The idea that landed Dave Hill a writing position on Game of Thrones Season 5
By Lightbringer on in Interview, Production.

Variety published a feature on showrunners today which included a new quote from our very own Game of Thrones showrunners, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.

We learned earlier this year that a new writer was being welcomed into the mix for Season 5, former production assistant Dave Hill. Now we know the one great idea that caught the attention of Benioff and Weiss to help land Hill the dream job, as Variety reveals one of their favorite writers’ room moments:

“We had an assistant named Dave Hill,” say Benioff and Weiss. “One day last summer he walked into our office and said, ‘You know that kid whose family gets massacred by the wildlings? The one who runs to Castle Black to let them know the wildlings are nearby?’

‘Yeah?’

‘Well,’ said Dave, ‘doesn’t it make sense that he’d stay at Castle Black and become a Night’s Watch recruit? Where else is he going to go?’

‘You’re right,’ we said. ‘That does make sense.’

‘And what if during the battle for Castle Black, he’s the one who ends up killing Ygritte?’

This year, Dave Hill is a writer on the show.”

Great to know that Hill had a hand in one of the more memorable moments of Season 4, we can’t wait to see what he brings to Season 5.

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76 Comments

  1. Arash
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Interesting! so a lot of things do happen kida randomly on the show!

  2. Griff
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!

  3. Roey
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what bad idea got GRRM off the writers list this year.. :P

  4. The Loon
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Not a bad idea…just telegraphed from a mile away…so D and D decided to have that kid go to castle black with nothing else planned for him? so why write him going to CB at all? I’d have had Styr kill him during the raid and left it at that…I usually don’t mind changes but that was unneccesary and it’s a little disturbing they had no plan for that kid until Hill bailed them out with the obvious choice…maybe just maybe Jon’s warning was enough

  5. dragonreborn
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    writing a tv series season must be a process with many iterations. they could have done something else with him or even cancel him entirely if Dave didn’t come up with the idea.

  6. Jarin Udom
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Roey,

    The bad idea was writing for the show in the first place. GRRM has already said that it delays the books every time he does that.

  7. Indigo Viper
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    It wasn’t the most unlikely twist in the history of writing,but still i like it when people are open to suggestions,even in a huge project like this one.There’s nothing like a good brainstorm.

  8. CSP
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Roey,

    I heard there’s some book a couple of his fans want him to finish up before the TV series ends or something.

  9. Duval
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t like it. I wouldn’t say it’s bad writing or anything like that, but I always liked the idea of Jon not knowing who killed Ygritte. This and the other Night Watchs show addition (the Crasters Keep storyline) just feel a bit to cliche and predictable to me.
    And let’s be fair, you don’t have to be a genius to come up with this.

  10. arden
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    my cat has a good idea too maybe D&D should listen to her

  11. otia dant vitia
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Well we have to see someone kill Ygritte. Not much of a tv dynamic to have her discovered dead on the field. The boy being responsible for her death in such an ironic manner made sense to me. How better could it have been done?

  12. argilac's antler
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    For me, the kid staying at Castle Black and joining the Night’s Watch was the show world-building. It was a small thing. Most people who watch the should wouldn’t think twice about it, but it was a nice way to show that the Watch isn’t completely full of criminals and noble lords. Sometimes folks join the Watch because they don’t have a place to go. The Watch takes all kinds, especially as deteriorated as they are.

  13. Moët
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    It seemed to me that the kid was setup to kill Ygritte from that first scene where we learn he’s a great archer, Ygritte kills his dad, and his parents become dinner.

    Not that I don’t believe it wasn’t Hill’s idea, but I think it ALL must have come from him, not the way this tells it.

  14. Winnie
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Moët,

    Actually what I think happened is Dave had the idea, based on an early script BEFORE they started shooting, and so based on his idea, they handled the direction of that scene a little differently to fit with the new larger theme.

  15. James
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    It was a good idea, but as someone already said most GoT readers could tell as soon as they showed that scene and the kid was looking at Ygritte as the audience saw from his POV. Sure, as a show watcher it wasn’t predictable and that’s half the audience. Still, it’s a rather obvious choice that I’m surprised D&D and Cogman didn’t realize when they wrote that part. Good idea but nothing special, hopefully this assistant is more of a collaborator and not writing episodes on his own. Otherwise I fear the show will get too telegraphed.

  16. JohnnySD
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Duval:
    I didn’t like it. I wouldn’t say it’s bad writing or anything like that, but I always liked the idea of Jon not knowing who killed Ygritte. This and the other Night Watchs show addition (the Crasters Keep storyline) just feel a bit to cliche and predictable to me.
    And let’s be fair, you don’t have to be a genius to come up with this.

    Some things that work well within the scope of a book experience come off as cheap and unsatisfactory on film and that would be one of them. Almost no one would like it, and most people would feel gipped.

  17. Chloe
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Who give the skeletons’s idea?

  18. jwal
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    at first i thought it was Dave Hill, son of Stephen King…that woulda been totally cool. Read Lock & Key anybody? Amazing

  19. arden
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Chloe,

    doubt anyone will be that forthright lmao

  20. Renly's Peach
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Oh, this bodes well.
    That one stupid kid that got hamfisted into the narrative and killed Ygritte with a cringe-worthy badass nod was created by this guy. And now this guy gets to write whoooole episodes like it. Yup. Not bad at all.

    Get ready for Tyene Sand killing people with her double daggers next season. But not before she says her catchphrase, “Your license has just been revoked.”

  21. me
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    oh wow in that case heres an idea shitmouth is azor ahai, daenerys dies from gonorrhea and the great other is peter pan yayy now make me a writer on the show or better yet make me ceo of your tv network because my ideas are da shit

  22. King Stannis
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Renly’s Peach:
    Oh, this bodes well.
    That one stupid kid that got hamfisted into the narrative and killed Ygritte with a cringe-worthy badass nod was created by this guy. And now this guy gets to write whoooole episodes like it. Yup. Not bad at all.

    Get ready for Tyene Sand killing people with her double daggers next season. But not before she says her catchphrase, “Your license has just been revoked.”

    If you shoot an enemy with an arrow who was about to kill your partner. You wouldn’t nod? I personally I would wink but that’s just me

  23. shk12344
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    …..More like two mediocre showrunners.

  24. Jonathan
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    jwal,

    I bought every book. Great series. However, the author’s name is actually Joe Hill.

    As to Dave Hill, I’m sure he has had to prove himself a lot more than just coming up with this one plot point. If D&D think he’s got what it takes, then I’m sure his stuff will turn out great.

  25. dizzy
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    my fucking sides

  26. BobbyAtomic
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    If only they had some sort of book they could look through to give them ideas.

  27. Zack Luye
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Looking forward to seeing Dave Hill’s work, good luck!

  28. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    That awkward moment when you can’t tell if Lightbringer is being sarcastic or not.

  29. smitzzz
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    BobbyAtomic:
    If only they had some sort of book they could look through to give them ideas.

    Yeah we could have hours of vivid descriptions of food and several dozen episodes of ( in book readers words) boring crap where nothing ever happens so they completely miss the chapters on rereads , sounds like a better option? yeah , thought not.

  30. Renly's Peach
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    smitzzz,

    Spoken like a person who’s never read one page.

    If I hear that bullshit “hours of food description” complaint one more time from people who’s only insight is word of mouth, I will gut somebody.

  31. MrsWun
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    As I watched little Olly’s character this season I wondered… 1) Will he befriend/have scenes with Shireen Baratheon? Kids tend lot gravitate to others their own age when overwhelmed by the presence of adults
    2)Will he take the place of Devan Seaworth and be drawn to Mel.

  32. David Hamburger
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Wow. The amount of blatant disrespect and outright abuse of the showrunners and writers shown in the comments here never fails to amaze me. It’s astounding that people who hate the show and its writers so much continue to watch it. They much have a masochistic streak.

    And yes, anyone who read the books realized that the kid was going to kill Ygritte right from the first scene he appeared in. But, isn’t it just possible that once they had the idea, they wrote the scene that way on purpose?

  33. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Hey Dave and Dan and Dave, Chekhov says hello. Holy obsidian dagger, Aegon, I wonder what will become of Oathkeeper!

  34. A Man Grown
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Renly’s Peach,

    +1 (well, except for the gutting someone part). Many times I’ve seen people insult GRRM’s prose without giving any concrete reasons they don’t like it or offering examples of what they do like. GRRM is a great writer and has been for a long time. Dying of the Light is a perfectly written novel, one of my favorites of all time. Meathouse Man might be the best short story I’ve ever read, disturbing as it is. And if the ASoIaF books weren’t great, this series wouldn’t exist.

  35. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted August 12, 2014 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how I missed that that was the same kid who’s family was slaughtered by the Wildings…

  36. ikriti
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    ikriti,

    as soon as you see the scene where the kid gets killed and he looks at ygritte you know hes the kid thats gonna kill her later, so blatantly obvious. and for that idea he gets to write an episode.. so sad..

  37. jwal
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Renly’s Peach:
    Oh, this bodes well.
    That one stupid kid that got hamfisted into the narrative and killed Ygritte with a cringe-worthy badass nod was created by this guy. And now this guy gets to write whoooole episodes like it. Yup. Not bad at all.

    Get ready for Tyene Sand killing people with her double daggers next season. But not before she says her catchphrase, “Your license has just been revoked.”

    No. Probably more like, “I double dare you!” just before she fights them and dispatches them with them. Yeesh

  38. jwal
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    Jonathan,

    Ah! That’s embarrassing. Yes, Joe Hill. thanks

  39. iinn
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    It surprises me that so many commenters here seem to think that the whole script (or maybe even the filmed episode) of the family being murdered existed beforehand. Of course the script of that episode was edited after the killing-ygritte idea was added.

    It’s not like Dave Hill first saw the episode and then went to D&D with his idea.

  40. Dark Heart
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    It was abit “Hollywood” of them to do that though.

    I’m not saying a kid can’t use a bow, but it was a set up that became too obvious and didn’t lead to anything other than a cliché

    if it had been Sam who took her life, they could have worked that in with the story, and given his and Jon’s relationship an extra layer of conflict. Hell, one of the reasons he could send him away was because he didn’t like to remind himself of her, in Sam’s presence.

    If they still use Olly in season 5, I wonder if they will bring Ygritte up in a convo with Snow

  41. Doombringer
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    Until I read this I did not even think it was the same kid… Would have been better for John Snow to shoot the kid with an arrow, save Ygrette and the pair of them run away to have mad romps in the woods.

    Now the kid has no family and can’t even bust a nut at Castle Black and John Snow will be blue balled until his days end…

    Winter is coming but the men of the nights watch aren’t lol.

  42. Biter the Gallant
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    Actually, most of D&D’s ideas are clichés, more or less. Sometimes it doesn’t matter, they do the job well, but most of their new ideas are quite obvious stuff e. g. “Hey guys, Missandei and Grey Worm have to do something interesting this season, otherwise the two actors would be mere statists.” “OK, let’s make a shy emotional bond between the two.” or “We need some additional sex scenes for the first few episodes, to catch the viewers’ interest.” “Oberyn is murmured in the books to be a promiscuous bisexual, let’s make some gruppen staff part of his introduction.” etc.

  43. vlad
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    The thing is, that wasn’t such a great piece of writing :), the scene at least didn’t look good enough.

  44. A Man Grown
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    Now that you mention it, Sam killing her would definitely have been more interesting. If Olly didn’t exist I would’ve assumed that was where it was going, especially after Ygritte killed Pyp.

  45. Matt
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    James,

    “Half the audience”? Ha! You’re deluding yourself if you think 50% of the people who watch GOT have even read one chapter, let alone the entire book series…

    I’d say maybe 15% have read AGOT, many of which is a result of the show. And maybe 5% have read all the books. You really can’t take a fan site like WIC and hold it as any sort of litmus test.

  46. Matt
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    jwal,

    CRIIIIIINGE

  47. Joe
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    I don’t mind that the show changes things to the books. At least if this is the case, even after the show has ended (long before the books are ever complete) the books will contain an element of mystique (eg. what happened to LS? Who was Coldhands? etc.).

    However the biggest deviation from the books to disappoint me is the lack of random events (such as us never knowing who killed Ygritte) that is shunned – and is always shunned – in Hollywood produced shows/films. By rule everything has to tie together. Nothing in a script is for nothing. In a novel this does not have to be the case and it is made more interesting as a result.

    I would love to see the show have a bit of boat-rocking balls and throw a few red herrings in there, a few ‘we’ll-never-knows’. It doesn’t always have to link up.

    In a similar vein, I didn’ think Shae had to be made so sympathetic before the end of the Season. Why couldn’t she have remained (an albeit fleshed out version of) the simple whore from the books?

  48. All Hail the Wolf Girl
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    jwal:
    at first i thought it was Dave Hill, son of Stephen King…that woulda been totally cool. Read Lock & Key anybody? Amazing

    I thought it was Dave Hill guitarist of Glam Rock group Slade

    http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com//images/magblogs/guitarist/Images/Artists/Dave_Hill-460-85.jpg

  49. arden
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    smitzzz,

    lol how are you going to comment on the book without even reading a page gtfo

  50. arden
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Matt,

    15% where teh fuck are you getting those number

  51. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Dave Hill should have been fired on the spot.

  52. arden
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    My idea Jon gets elected LC – Ollie Headnod becomes Jons steward – Jon trains Ollie Headnod to be the next LC Then have Jon REALLY die from Bowen Marsh(Forget about Jon’s character completely) — Check this out for the super shocking episode 9 twist — Ollie Headnod becomes new LC and takes the offer of Winterfell from Stannis and has a shadowbaby with Melisandre that kills Stannis. Then Ollie Headnod becomes the new Night King

    Make me director now!!!!!

  53. jwal
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Biter the Gallant,

    I agree. Personally, I didn’t connect to Rob’s wife Talisa in the show didn’t add anything for me. Thinking back, I didn’t really think, “oh, poor girl who only wanted to help people”. It was, “oh god, she got stabbed in the belly with baby inside!!!”
    And the changes to Shae added nothing, in the end, basically what happens in the book.
    Some changes are awesome, but based on these two things and a few others, I’m really worried about the Tristain/Myrcella romance next season as well as this new Grey Worm/ Missandei thing

  54. arden
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Forgot to put in scenes of Ollie Headnod getting bullied by Thorne and Jon coming to the rescue.. fuccc

  55. steve
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    If you mean to tell me, they wrote the scene where the kids parents are killed by the Wildlings, before coming up with the idea of having him be the one to kill Ygritte, then I don’t know what to say.

    If you knew the arc for Ygritte and what was going to happen to her, I think 9 out of 10 people would have guessed immediately the kid would be the one to do her in. But if both Benioff and Weiss were that 10th person in a 10 person group, that would not have thought of that, and needed someone else to tell them that…then this lowers my expectations greatly, when and if they have to start making things up on their own because they catch the books.

  56. Hizdahr Zo Loraq for President
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    As long as he doesn’t write another debate over the meaning of “nothing” or 17 more over dramatic crappy lines about “I came from nothing”, “I have nothing”, “I have never been nothing”. …ect. I think he will do just fine.

  57. ash
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Mister Stoneheart,

    Aside from the fact that the book is separate from the show (as has been said by many people this summer, including the author and the producer) and so it stands to reason that they would be differences just because the two media are so different, why would you fire a creative thinking like that? I agree it wasn’t necessary. But it worked, very well as a matter of fact. I look forward to seeing what he comes up with. Fire him, indeed….

  58. MountainthatSkates
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    As soon as a I saw this article I knew it would be some D&D bashing. I’m surprised, maybe it hasn’t been up that long, because I thought it would be much more vicious. I’m really hoping this is more a fun story to tell than the 100% truth. I hope he has proven himself in a score of situations and moments before just saying, “Yeah write an episode”.

  59. kara
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    BobbyAtomic,

    Ha, good one!

  60. kara
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    I wish they would just stick to the story, there are books, that’s all they need. They are so fast to take out characters, combine 3 characters into one, and then waste time making up new stuff instead of just keeping things we want to see. Very annoying.

  61. Scott Glennon
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    *sigh* Not sure what to make of this..

    The North Remembers.

  62. Annara Snow
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Matt,
    No, 75% are reading the books, and 50% have read all the books.

    See, I can pull random numbers out of my behind just like you.

  63. RedHelm
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    “The Simpsons” episode “Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?” comes to mind. Some guy has some idea – let’s make him in charge of important stuff! I had a generally positive attitude towards D&D, as they were making a good TV-show, but now I’m scared. Or maybe I’m just jealous. Maybe if I’d send them my photo with a note that says “Don’t you think I look like Ramsay Bolton?” I’d be a part of a starring cast by now.

  64. Michael Short
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Roey,

    A good idea actually. GRRM had the idea to forgo writing his customary 1 episode this season so he could concentrate on finishing the next book. :)

  65. Joshua White
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Renly’s Peach,

    Martin’s prose are serviceable at best. He was a great idea guy, 14 years ago, when he kept good pacing and clarity in mind and took advice from his editors. He’s always been an info dropper and a “teller”, and some of his frivolous details started really creeping up in Storm of Swords, but the plot and characters and pacing were just so dang compelling, it’s strengths more than make up for his dated 90s prose. But alas, he’s long since let the story get away from him, and now the telling and info dropping is more detached from proper pacing than ever. Good world building should be seamlessly worked into the prose, not detached from it, as Martin often does whenever a new character walks by and must be described, sigil and all, in a voice that often comes off as a disembodied narrator rather than through the lense of the point of view character, and in an unnecessary level of detail that would get any other author tossed into the rejection bin.

  66. Renly's Peach
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Joshua White,

    Well that’s just, like, your opinion, bro.
    I personally like descriptions of things I’m reading about. It does NOT take me out of the narrative nor does it distract. I wish more authors were like that. There are several prominent ones off the top of my head that could use a lesson or two on describing what the hell is happening.

    It’s something that’s been there since book one and is vastly exaggerated by people eager to pounce on the smallest flaw. That you don’t like it is one thing, but to say it’s “dated” or heavy-handed is entirely incorrect.

  67. King Stannis
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    ikriti:
    i cant wait for the day where even unsullied will watch this show and think “this is poor writing/directing”. its coming, david and dan can only screw up so much until unsullied fan base gets bored of it like true blood. this wont end up being a failure because david and dan tried to adapt the unadaptable and while they didnt do the job it was a good effort, david and dan CHOSE to make it unadaptable. this show will not go down as one of the greats sadly because of how they butchered it. enjoy your money d & d i guess…

    It’s too bad you’re just a purist and hate any departure or things change on the show because you don’t understand the difference between adapting a book to film. You can stop watching now, nobody is forcing you and you won’t be missed. Maybe you and Linda can come up with your own version instead of crying knocking someone else’s work because it’s not how you read it. Waaaaaaah… D&D stole my milk bottle.

  68. David
    Posted August 14, 2014 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    And that, in a nutshell, is everything that’s wrong with the way this show is made in the first place.

  69. tdraicer
    Posted August 14, 2014 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    shk12344,

    Always nice to see people with no accomplishments mocking their betters.

  70. elfstone666
    Posted August 14, 2014 at 3:47 am | Permalink

    George Martin and the showrunners have repeatedly stated that the books and the show are separate entities. Are the whiners here dim witted and unable to comprehend this or just plain pathetic thinking they are owed something?

  71. Jimmy
    Posted August 14, 2014 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    elfstone666,

    You made yourself the whiner here I think. You are implying they have said it in a far greater context than they have actually done.

  72. Murks
    Posted August 14, 2014 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Next Season, Captain Obvious gets to write an episode.

  73. Renly's Peach
    Posted August 14, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    elfstone666,

    You’re telling me the show.. and books.. are TWO different things? Like.. two?! Woah. I didn’t know that. Thank you, kind stranger; I’ll spread the word.

  74. ikriti
    Posted August 14, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    King Stannis: It’s too bad you’re just a purist and hate any departure or things change on the show because you don’t understand the difference between adapting a book to film. You can stop watching now, nobody is forcing you and you won’t be missed. Maybe you and Linda can come up with your own version instead of crying knocking someone else’s work because it’s not how you read it. Waaaaaaah… D&D stole my milk bottle.

    To the quote that I hate any departure from the books to the movie you could not be more misguided. Over the past 3 + years i have accepted and respected alot of the changes they have made to the show, while they could have optimized pacing in a few parts better and the general hbo “add titties here” scenes all and all it felt like they did an amazing job.
    I felt/feel like if they could get the first 3 seasons that right then the 4th season which has without question the most exciting/entertaining/thought provoking/ compelling scenes of the story so far, then season 4 would be a no brainer. The purple wedding and the mountain vs the viper were done well, even the hound/arya inn fight which is different in the books i thought they did a great job. But unfortunatly that’s it.

    It also feels like some of the big name actors have this sense of entitlement that they can be arrogant and lazy with their scenes and it shows. Emilia Clarke is the most obvious. You saw her season 1 even dying her eyebrows blonde just to nail the part and now she doesnt do it. Im sure youre asking why does it matter, its one of many signs. The acting doesnt usually draw me in anymore with an increasing group of actors. Theyre getting other movie roles etc. But in the end it starts at the top with d & d.

    They might be burned out. I dont think they care as much anymore about it. They’ve run out of juice and right at the point where they need alot of creative juices going because season 4 should have been the easiest by far. If they cant get season 4 right god help them the rest of the way out. And letting some dude write a show solely from suggesting that stupid transparant group of scenes is more than concerning. They have enough popularity to finish the series in my opinion but by the time it finishes it will be a shell of what it could have been. And all they had to do is go with the story more.

  75. Aggelos Loukatos
    Posted August 16, 2014 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    So whose idea was it that Asha (Yara) should storm the Dreadfort with a bunch of armored ironborn, only to lose to a shirtless Ramsay and dogs? Because that scene, along with the obvious plotline of that child, were in my opinion the worst things of Season 4 by far… The first one was absurd and the second one too obvious and formulaic. Actually I think that the only thing worse than them in the entire series was that Robert Baratheon hunting scene in season one, where the King was hunting on foot, holding a spear awkwardly, while having only three people accompanying him. I know it could be a matter of budget, but even a small close up would help, that scene looked like the creation of an amateur filmmaker.

    Also, even if I accept for a second that the idea of the child killing Ygritte was great, I’ll say this: Having a great idea is very different to writing an episode of a tv series…

  76. Asfastasican
    Posted August 16, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    shk12344,

    Yeah, you’re right. It’s not like they created the most popular show on paid TV or anything.


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