhaps in episode 5 or 6

  13. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    I have no issues with any of the directors, but Sakharov is IMO the best of the GOT directing stable, and I am very sad to see him go (as well as MacLaren, who I also like a lot). They have a subtlety about them, and a great eye for composition and lighting, that many TV directors lack. Sakharov’s prison scenes in season 4, for example, are like Rembrandt’s come to life.

    Ah well. I’m still excited to see what these new cats can do!

  14. 14ccKemiskt
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Can anyone with some inside experience explain why they use so many different directors. Wouldn’t it be more efficient to use just one director for a whole season?

    How do they (tv series creators) think?

  15. Kingslayer
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    14ccKemiskt:
    Can anyone with some inside experience explain why they use so many different directors. Wouldn’t it be more efficient to use just one director for a whole season?

    How do they (tv series creators) think?

    GoT films in 4 or 5 countries at a time and it would impossible to do so with one director. This is why they use various directors.

  16. Amanda Crosby
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Well I hope these guys have at least read the books and appreciate them because D&D sure as hell don’t.

  17. Arkash
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    14ccKemiskt:
    Can anyone with some inside experience explain why they use so many different directors. Wouldn’t it be more efficient to use just one director for a whole season?

    How do they (tv series creators) think?

    Directing 10 hours of material is one hell of a job. Especially on GoT. If they had only one director, the guy would most likely end up completely nuts !

    On True Detective, one director only worked cause it was focused mainly on only two characters, thus making it impossible to shoot different scenes at the same time, but on GoT it’s impossible !

  18. Ross
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Amanda Crosby:
    Well I hope these guys have at least read the books and appreciate them because D&D sure as hell don’t.

    Thanks for coming

  19. Hi-Fi
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Amanda Crosby:
    Well I hope these guys have at least read the books and appreciate them because D&D sure as hell don’t.

    ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

  20. King Tommen
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    14ccKemiskt:
    Can anyone with some inside experience explain why they use so many different directors. Wouldn’t it be more efficient to use just one director for a whole season?

    How do they (tv series creators) think?

    Television productions (network, cable, HBO etc) almost always use different directors throughout their seasons. Writers as well. It’s too onerous a task to give that amount of shooting to only one person.

    On a show like GoT, with the shooting schedules they conduct, it would be almost impossible to have one or two directors at the helm. They are often shooting different scenes concurrently in order to get everything finished on time which requires completely different crews to be assembled and on the ground during these times.

    Directors also need a fair amount of preparation in how they choose to block, shoot, frame, light and get all the coverage for their scenes. The directors on GoT are given 2 hours worth of material to be responsible for which is more or less the length of a feature film. Asking them to be involved on a whole lot more than that (especially on a monster like GoT) would be unrealistic.

  21. King Tommen
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Amanda Crosby:
    Well I hope these guys have at least read the books and appreciate them because D&D sure as hell don’t.

    Your bitter, angry tears feed my soul. They nourish me.

  22. 14ccKemiskt
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Arkash: Directing 10 hours of material is one hell of a job. Especially on GoT. If they had only one director, the guy would most likely end up completely nuts !

    More work, yes, but would it be impossible to let each director at least have 3-4 episodes?

    Kingslayer: GoT films in 4 or 5 countries at a time and it would impossible to do so with one director. This is why they use various directors.

    But most episodes have scenes from a lot of different locations which should mean that each director has to be flown between all of them for one episode.

  23. Paula Myo
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Amanda Crosby,

    Do you want a cookie or something?

  24. House baratheon
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad D and D arnt directing. I love their work don’t get me wrong. But after 4 seasons they must be feeling a bit burnt out. Maybe with a lighter load they can push it to 8 seasons… Or 9… Or 10! I doubt it though.

  25. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    House baratheon,

    D&D have been excellent directors. I understand them wanting to lessen their workload, but I am sad to see them not direct an episode for season 5. ‘Two Swords’ was fantastic.

  26. King Stannis
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Amanda Crosby:
    Well I hope these guys have at least read the books and appreciate them because D&D sure as hell don’t.

    Get over yourself. You try making a show about a 1128 page book and keep it interesting with the budget and time you have.

  27. Sheriff Bullock
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Jesus who does Neil Marshall have to go down on to get an episode that isn’t a battle? The guy has turned in two of the greatest episodes in the entire series and still he’s not allowed to direct a low key episode, smh.

  28. RedHelm
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    14ccKemiskt,

    Directing is a hard work. I worked on a short film once and it was driving me insane – making a 10 hour movie (equivalent of an entire season) would be especially exhausting, even for an experienced director. Besides the show is being shot in like 5 different locations. Having several directors means they can work simultaneously, therefore 5 times faster.

  29. King Tommen
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock:
    Jesus who does Neil Marshall have to go down on to get an episode that isn’t a battle? The guy has turned in two of the greatest episodes in the entire series and still he’s not allowed to direct a low key episode, smh.

    Who says that he had the time in his schedule to do so? Guy makes movies, he’s doing the show a favour by taking time to film an episode every once and a while.

  30. strokememarge
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    This is surprising, why all the new talent? Have the veteran GoT directors left for major film projects, or perhaps shifted to new series to lay a strong foundation for them.
    Anyway looking at the lineup, Mr. Slovis and Mr. Mylod apparently specialize in strong dramatic episodes which lends me to believe their directorial nods for GoT will encompass primarily character driven scenes.
    I agree with Hugo, since Mr. Podeswa has directed a lot of big action scenes and battles throughout his career in extremely successful series and mini-series. Looking at his resume he is a big gun, therefore I concur with those who believe he will be directing that big battle being rumored and seeing he is directing two episodes, perhaps it spans two episodes.
    Mr. Sapochnik is the curve ball here, his experience has been laid in sci-fi series, this leads me to believe he will be directing episodes focusing on the North and heavy WW involvement. At least we get one returning veteran, Mr. Nutter, captain of three of the ten best GoT episodes to direct the final two, which is a first for him, a promotion to close the season.
    I miss D&D not directing, their episodes were excellent and strong, hopefully House is right and by lessening the workload we get eight seasons (please).

  31. Lars
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Amanda Crosby:
    Well I hope these guys have at least read the books and appreciate them because D&D sure as hell don’t.

    LOL. Of course they don’t. LOL. But you do, right?

  32. Azad Injejikian
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    David Nutter!

    Hoping Drogon’s return is going to be in episode 9, and maybe Brienne meeting Stoneheart in 10 – reuniting him with Michelle

  33. Sheriff Bullock
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: Who says that he had the time in his schedule to do so? Guy makes movies, he’s doing the show a favour by taking time to film an episode every once and a while.

    After Neil directed Blackwater he was begging to do an episode for S3, but he said nobody from the show or at HBO even contacted him about that season. I bet it’s the same scenario here, they obviously only view him as a battle director and that’s a damn shame cause his record shows that he’s more than able to handle smaller stuff.

  34. outdoorcats
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    14ccKemiskt,

    Because that would be 100% impossible. Alex Graves directed four episodes of Season 4 and said that working on the show, he was getting several hours of sleep at most for months on end. Even two episodes of this show per season is apparently a workload most of us couldn’t withstand.

  35. Paula Myo
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock,

    Why would you use an action director for a low key episode? Better to play to his strengths.

  36. King Tommen
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock: After Neil directed Blackwater he was begging to do an episode for S3, but he said nobody from the show or at HBO even contacted him about that season. I bet it’s the same scenario here, they obviously only view him as a battle director and that’s a damn shame cause his record shows that he’s more than able to handle smaller stuff.

    He’s the lead director on a new show, Constantine which is on NBC and is filming now. He would have agreed to that some time ago so even if they wanted him, his schedule wouldn’t have allowed for it. That is probably the case with a number of previous season directors. They all work on multiple projects and sometimes their schedules don’t align to make working on a certain season of GoT possible. That’s life.

  37. The Loon
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    hey…do a good job on Thrones get other gigs and don’t have time…Podeswa is an awesome director…Band of Brothers and The Pacific…and ya gotta love Nutter!!!

  38. smitzzz
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Amanda Crosby:
    Well I hope these guys have at least read the books and appreciate them because D&D sure as hell don’t.

    I think you came to the wrong website dear , somebody at westeros.org will probably hold to the same nonsense viewpoint no doubt , why don’t you run along there now….

  39. The Loon
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    I was mistaken when I said Podeswa directed a Band of Brothers episode…I was thinking Rome

  40. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    So, Nutter is directing the battle of Winterfell, I see.

  41. Arkash
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Well, Neil Marshall is not very busy at the moment (and Constantine episodes are done). He is also fully able to direct low-key moments quite handily. Maybe not his greatest strenght (his better at action and scary-tension) but I’d love to see him get a chance to do one of these.

  42. Paula Myo
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    and Mereen

  43. Tatters
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    Spoilers!

  44. erin
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    Totally agree. I was looking for his name and am disappointed not to see it.

  45. erin
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Totally agree. I’ll miss him next season.

  46. Fanboy
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    erin:
    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Totally agree. I’ll miss him next season.

  47. King Tommen
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Arkash:
    Well, Neil Marshall is not very busy at the moment (and Constantine episodes are done). He is also fully able to direct low-key moments quite handily. Maybe not his greatest strenght (his better at action and scary-tension) but I’d love to see him get a chance to do one of these.

    Constantine episodes aren’t done. They’re just filming them now and will be throughout the season. Network schedules don’t work like cable ones. They’re essentially 2-3 months ahead of the actual episode airdates. Constantine runs from October until May so he’d be working on the show until the new year easily.

  48. Sheriff Bullock
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Paula Myo:
    Sheriff Bullock,

    Why would you use an action director for a low key episode? Better to play to his strengths.

    Watch The Descent and Dog Soldiers and tell me Neil wouldn’t be able to handle a low key episode.

  49. Sheriff Bullock
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: He’s the lead director on a new show, Constantine which is on NBC and is filming now. He would have agreed to that some time ago so even if they wanted him, his schedule wouldn’t have allowed for it. That is probably the case with a number of previous season directors. They all work on multiple projects and sometimes their schedules don’t align to make working on a certain season of GoT possible.That’s life.

    BS Neil has publicly stated that nobody from HBO or the show asked him to return for Season 3, don’t give me that schedule excuse.

  50. Arkash
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: Constantine episodes aren’t done. They’re just filming them now and will be throughout the season. Network schedules don’t work like cable ones. They’re essentially 2-3 months ahead of the actual episode airdates. Constantine runs from October until May so he’d be working on the show until the new year easily.

    Yeah, my bad, just ckecked that out, thanks for the correction !

  51. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Tatters:
    Valdred Dethstorm,

    Spoilers!

    Sorry about that.

  52. King Tommen
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock: BS Neil has publicly stated that nobody from HBO or the show asked him to return for Season 3, don’t give me that schedule excuse.

    What does what was going on two years ago have to do with people’s schedules now?

    Even if they really, really wanted him to direct episodes in Season 5, he had a previous commitment (which is a fact that is easily validated if you check online).

    You’re the one posting wild speculation about how the showrunners feel about a guy they’ve called on twice now and entrusted with major setpieces episodes. They obviously really like him. The other garbage you’re spewing out is you drawing conclusions out of thin air as opposed to doing a little research to see if what you’re talking about is even possible (it’s not).

  53. Paula Myo
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock,

    Seen em, still think that.

  54. hehe
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Kit,

    Here is a connection… Mark Mylod directed “Ali G in Da House” which had Charles Dance in it.

  55. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Completely off-topic, and a spoiler, but I don’t know where else to share this theory/ possible epiphany:

    I was re-reading the lead up to the stabbing of Jon Snow, and realized that Ghost was acting strangely toward him, including growling. Then I got to thinking about the Mance glamor that Melisandre put on Rattleshirt, and I thought: Could that have just been a glamor of Jon Snow that was stabbed, put on someone else (perhaps Mance)? And could the Mance in Winterfell actually be Jon Snow, with a Mance glamor on him?

    I haven’t seen this theory anywhere, and so wanted to check with others here…

  56. Paula Myo
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Who needs logic when you’ve got RAGE

  57. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure the new guys will be great but I’ll miss Sakharov and MacLaren. Any word on why they aren’t working on season 5?

  58. Ironborn
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    No. We were in Jon’s mind at that very moment.

  59. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Ironborn:
    Off Topic

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    No. We were in Jon’s mind at that very moment.

    Got it – I was reading just the lead up, and hadn’t yet gotten to the moment of truth. Yes, it would be a very cheap trick (and likely unsupportable) if that’s not Jon.

  60. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I’m sure the new guys will be great but I’ll miss Sakharov and MacLaren.Any word on why they aren’t working on season 5?

    I’m wondering the same. They are both so good, that this makes me a tad nervous…

  61. jentario
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Kit,

    Fight scenes in episode 5 and 6 then? Maybe Yara vs Stannis and the Queenmaker fight scene. Maybe the Sorrows! We really need to know whether Aegon is in or out

  62. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Ghost sensed that there were enemies about. Jon, like Robb, ignored the warnings to keep his direwolf close.

  63. jentario
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Paula Myo,

    I wouldn’t rush to think that. There’s no real evidence so far the recent news about filming a battle scene in Osuna is almost definitely referring to the Daznak Pit. Iff D&D called Bran’s wight fight a battle the Pit scene certainly qualifies- it is absolutely huge in the books and I can see them upping the stakes in the show to make it a more arc defining moment.

    Either way, if they’re filming a large battle scene in Osuna outside the bullring we’ll know about it when filming begins. For now I doubt it (I think Spain will mostly just he Dorne, with the bullring being the exception as there just isn’t any economicly sensible location better for the Daznak Pit than a bullfighting ring).

    The battle of Winterfell is 90% in, though, since it supposedly grew too big/long to be filmed in Iceland. I can’t imagine any other “battle” scene set in the snow and that is very big and very long.

  64. jentario
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Them and D&D will be missed. All very good directors!

  65. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Given the difference in tone, attitude and locales from books 1-3 to books 4-5, I am looking forward to the change in directors and commend the showrunners for taking such a risk. This next act should have a considerably different, bleaker (if that is even possible) and uncomfortably transitional look and feel to it. A fresh set of directors seems like the right decision. I’m looking forward to how they expand (and contract) the GoT world this next season.

    On a related note…since Slovis directed Breaking Bad’s “Kafkaesque” episode, maybe GoT will continue its well-established “beetle” narrative and metaphor into the new season! :)

  66. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Really glad to see Jeremy Podeswa on board, after he had to bow out last time. He’s a great TV director. Love his work on Boardwalk Empire.

    Slovis, I commented on when I posted about him originally.

    As for the others, I’m pretty underwhelmed. Nothing about the direction of the projects they helmed stands out to me.

    And as I was complaining on Twitter, I am really bummed that there are no women involved in the directing or writing of GoT in season 5. If you say, “What does that matter?” It matters because there are no female voices involving in a really big part of the creative process, and of course there are so many great women characters on the show- all being written and directed by men now. So I’m a little disappointed.

  67. Maxwell James
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Surprised about MacLaren, who recently signed a first-look deal with HBO. Was sure she would be back because of that. Now I’m wondering if True Detective managed to nab her. Good for her, if so, but I’d rather have her on GoT.

    Overall the list is pretty good, but not on par with the past few years.

  68. Maxwell James
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    It matters because there are no female voices involving in a really big part of the creative process, and of course there are so many great women characters on the show- all being written and directed by men now. So I’m a little disappointed.

    Agreed. Not to tread over old ground, but certain episodes this past season showed that the show could use more diversity in the writers’ room. And MacLaren, one of the very best directors working in TV, will be missed.

  69. jentario
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    We’ll judge that next year

  70. John M W
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Sapochnik’s work on his two Fringe episodes was excellent (IMO he helmed the best of the five Season Premieres). I’m looking forward to seeing what he brings here.

  71. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Really glad to see Jeremy Podeswa on board, after he had to bow out last time. He’s a great TV director. Love his work on Boardwalk Empire.

    Slovis, I commented on when I posted about him originally.

    As for the others, I’m pretty underwhelmed. Nothing about the direction of the projects they helmed stands out to me.

    And as I was complaining on Twitter, I am really bummed that there are no women involved in the directing or writing of GoT in season 5. If you say, “What does that matter?” It matters because there are no female voices involving in a really big part of the creative process, and of course there are so many great women characters on the show- all being written and directed by men now. So I’m a little disappointed.

    I feel you on some of this, Fury. I would think you probably are generally high on Nutter given he’s a known commodity already, and yes re the other two.

    I’m myself sad not to see Michelle MacLaren given she directed several excellent episodes of this show and was one of the stronger directors of Breaking Bad episodes – though to be fair, that show besides her had nary a female director too (which isn’t really a point in either show’s favor…). Even though the movie Twilight is execrable, Catherine Hardwicke has an interesting visual style and wouldn’t have been a bad choice if she had been interested. Kathryn Bigelow? Probably too big a name here.

  72. King Tommen
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Really glad to see Jeremy Podeswa on board, after he had to bow out last time. He’s a great TV director. Love his work on Boardwalk Empire.

    Slovis, I commented on when I posted about him originally.

    As for the others, I’m pretty underwhelmed. Nothing about the direction of the projects they helmed stands out to me.

    And as I was complaining on Twitter, I am really bummed that there are no women involved in the directing or writing of GoT in season 5. If you say, “What does that matter?” It matters because there are no female voices involving in a really big part of the creative process, and of course there are so many great women characters on the show- all being written and directed by men now. So I’m a little disappointed.

    How much did Vanessa Taylor and Michelle MacLaren really bring in the way of a female sensibility in the episodes they worked on or to the show in general? I would venture not that much. I don’t think that the way the production of this show is structured that anyone outside of the writer of the source material and the two showrunners (who are all men) are going to alter anything significantly. I don’t think the underlings or support staff are going to provide the change that you think they will IMO.

  73. RhymesWithWeak
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    If it were Mance….he would send Ghost away to not have people wondering why he was acting strange towards *Jon*.

    I think Jon would rather be personally doing what he sent Mance to do…so if that was the case how the heck would they pull that off on TV?

  74. Jesus Ali
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian,

    I think the season will only cover HALF of ADWD. I think it will end with Dany marrying Hizdar.

  75. Jesus Ali
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    No. It was a Jon chapter written from HIS perspective. We hear his internal thoughts and observations.

  76. Jesus Ali
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Jesus Ali,

    Sorry. I didn’t notice how to black out spoiler comments until now and I can’t seem to edit that last one.

  77. Jesus Ali
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Word is that Alex Graves’ departure from the show was consensual… eventually.

  78. Turncloak
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Jesus Ali,

    They already are using a location that fits the drazbak pit scene which happens at the end if ADWD

  79. Turncloak
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Really glad to see Jeremy Podeswa on board, after he had to bow out last time. He’s a great TV director. Love his work on Boardwalk Empire.

    Slovis, I commented on when I posted about him originally.

    As for the others, I’m pretty underwhelmed. Nothing about the direction of the projects they helmed stands out to me.

    And as I was complaining on Twitter, I am really bummed that there are no women involved in the directing or writing of GoT in season 5. If you say, “What does that matter?” It matters because there are no female voices involving in a really big part of the creative process, and of course there are so many great women characters on the show- all being written and directed by men now. So I’m a little disappointed.

    This is very concerning. There are huge arcs coming for 2 of the most important woman on the show, Dany and Cersei, and not a female voice in the creative process. This doesn’t even include other important females like Arya, Sansa, Margaery, Myrcella, The Sand Snakes!, Yara, Melisandre, Selyse, Brienne, etc. I wonder how different that Cersei/Jaime sept scene would have been if Michelle Macleran directed it. My guess is less mysognistic.

    To be fair, GRRM did write the female characters in his story but even he can have trouble with them in occasion (ex: Dany’s wedding scene in which we are to expect that a 13 year old has consensual sex the first time she meets her 30year old barbarian husband. On this occasion the show did the right thing by having Dany’s relationship develop first)

  80. RhymesWithWeak
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Jesus Ali,

    GRRM glamoured his Jon chapter….he obviously had trouble with ADWD.

  81. Daniellica
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Sansa Bird: Note, all of them are male. They’ve gotten ride of their only female director. Disappointed.

    Seriously? “They’ve gotten ride [sic] of their only female director”? It does not occur to you that her schedule may have had conflicting engagements already lined up? According to her IMDB profile, she is currently in production on another television show.

    I would also love for there to be more female voices in the creation of this and every show, but I think many people overestimate the quantity of female directors out there. Direction is extremely difficult for women to break into, in part because it has been dominated by men for so damn long. To become a director, one often has to be an AD for many years, or even 2nd or 3rd AD, or to finance and direct one’s own indie film. Or be Angelina Jolie or something.

    There just are not that many of them, relatively speaking. Specifically speaking, I’d rather D&D hire the best directors for the given episodes than to go out of their way to hire women that aren’t a good fit. Once we support and allow and demand more women be given the opportunity to direct, once there are more female directors with the experience and passion and talent capable of creating hours for this kind of show, the more you’ll see women adding their voices to the production of so much awesome.

    One does not hire a female director to add a “woman’s touch” to something. One hires a female director because she is amazing at what she does and will deliver on the material, no matter its content. One of the reasons there are so few female directors, be it of films or TV or corporations, is because people have the expectation that hiring a woman automatically changes the name of the game into something more feminine.

    Yes, being a woman informs a woman’s perspective of the world, just as being a man does for men. But we are also human, which I daresay has a greater influence on everyone’s experience.

  82. Euron's blue lips
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Adding my voice to OursIsTheFury about being a bit underwelmed. D&D may take more an overall guiding hand w/o an episode to direct. 10Episodes.writers list us what I what I want to know. Also worried about lack of female imput on either of these..

    D&D unchecked can get into some starwars prequals or hobbit films level of bloat & bad decisions gone unchecked.

  83. Steve
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Sad to see Alik Sakharov not be on that list. Other than Marshall, I think he is the best GOT has.

    I wonder if some of the rumors I’ve seen that D&D are burned out on the show are true. There is some evidence. They’re not directing, they’ve upped the amount of episodes that Cogman writes, etc.

    That being said it doesn’t matter much, because they’ll still be on set and I doubt the quality dips, even if they do lessen their workload.

  84. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Euron’s blue lips,

    People can’t honestly believe Vanessa Taylor or Michelle MacLaren had any power or were able to keep D&D “in check”, do they? MacLaren probably had more say so than Taylor, but ultimately D&D have final say. And really, MacLaren was the director for the Craster’s rape, er, Keep scenes. If a female influence would have ever made a difference, that would have been the time.

  85. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Although it may be considered a “cheap” tactic, a glamoured Jon is a viable theory and discussed often at Westeros. Ghost could have been growling because of the danger lurking or because Jon was not quite himself…

    With Mel in the mix and Jon’s ability to warg into Ghost, we’ve been given plenty of hints/foreshadowing of what may happen with Jon or a glamoured Jon after he is attacked. In any case, I’m fairly sure that Jon is still on his way to becoming another dragon head.

  86. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    I think episodes 5 and 6 are way too early for Draznak’s Pit. That’s totally episode 9 material.

    Here are my predictions for big scenes in episodes 5 and 6: The Queenmaker attempt in Dorne. The Greyjoys taking the Shield Islands. Tyrion vs. the Stone Men on the Rhoyne. Jon letting the Wildlings through the Wall. Stannis arriving outside Winterfell in the blizzard.

  87. Cubicz
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Jesus Ali,

    Actually, they scouted a bull fighting arena in Spain which i assume means the fighting pits will be featured.

    I stand by my episode 9 prediction :)

  88. Cubicz
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    I just realized D&D aren’t directing. I actually think they did a great job with heir episodes. Better than some of the others. The Hound fight at the inn was probably the best directed fight scene of the season

  89. John M W
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Euron’s blue lips:
    D&D unchecked can get into some starwars prequals or hobbit films level of bloat & bad decisions gone unchecked.

    Steve:

    I wonder if some of the rumors I’ve seen that D&D are burned out on the show are true. There is some evidence. They’re not directing, they’ve upped the amount of episodes that Cogman writes, etc.

    You guys kill me.

  90. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: People can’t honestly believe Vanessa Taylor or Michelle MacLaren had any power or were able to keep D&D “in check”, do they? MacLaren probably had more say so than Taylor, but ultimately D&D have final say. And really, MacLaren was the director for the Craster’s rape, er, Keep scenes. If a female influence would have ever made a difference, that would have been the time.

    MacLaren didn’t write the episode. And I don’t think it’s the woman’s job to keep D&D in check. I think it’s D&D’s job to keep themselves in check, because they’re adults, and female writers/directors aren’t their babysitters. I just think women in general need to be more part of the creative process on GoT. There were no female writers in season 4. Vanessa Taylor wrote one ep early in season 3, and that was the last time. There’s no reason for a huge show to be such a boy’s club when there are so many female characters involved. Often, the stumbling points that bother me in the show are related to the handling of female characters, and no I don’t just mean the rape issue. It’s a much broader issue. (no pun intended.)There are plenty of female writers and directors out there. I wish they would have made an effort to mix it up a little for season five.

  91. Kellie
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Love it! I like it better than Melisandre raising him :)

  92. Kellie
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    oops, didnt think of that either.

  93. House Mormont
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Steve:
    Sad to see Alik Sakharov not be on that list. Other than Marshall, I think he is the best GOT has.

    I wonder if some of the rumors I’ve seen that D&D are burned out on the show are true. There is some evidence. They’re not directing, they’ve upped the amount of episodes that Cogman writes, etc.

    That being said it doesn’t matter much, because they’ll still be on set and I doubt the quality dips, even if they do lessen their workload.

    David & Dan aren’t actually doing less work this season, despite not directing an episode and writing one less episode, because this is the season where they are adapting the none adaptable AND the none existent.
    Writing original dialogue with nothing to reference is a lot harder than improving and adapting source material. And shit I’m just theorising here but if they only know the events of Bran’s future story they’ll have to thread character development and inter-character relations in there that they’ll have to make out of thin air

    It is sad that they aren’t Directing though, I loooved the direction of Two Swords. Plus this season’s directors have 3 episodes of thrones between them, we have no idea how they’ll work with the cast. But I have faith. The show went from Gemma Jackson to new blood seamlessly so hopefully it can do the same here.

  94. Lex
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Glad David Nutter is returning.

    Glad Alex Graves is taking a break.

    Sad not to see Alik Sakharov or Michell MacLaren.

  95. Morna the Witch
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    I wonder if Jon’s stabbing will happen in ep 9 or maybe later early in season 6? Quite a lot needs to happen before that, including Stannis offering Winterfell to Jon (I hope to the gods they put that in), Jon denying it, becoming LC, bonding with Mel, beheading Janos, letting the wildlings through the Wall and making his “mistakes”. There will probably be a substantial amount of focus on Samwell too.

    As for the glamour theory, I think it was really Jon who was stabbed and that he will possibly warg and be guided and shown his parentage by Bran. His body will be hid in the foodstores untill the time is right for his soul’s return to his body. He will return possibly a darker and more conflicted Jon. Jon getting stabbed is an important narrative development, as it leads up to the Wall falling and becoming vulnerable to the Others’ attack. GrrM said there are lots of interesting things happening at the Wall in tWoW. Something also tells me the NW won’t exist anymore by the end of the series, but it’s just a hunch

  96. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Vanessa Taylor was no great loss, but there are plenty of quality female writers out there. I just wonder, this far into the series, if D&D will feel comfortable bringing new writers, who have no previous affiliation with the show, into the fold.

  97. loco73
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    Yesssss! I am soo glad to see Jeremy Podeswa get his due and direct two episodes of GoT. I’ve been wanting to see man direct since the first season! If he gets to work again with Stephen Dillane it would be awesome, as it has already been mentioned here they both worked on a small but powerful movie called “Fugitive Pieces”, a great piece of work I would highly recommend!

    His credits are way, way more extensive than what is listed in the posting, aside from his own work , Jeremy Podeswa has worked on “ROME”, “Dexter”, “Homeland”, “Weeds”, “The Pacific”, “Ray Donovan”, the short-lived but brilliant AMC show “Rubicon”, “Six Feet Under”, “Into The West”, “Carnivle”,”Queer As folk”, “True Blood”, “The Borgias”, “The Walking Dead”, “American Horror Story” and of course “The Tudors”.

    Besides, he is Canadian, yay!!!!! With the exception of Tim Van Patten, Allen Coulter, Ed Bianchi and Ernest Dickerson there are few TV directors that can match his experience!

    And yes I want to see Vanessa Taylor and Michelle McLaren (another Canadian eh!!!!) return to the show as soon as possible! That also goes for Neil Marshall!!!

    Hopefully Alik Sakharov will also get his turn!

  98. House Mormont
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    D&D have handled the rape issue well considering the source material.

    A Song of Ice and Fire is written in the male gaze; so much so that most readers didn’t even recognise that Dany was raped many many times by Drogo, or that Jaime definitely and horrifically raped Cersei. David and Dan made it unambiguous and cleared the cobwebs, so that people couldn’t justify it as ok. (Which is needed, there is too much rape justification and victim blaming in the media and the justice system)

    Not to mention they made the point of making Craster’s wives owe no one anything when they were saved, and having them go off on their own. Soooo often in the media women are portrayed as owing men for not raping them, think of Troy when Mercedei thinks Achilles is going to rape her and he doesn’t so she had sex with him even though he just destroyed her temple and slaughtered her friends and took her captive.

    And my favourite, from Shae: “you should have known she was a whore, a woman who was almost raped doesn’t invite a man into her bed two hours later”

    Like I said, D&D have portrayed it healthily, considering the source material. Many people have a problem with rape being shown on the show and think it’s a bad thing, but think about this, what if rape wasn’t shown? What if all people had to go upon in their minds was society’s patriachal views on it? It’s impossible to not see that rape is horrific when it is portrayed on tv, Dr Melfi’ s rape in the Sopranos is to this day the most terrifying sobering thing I’ve ever seen

    And think of things that aren’t portrayed or portrayed accurately by the media; mental illness, sexuality before the millennium, do/did people in general have positive and realistic attitudes towards these things?

  99. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    It sort of surprises me how many of you always find a reason to whine about and always imagine the worse. What if MacLaren wasn’t available? It’s not a conspiracy against women. Sure, it would be nice to have more women directing, but is it absolutely necessary? No. But apparently some of you need to feel validated.
    “D&D need to be keep in check”, don’t make me laugh. Seriously.

    Also, the bullying/bitching against Alex Graves and the whining about the two seconds of rape at Craster’s are as ridiculous as ever.

  100. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    You’ve nearly inspired me to do a word count or something to solidify my broadest of issues, here… how many times women are called “girls” when “women” seems accurate. If it’s in character… say, King Robert, then sure, that’s Robert talking about girls. To me, it seems like the writers revert to using “girls.” Seems a character like Sam might call us women. Something I didn’t pick up on in the books, so if it’s similar there, I don’t remember. Broadest of the broad, I know.
    Ours is the Fury,

  101. House Mormont
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    Comment lost to the void, can a Mod fix that?

    It was long and I put a lot of sociology and feminism into it

  102. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I’m not talking about the rape issue, I’m not sure why you’re going off in that tangent in my direction. I said the issue was much broader than that. Female directors and writers, need more. That’s all I’m saying.

    Let’s just say I don’t agree with a lot of what you said and leave it at that. it’s too late and I don’t feel like getting into it.

  103. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm:
    It sort of surprises me how many of you always find a reason to whine about and always imagine the worse. What if MacLaren wasn’t available? It’s not a conspiracy against women. Sure, it would be nice to have more women directing, but is it absolutely necessary? No. But apparently some of you need to feel validated.
    “D&D need to be keep in check”, don’t make me laugh. Seriously.
    Also, the bullying/bitching against Alex Graves and the whining about the two seconds of rape at Craster’s are as ridiculous as ever.

    More than two seconds, and none of that needed to be written as happening onscreen.

    Other female writers and directors besides MacLaren exist.

    And no one is “bullying” Alex Graves when the press ask straightforward questions about scenes he directed that went wrong. He’s a director, he’s accountable for his work.

  104. Daniellica
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Now my comment asking about the reason for delayed/removed comments is delayed/removed. Huzzah.

  105. House Mormont
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Well I meant that David and Dan write women well, especially when considering the source material is written through POVs in a completely backwards society, then I got caught up in rape and the symbollic annihilation of women by the mass media and then feminism in general… sorry it’s 7am and I haven’t slept

    But I agree that we need women directors. Having all the directors, writers and creators be white, middle-class men means a lot of falsities can be transmitted because they can’t completely understand what they’ve never been near.

  106. Sister Wrister
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    Glad to see some new blood, and actually happy DnD are offering up the wheel for a bit. They have plenty of other work calling them, with the adaption process likely getting more demanding as far as source material (or lack thereof) goes, as well as new locations and character lines to bring into the fold. I think they have turned out some great episodes, but I feel they have the tendency to try to do too much and certain elements of the show suffer.
    I also like the “Noah’s ark” approach in divying up the season. Two by two, bang em out. Maybe this helps with the overall consistency and flow of the season and perhaps the editing and sequencing processes are also a bit easier- moving scenes around slightly either way isn’t as likely to end up with a stylistic clusterfuck. From a production standpoint, this would make sense.
    Sakharov, Maclaren will be missed. Graves, not so much.

  107. Unbowed Unbent Unhodor
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    When do they release who wrote each episode?

  108. Greenjones
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 2:41 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    His editor and cinematographer are women. So the much maligned Sept scene was blocked, shot and cut by women.

  109. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Jesus Ali,

    They already are using a location that fits the drazbak pit scene which happens at the end if ADWD

    Actually it’s not really at the end of ADWD. The scene happens in chapter 52 of 73. There are still eight chapters around Slaver’s Bay after Daznak’s Pit.

  110. Matt
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 3:30 am | Permalink

    I wonder if McLaren did nab the directors seat for season 2 of True Detective…? I heard one of the main characters will be a woman (sad that Jessica Chastain confirmed not to be the one) so it would make a lot of sense to get not only one of the best directors out there, but also someone who can bring a female perspective to the show.

    If this is the reason she isn’t doing a S5 episode or two then I’m all for it. Being given the directors chair for an entire season of a huge breakout show like TD is a major achievement!

    As for Graves and Sahkarov? Hmmmm me wonders if they didn’t bring then back to perhaps save some money…? Maybe also why D&D aren’t directing?

    My ultimate directors fantasy for Season 6: Nutter, Van Patten, McLaren, Graves, Sahkarov & Marshall.

  111. Isabelle
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 3:45 am | Permalink

    Interesting–lots of new blood. I was hoping for another Alik Sakharov-Bryan Cogman episode, but at least we’ll still have Bryan. The Nutter episodes are always meticulous, so it’ll be great to see what he does with Jon’s assassination (I’m not a fortune-teller, but there’s too much ADWD material to cover for Jon for this to take place earlier than one of the last two episodes. Am also hoping they flesh out the interactions between Jon and Stannis). The stabbing is probably going to be very operatic.

  112. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I’m sure the new guys will be great but I’ll miss Sakharov and MacLaren.Any word on why they aren’t working on season 5?

    This…would be nice to know what happened there :S

  113. Greenjones
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 4:01 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    The shooting schedule for GoT is pretty taxing and they did it for years in a row (2 for Michelle, 3 for Alik). Like Alex Graves they’re taking a break. David Nutter took one last year.

  114. GaiusB
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 4:14 am | Permalink

    Female directors not necessary translate into better female characters and more female friendly story. McLaren involvement in the Breaking Bad did not changed the fact it was very masculine show revolving around two guys. Skyler was very passive character (and very much hated by many rabid BB fans for obviously mysogynistic reasons) and two Jesse´s girlfriends had one simple character arc – to die to give Jesse some manpain.

    Compared to that GoT is very feministic, with plenty of female characters struggling against a patriarchal society. Those characters are as much developed as male characters and have as much importance to the story. I really dislike when the show that treat male and female characters equally is ignorantly criticised for being mysogynistic.

  115. Isabelle
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    Morna the Witch:

    I wonder if Jon’s stabbing will happen in ep 9 or maybe later early in season 6?Quite a lot needs to happen before that, including Stannis offering Winterfell to Jon (I hope to the gods they put that in), Jon denying it, becoming LC, bonding with Mel, beheading Janos, letting the wildlings through the Wall and making his “mistakes”. There will probably be a substantial amount of focus on Samwell too.

    I think it has to. As you say, there’s too much on the table for them to off him early on, and that doesn’t even take into consideration the material for other characters! And Jon’s going to die…he’s just going to come back. : )

    It’ll be interesting to see if D&D keep Sam at the Wall or do indeed send him off to Braavos/Oldtown. Either are possible, though I’d hate to miss Sam’s travels with Aemon, particularly Aemon’s “I dreamed I was old.” Peter Vaughan is going to absolutely kill us with that line if they keep it in (and honestly, it doesn’t necessarily have to be in the same context as the book, so even if Sam remains at the Wall, we might still get it).

  116. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Pau Soriano,

    The shooting schedule for GoT is pretty taxing and they did it for years in a row (2 for Michelle, 3 for Alik). Like Alex Graves they’re taking a break. David Nutter took one last year.

    Really? Nice to hear, I hope they’re back next year…I specially loved Alik episodes last season

  117. vlad
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    Nutter, Slovis and Podeswa are all great, Mylod and Sapochnik??? Not so much, looking at their work so far. Wasn’t Podeswa supposed to direct Blackwater?

  118. King DBC
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 5:32 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    That’s just absurd. You should take a look outside of your privileged comfort zone, to where women deal with things far less trivial than ‘there’s no female director/writer on my favorite TV show’.

  119. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    King DBC:
    Ours is the Fury,

    That’s just absurd. You should take a look outside of your privileged comfort zone, to where women deal with things far less trivial than ‘there’s no female director/writer on my favorite TV show’.

    I’m sorry but that argument is not really relevant here. We’re talking about the television show. There’s always far more serious shit going on (for example in Gaza atm palestinians are getting slaughtered) but that’s not a valid argument because if not we could not argue about anything.

    In my case I’ll miss McClaren because she was an excelent director, and I won’t miss Taylor because I didn’t like her writing. But I think it’s a fair point to raise that we’ve lost somehow a certain degree of female perspective

  120. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: I’m sorry but that argument is not really relevant here. We’re talking about the television show. There’s always far more serious shit going on (for example in Gaza atm palestinians are getting slaughtered) but that’s not a valid argument because if not we could not argue about anything.

    Slaughtered is a strong word. But it does fucking suck that their terrorist “goverment” is using them as human shields.

  121. smitzzz
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    Totally offtopic but den of geek have put together a great article showing the visual effects work from series one through to series 4 here , well worth a watch – http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/game-of-thrones/31311/saluting-game-of-thrones-visual-effects

  122. Morna the Witch
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Isabelle

    That’s why I wonder if said stabbing might not be better left say, for early season 6 as an unexpected twist. Except if it can be dramatic enough for an episode niner.

    I’m with you on Jon physically dying but coming back :) There is an awesome theory over at the Ice and Fire forums that proposes the mechanics of Jon’s death and possible resurrection and how it is actually being foreshadowed throughout the whole series, but Ghost will have to be sacrificed in the process. It has to do with blood sacrifice, but he will literally come back as JonGhost and not as undead. This might be one of the reasons why LS also did not appear. If dead Starks start coming back too often it will start becoming cheap and repetitive. the theory is called the Jon/Ghost/ Ice cell theory I believe.

  123. Joe Frost
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Not going to miss Graves one bit but I think I will Marshall and possibly Maclaren.

    On the subject of female directors, will people please just get over it. If gender really doesn’t matter then stop throwing your toys out of the pram when they’ve not got a female director. Claiming that women are needed for a female perspective is as stupid as saying men are needed for a male one. GRRM ( you know they guy who wrote the books) managed to write fantastic female characters despite his apparent gender handicap.
    Start judging people on what they produce not what’s between their legs. To claim gender shouldn’t matter and then moaning about too many male directors ( maybe they just picked the directors that they thought would fit this season better regardless of gender?) is very hypocritical.

  124. Joe Frost
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    jentario: Slaughtered is a strong word. But it does fucking suck that their terrorist “goverment” is using them as human shields.

    I suggest this conversation end now as it can go nowhere but to sh*t.

  125. Tatters
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Everyone is happy to see Graves go because of the rape issue right?

  126. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Joe Frost,

    A good suggestion

  127. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Tatters,

    I wouldn’t say I want him to go forever, but there’s definitely a lesson to be learned from this both to him and D&D. He was a rather good director, all things considered.

  128. Joe Frost
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Tatters,

    That’s the most obvious reason but I think his handling of what could be incredible scenes has been very average. In fact, I think the last episode of the season was more of a reason than the “rape” incident. Also I don’t think he’s up to the same standard technically as the rest of the directors.

  129. Dragonslayer
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    Joe Frost,

    His season 3 episodes were both perfect and the purple wedding was beautifully shot. His other season 4 work was more average which may be because he had too many episodes this year. However, I don’t recall any scene that was really bad either apart from the wight attack.

  130. Joe Frost
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Dragonslayer,

    I remember most of his season 3 stuff being average. The purple wedding was good but I think the acting and Jack Gleeson in paticular were what made it. There were numerous scenes in the last episode that I thought could have been done a lot better. The most prominent being the Tyrion/Tywin scene. For one of the most important events in the storyline I thought it was remarkably underwhelming.

  131. Isabelle
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Morna the Witch:

    That’s why I wonder if said stabbing might not be better left say, for early season 6 as an unexpected twist. Except if it can be dramatic enough for an episode niner.

    I think Jon’s ADWD material will be kept to one season. If they’re serious about seven seasons, Jon will have to be up and kicking by Season 6, if even a minuscule amount of the theories or speculation about his storyline is true. My bet is he dies in Episode 9 and Episode 10 sees him lying around in an ice cell and then reborn from his funeral pyre.

    If that’s indeed the direction that GRRM is heading, however, that would be rather ridiculously spoilery for Book Six…would D&D truly go there? I guess if the story called for it??

    Morna the Witch:

    I’m with you on Jon physically dying but coming back :) There is an awesome theory over at the Ice and Fire forums that proposes the mechanics of Jon’s death and possible resurrection and how it is actually being foreshadowed throughout the whole series, but Ghost will have to be sacrificed in the process. It has to do with blood sacrifice, but he will literally come back as JonGhost and not as undead. This might be one of the reasons why LS also did not appear. If dead Starks start coming back too often it will start becoming cheap and repetitive. the theory is called the Jon/Ghost/ Ice cell theory I believe.

    That’s a great bit of insight about LS’s absence. The decision to cut her was probably due to far more banal reasons like the interviews with Graves etc keep suggesting, but it’s an intriguing consideration. TWD: Stark edition!

    There’s definitely some eerie something’s-gonna-rise-from-flames foreshadowing in the books. Might be completely metaphorical, might not be. Until the book or show tell us otherwise, I’m keeping my horse firmly hitched to Jon being a sort of dragon egg that needs heat to birth.

    And Ghost had better live!! I sincerely hope his only involvement in the aftermath of the stabbing will be to host Jon for a bit and then to munch on some mutineers and allies of Selyse. If there’s any blood sacrifice involved, I think it’ll be a Greyjoy or, alas, Shireen.

  132. Flora Linden
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Thank you, Daniellica. You said it better (and more diplomatically) than I would have.

    (I am female and a minority and all for diversity, but this is starting to become some required political correctness meme. Like if you don’t automatically follow it, then there’s something obviously wrong with you.)

  133. Mr Fixit
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Tatters:
    Everyone is happy to see Graves go because of the rape issue right?

    Meh. Bandwagony PC nonsense. The guy’s a good director. Just because he said that the scene in question wasn’t (intended as) rape, he’s being crucified as a misogynist pig who doesn’t know first thing about anything.

  134. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    I understand why they need a good number of directors, but I hope it doesn’t cut into the narrative flow. last year was a bit choppy, in my opinion. The throughlines were not explored. It felt more like big gotcha set pieces, laced with occasional filler scenes.

    Also, lack of a female director….I’m going to say it again, but I feel this show is turning into Game of Bros. I expect a lot of Tits on parade.

  135. Steve
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    John M W:
    You guys kill me.

    Why did you ignore the second half of my post, where I clearly stated even IF it was true it won’t matter because they’ll still be on set and the quality won’t dip? I understand it was just to make your point and try to lump me in with D&D haters, but I’m not, as personified by the second half of my post that you left out, intentionally.

  136. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Daniellica: There just are not that many of them, relatively speaking. Specifically speaking, I’d rather D&D hire the best directors for the given episodes than to go out of their way to hire women that aren’t a good fit. Once we support and allow and demand more women be given the opportunity to direct, once there are more female directors with the experience and passion and talent capable of creating hours for this kind of show, the more you’ll see women adding their voices to the production of so much awesome.

    It seems to me some of Fury’s point (and if not, well, it’s the point I’ll make) is this issue exactly – that it’s more an issue of development of talent, and that by this time you’d think there’d be more women that had broken into being an AD or a DP for a while that then leads to directing assignments. GoT doesn’t need female directors just to bring a “woman’s touch” to the show, to act as den mother to D&D, or anything like that, and I agree with the majority of folk who say they miss Maclaren and not Vanessa Taylor so much. But it just goes more to the under-representation of women in Hollywood, for this show or many others, essentially.

    Sure, I do myself want the best for the job and am glad to see Podeswa and Slovis on board, and am interested in the sensibilities of the other new directors.

    GoT should be commended for having a number of really strong female characters, not just “moms and whores.” So there’s that. But I understand this sentiment, too. It’s 2014, y’know?

  137. Eor!
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    It’s pretty common, actually

  138. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    King DBC: That’s just absurd. You should take a look outside of your privileged comfort zone, to where women deal with things far less trivial than ‘there’s no female director/writer on my favorite TV show’.

    1. You have no idea how much or how little privilege I have, since you don’t know me. But popular media always matters, and people across the world watch GoT. Yes, even in countries at war.

    2. As Pau said, there is always more serious shit going on in the world than the show, but that’s doesn’t matter when it comes to us discussing this. We would never debate *anything* at WiC if it was required to be as important as serious matters in the world.

    The only purpose of your response is to try and make me shut up and that’s certainly not going to happen.

  139. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Tatters:
    Everyone is happy to see Graves go because of the rape issue right?

    For a fandom that appreciates GRRM’s grey world and characters, some can be remarkably black and white!

    People contain multitudes, and may have a number of reasons for having an opinion. Personally, I’m not a huge fan of Graves’ directing style, including his choices for shot composition and pace. IMO, Sakharov and Maclaren are masters of subtlety in comparison. That’s why I’m glad for him to be taking the season off. The rape scene was unfortunate, but has little to do with my criticism of Graves.

  140. Wonks Anonymous
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    On True Detective, one director only worked cause it was focused mainly on only two characters, thus making it impossible to shoot different scenes at the same time, but on GoT it’s impossible !

    Even with True Detective they have no plans to repeat that feat again.

    Ours is the Fury: There are plenty of female writers and directors out there. I wish they would have made an effort to mix it up a little for season five.

    I’m not an expert and don’t have numbers at hand, but my impression is that female writers are more common in TV than directors. Plus, as you mentioned, it’s not really the job of directors to correct bad writing (although I do blame Alex Graves for abysmally failing to convey the scene he claims he was shooting).

  141. Matt Sinopoli
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    It’s a shame Michelle MacLaren isn’t returning this season but I’m really excited that they added Michael Slovis. I home MacLaren will be available for season 6.

    It’s interesting that each director gets back to back episodes this season instead of breaking some of them up. I think that’s a smart move.

  142. John M W
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    People keep saying that Graves screwed up the sept scene. It’s simply not true. You guys keep basing this off the one interview he gave where he put his foot in his mouth and said it turned consensual by the end. But he gave other interviews where he said it was meant to be a rape.

    Not to mention the freaking showrunners stated on the Inside the Episode featurette that Jaime forced himself on Cersei.

    It was meant to be rape and was executed as such. Move on.

  143. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    John M W,

    Both the actors and Graves said it was meant to look consensual in the end

  144. John M W
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    *sigh* Never mind, I’m going to go through all this again.

    I’ve posted links in the past, pointing to interviews where Graves says otherwise, etc. But you guys insist on leaning on the one interview he gave.

    Regardless of what the actors said in interviews, if David & Dan intended the scene to be rape – which they clearly did (in the Inside the Episode, they call it “horrific”, saying “Jaime forces himself on her”), then all of that is moot.

    But enough is enough. I’m so tired of correcting everybody on this.

  145. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    John M W,

    The issue is that Graves had no idea what he was filming in that scene. In one interview he says it’s rape, and in another he says it was consensual (which is apparently what he told the actors when directing). D&D know the scene is rape but Graves bounced back and forth on the matter.

    With a scene this sensitive, he should have known better.

  146. John M W
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Hollywood Reporter Interview:

    Tywin is really going on about this historical stuff, and you slowly start to go, “He’s kidnapping her only boy,” because she’s not going to have him anymore. And then he succeeds, and then Jaime comes in and he rapes her. That was like — you read the scene and go, “Wait, who’s directing this?”

    Quite honestly, I think it’s clear that people were tripping over their own words in some of the post episode interviews because, quite honestly, fans lost their sh** over the scene. But the scene was written, shot, and edited as a rape. Benioff’s comments make this clear, as does this interview with Graves.

    What exactly are you all really upset about? The execution of the scene, or the content of his responses in a certain interview(s)? Because everybody makes stupid statements in interviews sooner or later. It’s inevitable.

  147. Greenjones
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Tatters,

    He’s not going anywhere. He’s taking a break because of how hard he worked on s3 and 4. I don’t doubt that he’ll return for s6 and I’m glad of that. Everyone online seems to have forgotten he did “And Now His Watch is Ended” and “Kissed by Fire”, which were some of the best of s3. His s4 episodes were on par IMO and I never understood the furor over his interviews. One could argue that taking on four episodes may be too many and that his talent was stretched thin, but I thought “the Lion and the Rose”, “Breaker of Chains”, “the Mountain and the Viper” and “the Children” were all top notch episodes.

  148. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    John M W,

    I’m not in the slightest upset, I’m just saying that he had no idea what he was talking about in half of the interviews and the actors whom he directed didn’t either- it was rape, plain and simple. No consensuality to find in it.

    And he also screwed up that LS interview in my opinion by spouting shit about that element in the books. I kind of lost respect for him there.

  149. kisses
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    unpopular opinion: I liked the Cersei/Jamie scene and it was actually pretty close to the books. Seemed forceful, but not rape. “It’s not right” was about where they were and it shows Jamie’s internal struggle with loving Cersei.

  150. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    I’ll be happy when he returns in season 6, hopefully with less episodes to cover (4 was insane). With that said, I’m also happy to have a break from him in season 5.

  151. Morna the Witch
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle

    They could also end Jon’s adwd storyline at the end of 6 at the earliest and leave it hanging on a massive cliff hanger (like the book, lol) to avoid possible major spoilers. But alas, that means a lot of cutting, but if it works, then fine.

    I never red Alex Graves’s interviews about why LS was cut, wanted to avoid the whole thing actually. I’m convinced there are practical reasons and mine’s just an added suggestion.

    You put the hatching dragon egg very well. The symbolism of Ghost as possibly dying strengthens this, as the wolf part of Jon may need to die to let Jon the Dragon be reborn. Theon, Shereen and even Mel herself are the other possibilities

  152. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    John M W,

    And he also screwed up that LS interview in my opinion by spouting shit about that element in the books. I kind of lost respect for him there.

    Newsflash, he’s allowed to not like LS. Not everyone like that element of the books. Big deal.

  153. Daniellica
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: It seems to me some of Fury’s point (and if not, well, it’s the point I’ll make) is this issue exactly – that it’s more an issue of development of talent, and that by this time you’d think there’d be more women that had broken into being an AD or a DP for a while that then leads to directing assignments. GoT doesn’t need female directors just to bring a “woman’s touch” to the show, to act as den mother to D&D, or anything like that, and I agree with the majority of folk who say they miss Maclaren and not Vanessa Taylor so much. But it just goes more to the under-representation of women in Hollywood, for this show or many others, essentially.
    Sure, I do myself want the best for the job and am glad to see Podeswa and Slovis on board, and am interested in the sensibilities of the other new directors.
    GoT should be commended for having a number of really strong female characters, not just “moms and whores.” So there’s that. But I understand this sentiment, too. It’s 2014, y’know?

    DP is even harder for women to break into, in part because AC and other assisting jobs are so physical in nature (which is not to say women cannot do physical jobs–on the contrary–but men in a “man’s” industry often assume as such), and also because DPs and their supporting crew tend to work together when they find the folks they like, making a career already male-dominated also quite insular.

    Historically, the roles women were allowed to play in the film industry include: editor, script supervisor, makeup, wardrobe, various secretaries and assistants. Women were not even considered for director, DP, or producer for the majority of the industry’s existence. Women broke into writing far earlier than the other roles, in part because there is less resistance to women engaging in forms of art considered more “low-brow,” such as with the history of the novel (when poetry was the high art), and then the short story (when the novel was the high art), and then poetry (once it dropped out of favor).

    It would be fabulous if the DGA would sponsor a drive to cultivate female directors. Perhaps they already have; I no longer pay attention. But it does not surprise me that the quantity is still so low. Yes, it is 2014, and there is seriously a controversial struggle over birth control. Women still earn less than men. Victims of rape are still blamed for being raped, and “slut-shaming” isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. In an industry as dominated by men as that of film, women will have to, sadly, slowly but surely prove themselves.

    Wonks Anonymous: I’m not an expert and don’t have numbers at hand, but my impression is that female writers are more common in TV than directors. Plus, as you mentioned, it’s not really the job of directors to correct bad writing (although I do blame Alex Graves for abysmally failing to convey the scene he claims he was shooting).

    There are indeed more female writers in television than there are directors or DPs or producers, probably combined, and more in TV than in film. The impression I get from the writing on GoT is, however, that they stick to a very solid core of writers–GRRM, D&D, and the trusted assistants D&D rely on (like Bcog). I don’t think it has anything to do with excluding women or including boobs, and can say as a woman with screenwriting experience that if I were ever to write an episode of this show, I would write as many boobs as were necessary.

    And a director cannot improve bad writing. There is a saying that “a film cannot be better than its script.” Bad direction/acting/editing can screw up good writing, however.

    I just don’t see the claims of misogyny leveled at D&D or this show in general. Because some people are so uptight about seeing tits? Because rape is depicted as the horror it is? Because domestic abuse is shown to have complex and conflicting emotional layers? Because the female director from last season is directing something else this season? Come on now. There is enough actual misogyny in the world to combat; must we invent more?

  154. jentario
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    I am aware he can not like it, and clearly D&D don’t like it which is fine (even though I disagree), but the way he said it was IMO unprofessional.

  155. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Agreed, it was very unprofessional. It basically shamed anyone who does find that particular element of the story compelling. I found it compelling and will miss it, and I certainly don’t appreciate Graves’ dumbed-down distillation of what I think that character represents and offers to GRRM’s dense world.

    LS is not stumbling about groaning ‘braaaaaaains’.

  156. Dragons125
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to see what some “fresh Blood” aka new directors will bring to the mix. Who knows, maybe one of these guys will be the new “favorite” after next season :)

  157. Randi Shamsabadi Howard
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t McLaren gonna be working on Better Call Saul?

    And I just wanna throw out there that Masters of Sex has a female show-runner and even gender split in the writers room. Not sure about the gender breakdown of directors, but to say all film is a boys club and that’s just the way of things is a crock. It can be done if the powers that be want it done and make it so.

    Masters kicks so much ass and has WAY more boobs then GOT. I hate comparing the two usually because to me they are different animals, only similar in that they are adaptations of books, and the fantasy show is staying true to the fantasy book material while the show about real people is taking a lot of dramatic liberties from the biography. Funny how that works. Even that aside, I think both shows produce well written female characters and both pass the Bechdel test nearly every episode.

    So for me, it’s doesn’t make much of a difference until it does…here is where I echo folks and say that a room full of white middle aged men, no matter how talented and feminist, are not gonna have as diverse a voice as one that includes others to the table simply bebecause they are stunted in their knowledge of others’ experiences. This isn’t their fault, they are not automatically misogynists for this, but because of this narrowed perspective, there will be misogynistic (and racist and homophobic) mistakes made, of which you will probably never see the likes of on Masters. We are talking about the show that made sexposition a thing.

  158. AD
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Mister Stoneheart:
    It basically shamed anyone who does find that particular element of the story compelling.

    No, it didn’t. People need to stop reading 10,000 times more into statements than is actually there.

  159. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica: I just don’t see the claims of misogyny leveled at D&D or this show in general. Because some people are so uptight about seeing tits? Because rape is depicted as the horror it is? Because domestic abuse is shown to have complex and conflicting emotional layers? Because the female director from last season is directing something else this season? Come on now. There is enough actual misogyny in the world to combat; must we invent more?

    I think the majority of commenters here were actually not leveling charges of misogyny…just more about the lack of opportunity. You make some good points on why that is not the case.

  160. King Stannis
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    AD,

    I agree. It is a great Holy Shit moment in the books with LS but it general it is not needed. I cannot picture what the end of it will be. Die, resurrect and die again? Stupid. It might work with other characters but not her, Even if she lives the series she’s basically cracked out and cannot speak. I see why GRRM regret that part of the story and didn’t give her much as he cannot think what to do with it.

    Alex Grave did a good job directing and instead a praise it was negative because a character didn’t show. Did anybody stop to think that maybe they want to save her for next season since they need more highlight. I mean it’s not like they’ve been following order of the books, material of AFFC and ADWD was use for the previous season.

  161. DJ Sunspear
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the female directors issue, Lesli Linka Glatter or Patty Jenkins would be great fits for the show. As for female writers, I never understood why they haven’t brought back Jane Espenson after her stellar assist on “A Golden Crown” in Season 1. Speaking of which, director-wise, what about Daniel Minahan?

  162. Daniellica
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: I think the majority of commenters here were actually not leveling charges of misogyny…just more about the lack of opportunity. You make some good points on why that is not the case.

    I know :) It is just often implied or led to that arena, especially for those who think it was an intentional exclusion of women.

    Randi Shamsabadi Howard: Not sure about the gender breakdown of directors, but to say all film is a boys club and that’s just the way of things is a crock. It can be done if the powers that be want it done and make it so.

    Except directors are specifically what this discussion is about, and film is not an ALL boys club, but it is still very much a male majority, especially in positions mentioned above, such as direction, cinematography, and even producers (though there are more female producers than the former two, and more all the time, thank the seven). There are also more female writers in television, as discussed above.

    I’d still rather have the right people at the helm than the token assignment of women, just to hire women, unless, of course, those women are the right people for the job, which more and more are. One example of a show run by women does not level the field, however, and a show run by men does not mean they are willfully excluding women. There are some badass women working on this show, from the cast to the formidable costume and set designs, the incomparable Nina Gold, and of course the MacLaren in question.

  163. House Ray
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    I have a personal rule of thumb from my stage theater experience that is as follows:

    70% Writing
    20% Acting
    10% Directing

    That’s what makes a great play, movie, episode, scene. It is timeless and true – It all starts with writing and plot. Even shitty actors can do well in a great fucking story. All parts can ruin it, but holy Jesus does the weight lay with the text!

  164. Randi Shamsabadi Howard
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Yeah…I get all that. I’m just making a case for female representation by comparing and contrasting two shows, neither of which were meant to represent the end all be all of including females for including females or boys club. A long way of trying to say what Greatjon (heeeeeyyyy) said about it not being a matter misogyny as it is one of representation. Yes, there are more male than female directors in general. Does not make the females any less fitting or hireable. But we ARE talking about just directors I guess and I’m too lazy to look up the Masters roster and I’m not in film school or anything super cool so it’s all moot anyway so whatever rooble dooble dingle dongle pbbbt.

  165. AnneMarie Bowman
    Posted July 17, 2014 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos:
    Completely off-topic, and a spoiler, but I don’t know where else to share this theory/ possible epiphany:

    I was re-reading the lead up to the stabbing of Jon Snow, and realized that Ghost was acting strangely toward him, including growling. Then I got to thinking about the Mance glamor that Melisandre put on Rattleshirt, and I thought: Could that have just been a glamor of Jon Snow that was stabbed, put on someone else (perhaps Mance)? And could the Mance in Winterfell actually be Jon Snow, with a Mance glamor on him?

    I haven’t seen this theory anywhere, and so wanted to check with others here…

    I have discussed the Glamour theory here in this forum, the summer the book came out. it’s the theory I came up with and I’m sticking to it. I don’t like the “Warg into ghost” OR Resurrection theories at all. I think Jon is already marching south to join Stanis by the time whoever’s body that was got stabbed. probably his new Squire.

    I don’t know how I came up with it. Like you, it was an epiphany I just had. (and the fact that I absolutely REFUSE to believe he’s dead.) Had something to do with the previous chapter where he meets with Melisandre,right before he’s set to go address the Watch and how she glamoured Rattleshirt earlier in the book, that made me think of it.

  166. LM Stewart
    Posted July 17, 2014 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    I really hope I did the spoilers correctly.

    I’ve been reading the interesting ideas about what you think is going to happen with Jon. The thing is, everyone is discussing how much of ADWD they’re going to use in the best season. But what about AFFC? It’s an entirely separate book with way too much to read and interesting reveals that seen pointless but help with future revelations. So the stabbing may not be until episode nine of the 2016 season since it’s one of the last things you read in ADWD. Just a thought.

  167. Turncloak
    Posted July 17, 2014 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    LM Stewart,

    No way that gets delayed to season 6. There are only planning on shooting 7 seasons. They need to progress the story forward fast

  168. LM Stewart
    Posted July 17, 2014 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Except we haven’t seen WW for five books. That’s all new storyline for the tv show. A war with them would keep the story going rather well. And with several deaths at the Wall that didn’t happen in the books, some of which are the ones that are supposed to betray Jon, we’ve already deviated enough that there’s all kinds of things they could do up there.

  169. Turncloak
    Posted July 17, 2014 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    LM Stewart,

    The stabbing of Jon is pretty major moment in book 5. Since D&D have stated in an interview that they will cover most of Dance I highly doubt that they will push Jon’s betrayal that deep into season 6. (the interview is the same one in which they state Jaime will get a jetpack).

  170. Arash
    Posted July 18, 2014 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Season 1 was the best in terms of everything including directors! They had the best directors, just bring those guys back …

  171. Chickenduck
    Posted July 18, 2014 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    LM Stewart,

    Book 6 will involve confirmation that what we saw with the baby becoming a WW is also book canon, just the time of reveal is different.

    Jon will be stabbed at the end of the S5. I’d bet on it.

    From that point on, I’m not sure, but I’m guessing that S6 and TWOW will both start with Mel resurrecting him. This part is obvious enough – the show made it even more obvious with Mel visiting Thoros in the Riverlands. But next… Maybe the horn of winter will finally be blown, and the wall will collapse, setting up the WW invasion of Westeros.

  172. LM Stewart
    Posted July 18, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    So what all of you think is that book three got two seasons, but books four and five will be combined into one season. That seems excessive. We still have to establish the entire world of the Sand Snakes and the circumstances of Myrcella’s murder attempt. There’s the temple Arya goes to and her experiences, which cause her to be blind at the end of the fourth book. There’s still the somewhat fruitless journey that leads to the death of Aemon. There’s the river journey for Tyrion, in which he meets what appears to possibly be another Targaryen. There’s the ambitious kid who thinks he’s a dragon rider who is trying to get Daenerys’ attention and gets himself melted (for some reason I can’t remember his name right now). I just can’t see them throwing all that away so we can see one scene from the end of book five.

  173. LM Stewart
    Posted July 18, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    And all of that was just book 4. And they’ve announced the Spain location already for the Myrcella storyline.

    It would be a waste to throw am entire book away because people want to see what they’ve most recently read.

  174. Azor Asshai
    Posted July 19, 2014 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    LM Stewart:
    So what all of you think is that book three got two seasons, but books four and five will be combined into one season. That seems excessive. We still have to establish the entire world of the Sand Snakes and the circumstances of Myrcella’s murder attempt. There’s the temple Arya goes to and her experiences, which cause her to be blind at the end of the fourth book. There’s still the somewhat fruitless journey that leads to the death of Aemon. There’s the river journey for Tyrion, in which he meets what appears to possibly be another Targaryen. There’s the ambitious kid who thinks he’s a dragon rider who is trying to get Daenerys’ attention and gets himself melted (for some reason I can’t remember his name right now). I just can’t see them throwing all that away so we can see one scene from the end of book five.

    No one “thinks” this is going to happen–they know it is. It might seem “excessive” to you, but it’s a fact. Why did you just conveniently ignore what Turncloak said, about D&D outright stating they’ll cover virtually all of Dance? There is no ambiguity there.

    This has nothing to do with people “wanting to see what they’ve most recently read” and everything to do with the show staying on schedule and finishing the story, as HBO has made clear they will time and time again. The show will only have 20 episodes left after Season 5, to tell two more (presumably) huge unfinished books worth of material.

    In other words, they’re not going to drag out AFFC and ADWD for more than a season because they CAN’T. Not unless you think very little happens in the final two books, anyway–a ludicrous thought considering the insane amount of plot threads that need to be tied up.

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