New cast members for Game of Thrones Season 5 announced!
By Lightbringer on in Casting, News.

The drought is over! As expected, we received a flood of casting news at the Game of Thrones panel at San Diego Comic-Con. The panel kicked off with a video introducing us to the new cast! Watch the video below on repeat:

Here is a full breakdown of our new cast members:

Alexander Siddig as Doran Martell

Doran Martell is the ruling lord of Dorne and older brother to the late Prince Oberyn Martell. Unlike his brother, Doran is even-tempered and deliberate. Now, all of Dorne waits to see how their lord will react to his brother’s death.

Alexander Siddig is a Sudanese-born English actor. He is best known for his role of Dr. Julian Bashir in the hit television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, as well as Prince Nasir Al-Subaai in Syriana, and as Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani in Kingdom of Heaven.

Toby Sebastian as Trystane Martell

Trystane Martell is Prince Doran’s son and heir to Dorne. His father betrothed him to Myrcella Baratheon as part of the alliance offered by Tywin Lannister, then Hand of the King.

Toby Sebastian is a musician and actor hailing from Oxford. He as last seen in the sci-fi fantasy After the Dark and will appear later this year in Barely Lethal alongside Sophie Turner.

Nell Tiger Free as Myrcella Baratheon

Myrcella Baratheon is officially the eldest child of Cersei Lannister and the late King Robert Baratheon, though in truth her father is Cersei’s own brother, Jaime Lannister. For years, she has been a guest and ward of Prince Doran, betrothed to his son, but her position has become tenuous with the death of Oberyn Martell, the Prince’s brother.

Nell Tiger Free is best known for her starring as Chloe in the BBC adaptation of Mr. Stink, and also recently guest-starred on an episode of the crime series Endeavour.

DeObia Oparei as Areo Hotah

Areo Hotah is the long-serving captain of Doran Martell’s palace guard, renowned for his loyalty and his longaxe.

DeObia Oparei is a Londo born actor and playwright. He is best know for his role as Gunner in Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides, and can be seen as Thundarian in the comedy Your Highness.

Enzo Cilenti as Yezzan

Yezzan was an extremely wealthy slave trader before Daenerys Targaryen outlawed the slave trade.

Enzo Cilenti is an English actor born to Italian parents. He has had an established career in theatre, has also directed a short film, and is currently producing his first feature length movie. He appeared in Kick-Ass 2, and will have a role in Guardians of the Galaxy.

Jessica Henwick as Nymeria (“Nym”) Sand

Nym Sand is the second eldest of the late Prince Oberyn’s bastard daughters. Her mother was an Eastern noblewoman who brought Nym up to be cultured, graceful and deadly with a whip.

Jessica Henwick is an English born actress. She is best know for her role as Bo in the television series Spirit Warriors, and Amy Lang in Silk.

Rosabell Laurenti Sellers as Tyene Sand

Tyene Sand is the daughter of the late Prince Oberyn Martell by Ellaria Sand, his final paramour. Tyene is fiercer than she looks, especially with her twin daggers.

Rosabell Laurenti Sellers is an Italian actress who was born in Santa Monica. She made her Broadway debut at the age of 8 in , and soon after moved to Rome with her family. She appeared in 2010’s The Whistleblower alongside Liam Cunningham, and recently starred in the television series Mia and Me.

Keisha Castle-Hughes as Obara Sand

A fearsome warrior, Obara Sand is the eldest bastard daughter of the late Prince Oberyn Martell. Her mother was a Dornish peasant girl who caught the eye of the late Prince.

Keisha Castle-Hughes is a New Zealand actress who received an Academy Award nomination in 2004 for her role as Pai in the film Whale Rider. She was rumored to have joined the cast earlier this month, it’s great to have confirmation!

Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow

A devout and pious man, the High Sparrow came to King’s Landing to serve those forgotten by much of the world – the poor, the downtrodden and the infirm – and quickly amassed a large following. His fellow believers have swarmed over the city, ministering to the lowest and decrying the corruption of the highest.

Jonathan Pryce is an accomplished Welsh stage and film actor. He made his breakthrough performance in the cult film Brazil, and has since appeared in many high profile films including Evita, Tomorrow Never Dies, and Pirates of the Caribbean.

 

What a great day! What does everyone think of the choices?


465 Comments

  1. yomahmaful
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Yes!!!!!!!!!Siddig!!!!!!!

  2. Matt
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    And still no Arianne. Welp.

  3. Grynthaline
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Oh my god they did not just do that. They did not just erase Arianne Martell as heir to Dorne and replaced her with Trystane. I have no words.

  4. Lord of Castamere
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    WOW !

  5. SirSquinty
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    JONATHAN PRYCE!!!!!!

  6. Mike
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Kind of sad about that recasting…. The rest look solid though, but where is Arianne!

  7. Javi Marcos
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Arianne????

  8. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Pretty shocking that both Euron and Victarion have been cut. I thought we might at least get Euron. And it looks like the Sand Snakes and Ellaria will take the place of Arianne. And confirmed that Quentyn is cut too!

  9. Karolina
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    I do not like the choice for Nymeria… The rest are quite allright though

  10. spacechampion
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    “next year’s Guardians of the Galaxy.” GOTG is coming out next week actually.

    Pryce is a great choice for the High Sparrow!

  11. dragonreborn
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    isn’t alexander siddig in davincis demons?

  12. Geoff Collins
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    If they are cutting all the Iron Island stuff and Arianne… I just.. I dunno.

  13. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    and will have a role in next year’s Guardians of the Galaxy.

    Next year? I can’t wait that long. How about next week?

  14. Crozyr
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Neither Arianne nor Quentyn.
    Not to mention any of the Greyjoys. Oh Well.

    The new cast members seem great, though! Love the casting for Doran and the High Sparrow.

  15. Hargungeet Singh
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    I think the big name is confirmation. HS=HR.

  16. Chuchulf
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    WHERE ARE THE GREYJOYS??????

  17. Glr99
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Ugh Myrcella- A tear for darling Aimee.

    Otherwise….
    Alexander Siddig! OMG amazing.
    But the sand snakes…
    Obara is too pretty.
    Tyene and Nym are too ugly.
    But Pedro turned out to be a dream so I place my faith in the make-up department and their fake-tan and eye-liner.

  18. Ashara D
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    WHERE IS ARIANNE?? :( Combined with one of the Sand Snakes??

    I imagined Doran as…bloatier, if you get what I mean. Not fat, but formerly powerful and now softer with the inactivity forced by his disease, like an ex-football player (American football, that is.)

  19. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan Pryce!!!! F*ck yeah!!!!

  20. House Farwynd
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    So, Princess Arianne and Ser Arys Oakheart to be announced late?

  21. vlad
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    So yes, they just cut Arianne!!! I don’t want to sound harsh, but to me that’s unforgivable.

    (The rest of the cast is great, even the Sand Snakes, but at the moment I just don’t care)

  22. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan Pryce will make an EXCELLENT High Sparrow! He does weird and creepy very well.

  23. FrYo
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    No Edward James Olmos. This man is sad.

  24. Sean C.
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Toby Sebastian is a bit of an odd casting choice just based on skin tone, but maybe Sophie put in the good word for him, since they were in Barely Lethal together.

  25. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    So in the show, will Trystane still seduce Aerys Oakheart? Joking, clearly Ellaria or an elder Sand Snake will do that.

    Still can’t believe there are no Greyjoy uncles…

  26. aetherene
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    So they’re cutting out Arianne and Quentyn? Because Trystane is NOT the heir to Dorne. Arianne is. Trystane is the youngest, and they’re making him way older in the show.

  27. Ser Bro
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    So I should probably just go ahead and accept the fact that there will be no Greyjoy / Kingsmoot storyline in the show, right? Okay cool. Whatever.

  28. LordStarkington
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    The posting from HBO clearly states this is only SOME of the new characters to come. Some of you need to get a grip.

  29. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    As the description says, Trystane is the heir to Dorne in the show. That means Arianne and Quentyn are cut.

  30. froyoboyo
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    I guess I’ll still hold out hope that they aren’t done casting, because this list leaves a lot to be desired (as far as characters, not actors)

  31. Tony
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Yuck. I hate that recast so so very much…
    Dorne storyline has been ruined for me. Also no Arianne… I was really looking forward to it but these two decisions i cant possibly approve of.

  32. Grynthaline
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    House Farwynd,

    No, she is definitely cut. If you read Trystane’s character description, it says he IS heir to Dorne. Fuck that on many levels.

  33. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    vlad:
    So yes, they just cut Arianne!!! I don’t want to sound harsh, but to me that’s unforgivable.

    I wouldn’t count on this being a complete cast list for Season 5, last year they were releasing info all the way up to the end of filming.

  34. Federico Russo
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Is this going to be the definitive one?

    What about the Greyjoy and Manderly?

    What about Braavosi characters and “flashbacks” carachters?

  35. patethepigboy
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    They really cut the fat!

  36. Dwayne Roberts
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    wait wasnt myrcellas bethrotal tyrions plan and not tywin …. this is why ill miss the fantastic 4 …well for a week that is

    people crying about no arianne just because trystan has been called the heir to dorne need to chill this same post says myrcellas bethrotal was tywins doing … this is obviously a mistake by lightbringer who doesnt seem to be shedding much light anymore

  37. Alex
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Man, the Myrcella recasting bugs me.

  38. Dave
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, but I don’t know about some of these choices.

    And not even 1 Greyjoy? Not even 1?

    And there goes the thinking of many people that you’d see Bran flashbacks in this season.

  39. Nicholas
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Karolina, Yeah..neither do I.

  40. Josh
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Not worried about no Arienne. My guess is she is a BIG casting. All these will be guest stars and what not but she’ll be a new regular.

  41. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Ho boy… here comes the bitching. And then in a year “So-and-So was SO GREAT IN THAT PART! ALL THE FEELS!!!11111″

    Oh, and HODOR.

  42. House Mormont
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    I’d be sad about no Arianne except Trystane looks hot as hell

    No idea why they recast Myrcella tho what the hell she looked so much like Cersei’s daughter and she was so eager to come back

  43. Wildling
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    yep he plays the turk

    AND THIS IS THE BEST CASTING ANNOUNCEMENT SINCE NATALIE DORMER

  44. Jaqen is Q
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Alexander Siddig, YES!
    Jonathan Pryce, YES!

    Such good actors, well done! Hope to hear more casting news!

  45. RBloodworth
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Not crazy about Siddig, to be honest. I’ve just never been impressed with the guy as an actor. I didn’t want him as Oberyn, and I’m not sure he’s right for Doran either. I was thinking more along the lines of Alfred Molina or Georges Corraface, but, in Nina Gold I trust…

    Keisha Castle-Hughes is playing OBARA?! She’s WAY too femme for the character described in the books. When I pictured Obara, I had someone like Michelle Rodriguez in Girlfight or Lucia Rijker in Million Dollar Baby in mind. Also, I think we can call it official: both Quentyn and Arianne have been cut. I don’t think we’ll miss Arianne as much as some think we will (her role in the Queenmaker plot can easily be absorbed by the Sand Snakes and Ellaria), but you have to wonder what Doran’s master plan to seek revenge against the Lannisters will be now.

    I really hope this list isn’t complete, as I can’t imagine that ALL of the Greyjoys (you’d have to at least have Euron) or the Griffs have been cut. That would be a curious decision, at best.

  46. Johnny Camp
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    High Sparrow looks a little old to be Howland Reed no?

  47. The Ghost of Nymeria, of House Shaggydog, Breaker of Summer & Lady of the Grey Wind
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    He’d better. If they are seriously going to cut Arianne, they had better ******* commit to it. This is BS.

  48. scotty
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Josh,

    Please tell me what sense it would make to cast Arianne when Trystane has already been named the heir to Dorne by HBO?

  49. Sean C.
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Dwayne Roberts:
    people crying about no arianne just because trystan has been called the heir to dorne need to chill this same post says myrcellas bethrotal was tywins doing …

    That’s not a “mistake by Lightbringer”. It’s from the press release:

    http://hbob2b.vo.llnwd.net/u/mr_twitter/July2014/gameofthrones15_casting_ann.pdf

  50. JTargs
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Honestly could not be more thrilled about not having to see endless Dorne this season. So glad Arianne and Quentyn are cut but how are Arianne and Faegon going to take the throne…? Do we think Faegon will be cut? Seems like a good way to fit the show into seven seasons but theres zero point in introducing the mind numbingness and irrelevence that is Dorne unless Arianne is gonna hook up with Faegon and take KL. Hm. Also battle of meereen anyone? Pissed about no Vic!

  51. S
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    LordStarkington:
    The posting from HBO clearly states this is only SOME of the new characters to come. Some of you need to get a grip.

    You’re talking about a fanbase that took Michelle Fairley saying “She’s Dead” as meaning there wouldn’t be a Lady Stoneheart, what more did you expect from this lot? They’ll go off on this tangent until HBO says otherwise

  52. Gerr
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    And what about Aegon and Jon Connington? Are they cutting that entire storyline? The Greyjoys storyline as well? This is very disappointing to me…

  53. Joseph Trueblood
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Grynthaline:
    Oh my god they did not just do that. They did not just erase Arianne Martell as heir to Dorne and replaced her with Trystane. I have no words.

    Doran has disinherited Arrianne because of her initial secret betrothal to Viserys. I wouldn’t get upset over her. Quentyn on the other hand…

  54. Jenn
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    “Trystane Martell is Prince Doran’s son and heir to Dorne.”

    Wow. They really cut Arianne, a great character and an actual female heir in westeros…for Trystane. I don’t know why i’m so surprised since this is something right up D&D’s alley but jesus christ, really?

    Ridiculously happy that Alexander is Doran at least

  55. anthony johnson
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Yes trystane is heir to dorne, remember it was dorans plan to make him heir to dorne (causing arianne to freak) and then marry her off to Aegon. Maybe im wishing too much, but thats how I am reading it. Believe her casting will come later.

    Stoked for Siddig!

  56. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Since Trystane is betrothed to Myrcella, it makes much more sense for him to play Queenmaker. He’d be King of Westeros if successful. Arianne was doing it in the books because… feminism? This also makes me certain he’ll be sent to Meereen after the Queenmaker plot fails.

  57. House Mormont
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Oh wait yeah wasn’t Young Griff the most important announcement after Doran and Arianne? I understand cutting the Greyjoys but how are they gonna cut him? Do the Golden Company just evaporate in TWOW?

    (I know this isn’t the full casting but I assume the ones announced here are the big ones)

  58. Veltigar
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Pryce and Siddig are great additions to the cast. You’ll know they’ll elevate whatever material they get. I’m not very familiar with the actors playing Areo, Yezzan and Trystane but they’ll probablt be good + I’m liking that they’ll be deviating from the sourcematerial.

    Not so sure about the sand snake castings though. Obara is great (to pretty, but no one will complain about that), the others I’m not particularly feeling. I get that Tyene couldn’t be a blond like in the books, but they could have least picked someone more angelic like. Their choice for Nym is kind of strange, given the fact that GRRM told one actress (forgot her name, but she looked nothing like this actress) that she was how he pictured Nym in his head.

    But you know all in all what matters is their acting talent. If their good, no one cares what they look. Although even if Tyene is good, I’ll still be making Glee jokes (she really looks like one of the actresses on there).

  59. Phil
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    It makes ZERO sense to cut Arianne but keep the sand snakes. It’s not for budget reasons, since they could cut one sand snake for Arianne, it’s not for time, as the Sand snakes and Trystane are in the show. It makes even less sense to give a sand snake Arianne’s role.

    Hey, I would understand if they said “well it’s either Trystane or Quentyn because of budget/time reasons.” That would make sense (though it would be disappointing. But to cast three new minor roles, and cut a major role is stupid. Why not have one of the new actresses be Arianne. Just seems like D&D are making changes just for the sake of making changes. Hopefully Ariannne is still being cast, or else D&D are just being dumb. Hopefully the Greyjoys are coming or else I guess the dragon horn isn’t a big part of the story.

    Ok. Rant over. Really excited for Alexander Siddig as Doran! Wonder if they’ll keep the gout

  60. Hodoreo
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    The casting news is great and all, but why the heavy focus on Dorne? Why not show Euron as one of next seasons players? Tbh the show has made the Greyjoys pretty much irrelevant for 2 seasons now.
    Still hoping for Young Griff, JonCon, Victarion, Arianne and Quentyn? And cough Lady Stoneheart.

    Edit: Oh no. HBO said Trystane is heir to Dorne. WTF? No Arianne or Quentyn? You’ll cut major POVs but cast Areo and Trystane who isn’t even present in any chapters? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

  61. kyle
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Gerr:
    And what about Aegon and Jon Connington? Are they cutting that entire storyline?

    We can only hope.

  62. jacquesdor
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan Pryce is a great choice for High Sparrow.. and I imagine Siddig will please a few people. I don’t really know anything about the rest though (although I’ve seen some of The Almight Johnson’s so I’m sure I’ve seen Keisha Castle-Hughes at some point).

  63. RandomGoTfan
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    What, no Arianne. Bummer. At least the guy playing Trystane is hot.

  64. House Mormont
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    So excited for the High Sparrows storyline #emmyforLena

  65. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Folks, these statements are much more likely to be true than not: Lady Stoneheart is cut. Arianne is cut. Quentyn is cut. Victarion is cut. Euron is cut. Aegon is cut. Jon Con is cut.

  66. Steven
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Glr99:
    Ugh Myrcella- A tear for darling Aimee.

    Otherwise….
    Alexander Siddig! OMG amazing.
    But the sand snakes…
    Obara is too pretty.
    Tyene and Nym are too ugly.
    But Pedro turned out to be a dream so I place my faith in the make-up department and their fake-tan and eye-liner.

    Tyene is too ugly?!? Jeez, do a google image search of her name and get back to us, she’s unbelievably cute. Nym’s cute too, not what I pictured, but whatever.

    It’s pretty obvious their characters will be changed significantly, especially if Arianne’s character is being folded into theirs. Makes me wonder if Obara will be the beneficiary of that.

  67. Jess
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    S,

    UM. It wasn’t just what MF said. It was more what the showrunners/etc. said about LS being pointless. I dunno, when the showrunners say that AND MF has a new show, I think it’s pretty effin’ clear she’s been cut entirely.

  68. vlad
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Dwayne Roberts,

    I’m sorry but we’re not basing this idea only from this video. It’s been a serious concern that Arianne is cut for close to 2 months now. Because of all the casting leaks, all the audition tapes…. she’s out. There will probably be some more casting in the North, maybe the Griffs, but that’s it.

  69. King DBC
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    You know, that sucked… (I’m really pleased with the casting, especially Pryce and Siddig!), but that video was so shitty and half assed. The S3 one actually had all the actors sit down for the video. Wasn’t just filmed in a fucking airplane with the selfie camera. It’s like this video was compiled just this morning. Sloppy.

  70. Petter Kristian Vikestad
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    As always I remain cool with any alteration from the books. Play your small violins, boys and girls. Boo hoo.

  71. Josh M. Parker
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    LordStarkington,

    True, but that’s because some of the characters we know they are going to cast, such as the Waif or Maggie the Frog, weren’t among the cast announcements.

    They have never said Arianne will be included. At this point it’s sort of obvious she won’t be. And I really don’t mind at all.

  72. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Steven: Tyene is too ugly?!? Jeez, do a google image search of her name and get back to us, she’s unbelievably cute. Nym’s cute too, not what I pictured, but whatever.

    yeah no kidding. She’s pretty cute in the video up on top with her daggers.

  73. House Mormont
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Haha no way Lady Nym is in Silk! Everyone in my Law class loves that

    Also Tyene’s actress is beautiful, dem Italians

  74. Amy Gamal Foad
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    soooo they cut Arianne. “Trystane is heir to Dorne” = Arianne isn’t heiress to Dorne = She’s cut. Are you kidding me right now.

  75. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Where’s the casting for Boots and Lady Whiskers? ALL THE RAGE!!!!!1111

  76. S
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    King DBC:
    You know, that sucked… (I’m really pleased with the casting, especially Pryce and Siddig!), but that video was so shitty and half assed. The S3 one actually had all the actors sit down for the video. Wasn’t just filmed in a fucking airplane with the selfie camera. It’s like this video was compiled just this morning. Sloppy.

    Yeah imagine that, real life people with other projects to work on couldn’t just drop everything to sit in a room for a 3 minute video to be shown at comic con.

  77. strokememarge
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Love the casting selections, I know Siddig fans are squealing with delight, solid choice. The great Jonathan Pryce as High Sparrow shows how much the show is still going to concentrate on Cersei’s story. I absolutely adore the selections for Oberyn’s daughters. Jessica Henwick as Nymeria is great, an Asian actress finally makes it, and not a some minor character either. Oberyn sure got around, traveling all the way to Asshai. Rosabell Laurenti Sellers looks wonderful as Tyene and has a good resume, and an accent to boot. Looks like NZ Herald got it wrong with Ms. Hugh’s as Obara not Nym. Which means she is the big name female actor for season 5, therefore no Arianne. Well if Trystane takes Quent’s place, he’s toast, which means Obarainne becomes heir.
    No Greyjoy’s, I guess Yara becomes heir apparent, ha, ha. If I cannot get my Arianne, Kingsmmot lovers can do w/o there beloved Eurovict, they are both one dimensional anyway.

  78. Teresa Kresge
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Omg chill people. They didn’t necessarily cut anyone yet. Could be publicity stunt, who knows? And whoever it was ^ calling the actresses ugly, kinda cruel.

  79. LastPostMescalinic
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning:
    POSTED JULY 25, 2014 AT 5:44 PM | PERMALINK
    Folks, these statements are much more likely to be true than not: Lady Stoneheart is cut. Arianne is cut. Quentyn is cut. Victarion is cut. Euron is cut. Aegon is cut. Jon Con is cut.

    Quentyn is not cut. Trystane is “new Quentyn”.
    everyone else, yeah, cut. and i’m quite happy about it :D
    (well, except for Euron. he will be mourned)

  80. monsieurxander
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    They got JOHNATHAN PRYCE! Fantastic actor. This is going to be so great.

    Looking forward to seeing Alexander Siddig again.

    The Sand Snakes look great. Really intrigued.

    Guys, the casting here is impeccable. Don’t be Debbie Downers by focusing on adaptation changes. Look how good we’ve got it!

  81. King DBC
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    S,

    Hey I’m just comparing it to the standard they set themselves with the S3 video…

  82. Manny
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    For those who hate the new guys, let me remind you that Pedro suffered the same for not being dark enough or because he was not a well-known actor… The rest is history

  83. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Is that time again where the whiners get together and assume shit. Before jumping into conclusion on whose cut, maybe wait it out until a couple more months. They might still be in the casting process or just haven’t revealed the rest. Calm the fuck down!

  84. strokememarge
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Steven,

    Please don’t judge a beauty pageant, Ms. Laurenti-Sellers is breathtaking.

    http://static.rbcasting.com/455454-Rosabell-Laurenti-Sellers2.jpg

  85. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Manny:
    For those who hate the new guys, let me remind you that Pedro suffered the same for not being dark enough or because he was not a well-known actor… The rest is history

    You speak the truth!!! Some people like whining tho. It’s in their blood to cry over everything

  86. otto
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    Yes. He was there.

  87. MM
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Awwwww, yeah, Alexander Siddig! Love. Him.

    Jonathan Pryce, fuck yes.

  88. Tom Hilton
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    SirSquinty:
    JONATHAN PRYCE!!!!!!

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  89. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    I have this really weird feeling that all of these characters are not “main cast member” characters…

    They’re all secondary characters really. Arianne is a POV character for christ sake, she isn’t cut. As well as the Greyjoys.

    Expect more casting to come, especially for the main cast members.

    That being said; SIDDIG AND PRYCE FUCK YEAH!

  90. Kidagakash
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    You gotta be kidding me. Tyene sand daughter of Ellaria??? It’s bad enough they don’t make her blonde, but change her origin? AND WEAPON? Her weapon was poison, wasn’t it? Not twin daggers. Am I really forgetting this because I read it so long ago??? Or are they mixing sisters? I knew they weren’t gonna cast all seven, and would mix some… But not to this point.
    And… can’t you just make all of them Sand Snakes latin so they are similar to Pedro Pascal and really look and sound like his daughters? I mean… Nymeria looks ASIAN. Please. No.

    BTW what the hell is “Trystane Martell is Prince Doran’s son and heir to Dorne”. HEIR??? Hello Arianne? Or even Quentyn??? Trystanne is the YOUNGEST of the three!
    And also, about Myrcella… Text says: “For years, she has been a guest and ward of Prince Doran, betrothed to his son…” What do you mean FOR YEARS. We saw her leave King’s Landing in season two. Can’t have been more than two years, dude. Why does it sound like she’s been in Dorne forever?

    I don’t like this article at all, sorry.

  91. Arkash
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Wyman Manderly, Euron Greyjoy, Victarion Greyjoy, Aeron Greyjoy, fArya, Val, Barbrey Dustin, Mors Umber, Bowen Marsh, Jon Connington, the Green Grace, Aegon Targaryen, Arianne Martel, Quentyn Martell, Justin Massey… RiP guys.

  92. Tony
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    For those that are saying characters other than the Dornish are cut (i imagine that’s a sad and done deal)… They might just shoot the scenes later and cast them later. No way Aegon is cut. What is Tyrion going to do next season without him? Meet up with JM right away somehow? Go on that river all by himself with no one to talk to?
    I dont care about the II storyline and while they might omit the Kingsmoot they need Euron and Victarion. They dont need the Drowned Priest of course.

  93. Renly's Peach
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    You guys that Trystane is hot..
    Y-You guys that Trystane is REALLY hot.

    I should not be feeling this way! This character is supposed to be like 10!

  94. Chicago Ted
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Completely excited about Siddig. He has been one of my favorite actors for years. I have to admit that I don’t really know any of the others, but I think they’ll do a good job. I’m a bit surprised they didn’t bring back Aimee though, since it seems that she actually wanted to reprise her role. Why break immersion with a recast?

    And people definitely need to chill down. There’s absolutely no freaking way they are going to cut the krakens. I’m still convinced that they are going to cast all three of them. I mean, you can’t tell me that D&D are going to cast a completely insignificant character such as Trystane and leave out the whole Iron Islands? They are no morons. Same goes for Arianne and JonCon. The only one who I can reasonably see as getting cut is Quentyn, which I honestly won’t mind. Everything else would change the story far too much and D&D know that. Trust me, everything will turn out alright. We’ll probably get Greyjoy casting news in the coming months.

  95. Zack
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    I love all of that casting, but I’m crushed not to hear news of any Greyjoys

    Fucking Alexander Siddig though. Damn.

    Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow….I am absolutely going bonkers with anticipation for that stuff.

    And I think they did a great job with the Sand Snakes, all the ladies seem just lovely and yet they look nothing alike. It’s great.

    But WTF. Where’s Euron!

  96. Sunfyre
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    If they want to simplify the story to make everything fit in seven seasons then they will most likely cut Aegon and Connington. Once you cut Aegon it makes sense to cut Arianne from the show. Then everything becomes about Dany. She will be the only one Varys and Illyrio are backing. And by cutting Quentyn there will be no wedge created between Dany and the Martells.

    Dany can set sail for Westeros by sometime in season 6 and have loyal backing from Dorne, Varys, and Illyrio. By making these cuts everything gets simplified. The sides of the conflict are made very clear. Dany becomes the savior, the one who will come to clean up the mess that Westeros has become. The anticipation for her arrival will be much simpler than a complex plot between two Targaryens. These are smart choices for a seven season show.

    But of course maybe those characters and storylines won’t be cut at all. We’ll just have to wait and see.

  97. Peterrrr
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    I am amazed by the actors that they were able to get. I still remember Alexander Siddig from Deep Space Nine and am most curious about his portrayal of Doran Martell. And for those of you missing some characters: Ciaran Hinds as Mance Raider was also not announced in the Cast Addition Video for Season 3, so some charcters might still be announced. Although I wouldn’t mind if they merge Trystane and Quentyn.

  98. Phil
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    D&D should at least put out a statement saying either, yes so and so characters are cut, or we’re still in the casting process. This isn’t like replacing Payne with Bronn or having Tywin and Arya interact. These are MAJOR story changes, possibly worse than changing around Jon & halfhand plotline in season 2.

    And they are changes for no reason, They cast THREE sand snakes. So you can’t say ‘oh it’s budget” and they are doing the Dorne storyline, so it’s not a condensing issue. It’s a change purely for the sake of a change. Would rather they had one less Sand Snake and keep Arianne. Feels like D&D are just f-ing with the book fans now.

  99. Lors
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    No one knows if the actually cut Arianne… Maybe they will get her later in another season since a grat part of this one she would be locked up in a tower… Besides, there are other characters that they have to cast that they didnt announced jet, like the kindly man and the wife in the House of Black amd White… Maybe the only announced the ones the have secured until now…. Its too early to judge… I remember for season three the cast video didnt show the guy who played Edmure, or Roslin… So, imstill have hopes. As for the greyjoys, the are probably leaving them for season 6 or something, or maybe they’ll be cast later… The wont be erasing that storyline because they put Balon Greyjoy’s death in the leech scen with stannis, so they have obviously started up building for hus death along with yara coming back to the iron island last season

  100. A Man Grown
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Disappointment over no Arianne is tempered by JONATHAN PRYCE ASIAUSHFISDHAIDVBSIEVBQIEFVBU!!! Love the High Sparrow and I’m sure I’ll love him even more in the show now

  101. House Mormont
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Renly’s Peach:
    You guys that Trystane is hot..
    Y-You guys that Trystane is REALLY hot.

    I should not be feeling this way! This character is supposed to be like 10!

    My exact thoughts right now, it doesn’t even feel okay that me and this guy are the same age

  102. Joe Frost
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    No issue with the casting but no news of Arianne,Aegon and either Greyjoy is quite worrying.

  103. Cirion
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Just stop the mindless and annoying whining. This casting news are just the confirmation of a fact that every open minded book reader knew for years: More than half of the characters introduced in AFFC and AWDW are horribly under developed plot devices and just plain boring. Just look at Quentyn or this bad, bad Arys Oakheart chapter. Ariannes chapters were all boring and pointless and the character herself is just as boring. Everyone who thinks that a underdeveloped character like Arianne who was introduced in the fourth book can’t be cut from an already bloated TV show because he is so important to the endgame has to open his eyes. And yes, bringing in Trystan and the sand snakes in is good, because the former is established because of Myrcellas betrothal and the latter were mentioned as Oberyns daughters in Season 4.

    You just have to love the whiny book purists. The Show has only ten hours and there are SO.MANY.CHARACTERS. and SO.MANY.STORYLINES. already. People demand every single boring side character and then complain about not enough screen time for them, like the Blackfish for example.

    It’s also crystal clear that the never-mentioned Manderlys will be replaced by the established Umbers, hence the change of Osha and Rickon going to Last Hearth. This is a GOOD change instead of adding another half dozen characters no show watcher will remember.
    Also clear is the cutting of Victarion, another lame and cartoonish attempt at creating a memorable character. His massive failure regarding his plans with Dany and the horn are so painfully obvious, the only thing more obvious is his role as ship-bringing-and-battle-deciding plot device.
    Also, i think we can expect a massive cutdown of the whole Meereen Affair. At least i hope that 95% of the idiotic cartoon characters from the Yunkai Camp and the sellword companies get cut.

  104. Sean C.
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Chicago Ted:
    I mean, you can’t tell me that D&D are going to cast a completely insignificant character such as Trystane and leave out the whole Iron Islands? They are no morons. Same goes for Arianne and JonCon.

    Trystane is heir to Dorne. That means Arianne is gone, which people had already guessed from some of the other materials. Further, if Arianne is gone, that lends at least some credence to Aegon not being in the show, though I agree that his not being listed here isn’t determinative, since there’s clearly other casting to be done. But the Dornish casting is pretty obviously comprehensive.

  105. Kidagakash
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    Good point. Logical reason to cut Arianne and Quentyn. Don’t love it, but at least I understand it.

  106. Maverick
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Damn some of you sound like morons. Arianne is not cut and people who keep saying the Greyjoys are awesome characters need a reality check.

  107. Phil
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    the problem with doing what you’ve suggested is that it’s not simplifying the story. It’s completing changing it, and the ripple effects will be enormous.

    So far, the majority of the changes have been simplifying, maybe a bit too much, but they are still hitting the MAJOR plot points. However with the cuts you’ve suggested, I really see no way for the story to end the way Martin intends it. Those plots seem like they are going somewhere. Victarion is bringing the horn which will tame the dragons. Seems important to me. Arianne is a key player in the storyline and is in the preview chapters for the next book, she seems important.

  108. Easteros Bunny
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Too many marrella a, the most boring bloody family in the books and not to mention they have done nothing in the books.

    Where are they greyjoys? At least they have some sort of storyline.

  109. Uno0
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    I am SO bloody excited!!! Alexander Siddig was my first choice for ideal Doran casting. I hadn’t even imagined they’d be able to get someone of Jonathan Pryce’s status for a relatively small role. He will KILL it as the High Sparrow!

    Now, I am hoping that video from the Comic-Con GoT panel will get posted here very, very soon!!!

  110. Sean C.
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Maverick:
    Damn some of you sound like morons. Arianne is not cut

    All the evidence says otherwise, from the audition scripts to this casting information.

  111. Quiddity
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    The announcement was very Dorne heavy; I’m wondering if this is because they’re filming for that part of the storyline earlier and hence have cast characters for such parts earlier than others? Which would mean there is still hope for Greyjoy Uncles, Young Griff, etc… but Arianne and Quentyn are almost certainly gone.

  112. Shay
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Lame. All lame.

  113. Ser Balon Swann
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Really like a lot of these. Especially Siddig and Pryce. I guess I’m alone in this, but I’m really not too beat up about Arianne… I never found her POV chapters that entertaining or influential anyhow. Quentyn was honestly a more surprising cut to me since he’s tied into Dany’s story. And oddly enough I actually really liked the character of Areo Hotah, so I’m pumped enough by him being included.

    As for the Greyjoys, I agree that while there’s a good chance a lot of that plotline is cut, I wouldn’t freak out yet. I remember when they announced the casting for season 3 it was only about half or so of the new characters, with absences of some fairly major ones like Ramsay. If I had to guess I’d say the Kingsmoot plot may be reduced to Euron vs. Yara rather than Euron vs. Yara vs. Victarion, since that way they could turn Euron into more of a villain attacking the rest of Westeros, and remove the dragon horn plot if they find it unnecessary. I hope not, because I’m a big fan of Victarion and Moquorro, but I could see it play out that way.

    I don’t think there is need for people to be freaking out about no Griff or Young Griff, since they have to keep following Tyrion’s story anyhow. They probably chose not to announce that since, like Ramsay, there is probably a good reason to not attract attention to those characters so that no one ruins the surprise before the episode. While there is a possibility of them being cut, I wouldn’t panic just yet. Be calm everyone.

  114. monsieurxander
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Cirion,

    I have to agree so much. People forget that the show has to be good in its own right, and it very much has been so far. Slavish devotion would kill it. Thus far some of the best scenes in the show have been original content.

    Changes are happening, and they’re probably for the better. And we all AFFC and ADWD could use some editing.

  115. Endymion
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    But what about the Greyjoys? D:

  116. Phil
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Arianne and the Greyjoys have to be in. They play MAJOR roles. Martin met with D&D before he sold the rights, and he’s involved with the show. No way that when they got together and planned all this out, they said “hey we’re going to just massively cut major plot lines and butcher your story.”

  117. Maverick
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    get out of here. You guys think they will cut Arianne and they will announce the waif, maggy the frog, varamyr, jaqen later on during shooting? I’m pretty sure there are still more casting news.

  118. Chicago Ted
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    You have a point with Arianne, I’ll give you that. But is it official that Trystane is the heir? There is no such information in the video and indeed the first time I ever heard about that was in this post. Personally I just don’t see the logic behind that decision. Why should D&D cut a fan favorite (and from what I’ve read, she is) such as Arianne and build up another character for her, who won’t be able to fill the same role, due to obvious reasons. Also, according to the TWOW preview, Arianne will likely have significant role in Aegons storyline and Aegon himself will likely be very important in TWOW You might be right, but I won’t say that she’s cut simply because Trystane might be the heir now. That would be a major and really unnecessary change from the books and I simply can’t see them doing unnecessary work on this one, not in a Season as hard to adapt as Season 5.

  119. Sunfyre
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Phil,

    But if Dany eventually defeats Aegon or he dies in some other way the simplified plot would still end up in roughly the same place. Dorne is a wild card because I’m assuming in the books they back Aegon. But if D&D don’t have time to do Aegon vs. Dany then they could just place Dorne firmly on Dany’s side.

    The key adaptation choice is Aegon. If he is cut then there is a ripple effect on other storylines. Once you decide to cut Aegon then it becomes clear that everything must begin to center on Dany and her conquest of Westeros. It will feel like skipping a step in the storyline for bookreaders. But they COULD conceivably end up getting to the same place. Thereby simplifying the story.

    I’m not advocating these changes. I wish the show was 8 or 9 seasons. But with only two seasons left after this one we have to start getting into endgame time. And I never mentioned the Greyjoys. I hope they don’t cut them and I think the Ironborn storylines can be done in an economical way that doesn’t eat up too much time.

    And I could be wrong anyway. I’d love it if they included everything. I’m just not sure they will.

  120. Kidagakash
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    If they cut Arianne, the “meat” of the Dornish plot is gone. If they cut Quentyn, the “meat” of Daenery’s plot is gone. If they cut Griff 1 and 2 because they cut Arianne and doesn’t make sense, the “meat” of Tyrion’s plot is gone. They’ve already cut Mance’s son and Val, Jon’s plot “meat” is gone. Also cutting Lady Stoneheart leaves Brienne’s plot quite naked.
    So… What are they gonna put in the next few seasons? Where’s the… plot?

    Do they pretend to cut the plot so much to make Feast and Dance to one season, and then the last two books into one season per book, OR WHAT?

  121. Gregory
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    So they can cut Arianne Martell, one of the few women in a genuine position of power, and one of the ONLY women of color in a position of power, who doesn’t allow herself to be limited by the patriarchal systems of her society and doesn’t take any shit from men or allow them to treat her like property, but keep Trystane Martell, a minor character at best who they appear to be re-writing into a mini-Oberyn. Great. The best thing about Dorne is the fact that the women are just as important as the men. Not to David and Dan, I guess.

    Disappointed by the lack of Greyjoys and Griffs as well. Siddig and Pryce are brilliant casting choices though.

  122. Mimsy
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    If Jaime is supposed to travel to Dorne.. and he shares tv space with Trystane… my tv just might explode from the radiance.

    Thank you HBO… carry on.

    The Dorne cast is so excited! Awww!

  123. Chris
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    The picture becomes clearer. And when you think about it, it makes sense. Crows and Dragons expands the characters and plotline and threads in the story exponentially. Meanwhile, the show has technically passed its halfway point. The show could either abandon the characters and bring in Aegon and JonCon and etc, or they could take liberties with the source material and weave a story that brings resolution to the characters that the show has been with since the beginning. I’m bummed because I like JonCon and Victarion and etc… but this seems like we were foolish for not seeing it coming.

    Honestly, the biggest Qs for me are a) wtf is Brienne going to do next season and b) to what extent are they going to abandon the non-Theon Greyjoy story.

  124. Eos
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    I’m super hyped about Alexander Siddig!! Jonathan Pryce is a great addition as well.
    As for Keisha Castle-Hughes, I’m really excited as well. And in my opinion, she’s perfect for Obara. Much more so than she would’ve been for Tyene.
    Nell Tiger Free looks and sounds exactly like Lena’s daughter, so I’m really happy about this change.
    Jessica Henwick seems pretty far off from my mental image of Nym, but I’m sure she has the talent to pull the deadly seductiveness off. Same goes for Rosabell Laurenti Sellers.
    I’m kinda coming to terms with Arianne’s exclusion. Well, having Siddig on the show certainly pushed Arianne off my mind for a while :) And I really don’t think they’ll cut the Greyjoys.

  125. Where are my Greyjoys?
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I don’t think you can say she is gone. The released statement could be going by a male line of succession which would mean Quentyn is gone and leaves Arriane’s fate up for interpretation.

  126. Dave
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    You guys are missing the biggest casting news here:

    NO SER POUNCE!!

  127. Sara
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    they can’t cut Arianne. Please no!

  128. garbargle
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    DOCTOR BASHIR
    DORAN MARTELL

    I CAME SO FUCKING HARD

  129. Chriss
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get it. Do they think they’re better writers than George? Because they’ve proven over four seasons than not only are they not better than George, but when do decide to write fan fiction, it’s worse than unofficial fan fiction.

    So if they’ve changed these books so drastically they’ve actually cut Arianne and the Iron Born, and possibly Aegon, then we can indeed, after all, consider the skeleton monsters the jumping the shark point.

  130. RandomSand
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    I loved all of them except for the recast… Completely unnecessary in m opinion. I’m also not a big fan of Tyene being Ellaria’s daughther but we’ll see. As for Arienne, it really depends on where does that story goes in the books. If the Aegon plot ends quickly and leads to nothing they will probabl cut him and, by consequence, her. If they include aeon in the series I think they are going to have Trystane suffer from Quentyn’s fate, leaving Dorne without a heir, then Doran would legitimize Obara and she would be the one marrying Aegon. It realy depends and there is no way to know, we have to wait and see…

  131. Laura
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Hargungeet Singh,

    Way, way too old.

  132. Tatters
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Chriss,

    They have no choice.
    Only George can judge them now.

  133. Ryan E
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Bashir! Awesome, I loved Siddig on Deep Space 9. Best of all the Star Trek shows, by the way.

    Looks like we’ll be spending alot of time in Dorne next season.

  134. DILLAN
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Euron is already in the show so why the f**k are you complaining??? They need to cast Aeron only. That is all. And he will be ina last episodes of season 5. With Balon. Im telling u.

  135. René
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Glad Quentyn is cut, his storyline in the books is stupid.
    Also, I think Charlie Dagelet would have been an ideal sand snake.

  136. strokememarge
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    Well to answer your question about what Brienne is doing next season, she will be chasing Jedi with her Lightsabre and Sith Witch powers, therefore don’t expect to be seeing much of her, she probably will be in only 2-3 episodes.

  137. Gooderson
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    After the Queenmaker plot fails, Doran will make Trystane leave his love Myrcella to go to Dany and propose to her instead. Dany will reject him, and Trystane will think “Oh.”

    With no other children, Doran will legitimize the eldest Sand Snake and send her to treat with Aegon (in Season 6).

  138. Brian
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    I wanted to see Louis Ferreira as Doran Martell, but Siddig should do a good job.

  139. Terrence Stamp
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Well, the completely screwed up the Sand Snake casting. Reasonably happy with everyone else.

  140. Ryan E
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Petter Kristian Vikestad:
    As always I remain cool with any alteration from the books. Play your small violins, boys and girls. Boo hoo.

    This. Definitely expected major cuts from AFFC and ADWD. Surprised by Arianne though, but lets see what the plan is. She is not really very important anyway, I just figured HBO would want her for the sex scenes.

    Do hope, since Quentin is cut, that someone else gets roasted

  141. House Mormont
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Chriss,

    Well since 2001, yes. Did you read the material they’re adapting now?

    Have faith, doubtful one, if they can’t do it, no one can

  142. Gina
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Kidagakash:
    You gotta be kidding me. Tyene sand daughter of Ellaria??? It’s bad enough they don’t make her blonde, but change her origin? AND WEAPON? Her weapon was poison, wasn’t it? Not twin daggers. Am I really forgetting this because I read it so long ago??? Or are they mixing sisters? I knew they weren’t gonna cast all seven, and would mix some… But not to this point.
    And… can’t you just make all of them Sand Snakes latin so they are similar to Pedro Pascal and really look and sound like his daughters? I mean… Nymeria looks ASIAN. Please. No.

    I don’t like this article at all, sorry.

    You do realize not everyone looks like their father, don’t you?

  143. Laura
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Just as an FYI, there were 9 cast announcements in the Season 3 video (in addition to 5 not on the video) yet all the people below were new cast members, with 4 of them being pretty big characters who were not in the video (Mance, Ramsay, Grey Worm, Locke and Daario). Iwan Rheon was not announced for 2 weeks after the video and Ciaran Hinds was not announced for a month. It still seems like Arianne is doomed but we could get some Greyjoys/Jon Connington yet.

    New characters

    Nathalie Emmanuel as Missandei (8 episodes)
    Kristofer Hivju as Tormund Giantsbane (7 episodes)
    Thomas Brodie-Sangster as Jojen Reed (6 episodes)
    Mackenzie Crook as Orell (6 episodes)
    Paul Kaye as Thoros of Myr (6 episodes)
    Philip McGinley as Anguy (6 episodes)
    Iwan Rheon as Ramsay Snow (6 episodes)
    Jacob Anderson as Grey Worm (5 episodes)
    Ellie Kendrick as Meera Reed (5 episodes)
    Tobias Menzies as Lord Edmure Tully (5 episodes)
    Diana Rigg as Lady Olenna Tyrell (5 episodes)
    Clive Russell as Ser Brynden Tully (5 episodes)
    Noah Taylor as Locke (5 episodes)
    Anton Lesser as Qyburn (4 episodes)
    Dan Hildebrand as Kraznys mo Nakloz (3 episodes)
    Ciarán Hinds as Mance Rayder (3 episodes)
    Ed Skrein as Daario Naharis (3 episodes)
    Clifford Barry as Greizhen mo Ullhor (2 episodes)
    Tom Brooke as Lothar Frey (2 episodes)
    Dean-Charles Chapman as Martyn Lannister (2 episodes)
    Timothy Gibbons as Willem Lannister (2 episodes)
    Burn Gorman as Karl (2 episodes)
    Kerry Ingram as Princess Shireen Baratheon (2 episodes)
    Tim Plester as “Black Walder” Frey (2 episodes)
    Michael Shelford as Master Torturer (2 episodes)

  144. RBloodworth
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Kidagakash,

    More and more, I’m convinced that the Griffs have been cut (which, of course, means that Aegon is nothing more than a giant red herring). Without Aegon, Arianne’s importance to the overall plot is nullified, and her role in the Queenmaker plot can be easily absorbed by the Sand Snakes, Trystane and Ellaria (they wouldn’t cast Indira Varma to play a chastened, grieving widow next season). Trystane can easily be plugged into Quentyn’s role: with the planned union between Myrcella and Trystane irrevocably ruined as a result of the botched coup, Doran will need to change his plans and send his son and heir off on a mission to bring back “fire and blood”. As for Brienne, well, I’m not really sure what D&D’s plans are if LS has indeed been cut, but you’d have to think the Brotherhood will factor in somehow. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

  145. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Ugh. Everything in that announcement is literally wrong! Those characters don’t look like that in my imagination. They fucked up all the backstories (Tyene is Ellaria’s WTFF!?!). The characters I believe they cut, based on nothing but my own superior naturally heightened book-reader abilities were the most integral to everything ever. I’m glad I ragequit the show watching the Green Fork Battle. Fuck D&D and fuck their sub par writing that is a pale imitation of the nuanced source material. Everthing is ruined!!
    I’m going to go kill myself now.

  146. DILLAN
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    René:
    Glad Quentyn is cut, his storyline in the books is stupid.
    Also, I think Charlie Dagelet would have been an ideal sand snake.

    He is not cut. He is moved to sixth season. He is important to the storyline. His death means that no Martell will ever support Daenerys. They will support Connigton and Aegon, which is kind of shameful for sh**ty Daenerys. And Martells are having spies around the world (Qyburn is Doran’s spy), so it is lameful (for Daenerys) because Doran is a mind of world.

  147. Tatters
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Kidagakash,

    You sound like a racist.
    Sorry this doesnt make sense to you, its an interpretation.

  148. Chriss
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Apologise about the typos in my last post, but I’m typing on an iPhone, and one of the ridiculous ads literally covered the whole message box.

    Even worse than when they’re flinging those video ads at you…

  149. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Stannis4evah:
    Ugh. Everything in that announcement is literally wrong! Those characters don’t look like that in my imagination. They fucked up all the backstories (Tyene is Ellaria’s WTFF!?!). The characters I believe they cut, based on nothing but my own superior naturally heightened book-reader abilities were the most integral to everything ever. I’m glad I ragequit the show watching the Green Fork Battle. Fuck D&D and fuck their sub par writing that is a pale imitation of the nuanced source material. Everthing is ruined!!
    I’m going to go kill myself now.

    Fuck your imagination! This is a show and whom they fill can play and act the part that’s who they will pick. They’ve been doing a great job with casting every season. Who gives a fuck if a character was fat in the story, their stomach is not playing a role so quit your whinning.

  150. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Kidagakash:
    You gotta be kidding me. Tyene sand daughter of Ellaria??? It’s bad enough they don’t make her blonde, but change her origin? AND WEAPON? Her weapon was poison, wasn’t it? Not twin daggers. Am I really forgetting this because I read it so long ago??? Or are they mixing sisters? I knew they weren’t gonna cast all seven, and would mix some… But not to this point.
    And… can’t you just make all of them Sand Snakes latin so they are similar to Pedro Pascal and really look and sound like his daughters? I mean… Nymeria looks ASIAN. Please. No.

    BTW what the hell is “Trystane Martell is Prince Doran’s son and heir to Dorne”. HEIR??? Hello Arianne? Or even Quentyn??? Trystanne is the YOUNGEST of the three!
    And also, about Myrcella… Text says: “For years, she has been a guest and ward of Prince Doran, betrothed to his son…” What do you mean FOR YEARS. We saw her leave King’s Landing in season two. Can’t have been more than two years, dude. Why does it sound like she’s been in Dorne forever?

    I don’t like this article at all, sorry.

    Racist!!!

  151. Insomnia333
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Terrence Stamp: Well, the completely screwed up the Sand Snake casting.,

    I really really don’t understand statements like this during a fucking casting announcement. Have you seen them in costume? No. Have you seen them act in the show? No. Are you aware of their fucking storyline for the season? No. You know absolutely nothing about this person and how they’re performance is going to be. People bitched about Pedro when he was cast and now that we’ve seen his performance 99% of people think he rocked it. Now once Season 5 is over and you still don’t like it, then you can bitch, but until then you have no idea how bad/good someone is going to be.

    And to all the people whining about this and that character being cut, GET A GRIP. I don’t believe the press announcement ended with a “This concludes casting for Season 5 of Game of Thrones”. Every time there is a rumor or confirmation of Character X being cast, people start screaming OMG! That CONFIRMS Character Y has been cut!!!!. It mean fucking nothing other than Character X has been cast. Yes some of those characters will probably be cut/combined with others, but until filming starts and we don’t hear about a casting for that character or D&D confirm a character has been cut, the casting of one character means nothing for another.
    Lighten up people.

  152. franco
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Maybe, just maybe Trystane is the heir because in the show universe women can’t inherint even in Dorne? And they’re saving the news of Arianne for later (a big name to generate some hype for later months)?

    I know, I’m just in denial, but I won’t give up on her until I see season 5 on my screen and she’s officially cut LOL

  153. Ser Pounce
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Stannis4evah,

    LOL. I think I saw this post at ASOIAF circlejerk reddit. pretty funny sarcastic rant. Are you a fellow jerker my brother?

  154. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Insomnia333:
    Terrence Stamp: Well, the completely screwed up the Sand Snake casting.,

    I really really don’t understand statements like this during a fucking casting announcement.Have you seen them in costume? No. Have you seen them act in the show? No.Are you aware of their fucking storyline for the season? No. You know absolutely nothing about this person and how they’re performance is going to be.People bitched about Pedro when he was cast and now that we’ve seen his performance 99% of people think he rocked it.Now once Season 5 is over and you still don’t like it, then you can bitch, but until then you have no idea how bad/good someone is going to be.

    And to all the people whining about this and that character being cut, GET A GRIP.I don’t believe the press announcement ended with a “This concludes casting for Season 5 of Game of Thrones”.Every time there is a rumor or confirmation of Character X being cast, people start screaming OMG! That CONFIRMS Character Y has been cut!!!!.It mean fucking nothing other than Character X has been cast.Yes some of those characters will probably be cut/combined with others, but until filming starts and we don’t hear about a casting for that character or D&D confirm a character has been cut, the casting of one character means nothing for another.
    Lighten up people.

    I wish I could press like on this. Thank You! I believe whiners just enjoy whining to make themselves seem cool but actually look pathetic

  155. John G.
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Just a coincidence that the cast someone who looks so much like Pope Francis in this role?

  156. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Stannis4evah,

    I see what you did there. Sarcasm on this site often is none existent, Disregard my last post. I can’t stand the whinning because that’s all I’m able to scroll through instead of people that can discuss like grown ups.

  157. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    There’s plenty of material for Season 5 even if Arianne, Quentyn, The Griffs, and Victarionare all cut.

    Here’s my spoiler-filled Season 5 fan planning assuming those cuts stand:

    http://pastebin.com/zmaniXAa

  158. Hollyoak
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    I’ve read all of the books and I have no idea who most of these characters are.

  159. Tafite
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    And what about Euron the Choucas and Victarion Greyjoy? Do we see them in the next season?

  160. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Since the TV show will finish 1st we need to accept it as the definitive version of the story. All of these extra characters from the books are just background noise now.

    One can certainly figure out with relative ease which story lines from the books are filler and don’t have as large of an impact on the final story.

    I for one will not miss a second of the Iron Islands. D&D had to make a choice and they chose Dorne…. Once again they get it right.

    Aegon is certainly a fake and will likely be cut from the show. More filler not needed.

  161. Ghost
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure I like the Tyene casting. I’m ok with everything else. I hope these aren’t all though. Im really hoping for at least 1 Greyjoy, Euron, and Aegon and JonCon. If they really are wrapping in 7 it seems too late to introduce Aegon in season 6. Unless he dies soon after taking SE, but the hints about the DwD 2.0 seem to suggest he doesn’t.

  162. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Tafite:
    And what about Euron the Choucas and Victarion Greyjoy? Do we see them in the next season?

    Highly unlikely. This season is likely to end with some events from the Winds of Winter. There is no way they are going to introduce even more characters for season 6. The last two seasons will be about reducing the number of characters and story lines. That is the logical way to end the television series. This to me is confirmation that the Iron Islands is being cut and was never that important to begin with.

  163. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    Stannis4evah,

    LOL. I think I saw this post at ASOIAF circlejerk reddit. pretty funny sarcastic rant. Are you a fellow jerker my brother?

    Me=jerker CONFIRMED

    I’m also the dusky woman.

  164. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    King Stannis:
    Stannis4evah,

    I see what you did there. Sarcasm on this site often is none existent,Disregard my last post. I can’t stand the whinning because that’s all I’m able to scroll through instead of people that can discuss like grown ups.

    Dude, I’m super serious.

    Thanks for interrupting my suicide by fire (the purest suicide).

  165. Olive
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    So, no female heir to Dorne which tells me they are cutting out what makes the Martells more interesting than the other great houses. Not surprised a show run by men and now written and directed only by men decided to age a male character up and redistribute the power and rights to him and erase his elder sister or at least, if she is still in the show, strip her of her rights and power. I can get over Lady Stoneheart but this sucks.

  166. Nym sand
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    in the descripsion why are they calling Doran the ruling lord ! not the ruling prince !! are they really going to cut off all the dornish law thing

  167. Arya
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan Pryce is spot on. Cersei is in for some shit. lololol

  168. Winter
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    I adore the video. The new actors seem genuinely grateful about joining GoT, actually really endearing to see!

    I’m happy with the casting choices. I for one, you know, wait until I see them in their scenes before judging them. How crude and ignorant some of you are. Countless times you’ve been proven wrong about an actor and their portrayal of a character, haven’t you learnt your lesson. It’s sooo tedious when you pick apart how they don’t match the physical description, you can’t replicate what’s in your head, it’s not frickin doable.
    Get over and go cry somewhere else.

    For the Tyene naysayers, bookmark me now, I know you’ll be the ones creaming your pants when you see her in all her dagger glory.

  169. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Olive:
    So, no female heir to Dorne which tells me they are cutting out what makesthe Martells more interesting than the other great houses. Not surprised a show run by men and now written and directed only by men decided to age a male character up and redistribute the power and rights to him and erase his elder sister or at least, if she is still in the show, strip her of her rights and power. I can get over Lady Stoneheart but this sucks.

    Perhaps it has nothing to do with their genders. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that they know how the show ends. Perhaps they know it would be very difficult to explain to the audiences different laws for different cultures especially if there is no big reason to do so in the television show.

    Just perhaps…..

    And they have the strongest females characters on television. And they write for them often times better then they do for the men.

  170. Ser Pounce
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Stannis4evah,

    You are obviously a pleb who hasn’t done more than 200 re reads. You should seriously drink wild fire and burn yourself to cleanse your impurity to our lord of light because every knowledgeable ASOIAF book reader knows Euron is Daario and the dusky woman disguised.

  171. georgia
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    yes he is, and he is amazing!

  172. Anthony Chester
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Have we ruled out the possibility that Obara will be later revealed to be Arianne, so much so that even she doesn’t know? It would make a lot of sense to Prince Dorans plan if he kept Ariannes identity secret, even from her.

  173. House Olivegarden
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    This show is now fan fiction, i lost faith in it after the S4 Finale, ill still watch anyway, just because, but i no longer feel the hype and excitement during the hiatus. No Stoneheart, No Greyjoys, No Arianne. & these guys call themselves fans of the books??

  174. Olive
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    They aged up a pretty insignificant character and erased an important character. It is not hard to explain what makes Dornish law different than the rest of the kingdoms. They waste so much time on other stupid exposition or unnecessary scenes. They easily constructed scenes in season 2 explaining certain aspects of the iron born. They could do the same with the Martells. It is just lazy writing if they are making Trystane heir to avoid confusion. The writers should have some faith in the audience. But, the season has not started yet so I will try to keep an open mind. I am just really bummed about this right now.

  175. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    Stannis4evah,

    You are obviously a pleb who hasn’t done more than 200 re reads. You should seriously drink wild fire and burn yourself to cleanse your impurity to our lord of light because every knowledgeable ASOIAF book reader knows Euron is Daario and the dusky woman disguised.

    If you really think about it, have you really seen Euron AND Arianne together? Why do you think GRRM added an ‘E’ at the end of AriannE’s name?

    And people are freaking out over her absence. Plebs.

  176. Vyrion
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Why are so many people complaining about lack of certain characters being announced in this? Has it not occurred to people that this isn’t complete anyway? Why not wait before bitching? Predictable people ..

  177. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Olive:
    The Bastard,

    They aged up a pretty obsolete character and erased an important character. It is not hard to explain what makes Dornish law different than the rest of the kingdoms. They waste so much time on other stupid exposition or unnecessary scenes. They easily constructed scenes in season 2 explaining certain aspects of the iron born. They could do the same with the Martells. It is just lazy writing if they are making Trystane heir to avoid confusion. The writers should have some faith in the audience. But, the season has not started yet so I will try to keep an open mind. I am just really bummed about this right now.

    Too late on keeping an open mind. You have already trashed the news.

    GRRM’s version is no longer the definitive story anyways. The show is better and will end first. The sooner you realize this the sooner you will never expect to see the story finished in print and you can embrace the superior version.

  178. Zack
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Ooh, that’s lame about re-working Dornish law to make it patriarchal. Makes Dorne a lot less interesting.

    At least I have the book.

  179. Phil
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Honestly the 7 seasons thing is BS. They should have enough seasons to tell the story. If it needs 8 or 9 or 10 seasons, they should do it. The show is a huge hit, and yes Feast and Dance are a little dryer, but there’s important material there.

    It’s a complex, full world. I’m tired of them dumbing it down to compress it and ‘not confuse viewers. This isn’t some stupid sitcom or reality show, it requires active viewing, and discussion. I’m sick of writers dumbing down shows to appeal to a “wide audience”

  180. Olive
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    The show superior to the books. LMAO! That’s hilarious. You just lost all credibility with me.

  181. Delta1212
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    I was never that attached to Arianne and, although I enjoyed Quentyn a lot more than I realize most people did, his presence on the show or lack thereof was never going to be a dealbreaker for me.

    That said, while I’m still willing to give their version of the Dornish storyline a chance, eliminating both of those characters also happens to knock out the aspect of Doran’s character that finally convinced me to start giving a damn about the Martells.

    They’ve got a rather large hole to fill in if that’s the case, although at least as far as TV-only viewers go, I think Pedro Pascal went a long way towards making the audience care about this sub-plot and I wouldn’t be surprised if the show runners decided to emphasize the Viper’s brood over Doran’s kids in order to capitalize on that connection.

  182. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Phil:
    Honestly the 7 seasons thing is BS.They should have enough seasons to tell the story.If it needs 8 or 9 or 10 seasons, they should do it.The show is a huge hit, and yes Feast and Dance are a little dryer, but there’s important material there.

    It’s a complex, full world.I’m tired of them dumbing it down to compress it and ‘not confuse viewers.This isn’t some stupid sitcom or reality show, it requires active viewing, and discussion.I’m sick of writers dumbing down shows to appeal to a “wide audience”

    This is the least dumbed down show in television history. It also happens to have the largest cast ever assembled for television.

    And it is silly of you to doubt the seven seasons. The show writers know how it ends and we don’t. Yet somehow you know better and think it needs to go more seasons? That is cute.

    Books 4 & 5 have a lot of fiiler content. And I would say it is mostly filler since GRRM never intended to even write these years in his original story. He is only doing so to connect the dots in Meeren. The show runs are cutting out the book fat…. Which happens to be a lot after book 3.

  183. Delta1212
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Vyrion,

    Because the official character description for one of the announced cast members implies those other characters don’t exist. It’s possible it’s a mistake but it doesn’t look good and is the first thing that has been announced that actually makes me think they’ve probably been cut.

  184. Kyrion
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    This is complete and utter BS. Cutting Arianne Martell is going WAY too far. How are you going to replace Arianne, the ONLY female heir to Dorne, with Trystane Martell who has had 0 lines in the ****ing book.

    This is boycott worthy, its end of the line. I know Bryan cogman reads these, this is really bad news. I know personally many people that said cutting Arianne is crossing the line well your team just crossed it. This is NOT George story, you guys really wanted Trystane just cause he is a blank slate and you can create your own character. Its tempting to just stop watching this bastardization of a show. Dan and David have gotten too comfortable. They need to get a realization that its George’s story that people loved, not their created material.

  185. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Olive:
    The Bastard,

    The show superior to the books. LMAO! That’s hilarious. You just lost all credibility with me.

    Have you read AFFC and ADWD? The book series is 3 for 5 in terms of great books. The show is 4 for 4 so far. And from the looks of the casting it is about to be 5 for 5.

    I really believe GRRM has a fantastic ending to this series. I just think he will never finish it in print and he got lost on the way.

  186. Josh
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    scotty:
    Josh,

    Please tell me what sense it would make to cast Arianne when Trystane has already been named the heir to Dorne by HBO?

    Oh I didn’t read that…That sucks. Considering the direction some of the female characters will go in this season, you’d think they’d want Arianne…Why replace her for teen love story? I’m usually okay with most decisions this show makes, but this is a cut that REALLY hurts. I mean it just doesn’t make sense….She’s a great character, an important character, an interesting character….It’s….poorly done :(

  187. Tatters
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Where did you get that?

  188. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    So how are they going to deal with Balon’s death? With the set up scene of Lady Stoneheart (Dondarrion’s resurrection), and the set up scene of Balon’s death (the THREE leeches in the fire) this writing seems to be getting sloppier and sloppier. Is this series jumping the shark?

    And cutting a fan favorite like Arianne is unforgivable! Why slap the fans that have been with you since before the series even first aired!

  189. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    This is complete and utter BS. Cutting Arianne Martell is going WAY too far. How are you going to replace Arianne, the ONLY female heir to Dorne, with Trystane Martell who has had 0 lines in the ****ing book.

    This is boycott worthy, its end of the line. I know Bryan cogman reads these, this is really bad news. I know personally many people that said cutting Arianne is crossing the line well your team just crossed it. This is NOT George story, you guys really wanted Trystane just cause he is a blank slate and you can create your own character. Its tempting to just stop watching this bastardization of a show. Dan and David have gotten too comfortable. They need to get a realization that its George’s story that people loved, not their created material.

    I like many people love the shows more and prefer D&D’s version of events. You are speaking for such a narrow portion of the entire fan base. Most people will not boycott the show because of this decision. Give the show a chance. They have already hit so many home runs.

    And an added bonus…. They will actually finish what they started. Can’t say the same thing for GRRM.

  190. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Have you read AFFC and ADWD?The book series is 3 for 5 in terms of great books. The show is 4 for 4 so far.And from the looks of the casting it is about to be 5 for 5.

    Um, the 4 great seasons are all based on the first three books of the series. AFFC and ADWD have yet to be adapted. Thus your post holds no water at all. The series STILL has yet to reash the books you mention as being inferior.

  191. Gatorfisch
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    WOW!!! Those are some big names….excellent.

  192. Davos SeaBro
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m so envious of everyone in this post who knows everything about Season 5 and the next two novels. You already know who’s cut from the series? You already know which characters are super important to the end of the novels, despite them being in 4 chapters and not showing up until the 4th book? You know that Tyene not having blonde hair is going to cause major plot problems in Book 7? The lack of casting of Rolly Duckfield certainly means that Aegon is not going to be cast either?

    If I was in y’all’s situation, I’d be happy enough that I’m so fucking smart I can predict the future.

  193. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Jim: Um, the 4 great seasons are all based on the first three books of the series.AFFC and ADWD have yet to be adapted.Thus your post holds no water at all.The series STILL has yet to reash the books you mention as being inferior.

    The show has already gone into the last two books with a few characters and hit a home run with those story lines.

    The show has also improved on many story lines.

    Arya and Tywin…. The Hound vs. Brienne…. Rob Stark was a more central character in the show. The list goes on and on. Littlefinger was fleshed out for the show and improved. Varys was better then in the books.

    Every chance the show writers have had to improve the story lines they have done so. The entire time minimizing the negatives of GRRM’s writing.

  194. whiteladder
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    This is complete and utter BS. Cutting Arianne Martell is going WAY too far. How are you going to replace Arianne, the ONLY female heir to Dorne, with Trystane Martell who has had 0 lines in the ****ing book.

    This is boycott worthy, its end of the line. I know Bryan cogman reads these, this is really bad news. I know personally many people that said cutting Arianne is crossing the line well your team just crossed it. This is NOT George story, you guys really wanted Trystane just cause he is a blank slate and you can create your own character. Its tempting to just stop watching this bastardization of a show. Dan and David have gotten too comfortable. They need to get a realization that its George’s story that people loved, not their created material.

    I agree 100%. The Cersei rape, Jaime being too nice to Brienne, no Lady Stoneheart, poor Brienne characterization, no Tysha, barely any Greyjoy story, etc. etc…. last season really started to go from “adaptation” to “bastardization.”

    If Arianne Martell and the Greyjoy uncles have been cut, I will no longer watch the show nor subscribe to HBO.

    I loved the first 3 seasoms, but they are really losing my interest with ll of these changes… and also taking agency away from a lot of female characters.

  195. freoduwebbe
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    John G.:
    Just a coincidence that the cast someone who looks so much like Pope Francis in this role?

    Cracking up here. Everytime I see a pick of the pope I do a double take thinking its Pryce.

    Love that he and Siddig will be in it.

  196. Alex Mooney
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    LordStarkington,

    Man. I hope so.

  197. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Jim: Um, the 4 great seasons are all based on the first three books of the series.AFFC and ADWD have yet to be adapted.Thus your post holds no water at all.The series STILL has yet to reash the books you mention as being inferior.

    The irony here is that the show will not only reach (reash?) the books this season, but also pass the turd known as ADWD.

    As of Season 5, GoT will be the original, and any future book (um, yeah, if we suspend our belief that GRRM is immortal) will be just a novelization.

    Cho-chooo…

  198. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Stannis4evah: The irony here is that the show will not only reach (reash?) the books this season, but also pass the turd known as ADWD.

    As of Season 5, GoT will be the original, and any future book(um, yeah, if we suspend our belief that GRRM is immortal) will be just a novelization.

    Cho-chooo…

    I am looking forward to that big book of fan fiction known as The Winds of Winter.

    If some of these people hate the show so much, why are they wasting their time commenting on an article about the television show? I just don’t understand it. Seems like they just want to complain.

    At least us show fans will get the ending first. That has to sting bad….

  199. Tenesmus
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    So glad they cut all the Greyjoys and that dumbass who gets scorched. I am excited that the TV show will be different than the books; cuz they are too long and starting to suck.

  200. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: I am looking forward to that big book of fan fiction known as The Winds of Winter.

    If some of these people hate the show so much, why are they wasting their time commenting on an article about the television show?I just don’t understand it. Seems like they just want to complain.

    At least us show fans will get the ending first. That has to sting bad….

    But… but… The original Marcella is the Meryl Streep of her generation. And also Benjen.

    D&D have ruined our lives. We were fine before 2011, our lives were better and more simple. Then the producers who should not be named decided to make a TV show, and ever since, our lives turned into hell. Hell I tell ya!

    Oh, I almost forgot: RIP Arianne’s nipples.

  201. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Jim:
    So how are they going to deal with Balon’s death?With the set up scene of Lady Stoneheart (Dondarrion’s resurrection), and the set up scene of Balon’s death (the THREE leeches in the fire) this writing seems to be getting sloppier and sloppier.Is this series jumping the shark?

    And cutting a fan favorite like Arianne is unforgivable!Why slap the fans that have been with you since before the series even first aired!

    How is is it sloppy?!? It obvious they have a lot of storylines to deal with. It already jumps from scene to scene too much. Calm your ass down and wait until they set things at their own pace for fuck sakes. Tired of all you bitching

  202. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Stannis4evah: But… but… The original Marcella is the Meryl Streep of her generation. And also Benjen.

    D&D have ruined our lives. We were fine before 2011, our lives were better and more simple. Then the producers who should not be named decided to make a TV show, and ever since, our lives turned into hell. Hell I tell ya!

    Oh, I almost forgot: RIP Arianne’s nipples.

    Glad I am not the only one who had my life ruined by the show.

  203. Falcon
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    The amount of butthurt in these comments is amazing. Thanks for the laughs.

    Maybe now people will finally realize this is a 7 season television show and not the books. They were never going to expand the story into something unrecognizable in season 5 like George did with his books. They’re keeping the storylines tight and introducing the connection to Oberyn and Dorne through Myrcella (and Jaime, based on the audition leaks) so we’re not completely lost in a new place with no ties to what we’ve seen before.

    Keeping the focus on the main players instead of introducing 5 new ones is exactly what the TV show needs.

  204. Olive
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    You can still be a fan of the show and be disappointed with some of the decisions the show runners are making. GoT is not a perfect show or a perfect adaptation but the novels are not perfect either. So, anyone who doesn’t love the show as much as you do is a hater? You’re being obtuse. I complain about certain aspects of the show because I am a fan. I would not waste my time even watching the show let alone commenting about it if I was not a fan. I have enjoyed a lot of the changes and some I am not a fan of and making Trystane heir to Dorne is one the changes I am not a fan of. The Martells are my favorite house and Arianne is my favorite Martell besides Oberyn. So, the changes they are making in Dorne bothers me but I am still a fan of the show although the books are superior.

  205. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Falcon:
    The amount of butthurt in these comments is amazing. Thanks for the laughs.

    Maybe now people will finally realize this is a 7 season television show and not the books. They were never going to expand the story into something unrecognizable in season 5 like George did with his books. They’re keeping the storylines tight and introducing the connection to Oberyn and Dorne through Myrcella (and Jaime, based on the audition leaks) so we’re not completely lost in a new place with no ties to what we’ve seen before.

    Keeping the focus on the main players instead of introducing 5 new ones is exactly what the TV show needs.

    The show runners get the material better them GRRM does. They aren’t getting lost with side plots that go nowhere.

  206. Ser Pounce
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Stannis4evah,

    I really think the original myrcella was going to be the Meryl Streep of this generation until Dungeons&Dragons decided to go on a full character genocide. due to my superior book knowledge unlike you I think Ser Arys Oakhearts character was the most well written in all of ASOIAF and I think the show plebs will have missed out on an opportunity to experience the awesomeness of ser Arys Oakheart may he rest in peace. I’m off to drink wildfire and turn myself into a dragon so I can burn down HBO headquarters. DA KING IN DANORF.

  207. Bronn for King
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    You are my new favourite person, wanted to articulate pretty much exactly what you’re saying, people don’t understand that it’s physically impossible to have every extremely complicated story line from the books, simplification is the only way we get any show at all.

  208. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Olive:
    The Bastard,

    You can still be a fan of the show and be disappointed with some of the decisions the show runners are making. GoT is not a perfect show or a perfect adaptation but the novels are not perfect either. So, anyone who doesn’t love the show as much as you do is a hater? You’re being obtuse. I complain about certain aspects of the show because I am a fan. I would not waste my time even watching the show let alone commenting about it if I was not a fan. I have enjoyed a lot of the changes and some I am not a fan of and making Trystane heir to Dorne is one the changes I am not a fan of. The Martells are my favorite house and Arianne is my favorite Martell besides Oberyn. So, the changes they are making in Dorne bothers me but I am still a fan of the show although the books are superior.

    This time next year, you will have nothing to compare the show with. It would be sad, if it wasn’t so funny. And I’m not saying this as a disrespect to the normal fans of the books.

    Even though I disagree with your opinion regarding the superiority of the source material, I still appreciate your calm, reasonable un-fucking-caps-lock comment and need for explanation.

  209. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Love how everything always devolves into book fan vs. show fan battles.

    You guys know it’s possible to appreciate both not only for what they share, but also for what differentiates them? Arianne (and Quentyn for that matter) will always be in the books. They’re not going anywhere.

  210. Stannis4evah
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    Stannis4evah,

    I really think the original myrcella was going to be the Meryl Streep of this generation until Dungeons&Dragons decided to go on a full character genocide. due to my superior book knowledge unlike you I think Ser Arys Oakhearts character was the most well written in all of ASOIAF and I think the show plebs will have missed out on an opportunity to experience the awesomeness of ser Arys Oakheart may he rest in peace. I’m off to drink wildfire and turn myself into a dragon so I can burn down HBO headquarters. DA KING IN DANORF.

    Good idea, my fellow purist. While you’re at it, stop by Emilia Clarke’s house and burn it to the ground. She must pay for taking Aimee’s place during last year’s Emmy nomination. Although Aimee was not technically in season 3, but still, it’s not like there’s too much logic on this thread tonight.

  211. Charles M.
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Well, the writers did say they’ve gotten over the part where they have to constantly introduce new people so, you guys should’ve expected certain characters aren’t going to make it in the show. The main characters have been picked.

    You just have to get over the fact you’re favourite isn’t on the show.

  212. Pedro
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    idiots, there will be more casting!

    They CANNOT cut the Greyjoy brothers out of the show, they are too important.

    Changing Arianne for Trystane is just a gender change, no big deal.

  213. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Does Penny have a chance?

    I agree with others that JP is well cast as the HS. Loved his zaniness in Brazil. I’ve also wondered if the HS has a hidden alter ego…

    …waiting for S5 and TWoW…

  214. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    I do have one issue regarding show continuity. Tyrion’s deal with Dorne was to wed Myrcella to the youngest son. Trystane can’t very well be the youngest son if he’s also Doran’s heir.

  215. Zack
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Tatters,

    It says Trystane is heir to Dorne. Instead of Arianne. I suppose that needn’t rewrite the law though, if Arianne doesn’t exist in the show and Trystane is the oldest child in the show’s world. Seems like a missed opportunity regardless.

  216. Zack
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    John M W:
    I do have one issue regarding show continuity. Tyrion’s deal with Dorne was to wed Myrcella to the youngest son. Trystane can’t very well be the youngest son if he’s also Doran’s heir.

    The deal was made before Oberyn was killed.

    If Doran only had two sons, one of whom is now dead, it works.

  217. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Zack: The deal was made before Oberyn was killed.

    If Doran only had two sons, one of whom is now dead, it works.

    Oberyn was Doran’s brother, not son. ;)

  218. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    King Stannis: How is is it sloppy?!? It obvious they have a lot of storylines to deal with. It already jumps from scene to scene too much. Calm your ass down and wait until they set things at their own pace for fuck sakes. Tired of all you bitching

    Sloppy because of set-up with no payoff. That is called sloppy writing in anything, not just this show.

  219. John G.
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    How high do people think Jonathan Pryce ranks as a “get” for the show? My attempt at ranking the biggest names to join the cast.

    Diana Rigg
    Sean Bean
    Jonathan Pryce
    Peter Dinklage
    Ciaran Hinds
    Charles Dance
    Lena Headey
    Stephen Dillane
    Julian Glover
    Liam Cunningham
    James Cosmo

    Hard to rank them after the first few. Anyone else want to try?

  220. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Falcon:

    Keeping the focus on the main players instead of introducing 5 new ones is exactly what the TV show needs.

    OMG, the irony. This comment on a thread that introduces EIGHT new characters and a recasting is too much!

  221. Sunfyre
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Bronn for King,

    Thanks for that. I’m glad somebody gets what I was trying to say. I just think we need to be realists here. Imagine you are D&D and you have to make the decisions. What do you cut? What do you keep?

    I can’t stress this enough: If you look at the books and where they seem to be headed I think one of the smartest changes they could make in terms of adaptation is cutting Aegon. I actually like that storyline but think about what it does to the linear direction of the story. Dany is the Chekhov’s gun waiting to go off. When will she finally set sail for Westeros? Aegon throws a massive wrench into her storyline. By removing him the anticipation can build for Dany’s invasion without the complication of a sudden appearance of another Targaryen for her to deal with.

    So if you follow that thought process to its logical conclusion it makes perfect sense to cut Arianne. Not because she is a bad character or anything. But because her endgame is tied to Aegon. If he’s out then she’s out.

    Again, I don’t necessarily want this to happen. I like when the show is complex. I want 8 or 9 seasons. And I could be wrong about Aegon and Arianne. Maybe they’ll be in the show. I’m just trying to put my armchair showrunner hat on and imagine how you possibly finish this story in 7 seasons. The answer is this: You have to CUT characters and storylines.

  222. strokememarge
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Pedro,

    Oh Really!

    Int. Castle Pyke (Night)

    Balon: Now that you are back from your foolish mission, I have news.

    Yara: (Quiet and Sullen, barely keeping emotions in check)

    Balon: I have made an arrangement which shall secure our new kingdom and our family lineage.

    Yara: Oh, so we are now back to finding alliances to protect this folly I now realize was your doing, father.

    Balon: (Backhands her) I have had enough of your impertinence. Now walk with me.

    Ext. Pyke (Bridge over stormy sea)

    Yara: I won’t do it, I am not some cow you throw to a farmer to be rutted by his prize bull.

    Balon: You will do as I command, if not as your father, as your Lord and King. The pact has been signed and agreed upon while you were away on that escapade.

    Yara: I won’t marry some bastard son of Roose Bolton, I am a sea bitch, I will marry a man worthy of me.

    Balon: He is no longer such, he has been legitimized as heir to the North, it is done I am King.

    Yara: (Pulls out her axe and smashes it into her father’s skull)

    Balon Greyjoy’s corpse plummets into the raging sea far below.

    Yara: King know more, I am Queen of the Ironborn now, and I decide my fate.

  223. sean
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    I squealed like a little fan girl just seeing the caption. Good to see my choice for Oberyon become his brother. And Price will also be wonderful. The rest, well I don’t really have an opinion so in Nina Gold I trust.

  224. Annara Snow
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: The show runners get the material better them GRRM does.

    LMAO

  225. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Glr99:
    Ugh Myrcella- A tear for darling Aimee.

    Otherwise….
    Alexander Siddig! OMG amazing.
    But the sand snakes…
    Obara is too pretty.
    Tyene and Nym are too ugly.
    But Pedro turned out to be a dream so I place my faith in the make-up department and their fake-tan and eye-liner.

    Are you the worst, or what?

    The actress playing Tyene is gorgeous, and the actress playing Nymeria is certainly cute. Must be trolling.

    And if this comment section is at all representative of the broader ASOIAF/ GoT fanbase, then this is a really crappy fanbase. Perhaps the near-nihilism of GRRM’s style creates a bunch of mean-spirited losers as followers.

    There are exceptions, of course. Lots of very, very thoughtful fans, especially on shows like Game of Owns, etc. But some of you are really a bunch of rotten a$$holes.

  226. Zack
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    John M W: Oberyn was Doran’s brother, not son. ;)

    Really? Shit. It has been too long since my reading.

  227. Kyrion
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    I think there can be a Myrcella character without the “primogeniture” plotline. If they are getting rid of Arianne who cooks up the plot, whats the point of getting rid of the character and her role in the story as Dornes primogeniture, just to have the plot be done in a different way with Trystane and the Sand snakes?

    Myrcella will be in danger theres no doubt, the leaked casting suggests they will take advantage of Myrcella being in Dorne and Cersei loves her children and will threaten her life somehow, but there wont be a plot to crown her and put her on the head of the Iron Throne, Im sure of that. Primogeniture is out 100%. Its too complicated for the tv audience it seems D&D do not trust them at all.

    They have been dumbing down crap since the beginning of the show.

    Recent example is Shireens story. Melissandre in the show basically outright says she will burn Shireen. This is barely hinted in the books and George does a good job of hiding Shireens future by having some subtle references to it and her dreaming of being eaten by a dragon, the show on the other hand outright blatantly points it out. Shireens role in the show is clear.

    I love LOVE shows that take the audience seriously and actually makes the viewer work and study to “get it”, the shows that do what David and Dan do, is crap. Subtlety doesn’t exist in GOT, and Im getting tired of it. How can you turn one of most cryptic books recently into blatant obvious foreshadowing crap? Its pitiful.

  228. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow: LMAO

    What is so funny? GRRM had to rewrite books 4 and 5 because he got lost in the story. The books are filled with so many new characters and completely loses focus on the main ones from the first 3 books.

    The show has kept the focus on the main characters and is not losing focus.

    The books were great to build a foundation for the show. They fail from there. The show picks up the pieces and is hitting home runs with the splintered material.

  229. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Just so some of you know, it is NOT an established fact that AFFC and ADWD are crap, no matter how much you all try to push it.

  230. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    I think there can be a Myrcella character without the “primogeniture” plotline. If they are getting rid of Arianne who cooks up the plot, whats the point of getting rid of the character and her role in the story as Dornes primogeniture, just to have the plot be done in a different way with Trystane and the Sand snakes?

    Myrcella will be in danger theres no doubt, the leaked casting suggests they will take advantage of Myrcella being in Dorne and Cersei loves her children and will threaten her life somehow, but there wont be a plot to crown her and put her on the head of the Iron Throne, Im sure of that. Primogeniture is out 100%. Its too complicated for the tv audience it seems D&D do not trust them at all.

    They have been dumbing down crap since the beginning of the show.

    Recent example is Shireens story. Melissandre in the show basically outright says she will burn Shireen. This is barely hinted in the books and George does a good job of hiding Shireens future by having some subtle references to it and her dreaming of being eaten by a dragon, the show on the other hand outright blatantly points it out. Shireens role in the show is clear.

    I love LOVE shows that take the audience seriously and actually makes the viewer work and study to “get it”, the shows that do what David and Dan do, is crap. Subtlety doesn’t exist in GOT, and Im getting tired of it. How can you turn one of most cryptic books recently into blatant obvious foreshadowing crap? Its pitiful.

    The books are not cryptic. They are poorly written. The shows spells out what the books leave confusing for no purpose.

    And the show still has plenty of mystery. The good kind anyways. Like who is Jon Snow’s mother. What is Varys up to? The Faceless Men. The White Walkers. These are good mysteries. Robb Stark’s wife being pregnant…. Just vague in the books because GRRM can’t tie up a loose end properly.

  231. Falcon
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Jim,

    The characters in this casting announcements aren’t main players :\

  232. Maxwell James
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    So long, (M)Arianne.

  233. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Josh: Oh I didn’t read that…That sucks. Considering the direction some of the female characters will go in this season, you’d think they’d want Arianne…Why replace her for teen love story? I’m usually okay with most decisions this show makes, but this is a cut that REALLY hurts. I mean it just doesn’t make sense….She’s a great character, an important character, an interesting character….It’s….poorly done :(

    I have read ASOIAF three times, and I can barely remember anything Arianne says or does. That doesn’t mean others are idiots for finding her interesting and important. Just highlighting the fact that I have difficulty empathizing with this outrage…

    That said, I would at least like to see Euron (as I do think Vic will be cut). This certainly isn’t all of the season 5 casting news, of course. We have yet to have news of the many new characters we are likely to see in Braavos, for example. There’s still hope for the Greyjoys!

  234. Cami
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    John G.,

    I’m pretty sure Iain Glen is one of the biggest names they have. He had the “with” recognition this year in the credits.

  235. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    A couple (or a couple of couple) of comments are in order here.

    1) None of this means that they are cutting Aegon & Connington. What it probably means is that Tyrion won’t run into them. Streamlining Tyrion’s plot (i.e., just having Jorah find him early) obviates any need for them in this plot line and tale. (Yes, they contribute to the story about elevating yourself; however, that story is told well enough with existing protagonists.) As such, The Griffs aren’t going to be relevant until Season 6.

    2) Quentyn really is unnecessary. Again, he contributed to the story about elevating yourself: but, again, the existing protagonists do that just fine. In the end, he serves just one major plot purpose: freeing dragons. Gee, it’s just not possible to imagine how that might happen otherwise…. [/sarcasm]

    3) Arianne is no loss: indeed, I would have axed the entire Dorne plot line, as it is amazingly dull and if it’s going to contribute to the over-arching plot, then it could have been done so with a lot less writing. Sure, not seeing our one female heir is a bit too bad, but perhaps that will turn out to be one of the Sandsnakes. Remember, Martell gets to name his heir.

    4) I suspect that Yara/Asha is going to replace Victarion. It looks like they are going to off the whole Iron Island bit (which I know will please a lot of fans: there seems to be a schism between the “Dorne Sucks More: NO, Greyjoys suck more!” fans!)

    Again, folks, keep your eye on the story. Crows and Dragons told similar stories: Crows was about people being someone that they really were not, Dragons was about people elevating themselves. Now, Sansa won’t be contributing to the former story as she did: she’s already in Winter. However, Arya, Cersei and Jaime are adequate for that: and the Sandsnake also will contribute. Jon, Dany, Tyrion and Bran are enough for the former story. Of course, we now will have a hybrid story of changing yourself: but that’s groovy.

  236. Kyrion
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    Who’s Jon Snows mother is IS NOT A MYSTERY IN THE SHOW. Get the hell out of here. The question was brought up, but there was NOTHING given to create a proper set up to a mystery. There was one mother option given in the show, Wylla, not much of a mystery there :/ if your a show only viewer its perfectly reasonable to assume that Eddard wasnt lying to Robert. In the books theres tons of things that make you question him, proper context is given like the Tower of Joy, Rhaegar and Lyanna are given much more characterization to see that Lyanna perhaps could have loved Rhaegar, there was much more to it than the show.

    To call it a mystery is insulting.

  237. Phil
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    While I am excited about Siddig I am more worried about Arianne being cut. I will be really really disaponted if this is the case. She was a character I had been looking forward in seeing on screen.

  238. Chris
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    I guess we’re going to be subjected to all the Sand Snakes then.
    Ah well.
    When I chop up my copies of Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons to make one complete book, as I believe GRRM once suggested, the Sand Snakes chapters are the ones I would’ve tossed. The whole Dornish soap opera seemed like a silly diversion while Martin wrestled with the Mereeneese Knot.
    I’d sooner see them cut than Victarion and Euron. Too bad.
    Siddiq as Prince Doran? Hmmm… He seems a lot thinnner, more robust and handsomer than I’d imagine Doran to be but let’s see.
    Way to bury the lead!
    Jonathan Pryce as the high sparrow!
    Outstanding. Someone else said he does good weird and creepy. Oh yeah. I can just imagine him spewing his fanatical platitudes already.

  239. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    If Season 5 does indeed start to tank, at least everyone will know *this* was the moment the levee started to break…

    Cutting Arianne and the Greyjoys is utter insanity.

  240. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Falcon:
    Jim,

    The characters in this casting announcements aren’t main players :\

    Neither are the characters fans are complaining about having apparently been cut. You can’t have it both ways.

    Back on topic,

    As far as Areanne goes, we’re not talking about Darkstar or Quentyn, here, she actually has an arc. Better had they left Tristayne as a background character and kept Areanne. She’s a goddamned fan favorite!

    I don’t mind cutting ‘Aegon,’ but it appears the Golden Company will be getting seriously important down the line. Combining Aegon with Dany and cutting Connington altogether (or combining him with Ser Barriston) appears to be the best choice for them in this regard.

    You can argue about cutting characters you deem ‘useless’ (though what basis you have for that in an incomplete story is beyond me) all you want, but the fact remains that Areanne is not useless. She has an arc that has yet to play out. Not to mention the Crowning Myrcella subplot must have precedent or you have to cut it totally. Why even have Dorne in if they have no part to play? Areanne is central to that role.

    Whine and cry about folks being disappointed in casting decisions for your sacred cow, but the fact remains that we have just as much right to our opinions as you have to yours.

  241. KG
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Holy shit, Jonathan Pryce? Sweet.

  242. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    The Bastard,

    Who’s Jon Snows mother is IS NOT A MYSTERY IN THE SHOW. Get the hell out of here. The question was brought up, but there was NOTHING given to create a proper set up to a mystery. There was one mother option given in the show, Wylla, not much of a mystery there :/ if your a show only viewer its perfectly reasonable to assume that Eddard wasnt lying to Robert. In the books theres tons of things that make you question him, proper context is given like the Tower of Joy, Rhaegar and Lyanna are given much more characterization to see that Lyanna perhaps could have loved Rhaegar, there was much more to it than the show.

    To call it a mystery is insulting.

    It is still a mystery in the show when Jon Snow does not know, neither does the rest soooooooo it sounds like it had yet to be confirm. Your argument and rant is stupid. The Tower of Joy mystery is my favorite thing to discuss as is The Daynes’s. To say it is not a mystery in the show it is insulting. As a book reader i don’t have these pages shoved up my ass like some of you do and critic the show

  243. Chris
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    DocWimsey,

    there seems to be a schism between the “Dorne Sucks More: NO, Greyjoys suck more!” fans

    Yeah, seems so.
    Put me in the “Dorne sucks more” camp.
    The Greyjoys were annoying, but not nearly as annoying as the Sand Snakes. The whole lot of them could be eliminated. I’d sooner just see Quentyn show up in Mereen and have the whole Arianne-to-marry-Viserys-no-Quentyn-to-marry-Dany plot unveiled then.

  244. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos: I can barely remember anything Arianne says or does.

    I am with you here. I am one of those that found the entire Dorne plotline tedious in the extreme: I really was hoping that they would just cut it. However, it seems that this is very divisive among Martin fans: people either love or hate Dorne. (Ditto that for the Iron Island stuff: I actually like that, although I found it eminently curable, too.)

    As for Euron, well, he seems like he might be cool, but he’s never a POV character and certainly never a protagonist. The TV show would have had to greatly embellish him to make him worth keeping, and there just isn’t time for that. My thought is that Asha/Yara can go off after Dany for her own reasons, and thus obviate the need for Victarion and all of the Iron Island stuff. That also would be very much in keeping with the story, just as much as said character’s plot line was in Crows.

  245. King Stannis
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    I think there can be a Myrcella character without the “primogeniture” plotline. If they are getting rid of Arianne who cooks up the plot, whats the point of getting rid of the character and her role in the story as Dornes primogeniture, just to have the plot be done in a different way with Trystane and the Sand snakes?

    Myrcella will be in danger theres no doubt, the leaked casting suggests they will take advantage of Myrcella being in Dorne and Cersei loves her children and will threaten her life somehow, but there wont be a plot to crown her and put her on the head of the Iron Throne, Im sure of that. Primogeniture is out 100%. Its too complicated for the tv audience it seems D&D do not trust them at all.

    They have been dumbing down crap since the beginning of the show.

    Recent example is Shireens story. Melissandre in the show basically outright says she will burn Shireen. This is barely hinted in the books and George does a good job of hiding Shireens future by having some subtle references to it and her dreaming of being eaten by a dragon, the show on the other hand outright blatantly points it out. Shireens role in the show is clear.

    I love LOVE shows that take the audience seriously and actually makes the viewer work and study to “get it”, the shows that do what David and Dan do, is crap. Subtlety doesn’t exist in GOT, and Im getting tired of it. How can you turn one of most cryptic books recently into blatant obvious foreshadowing crap? Its pitiful.

    There’s a difference between explained details in a book vs an hour of a tv show. Don’t be a fucking moron and understand the difference. I personally prefer the books but the show is doing a good job with it without making shit complicated because once again, it’s not a book and there’s no explanation behind motives or thoughts. Just action

  246. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Euron would be a great Villain. Especially since he’s a bit of a sorcerer.

  247. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Honestly, I just never got the hostility towards the AFFC/ADWD story material. I found both Dorne and the Iron Islands quite interesting, and am actually getting really excited about revisiting that material on my reread (I’m currently half way through rereading ASOS). The portrayal of Oberyn and Ellaria in the show has gotten me even more enthusiastic about Dorne in the books, and it’s my most anticipated element of next season.

    Plus, my reread has allowed me to catch all the foreshadowing and such that GRRM put into the earlier books concerning the later plot developments (Aegon, Jon Connington, Dorne characters, the Greyjoy brothers, etc.). First time through, these things seemed to pop up more suddenly. I’m really enjoying reading with a more watchful eye this time around. :)

  248. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Ser Matt the Sullen: Cutting Arianne and the Greyjoys is utter insanity.

    Why is it insanity? The audience isn’t expecting this stuff. Quite frankly, it wasn’t good in the books, and there is no reason to think that it will be good on TV.

    The show needs to do what Martin should have done at that point: start consolidating the protagonists’ plot lines. The biggest problem with these new characters is that the story relied on dynamic development of characters: and that came through so much better with the “existing” characters than it did with the newly introduced ones.

    Now, there is a danger that the show will tank: but I blame that on the fact that Crows simply was not a good book. I was hoping that the season would streamline Crows greatly. For example, Sansa’s part is being skipped, as she’s already gone on to Maleficent Stark that we’ll evidently get in Winter: so she’ll be doing more of a Dragon’s story early. Jaime’s contribution could be greatly streamlined, and Cersei’s actually will need a bit of attention. I worry greatly that the Dorne stuff is going to greatly bore viewers: at this point, they won’t mind one or two new characters, but it looks like too many involved in a plot that isn’t obviously important.

    Or, to put it another way, I view Crows as a real lodestone on the series’ neck: aggressive adaptation is going to be needed to make this palatable to the audience. (Crows is to ASoI&F what Order of the Phoenix was to Harry Potter!)

  249. Jay Arms
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    LordStarkington,

    THANK YOU!!! People just like to blindly complain about nothing…

  250. The Dragon Demands
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    HELL YES, ALEXANDER SIDDIG!

  251. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    I agree with everything you’ve said in all of these posts… except the female writing issues. That is the ONE and only thing that pisses me off about D&D, as compared to GRRM. Not to assume that you’re male… but they’ve consistently missed the mark. I don’t feel weird recommending the books to other women. I do with the show.

    I love the casting (as always), resigned to less/no Greyjoys (if gotta pick one, I pick the Martells, and I DO feel like they gotta pick one or the other) I just want them to tidy up some crap! Bran’s dagger? The third leech? Just use Bran’s Greenseeing to tidy up the stupid plot threads that should be fixed by now…

    And the books are better than the show, duh. :) But otherwise… we be on the same page.. Also – can someone make my blocking spoilers WORK!? Is it Google Chrome? It’s been forever since they’ve worked, and obviously some people’s still function… I’m trying geepers…

  252. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Those of you who think the audience will be bored by the Dorne characters are underestimating just how much TV audiences loved Oberyn. My family was jumping for joy today when I showed them the casting news. They can’t wait to see Oberyn’s family on the show.

  253. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    For people complaining about the show likely removing the Iron Islands…

    You do realize that the show already has main characters not even appearing in all of the episodes, right?

    There was never going to be both Dorne & The Iron Islands from Books 4 & 5. Something had to be cut. It has nothing to do with D&D being going rogue with the story. It has to do with the story staying on track.

    Some people might have enjoyed the side stories in books 4 & 5, but the TV show cannot operate like that. It needs to stick with the main characters of the story as much as possible. That is a much stronger form of story telling….

  254. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    DocWimsey:
    Ser Matt the Sullen: Cutting Arianne and the Greyjoys is utter insanity.

    Why is it insanity?

    Cutting Arianne means you might as well cut Dorne. Without her AND Quentyn they have no part to play. Match that up with the excising of the Crowning Myrcella subplot (Which, without precedent, makes no sense without a female Heir to Dorne), and Dorne literally has no part to play! And people are complaining about the Ironborn plot going nowhere!

  255. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Jim: Cutting Arianne means you might as well cut Dorne.Without her AND Quentyn they have no part to play.Match that up with the excising of the Crowning Myrcella subplot (Which, without precedent, makes no sense without a female Heir to Dorne), and Dorne literally has no part to play!And people are complaining about the Ironborn plot going nowhere!

    How do you know they have no part to play?

    Where is Dany going to land when she finally makes it to Westeros? Perhaps the key players are being set up properly for a big payoff down the line. D&D do know how it ends…

  256. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: GRRM had to rewrite books 4 and 5 because he got lost in the story.

    Martin didn’t get lost in story: he got lost in plot. And that was the real problem with Crows: it seemed like a lot of plot and not much story. At that point (Book 4 and a five year wait for it!), a lot of readers were impatient to see the major existing plot lines advance: and Martin heaped on a bunch of new ones. The story (trying to be someone else) actually was pretty good, but it was not very well presented.

  257. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Although… Keisha Castle-Hughes looks so much like Indira Varma… is it really Rosabell Laurenti that is supposed to be her daughter and not her? This could be very distracting…

  258. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Jim,

    Oh, I’d have been happy with completely cutting Dorne. It was completely tedious in the books. My suspicion is that the part that they will keep will contribute to Cersei’s story, and also set up stuff for Season 6 involving Head #3.

  259. Ironborn
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Davos SeaBro:
    I’m so envious of everyone in this post who knows everything about Season 5 and the next two novels. You already know who’s cut from the series? You already know which characters are super important to the end of the novels, despite them being in 4 chapters and not showing up until the 4th book? You know that Tyene not having blonde hair is going to cause major plot problems in Book 7? The lack of casting of Rolly Duckfield certainly means that Aegon is not going to be cast either?

    If I was in y’all’s situation, I’d be happy enough that I’m so fucking smart I can predict the future.

    This. But the sad part is we are already spoiled that Arianne won’t accomplish shit and she may even die along the way (high mortality rate if you’re a Martell). And who knows now that Victarion’s sole purpose is to deliver Daenerys ships?

  260. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    DocWimsey: Martin didn’t get lost in story: he got lost in plot.And that was the real problem with Crows: it seemed like a lot of plot and not much story.At that point (Book 4 and a five year wait for it!), a lot of readers were impatient to see the major existing plot lines advance: and Martin heaped on a bunch of new ones.The story (trying to be someone else) actually was pretty good, but it was not very well presented.

    The first 3 books are mainly about Houses Stark, Baratheon, Targaryan, & Lannister. The last 2 they become side characters to Dorne & The Iron Islands. Not exactly the way to continue the saga.

    The show can’t do that, and hopefully will fix this error.

  261. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard:
    The show can’t do that, and hopefully will fix this error.

    It’ not an error. It’s just a story direction you don’t like.

    And in no way are the Stark, Lannister, etc. characters made “side characters”. That’s hyperbole at work.

  262. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: How do you know they have no part to play?

    Where is Dany going to land when she finally makes it to Westeros?Perhaps the key players are being set up properly for a big payoff down the line.D&D do know how it ends…

    Those of us disappointed about the idea that they are cutting a fan favorite character like Arianne aren’t just spitting into the wind. Arianne has an arc. She stands as the only female heir to one of the great houses and one of the Seven Kingdoms, allowing precedent for the Myrcella subplot which she, in fact, kicks into gear. The entire Dornish plan hinges on her and Quentyn, who has been rightfully cut, therefore without either character Dorne is useless to the entire story. Filler, plain and simple. Better to have the Iron Islands than an entire section of the cast twisting in the wind, directionless. At least Euron is after Dany’s dragons, which could lead to something exciting.

    If they do as i suspect and combine Aegon with Daenerys and Connington with Jorah, that section of the story isn’t effected that much. Therefore, i’m not a superpurist. But i loathe the idea that Arianne has been cut and hope to high heaven (all seven) that it isn’t true and that she has either been kept a secret or has yet to be cast.

    And i have just as much right to my opinion as anyone has to theirs. If people want to moan at me for it, they are hypocrites.

  263. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: How do you know they have no part to play?

    Where is Dany going to land when she finally makes it to Westeros?Perhaps the key players are being set up properly for a big payoff down the line.D&D do know how it ends…

    Those of us disappointed about the idea that they are cutting a fan favorite character like Arianne aren’t just spitting into the wind. Arianne has an arc. She stands as the only female heir to one of the great houses and one of the Seven Kingdoms, allowing precedent for the Myrcella subplot which she, in fact, kicks into gear. The entire Dornish plan hinges on her and Quentyn, who has been rightfully cut, therefore without either character Dorne is useless to the entire story. Filler, plain and simple. Better to have the Iron Islands than an entire section of the cast twisting in the wind, directionless. At least Euron is after Dany’s dragons, which could lead to something exciting.

    If they do as i suspect and combine Aegon with Daenerys and Connington with Jorah, that section of the story isn’t effected that much. Therefore, i’m not a superpurist. But i loathe the idea that Arianne has been cut and hope to high heaven (all seven) that it isn’t true and that she has either been kept a secret or has yet to be cast.

  264. Fang of the Faceless
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Sorry guys, I have terrible news. They recast Ser Pounce. He’s now a black kitten like in the books instead of a tabby cat. Let’s start a petition to get the original back! It’s not too late!

  265. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    John M W: It’ not an error. It’s just a story direction you don’t like.

    And in no way are the Stark, Lannister, etc. characters made “side characters”. That’s hyperbole at work.

    Chapters by House By Book. House Stark has no less then 40 chapters in the 1st 3 books, and only has 6 chapter in book 4 and 18 chapters in book 5. They became complete side characters….

    GAME OF THRONES
    House Stark – 53
    House Targaryan – 10
    House Lannister – 9
    House Baratheon – 0
    OTHER – 0

    CLASH OF KINGS
    House Stark – 40
    House Targaryan – 5
    House Lannister – 15
    House Baratheon – 3 (Seaworth)
    OTHER – 6

    STORM OF SWORDS
    House Stark – 43
    House Targaryan – 6
    House Lannister – 20
    House Baratheon – 6 (Seaworth)
    OTHER – 5

    FEAST FOR CROWS
    House Stark – 6
    House Targaryan – 0
    House Lannister – 17
    House Baratheon – 0
    OTHER – 22

    DANCE WITH DRAGONS
    House Stark – 18
    House Targaryan – 10
    House Lannister – 15
    House Baratheon – 5 (Seaworth & Melisandre)
    OTHER – 23

  266. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Chris: I’d sooner just see Quentyn show up in Mereen and have the whole Arianne-to-marry-Viserys-no-Quentyn-to-marry-Dany plot unveiled then.

    At that point, it won’t even really be necessary. The Arianne-to-marry-Viserys bit is a narrative detail of no importance. So long as the dragons escape somehow (and there are dozens of ways where this might happen, then Quentyn-to-marry-Dany plot line also is of no importance.

    One thing that we fans have to remember is that a lot of the book details that (many of us) love so much are of no real importance to the story or the over-arching plot. What the general audience wants at the end of each season is a cohesive story; they don’t really care about having a faux history lecture series where they could answer multiple choice questions of the sort you would see on a real history test!

    (I do acknowledge that this is a big difference between hardcore fans and the general fans, be it for Thrones, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Doctor Who, Star Wars, etc.: the general fans respond to story whereas the hardcores revel in the details.)

  267. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    OK, for some reason it’s taking a few minutes to post anything for me. If i double-posted anything it’s because i thought the original got lost in the ether rather than anything else.

  268. crabber's son
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    atleast we will have Euron played by Michiel Huisman :)

    But id never expect D&D to cut multiple pov characters/fan favorites/most interesting characters in favor of……sand snakes??? trystane??? areo hotah???

    I feel like one could maybe push the iron islands plot to beginning of season 6, you can cover most of it in 2 episodes really or maybe they will film that last so they havent even cast the greyjoys yet.

    Trystane could replace quentyn but no arianne is def looking like a possibility, but why would they cut her and keep the sandsnakes can someone explain?

  269. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Chapters by House By Book.House Stark has no less then 40 chapters in the 1st 3 books, and only has 6 chapter in book 4 and 18 chapters in book 5.They became complete side characters….

    That tends to happen when most of them are dead.

  270. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: The first 3 books are mainly about Houses Stark, Baratheon, Targaryan, & Lannister.

    I don’t know what that means. The first book tells a story about conflict in personal values: X is right/wrong. The second story tells a story about conflict in loyalties: I should support/oppose Y. The third book tells a story about conflict in love and hate: I love/hate Z. Now, the primary protagonists for those stories come from those houses: but this is a series of stories, not a faux documentary.

  271. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Jim: That tends to happen when most of them are dead.

    Only 1 Stark POV Character died in Book 3, and yet their chapters dropped from 43 chapters to 6.

    GRRM lost it….

  272. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    What do you want me to say? That George expanded the scope of his story, added more characters, etc? Of course he did.

    Still doesn’t make the Starks, Lannisters, Baratheons, and Targaryens side characters. They have fewer chapters because the canvas is bigger.

    I really liked that you just lumped “OTHER” together in one group though. Completely disregards that many of those “others” are individual characters and families with a limited number of chapters in each book.

  273. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    DocWimsey: I don’t know what that means.The first book tells a story about conflict in personal values: X is right/wrong.The second story tells a story about conflict in loyalties: I should support/oppose Y.The third book tells a story about conflict in love and hate: I love/hate Z.Now, the primary protagonists for those stories come from those houses: but this is a series of stories, not a faux documentary.

    Nothing important has happened with House Stark in ASOIAF since Book 3 was released in August 2000. That is almost 14 years ago. That is bad bad bad writing.

  274. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    John M W:
    What do you want me to say? That George expanded the scope of his story, added more characters, etc? Of course he did.

    Still doesn’t make the Starks, Lannisters, Baratheons, and Targaryan’s side characters. They have fewer chapters because the canvas is bigger.

    I really liked that you just lumped “OTHER” together in one group though. Completely disregards that many of those “others” are individual characters and families with a limited number of chapters in each book.

    Nobody is denying that the scope expanded.

    That is the problem. The scope expanded but the first 3 books characters have barely progressed during that time.

    The show is going to fix this.

  275. House baratheon
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    I’m just kind of upset because now that the show is venturing deeper into un-written material it sort of gives away which story lines in the books will not be as important. (LSH, J – CON, and iron island stuff) oh well I guess it’s pretty much inevitable that the show will finish before the books now… Kind of a bummer because the books are so much richer. I will always love the show but I kind of wish they had of waitied till now to put it out. Give old georgey boy a little more time to pump those books out first.

  276. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Jim: Those of us disappointed about the idea that they are cutting a fan favorite character like Arianne aren’t just spitting into the wind.Arianne has an arc.She stands as the only female heir to one of the great houses and one of the Seven Kingdoms, allowing precedent for the Myrcella subplot which she, in fact, kicks into gear.The entire Dornish plan hinges on her and Quentyn, who has been rightfully cut, therefore without either character Dorne is useless to the entire story.Filler, plain and simple.Better to have the Iron Islands than an entire section of the cast twisting in the wind, directionless.At least Euron is after Dany’s dragons, which could lead to something exciting.

    If they do as i suspect and combine Aegon with Daenerys and Connington with Jorah, that section of the story isn’t effected that much.Therefore, i’m not a superpurist.But i loathe the idea that Arianne has been cut and hope to high heaven (all seven) that it isn’t true and that she has either been kept a secret or has yet to be cast.

    And i have just as much right to my opinion as anyone has to theirs.If people want to moan at me for it, they are hypocrites.

    I would say you have less of a right to your opinion in this case.

    My opinion is sided firmly that D&D know what the final outcome of the story is and they are setting things in motion to get there as smoothly as possible.

    Your opinion is that you don’t know the final story lines of these characters but you know what is best of who should be included in the show.

  277. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Jim: If they do as i suspect and combine Aegon with Daenerys and Connington with Jorah, that section of the story isn’t effected that much.

    I dont’ think that they will do this. Remember, all of Martin’s stories focus heavily on interpersonal conflict. For Dany, Aegon will be very important because in one sense, he’s a “true” heir to the throne, whereas in another sense, she’s truly earned it. Moreover, at some point, Dany probably will learn that Rhaegar was going to push aside their father had he survived (that almost certainly is why Rhaegar sent his father a fake grandson, after all); and Dany also is going to learn that Varys has been using her as a decoy to distract Westeros from Aegon for all these years. This sort of stuff is the bread and butter of this show, and it’s why audiences like it so much.

    Now, we don’t know what the stories will be in Winter & Spring. However, look at where Martin is heading: a series of trios that will be in competition with each other: R’Hllor vs. The Others vs. The Trees; Sansa vs. Arya vs. Rickon for Winterfell; Stannis vs. Lannisters vs. Targaryens for Westeros; Jaime vs. Cersei vs. Tyrion for house Lannister, and Dany vs. Aegon vs. Jon for House Targaryen. There is nothing more unstable that a three-way conflict: and that’s the sort of conflict in which Martin revels.

  278. Imp
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Kyrion

    I get your point that there is no mystery as to Jon’s parentage, but in the book there really is no mystery since everything that would cause this mystery is done in Ned’s head. ( fever dreams, etc)

    Jon and Catelyn have the same feelings regarding this “mystery” in the show and books

    Jon: I don’t know who my mother is, but Ned is my father.
    Catelyn: I hate Jon cause Ned banged some ho during Roberts rebellion

  279. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    It’s NOT a problem. It’s an evolving story. New characters enter it, others leave it.

    I’m not disputing that the show needs to approach things differently. As a television show, it has different demands.

    But we’re talking about the books themselves. The evolving scope of the story is what I love about AFFC/ADWD (and they are two halves of the same book, when you get right down to it).

  280. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Nothing important has happened with House Stark in ASOIAF since Book 3 was released in August 2000.That is almost 14 years ago.That is bad bad bad writing.

    Because it effectively ceased to exist.

    There are only TWO Starks left, not counting Jon. What do you expect? The house has been decimated.

  281. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Jim: Because it effectively ceased to exist.

    There are only TWO Starks left, not counting Jon.What do you expect?The house has been decimated.

    4 Starks…. Sansa, Arya, Bran, & Rickon.

    And those characters story lines basically stood still during the last 2 books.

    Once again, almost no progress on their story lines in 14 years….

  282. Ironborn
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Only 1 Stark POV Character died in Book 3, and yet their chapters dropped from 43 chapters to 6.

    GRRM lost it….

    I think you really should consider that Martin splitted one big book into two and divided the POV’s by geographical locations, so there you have why there are ‘only’ 6 chapters for house stark in Feast. And after seeing this, I count around like 24 Stark chapters…

  283. Lord Kidneystone
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    “Until the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.” This will not come true without Quentyn in the story. It will be just like the canoe shooting in “Lost”. A loose end that will never be tied up.

  284. Bran the baker
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    We are at eight new characters and counting.

    Who get’s less screen time so we can have Aegon, Jon Connington, Dorne characters, and the Greyjoys?

    Tyrion? Sansa? Cersei? Jaime? Jon? Sam?

    TV is linear with a finite number of hours. It has to stick to schedules, and has a budget. People read at their own pace, but generally you watch a show at it’s pace. It’s really not that difficult to understand the differences between book and TV mediums.

  285. DocWimsey
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Nothing important has happened with House Stark in ASOIAF since Book 3 was released in August 2000. That is almost 14 years ago. That is bad bad bad writing.

    One, that’s not true: a lot of stuff happens with members of that house; Arya in particular is going to be a major player in the next season. (I suspect Sansa will be, too, but she’s now in uncharted territory, at least insofar as we readers are concerned.)

    Two, how is that relevant to storytelling? If a family drops out of the story, then it drops out of the story. Of course, I don’t’ know how you can say this: Arya & Sansa make major contributions to the story in Crows, and Jon, Bran & Arya both make major contributions to the story of Dragon.

    Now, I don’t disagree that the writing here has been sloppy: Martin simply has introduced too many plot lines and too many characters. However, what Martin has done is overtold the story: we didn’t need all of these characters to get his point.

  286. Frédéric Sinclair
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Will they cut the siege of riverrun? I want to see the Balckfish and Edmure again :(

  287. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    John M W:
    The Bastard,

    It’s NOT a problem. It’s an evolving story. New characters enter it, others leave it.

    I’m not disputing that the show needs to approach things differently. As a television show, it has different demands.

    But we’re talking about the books themselves. The evolving scope of the story is what I love about AFFC/ADWD (and they are two halves of the same book, when you get right down to it).

    They are two halves of filler for the Meereen Knot to be figured out. GRRM even admitted that he had no plans to write about the saga during this time period. He just couldn’t figure out a way to start the story back up again 5 years later, so we are left with filler.

    Which is why the important characters…. From the 4 major houses in the first 3 books…. Are basically at a stand still. He couldn’t progress them until he progressed other story lines. He has to put in all that filler to get the story caught back up before he can continue their story.

    If he was better at writing, those major Houses would have progressed farther in the last 14 years….

    The sad thing is that GRRM basically tells people it is filler without saying it, and his devoted fans still eat it up.

  288. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard:

    Once again, almost no progress on their story lines in 14 years….

    That’s utterly meaningless to me. I read AFFC right before ADWD. In the future, any new readers will be reading straight through and won’t be concerned with how many years it took to write.

    And, again, the two books really read as one (AFFC is the Ying to ADWD’s Yang).

  289. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Ironborn: I think you really should consider that Martin splitted one big book into two and divided the POV’s by geographical locations, so there you have why there are ‘only’ 6 chapters for house stark in Feast.

    That is a problem with his writing. Which is what we are talking about….

  290. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    The Bastard: 4 Starks…. Sansa, Arya, Bran, & Rickon.

    And those characters story lines basically stood still during the last 2 books.

    Once again, almost no progress on their story lines in 14 years….

    I was actually referring to Bran and Rickon. Sansa and Arya don’t really count anymore. Especially Arya.

  291. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard:
    The sad thing is that GRRM basically tells people it is filler without saying it, and his devoted fans still eat it up.

    Or it might be that not everyone agrees with you.

    The Bastard: That is a problem with his writing.Which is what we are talking about….

    Actually, that’s what you’re talking about.

  292. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    DocWimsey: One, that’s not true: a lot of stuff happens with members of that house; Arya in particular is going to be a major player in the next season.(I suspect Sansa will be, too, but she’s now in uncharted territory, at least insofar as we readers are concerned.)

    Two, how is that relevant to storytelling?If a family drops out of the story, then it drops out of the story.Of course, I don’t’ know how you can say this: Arya & Sansa make major contributions to the story in Crows, and Jon, Bran & Arya both make major contributions to the story of Dragon.

    Now, I don’t disagree that the writing here has been sloppy: Martin simply has introduced too many plot lines and too many characters.However, what Martin has done is overtold the story: we didn’t need all of these characters to get his point.

    Name a major event of House Stark in AFFC & ADWD??

    The last book was supposed to be called A Time For Wolves. House Stark is obviously important to the end story. So how can the most important House of the saga not have one mahor event in 2 books?

    There were some good events…. but nothing major.

  293. Ironborn
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    crabber’s son,

    crabber’s son:
    atleast we will have Euron played by Michiel Huisman :)

    Are we? Oh wait… Euron is Daario :)

  294. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    I am not coming here to just trash the books. They have their purpose.

    The point is that the books get lost along the way. The show has to trim that up and make the story stronger for the show. That will mean cutting out these characters that some might find important but don’t add to the end game of the saga.

    And that is a great thing for the fans of a Game of Thrones.

  295. Jim
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Name a major event of House Stark in AFFC & ADWD??

    The last book was supposed to be called A Time For Wolves.House Stark is obviously important to the end story.So how can the most important House of the saga not have one mahor event in 2 books?

    There were some good events…. but nothing major.

    How do you know it’s the most important house? Thus far Lannister is far more important to the grand scheme of things and all Stark has done is suffer.

  296. Colla
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    I have to admit I will be heartbroken if there truly is no Arianne. She is the ONLY, repeat ONLY female heir of the great families of Westeros and the importance of Dornish law where females inherit if older than younger brothers seems totally lost on playing up Trystane.

    I am hoping to hear word of casting Arianne, Arys and Darkstar but if not this cut is borderline misogyny. Which is consistent with other teeny snips, e.g., “Lord Stokeworth” instead of Lady Tanda. Why have a policy of replacing male with female, unnecessarily?

  297. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard:

    The point is that the books get lost along the way.

    Ugh, stop. Just stop.

    You don’t like the direction the books go. Fine. This does not mean they got “lost along the way”.

    For the record, I don’t disagree about the changes the show has to make. But that doesn’t mean I consider such changes better or worse that the books. They’re just different.

    But stop acting like it’s an established fact that the books are inferior.

  298. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Jim: How do you know it’s the most important house?Thus far Lannister is far more important to the grand scheme of things and all Stark has done is suffer.

    Why would he originally call the last book what he did if they were not important? Common sense here….

  299. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    John M W: Ugh, stop. Just stop.

    You don’t like the direction the books go. Fine. This does not mean they got “lost along the way”.

    For the record, I don’t disagree about the changes the show has to make. But that doesn’t mean I consider such changes better or worse that the books. They’re just different.

    But stop acting like it’s an established fact that the books are inferior.

    Think about it for a moment.

    D&D are huge fanboys of the show. They are huge fanboys of GRRM. They are being forced to take a scalpel to books 4 and 5 to make them presentable for the one season of television. These are the same guys who took 2 seasons to basically tell A Storm of Swords. And yet they can’t barely get one season for 2 books.

    Do you really think of those 2 books were any good, that they would be condensing them into 1 season?

    Stop acting like the last 2 books were any good. If they were, they wouldn’t be getting the treatment they are on the show from two guys who love the content.

  300. ChillinLikeSerIlyn
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    I can understand people being upset at Arianne being cut if she’s one of their favorite characters, but getting mad because it (potentially) eliminates the Dornish female inheritance plotline? Women and men are equal and should absolutely be regarded as such, unfortunately we know this is not always the case in the media, but direct the anger at whom it is due. D&D are adding 3 new (presumably) strong female characters into this season alone, to a show which already has myriad. That sort of thing makes a difference, much more than complaining on the internet.

  301. John M W
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Think about it for a moment.

    D&D are huge fanboys of the show.They are huge fanboys of GRRM.They are being forced to take a scalpel to books 4 and 5 to make them presentable for the one season of television.These are the same guys who took 2 seasons to basically tell A Storm of Swords.And yet they can’t barely get one season for 2 books.

    Do you really think of those 2 books were any good, that they would be condensing them into 1 season?

    Stop acting like the last 2 books were any good.If they were, they wouldn’t be getting the treatment they are on the show from two guys who love the content.

    Must be nice to be an absolute authority on the value of these books.

  302. Kris
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Johnny Camp,

    Good to see I am not alone.

  303. The Bastard
    Posted July 25, 2014 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    John M W: Must be nice to be an absolute authority on the value of these books.

    Not an absolute authority, although you don’t have a rebuttal besides a snarky one liner back, so I must be right.

    I will repeat is again…. D&D love these books so much that they took 2 seasons to tell A Storm of Swords. And yet they are putting Books 4 & 5 into one season. How good can they be if there is so much to cut out? and nobody can claim that D&D aren’t real fans….

  304. DocWimsey
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: Name a major event of House Stark in AFFC & ADWD??

    Gee, I dunno: Arya learning to become a ninja? Bran becoming a tree god? Sansa having her first true thought? Jon killing the boy and becoming the man? These were all major story points.

    You seem to want analogs of what you’d get in a history class. This isn’t history, and it’s not plot for the sake of plot: it’s story.

  305. Jim
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: Why would he originally call the last book what he did if they were not important?Common sense here….

    No, you stated “the most important house.” There is thus far zero evidence of that aside from individual characters heritage. And of those, only Bran and Arya have really been proactively important. Sansa is a wallflower in the books, Rickon is essentially a background character in both the show and the books.

    And “A Time for Wolves” was junked for another title.

  306. The Bastard
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Jim: No, you stated “the most important house.”There is thus far zero evidence of that aside from individual characters heritage.And of those, only Bran and Arya have really been proactively important.Sansa is a wallflower in the books, Rickon is essentially a background character in both the show and the books.

    And “A Time for Wolves” was junked for another title.

    The title might have been junked, but the 5 page outline he has had about the story since the beginning has not changed. So if that was once the title of the final book, and we know the plot has not changed, House Stark is the most important House in the series.

    And why would Sansa even be a “wallflower” if she didn’t have a huge purpose later on in the series? Why waste 5 books on a pointless character? The only logical conclusion is that she is extremely important to the end story.

  307. Jim
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: Not an absolute authority, although you don’t have a rebuttal besides a snarky one liner back, so I must be right.

    Take that nonsense to IMDB where it belongs.

    The Bastard:I will repeat is again…. D&D love these books so much that they took 2 seasons to tell A Storm of Swords.And yet they are putting Books 4 & 5 into one season.How good can they be if there is so much to cut out?and nobody can claim that D&D aren’t real fans….

    Show me some proof that they are combining AFFC and ADWD into one season. I have yet to see any.

  308. The Bastard
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    DocWimsey: Gee, I dunno: Arya learning to become a ninja?Bran becoming a tree god?Sansa having her first true thought?Jon killing the boy and becoming the man?These were all major story points.

    You seem to want analogs of what you’d get in a history class.This isn’t history, and it’s not plot for the sake of plot: it’s story.

    Arya, Sansa, Rickon, & Bran’s story lines had some interesting stuff, but nothing major compared to what we saw in the 1st 3 books.

    The only one who had something major is Jon Snow, and we only got half of that story line so far….

    They were put completely on the backburner.

  309. John M W
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: Not an absolute authority, although you don’t have a rebuttal besides a snarky one liner back, so I must be right.

    I will repeat is again…. D&D love these books so much that they took 2 seasons to tell A Storm of Swords.And yet they are putting Books 4 & 5 into one season.How good can they be if there is so much to cut out?and nobody can claim that D&D aren’t real fans….

    Fine. You want a serious answer?

    Explain to me why I should give a damn about what Dan Weiss and David Benioff think about A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons. I know that I love the books. I love the direction George has taken with the story, how he has expanded the world, and I’m tantalized by every story development I read in his books – whether it concern the Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters, Targaryens, Martells, Greyjoys, Boltons, or any number of houses and characters he’s created.

    I am not “deluding” myself, as so many seem to insinuate. I simply love the books. I do not hail from a long history of being a GRRM supporter. I only began reading the books a year or two before the tv series began. I’m just someone who fell in love with the world Mr. Martin created.

    What D&D think of the later installments, or how they choose to adapt them for their series (which by the way has NOT been boiled down into one season – look to Seasons 3 & 4), means diddly squat to me with regard to my personal appreciation of the novels.

  310. The Bastard
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    Jim: Take that nonsense to IMDB where it belongs.

    Show me some proof that they are combining AFFC and ADWD into one season.I have yet to see any.

    Here is common sense…. Ready for it?

    Game of Thrones only has 3 more seasons left. And they have 4 more books left.

    The last 2 books are going to be massive according to GRRM. So it is safe to assume that these massive books will each take 1 season.

    What is then left? 1 season to tell AFFC & ADWD.

    One might go a step further. Anybody who has read these two books knows that many of the character’s story arcs were left over for TWOW.

    Which means this season might even dip into Book 6 for the story.

    There is just no possible way they finish in 7 seasons unless Season 5 does both books.

  311. Jim
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: The title might have been junked, but the 5 page outline he has had about the story since the beginning has not changed.So if that was once the title of the final book, and we know the plot has not changed, House Stark is the most important House in the series.

    And why would Sansa even be a “wallflower” if she didn’t have a huge purpose later on in the series?Why waste 5 books on a pointless character?The only logical conclusion is that she is extremely important to the end story.

    Please tell me how you know that? And why do you seem to think your theories are more important than anyone else’s?

    Thus far House Stark is no more important than any other great house. In fact, less important than at least one (Lannister). The only thing that makes Stark relevant at all is the kids (all of whom are either on the run or assumed dead by the workd at large. Again, i am not counting Jon, though his story is far more important than any of the proper Starks except for possibly Bran).

  312. Bozo
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Grynthaline:
    Oh my god they did not just do that. They did not just erase Arianne Martell as heir to Dorne and replaced her with Trystane. I have no words.

    That’s a rather extreme conclusion to draw from all this. Remember before Season 3 when they made a bunch of casting announcements at SDCC but didn’t announce Mance Rayder until much, much later?

  313. Jim
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: Here is common sense…. Ready for it?

    Game of Thrones only has 3 more seasons left.And they have 4 more books left.

    The last 2 books are going to be massive according to GRRM.So it is safe to assume that these massive books will each take 1 season.

    What is then left?1 season to tell AFFC & ADWD.

    One might go a step further.Anybody who has read these two books knows that many of the character’s story arcs were left over for TWOW.

    Which means this season might even dip into Book 6 for the story.

    There is just no possible way they finish in 7 seasons unless Season 5 does both books.

    And yet still nothing concrete whatsoever. Seven AND eight seasons have both been bandied about. Some quotes take it up to 9. Fact is: You don’t know for sure any more than anyone else does.

  314. The Bastard
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Jim: Please tell me how you know that?And why do you seem to think your theories are more important than anyone else’s?

    Thus far House Stark is no more important than any other great house.In fact, less important than at least one (Lannister).The only thing that makes Stark relevant at all is the kids (all of whom are either on the run or assumed dead by the workd at large. Again, i am not counting Jon, though his story is far more important than any of the proper Starks except for possibly Bran).

    You really think an objective person would come to this conclusion? D&D know how it ends, and look at how much emphasis they put on House Stark for the show.

    It seems like you are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

    The show would never put so much emphasis on the Starks if there wasn’t a payoff in the end for them that was more important then the rest.

  315. Bozo
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    The chances that they will eliminate Arianne Martell from the show are nearly zero. Those steamy softcore scenes in book 4 were practically tailor-made for HBO.

  316. Jim
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: You really think an objective person would come to this conclusion?D&D know how it ends, and look at how much emphasis they put on House Stark for the show.

    It seems like you are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

    The show would never put so much emphasis on the Starks if there wasn’t a payoff in the end for them that was more important then the rest.

    Now you’re sounding like a groupie.

  317. Kyrion
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Imp,

    Catelyn thinks Ashara Dayne is Jons Mother, adding to the possibilities

  318. The Bastard
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Jim: And yet still nothing concrete whatsoever.Seven AND eight seasons have both been bandied about.Some quotes take it up to 9.Fact is: You don’t know for sure any more than anyone else does.

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/18/game-of-thrones-season-5/

    As of June, they are still saying 7 seasons.

  319. The Bastard
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    Jim: Now you’re sounding like a groupie.

    How am I a groupie? I personally like the Lannister story lines better.

    The show foreshadows a lot for the books. The regaining of power of House Stark is foreshadowed the loudest.

  320. Jim
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    OK, that’s me for the night. Good debating, all.

  321. Bozo
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    Karolina:
    I do not like the choice for Nymeria… The rest are quite allright though

    You don’t like Asians.

  322. A Sinclair
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Last time I checked, Tyene was the daughter of a septa, not Ellaria Sand…

  323. John M W
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Bozo:
    The chances that they will eliminate Arianne Martell from the show are nearly zero.Those steamy softcore scenes in book 4 were practically tailor-made for HBO.

    LOL, very true. But I’m still of the opinion that they will use Ellaria for some of the gaps left by Arianne (if she is indeed out). So, you know, opportunities abound. ;)

  324. Bozo
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    scotty:
    Josh,

    Please tell me what sense it would make to cast Arianne when Trystane has already been named the heir to Dorne by HBO?

    At what point in the show have they said that the the oldest inherits the throne in Dorne, regardless of sex? That’s in the books, but it’s not in the show.

    So Trystane could well be the heir. We already know that one of the ladies who was at the head of the Dornish delegation in the books was replaced by a male Dornish lord. So in the show, Dornish inheritance probably works like that of the reset of Westeros.

  325. Bozo
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    A Sinclair:
    Last time I checked, Tyene was the daughter of a septa, not Ellaria Sand…

    Stop reading the books.

  326. The Bastard
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    Jim,

    Are you fucking serious? you sound like a total jackass saying the starks are not relevant to the story. The series is called a song of ice and fire. The starks saying motto winter is coming, the starks built the wall, the nights king might have been a stark, Bran is really important to the story, Jon Snow true identity is part of the whole plot. The starks are pretty much the Ice in the story because they have a bunch of connection to the north and the white walkers.

    Well, the guy still thinks there will be 8 or 9 seasons…

    The Starks are the core of the story. Which is why Books 4 & 5 struggle so much when they basically ignore them for side plots.

  327. Bozo
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning:
    Folks, these statements are much more likely to be true than not: Lady Stoneheart is cut. Arianne is cut. Quentyn is cut. Victarion is cut. Euron is cut. Aegon is cut. Jon Con is cut.

    Sword of the Morning,

    Both the pillar and the stones? That’s a lot of cutting.

  328. strokememarge
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Wow, I just noticed Rosabell Laurenti Sellers is only 18 and damn what an 18 year old at that. If a remember those leaked script stuff, she is going to be in a sex scene with Bronn, that just might cause a little bit of a stir here among some demographic groups.
    Gotta love HBO, push that envelope, please, please.

  329. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    crabber’s son,

    They’d keep the Sand Snakes because they know Arianne isn’t important to the end game. And maybe the Sand Snakes are.

  330. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    Here’s a thought for all these Arianne diehards (not me, I’m Meh either way)

    Trystane Martell is a douche. It is known. So… either he’s the new Quentyn (so he dies) or he tries a stupid Myrcella is the Queen of Westeros scheme… and he dies.

    So… IF Arianne is important – why can’t she show up at the start of season six as a YOUNGER than Trystane daughter? If she isn’t important… she won’t ever show up, and there’s your sign…

  331. Chris
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    I just feel like most of this discussion is based on the faulty premise that the show and the books are going to end the same way. They’re almost certainly not going to. I think that’s the reasonable inference.

  332. Ironborn
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    The Bastard: Well, the guy still thinks there will be 8 or 9 seasons…

    The Starks are the core of the story.Which is why Books 4 & 5 struggle so much when they basically ignore them for side plots.

    Tell me how it feels to be one of the few who know the end of the story.

  333. MRR
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    Lady Wolfsbane: Trystane Martell is a douche. It is known.

    No, it’s not “known.” The only indication of Trystane’s personality we have from the books is Arys Oakheart noticing that he and Myrcella get along quite well, and that he doesn’t mind losing at Cyvasse. That would seem to indicate that he’s the opposite of a “douche”: his self-esteem isn’t so fragile that he minds losing a game, and he was nice enough to make Myrcella feel welcomed despite her being very far away from home. My impression of Trystane was that he was a nice young man, and not a “douche” at all.

  334. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    Trystane may not be a douche, but based on that short video of the actor playing him, we may have stumbled upon the first truly douchy cast-member in GOT. He just oozed unjustifiable arrogant douchiness in that clip.

    But I love the look and personalities of the other new cast-members. Tyene is especially interesting.

  335. Lex
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Wow, Alexander Siddig! Just LAST NIGHT I was watching DS9with my ffriend and saying Siddig would have made a good Oberyn.

  336. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    strokememarge:
    Wow, I just noticed Rosabell Laurenti Sellers is only 18 and damn what an 18 year old at that. If a remember those leaked script stuff, she is going to be in a sex scene with Bronn, that just might cause a little bit of a stir here among some demographic groups.
    Gotta love HBO, push that envelope, please, please.

    This comment is creepy on a number of levels.

  337. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    MRR,

    Sorry – to clarify – Trystane is a douche in my mind from a character standpoint. No fleshing out the character, no personality other than what you called him twice. He’s “nice”. Since when does “nice” survive in GoT? Complex characters are what drive GoT and it’s naughty plots.

    Trystane is utterly ripe for T.V. cannibalization. The fact that he has been upgrade to heir should in no way be a good sign for his survival chances…

    OMG how I hate there spoiler quotes! Work dang you all!

  338. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    Lex:
    Wow, Alexander Siddig! Just LAST NIGHT I was watching DS9with my ffriend and saying Siddig would have made a good Oberyn.

    Siddig has a much cooler and calmer demeanor than Pascal, so I don’t think he would have been the right choice for Oberyn. He’s just right as Doran, even if I saw Doran as a bit slothier looking (such as an F. Murray Abraham or Alfred Molina). And yes, I made up the word slothier, and I’m sticking to it.

  339. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    Lady Wolfsbane:
    MRR,

    Sorry – to clarify – Trystane is a douche in my mind from a character standpoint. No fleshing out the character, no personality other than what you called him twice. He’s “nice”. Since when does “nice” survive in GoT? Complex characters are what drive GoT and it’s naughty plots.


    Trystane is utterly ripe for T.V. cannibalization. The fact that he has been upgrade to heir should in no way be a good sign for his survival chances…

    OMG how I hate there spoiler quotes! Work dang you all!

    Since when is “douche” synonymous with “nice?”

  340. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Douche – a cut and pasted definition “word to describe an individual who has shown themselves to be very brainless in one way or another, thus comparing them to the cleansing product”

    As far as a plot point – he’s totally a douche. Water based. Bland. Possibly flower scented.

    You just made up the word slothier! No fair, picking on my wording! :) And Siddig might be slothy these days – he’s not actually genetically superior anymore a la STDS9, maybe he’s gone a bit “squidgy” in the “bodily area”…

  341. STARKIDwheeler
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    It’s definitely too early to assume anything. They could easily have cut Arianne, though it would be a shame. However, I don’t think they would have cut the entire Iron Islands, and DEFINITELY wouldn’t cut Aegon. It’s important to know that we don’t necessarily have all the information, and what’s provided could easily be interpreted in many different ways. Arianne, Aegon, and the Iron Islands not being included doesn’t mean they won’t EVER appear. It may even be a push at slowing the series down a bit, after speeding it way up in season four. There are plenty of plots going on already, there’s no need to pour on a bunch more and make it more confusing. Bottom line is, none of you are informed enough on this to say “ARIANNE IS DEFINITELY CUT”.

  342. loco73
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    Holllyyyyyy shit!!! Now that is some good news indeed. I’ve got my second wish granted by the HBO gods…LOL!!!! Alexander Siddig, finally!!!! Yay! First Jeremy Podeswa and then Alexander Siddig!!!! I’ve wanted this man for years on the show, and now he is finnally going to be joining the cast!

    I used to post links to his “Kingdon Of Heaven” pictures because I originally thought he would make for an amazing Red Viper, but Pedro Pascal was wonderful and did more than justice to that role, so now Alexander Siddig will be Doran Martell!!!!!! Hurray for that! I’ll have him in GoT in any which way…LOL!

    And Jonathan Pryce, wow, we are getting some heavyweights, to I guess replace Charles Dance’s departure…Not only is Jonathan Pryce a remarkable screen and stage actor, he has the gravitas and acting chops to really play a religious zealot…no doubt! Besides “Brazil”, just to see his range, check him out in “Ronin” with Robert DeNiro (the second time they acted together, the first being “Brazil”) and even “Evita”, he made for a very credible Juan Peron!

    Of course also Keshia Castle-Hughes is an awesome addition, and that role fits her pefectly! While I would like to see Arianne, if Obara becomes her stand-in on the show and takes over her spot , I would be fine with that, especially if Keshia Castle-Hughes has an expanded role on the show!

    Though obviously the rest of the actors joining the cast are less known to me, I am positive about them and the roles they were chosen for!

    Gotta , that Nina Gold and Robert Sterne have proven to be outstanding once again in their casting choices, and this is the openning salvo!!!

    As for all the crying and moaning about this character and that character not having appeared…we’ve been doing this every year since the show started (and even before that)!!!! We should know by now that further casting news will follow and we will see other characters appear!!!

    I am surprised by the re-cast of Myrcella, I thought Aimee Richardson would have been fine in her role, but since she hasn’t been seen since Season Two, the difference won’t really be too striking. A big thank you to Aimee for her part in bringing GoT to life!t

    So welcome all to “Game Of Thrones”, good luck to you all and we’ll see you next year!

  343. Ironborn
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    STARKIDwheeler:
    It’s definitely too early to assume anything. They could easily have cut Arianne, though it would be a shame. However, I don’t think they would have cut the entire Iron Islands, and DEFINITELY wouldn’t cut Aegon. It’s important to know that we don’t necessarily have all the information, and what’s provided could easily be interpreted in many different ways. Arianne, Aegon, and the Iron Islands not being included doesn’t mean they won’t EVER appear. It may even be a push at slowing the series down a bit, after speeding it way up in season four. There are plenty of plots going on already, there’s no need to pour on a bunch more and make it more confusing. Bottom line is, none of you are informed enoughon this to say “ARIANNE IS DEFINITELY CUT”.

    What about casting one character that has never appeared in the books and promoted to heir to Dorne which is Arianne’s role, having in the audition scripts he being one of the queenmaker plot, and sand snakes together with Ellaria having a part in that plot too with no sign of and role left for Arianne at all?

  344. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:58 am | Permalink

    Lady Wolfsbane:
    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Douche – a cut and pasted definition“word to describe an individual who has shown themselves to be very brainless in one way or another, thus comparing them to the cleansing product”

    As far as a plot point – he’s totally a douche. Water based. Bland. Possibly flower scented.

    You just made up the word slothier! No fair, picking on my wording! :) And Siddig might be slothy these days – he’s not actually genetically superior anymore a la STDS9, maybe he’s gone a bit “squidgy” in the “bodily area”…

    I always thought the common synonym for douche was “obnoxious,” as in this definition:

    an obnoxious or contemptible person, typically a man.

    You know, like most Duke University undergraduates. :-)

    I had never heard it applied to a nice person. Nice people aren’t douches. They’re nice. And most people like nice people, while most people don’t like douches.

    That said, slothier’s a great word, isn’t it? :-)

  345. Ser Pounce
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    I think your a douche :P.

  346. John M W
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos:
    I had never heard it applied to a nice person. Nice people aren’t douches. They’re nice. And most people like nice people, while most people don’t like douches.

    I’m pretty sure the definition of a douche is a person who thinks nice people are douches.

    ;)

  347. bic
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    Grynthaline,

    Trystane has TWO older siblings If he’s truly heir then they’re omitting both Arianne and Quentyn, which would be a strange move considering how they affect the story. Maybe they’ll be announced later.

  348. John M W
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    bic:
    Grynthaline,

    Trystane has TWO older siblings If he’s truly heir then they’re omitting both Arianne and Quentyn, which would be a strange move considering how they affect the story. Maybe they’ll be announced later.

    Doubly strange since, as I stated earlier, Myrcella was promised to the “youngest son” in the show.

  349. Marta
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    I’m not sure about the sand snakes I pictured them different more latinos like Pedro. I also preferred Aimee as Myrcella,she looked more Lannister.

  350. EndlessJose
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    Don’t like Toby Sebastian as Trystane Martell.He is too white and unlike Pedro Pascal he doesn’t look even white Hispanic looking.

  351. Exodus
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Glr99,

    I bet you look like a peach. Those girls are definitely not ugly.

  352. Dame of Mercia
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    I do wish people would “play nice” on the website – it’s possible to disagree with someone without getting into a slanging match.

    I hope Arianne makes the cut. They haven’t announced the players for all the characters who were mentioned in the leaked cast list yet (I realise that Arianne was not named in that list before somebody points it out). But we haven’t heard who will be playing Maggy the Frog, Septa Unella or Lollys Stokeworth yet, so I am assuming that HBO are either holding back information about some people they have cast or have not yet cast the characters.

    I hope GRRM finishes TWOW in a timely fashion but I’m not banking on it. I’m not going to stop watching the show though. I’ve had “Tales of the Malazan” (sp??) and some of the Irish legends recommended to me as narratives that don’t have a particular goody-goody or an arch-baddy (as GRRM wrote ASOIAF without any character who was either wholly good or wholly bad).

  353. Hodorkovski
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Dame of Mercia:

    But we haven’t heard who will be playing Maggy the Frog, Septa Unella or Lollys Stokeworth yet, so I am assuming that HBO are either holding back information about some people they have cast or have not yet cast the characters.

    True.

    Dame of Mercia: (as GRRM wrote ASOIAF without any character who was either wholly good or wholly bad).

    That gets repeated a lot, but still there are a whole lot of completely evil *ssholes running around.

    Where’s the good, or even the grey area in, Ramsay Snow, the Mountain, Joffrey, Balon Greyjoy or Walder Frey?

    I do appreciate the more complicated “villains” such as Tywin Lannister or Roose Bolton though.

  354. Fabian
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    The Doran Martell casting was the most excited about, as it requires a certain pedigree to portray the subdued power of the Dornish ruler. Siddig is the only actor out of these who’s work I’m familiar with, and I’m confident he will deliver a strong performance.

    As for the cast around him, it seems the Dornish court will be shaken up quite a bit, so it’s not fair to do apple-to-apple comparisons with the book characters. There are still a great number of strong female characters in the Dorne, who will likely assume the functions of Arianne together.

    We still have no casting news that are relevant to Tyrion’s story. I would expect to hear something in the coming month – otherwise, wouldn’t he have to meet up with Jorah almost right away?

    I feel it’s been clear for some time that by book 4 and 5, the show would have to deviate significantly from the books for time and financial constraints. Ultimately, what’s important is that the show remains strong and coherent within it’s own world. The books will always be there for us to enjoy.

  355. smitzzz
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Psyched about Jonathan Pryce , I loved him in Brazil and Alexander Siddig , so many memories of Dr Bashir xD , still gutted about Aimee Richardson getting replaced by a nobody for no apparent reason.

  356. Head of the Wolf
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    Ironborn,

    Actually I think if arianne makes the cut then she’ll overhear the sand snakes & ellaria argue with doran then would come up with the queen maker plot so as to satisfy trystane’s ambitions &
    her own & get her cousins their revenge

  357. Chysko
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    They can’t cut Victarion, he’s badass and essential to the Greyjoy storyline.
    They’re probably still looking for the perfect match.

  358. Hodorkovski
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    Wow, so much nerd rage over Arianna…

    A: You can’t remove her: she is pivotal to the story!

    B: How exactly does she pivot the story to its ending?

    A: Well, I don’t know the ending. She participates in this plot, which fails miserably, and then she is to be married to fAegon.

    B: That’s right: you don’t know the ending. You don’t know her significance.

    The showrunners on the other hand have access to GRRM’s overall outline, have discussed the arcs of central characters with him, and have made use of unpublished chapters in their scripts (cf. Arya in S4 E1 and the current preview chapter “Mercy”).

    They work with more information than you do.

    Maybe Arianna will just die in TWOW chapter 2, and her arc will prove to be a detour, like brother Quentyn’s? In that case, it does make sense to cut it, since the show already has a cast at least twice the size of your average TV show.

    Many of her scenes can be given to the Sand Snakes, or Ellaria, providing strong female characters and female nudity, which is a win/win situation to HBO.

  359. Hodorkovski
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Chysko:
    They can’t cut Victarion, he’s badass and essential to the Greyjoy storyline.
    They’re probably still looking for the perfect match.

    Meh, his plot function may be just to bring Dany a navy (hey, that shit rhymes!) and then die.

  360. NYI
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Kidagakash,

    If they cut Quentyn, the “meat” of Daenery’s plot is gone.

    The meat of Dany’s plot are the Sons of the Harpy and Yunkai mustering forces. The latter could be preemtively dealt with by Dario.

    Hodorkovski

    And since Dany already HAS a navy on the show…

  361. Randyll Tarly
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    Would be great to see David O’Hara (from Braveheart, Harry Potter, The Tudors) play Randyll Tarly (Sam’s father).

  362. huggable
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Obara doesn’t quite it what I imagined her to be like she seems very average in height and build, not at all big boned. She also seems like she looks more like Ellaria sand daughter than Tyene does. Doesn’t look right to me, she needed to be more in the Amazonian mold

  363. mooshy
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    i can’t wait to read your books The Bastard

  364. chameleon
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Jaime vs. Cersei vs. Tyrion for house Lannister

    Hmmm, this made me think: are we going to see the second coming of cold, hard Tywin Lannister in Tyrion, after all he’s been through? Finally coming into his House as lord and master, but losing his heart and soul and turning into an even bigger baddie, in the spirit of Tywin? As a real foil to a united Daenerys/Jon, perhaps. Bring it.

    This morning when I saw on the web Alexander Siddig’s picture next to the words “Game of Thrones” I literally jumped out of bed shrieking. I’ve always pictured Siddig as Doran when reading the books, so it’s an AWESOME surprise that they got him! Met the actor in Dublin a few years ago where he was kind enough to take a selfie with me, he was a total sweetheart. And Jonathan Pryce continues the Charles Dance tradition of giving Lena Headley someone so fantastic to play off of…I hope the showrunners know what a magnificent actress they have in Lena. The casting on this series is gold, pure gold.

    On the rest of the characters, I doubt they’re done with casting yet. I hate the way they’ve done Theon’s storyline in the show (torture porn, boring as hell) but I love the whole Iron Islands crazy sea-worshiping, Viking, tilting-at-windmills-always-second-never-first House psychology, so I really hope they keep the Kingsmoot. I can’t see why they wouldn’t because visually it will be very dramatic. Having Asha try and fail at leadership at the Kingsmoot, along with Cersei and Daenerys failed attempts at leadership, would be a good way to make female characters more multi-dimensional, plus be able to explore the theme of leadership in a new way…unfortunately, I doubt D&D are up to it considering how shitty they treat female characters in the show.

    Let’s go two for two then: a heartfelt prayer now for casting Mads Mikkelsen as Euron. He would have both the menace and the eerieness needed for a sorcerer, and he’s not in the series much, at least to begin with, so could probably take the time from “Hannibal.” He needs to consider what a really great TV part did for Matthew McConnaghey in “True Detective” and go for it (since unfortunately no one appears to watch Hannibal except for me…)

  365. RBloodworth
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    See Skrein, Ed.

  366. chameleon
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Thanks for eating my previous post, stupid system! tl;dr version:

    Literally jumped out of bed this morning on reading Siddig was cast…AWESOME. And Jonathan Pryce will give lots of meat for Lena to play off of, like Charles Dance. I for one hope we see a full Kingsmoot, as it’s visually dramatic, along with the theme of failed leadership with Asha/Cersei/Daenerys – an interesting place to take the women characters other than a brothel. Now just cast Mads Mikkelsen as Euron and I will be over the moon with joy!

  367. King Stannis
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    A Sinclair:
    Last time I checked, Tyene was the daughter of a septa, not Ellaria Sand…

    Last time I checked, I was watching a show. Do you watch the book or read the show? Omg!!! What do you know, they are both different form of entertainment.

  368. DocWimsey
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Lady Wolfsbane,

    Lady Wolfsbane: So… IF Arianne is important – why can’t she show up at the start of season six as a YOUNGER than Trystane daughter? If she isn’t important… she won’t ever show up, and there’s your sign…

    Indeed, this is a key the fans forget about series. I remember Harry Potter fans crying that they couldn’t include Cedric Diggory, Cho Chang and Bellatrix Lestrage because the movies didn’t introduce them in the first stories that the books did: only to have them all appear in the first stories where they became important! We have the same thing with Lady Stoneheart: the earliest that character might become important is Season 6 (assuming that he/she/it is important in Winter, which we obviously do not know to be true), but people complained about the omission in Season 4.

    The Bastard isn’t entirely right in his complaints, but he’s not entirely wrong, either. Crows was a poorly written book in the sense that it was trying to tell a story that really relied on dynamic character development (indeed, almost less the evolution of characters than the revolution of characters): but this really fell flat where the new characters were concerned because we didn’t already know them. Martin’s initial static development silly paled next to the development that we had for the veterans.

  369. loco73
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Once again…Alexander Siddig, fuck yeeeeeaaaahhh!

    The man the myth, the legend:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_GaDKRZYuA

    And:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BZz4_ieIc

  370. DocWimsey
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    NYI: The meat of Dany’s plot are the Sons of the Harpy and Yunkai mustering forces. The latter could be preemtively dealt with by Dario.

    Yes, that is the meat of her plot: remember, her contribution to the story is about elevating herself to a queen despite other distractions that all young ladies have. My guess is that Dany’s story line will focus on the internal conflicts generated by being a leader: i.e., her political ideals vs. political expediency. Fans of these sorts of TV series just love that stuff, after all, and it will offer a strong contrast to Cersei (who’s conflict tends to be with reality rather than ideals).

    I realize that given how popular Oberyn’s character was, they cannot simply cut Dorne altogether. I suppose that one possibility is that Trystane is now an amalgamation of Arianne and Quintyn from the books: he’ll be trying to get revenge for his uncle by seating the Kings’ older sister on the throne, to whom he happens to be betrothed. The hardcores will howl because TV viewers won’t be able to answer the faux history question: Arianne was initially betrothed to: a) Rhaegar Targaryen; b) Aegon Targaryen; c) Viserys Targaryen; d) Renly Baratheon because, well, hardcores think that Tom Bombadil was important in Lord of the Rings, too.

    Of course, a big gamble is that Trystane can be Oberyn Junior. Still, elevating Robb to a protagonist worked out extremely well: this is a bigger elevation, but it could work.

  371. Arrowtic
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    AWESOME !
    Just one thing , those who say he’ll have both Arianne and Quentyn’s role , in your opinion what’s going to happen after he dies in this season(as Quentyn would have) ? I mean who’s going to be Arianne of TWOW ?
    I think he’ll probably be just Trystane/Arianne and Quentyn will be cut completely and dragons will find another another way to escape !

  372. Jaqen Hqar
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    wAIT, isnt yezzan the fat guy? the one who buys tyrion and jorah?

  373. Andy Street
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Has anyone considered that rather than cutting out a powerful female character and replacing them with a male counterpart, the showrunners may have decided to actually give Myrcella some agency rather than leaving her as the blank, passive plot device she clearly is in the books?

    I am actually really looking forward to finding out where they are going with this show next year. It will be quite refreshing to be surprised by the show and not know exactly what is going to happen. If I want to read the books I have them right here, they are not going to get magically rewritten if the show decides to make adaptational changes.

    I have to admit thatI would be fairly nonplussed about them cutting all the Aegon stuff, but only because of how it demonstrates the full extent of Varys’s cold, calculating long-term scheming. If they can come up with another way of showcasing Varys that doesn’t require introducing another half-dozen named cast members and throwing another (maybe) Targaryan into the mix completely out of left field then that would be fine too. Will have to wait and see on this one.

  374. Zasadun
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    I’m just not ok with the aspics’s choice. It’s just … NOT RIGHT. I’m open minded, but those girls have to be exotics, but not THAT exotic (for example : the 3 live in the desert, not tanned skin at all? Anyone???) Maybe they’re going to paint them or something but as they ask Kit to go under the sun as he’s from the north, I’m wondering how are they going to explain that Nym is Asian.
    I’m open minded, don’t think the contrary, and some new ideas were nice, and maybe they are tremendous actress but … it’s like taking me, a black guy, for playing JFK.

    In that case, If nobody care about those details, someone has to tell Martin to stop creating physical descriptions.
    PS : I believe the show belongs to the network HBO only now, producers seems to not give a damn interest to the readers (hey we’re here since 1996, from the beginning, respect them a bit, for Christ sake !! ), thinking they are narrow-minded and conservatives.
    That’s not cool.

  375. wizardeyes
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Although it is a shame that they seem to have cut Arianne and Quentyn I must admit that there is a very effective way that they could have Trystane replace both of them and they could kill two birds with one stone.

    As some have already suggested although they would be losing the female influence of Arianne they would be giving more agency to Myrcella – she could actually want to become a Queen rather than just doing what Arianne tells her. So the Dorne storyline for the first half of the season could be Trystane trying to convince Myrcella to become a Queen and conspiring with the sand snakes. I guess Jaime and Bronn will incorporated into this plot. Then the failed Queenmaker moment will happen mid season then Doran will have Trystane and the sand snakes arrested before giving them their new missions which will set up their plots for the second half of the season. Trystane will travel to Meereen to propose to Dany while the sand snakes will go to King’s Landing. And I guess Jaime can then go to the Riverlands for the second half of the season.

  376. Max
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else read an interview with Bryan Cogman a few years ago where he said that of all the upcoming characters, Aeron Damphair was the one he was most looking forward to writing for? I guess he’s not gonna get that chance.

  377. AlayneStone
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    Sad but true.
    On the other hand, next season will probalbly hint at what is key to the end of the story.

  378. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Arrowtic:
    AWESOME !
    Just one thing , those who say he’ll have both Arianne and Quentyn’s role , in your opinion what’s going to happen after he dies in this season(as Quentyn would have) ? I mean who’s going to be Arianne of TWOW ?

    Doran will probably try to marry Myrcella to Aegon (in place of Arianne of TWOW). Aegon is his nephew and the heir to Dorne (with Trystane dead and no primogeniture), so supporting his claim by allying him with a ‘Baratheon’ seems fairly plausible.

    chameleon: a heartfelt prayer now for casting Mads Mikkelsen as Euron.

    Are people still pushing for this? Good luck. This is the closest Mads has gotten to any suggestion of being on the show and I’m pretty sure he wasn’t being serious. (15:00)

  379. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Jaqen Hqar:
    wAIT, isnt yezzan the fat guy? the one who buys tyrion and jorah?

    I’m really surprised they haven’t changed the character name like they did with Jeyne Westerling/Talisa, given he seems like he’s going to be quite different from the books. Instead of morbidly obese, jaundiced and from Yunkai, he seems to be skinny, caucasian and from Meereen (possibly the owner of Daznak’s Pit?) which completely changes/removes that part of Tyrion’s storyline. They should’ve just given him a new stock-standard Meereenese name.

  380. Chicago Ted
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    I still don’t get why people are so convinced that they are going to cut Iron Islands and Arianne. Just because they haven’t been announced them yet doesn’t mean they won’t appear. Remember that cast-video from last year? While it did include important characters such as Missandei and Olenna, others characters such as Ramsay, Tormund and Mance haven’t been announced in it and I remember that many people were convinced that Tormund and possibly even Mance had been cut from the show at all.

    D&D try to stay as true to the books as possible. And while it is clear that completely pointless characters, such as Jalabhar Xho and Strong Belwas will never appear in the series, the Greyjoys each have an important part to play in the books and I think certain events in ADWD made it clear that they will have a part in the endgame. If they cut them, the show will effectively become a new show simply based on the books, not adapting them. D&D love the books and I don’t think they will do such a huge cut. Next season will include Dorne AND the Iron Islands, possibly at the cost of some minor storylines. I think we won’t see much of Brienne, for example, given that Gwendoline is busy filming for Star Wars. Just look at the facts: The same people who managed to give minor characters such as Styr, whose role could have been easily given to Tormund at this point of the story, the very same people are now accused of having cut a major plotline that already got some forshadowing? I don’t think so.

    And while I agree that it is possible to give Ariannes role to Trystane, at least at this part of the books, I fail to see the necessity in this change. Most changes have been pragmatic changes, done for a certain reason. IMO, cutting Arianne but keeping Trystane has no such reason. People really need to calm down and stop whining. Just wait a few weeks/months and then have some fangasms over Arianne and the Krakens.

  381. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Since Yezzan is a big enough character to announce that casting, this makes me think Jorah and Tyrion will arrive in Meereen quite early in the season, maybe episode 5. That makes sense if the Griffs are cut — which means the Rhoyne is cut too. Tyrion goes to Illyrio’s in Pentos for one episode, then goes by sea to Volantis. He can be in Volantis and get kidnapped by Jorah by episode 3.

  382. Kyrion
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Max,

    Bryan Cogman is a writer. D&D adapt the story.

    Trystane has 0 lines in the books :/

    Anyways, heres what I think they are doing~

    But it makes perfect sense to me as I laid asleep dreaming lol

    Trystane and Areo Hotah over Quentyn and Arianne….

    Trystane is D&D’s character they can do whatever they want with him. Whereas Areo Hotah who everyone expected to get the axe(no pun intended) was actually perfect for D&D, since he has no character traits basically, D&D can create their own character through him, they love doing that.

    So yeah, Quentyn and Arianne had too much character and individual stories to be included in this condensed 7 season show, but also D&D can put their own spin on events after Oberyns death.

    And what I really wanted to post….ok so two mentions of the Golden Company last season. 1 time with Davos saying to Stannis they should hire them, well i dont think that will pan out, but the next mention is the most interesting one, it was said by Dany to Jorah that Jorah used to work for the Golden Company in the shows Canon atleast.

    So it leads me to thinking….Second Sons and Stormcrows were merged and are now Daarios group, so Brown Ben is out(Unfortunately) and Tyrion/Jorah wont be joining them. Could it be possible that its the Golden Company that actually joined Yonkai? Its the only Sellsword company mentioned besides the Second sons lol

    The story can be that Varys and Illyrio moved fast offscreen and tried to get Aegon to Dany immediately so Tyrion doesnt meet up with them in the course of them travelling to Dany, rather he meets up with them as they are at Yunkai’s gates, and they are under guise of being on Yunkai’s side. And Aegon will kind of take Quentyns role as kind of the person that goes to Meereen and asks for Dany’s hand only to be rejected cause shell marry Hizdahr. I dont expect him to take Quentyns role fully with the Dragons being release(I hope not lol) but he will definitely be in Meereen if thats the Sellsword company Yunkai hires.

    It made perfect sense to m while sleeping lol it could be that they are ditching Aegon having his own storyline and taking Storms end for time and just move him towards Meereen so hes with the other characters. I hope this is somewhat true lol….

  383. Aion
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Read through most of the comments. What no-one seems to have mentioned is that most of AFFC’s filler was removed in S4 when they jumped to the end of Brienne’s traveling. Something like 15% of the book, statistically. What’s left?

    Cersei turned out to be the highlight of the book with how religion factored in and how badly she did as ruler. Jamie’s initial chapters were largely uninteresting since he and Cersei were in the same place but improved immensely towards the end when they split. Hopefully they let him go to Riverrun or they’ll ruin his story.

    That just leaves Dorne, Iron Islands and Samwell. Dorne was by far the most interesting part of the book until the latter stages… because of Doran and Arianne, along with the rest of the colourful and diverse cast. Remove Arianne and replace with her no dialogue younger brother and you lose the daughter vs. father queen subplot / political intrigue, along with Oakheart and her relationship with him. The Sand Snakes barely even featured. Plus, replacing a strong female with a male, when what makes Dorne so intriguing is its sexuality and equality… it basically ruins the entire arc. And if Quentyn is cut as well, Doran is going to appear as passive and weak-minded as he’s initially portrayed.

    I wasn’t as taken with the Iron Islands chapters and can see those chapters saved for S6 since that arc won’t lead anywhere until the next book. But they’ll probably just skip it almost entirely to fit in the rest of the established cast. Too many characters already. The only sticking point is Loras / the Tyrells. I’m in the Dorne camp but was still surprised not to see ANY new actors for the Iron Island arc.

    In ADWD? S3-4 already covered much of Reek’s story. Bran’s already made it to the cave. Daenarys already reached the ‘lock dragons away’ stage, and they’ll probably skip the Harpy’s Sons chattering. So, that just leaves Jon and Tyrion, in the main. And if they skip Aegon, Tyrion will just end up with his captor straight away. If they speedrun through Daenary’s content as much as I expect them too (already slept with Daario), then there’s not THAT MUCH.

    …basically, I don’t see the need to write out and alter so much. S4 was already alarming with how much it changed for the worse (even before reading the books, could tell what was filler / timeline changes) and now it seems like D&D are openly going to remove fan favourite characters and plot threads. It’s silly.

  384. Sword of the Morning
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    The weird thing about this casting hubbub is that it could easily be resolved by a reporter at Comic-Con asking D&D the simple question, “Are these all the major characters that will be cast this season?”.

  385. StarMinion
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that Keisha Castle-Hughes, who had several high profile roles and an Oscar nomination is playing Obara the oldest snake snake. If Trystane is Doran’s only child and takes over Quentyn’s role and becomes dragon barbeque then I could see Doran legitimatizing Obara and making HER the heir instead. Viewers already saw Bolton legitimatize Ramsay, so seeing Doran do the same to Obara would not be a stretch.

  386. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Aion,

    Stating that Dorne and Arianne are “by far” the most interesting parts of book 4 does not make it objective truth. And stating that the “sexuality” of Dorne is one of its more interesting aspects also does not make it objective truth. I am no prude, and my social politics certainly lean left, but I find nothing particularly interesting about the depictions of sex and sexuality on this show (or in most programming). Whenever GRRm or D&D dwell on that material, I can’t help but borrow from Monty Python and shot “get on with it!” It’s just boring. Yes, humans, as animals, have sexual desires. So what? There’s nothing interesting or instructive or illuminating about it.

    Now, the non-sedentary principles of the Iron Islanders, and the kind of culture and behavior that engenders…That’s interesting! Though GRRM manages to make it a tad boring. Hopefully D&D decide to go there and improve upon it.

  387. Meg
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Wonder if they will portray Doran as a pedophile, as hinted in the books. I would love it because it confirms Cercei’s line “everywhere in the world they hurt little girls”

  388. DocWimsey
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard: Arya, Sansa, Rickon, & Bran’s story lines had some interesting stuff, but nothing major compared to what we saw in the 1st 3 books.

    If you do not consider Arya’s development to be “major,” then you do not think that there are many cases of major dynamic development in general literature! What happens to her in Crows is by far the biggest change that we see in her.

    As for Bran, his plot line (and story line) almost certainly culminated in Dragons. I doubt that he’ll be a protagonist from here on out.

    Sansa has been very slow to develop: indeed, the show has gotten ahead of Martin in her dynamic development. That could represent poor writing. Alternatively, it could simply reflect Martin writing a variety of characters. Sansa is, to be charitable, not exactly very intelligent, and as such dynamic change will come much more slowly for her: she’s not as capable of grasping alternatives as Arya or even the much younger Bran. However, that’s life, and sometimes that is relevant in fiction. (I think that it would have been better if we had seen Maleficent Stark at the end of Crows rather than early in Winter: but that’s a minor criticism on the whole.)

    Rickon is not a protagonist in the books, but instead a foil. However, we now know that some Northern Lords know that he’s still alive, and that he’s now the “lost heir.” Martin has set up another 3-way conflict here, with the 3 surviving Stark children (being a Tree God doesn’t really count as “surviving” here) thinking that the other is dead or a traitor to the family; this will probably be analogous to the Dany-Jon-Aegon triangle and the Targaryen-Baratheon-Lannister triangle and the R’Hllor-Others-Trees triangle.)

    What I don’t quite get is what you consider to be major dynamic character development, if these do not qualify as such.

  389. DocWimsey
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos: Stating that Dorne and Arianne are “by far” the most interesting parts of book 4 does not make it objective truth. And stating that the “sexuality” of Dorne is one of its more interesting aspects also does not make it objective truth. I am no prude, and my social politics certainly lean left, but I find nothing particularly interesting about the depictions of sex and sexuality on this show (or in most programming).

    Your first line is absolutely correct: what people find entertaining and interesting are highly subjective. (I, for example, found Dorne to be tedious and dull in the books, as I didn’t find the new characters well-enough developed for their dynamic development to carry weight or the story.) However, there are general trends: and the simple fact is that a huge chunk of the population finds sex and sexuality very interesting. In many ways, it is the most basic aspect of character development: tell me someone’s sexual history, and you’ll have told me a TON about that person. A big reason why series like Game of Thrones have been successful is that they use this aspect of character development very successfully.

    All of that written, it could well be that D&D simply didn’t see much in this plot line beyond sex: and the rest of Martin’s material offers more than enough fodder for that. In the end, all that this plot-line offers is telling us that Arianne might fancy herself a kingmaker (or queen maker), but she’s actually nowhere near up to the task yet of playing the Game of Thrones, just as Cersei is nowhere near up to the task of being the Omniscient Queen, Asha/Yara is not up to the task of being a Pirate Queen, and Jaime is not up to the task of being his father. The Big Difference? I knew who those other characters were before I read Crows; I didn’t know who the Dorne characters were, and the development offered in that book was inadequate to match 2 or 3 books of development for the others.

  390. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    EndlessJose: white

    He lived in Spain when he was nine though, so at least that might help him get the accent right.

  391. Aion
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos

    I didn’t state that Dorne is interesting as a fact; that’s just opinion. Goes without saying, I thought. But what isn’t opinion is that they’ll rip out the heart of that arc by removing Arianne. There were three chapters involving her heavily in AFFC, iirc: two directly from her perspective and one from Oakheart’s with her. She was basically the PoV character for Dorne. And her younger brother didn’t even have a word of dialogue. It’s not like a heavily sexualised/seductive manipulator can be replaced by a male, either. At best they’d split up her character between the Sand Snakes. It’s just a mess.

    As for sexuality in the TV show, sexposition detracts heavily from it. I HATED Oberyn’s whorehouse scenes; all of which were filler. But in the case of Dorne as a nation, I find their attitudes toward sex and how in control their women are very interesting. That’s what I meant; not that I want TV sex scenes. But, in truth, it does surprise me HBO would remove Arianne simply because she has a sex scene or two.

    I think I wasn’t as taken with the Iron Islands because Theon, Balon and Asha were the linking characters in the past. But in AFFC you’re just left with Asha and a lot of new names, and Asha gets brushed aside by her uncles. Aeron’s dialogue was good… but the Kingsmoot and the rest was predictable and, for me, dull. I appreciated that going after the dragons would make it important later, though.

  392. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    John M W: I’m pretty sure the definition of a douche is a person who thinks nice people are douches.

    ;)

    Quote of the day. Thank you!

  393. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Aion:
    ArgonathofBraavos

    I didn’t state that Dorne is interesting as a fact; that’s just opinion. Goes without saying, I thought. But what isn’t opinion is that they’ll rip out the heart of that arc by removing Arianne. There were three chapters involving her heavily in AFFC, iirc: two directly from her perspective and one from Oakheart’s with her. She was basically the PoV character for Dorne. And her younger brother didn’t even have a word of dialogue. It’s not like a heavily sexualised/seductive manipulator can be replaced by a male, either. At best they’d split up her character between the Sand Snakes. It’s just a mess.

    As for sexuality in the TV show, sexposition detracts heavily from it. I HATED Oberyn’s whorehouse scenes; all of which were filler. But in the case of Dorne as a nation, I find their attitudes toward sex and how in control their women are very interesting. That’s what I meant; not that I want TV sex scenes. But, in truth, it does surprise me HBO would remove Arianne simply because she has a sex scene or two.

    I think I wasn’t as taken with the Iron Islands because Theon, Balon and Asha were the linking characters in the past. But in AFFC you’re just left with Asha and a lot of new names, and Asha gets brushed aside by her uncles. Aeron’s dialogue was good… but the Kingsmoot and the rest was predictable and, for me, dull. I appreciated that going after the dragons would make it important later, though.

    Fair points. I also like the element of female power in Dorne as well. Though I don’t think we can assume that this has been removed, even if Arianne is axed. I imagine that if this happens (and we don’t know that yet) the Sand Snaked may take on a much more prominent role, effectively challenging Doran’s authority.

  394. Ghost of Hardstone
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Hodorkovski,

    The thing is if she is not important then why give her plot to the sandsnakes/Trystane, I am going on a limb here so sorry but she has to be more important than them besides I believe Doran’s plotting is essential and she is the center of his scheming in WoW (from released chapters) I know its all my opinion and I still like the show but it just seems a shame to change her for more irrelevant characters.

  395. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    DocWimsey: In many ways, it is the most basic aspect of character development: tell me someone’s sexual history, and you’ll have told me a TON about that person.

    Interesting. But my sexual history would tell you little to nothing about me. I mean, could you discern from my sexual history that my greatest and most fundamental desire is to explore the unexplored regions of space and time? Probably not…unless, of course, that meant having a lot of sex with Palmela Handerson. :-)

    I think the influence of “sex” on character development, in stories and in life, is wildly overblown. Humans have large and complex brains, and an amazing capacity to move between the abstract and the tangible. These brains lead us to contain complex needs and desires that often transcend the need for bodily pleasure.

    Sex is great, don’t get me wrong. I enjoy it immensely. But it’s hardly a motivating factor in my life. And, I would argue, in the lives of many people – especially people with power, or in exploratory fields. Power and exploration can be just as intoxicating.

    The elevation of sex as critically important to character comes from, IMO, a growing class of unimaginative navel-gazers.

    From my perspective, there are two main paths in life. Star-gazing and navel-gazing. I find the former far more satisfying.

  396. Ironborn
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Max:
    Did anyone else read an interview with Bryan Cogman a few years ago where he said that of all the upcoming characters, Aeron Damphair was the one he was most looking forward to writing for? I guess he’s not gonna get that chance.

    What more did he say in that interview?!!

    Sword of the Morning:
    The weird thing about this casting hubbub is that it could easily be resolved by a reporter at Comic-Con asking D&D the simple question, “Are these all the major characters that will be cast this season?”.

    No, because they simply have to ask the same questions all over again.

  397. EndlessJose
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Troublesome Birdsong:

    Guess so.I just didn’t want another Daenerys story line where the white person is the savior and future leader of a minority kingdom.He just to non-ethnic looking.Pedro Pascal was white but he had ethnic looks and you can tell he was Hispanic.

    I just find it funny Trystane mom and dad are dark skinned but he looks like most of the pale white British actors on the show.

  398. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Ironborn: What more did he say in that interview?!!

    If Cogman said that, D&D must have intimated that Damphair was in, no? Otherwise, why would he assume his inclusion in the show?

    This is the first I’ve heard of this, though…

    Links?

  399. Thiago Waldhelm
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Why recast Myrcella, I say. Whyyy?
    Bring Aimee back!

  400. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Thiago Waldhelm:
    Why recast Myrcella, I say. Whyyy?
    Bring Aimee back!

    Hmmm. I can think of one reason that seems plausible: Perhaps Nell is a better actress than Aimee? Just a thought…

  401. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    EndlessJose:
    Troublesome Birdsong:

    Guess so.I just didn’t want another Daenerys story line where the white person is the savior and future leader of a minority kingdom.He just to non-ethnic looking.Pedro Pascal was white but he had ethnic looks and you can tell he was Hispanic.

    I just find it funny Trystane mom and dad are dark skinned but he looks like most of the pale white British actors on the show.

    News flash. Lots of Spanish people (and Hispanics) are white…

    I’m also a bit wary of the “white savior” thing, but extending this worry to Trystane seems odd.

    That said, the actor playing Trystane, based on his short video, seems to be a real douche. Obnoxious, entitled, bratty arrogance was practically oozing out of his pores. Could this be an indication of where D&D might be taking the character?

  402. Federico Russo
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Definitely I don’t think this is the whole new cast.
    There’ll be new cast than this.
    IMO, characters I think they are going to be announced later will be:

    These one were already leaked:

    Lollys Stokeworth
    Septa Unella
    The Waif
    Varamyr
    Maggy the Frog
    Imogen (young Cersei)
    Brunette Girl (Melara Hetherspoon)

    And these are those I think they are going to join too:

    Arianne Martell
    Quentyn Martell
    Euron Greyjoy
    Victarion Greyjoy
    Wyman Manderly
    Jeyne Poole
    Griff
    Young Griff
    Lyanna Stark

    Maybe they will cut Arianne, Quentyn and Victarion.
    I don’t think they will cut Euron, neither the Griffs.
    Maybe they merge Victarion’s storyline into Euron’s.
    I don’t know if we are going to see Wyman Manderly and Jeyne Poole this season, or next season. It depends on how much they will go with Ramsay storyline.
    And if Ned Stark is returning, as Sean Bean wishes, I think we are going to see Lyanna Stark at the Tower of Joy in Bran’s visions.
    Flashbacks are going to be a thing in this season, we know we will have young Cersei with Melara and Maggy the Frog.

    So, don’t freak out, this is not the entire new cast.
    This is my opinion.

  403. R'hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 3:05 pm | Permalink
  404. alcasinoroyale
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    As for characters like Arianne, Quentyn, Jon Connington, Aegon, Victarion, Euron, and Aeron. D&D have not even confirmed that these characters are being cut from the series. It is still July and it is very possible that they want to keep us waiting for more casting news just like they have done with previous seasons. I remember that they did not announce Iwan Rheon as Ramsay Snow until later and he was a pretty major character. People need to stop jumping to conclusions. If December arrives and we still get no news on these seven characters, then we will have a reason to complain. Spoliers ahead:
    The Griffs cannot really be cut from the series because Tyrion has to meet up with them sometime in Season 5 in order for his storyline to have good pacing as it would make no sense for him to meet Jorah so early.
    We have not seen Balon’s death on the series yet, so maybe that’s when the Ironborn brothers will be introduced.

  405. The Ghost of Nymeria, of House Shaggydog, Breaker of Summer & Lady of the Grey Wind
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Arianne may not be cut. In the books, she does think she’s been passed over as heir in favour of Quentyn. It would seem that Quentyn is def cut and Trystane is taking the salient parts of his role. But the fact that it says Trystane is heir does not 100% mean Arianne is gone. At least I hope not :/

  406. alcasinoroyale
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I just rewatched the scene from Season 2 where Tyrion is talking to Pycelle about marrying Princess Myrcella off to House Martell to form alliances and Tyrion said that Myrcella will wed their YOUNGEST SON when she comes of age.

  407. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    R’hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand:
    ArgonathofBraavos,

    http://winteriscoming.net/2012/10/29/bryan-cogman-talks-season-3-and-adaptation/

    Thanks. For those who are interested, here’s the relevant quote:

    BC: Very hard to choose — I’ve been living with them for so long, I have great affection for all of them (and the actors who portray them). I had a great time writing Theon in Season 2 and I’ve really enjoyed writing Jaime in Season 3. And I always like writing for the kids. There’s a character I love from the books — Aeron Damphair, who we haven’t seen on the show yet, but it’d be fun to get a crack at him. We’ll see.

    So it sounds like he said he’d just like to write the character if he’s in, but there’s no indication that this will be the case…

  408. EndlessJose
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos:

    I don’t need a news flash as I’m half Spaniard myself but the character in the books are more “swarthy” complexions and even Pedro Pascal was white skinned but you can tell he was ethnic.

    The actor Toby has a British look and not Spanish look which is vastly different.He looks like he a singer for One Direction.

  409. AJ
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Since everyone loves to speculate on character cuts based on casting videos, here’s a quick list of the characters announced in the Season 3 New Characters video (they skipped Season 4) at the 2012 ComicCon:
    – Blackfish
    – Missandei
    – Orell
    – Shireen
    – Jojen
    – Meera
    – Beric
    – Thoros
    – Olenna

    However, we’d soon hear about or find others added to Season 3:
    – Mance
    – Tormund
    – Karl
    – Anguy
    – Grey Worm
    – Daario
    – Kraznys
    – Locke
    – Qyburn
    – Edmure
    – Ramsay

    Some of the MAJOR characters in Season 3 were not introduced at SDCC. So, before jumping to any casting/plot conclusions, how about we all assume the new cast is still To Be Continued..

  410. What
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Seriously? Why the actors who will play the Martells and the Sand Snakes are white?? Alexander Siddig as Doran is the only one that pleases me. And why on Earth is Nymeria Sand asian?? Tyene is suppose to be blonde, so they better get her a wig. Obara is suppose to be the “ugly” one and she’s the hottest actress. Scumbag HBO.

  411. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    EndlessJose:
    ArgonathofBraavos:

    I don’t need a news flash as I’m half Spaniard myself but the character in the books are more “swarthy” complexions and even Pedro Pascal was white skinned but you can tell he was ethnic.

    The actor Toby has a British look and not Spanish look which is vastly different.He looks like he a singer forOne Direction.

    Understood, though I don’t think it’s a huge issue (and he could certainly pass as Spanish, though perhaps not quite someone who grew up in southern Spain…). The actor playing Trystane bothers me more on a personality level. That one short clip, and he came across as an insufferable little twit…

  412. strokememarge
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    alcasinoroyale,

    I just rewatched the scene from Season 2 where Tyrion is talking to Pycelle about marrying Princess Myrcella off to House Martell to form alliances and Tyrion said that Myrcella will wed their YOUNGEST SON when she comes of age

    Great catch, I cannot see D&D or HBO ignoring such a major inconsistency in the show as this. Especially when this snippet of dialogue goes viral, we should plaster it all over the internet just for the hell of it.

  413. Ayrakills
    Posted July 26, 2014 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Thiago Waldhelm:
    Why recast Myrcella, I say. Whyyy?
    Bring Aimee back!

    Why not recast? Aimee only ever had 2 or 3 lines and 1 teary eyed sendoff and hasn’t been onscreen in over 20 episodes. According to her profile on imdb she hasn’t appeared onscreen in anything since her stint on GOT ended over 2 years ago.

    Nell at least has a lead role in a tv movie in her credits

  414. BlackTalon
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 4:01 am | Permalink

    Meg:
    Wonder if they will portray Doran as a pedophile, as hinted in the books. I would love it because it confirms Cercei’s line “everywhere in the world they hurt little girls”

    What on earth are you talking about? Is now everyone who likes to watch kids play a pedophile? You must be American.

    There is a scene in book 5 that makes it pretty clear exactly why he watches the kids, and it has nothing to do with sex.

  415. Dame of Mercia
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    I had expected them to go more Latin-American or Spanish with the casting of the Sand Snakes. Still, the Tyene actress is Italian American from what I can tell, which does mean Mediterranean ancestry. I know she doesn’t look like book Tyene (unless they stick a wig on her) but I won’t write her off without having seen her act. I can only place three of the actors after having seen them on TV:-

    Alexander Siddig – I’m surprised by this casting. Not because I think he is not suitable, but he has a fairly significant role in the BBC series “Atlantis” which I believe has been commissioned for a second series, so I thought he would be too busy. “Atlantis” is not a particularly wonderful series to be honest – those who worry that D&D are veering too far from the story as told in GRRM’s ASOIAF in TV “Game of Thrones”; believe me that’s nothing to what the “Atlantis” writers have done to the Greek myths;

    Nell Tiger Free – I am disappointed by the decision to re-cast the Myrcella character. I thought Aimee Richardson really looked as though she could be Lena Headey’s daughter (except that AR is a natural blonde). However, I saw Nell T F in “Mr Stink” and going by that she is a wholly competent young actress (actor???)

    Enzo Cilenti – I saw him in “Prisoner’s Wives” last year playing the part of a man who had been wrongly accused of child abuse. He looked a lot younger (and better) there than in the photograph annexed to this feature. Perhaps they have roughed him up to make him look like a sleaze ball. He was good in “Prisoner’s Wives” – which also featured Ser Jorah and Walder Frey.

  416. frobisher
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    spacechampion: Pryce is a great choice for the High Sparrow!

    http://i.imgur.com/iK4T7qI.jpg

  417. Atomix
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Just a thought – they could be trolling us and the audience by having Trystane be the “heir” in the description. Maybe he’s the “heir” in a Doran plot because his oldest sister needs the impetus to do what she does and Quentyn is “Missing” in Essos sewing his wild oats.

  418. MarkM
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    From SDCC – “The show is the show and the books are the books,” so spake Martin, addressing a recurring line of questioning including whether book fans should stop watching the show until the books catch up. “I encourage people to watch the show and also, for people to read the books. Reading books is good.” The author used his Scarlett O’Hara analogy from ‘Gone With the Wind’ to hammer the point home: “How many children does Scarlett O’Hara have?” Pointing out that she has three in the novel, and only one in the movie, Martin asked rhetorically, “What’s the true story? The answer is she has none. She never existed and is not a real person. That is the situation — the show is the show and the book is book.”

  419. Dutch maester
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    It’s actually interesting to note that of the seven new POV characters in AFFC/ADWD, only ONE of them has been (revealed to be) cast: Areo Hotah. Which is funny because he is arguably the character that was the easiest to cut.

    So, looking at all characters not yet cast, I think the following 8 might still be cast (however, as with Arianne, some are unlikely): Griff, Young Griff, Moqorro, Randyll Tarly, Arianne Martell, Victarion Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy and Wyman Manderly. If all of these are cast we’ll have more than twinty new (relevant) characters, which is huge, and a show that remains quite loyal to the source material.

    However, there is only so many characters you can save for the screen, folks. Lool at the dazzling number of characters (over 50!) that will almost surely be cut: Aeron Greyjoy, Gormond Goodbrother, Maester Caleotte, Jocelyn Swyft, Osmund Kettleblack, Boros Blount, Osney Kettleblack, Osfryd Kettleblack, Ser Shadrich, Val, Dalla, Dareon, Falyse Stokeworth, Taena Merryweather, Gyles Rosby, Mathis Rowan, Nimble Dick, Maester Colemon, Qarl, Rodrik Harlaw, Tristifer Botley, Aurane Waters, Arys Oakheart, Hyle Hunt, Darkstar, Xhondo, Ryman Frey, Daven Lannister, Genna Lannister, Reznak mo Kandaq, Shahaz mo Kandaq, Grazdan zo Galare, Gallaza Galare, Quentyn Martell, Archibald Yronwood, Gerris Drinkwater, Haldon Halfmaester, Rolly Duckfield, Godric Borrell, Yandry, Ysilla, Septa Lemore, Harry Strickland, Widow of the Waterfront, Penny, Wex Pyke, Barbrey Dustin, Whoresbane Umber, Alysane Mormont, Alys Karstark, Jonos Bracken, Tytos Blackwood, Tattered Prince, Arnolf Karstark, Justin Massey.

    Which means that (with or without those mentioned above) we’ll have to expect to see a heavily trimmed down version of the books on the show. That’s gonna happen ANYWAY. Let’s start accepting that and move on and discuss the show having accepted that. For those wo don’t, it will be very hard to still enjoy the show. Do yourself a favor and let the books go while watching the show.

  420. René
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    If bad acting was a reason for recasting we would have a new Jon Snow seasons ago!

  421. Ronin
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    I like them all, just a few remarks:
    – Obara’s actress is too pretty.
    – I expected Tyene to be a natural blonde

    But what bugs me is, where is Arianne??? Don’t tell me they cut her from the show?

  422. Kenmasa
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 11:00 pm | Permalink
  423. Phiiiiil
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Meg,

    That quote from Cersei is supposed to be foreshadowing of Myrcella getting totally pwned by that guy

  424. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 27, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    René:
    ArgonathofBraavos,

    If bad acting was a reason for recasting we would have a new Jon Snow seasons ago!

    I imagine you’re just being funny, but recasting a major main character like Jon Snow would have been far too jarring (and probably unacceptable to most of the audience). Aside from hardcore fans, people will likely have no idea that Myrcella has been recast. And even if they do, they likely won’t be bothered at all. Aimee had about three lines, if I remember correctly, and hasn’t been seen since the middle of season 2.

    I thought she did a fine job as Myrcella, but having not been in the audition room for season 5, I can’t say that Aimee could have pulled off whatever they have in store for the character. Occam’s Razor says that the most likely reason is that Free was better suited, acting wise, for the role. After all, we know that Aimee was given a chance to read for it.

  425. Hodorkovski
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    Ghost of Hardstone:
    Hodorkovski,
    The thing is if she is not important then why give her plot to the sandsnakes/Trystane, I am going on a limb here so sorry but she has to be more important than them besides I believe Doran’s plotting is essential and she is the center of his scheming in WoW (from released chapters) I know its all my opinion and I still like the show but it just seems a shame to change her for more irrelevant characters.

    To give you an idea where I am coming from. I have read the books once and only started reading them after seeing Season 1. Then I subsequently devoured them at a quick pace. I did find the introduction of new POVs after three books and thousands of pages in AFFC problematic. I found it difficult to care for Damphair, Victarion, Arys Oakheart, Victarion, etc.

    The story getting too big is a real problem which the show runners have to tackle somehow.

    I think many of the people who active on the site have read the books more than once, are well-versed in the ASOIAF-world and are invested in the story, but those types of people are not the majority of HBOs audience and D & D cannot adapt the show on their terms.

    As you said yourself, “going on a limb here” and “I believe […] is essential”.

    The closer we get to the end of ADWD, and what we have read about, the worse position we are in to estimate what is essential and what is a mere side-track (which there are many). There’s no news for casting any of the people important for the fAegon-storyline. So maybe that will turn out to be GRRM’s red herring? That will greatly reduce the importance of Doran’s plot. (personally, I am glad, if that happens, since that’s where the thing gets uncomfortably close to self-parody.

    What’s next: the Mad King lives! He is hiding in a basement in Castelry rock. Jaime has been lying all these years to cover up for him. His confession to Brienne was just BS. In fact, no Targaryen died in King Robert’s rebellion).

    “she is the center of his scheming in WoW (from released chapters)”

    I didn’t actually read the Arianne-preview chapter, so I don’t really know about that one.

    “I know its all my opinion and I still like the show but it just seems a shame to change her for more irrelevant characters.”

    It’s very understandable, I’ve hated some changes in the show as well, but these characters are only more irrelevant based on your personal preferences in the story and beliefs about its future direction.

  426. paul
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Wasn’t Doran extremely overweight?

  427. bhd
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    paul,

    No. He has major health issues, can not walk, but that doesn’t mean he’s morbidly obese.

    Most illustrations of Doran Martell depict him as average weight.

  428. omar little
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    WoW! I was looking at some of Rosabell Laurenti Sellers’ performances. She can act !!!
    http://vimeo.com/17558687

  429. Blind Beth
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    I’ve been wondering about how they’re going to play that. This makes a lot of sense.

  430. paul
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    bhd:
    paul,

    No. He has major health issues, can not walk, but that doesn’t mean he’s morbidly obese.

    )Most illustrations of Doran Martell depict him as average weight.

    Thanks, I just assumed he was(can’t have read it carefully enough:)

  431. gianoshoes
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Ayrakills,

    the actress isn’t that much different in age and type as original, maybe the new girl Nell is a better actress. Or they never intended to keep original. I know that the new Tommen is a good actor with stage and onscreen experience.

  432. crabber's son
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    AJ,

    so the season 3 video did have the exact same number of new cast members as this one for season 5. 9 new cast announcements for both so maybe they just think that 9 is a good number and there will be many more to come. I think quentyn will be replaced by trystane which will make his later scenes have a bigger impact. I think we will get about 10-12 more cast members added.

  433. Chela
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    I’m still skeptical about them cutting Lady Stoneheart, as they made a very deliberate point of establishing Beric Dondarrion and his resurrection–an otherwise useless plot-point (so far).
    Sword of the Morning,

  434. Tiggersk8
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    monsieurxander:
    They got JOHNATHAN PRYCE! Fantastic actor. This is going to be so great.

    Looking forward to seeing Alexander Siddig again.

    The Sand Snakes look great. Really intrigued.

    Guys, the casting here is impeccable. Don’t be Debbie Downers by focusing on adaptation changes. Look how good we’ve got it!

    It’s 3:30 ish in the morning here and I just had to literally keep from screeching for joy!! I ADORE Jonathan Pryce and I can’t wait to see him do his usual excellent work on GoT. So excited for Alexander too. It’s been too long since I’ve seen him, so very happy he’s joining the Cast.

    The rest look interesting and I can’t wait to see how it all comes down on screen.

    Is it Spring 2015 yet?

  435. hateracist
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Why the hate on asian?

  436. Batmahon
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Does anyone else think that Tyene Sand’s short hair means she is going to take the role of Sallera Sand and fulfill the theory that she is, in fact, the Sphinx in Oldtown??

  437. sandsnake
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Tyene Sand will have to be one of Cercei’s attendant in King’s Landing. Whatever game Sarella is playing in Oldtown will be revealed in WOW

  438. Batmahon
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    sandsnake,

    What if WOW comes out after this season? I think its very possible that in the show, Tyene could start off in oldtown as the Sphinx and then end up working for the High Sparrow, playing both her and Sarella’s role. I don’t know what you mean by be “one of Cersi’s attendant(s)”

  439. sandsnake
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Batmahon,

    In the last Arianne chapter in DWD Doran gave each sandsnake a task. Obera to supposedly look for darkstar, Nymeria to replace her father on the council in King’s Landing and Tyene to join the faith as a young novice. After the walk of shame, young novices are attending Cercei instead of her regular chambermaids. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tyene wiggle herself into the queen’s service to spy on her. As for Sarella, all signs points that she is the sphynx, but what game she is playing remains a mystery

  440. WalterSnow
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 4:19 am | Permalink

    About the Tyrion storyline and why cutting Aegon en JonCon:
    Tyrion meets Jon and Aegon. Tyrion learns how tro play Cyvasse. Now for some foreshadowing: he plays a game against Aegon. In this Game Aegon places his dragon on the other side of the field. Tyrion wins the game and says: “Always keep your dragon close. It is your strongest piece” (or something similar, since I read the books in Dutch).

    It would seem that with this foreshadowing Aegon, JonCon and the Golden company are bound to lose their invasion of Westeros.

    I can understand why they cut some characters and why some characters are merged. I am re reading the books at the moment (and am reading the final book currently). The Aegon and JonCon storyline is (as far as I can imagine) a lost cause, and will only serve as a trigger for Dany to kick off her invasion of Westeros with her dragon(s). Something else can trigger that.
    Why not have Jorah Mormont and Tyrion find the dragon horn after the dragons escape and Dany flees from Mereen. If she is determined to get to Westeros, she can then hire the Golden Company (since Aegon doesn’t do that ahead of her) and start invading (but then again GRRM has surprised us enough, it could also be that the high sparrow and his holy army will control Westeros in the end)?

    The key to creating 7 successfull seasons of GoT is to cut off some minor storylines (and GRRM has many of these) and keep the core of the story in tact. D&D have been successfull with that so far, so why not in S5 as well?

  441. nignag
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    hahaaa hilarious!

  442. nignag
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    I actually understand most of the choices the Producers make and trust in D&D but fuck that!! Arianne? I was sooooo looking forward to batting off at Arianne with her see-through clothes and pure sexiness! I thought she was the Perfect character for HBO…. (just a whole season of Arianne doing her seduction thang would’ve been perfect!!)

    Let’s just hope the Sand Snakes have ‘Strings’ in their wardrobes

  443. Blind Beth
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Batmahon,

    I TOTALLY CAME ON HERE TO SAY THAT! *cross fingers* Please, D&D, let it be true! I love all the badass ladies on this show, but we need a badass nerdy girl.

  444. matt
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    The show is well acted and has an incredible production value, but the story itself is turning to shit fast. DB Weiss and David Benioff have let the success of the show make them arrogant and forget why the show is really successful: the amazing world and story that grrm created. Season 4 was a near tragedy.

    There is something to be said for the fact that the show will need to run 8-9 yrs in order for GRRM to release book 7 in time (2018), but where will Tyrio go? He has a boat ride and a brief meeting with Illyrio before meeting up with Jon Connington and Aegon. WTF is going on with the Greyjoys? No Victarion or Euron yet? God I hope they include the Damphair too, although ive come to expect disappointment from this fan fiction.

  445. VarysFTW
    Posted July 31, 2014 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Will there be no Val and no Mance bb? I haven’t seen much talk of that.

  446. Biter the Gallant
    Posted August 1, 2014 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    VarysFTW,

    Neither Bowen Marsh, Cotter Pyke or any other officer from the Watch…the Manderlys, Lady Dustin … Randyll Tarly… the Green Grace, Shakhaz or Reznak… anyone from Cersei’s Small Council… neither any Oldtown characters… but BTW I am sure many other castings will be announced later. (for example we know that Maggy the Frog will make an appearance in the show).

  447. argilac's antler
    Posted August 1, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Chela:
    I’m still skeptical about them cutting Lady Stoneheart, as they made a very deliberate point of establishing Beric Dondarrion and his resurrection–an otherwise useless plot-point (so far).
    Sword of the Morning,

    What’s the point of establishing Beric Dondarrion if they cut Lady Stoneheart, you ask? Jon Snow.

    The show did go out of its way to have Melisandre meet the Brotherhood after all.

  448. Marcin Bartnicki
    Posted August 6, 2014 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    I just love Jonathan Pryce as High Sparrow. I wonder if the fact that him and the current (humble) Pope look uncannily alike influenced the decision.

  449. drek skrek
    Posted August 9, 2014 at 1:47 am | Permalink

    Joseph Trueblood,

    Did you make that up? Cuz that never happened.

  450. r
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    RBloodworth,

    I think they are going to give Quentyn’s part to Tristane and combine those two roles into one. Maybe?

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