Meet the new editor of Winter Is Coming
By Rowan Kaiser on in General.

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WIC Editor, Zack Luye, will no longer be leading the site. Zack had to step away because of scheduling issues that will prevent him from giving his full attention to WIC.  A really special thanks to Zack, who did an awesome job managing WIC the last six months. While we are sad to see Zack depart, we are excited for Rowan Kaiser, the site’s new editor, to introduce himself.

 

Hi, everyone. I’m Rowan Kaiser, and I’m extremely excited to begin my watch as the new editor of Winter is Coming on August 25th. Game Of Thrones and A Song Of Ice And Fire are some of the best and most fascinating stories being told in popular culture today. Being able to work with one of the biggest sites and communities for both the books and show is, in many ways, a culmination of my life and career as a reader, fan, and critic.

“Such a splendid tale and such a fantistorical! I read my eyes out!” This was my first encounter with A Game Of Thrones, an Anne McCaffrey quote used by the Science Fiction Book Club to advertise A Game Of Thrones. I’d never heard the term “fantistorical” before, but figuring out its meaning wasn’t difficult: this was a story about human conflict and political power, instead of a hero’s journey to save the world from evil wizards, as most fantasy I read at the time was. So I bought it. And it blew my mind about what fantasy could be. It blew everyone’s minds about what fantasy could be.

Then I devoured the second book. And the third. Along the way, I named my new family cat “Imp” after Tyrion. (He’s sixteen years old now, still adorable, less impish.) In the last couple years, the HBO show brought it all back. A Song Of Ice And Fire is still the type of story I want to discuss, share, and love. If there’s one thing I’ve learned in the past four years, it’s that I’m not alone. You all—we all—have found something compelling in these stories.

I’ve been working as a television critic for the past several years, primarily at The A.V. Club, where I’ve reviewed shows like Veronica Mars, Babylon 5, The Originals, and Bob’s Burgers. I’m also a video game critic, currently writing a book about the Mass Effect trilogy of games, and I’ve been published at sites like Ars Technica, IGN, Joystiq, and many others. If you’d like to see a full portfolio, here you go.

My Game Of Thrones-specific work includes this Storify on the show’s geography and military strategy, and this American Prospect piece on how the Red Wedding reinforced the story’s analysis of patriarchal systems. I also reviewed the second season of the show at Indiewire Pressplay.

As editor of Winter Is Coming, I’d like to make two things happen. First, I want to reinforce this site’s existing strengths. This is one of the top Game Of Thrones sites on the Internet, and it got that way for a reason. Let’s make sure that what has made this site great stays around.

Second, I want to take that foundation and build on it. I want more. I want more interviews, analysis, feature writing, explaining, news, debates, reviews, and more. I want Winter Is Coming to be the home of Game Of Thrones and A Song Of Ice And Fire conversations of all kinds. I want those discussions to be ongoing here. I want this to be a site that examines this dense and fascinating series from as many different angles as it can support—and it can support a lot. Toward that end, there are a few regular features I’d like to announce immediately.

  • Starting next week, I’m going to review every episode of Game Of Thrones up to the end of the fourth season on Tuesdays—so there will be a “Winter Is Coming” review on August 26th, if you want to watch along.
  • I’m also planning to start a weekly series of Game Of Thrones debates as soon as we can work out the schedule, with questions like “Is it bad if the TV show gets ahead of the books?”
  • Finally, I’d like more expansive discussions of Game Of Thrones, what influenced it, and what it has influenced, which may include conversations about other TV shows, fantasy novels, video games, films, and more. (Oh yes, we’re gonna talk about Dragon Age: Inquisition.)

And now my watch begins. Let’s game some thrones, everyone!


129 Comments

  1. Patrick Allen
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Congrats Rowan. Excited to have you on board.

  2. Renly's Peach
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    You have been gifted with a visit from the ghost of Renly.

    Pass it on. Renly is life; Renly is love.

  3. GerB40
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Welcome on board. One thing though, Dragon Age inquisition?? Do you even Skyrim Bro???

  4. Meraxes
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Congrats! I’m willing to still give this site a chance, besides some of the features sound very interesting!

  5. Maxwell James
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Welcome & congrats. Have enjoyed your reviews for a while. Stay granular!

  6. Dragonstone
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for all your hard work Zack! Loved reading your posts.

    Welcome Rowan!

  7. otia dant vitia
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Zack for your work, and welcome to Rowan. looking forward to the new developments.

  8. diego
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Congrats Rowan , you got un yours hands the best site about GOT

  9. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Cool, excited for your episode reviews!

  10. Trav
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Zach, in the words of the late George Carlin, “may the forces of evil become confused on their way to you house.” Hopefully the site keeps up with the affiliation with your podcast, as it is always an excellent listen

    Rowan, welcome. You seem to be an intense fan of the material, which can only mean good things. Look forward to seeing what new stuff you bring to the table

    And to GRRM, start the bloody joust, before I piss me’self. I.E. finish the book please. That’s right, comicgirl19, I said it. Feast For Crows was everyone’s least favorite and it took seven years to write. A Storm Of Swords was his best, and it only took one, so I think that means George should NOT take his time writ………..oops sorry, got side tracked

    Again, so long Zach. And well-met, Rowan

  11. Ninepenny
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Welcome aboard the great ship WiC. Always support the bottom!

  12. Kdenn1020
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Does this mean GoO is coming to WotW? Please say yes.

  13. Bookill
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Congrats Rowan.

    From another Rowan.

  14. Tar Kidho
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Goodbye Zack, welcome Rohan… Maybe you can revive some of the old glory of this site? The problem IMO is that as part of Fansided, the number of clicks has become the most important part, and as such it’s all too often quantity over quality. The charm of this website used to be that it really felt like a community run by fans, whereas everything Fansided is just too slick, lacking soul. See this thread for an example of ‘the good old times’. (any editor of this site HAS to know what “Always Support the Bottom” stands for, if not, they are merely imposters) I did enjoy reading about your early love for the books and tv series as it filled me with hope. Your list of plans for the site, however, also make you sound much more like the current WiC than the oldschool version. Again, less is often more…

    Some things that I hope to see return to the site:

    - a section listing the characters/casted actors, separated by ‘region’ and season
    - an episode guide (would fit in nicely with your planned reviews of all episodes)
    - the WiC.net Awards
    - Posts by Hear Me Roar and Fire and Blood (are they just on holidays, or did I miss something and are they no longer part of the team??)

    Oh well, excuse me my melancholic ramblings, and I do wish you all the best here at WiC.

  15. Bard
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    They’re no longer part of the team, they left to start their own site, WotW.

  16. Fred Barnes
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    Most of the original writers left to create their own site for various reasons. This was not announced on this website, and Fansided have not ackonowledged their departure. Comments mentioning the site have been deleted. Earlier today I posted a comment that was not deleted. I hope Fansided are now prepared to acknowledge their departure, as I’m sure it will help to prevent antagonism between the two sites. Turning over new leaves and all that.

    Anyway, I wish the new editor the best, and I hope there are sufficient differences (which is inferred, despite some of the obvious overlap). Having two brilliant GoT websites is far supeior to one, so I wish bith websites luck, and I look forward to some of the new content.

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  17. Jon Snow
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho:
    - Posts by Hear Me Roar and Fire and Blood (are they just on holidays, or did I miss something and are they no longer part of the team??)

    HmR and FaB are part of a team on a different website. I’d post the link, but it will be removed. Hell, just informing you that they’ve left might get this removed.

  18. Tar Kidho
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Thanks guys, I found it. They had some (potentially) great news concerning Wilko Johnson, illustrating right away that two sites are better than one.

  19. BenesHacha
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Fred…I’d been wondering where the quality (/”stuff I enjoyed reading”…I suppose quality is to some degree subjective) disappeared to.

  20. Cumsprite
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    I liked Mr. Luye very much. A really good egg. He cared about the community and maintained a sense of humor.

    Raise your hand if you are surprised he is no longer here.

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

  21. Julia Mathias
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Very happy to talk Dragon Age, have to say.

  22. Brendan Fitzpatrick
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Does this mean Game Of Owns will also no longer be promoted by WICnet? As I grew unhappy with the changes to Wicnet over the last year, the thing that kept me coming back was GOO. Good Luck To the new editor Rohan, hopefully he can turn the ship around. FanSided really hurt what this site used to be.

  23. Rowan Kaiser
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the kind words, everyone!

    Brendan Fitzpatrick,

    As far as I know everyone wants GOO to continue to be part of the website. I’m not involved in those negotiations directly right now so I don’t know more than that, but it sounds like it would be surprising if it’s not still here.

    Bookill,

    We are rare but we are strong! Although there are two of us in the ASOIAF books. So not totally rare.

    GerB40,

    I’ve got three digits of hours played in Skyrim that suggests that yes, I even. But it’s not coming out with a new game this fall, nor is it as clearly GOT-inspired.

    As for some of the grumpier posts: I’m sorry, I wasn’t here when whatever went down went down, but I’ve seen that happen at other websites I was a part of so I understand that there’s pain (Hello, A.V. Club). That said, I have no plans to pretend like other sites don’t exist or delete relevant comments mentioning them. They’re not my enemy, and I hope they don’t see me as their enemy. Everyone benefits from a vibrant, diverse Thrones community.

    Rowan

  24. Patty Maner
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Congrats and welcome. I love this site!!

  25. The Dragon Demands
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Please read this post very carefully.

    I am an Administrator on the Game of Thrones Wiki. We had 8 million individual hits the week of the Season 4 finale.

    This is not “WinterIsComing.net” anymore. WinterIsComing.net became famous because a set of about five or so mega-fans (mostly familiar with the books) were updating it since the show began. Then Phil (WinterIsComing.net) had to drop out of fandom for personal reasons, so he sold it to FanSided.

    Immediately, FanSided cut these four other major editors out of the loop.

    You stopped reporting on actual news or commentary, but started making “filler posts” to live up to daily quotas…leading up to the inane “Lannister flavored vodka cocktail” posts.

    You have stopped reporting on filming news from Northern Ireland and Croatia, or you only repeat things other news sites already report, faster (because your attention is divided between quantity over quality).

    “WinterIsComing.net” is just a brand name – the soul of it were those core writers.

    You bit the hand that fed you, and were left holding an empty bag that said “WinterIsComing.net” on the side.

    The four core writers who always made WiC.net what it was resigned en masse and founded a new fansite: WatchersOnTheWall.com.

    Your “new WinterIsComing.net” made no attempt to liveblog the Thrones nominations for the Creative Arts Emmys. You only reported the winners much later, after other news sites were already reporting them.

    We don’t want you to turn Thrones into the next “it” show, with “Thrones inspired Cocktails!” or shallow reporting on the twittervere reactions.

    You have no real grasp of Game of Thrones fandom. You had four editors who did and you cut them out of the picture. You know how there was that fear when Disney bought Marvel, “oh no, what if they fire all of the people that make Marvel “Marvel” and just make it more of the same?”…..didn’t happen because Disney was smart enough to leave well enough alone and let the people on the local level do what they already know how to do. Instead, you’re living in the nightmare scenario: you bought WinterIsComing.net and gutted everything that made it worthwhile.

    Joke’s on you, of course, I don’t think you anticipated that the original editing staff would just set up shop all over again on a new website. Within a year’s time it will outpace this bag of beans that you have bought.

    Now I’m sure you read a lot of these complaints in the comments sections every day, and frequently delete them. So long as your eyes read this once it doesn’t matter, I meant it as a communication directed at you.

    My message is this:

    The Admins and regular editors on Game of Thrones Wiki, though taking no official “choice”, have already come to rely on WatchersOnTheWall.com as our go-to news source. Simply because they post more “actual news” about the on-location filming. Why would a wiki searching for news information post a link to a WinterIsComing.net post on…cocktails? The wiki now has an increasing number of links to WatchersOnTheWall.com’s “actual news reports”, which will drastically increase its site viewership. While you…post your own reviews and debates, which we have no need to link to?

    When people think “the most up to date news on Game of Thrones’s production”, they’re already starting to think “WatchersOnTheWall.com”, not WinterIsComing.net anymore.

    Your FUNCTIONAL PLAN is to make episode by episode reviews? You and every other blog on the internet! What makes yours unique!

    If you don’t have the set reports people will stop coming. The four original editors on here had all of the local level contains from the filming locations who continue to feed them information. You do not.

    So if you were going to shrug of WatchersOnTheWall.com as a tiny startup that couldn’t spread news about itself because you’re deleting comments about it on your own site….Game of Thrones Wiki gets millions (officially, millions) of visitors, and anyone looking up our “Season 5″ page for news is seeing links to all of the news stories that WatchersOnTheWall.com reported on and that you didn’t.

    My advice Rowan is to do what Zack did…flee WinterIsComing.net like rats fleeing a sinking ship. There is no future here.

  26. Adam Best
    Posted August 18, 2014 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Everybody,

    I’m Adam. I founded FanSided with my brother Zach over 7 years ago. Our founding principle was: 1.) Die-hard fans deserved more content and better quality surrounding their favorite topics. That’s the spirit that we’ve tried to bring with us to WiC, one of the best fan communities in online history.

    I haven’t chimed in on this site yet because it’s not the typical thing for a CEO to do, but screw business etiquette, we’re not your typical company. We’re down to Earth; a family-founded bootstrapped start-up. Our readers, the fans, mean everything to us. We’re fans ourselves. I’ve been into the fantasy genre ever since I picked up the Hobbit in third or fourth grade. I’m fanatical about Batman and the Kansas City Chiefs and Led Zeppelin and Battlestar Galactica, among other things. Our entire team is comprised of fans. Many of us are rabid fans of this show (especially long-time book reader, Patrick Allen). We get it.

    I want Rowan to get a clean slate here, so now was the time to speak up. We scoured the Internet for the best writer covering Game of Thrones after Zack’s schedule prevented him from continuing (HUGE thanks to Zack, by the way, for the time and energy he invested here), and it became clear to us pretty immediately that writer was Rowan. He’s also a kind and humble dude who has genuinely loved the series for nearly as long as it has been around. Please give him a shot. We’re really confident in his abilities and vision.

    When it comes to the four staffers that started the new site, they were not given a curtain call because they left on bad terms. Both our executive team and the editor were united on that front. We can tell it means a lot to the community, so if they’re willing to be professional, we’ll find a way to work out a proper goodbye. We’re with Rowan; the Internet and fandom are big enough for two great sites covering GoT. This wasn’t about competition, it was about conduct.

    As far as comments mentioning the new site being deleted, that was an editorial choice, not an executive one. We like to allow our editors to run sites nearly carte blanche, very periodically posting a FanSided-related post to help the rest of the company (not to mention the hundreds of writers we pay), which funds the additional resources that have been poured into this site (and will continue to be). You heard it straight from Rowan: WiC is not going to do that any longer (unless comments are disrespectful).

    If you have complaints about WiC, please send your thoughts in the form of constructive criticism to support at fansided dot com and/or to Rowan. I personally guarantee you that we will read and take to heart each e-mail where a reader takes the time to respectfully offer feedback. We are committed to bringing you the best GoT site online and this will help facilitate that. Your feedback is essential to us accomplishing that.

    We’re also totally willing to continue our partnership with GOO and have even made an offer to pay for it to be licensed for WiC. It sounds likely that the show will continue to appear here, but ultimately that isn’t up to us.

    Thanks for listening! We’re excited for Rowan’s watch and think you’ll really enjoy it.

    - Adam

  27. ATG
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    Adam Best:

    When it comes to the four staffers that started the new site, they were not given a curtain call because they left on bad terms.

    - Adam

    I wonder why… well since my last post last night was deleted Ill say this as politely as possible. You destroyed what WiC was and replaced it with something entirely different and “I will never forgive your ass for this shit”. Now go ahead delete this post as well, Im out.

  28. Bashful82
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 4:19 am | Permalink

    Well I do think the site lost a lot of what made it special. I shall what happens but frankly I think the FabFour were treated badly. Far too many click baits and new sections which I think were superfluous (Dame of Thrones and Cocktails spring to mind).

    But as you say, the Internet is a big place so plenty of spaces for different sites, both this and watchersonthewall.com.

  29. Bashful82
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    I see my post was deleted even though I felt it wasn’t attacking anyone or anything. If you are saying you are intending to be open then preach what you practice — otherwise, it’s all gone very 1984.

  30. KG
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 5:13 am | Permalink

    Hiya!

  31. KG
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    Adam Best,

    Eh, they left, whatever. They encouraged cliquishness way too much and moderated way too little.

  32. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    As a Bioware fan, welcome aboard this freight train of emotions…

    Hold on to your butts!

  33. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    ATG,

    Besides the Fansided banner at the top, Im failing to see what huge monumental changes happened to the site?

    We still get tons of updates, usually daily, and lots of great new features. Yes, some of the stuff is stupid, like the cocktails thing, but for the most part the good, juicy info still flows in regularly.

    So again, whats the problem?

  34. Kdenn1020
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Ser Matt the Sullen,

    Tell that to the barren comments sections on this site. Clearly the majority was concerned.

  35. Chuck
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Dude, no spoilers. I just finished season 1! Good times!

  36. Littleflowerfarm
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    Thanks for posting this. My thoughts exactly.

    Bard,

    Thanks for the info, I miss them. I know where I will be headed next.

    BenesHacha,

    Me too.

    Adam Best,

    Wow. This explains a lot. Although likely not in the way intended.

  37. Bashful82
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Well my post was deleted – or not even approved even though I said nothing bad. If you are serious about co-existing with other sites, you should be less 1984 about it!

  38. KG
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Like I said – they encouraged the clique mentality. It was getting as bad as westeros.org .

    Kdenn1020:
    Ser Matt the Sullen,

    Tell that to the barren comments sections on this site. Clearly the majority was concerned.

  39. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Adam Best: When it comes to the four staffers that started the new site, they were not given a curtain call because they left on bad terms. Both our executive team and the editor were united on that front. We can tell it means a lot to the community, so if they’re willing to be professional, we’ll find a way to work out a proper goodbye. We’re with Rowan; the Internet and fandom are big enough for two great sites covering GoT. This wasn’t about competition, it was about conduct.

    I really don’t like this quote. It is backhanded pointing of fingers and blame. “if they are willing to be professional” and “conduct”. Usually one writer leaving isn’t a big thing but rarely do 4 people leave at once because of “conduct” seems to be insinuating that they are all to blame. Wouldn’t it have been enough just to say that there were differences and that they left due to those differences? Rarely is one side blameless.

    And with 2 of these members being original writers to the site… big reasons to why WiC is what it is… To have no comment as to them moving on is unfortunate. Good terms or not… people come here because of them.

    I have frequented WiC less lately because the content has become more about quantity rather than quality. I have not been a fan of the Fansided transformation. Spirits of Westeros column was particularly atrocious.

    Hopefully this gets rectified and then I will have 2 websites to frequent… if not there is alway Watchers.

  40. Sunspear
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Adam Best:
    Hey, Everybody,

    I’m Adam. I founded FanSided with my brother Zach over 7 years ago. Our founding principle was: 1.) Die-hard fans deserved more content and better quality surrounding their favorite topics. That’s the spirit that we’ve tried to bring with us to WiC, one of the best fan communities in online history.

    I haven’t chimed in on this site yet because it’s not the typical thing for a CEO to do, but screw business etiquette, we’re not your typical company. We’re down to Earth; a family-founded bootstrapped start-up. Our readers, the fans, mean everything to us. We’re fans ourselves. I’ve been into the fantasy genre ever since I picked up the Hobbit in third or fourth grade. I’m fanatical about Batman and the Kansas City Chiefs and Led Zeppelin and Battlestar Galactica, among other things. Our entire team is comprised of fans. Many of us are rabid fans of this show (especially long-time book reader, Patrick Allen). We get it.

    I want Rowan to get a clean slate here, so now was the time to speak up. We scoured the Internet for the best writer covering Game of Thrones after Zack’s schedule prevented him from continuing (HUGE thanks to Zack, by the way, for the time and energy he invested here), and it became clear to us pretty immediately that writer was Rowan. He’s also a kind and humble dude who has genuinely loved the series for nearly as long as it has been around. Please give him a shot. We’re really confident in his abilities and vision.

    When it comes to the four staffers that started the new site, they were not given a curtain call because they left on bad terms. Both our executive team and the editor were united on that front. We can tell it means a lot to the community, so if they’re willing to be professional, we’ll find a way to work out a proper goodbye. We’re with Rowan; the Internet and fandom are big enough for two great sites covering GoT. This wasn’t about competition, it was about conduct.

    As far as comments mentioning the new site being deleted, that was an editorial choice, not an executive one. We like to allow our editors to run sites nearly carte blanche, very periodically posting a FanSided-related post to help the rest of the company (not to mention the hundreds of writers we pay), which funds the additional resources that have been poured into this site (and will continue to be). You heard it straight from Rowan: WiC is not going to do that any longer (unless comments are disrespectful).

    If you have complaints about WiC, please send your thoughts in the form of constructive criticism to support at fansided dot com and/or to Rowan. I personally guarantee you that we will read and take to heart each e-mail where a reader takes the time to respectfully offer feedback. We are committed to bringing you the best GoT site online and this will help facilitate that. Your feedback is essential to us accomplishing that.

    We’re also totally willing to continue our partnership with GOO and have even made an offer to pay for it to be licensed for WiC. It sounds likely that the show will continue to appear here, but ultimately that isn’t up to us.

    Thanks for listening! We’re excited for Rowan’s watch and think you’ll really enjoy it.

    - Adam

    While I’m glad you guys have finally addressed this, I feel it’s a huge disservice to all the hours and work those former staff had done when WiC doesn’t even acknowledge them leaving. Yes, they started what is a probable competitor, but that doesn’t somehow rule out everything they’ve done for WiC. They deserved a goodbye post or at minimum a thank you. Instead, its like they ceased to exist, which is a tremendously disrespectful way to treat contributing staff. I can’t imagine it helped when potential community contributors look at how those guys were treated and had second thoughts of helping out here. In the end everyone is a fan and everyone was in it together. They deserved better treatment despite whatever disagreements happened in the end.

    I’ll probably read both sites but its a shame it turned out this way. It is possible to write “its unfortunate they left and we had disagreements with the final moments of separation, but we appreciate all that they’ve done” and that’s enough. In the end they’re just four people and you guys run a successful website and from what I can tell a relatively successful network, you guys can take the high road and just give a one liner thank you, no matter who you felt was “right” in those final arguments.

    I’ve had similar conflicts come up in websites I’ve run and as someone who tries to “do the right thing” in these situations, its almost always filled with regret when the parting is done badly. I hope you guys work it out.

  41. Fred Barnes
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Sunspear,

    That is an excellent, balanced piece. I couldn’t sgree more on every single aspect you wrote.

  42. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    I just put a comment up that was deleted as well… It was critical but it wasn’t disrespectful… and in the end it wished the change of direction well.

    So much for everything that was written above by Adam and Rowan.

  43. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Comment was regarding Adam backhandedly pointing blame those who left. Rather than just say there were creative differences and move on. Blaming their “conduct”. Usually both sides have fault.

  44. James
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    I’m excited for all the new content. I always liked this site more than all the others and always wanted to see more from it just because I’m a GoT fanatic. More reviews, discussions about everything GoT related, and maybe something like a characters list from the show with a biography and some info and pics of the character would be really cool too. Maybe something about geography, listing all the different relevant areas (or even ALL the areas…that would be something!) from the A song of ice and fire series with some information, facts, or nuggets about each area and who hails from the area, etc etc.

  45. Dale Rippke
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Welcome to the site Rowan. I think we are in good hands. I’ve been enjoying your look back at Babylon 5 for the AV Club and I hope that somehow you find the time to finish it since it was nearly done. Anyway, I’m looking forward to your contributions.

  46. Mad Hatter
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Next in the ASOIAF chronology: Naps with Kittens.
    New character perspective: Furball.

  47. James
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    More polls would be great too. I’d love to see us fans getting to vote for “best newcomer for each season”, “character you want to see return the most that hasn’t been on the show for at least one season”, “favorite lannister/stark/etc”, “who would make the best king?”, “which 2 characters would you want to see meet up that haven’t yet”, “which location would you want to see the most that hasn’t been shown yet”, “which religion would you follow if you were in westeros”, “which is your favorite house/location”, “which characters would you want to see fight each other the most/or fight in a melee tournament”, etc etc

  48. James
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    All he said was that they left on bad terms. That’s not pointing fingers or assigning blame to someone, it’s stating a fact. They left on bad terms. Whether it was them who caused it or someone else doesn’t matter, the 2 sides clearly departed on not good terms and so they aren’t going to do a curtain call for people who probably left with their middle fingers up. None of us know what happened and he could have said they had creative differences or pursued other things, but he chose to be honest and state a fact. Plus, all they did was write solid articles every full moon or so about GoT. There’s a trillion GoT fanatics out there, there’s plenty of talent out there that can match or do better them. All they’d really have to do is provide more, more, more!

  49. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    James,

    It was a backhanded inference that they were unprofessional and that is was their “conduct” was the reason as to why they are no longer at WiC…

    Everyone is much better off taking the High Road in situations like this. As Sunspear laid out above, A simple notification citing creative differences and thanking them for their past contributions and then moving on.

  50. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    James,

    I would also disagree… more, more, more is not always a good thing. If you are talking just to talk then what is the point? Quality of content matters more than quantity. More, more, more gave us watered down content like Spirits of Westeros.

    FaB, Fury and HMR were with Winter Phil the start of this fansite. It was their content that built this sites popularity. So to essentially say good riddance to that seems incredibly sad.

  51. KG
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    They said “good riddance” to that “small family” thing when they took the cash.

    ShadowStalker:
    James,

    I would also disagree… more, more, more is not always a good thing. If you are talking just to talk then what is the point? Quality of content matters more than quantity. More, more, more gave us watered down content like Spirits of Westeros.

    FaB, Fury and HMR were with Winter Phil the start of this fansite. It was their content that built this sites popularity. So to essentially say good riddance to that seems incredibly sad.

  52. loco73
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Ever since Fansided has taken over this site, they have driven out all the old fandom, the creators and editors of this site, and turned it into a place no longer worth my time to visit or post in!

    Thank the Seven I no longer have to come here, because it had become unbearable…a veritable repository of turds!

    Good riddance…Winter Has Come And Gone…you’re just too blind to see it!

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”

    Albert Einstein

  53. Fred Barnes
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Adam Best,

    Well, welll well it looks like Game of Owns has shifted across too. i’m sorry, but something isn’t right, and I think a full post should acknowledge all the departures, and welcome in what is effectively a new website (albeit with a moderate following).

  54. Bliss
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Game of Owns have indeed left and taken the black at the new site now. Rowan, I’m sorry to say you have boarded a sinking ship. Good luck.

  55. Bliss
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    For anyone interested in continuing to follow the podcast, the new site is watchersonthewall.com . Also it’s worth saying that “Always support the bottom” belong to the community the old team built, the words like those that choose them are not tied to this particular site anymore. I wonder how quickly this post will be deleted.

  56. Monica
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Welcome!

    Will we get Oz, Fab and others, back?

    I’m all for good writers!

  57. Bliss
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    Adam Best,

    Eh, they left, whatever. They encouraged cliquishness way too much and moderated way too little.

    Lol, nice try Fansided minion.

  58. Cynthia
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Monica,

    That’s unlikely. They’ve migrated to a new domain without lame drink making videos.

  59. Tar Kidho
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    A reality check of what went down, and why, is definitely called for it would seem now that GOO has left as well. Money does not buy you loyalty of the fans, and all of the beloved writers and editors were foremost just that.

    I too wish you the best of luck, Rowan, and I’ll be keeping an eye out to see if you can turn things around over here.

  60. Queenofthorns
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Really KG? I guess I don’t know for sure but j would have assumed that decision (and any monetary rewards) would have been winters’ alone as the owner of the site. AFAIK FaB, OitF and HmR were brought on to the staff, not actually co site owners with winterphil.

    Anyway I’m curious about how the sale happened In the first place. There was always somethjng that felt a bit shady… And now we know that the original editors have been increasingly shut out of site business and not even a word about it (other than some passive aggressive sniping from Adam west above)… It’s honestly No wonder they started a rival site.

  61. Mostafa Shawky
    Posted August 19, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!

  62. Lyanna Mormont
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    When there’s a sudden “Welcome to the new editor!” post with no word from the departing editor, that’s a clear sign that things are not all well. Ah well, goodbye WiC, I’ll remember you as you were, and there’s a new place to get my GoT needs fulfilled.

    And KG, “they” didn’t take the money. The owner who sold WiC (in good faith) was not one of the four who started the new place. And I very much doubt he’s happy with the way things turned out here, either.

  63. Patrick Allen
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    Frankly, at the moment the site is in transition. There are currently no moderators at all. If comments are being deleted, I’d wager it has something to do with the auto-spam filter and how it was set up by previous staff.

  64. Bashful82
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Well that was a passive aggressive comment if ever there was one.

    Fact is, Fansided have screwed up WiC. It will be interesting to see if the shows producers will be as interested in this site as they were or whether they will use the site set up by the FabFour.

  65. Balerion The Cat
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Bashful82,

    The only show producer that visited WiC is Bryan Cogman, I don’t know if he will stick with WiC or the new site but he is aware of it as he did post in the FabFour’s site wishing them good luck :)

  66. Jen@House Stark
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    KG,

    KG, come to Fleas, sweetie, I miss ya :hugs:

  67. Adam Best
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Excellent points were made regarding thanking the four staffers who started the new site for their hard work, regardless of creative differences. We definitely appreciate all the effort and TLC they put into the site. They were instrumental in helping Phil build an audience here and that will always be part of this site’s legacy. We wish them nothing but luck in their new endeavor.

    We don’t feel like they ever truly gave FanSided a chance, but in the end they wanted to do their own thing and that’s totally OK. Their new site’s comment section is also a dogpile full of negativity (bash me or FanSided all you want, I suppose, but everybody should give the reputable new editor we hired a shot because he has a fantastic track record). We’d like to avoid that here. We don’t even want competitor sites to get badmouthed — we would prefer a more positive, supportive, show- and book-focused community.

    You will never see us badmouth that site on WiC (or allow it to be badmouthed), and if we do for some reason we want to hear about it. No reason a large fan site can’t serve the fans and remain super professional. We also want this site to feel inclusive to all GoT fans. Keeping the dialogue here positive should help accomplish that, make all fans feel included.

    On Game of Owns, the GOO folks felt that the part of the very vocal minority that seems to have shifted to the other site was the heart of their audience. They also had a relationship with the people running the new site over there, and felt more comfortable with that than with the unknown here. Zack and co. aren’t malicious and neither are we. There’s no bad blood between WiC and GOO. The show won’t be easy to replace, but we’re confident we’ll find other ways to offer variety and quality, keep readers pleased. Video is something we’ll continue, and we’ll work hard to make sure we keep improving there.

    We’re taking some heat right now. That’s totally fine. We’re not above criticism. Our traffic still looks good, however, and some of the private and social feedback has been open minded and positive (some comments here as well). That tells us most of the audience is going to give Rowan and the new regime a chance, which is great.

    We’re going to be offering more paid opportunities to build the best GoT-focused staff online, and working extremely hard to prove to our audience that we’re still one of the best fan sites on the Internet hands down. Really, really appreciate those of you who are sticking with WiC despite the changes. We won’t let you down.

    - Adam

  68. Lyonel Selmy
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Adam Best:

    Their new site’s comment section is also a dogpile full of negativity (bash me or FanSided all you want, I suppose, but everybody should give the reputable new editor we hired a shot because he has a fantastic track record)…

    …You will never see us badmouth that site on WiC (or allow it to be badmouthed), and if we do for some reason we want to hear about it.

    Look, I think everyone appreciates the effort put forth to communicate with people on this site and I don’t want to downplay that, but has it really gotten to the point where the CEO has to try to justify shortcomings on this site by going out of his way to mention that other sites are lacking or bad? Then, immediate claim to be above badmouthing?

    If we’re all open to constructive criticism, here are my thoughts (echoed by a lot of similarly minded fans):

    -Perhaps most relevant: Transparency about changes, especially when concerning writers, editors etc. leaving. Prime example: I commend you for addressing GoO and their departure, however that should deserve an announcement rather than a sentence in a comment buried in the comment thread. Seeing as how so many fans enjoyed GoO, an easy-to-find announcement seems appropriate.

    -Less clickbait.

    -Quality over quantity. I’m certainly not the first to touch on this. Real digging for news, confirmed updates not rumors, quality writing. Authors, not vague “WiC Staff.”

  69. Lyonel Selmy
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

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    Adam Best:

    Their new site’s comment section is also a dogpile full of negativity (bash me or FanSided all you want, I suppose, but everybody should give the reputable new editor we hired a shot because he has a fantastic track record)…

    …You will never see us badmouth that site on WiC (or allow it to be badmouthed), and if we do for some reason we want to hear about it.

    Look, I think everyone appreciates the effort put forth to communicate with people on this site and I don’t want to downplay that, but has it really gotten to the point where the CEO has to try to justify shortcomings on this site by going out of his way to mention that other sites are lacking or bad? Then, immediate claim to be above badmouthing?

    If we’re all open to constructive criticism, here are my thoughts (echoed by a lot of similarly minded fans):

    -Perhaps most relevant: Transparency about changes, especially when concerning writers, editors etc. leaving. Prime example: I commend you for addressing GoO and their departure, however that should deserve an announcement rather than a sentence in a comment buried in the comment thread. Seeing as how so many fans enjoyed GoO, an easy-to-find announcement seems appropriate.

    -Less clickbait.

    -Quality over quantity. I’m certainly not the first to touch on this. Real digging for news, confirmed updates not rumors, quality writing. Authors, not vague “WiC Staff.”

  70. Dutch maester
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Adam Best: Their new site’s comment section is also a dogpile full of negativity

    I’m sorry but this is simply not true

    Adam Best: You will never see us badmouth that site on WiC

    You kinda just did.

  71. Adam Best
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    For the record, I’m not speaking on behalf of GOO. Zack Luye personally e-mailed me yesterday prior to the announcement (which I appreciated), informed me of his decision and reasoning. Just relaying what I was told.

  72. Cumsprite
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Adam Best:
    We’re not above criticism.

    Maybe you weren’t around when Fansided seemingly attempted to trick every user into signing up for e-mail notifications for the site. That little box that discretely accompanied any user reply with the “opt in” option as the default? I wonder whose idea that was. Many of the posts criticizing that were deleted and a number of users banned.

    Good times.

  73. Matt Blake
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

    Yes, we did launch an “opt in/out” checkbox when we launched our newsletter, but the intent was not malicious, it was to get our readers access to a newsletter with WiC content. Many sites do this, and as soon as we saw comments against it, we took it down.

    Also, I want to point out that no one employed by FanSided has ever deleted a comment outside of a handful that were posted on one of the first WiC Live articles that were simply too inappropriate to keep up. Any other comments that disappeared were either the result of a technical issue, spam filter, or an editorial decision by the former editor and his staff – not FanSided actively being malicious.

    And don’t take this as us throwing Zack Luye under the bus either. He did an admirable job running the site, and he was simply trying to act in the best interest of the site at the time.

    But I can tell you with 100% certainty that none of us FanSiders or sat around deleting comments EVER. In fact, we helped to hunt down comment issues whenever we were made aware via the contact form or direct emails.

  74. Lyonel Selmy
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Dutch maester,

    Glad I’m not the only one who noticed that

  75. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Dutch maester,

    I thought the same thing.

    It might be better if Adam didn’t say anything at this point, since apparently he can’t seem to not passive aggressively talk about the other site.

  76. Matt Blake
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    One other thing everyone. It looks like anything related to Watchers on the Wall was being automatically sent to spam. Again, this was an Editorial decision, not a FanSided one.

    But, I think this at least explains the recent issues everyone was having. To be honest, this is not the FanSided way and I am unblocking these terms:

    watchersonthewall.com
    watchersonthewall
    watchers on the wall
    watchers
    w a t c h e r s
    w.a.t.c.h.e.r.s

    Write about anything you want, mention anything you want.

  77. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Vocal minority?…

    Well looking at the quantity of comments on the articles… it appears that was the majority of the commenters… because there isn’t much going on here in most of the article comment sections.

  78. Omar Brown
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Write about anything you want, mention anything you want.

    Ok then, winteriscoming.net is a sold out, corporate ghost town
    All the original creators are now at http://www.watchersonthewall.com , support them!
    And even cooler peeps hang out at http://www.fleabottom.net

    Thanks!

  79. Tybee's Tits
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Best of luck! I look forward to sharing this site with you.

    Hey, eyes up here!

  80. Kim-the-Bim
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Hi! Best of luck to the new guy! I am really looking forward to having two sites to visit when i suffer GoT-withdrawls=) I really hope you keep up the good work!

    =)

  81. The Dragon Demands
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Rowan Kaiser: As far as I know everyone wants GOO to continue to be part of the website. I’m not involved in those negotiations directly right now so I don’t know more than that, but it sounds like it would be surprising if it’s not still here.

    Game of Owns podcast just announced that they’ve switched over to the new WotW fansite, they’ve posted a new podcast on that website, and at the beginning of the new podcast they state “we’d like to thank our new ‘patrons’, WotW.com”

    You lost Game of Owns Podcast.

    While I am an Administrator on the Game of Thrones Wiki, I can only speak for myself, and not make “official” pronouncements.

    What I CAN say is…your FUNCTIONAL plan was to “make more episode by episode reviews”? People were already upset at the quota-filling with “Lannister-flavored cocktails”.

    This isn’t a categorical pronouncement. I CANNOT blacklist websites. What I CAN sway is that we’re more likely to include links to WatchersOnTheWall.com news reports on Season 5….if they make exclusive news reports and WinterIsComing.net does not. Meanwhile, why the heck would a wiki need to link to “episode reviews”? Or “how to make a Lannister cocktail”? So in the past few weeks, we’re linking to far more news posts from WotW.com than WiC.net. Why? Because they are reporting “actual news” and you do not.

    Fans aren’t going to “beat a path to your door” for reviews, cocktails, or twitter reactions. They want “NEWS” on Season 5 production! You’ve had a sharp dropoff in “news” reporting lately, and your gearing your subordinates to “produce more filler”? You haven’t even exhausted all of the daily news reports you COULD be writing about!

    And a “scheduling conflict” made the new editor you hired leave? Really? This is a sign of internal problems. But you don’t need me to say that: it’s transparent and all who read this see through it.

    It’s all so banal, really. Going through the motions of a shutdown, spiraling down the drain; the predictable denials that anything is wrong, empty promises.

    We’re not “the bad guys” here: you destroyed one of the major news sites many of us relied upon.

    But surprise surprise, it turns out that most of the fanbase was actually strongly loyal to the writing team you kicked out.

    They weren’t “cliquey” – they actually knew things about the source material – and YES, I mean even the ones who hadn’t read the books!

    You turned WinterIsComing.net into a shallow, superficial shell of its former self, more interested in social media buzz and gimmicks than the actual TV series. And the irony is that WotW.com also use social media, have a great Tumblr feed – but they use theirs to make funny and insightful comments about the TV series. They don’t simply repost “what are celebrities saying about Game of Thrones” as if it was actual news.

    You offend me.

    .

  82. Adam Best
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    For the record, what I meant by “vocal minority” was not an insult. According to our internal traffic numbers, for every 10 people who comment, at least 10K read. About a 1,000:1 ratio. That’s what I was referring to.

  83. KG
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Not at all. I harbored a mild distaste for the mods, and a genuine seething dislike for 95% of the posters. If you really were a regular reader, you’d know that.

    In short, I could not be happier to have you all gone. Now stay that way.

    Bliss:

  84. KG
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    No they are cliquish. Ask them about the roughly 20 news items I submitted that got ignored in favor of those half-assed scribbles they post as “comics”

    Screw them.

    The Dragon Demands: Game of Owns podcast just announced that they’ve switched over to the new WotW fansite, they’ve posted a new podcast on that website, and at the beginning of the new podcast they state “we’d like to thank our new ‘patrons’, WotW.com”

    You lost Game of Owns Podcast.

    While I am an Administrator on the Game of Thrones Wiki, I can only speak for myself, and not make “official” pronouncements.

    What I CAN say is…your FUNCTIONAL plan was to “make more episode by episode reviews”?People were already upset at the quota-filling with “Lannister-flavored cocktails”.

    This isn’t a categorical pronouncement. I CANNOT blacklist websites.What I CAN sway is that we’re more likely to include links to WatchersOnTheWall.com news reports on Season 5….if they make exclusive news reports and WinterIsComing.net does not. Meanwhile, why the heck would a wiki need to link to “episode reviews”?Or “how to make a Lannister cocktail”?So in the past few weeks, we’re linking to far more news posts from WotW.com than WiC.net.Why?Because they are reporting “actual news” and you do not.

    Fans aren’t going to “beat a path to your door” for reviews, cocktails, or twitter reactions.They want “NEWS” on Season 5 production!You’ve had a sharp dropoff in “news” reporting lately, and your gearing your subordinates to “produce more filler”?You haven’t even exhausted all of the daily news reports you COULD be writing about!

    And a “scheduling conflict” made the new editor you hired leave?Really?This is a sign of internal problems.But you don’t need me to say that:it’s transparent and all who read this see through it.

    It’s all so banal, really.Going through the motions of a shutdown, spiraling down the drain;the predictable denials that anything is wrong, empty promises.

    We’re not “the bad guys” here:you destroyed one of the major news sites many of us relied upon.

    But surprise surprise, it turns out that most of the fanbase was actually strongly loyal to the writing team you kicked out.

    They weren’t “cliquey” – they actually knew things about the source material – and YES, I mean even the ones who hadn’t read the books!

    You turned WinterIsComing.net into a shallow, superficial shell of its former self, more interested in social media buzz and gimmicks than the actual TV series.And the irony is that WotW.com also use social media, have a great Tumblr feed – but they use theirs to make funny and insightful comments about the TV series.They don’t simply repost “what are celebrities saying about Game of Thrones” as if it was actual news.

    You offend me.

    .

  85. KG
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Let me make it official:

    I, for one, welcome our new Fansided Overlords.

  86. Cumsprite
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Now you sound like the retiree with low blood sugar whining about how your letters to the editor concerning the dangers of fluoridated water never get published.

    You are wanted. You. KG. Cast off your bitterness and step into the light. Whether you believe it or not, people miss you. I swear.

  87. KG
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

    Hi. You made the 5% Who Don’t Suck list. Grats!

    But I do have a difficult time buying that update – You seem to have forgotten the one fool who actually threatened to shoot me. That is the sort of thing that stays with you lol

  88. Duval
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get why this is turning into such a heated topic. Yes, I do prefer the news WotW provides, but that’s simply a prersonal preference. What I loved about this community or the current WotW one, was the mutual respect and consideration. Now a lot of you have turned in to a bunch of *ssholes.
    FS employed people should know better than to react to these comments, as should the WotW owners. There’s no argument to be won here.

    This all seems rather silly tbh.

  89. Cumsprite
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    KG,
    I remember that ass. As I recall, a number of people came to your defense and the idiot got banhammered. My superman alter-ego might have been one of those who called them out.

    You need some cucumber water and a pedi.

  90. Rygar
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Please let me be 5%.

  91. KG
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    As a matter of fact, you are. See? People instinctively know if they are on The Good List or The Bad List :)

    Rygar:
    KG,

    Please let me be 5%.

  92. Rygar
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    And we are big fans of yours. Join us at fleabottom.net.

  93. Cumsprite
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    They invited you to their house so they could use you for target practice.

    Come.

  94. Jimbo
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    I have been reading this site daily since since the year it was created. I have watched it grow as a community, and I have seen it’s content adjust to the target market over time. I don’t want to post a long-winded rant, so here are my views in short form:

    1. The “filler” content on this site predates FanSided by a long, long way. Does anybody remember The Daily Raven? The regular cartoon features? The Twitter recaps?

    2. The questionable value of video recaps predates FanSided by a long, long way. Does anybody remember Simone Boyce and her reviews?

    3. The sense of negativity in the Comments sections predates FanSided by a long, long way. Personal insults towards tv show / book fans have been infesting this website since the first season aired.

    I hope that this website continues. I will certainly continue to check it everyday. I want to see actual news updates and, hopefully, intelligent discussion of the tv show, the books, and how the two mediums compare to each other.

    Best of luck to the new editor.

  95. Adam Best
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Gonna leave this up as an example, but this is the kind of comment that should be deleted because it doesn’t contribute anything to the site and is misogynistic and offensive.

    Tybee’s Tits:
    Best of luck!I look forward to sharing this site with you.

    Hey, eyes up here!

    Seriously, if you can’t maturely contribute to the conversation — and that includes responsibly criticizing the site and its owners, or even respectfully discussing what you like about other sites better — then why comment? We want things to be fun, just not if that fun makes people feel unsafe/uncomfortable.

  96. Hexonx
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Adam Best,

    The proper response to a troll is to ignore and not to highlight/respond to their comment. You just fed a troll today, Ser Best. For shame! :D

  97. KG
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Hey, I know what happens when you accept unexpectedly friendly invites in Thrones-land >_>

    Cumsprite:
    KG,

    They invited you to their house so they could use you for target practice.

    Come.

  98. KG
    Posted August 20, 2014 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    I agree with you (mostly) but I will fight to the death for the validity of the Twitter recaps!

    Jimbo:
    I have been reading this site daily since since the year it was created. I have watched it grow as a community, and I have seen it’s content adjust to the target market over time. I don’t want to post a long-winded rant, so here are my views in short form:

    1. The “filler” content on this site predates FanSided by a long, long way. Does anybody remember The Daily Raven?The regular cartoon features? The Twitter recaps?

    2. The questionable value of video recaps predates FanSided by a long, long way. Does anybody remember Simone Boyce and her reviews?

    3. The sense of negativity in the Comments sections predates FanSided by a long, long way. Personal insults towards tv show / book fans have been infesting this website since the first season aired.

    I hope that this website continues. I will certainly continue to check it everyday. I want to see actual news updates and, hopefully, intelligent discussion of the tv show, the books, and how the two mediums compare to each other.

    Best of luck to the new editor.

  99. King Tommen
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Some constructive advice for Rowan (who I enjoyed reading at AV Club):

    One of the first things you need to do when you get on the job is acknowledge that by losing the original contributing team, WiC has now lost the ability to do the one thing that made them a unique GoT site on the web: BREAK NEWS. Whether it’s casting callsheet leaks, scouring social media for hints about returning actors/actresses, bugging agencies about actor CV’s, getting updates on filming shoots from extras, gathering scraps from set spies who have been cultivated since the inception of the show many years ago etc etc, when Sue and co. left, this differentiation left with them. They are also well-versed enough in the ASOIAF universe, that they can offer additional insight and analysis on these pieces of news that help start the discussion in the threads as opposed to just linking to a bunch of pictures or articles without giving any context that is unique to the site.

    If I want to see links to actors, cast and crew giving interviews, episode reviews, posting promotional material for the show offered by HBO, etc, I can go to any number of sites on the internet. That stuff is not unique and many of the TV sites (like AV Club, Hitfix etc) employ the cream of the crop in terms of television criticism writers so you’re not likely to compete in that capacity.

    Maybe with your new hiring you can find people who can magically get the same info Sue and co did but I think that’s a fruitless endeavor.

    If you need to rebrand yourself with a blank slate, find writers who understand the ASOIAF universe and who can analyze news that appears on other sites. And by other sites, I mean WatchersOnTheWall, because that’s where all the news that used to get broken here will now arrive. Don’t be afraid to source them and acknowledge their existence. You’re cutting yourself off at the knees if you don’t.

    Your strength and differentiation will now have to lie in taking these news pieces broken elsewhere and have people who are strong enough to analyze this news thoroughly and stimulate discussion here as a result. It will be a change but it’s the only way you’re going to survive.

  100. Tar Kidho
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    King Tommen proves here he’s got the brains of his uncle…

  101. Pau Captain Soriano
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    KG:
    Not at all. I harbored a mild distaste for the mods, and a genuine seething dislike for 95% of the posters. If you really were a regular reader, you’d know that.

    In short, I could not be happier to have you all gone.Now stay that way.

    If I had to guess you have the same problem in real life…ever thought that maybe the problem is not in the outside but in the inside? When you have problems with evreryone it often id. Believe me I know that well. I know it may be hard to address but once you do it you’ll live a happier life.

    Jimbo:

    1. The “filler” content on this site predates FanSided by a long, long way. Does anybody remember… The Twitter recaps?

    Yes, those pesky twitter recaps…noone liked them and they hardly got any views or comments!

    Adam Best:
    For the record, what I meant by “vocal minority” was not an insult. According to our internal traffic numbers, for every 10 people who comment, at least 10K read. About a 1,000:1 ratio. That’s what I was referring to.

    That means that WotW have 10 times as much viewers than you then, because they have 10 times as much commenters ;)

  102. archieopteryx
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    I’m a long time lurker who never commented much here (nor on WOTW), so I guess I’m one of that silent majority, that Adam Best mentioned. As I’m not part of either community, I will follow both sites. But my sympathies definitely lie with WOTW. Why? One word: accountability.

    If over there they make some bad editorial choices, I’ll know who’s in charge (Sue) and who thought up the offending content, because their name will be at the top of the article. There are no “WOTW Staff” posts.

    Here at WiC, the editorial structure is becoming more and more opaque. So it was the “editor”, who filtered all comments mentioning the new site? As in the editor-in-chief, Zack Luye? The same guy, who moved with his podcast to said new site a few weeks later? Sounds weird. Was it also Zack, who came up with: “Hey, how ’bout some inane cocktail videos? People’ll love those!”? What were his decisions, and what was corporate mandate?

    Is there an editor above the editor-in-chief? And how come, that Fansided doesn’t seem to know what any of these editors are doing, but seem to have a firm influence on the contents of this website? Something about too many cooks and left hands not knowing, what the right hand does, it seems to me. Well… that, or someone’s simply lying.

    I enjoyed Rowans Veronica Mars reviews at the AV Club, and I’m willing to see, what becomes of this place. He should get the opportunity, to establish an editorial leitmotif. I think, an editor-in-chief needs to have the last say on what content is produced for the site and how comments are handled, without too much meddling from the higher ups. I don’t get the impression, that was the case in the past few months.

  103. biobi
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    when does the movie come out?

  104. Lyonel Selmy
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    archieopteryx:
    I’m a long time lurker who never commented much here (nor on WOTW), so I guess I’m one of that silent majority, that Adam Best mentioned. As I’m not part of either community, I will follow both sites. But my sympathies definitely lie with WOTW. Why? One word: accountability.

    If over there they make some bad editorial choices, I’ll know who’s in charge (Sue) and who thought up the offending content, because their name will be at the top of the article. There are no “WOTW Staff” posts.

    Here at WiC, the editorial structure is becoming more and more opaque. So it was the “editor”, who filtered all comments mentioning the new site? As in the editor-in-chief, Zack Luye? The same guy, who moved with his podcast to said new site a few weeks later? Sounds weird. Was it also Zack, who came up with: “Hey, how ’bout some inane cocktail videos? People’ll love those!”? What were his decisions, and what was corporate mandate?

    Is there an editor above the editor-in-chief? And how come, that Fansided doesn’t seem to know what any of these editors are doing, but seem to have a firm influence on the contents of this website? Something about too many cooks and left hands not knowing, what the right hand does, it seems to me. Well… that, or someone’s simply lying.

    I enjoyed Rowans Veronica Mars reviews at the AV Club, and I’m willing to see, what becomes of this place. He should get the opportunity, to establish an editorial leitmotif. I think, an editor-in-chief needs to have the last say on what content is produced for the site and how comments are handled, without too much meddling from the higher ups. I don’t get the impression, that was the case in the past few months.

    This raises some very important questions. I endorse your statement 100%. I think it is important that Rowan (Hi Rowan, and welcome) gets a fair chance here and certainly does not deserve any unfair judgement on our part. As for the higher ups, it does indeed sound like the story is muddled by opacity.

  105. Howland Reed
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Look I’m not going to bash that horrible, terrible, negative site. We’re above that here, we support anything that gives us click rates and are against horrible, terrible things like that other site. I love when people contradict themselves in one sentence or less. Weeeehaw!

  106. yawn
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands,

    I don’t think I’ve seen a more pompous dipshit with a larger sense of undeserved self importance in my life, and that’s saying a lot, because i’ve seen Kanye West live (unfortunately).

    Everyone STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES the GoT wikia isn’t going to use WIC articles anymore! Say it ain’t so! This will surely have endless repercussions on WiC! We all know how the GoT wikia is ever so relevant.. Oh wait, it’s not, and nobody cares.

  107. Lyonel Selmy
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    yawn,

    With regards to whether GoT wikia is relevant…I’d contend that it is easily the most accessible and complete database for all things TV show related.

    The other part of your comment doesn’t merit a real response.

  108. Cumsprite
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Matt Blake:
    Cumsprite,

    Also, I want to point out that no one employed by FanSided has ever deleted a comment outside of a handful that were posted on one of the first WiC Live articles that were simply too inappropriate to keep up.

    This is untrue. Whoever told you this is a lying liar who lies. Oodles of comments were deleted across many posts. When Fansided launched their checkbox, or ran spoiler-filled sidebars and Sodahead polls, critical comments were deleted. They were not caught up in an automatic spam filter: that tool doesn’t work in that manner. Someone willfully went through the comments, removed them, and then put several user’s info into your filter. Effectively banning them.

    The departed staff are the ones responsible for pulling me out of that hole. Twice. So I seriously doubt they had anything to do with it as your statement suggests.

    The Fansided version of events in this thread is full of self-serving contradictions and lays blame for past unpleasantness on the recently departed. Sour grapes, I’ll wager: they stole your lunch.

    Sorry about all that Mr. Kaiser. Good luck.

  109. Rygar
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Anyway. Good luck Rowan!

  110. Rygar
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Greetings from beyond the “spam filter”! Nice, guys. Your actions make your statements lies.

    This, from Matt Blake:

    “Also, I want to point out that no one employed by FanSided has ever deleted a comment outside of a handful that were posted on one of the first WiC Live articles that were simply too inappropriate to keep up.”

    This is untrue. Whoever told you this was a lying liar who lies. Oodles of comments were deleted across many posts. When Fansided launched their checkbox, or ran spoiler-filled sidebars and Sodahead polls, critical comments were deleted. They were not caught up in some automatic spam filter: that tool doesn’t work in that manner. Someone willfully went through the comments, removed them, and then put several user’s info into your filter. Effectively banning them.

    The departed staff are the ones responsible for pulling me out of that hole. Twice. So I seriously doubt they had anything to do with it as your statements suggest.

    The Fansided version of events in this thread is full of self-serving contradictions and lays blame for past unpleasantness on the recently departed. Sour grapes, I’ll wager: they stole your lunch.

    Sorry about all that Mr. Kaiser. Good luck.

    Mr. Sprite

  111. Rygar
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Greetings from beyond the “spam filter”! Nice, guys. Your actions make your statements lies.

    This, from Matt Blake:

    “Also, I want to point out that no one employed by FanSided has ever deleted a comment outside of a handful that were posted on one of the first WiC Live articles that were simply too inappropriate to keep up.”

    This is untrue. Whoever told you this was a lying liar who lies. Oodles of comments were deleted across many posts. When Fansided launched their checkbox, or ran spoiler-filled sidebars and Sodahead polls, critical comments were deleted. They were not caught up in some automatic spam filter: that tool doesn’t work in that manner. Someone willfully went through the comments, removed them, and then put several user’s info into your filter. Effectively banning them.

    The departed staff are the ones responsible for pulling me out of that hole. Twice. So I seriously doubt they had anything to do with it as your statements suggest.

    The Fansided version of events in this thread is full of self-serving contradictions and lays blame for past unpleasantness on the recently departed. Sour grapes, I’ll wager: they stole your lunch.

    Sorry about all that Mr. Kaiser. Good luck.

  112. Rygar
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    And now I’m being moderated?

  113. Cumsprite
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Yup. Me too. *high five*

  114. Adam Best
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    The only things that were moderated were in reference to a member of our team’s anatomy. And rightfully so. Adds nothing to the conversation. Most trolling is OK (even if it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion and is annoying to most readers and staffers alike), but when you start insulting people or getting personal, that needs to be off limits. Sometimes stuff gets caught in the spam filter, which is a good safeguard. Until the full-time team gets started, we’re a bit slow on moderating for just this week.

    Again, we are not deleting anything unless it is straight up offensive. But we’ll allow Rowan to have his own policy once he starts his reign. That’s always how we’ve operated.

  115. Ser George Smiley
    Posted August 21, 2014 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    I would not take this dragon demands individual too serious. It looks like trolling is his hobby.

    http://www.iswintercoming.com/game-of-thrones-wikia-t1913-15.html

  116. ShadowStalker
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Adam Best,

    There is are a lot of accounts of people saying otherwise. And the simple fact that the terms

    watchersonthewall.com
    watchersonthewall
    watchers on the wall
    watchers
    w a t c h e r s
    w.a.t.c.h.e.r.s

    were put into the spam filter seems to suggest something different going on. And it is highly doubtful that your former editor was the one responsible for doing this as he has taken his podcast to the rival site. This then means that someone else at FanSided is responsible.

    Really admit that perhaps some mistakes were made and that things will be rectified going forward. This constant denial of blocking/deleting comments doesn’t make you look good at all when people with any common sense can see that something isn’t adding up.

    Easiest way to move on.

  117. fuelpagan
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    I have a suggestion. Can you get rid of that awful fansided logo? That would be great.

    And the memory leaks as well. Leave this site open for too long and my computer goes nuts trying to find memory.

    Fix those and I may pay a weekly visit to the site.

  118. Adam Best
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    Zack Luye was the editor and comment moderating was left up to the moderator unless it was something REALLY inflammatory (like the Tybee situation). He was taken good care of here, but he’s asked me to let him speak for himself so I will. But we were not the ones blocking Watches on the Wall at all and will not be, as long as people aren’t being offensive or just spamming and attempt to add value here.

    fuelpagan,

    We don’t see how the logo hurts anybody, but we’re considering a tweak to “WiC powered by FanSided” putting more emphasis on the former and less on the latter. We’ve already given this site a different look and considerably less FanSided branding (basically none except the nav bar) than our other 300+ sites. At the end of the day, it is a proud member of our company. FanSided serves 10s of millions of satisfied fans and our brand is nothing to be ashamed of. We also feel that many WiC readers will enjoy being able to find other fan sites that align with their passions.

    On the memory leaks, report that to support at fansided dot com. First I have heard of it.

  119. Steve
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    I might be inclined to believe what you say about Zach and other staff if I didn’t know your reputation in the NFL blog circles I run and write in. Fansided has a reputation of hiring/firing editors at the drop of a hat and often not give fair warning and for not filling the “quota” numbers of articles and hits/article-to-hit ratios. So pardon some of us if we’re a bit skeptical about your version of the story–especially given the rather P/A badmouthing about the other site going on. It is just that your current reputation in ASOIAF/GOT circles matches your reputation in many sports fan circles as well.

  120. Lisa
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t know anything about the new WiC but if it means a better comment section, I’ll be very very happy. The old WiC comments were regulatory hateful, sexist and racist. Now, it’s seems that some of the more hatful people are staying. That’s dissapointing. But maybe this site will be monitored better.

  121. Adam Best
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Steve,

    We hired our first two editors, Brian Miller of Phin Phanatic and Dan Zinski of The Viking Age, 7 1/2 years ago. They are still with us. This will be their 8th NFL Season with us. Go ask either of them how we treat our writers? Many other editors have been with us 5-6 years. We have hired 11 full-time employees/contractors that started out as writers for us. We pay our editors well and take care of our own.

    Because of that, we have very clearly laid out requirements. Requirements that, given our years of experience, we know are necessary in order to succeed, generate revenue (for us and them) but also exposure and opportunity for the editor. Those are put in place as much for the editor as the company. I’d wager to guess that we’ve helped more novice sportswriters turn their hobby into a full-time career than any outlet over the past 3-4 years, along with Vox/SB Nation. Writers who got their start with us with little to no experience have gone on to write for major newspapers all over the country, for pro sports team official sites (Miami Heat and a bunch of NHL sites), along with major outlets such as CBS and USA Today, for example.

  122. Josh Sanchez
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Welcome to the site, Rowan!

    The FanSided Network has been nothing but amazing since I joined way back in 2009. The guys that run the place are as professional as can be and they treat everyone here like family.

    I couldn’t ask for a better place to work.

    From my personal experience here at FanSided, the company always takes care of their own and makes sure that those who put in the hard work and conduct themselves in the appropriate manner are always receiving more opportunities.

    FanSided started with two brothers, and I truly feel like it is a family that has only continued to grow and I have made some of my best friends here.

    Rowan, I can’t wait to see what you do with the site and know that you are in a great place with a group of people around you who will make sure you are set up for success.

    Best of luck on this new venture, and, most importantly, welcome to the family!

  123. Joel Wagler
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Welcome, Rowan. FanSided is a great network to work on, and I hope you have as much fun as I do on a daily basis.

    A Song of Ice and Fire is one of my favorite fantasy series of all time (right up there with A Wheel of Time, by Robert Jordan). I love Game of Thrones, and Winter Is Coming is one of my must reads.

    I can’t wait for your next article.

  124. KG
    Posted August 22, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    What’s wrong with owning a bunch of hats? :( Maybe I’m just fashionable!

    Lisa:
    I really don’t know anything about the new WiC but if it means a better comment section, I’ll be very very happy.The old WiC comments were regulatory hateful, sexist and racist.Now, it’s seems that some of the more hatful people are staying.That’s dissapointing.But maybe this site will be monitored better.

  125. Cookie
    Posted August 23, 2014 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    Adam Best:
    When it comes to the four staffers that started the new site, they were not given a curtain call because they left on bad terms. Both our executive team and the editor were united on that front.

    I know i´m pretty late to the party, but reading this really rubs me the wrong way. The editor was united with you on this? Who? The (now former) editor-in-chief, that left you a few days ago to join the staffers who – supposedly, judging by this statement – also left with him on bad terms?

    And here i was, thinking this would turn out to be one of this frustrating “he said, she said”-things, without the bystanders ever knowing who told the truth. But judging by the comments section here and elsewhere i´m not the only one who feels this doesn´t add up.

    Thanks for making it this easy!

  126. Shoeshiner
    Posted August 23, 2014 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Hi. I’m a person who you are probably counting on to keep this website relevant and alive. I’ve never commented here (nor at Watchers on the Wall) but I used to visit this site everyday multiple times, driving up your view count. This is not my ASOIF community (I go to A Podcast of Ice and Fire forums). Quite frankly I doesn’t matter to me who’s right and who’s wrong in this conflict.

    To me, WIC is a news site first and foremost. I used to go here because it’s my most reliable, up-to-date, and comprehensive source for information about the production of the show. I care about casting news and production notes first and foremost. Since the founders of this website have left, this website have not been able to deliver on any of that. Meanwhile, I just found out from Watchers on the Wall that Bowen Marsh was (re)cast, and also saw a bunch of photos from their Croatian and Spanish set locations. That suggests to me that I should go there instead of here, since they have what I want and you don’t.

    Meanwhile, the stuff you do offer are utterly inane to me. I’ve glanced through your dames/players/whatevers of Thrones character guides, which tell me nothing I don’t already know from watching the TV show. I’ve never bothered with your live shows, since a simple glance at a still shot which tells me what topics your actors are discussing informs me that they are utterly superficial. Your weapons series often gets stuff wrong, according to other posters. Your cocktail series offended me by their existence. If I want that sort of content, I go to Inn at the Crossroads, who put so much more effort in researching their ASOIF-themed food. As for the interviews/panels, I have a Youtube account, I know EW.com and all those other websites that you get that content from. I never needed that from you.

    And here’s your problem. This website in its current form has nothing that makes it stand out from the other ASOIF websites. If I want breaking news, I go to your old team at Watchers on the Wall. If I want in-depth analysis, I can hit up Tower of the Hand or Westeros.org, or hey, the podcast that my ASOIF community is founded upon. They are many people in the fandom whose editorials and discussion of the show that I trust more than the new writers you’ve drafted in, who I’ve never heard of producing anything worthwhile within this community. Even if they happen to be brilliant writers/supremely knowledgeable about the show, I don’t care. I already follow those other people because they’ve built their solid reputations over many years of following and dissecting ASOIF, and I don’t have time for your new guys.

    Am I being too dismissive of your content? Probably, but it doesn’t matter. It’s not up to me to give your site a chance. You have to convince me to visit your site. Since the old writers have left, the only reason I have come back here is because of the feud between you and Watchers on the Wall. Because boy do I love watching a trainwreck show. But show seems to be ending, the dust is settling, and I will lose interest in this incident. And when that happens, well, Watchers on the Wall has the news, so I’ll be going there. The only reason I will probably visit this specific thread a few more times is to see if anybody bothered to respond to my comment. As a person talking on the internet, I’m egotistical by nature and want to pretend people give a damn about what I’m saying. I’m not deluded enough to believe that you, Mr. West, care about my opinions (whatever your corporate indoctrinations have taught you to say to me). But after that, you will no longer exist on my radar.

    Given your comment about the comments vs. actual traffic ratio, it seems that you guys don’t care about the fact that your comment sections are now as populated as the Gobi Desert. But if you think you can just rely on us lurkers to prop up your traffic numbers, you are very misguided. It’s your community of commenters that care about the brand “WIC.net” and make in-jokes about supporting the bottom or whatever. Lurkers lurk because we don’t care enough to join your discussions. We are a fickle bunch, and will desert you for the better website the moment we find one. Look at your website and ask yourself honestly: are you providing any sort of indispensable service to the GoT fandom that other websites can’t do better?

    To the new editor: hi, sorry, but your new plans don’t excite me at all. A review of all the episodes? What can you tell me about them that Andy Greenwald, the AV Club guys, Sean T. Collins, Elio Garcia, Amin/Kyle/Ashley, etc., plus countless review threads on many forums, haven’t already said? As for the topics of discussions you proposed, oh hey, I can find them in those same forums as well. None of these ideas are fresh. Nor can they be the primary features of your site, when your short blurb that tells me who you are highlights “news” as your primary feature. Give me something original, something that no other ASOIF website can give me. You are not going to beat them with your editorials; those other places have years of solid reputations and followings over you.

  127. Cumsprite
    Posted August 23, 2014 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Ser George Smiley:
    I would not take this dragon demands individual too serious. It looks like trolling is his hobby.

    http://www.iswintercoming.com/game-of-thrones-wikia-t1913-15.html

    Ugh. That site is filled with the worst people.

  128. Hodor
    Posted August 24, 2014 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    I find it absolutely hilarious that the only people supporting and defending Fansided in this thread are people who work for them.

  129. KG
    Posted August 25, 2014 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I don’t work for them.

    Hodor:
    I find it absolutely hilarious that the only people supporting and defending Fansided in this thread are people who work for them.


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