Season 4 begins filming today
By Winter Is Coming on in Filming, News.

Today is the start of filming for season 4 of Game of Thrones!

It all begins in Northern Ireland and later this month Iceland will be added as a filming location. Croatia will be joining the party next month. Morocco has yet to be confirmed as a location this year.

Winter Is Coming: Here we go! Let the spy reports and leaked set photos begin.


223 Comments

  1. Vidluv
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    HODOR!

  2. Kozi47
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Let the show begin

  3. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    My watch begins…!

  4. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Cant wait!

  5. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    YAY! FUN TIMES! Seriously, aside from the series actually airing this is the best time of the year.

    Any word on which location(s) they are filming at first?

    OFF TOPIC:
    To any interested, I have finished some highly detailed predictions for Game of Thrones seasons 4-6 over at livejournal (I have even attempted to make very vague predictions of the order that individual scenes will be in). It should go without saying that it contains MAJOR SPOILERS, so Unsullied should definitely avoid it. But if you are one of the sullied and like adaption speculation feel free to give it a read and leave some comments:
    http://tahu909.livejournal.com/591.html
    Now I just need to wait for season 4 to air and prove me completely wrong :P.

  6. Turncloak
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

  7. Lyanna_Targaryen
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Whoop whoop!

  8. freoduwebbe
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    so do you think they’ll have more casting announcements at the comic con?
    this is really exciting.

  9. Michel
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    I remember when S3 begun and Mackenzie Crook and Philip McGinley were seen with the cast, and everybody thaught that they were cast as Vargo Hoat and Edmure, and in the end they turn to be Orell and Anguy, it was hilarious!

  10. Jon
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Nice weather for it, that’s one thing we do know.

  11. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    I was the first one to retweet this….and before you ask, yes I want a medal

  12. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Yay!

  13. JP Dayne
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    MY BODY IS NOT READY YET
    but I’ll make due

    I really doubt they’ll release anything
    Spies that might be lurking, pls read this:
    WE NEED OBERYN PICS. kthxbye

  14. House Clegane
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Ahhhh. Last season thats actually going to have exciting stuff. After season 4, ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN so far in the books.

  15. Lord_Grimjaur
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Croatia joins the party on August 20th, fresh news from today’s audition for extras in Dubrovnik.

  16. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    House Clegane:
    Ahhhh. Last season thats actually going to have exciting stuff. After season 4, ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN so far in the books.

    Well thanks for telling us that……moron. Many of us don’t give a shit what happens in the books so we don’t want to hear it thanks. That was a spoiler you know?

  17. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    freoduwebbe:
    so do you think they’ll have more casting announcements at the comic con?
    this is really exciting.

    I’m not expecting any casting announcements at Comic Con this year. Last season there were a ton of roles that needed to be cast, with most of them being prominent or fan favorite characters (The Blackfish, the Queen of Thorns, the Reeds, Beric, Edmure, etc.). This season the list is a lot shorter and a lot less exciting. A Mace Tyrell casting is not going to move the needle, especially at Comic Con.

    If they were going to hold off on a casting announcement for SDCC, it would have been the Red Viper. Obviously, they didn’t do that. As a result, I’m guessing we won’t get any casting announcements this year. But, hey, I could be wrong!

  18. House Clegane
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Grijnwaald

    Excactly. Then what is the fuss about? If you dont give a shit.

  19. Teresa
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Ah, finally! This will be so much fun.

    Wonder what the writers will come up with for Jaime and Brienne, since they came back much earlier to King’s Landing than in the novels. (Not really spoilery, but just in case.) Looking forward to that.

    Ser Tahu, I like your predictions, especially for Sandor and Arya. Maybe some of them will come true. (Although I think the PW will happen in episode 3 myself.)

  20. Selmy
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Exciting! I think season 4 definitely has the potential to be the best so far. Can’t wait till there’s some on set photos.

  21. John Blacktyde
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Any info about the season directors?

  22. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    and so our watch begins…
    Season three has barely ended and I’m already needy for S4 stuff.

  23. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    House Clegane:
    Grijnwaald

    Excactly. Then what is the fuss about? If you dont give a shit.

    Because you’re practically giving away what happens (or rather what doesn’t), either way, we don’t want to hear it. Is it so hard to keep your trap shut so that we can see what happens for ourselves rather than have it told to us before it happens? There are spoiler tags you can use if you wish to disscuss future events.

  24. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Lord_Grimjaur:
    Croatia joins the party on August 20th, fresh news from today’s audition for extras in Dubrovnik.

    Oh yes. That was the date that was reported by the Croatian press. I misremembered. Should have looked it up before posting!

    John Blacktyde:
    Any info about the season directors?

    Neil Marshall is reportedly returning this season. David Nutter will not be. Nothing else yet.

  25. Selmy
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Grijnwaald,

    I don’t think that was really a spoiler. More of an opinion. I personally think lots of great stuff happens in the latter books.
    Saying that you ‘don’t give a shit what happens in the books’ is kind of disrespectful. The show (which I assume you enjoy) only exists because of those books. And all of the best stuff in the show is a direct adaption of the books. The instances where the show stumbles are usually when they deviate from the books. Although I am a massive fan of the TV show, the books deserve to be respected.

  26. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Grijnwaald,

    The last two books are very polarizing to the fan base. So expect a lot of this in the future. That said, I personally loved the last two books. People have different interpretations is all. To each their own.

  27. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    So no word if Alex Graves is back? His work in 304 and 305 was exemplary and funnily enough since I picked up the final season of Fringe on blu ray yesterday I have begun my series rewatch binge and lo and behold, Alex Graves directed the fantastic pilot episode! He has a great craft.

  28. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Selmy:
    Grijnwaald,

    I don’t think that was really a spoiler. More of an opinion. I personally think lots of great stuff happens in the latter books.
    Saying that you ‘don’t give a shit what happens in the books’ is kind of disrespectful. The show (which I assume you enjoy) only exists because of those books. And all of the best stuff in the show is a direct adaption of the books. The instances where the show stumbles are usually when they deviate from the books. Although I am a massive fan of the TV show, the books deserve to be respected.

    It isn’t that I dissrespect the books, take my comment as a figure of speech that I would rather not know what happens in the books, especially when it gives anything away eg. That nothing happens. It may be open for interpretation but it is at least a little bit of a give away no?

  29. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Please for the love of god bring back Conan Stevens!

    I don’t care if there’s beef, both sides should bite their tongues so a certain moment can live up to expectations.

  30. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Last season there were a ton of roles that needed to be cast, with most of them being prominent or fan favorite characters (The Blackfish, the Queen of Thorns, the Reeds, Beric, Edmure, etc.). This season the list is a lot shorter and a lot less exciting. A Mace Tyrell casting is not going to move the needle, especially at Comic Con.

    Maybe, or maybe not! I mean, some stuff had already leaked and yet Diana Rigg was there, so why not include Pedro Pascal in such a video, which was the best “OMG OMG OMG” moment in the lead-up to Season 3 anyway.

    You could potentially see a list that goes like this…

    Oberyn Martel
    Ellaria Sand
    Mace Tyrell
    Bowen Marsh
    Donal Noye
    The High Sparrow
    The Magnar of Thenn
    The Kindly Man of Braavos (nah, it’ll just be Jaqen, never mind)
    Cotter Pyke and Denys Mallister (ok probably not)
    Hizdar zo Loraq
    The Shavepate (probably not)

    That’s not a bad group. Ok, it’s nothing like Lady Olenna, The Blackfish (!), Thoros of Myr, Beric Dondarrian, and Missandei, but why not do such a video? WHY NOT???

  31. Selmy
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Grijnwaald,

    Okay fair enough. But I would argue that ‘things happen’.

  32. lost northern
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,
    i know it doesnt concern the subject of the article but this question as been bugging me for a long time. So how old is Everyone is in A dance with dragons ???

  33. lightning lord
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Absolute scorcher here in N.I…anyone know where they’ll be filming? I was out at magheramourne quarry earlier it was pretty quiet.

  34. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I wonder if the show is going to include the bad blood between the Martells and Tyrells. If so, there could be a pretty amazing scene between R.V. and Q.O.T. This is my new hope for season 4.

  35. Dan Spicer
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I think what is most polarizing to the fan base is that it took 11 years to get from the end of ASOS to the first page of ADWD. The AFFC and ADWD POV split decisions were (in hind sight) disasterous and pissed a lot of people off.

    There is a fellow on the internets that has devised a proper chapter reading sequence for AFFC and ADWD; alternating between the two books to maintain the flow. It made for a much better read.

  36. Dan Spicer
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    lost northern,

    The same age as when we last see them in ASOS. The fanbase, though, got 11 years older…

  37. valyrian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Things seem to be happening so fast this year!!!

  38. darquemode
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Roll on film crews!

    Spy on local Thrones fans around shoot locations!
    Pease, take notes and photos! XD

    This pre-production season was sorely lacking in casting rumors!
    We did get one major official casting announcement and one agency update for young actress whose role is a mystery… but nothing else. Sigh.

    Hopefully the film shoots lead to more rumors!

  39. ebevan91
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    If you guys could pitch in and donate some money to me, I could go over there and spy for us :)

    I’ll need money for plane ticket, hotel, and food. Maybe a rental car too.

  40. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    “@Kerry_Ingram

    Off to rehearsals ! :-D
    4:16 p.m. Mon, Jul 8″

  41. valyrian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Dan Spicer:
    Joshua Taylor,

    I think what is most polarizing to the fan base is that it took 11 years to get from the end of ASOS to the first page of ADWD.The AFFC and ADWD POV split decisions were (in hind sight) disasterous and pissed a lot of people off.

    There is a fellow on the internets that has devised a proper chapter reading sequence for AFFC and ADWD; alternating between the two books to maintain the flow.It made for a much better read.

    It’s Sean T. Collins from All Leather Must Be Boiled, and yeah it’s pretty cool!

  42. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Plenty of dramatic things happen in AFFC/ADWD

    1) Pink letter and Jon’s stabbing
    2) Drogon attacks fighting pit after Tyrion almost gets eaten by a lion
    3) Brienne (almost?) hanged
    4) Cersei’s arrest and walk
    5) Others attack Hardhome (maybe we’ll actually see this)
    6) Rhaegal and Viseryon get loose after burning Quentyn
    7) Myrcella disfigured
    8) Stannis takes Deepwood Motte from Asha/Yara
    9) Theon and fArya escape Winterfell
    10) Varys and little birds kill Kevan and Pycelle

    Even if they were to combine the 2 books into just one season, which I don’t think they will do, that’s still a big exciting event for each episode in the season. Since not every episode has to have an epic event (they have to do set up and character development) there is plenty of material for 1.5 or 2 seasons.

  43. Ed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu – that’s a great S4 prediction/writeup.

    A very enjoyable read and if it goes just like that, I’d love it. Well done!

  44. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Dan Spicer:
    Joshua Taylor,

    I think what is most polarizing to the fan base is that it took 11 years to get from the end of ASOS to the first page of ADWD.The AFFC and ADWD POV split decisions were (in hind sight) disasterous and pissed a lot of people off.

    There is a fellow on the internets that has devised a proper chapter reading sequence for AFFC and ADWD; alternating between the two books to maintain the flow.It made for a much better read.

    There are other reasons, too.

    The beginning of AFfC starts with:

    –A group of people in Oldtown who we don’t know, who seem to have no connection to the plot, and who impart very little information
    –A chapter with the POV of a religious figure on the Iron Islands who until now had been seen only barely
    –The captain of the guards in Dorne, who seems to be more a fly on the wall than have any discernable personality.

    On a 2nd reading (I’m in AFfC while simultaneously reading ADwD), some characters are much richer, and really expand the world. Which is great. But it’s jarring to come into two new families in such a way when you hadn’t expected it, and be left wondering “Where is _____?”

  45. Selmy
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Don’t forget Frey Pies!

    Davos meeting with Wyman then the whole situation in Winterfell with Roose, Wyman, Theon, Mance and the Freys are my favorite bits of DWD

  46. Mursk
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Reports are coming in that the Red Viper has already killed a member of the crew. Apparently he insists on being served a hot lunch but the crew member served cold cuts!

  47. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Selmy,

    If the great Great Northern Conspiracy theory is true the payoff of those chapters will be pretty great.

  48. azad injejikian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    I hope PW happens in episode 1. Start off the season with a bang! I’m guessing it wont, only to establish a more strained Margaery’s relationship with Joffrey and sweet one with Tommen. realistically ep 2 or 3. Can’t be later than episode 4 though.

  49. Arthur
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Mursk,

    Lol!

    Awesome!!!

  50. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Im starting my first re read and im deffinately going to use Seans chapter order to reread AFFC and ADOD. A lot of people said its the best way to read it include WiC own Faabio

  51. Falcon
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    The fact that this list of events is shorter and less compelling than an ASoS list is telling. I am convinced Feast/Dance will be condensed to finish in season 5. Leaving s6-8 for the last 2 books.

  52. azad injejikian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    Yeah, Sean Collins’ reread order seems interesting. I’ve JUST started my A Game of Thrones reread. When I hit AFFC, i’ll definitely try it!

  53. Prince of Pentos
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Selmy,

    Me too!

    I’m really looking forward also to how Davos will be able (or not able) to “smuggle” himself to Skagos, and the potentially epic return of Rickon, with a massive direwolf next to him, and maybe a small contingent of Skagos wildlings, into the Mermen Court in White Harbor.

    How the mysterious battle in the blizzard at Winterfell will turn out is also quite interesting.

  54. martell lover
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    PW in episode 4 . That’s for sure

  55. Bryon
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Please for the love of god bring back Conan Stevens!

    I don’t care if there’s beef, both sides should bite their tongues so a certain moment can live up to expectations.

    Here’s to that. I can’t wait for the moment to happen.

  56. KG
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Booya! About time, those slackers :D

  57. azad injejikian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Bryon,

    I hope they bring back Stevens too. Although, there’s an actor who could fit the part named Robert Maillet http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0537631/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

  58. Dan Spicer
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    I cancelled my HBO subscription last month and am thinking that next year I may wait until episode 4 has aired, start a new subscription and get caught up on the first half of the season on HBOGO and then watch the remaining eps as they air, then cancel my subscription again after the finale. That could save me a month or two of fees. I can’t be the only person who has started and cancelled an HBO subscription multiple times over the last three years. What does HBO think of consumers like me? What percentage do you think of HBO consumers stop-start thier subscription similar to me?

  59. Kris
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Lady Stoneheart! Lady Stoneheart and Lady Stoneheart…..and it BETTER be Michelle Fairley

  60. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Please for the love of god bring back Conan Stevens!

    I don’t care if there’s beef, both sides should bite their tongues so a certain moment can live up to expectations.

    I wasn’t particularly disappointed with the new Mountain — he did well enough — but Conan looks much more the part. Ian Whyte is skinnier than I picture Gregor, whereas Conan is built like a pit bull… a 7 ft. tall pit bull.

  61. John
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Who is Cat Taylor?

  62. Two Feathers
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    They are filming at Shanes Castle. Spotted the little pink signs yesterday. Could be the caverns under the castle which have been used as Dragonstone dungeons and Winterfell crypts. Or could be somewhere in the 800 acre woodland which surrounds the castle.
    My money is on Dragonstone…

  63. Jake Umber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    What about the Greyjoys?! If they cast any of Theon’s Uncles, that’ll be big.

  64. johnnytata
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    woohoo!

  65. Jake Umber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Two Feathers,

    Let us know if you see anything else around there!!

  66. Harry
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    I really, really hope the first casting news is Michelle Fairley returning as Lady Stoneheart

  67. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Jake Umber,

    Yeah, I just am not sure we’ll see ‘em in Season 4. You think so?

  68. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Two Feathers,

    Awesome!

  69. jentario
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Two Feathers,

    Awesome!

    It is! But what would anyone be doing in the Dragonstone dungeons? Doesn’t ring any bells… Is the rest of Dragonstone filmed there too?

  70. serum
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    YESSSSS!!!!! HOOOODOOOOOOOOOOR!!!!

  71. Jake Umber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I’m not really sure either about the Greyjoys in this season. It depends what they end up doing with Yara. I think it’s probable they cast at least one of his uncles for this season, perhaps to set up for the following season.

  72. zambi76
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    So how old is Everyone is in A dance with dragons ???

    A Game of Thrones: 298AL
    A Clash of Kings: 298AL to 299AL
    A Storm of Swords: 299AL to early 300AL

    approx 18-24 month/moons have passed.

    A Feast for Crows: Early to mid 300AL
    A Dance with Dragons: Early to later in (August/September?Considering Roslin hasn’t given birth yet, but will very soon.) 300AL

    approx 6 additional month/moons have passed.

    So about two and a half years it is so far. Now if you know how old everyone is at the start you can calculate how old they are in ADWD.

  73. Ryan71
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Where the hell is the trailer!!!

    I love sandwiches

  74. notabookreader
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Selmy,

    Come on bro…..this is fantasy…book, tv show….its all just fantasy.

  75. Balerion
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    I hope we see kickass mammoths, giants, a snowbear, a shadowcat. A brutal battle.

    Oh God i cannot wait.

  76. mariamb
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: I’m not expecting any casting announcements at Comic Con this year. Last season there were a ton of roles that needed to be cast, with most of them being prominent or fan favorite characters (The Blackfish, the Queen of Thorns, the Reeds, Beric, Edmure, etc.). This season the list is a lot shorter and a lot less exciting. A Mace Tyrell casting is not going to move the needle, especially at Comic Con.

    If they were going to hold off on a casting announcement for SDCC, it would have been the Red Viper. Obviously, they didn’t do that. As a result, I’m guessing we won’t get any casting announcements this year. But, hey, I could be wrong!

    Do you think that they will not cast any of the Greyjoys this season?

    As far as Comic Con, this site provided great coverage of the panel last year. Will you be doing the same this year?

  77. tysnow
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Harry,

    They are not gonna announce that, she’s dead, why give it away early and they actually might keep her dead permanently.

  78. tysnow
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Two Feathers,

    Won’t be Dragonstone, Ser Davos isn’t imprisoned anymore. I remember reading on some site they are filming some scenes from the final episode early. Might be a little fella wandering under the Red Keep, or some Theon torture porn again.

  79. rob
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Dan Spicer,

    I agree. I am doing #AFFC and #ADWD mash up read now and i COULD NOT imagine having had to read all the way through AFFC just to go back in time and read ADWD!

  80. Boojam
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    House Clegane:
    Ahhhh. Last season thats actually going to have exciting stuff. After season 4, ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN so far in the books.

    Not for me George is a great story teller even when it’s just a travelogue.
    Found only one story that kind of looped too much.
    But for the visual medium, well I think that is why Dan, Dave and Bryan met with George in Santa Fe this year… some cooking and invention going on for sure.

  81. azad injejikian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    There was an unconfirmed report that Oonaa CHaplin may be returning (which oona shot down, kind of)- but if they replace Cat with Talisa, I’ll rage quit the show..

  82. LordStarkington
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    azad injejikian,

    What “unconfirmed report”? All i’ve seen is completely made-up stuff on tumblr and ONTD which of course gets people all riled up even though there’s no substance to it.

  83. tormundsmember
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    zambi76,

    It is only mentioned in passing in the books, but Mel does burn some “heretics” to give the ships a boost on their way to the wall.

    That, or possibly a late in the season scene showing the mining of the obsidian below Dragonstone.

  84. Imp
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    This is unrelated, but is there a resource somewhere where all conventions and actors in attendance are listed? And if not, anyone know what the situation is like in northern Europe, except Titancon?

  85. Jacarb
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Castings that would make a Comic-Con hall cheer:
    Oberyn (old news; folks would still cheer)
    Arianne
    Victarion
    Euron
    (Victareuron? Eurarion?)
    Coldhands
    Conan Stevens redux
    Attractive females

    Castings that wouldn’t make anyone cheer, but be sufficiently fascinating to hardcore fans:
    Mace Tyrell
    Mya Stone
    Donal Noye

    Casting that would explode Comic-Con:
    Strong Belwas

    Mace could make people cheer if they get a Diana Rigg/Ciaran Hinds big-name-who-films-five-scenes sort of actor. Someone like Donal Noye could get the full Orell treatment and land a single-season Big Name. Characters not mentioned could simply be rewritten to be more important (Missandei absorbing all the other handmaidens and making last year’s reel, for example) or enter the story earlier (some Manderly action could happen if certain Rickon rewrite theories are true).

    So…there could be plenty of exciting material for a solid casting announcement video. Maybe not. It certainly seems unlikely with so much less casting hype than last year, but the roles will be cast with or without our hype. And a lack of hype is an even better reason to put a video together.

  86. Jacarb
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    I feel it necessary to add, after mentioning that Donal Noye would be a great role for a single-season big name, that I will forever mourn Steve Ryan‘s untimely death.

  87. Zeus
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    How can they do this during Ramadan? So insensitive of the producers.

  88. azad injejikian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
  89. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Not to hijack this thread (ok, to hijack it), but WIC, I think you’re all wet on the idea that Michelle Fairley doesn’t get a nomination this year. The Red Wedding was a massive, massive TV moment that exploded on the Internets and made the Today Show. Fairley will get nominated. Bank on it. NCW? That’s tougher – as you point out the fantasy show and lots of cast is usually death to Emmy voters, so Dinklage may end up as the perennial nominee, but this year, I think Fairley is in there. May not win. But she’s in there.

  90. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    azad injejikian,

    Ugh, that’s ridiculous. She says she’s unemployed and working on other things. The story cites reports (where? What reports??) that she’s coming back and comes up with nothing, leading with “She’s not coming back.”

    The best part of the offseason is the casting speculation and WIC.net’s awards (WHEN ARE THE AWARDS??).

    The worst part is the trafficking in things that don’t even rise to the level of rumor, and then using those non-rumors as a way to blast the show’s producers for doing blah blah blah killing my show where is Strong Belwas I hate you all stuff.

  91. LordStarkington
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    azad injejikian,

    Leaving aside the dubious quality of DM reporting (the “report” references only anonymous “reports” itself)….

    (MAJOR SPOILERS)

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/game-of-thrones-michelle-fairley-catelyn-interview-spoilers

    Starting with

    So Catelyn is dead, but in the books, she is not actually gone! She becomes Lady Stoneheart! Who has deep gashes in her face from scratching herself, can’t speak because her throat was cut so deeply, and was in the river for a few days before being brought back to life. She marauds around killing Freys, plus anyone who might have done the Starks wrong, and appears occasionally going forward. Have you talked to Dan and David about Season 4?

    Michelle Fairley clearly knows where the story goes for Cat and not only implies she’ll be LSH (the second question) but is very much tongue-in-cheek about it in that interview as well as others.

  92. vampiredoctor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Hope Quaithe is back in season 4, loved her spooky scenes in the books

  93. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    vampiredoctor:
    Hope Quaithe is back in season 4, loved her spooky scenes in the books

    Amen to that. I like whenever she showed up, just because she freaked me the hell out all the time. Show did a really nice job of doing that too, honestly.

  94. Jake Umber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    vampiredoctor,

    The actress who played her said she didn’t know if she was returning a few days ago, but she said she would love to.

  95. darquemode
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    vampiredoctor,

    Me too!
    Maybe they can use Quaite as a representative from Qarth since they killed off Daxos?
    I don’t think those scenes will be in Season 4 necessarily, but when they do… perhaps.

  96. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    vampiredoctor:
    Hope Quaithe is back in season 4, loved her spooky scenes in the books

    She could deliver the “three treasons” prophecy since it didn’t happen in HotU

  97. Vincentious
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald: Well thanks for telling us that……moron. Many of us don’t give a shit what happens in the books so we don’t want to hear it thanks. That was a spoiler you know?

    He’s wrong anyway, a ton of stuff happens..

  98. azad injejikian
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    LordStarkington,

    Thanks for the link! i hadnt read that interview. :)

  99. mariamb
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Since there has been discussion about Michelle and when – if? – she is returning, here’s a short but interesting article about her role on “Suits.” The article mentions Conleth as well. Take a look at the ad being used to promote the show.

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/08/game-of-suits-michelle-fairley-thrones/

  100. tysnow
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Jake Umber,

    What about both Cat and Tal being dumped in the river and both Rez by Thoros, they could play Ladies Stone and Warmheart, sorta like bad cop/good cop, lol.

  101. darquemode
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    I can see I now! XD
    Advertised like a bad buddy cop move with the tagline, “They died. It didn’t take.”

  102. Michel
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Hahaha, epic coment!

  103. KingNed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Awesome! The best show ever starts to make 10 more wonderful episode for all of us fans. Cant wait to see whats in store next for the wolves,lions,dragons,stags and crows. Who will end up in the Iron Throne? I think its between Stannis and Dany!

  104. KingNed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Awesome! The best show ever starts to make 10 more wonderful episode for all of us fans. Cant wait to see what is in store next for the wolves,lions,dragons,stags and crows. Who will end up in the Iron Throne? I think its between Stannis and Dany!

  105. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    darquemode:
    vampiredoctor,

    Me too!
    Maybe they can use Quaite as a representative from Qarth since they killed off Daxos?
    I don’t think those scenes will be in Season 4 necessarily, but when they do… perhaps.

    Do we know Xaro is indeed dead? He is locked in a vault. But other commenters here have pointed out that a person who is going to build himself a gigantic empty vault may well have also built himself an escape route. It’s not out of the question that he shows up again. And besides, Quaithe isn’t exactly a ‘representative from Qarth’ in the way that Xaro is…she’s just so much weirder.

  106. darquemode
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    You’re right, we do not know for sure that Daxos is dead I guess…
    I just think that the impact of the scene would be completely lost if he turns up later and cannot see D&D letting him escape..

    I do not see Quaithe as part of any cities ruling hierarchy either, but being one of the few living characters from the city of Qarth maybe she could take the part. D&D could go another direction too of course… I think Dany’s arc is the most likely for broad changes as we move on.

  107. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Dan Spicer,
    I had planned on cancelling my cable entirely saving myself about $50 / month until next season comes around again but I haven’t done it yet. I’m sure there are lots of people out there that do the cancel/renew thing. But so long as Cable companies keep their monopoly, companies like HBO that depend upon them won’t offer other viewing options. My dream would be that they simply offer an HBO Go subscription. I would do that in heart beat (and I have tons of friends who would too). Then I could get rid of cable entirely but keep HBO.

  108. AngryRosFan
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    Casting that would explode Comic-Con:
    Strong Belwas

    Does Strong Belwas really have such a strong fanbase? I always thought he was kind of a charicature and would seem cartoonish in live action.

    My speculation is that we won’t see a lot of small characters with speaking parts who haven’t already been introduced that don’t have a crucial impact of the main story arcs. So, no Strong Belwas, no Aeron Greyjoy, maybe one less of either Victarion or Euron Greyjoy, etc. I don’t even know if we’ll see Coldhands, if the writers can figure out a way to condense the storylines without those characters.

  109. Jentario
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: She could deliver the “three treasons” prophecy since it didn’t happen in HotU

    That’s what I was thinking. And it would tie in well with the Jorah story in season 4.

  110. Easteros bunny
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Dude they need like a epic battle in episode one, like lord of the rings scale.

    Seriously like wtf, the red wedding happens and the Starks don’t engage in battle? Hello! Your king just died! And the chick with the dragons like wtf? She has dragons wtf is she doing attacking some random city in the desert.

    Who is this red viper? Have the writers tried to. Create a replacement for robb? Dude you can replace robb! NEVER! Don’t even try bro! Anyway if things don’t pick up like more epic battles I don’t think I’ll stick around for the fourth season. But you can check out my full thoughts on my YouTube channel here

  111. Chickenduck
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny:
    Dude they need like a epic battle in episode one, like lord of the rings scale.

    Seriously like wtf, the red wedding happens and the Starks don’t engage in battle? Hello! Your king just died! And the chick with the dragons like wtf? She has dragons wtf is she doing attacking some random city in the desert.

    Who is this red viper? Have the writers tried to. Create a replacement for robb? Dude you can replace robb! NEVER! Don’t even try bro! Anyway if things don’t pick up like more epic battles I don’t think I’ll stick around for the fourth season. But you can check out my full thoughts on my YouTube channel here

    ?

  112. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny,

    This is all kinds of funny.

  113. Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    House Clegane,

    LOL learn how to read, book 4 and 5 are both great, if there was never a split and a feast for dragons was one book it would crush storm

  114. Jacarb
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    AngryRosFan,

    I think Belwas’s following would best be described as “cult.” He would most certainly be cartoonish; it’s what makes him so lovable. I would liken my sadness at his exclusion to my disappointment at my future wife not letting me and my groomsmen wear the tuxes from Dumb and Dumber: genuine, but quickly forgotten.

    And I very much agree about the shaky fate of the characters you mentioned. But, referencing Missandei’s upgrade again, I expect a few small roles to expand significantly as a result of other small parts being cut. For example, if Bran’s story is going to be stretched, Coldhands could take on some aspects of the Three Eyed Crow so that Bran could get necessary information while still traveling. Or maybe that mysterious young actress really is Leaf, who is taking over for Coldhands as the guide beyond the wall.

    The announcement that Rorge is coming back was interesting in this regard. He could so easily have been written out that I just assume his role has been built up. Namely, that he’ll be traveling with Polliver–who still has Needle–and they’ll form some multi-episode antagonism for Arya and the Hound. Which could set up Rorge taking the hound helm more explicitly; suddenly he’s the de facto face of the Riverlands going to hell, memorable to show-only viewers, and ends up in the same place as the books.

  115. Turncloak
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Zeus,

    Do what? Shooting game of thrones? There are tons of my coworkers who celebrate Ramadan and still show up for work. How is this different?

  116. Easteros bunny
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,

    Thank you!

  117. Turncloak
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Jake Umber,

    Why on earth would they announce that? That would ruin the surprise :)

  118. Michel
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    If they kept Balon and Aemon return in secret I’m sure they could keep Catelyn too

  119. Jentario
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny:
    Dude they need like a epic battle in episode one, like lord of the rings scale.

    Seriously like wtf, the red wedding happens and the Starks don’t engage in battle? Hello! Your king just died! And the chick with the dragons like wtf? She has dragons wtf is she doing attacking some random city in the desert.

    Who is this red viper? Have the writers tried to. Create a replacement for robb? Dude you can replace robb! NEVER! Don’t even try bro! Anyway if things don’t pick up like more epic battles I don’t think I’ll stick around for the fourth season. But you can check out my full thoughts on my YouTube channel here

    Hilarious.

  120. darquemode
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/
    New GRRM post with a Froggy icon, but no casting clue! :(

    I love GRRM’s comment about the size of things! XD

  121. Jentario
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    darquemode:
    http://grrm.livejournal.com/
    New GRRM post with a Froggy icon, but no casting clue! :(

    I love GRRM’s comment about the size of things! XD

    Nice

  122. Jentario
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Think about it: by this time next year we will know whether the show will outpace the books.

  123. Furious Winter
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Dan Spicer,

    I used to work for a pay-tv satellite company and it’s fairly common. They’d definitely rather you subscribe and then cancel in a few months than pirate the show.

  124. Impi
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    OT – EW Article about Game of Suits – Cute fun.

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/08/game-of-suits-michelle-fairley-thrones/

  125. Arthur
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Man I’ve read up on HBO plans and if all the rumors are true they are planning to start up another fantasy epic called “American Gods”, problem is no one knows when…

    That would be a wish come true, 2 epics a year instead of 1. Hope this comes true!

  126. AngryRosFan
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    Thanks, Jacarb and you make some good points. I like how the writers have expanded Melisandre’s role and also Gendry’s. So far, the composite characters have been interesting and work well.

    That said, I think Gendry was Put on a Bus along with Osha and Rickon to cut down on the cast for the next season. I would like to see those three show up again even in one episode of season 4, but I have a feeling that their roles are done for a while though they may reappear later.

    I like the idea that Coldhands would take on some of the Three Eyed Raven‘s role in Bran’s storyline. I just expect some of the beloved book characters that serve as comic relief or local color will not appear, when they have stars like Peter Dinklage’s Tyrion delivering fantastic comic relief along with the more serious moments. I’m curious to see what the writers do with the Greyjoys. I’m not that interested in the Iron Islanders – except Theon and “Yara” and I don’t really care about the politics of the Ironborn except to the extent that it is pertinent to the main storylines – namely, the sideline war for the Iron Throne and the real war against coming up against the White Walkers.

    As it is, there are a number of smaller characters that are spoken about in the books for which we don’t have a POV and never will. My guess is, those characters will remain off screen or played by extras. I even think some book characters with POV will not make it to the series because they really offered background information that would end up being all exposition (or sexposition depending on the scene) that would be clunky in live action; Arys Oakheart for example.

  127. WildSeed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald:
    I was the first one to retweet this….and before you ask, yes I want a medal

    Didn’t little Maisie already give you a kiss on the cheek, and Issac Hempstead
    offer you a free Lemon Cake last year ? Just kidding, we cannot all be so
    expectant. You’ll get your medal when someone here finally wins one of WiC
    product contests, or did you win that too (?) (:

  128. WildSeed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Man I’ve read up on HBO plans and if all the rumors are true they are planning to start up another fantasy epic called “American Gods”, problem is no one knows when…

    That would be a wish come true, 2 epics a year instead of 1.Hope this comes true!

    I’m not familiar with this series, but I’d like to read it. I just looked up any ref
    to a possible onscreen adaptation of the series on HBO, and Neil Gaiman states
    ( June 2013 ), that all speculation is untrue.

    I’ll be truly intrigued if HBO had developed Shelly’s ” Ozymandias ” poem.
    It’s commanding in imagery and implies a text with thought provoking
    analysis of empires and their decline. I was particularly moved when
    one of the characters of ” The Watchmen ” based his perspectives on this
    epic poem. Whether it’s set in Essos or Egypt or Croatia, an audience
    would really respond to this……. as long as it’s not a remake of ” Rome”
    or ” 300 ” . It’s arguably better standard than that. I nominate Charles
    Dance among the cast roster.

  129. WildSeed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb:
    I feel it necessary to add, after mentioning that Donal Noye would be a great role for a single-season big name, that I will forever mourn Steve Ryan‘s untimely death.

    Hear Hear ! A one arm salute !
    It’s not likely he’ll appear, I’ve been warned. Thebattle at the wall won’t
    include his heroics
    , but he hasn’t been included in S2 or previously either.
    At least we have Dolorus Edd.

    On a different note , Iain Glenn has begun filming or wrapping up his starring
    role for a sleuth on BBC. I suppose he’s got sufficient time between the GoT
    production and BBC. It’s a series, not a short run 2 episode series as some can be.

  130. Varamyr 4 skins
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    What makes people think they can wait until episode 4 for the PW that’s quite late then everything gets rushed and ruins shit

    And if I’m being perfectly honest Margery is so sexy and Sansa is right behind her. If I could I’d have a 3 some with them two over any other 2 thrones chicks

  131. WildSeed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Zeus,

    Do what? Shooting game of thrones? There are tons of my coworkers who celebrate Ramadan and still show up for work. How is this different?

    Same here, in N Cal.

  132. WildSeed
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    If they kept Balon and Aemon return in secret I’m sure they could keep Catelyn too

    I concur.

    As for Quaithe’s ( the original teleporter ) return, doesn’t it seem too soon ?
    Not season 5 ? After focus shifts a bit from Dorne proper, then Danerys ?

  133. Eleanor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Hurrah for the Season of Surprises! Other than two or three exciting things that happen in the last third of A Storm of Swords, we really can’t be sure what’s going to happen and where.

  134. Arthur
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I found this site…

    http://hbowatch.com/

    It’s like a WiC site but for HBO fans. It has a lot of cool info, have a go.

    It concluded American Gods is a sure thing, the question is just when. They believe it’ll be the True Blood fantasy replacement.

    There’s another epic that seems to be in the making called Dark Tower but it seems that one I’d more rumor then fact.

  135. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr 4 skins,

    Varamyr 4 Skins*, meet Varamyr Fourskins.

    *not me

  136. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr 4 skins,

    Gotta love Dormer’s epic bum wiggle in 3×07.

  137. Jacarb
    Posted July 8, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    (What Arthur said, also…)

    Gaiman only said that the rumors of the show being greenlit are untrue. He has written the pilot, stated the book would cover two seasons, and is already working on the next novel with subsequent seasons in mind. The structure and content of the book are very, very perfect for TV, HBO in particular. I’d be stunned if it doesn’t happen.

    Also, what are you talking about in regards to Ozymandias? How in the world could anything be developed out of a fourteen line poem? It has an interesting [and singular] point, but it is far from epic, both as a general descriptor and a technical term denoting a class of poetry.

  138. Eleanor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Jacarb:
    WildSeed,

    (What Arthur said, also…)

    Gaiman only said that the rumors of the show being greenlit are untrue. He has written the pilot, stated the book would cover two seasons, and is already working on the next novel with subsequent seasons in mind. The structure and content of the book are very, very perfect for TV, HBO in particular. I’d be stunned if it doesn’t happen.

    I didn’t enjoy the book, despite being a Sandman fan, but if they can do a good I Love Lucy mockup then the – “Haven’t you ever wanted to see Lucy’s tits?” “Not really,” said Shadow, and turned off the TV – scene would look great.

  139. Lex
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Man I’ve read up on HBO plans and if all the rumors are true they are planning to start up another fantasy epic called “American Gods”, problem is no one knows when…

    That would be a wish come true, 2 epics a year instead of 1.Hope this comes true!

    Neil Gaiman (the author of the book) recently tweeted (maybe a couple months ago?) that he was writing the pilot script.

    I just finished reading the book recently, and while it could make a pretty cool mini series, it’s a single novel and fairly short on actual plot. I’m expecting HBO will have much more freedom to expand/change this one, like True Blood (but hopefully better).

    Dark Tower is a famous series of novels by Stephen King, and has been “in development” for years (first as Hollywood films, then TV miniseries, then both, and now… who knows). It could also be very cool.

  140. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Teresa,
    Ed,
    Thank you for the feedback :D.

  141. Varamyr Foreskins
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,
    Varamyr 4 skins,
    Varamyr Fourskins and 4 skins, meet Varamyr Foreskins :P

    (sorry, I just had to – Ser Tahu)

  142. Arthur
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Looks like Neil wants the first few seasons of American Gods to be material from the book but the majority of other seasons just for the TV show as long as he can remain the writer.

    Lots of info on Hbowatch.com. Here’s a direct link to it’s American Gods watch thread.

    http://hbowatch.com/category/american-gods/

    Dark Tower seems like a huge fish to hook but HBO is trying to catch it… It will be another epic fantasy with many cowboy western aspects mixed with King Arthur and a little magic. Seems interesting.

  143. Arthur
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    GoT has really proven an epic may cost a lot more but it also can yield a lot more for HBO. It’s a high risk with potential high reward. To minimize the risk you need to get a novel with a huge fanbase so hopefully that fanbase can help influence and spark interest throughout the general populace.

    I think this is a formula HBO is aware of and following through on with American Gods and possibly Dark Tower.

    This makes me really happy because I am a greedy consumer and I want HBO to eventually have four epics on rotation. It sucks that after GoT is over there is no more epics to look forward to and I think HBO is going to fix this.

    At least my hopes are up after reading about all the HBO new series plans and I think the successful gamble they took with GoT has a huge reason for HBO’s new found attitude towards creating new epics.

    All HBO needs is to find some producers that are passionate about the subject matter like D&D are and it’ll be epic television 52 weeks a year…

  144. Jacarb
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Eleanor,

    I have only ever loved four books so much that I have reread them, cover to cover: The Odyssey, Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Slaughterhouse V, and Anansi Boys (the spin-off from American Gods). This is a convenient measure of my all-time favorite books. There is a particular shelf with an important place for my Loeb Odyssey, Ultimate Guide, three editions of Slaughterhouse, and the so-fucking-pretty B&N edition of American Gods and Anansi Boys. I’ve considered adding ASoIaF to this echelon–if only because I’ve rewatched the show, read the graphic novel, referenced chapters, and poured through the wiki enough to constitute multiple rereads–but I won’t buy a physical copy until I can get some pimped out hardcover full series box set.

    This has been a long-winded way of saying that ASoIaF and American Gods both exist in the odd netherspace between my absolute favorite books and my regular favorite books.

    So…yeah. I’m excited.

  145. Jacarb
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    I want HBO to eventually have four epics on rotation. It sucks that after GoT is over there is no more epics to look forward to and I think HBO is going to fix this.

    All HBO needs is to find some producers that are passionate about the subject matter like D&D are and it’ll be epic television 52 weeks a year…

    A million times this. And since I just mentioned my other favorites are Hitchhiker and The Odyssey…I might have an idea or two…

    Edit: Oh! I just realized. The other book that gets dubious honors as a reread is Making Money, from the Discworld series, which I only reread because it was the only English book on a four day train. But Discworld could make for a fantastic HBO series itself!

  146. Chickenduck
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Jacarb

    Edit: Oh! I just realized. The other book that gets dubious honors as a reread is Making Money, from the Discworld series, which I only reread because it was the only English book on a four day train. But Discworld could make for a fantastic HBO series itself!

    There already IS an adaptation of some of the Discworld novels, in the form of some not-very-good TV movies (Hogfather and I think Going Postal). They are pretty bad.

    Having said that, I’d absolutely love to see a good adaptation of maybe just the City Watch /Ankh Morpork arc of the Discworld series… And I loved both Going Postal and Making Money.

    Although Terry Pratchett’s declining health might complicate any US TV adaptation happening anytime soon.

  147. Cookie
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: There already IS an adaptation of some of the Discworld novels, in the form of some not-very-good TV movies (Hogfather and I think Going Postal).They are pretty bad.

    Those two and theres also a combined “The Colour Of Magic”/”The Light Fantastic” mini series. Mileages may vary, but i found them all to be quite enjoyable and the overall reception was also pretty decent, as far as i remember.

    The casting also has some notable names, with Charles Dance, Jeremy Irons, Sean Astin and Christopher Lee as the Voice of Death.

  148. Arthur
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    That’s sweet!

    When HBO makes an official announcement on American Gods ill buy the books. I am a huge sucker for any mythology. When I was in grade school my father would get me all kinds of mythology books and stories to read from Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Norse and everything in between.

    There is one book I really loved and read 3 times so far. The story is based on people who actually existed and they dug up sites from the books and found things the book references.

    Anyway the book is called Njal’s Saga. It’s about an Icelandic man named Njal and his friendship with a warrior named Gunnarr. They are best friends but their wives hate each other and always plot against one another. It’s mainly about blood feuds and the actual laws of Iceland at that time.

    It is an awesome and really fast read that has really memorable events. Here’s a link to wiki if you’re interested. My fav character is Skarphedin..

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Njáls_saga

    Lol here’s someone opinion of Skarphedin,

    “The Skarphedin of the epic “Njål’s saga” is a war-mongering psychopath who takes advice from murderers, makes enemies unnecessarily, and carries out the foulest of deeds in the belief that his motives justify his means. His contemporary namesake is Ossur Skarphedin’s son, Iceland’s minister of foreign affairs.”

    Here’s another persons opinion of the book,

    Action:

    This story has some of the best action sequences that I have ever seen, even including fantasy-novels! Here’s a direct quote from Chapter 92. The situation is this: Skarp-Hedin and some friends of his are about to ambush a group led by Thrain, another icelandic warrior. Unfortunately, Skarp-Hedin’s shoe came untied while his group was racing down to intercept Thrain, so he was left somewhat behind.

    …They turned down towards the ice-bridge, running as fast as they could. Skarp-Hedin jumped up as soon as he had tied his shoe, and hoisted his axe. He raced down straight towards the river, which was much to depe to be forded anywhere along that stretch. A huge sheet of ice had formed a low hump on the other side of the channel. It was as smooth as glass, and Thrain and his men had stopped on the middlo of this hump. Skarp-Hedin made a leap and cleared the channel between the ice-banks, steadied himself, and at once went into a slide: the ice was glassy-smooth, and he skimmed along as fast as a bird.
    Thrain was then abot to put on his helmet. Skarp-Hedin came swooping down on him and swung at him with his axe. The axe crashed down on his head and split it down to the jaw-bone, spilling the back-teeth on to the ice. It all happened so quickly that no one had time to land a blow on Skarp-Hedin as he skimmed past at great speed. Tjorvi threw a shield into his path, but Skarp-Hedin cleared it with a jump without losing his balance and slid to the other end of the sheet-ice.

    This all left out the shit talking these warriors do to each other while fighting that’s makes me scream in adrenaline.

    Skarp-Hedin hunts people down and when he finds them he just throws insults at them in front of friends and kin until he provokes fights. Picture The Red Viper vs The Mountain but happening 10 times throughout the book.

    In Chapter 123, Skarp-Hedin tells Flosi: “You are, as I’ve heard, the mistress
    of the Svinafell Troll, who uses you as a woman every ninth night.” Lol.

    Anyway, I could go on and on. Anyone looking for a light reading epic, give Njal’s Saga a whirl.

  149. Chickenduck
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    Cookie: Those two and theres also a combined “The Colour Of Magic”/”The Light Fantastic” mini series. Mileages may vary, but i found them all to be quite enjoyable and the overall reception was also pretty decent, as far as i remember.

    I mostly remember not being able to watch them all the way through, but obviously it’s a question of personal taste :) I also don’t really like Dr Who!

  150. Jacarb
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    I watched Going Postal because Moist von Lipwig is just a great character. This was after GoT introduced me to Charles Dance, and I had to pause because I was laughing so hard [out of joy] that he was cast as Vetinari. Perfect.

    That said, the movies do kinda suck. Their problem, I think, is trying to just make individual books into standalone movies with Syfy-esque budgets. What would make the whole book series great for a dedicated television series is how it is composed of thirty-nine not-necessarily-related novels that mostly draw on the same huge ensemble of characters. A well conceived show could take this overabundance of source material, mix, match, and otherwise carve out solid narratives to last a season at a time, and have a ton of flexibility with casting. And with all the colorful magic and oft-cartoony happenings, it would benefit hugely from a real effects budget.

    It would be like a wacky GoT, minus any concern that changing the story would ruin it.

  151. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: Didn’t little Maisie already give you a kiss on the cheek, and Issac Hempstead
    offer you a free Lemon Cake last year ? Just kidding, we cannot all be so
    expectant. You’ll get your medal when someone here finally wins one of WiC
    product contests, or did you win that too (?)(:

    ? I don’t really know what to say to that……….so I’ll say… fireplace

  152. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Zeus,

    Do what? Shooting game of thrones? There are tons of my coworkers who celebrate Ramadan and still show up for work. How is this different?

    I think you’ll find he’s having you on, mate!

  153. loco73
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming!

    Here, here! I shall have a drink for the beginning of the new filming period…let Season Four come, and good luck and all the best for those involved!

    Do we know if Tim Van Patten will return to GoT? Glad that Neil Marshall appears to be!

    PS I loved both “A Feast For Crows ” and ” A Dance With Dragons “. The fact that they expanded the world of ASOIF and introduced many new and interesting characters was the right way to go, whereas the first three novels where mainly centered in Westeros.

  154. monicayoung
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    Game of Thrones Season 3 is talk about Seven noble families fight for control of the mythical land of Westeros. Political and sexual intrigue is pervasive. Robert Baratheon, King of Westeros, asks his old friend Eddard, Lord Stark, to serve as Hand of the King, or highest official. Secretly warned that the previous Hand was assassinated, Eddard accepts in order to investigate further. Meanwhile the Queen’s family, the Lannisters, may be hatching a plot to take power. Across the sea, the last members of the previous and deposed ruling family, the Targaryens, are also scheming to regain the throne. The friction between the houses Stark, Lannister and Baratheon, and with the remaining great houses Greyjoy, Tully, Arryn, and Tyrell, leads to full-scale war. All while a very ancient evil awakens in the farthest north. Amidst the war and political confusion, a neglected military order of misfits, the Night’s Watch, is all that stands between the realms of men and icy horrors beyond. Written by Tfilm78 and Cajunman

  155. Hounded
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    notabookreader,

    I’m well aware its fantasy. Your point being? …

  156. Rimshot
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    Two Feathers: They are filming at Shanes Castle. Spotted the little pink signs yesterday. Could be the caverns under the castle which have been used as Dragonstone dungeons and Winterfell crypts. Or could be somewhere in the 800 acre woodland which surrounds the castle.My money is on Dragonstone…

    We were filming in those caverns for ‘Our Robot Overlords’ a few weeks ago. Amazing location.

  157. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Personally i think they don’t need to include the 3 treason’s thing. It’s pretty pointless.

  158. Huge Floppys
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Id be surprised if the PW wasn’t the 1st episode. To 1, Start the season off with a bang as well as to somewhat ease the pain of the RW.

  159. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    I hope we hear Mace Tyrell casting news soon, we need the head of that family even if Olenna is the real brains.

    Randyll Tarly would be nice but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if he was cut or delayed till S5.

    As for Coldhands I’d rather they kept that news quiet and have him surprise us in an episode. Of course that’s if they even use him.

    Keep Victarion, Euron and Arianne for S5 please.

  160. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    Huge Floppys,

    No way will they do that, we need a couple episodes to build up to the wedding and also introduce the audience to Mace and Oberyn.

  161. Huge Floppys
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    U would think they would do that but D&D have been known to pack characters/events into 1 episode. I persoanly hope the wait till the 2nd or 3rd episode

  162. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Huge Floppys,

    I reckon it will happen round about episode 4 or 5. I don’t mind which number as long as it happens during the first half of the season, 3-5 would be ideal.

  163. Premislaus
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Totally offtopic here, but after watching 3 episodes of Under the Dome, my respect for D&D increased greatly. Turns out, you can use good source material to create absolute rubbish.

  164. John
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Unbowd UnbentUnHodor:
    Personally i think they don’t need to include the 3 treason’s thing. It’s pretty pointless.

    Even if it would be pointless, it adds – like a prophecy – some extra layer of mystery to it and we can discuss during seasons and off-seasons which will maybe come true and which won’t (right now happening for the books at westeros.org).. Tolkien fans all over the world discussed FOR YEARS the entwives and the being named Tom Bombadill.

  165. tereza
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Really hope for Jaime – Tyrion scenes since Jamie is back so soon… And also looking forward to Ramsay!!

  166. darquemode
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Unbowd UnbentUnHodor,

    Personally the prophecies surrounding Dany were by far my favorite aspect of her arcs in the books! Even one of the lesser warnings like the “3 betrayals”.

    Prophecy and mysteries of epic nature do get people thinking and talking bout a series. Look at LOST. Working as a bartender/ waiter I used t hear people talking about LOST quite a bit during the offseason. Adding another layer of buzz to the series is not a bad idea, especially as it approaches maturity as a series

    Plus they tie in the main narrative to the supernatural narrative of the story.

    Of course, the difficulty is not foreshadowing too heavily in the visual medium. For that reason I can understand why some bits were left out of the HotU or various dreams. However, I think having a person (Quaithe, Melisadre, Moqorro, Aemon etc) tell a prophecy avoids the visual foreshadowing issues easily enough.

    I think a great deal would be gained by including the prophecies and much has been lost in the TV series by omitting most of them so far.

  167. The Flayed Man
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    WildSeed,

    I found this site…

    http://hbowatch.com/

    It’s like a WiC site but for HBO fans. It has a lot of cool info, have a go.

    It concluded American Gods is a sure thing, the question is just when. They believe it’ll be the True Blood fantasy replacement.

    There’s another epic that seems to be in the making called Dark Tower but it seems that one I’d more rumor then fact.

    Pretty cool that you like it, as a matter of fact I write for that site!

  168. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: There already IS an adaptation of some of the Discworld novels, in the form of some not-very-good TV movies (Hogfather and I think Going Postal).They are pretty bad.

    Having said that, I’d absolutely love to see a good adaptation of maybe just the City Watch /Ankh Morpork arc of the Discworld series…And I loved both Going Postal and Making Money.

    Although Terry Pratchett’s declining health might complicate any US TV adaptation happening anytime soon.

    I think Terry Pratchett has a City Watch TV show planned, but no one seems to be very excited about it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Watch_%28TV_series%29
    http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2012/10/terry-pratchetts-city-watch-tv-series.html

    Also, Charles Dance is the perfect Vetinari and I don’t really think Going Postal was bad. Sure, it’s not meant to be taken entirely seriously, but it isn’t awful either. The rest of them are, thou.

  169. Selmy
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Premislaus,

    I’m actually really enjoying Under the Dome! It’s trashy but fun. Not every show can be HBO-classy.

    And it has Dean Norris!

  170. Varamyr Foreskins
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,
    Although I agree that Victarion and Arianne (and Quentyn and Young Griff) should be kept for season 5, Euron could (and in my opinion should) appear in season 4. The Kingsmoot didin’t happen immediately after Balon’s death, there was a period of at least a few weeks where Euron had crowned himself king unopposed before the Kingsmoot was called. My prediction for the Ironborn is
    32 – Balon is killed
    33 – Euron crowns himself
    35 – YarAsha is defeated by the Boltons. To those who say that she would turn around the moment Balon dies I ask; how would she know that Balon is dead if she is on a boat? Raven’s can’t be sent to boats. She would continue with her attack ignorant of the events at Pyke, and would find out about Balon’s death either upon arriving at the Dreadfort or upon her return to Pyke
    somewhere between 38-40 – YarAsha returns and confronts Euron. A Kingsmoot is called and they depart to rally support in preparation for it

    Premislaus,
    Really? I enjoyed the first two episodes of Under the Dome (I haven’t seen episode three yet, and haven’t read the book but I assume that it is awesome because it is Stephen King :P). The series that is rather rubbish despite being based on what I assume is great source material is Haven (also Stephen King, lol).

    Speaking of Stephen King, my one main question as far as HBO is concerned is why they passed on The Dark Tower. If they ditch the whole ‘three movies split by two tv seasons’ idea and just make it a tv series they could have another Game of Thrones size hit on their hands… Anyway, my ideal HBO lineup would be The Leftovers, Game of Thrones, American Gods (replacing True Blood) and The Dark Tower (replacing Boardwalk Empire).

  171. darquemode
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Selmy,

    Same for me.
    I never read the books though so I cannot speak to its adaptation, just the fact I’m entertained so far.

    Also I was watching last night and considering ho they cast Oberyn Martell was thinking that Natalie Martinez could make a pretty good Nymeria Sand or Arianne Martell. Certainly has the widow’s peak! Maybe a bit old for the roles now that by all appearances they cast Oberyn as younger than in the books.

  172. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Foreskins,

    I think what Yara is doing is a red herring, to get people excited for the next season. She might get there and find that Ramsay and his men have moved in to Winterfell, perhaps having left another note by Ramsay, saying that he killed Theon (technically true I guess. Similar to gravedigger/the hound). She hears Balon died and goes back to claim her seat, only to find that Euron returned shortly before her.

  173. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Foreskins,
    LOL, I forgot to change my name back to Ser Tahu for that post :P

    haltwhogoesthere,
    I guess that is a possibility, but my point still stands that she wouldn’t immediately turn around as soon as Balon dies because she would have no way to know.
    And just for the record, if Ramsay and Reek aren’t there when she arrives, they will have either left to hunt Rickon or to clear Moat Cailin, them heading to Winterfell won’t come until later.

  174. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    HBO has to get the rights to Dune. NOW that would be an epic adaptation.

    And what happen to the I Claudius remake they had been talking about? If they can’t get that off the ground they should take another shot at Ancient Rome and adapt the Masters of Rome series by Colleen McCullough. The first three books in that series The First Man in Rome, The Grass Crown and Fortune’s Favourites which chronicle the rise of Marius and of Sulla would be amazing television.

  175. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,
    Really? HBO has the right’s to the Dune franchise, not just to air the movie from the 80′s? If so that is indeed interesting news. However, the problem with adapting the Dune franchise is that there is a 3500 year timeskip after book 3, and then another 1500 year timeskip after book 4. I could picture those timeskips being extremely jarring to viewers.

    But if they were to do it as well as The Dark Tower that would be a rather epic lineup. Dune (Sci-fi), Game of Thrones (High Fantasy), American Gods (modern day fantasy. Technically it hasn’t been greenlit yet, but in all likelihood it will be) and The Dark Tower (Horror Action Gunslinger Western with sci-fi/fantasy elements).

  176. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Joshua Taylr didn’t say they do have the rights; merely that they should get them. (Which, oh man, I so agree.)

  177. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Joshua Taylor didn’t say they do have the rights; merely that they should get them. (Which, oh man, I so agree.)

  178. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    HBO HAS to. They don’t have the rights. Sci-Fi has the rights if I’m not mistaken. And I would assume they would adapt the first three books only. There’s no need for God Emperor, Heretics or Chapterhouse.

  179. Teresa
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    HBO has to get the rights to Dune. NOW that would be an epic adaptation.

    I would love to see the original Dune novel get the GoT series treatment. That book had great source material and deserves a proper adaptation (I didn’t see the ’80s film by David Lynch or the Sci-Fi Channel mini-series, not interested in either.)

    In the new Superman movie Man of Steel, I thought its protrayal of Krypton was sort of a cross between GoT and Dune, the closest to what the Dune universe could look like (except in the desert, of course).

  180. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,
    Joshua Taylor,
    My bad, I misread it :P. It is almost 1 in the morning where I live, so I am a bit tired.

    Also Joshua, you forgot Hunters and Sandworms (although they aren’t written by Frank they are the conclusion of his main franchise. It’s kind of like the last three Wheel of Time books; not written by the author himself, but based on extensive notes left by the author).

  181. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Teresa,

    The Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is actually not bad at all.

  182. Teresa
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    And I would assume they would adapt the first three books only. There’s no need for God Emperor, Heretics or Chapterhouse.

    Yeah, I agree. I thought those novels were just a bit too out there. The first three novels had the most compelling human stories. Plus, Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson wrote two interesting Dune continuation novels, The Winds of Dune and Sisterhood of Dune (a prequel) that has some good source material for adaptation.

    The Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is actually not bad at all.

    Oh, OK, thanks for the recommendation. I’ll go try to find them at my local library.

  183. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Teresa,

    The Sci fi channel miniseries is actually decent. The first one is a low budget production but is faithful to Herbert’s vision its just too cheap looking in parts. Ian McNiece is a magnicient Baron Harkonnen however. But their adaptation of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune is miles better. The score by Brian Tyler is stunning.

    In Children of Dune Alice Krige plays a fantastic Jessica (as did Saskia Reeves in the first miniseries though none match Francesca Annis as she is the Jessica burned in my head) Julie Cox’s Irulan plays a bigger role but you don’t care because she is so good and I always found her fascinating even if she wasn’t developed as Chani or other female characters. They age Leto and Ghani up, but James McAvoy is quite memorable as Leto III. Scary even.

    Here is the cleaning house scene from Dune Messiah. Paul’s enemies are purged except Irulan intercut with the birth of the twins in a Godfather Christening scene type montage…
    http://youtu.be/IGPFB8yR6zk

  184. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I’m sorry I can’t. I have never forgiven Anderson for his SW EU novels. Darksaber was a travesty.

  185. Teresa
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor
    Joshua Taylor,

    Thank you for the recommendations. I will check them out!
    :-)

  186. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,
    As far as I’m concerned Star Wars as a whole is a travesty… ok, travesty is an overstatement, but I believe that it is vastly overrated. The SW universe is interesting, but as far as the films are concerned they aren’t anything particularly special and border on cliche a lot of the time. But my favourite thing about SW is that I know hardcore SW fans who disown half of the films yet still claim it is the greatest thing ever. If even the most devoted fans hate half of the primary franchise then it can’t be the greatest thing ever.

    Anyway, that is my SW rant done, and we have gone rather off topic. So, to get back on topic, does anyone know where they are filming first for season 4?

  187. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I despise the prequels but love the universe in of itself. The expanded universe novels had great moments of poignancy but the prequels and the mentality that came with them deluded my idea of what Star Wars was about. To this day I love the original trilogy especially Empire but have slowly been seduced by the quiet brilliance of Star Trek. As for Kevin J Anderson, I find his writing poor and have no interest seeing what he does with Herbert’s universe.

  188. darquemode
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Awesome news for Dunk and Egg fans!

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/

    Dunk and Egg will follow. Jet City will be putting both THE HEDGE KNIGHT and THE SWORN SWORD back into print. . . and releasing ebook versions for the Kindle, making both titles available electronically for the first time.

    New Jet City issues will publish on Kindle as standalone comics, as serialized comics released over multiple episodes, and as bundled graphic novels, with print editions available at amazon.com and other comics retailers.

    Not as good as having a new novella, but I will take being able to buy stand-alone ebooks for the first time!

  189. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: The SW universe is interesting, but as far as the films are concerned they aren’t anything particularly special and border on cliche a lot of the time.

    What does so much for those movies – or at least the first three produced – is that they took a simple story, found some compelling actors who had a way with the films’ sometimes-clunky dialogue, found some relaxing humor in it, and did a lot with creature and visual effects that had never before been seen on that level. I mean, Logan’s Run came out a year before Star Wars, and the difference between the two is ridiculous. Return of the Jedi’s FX looked great for about 8-9 years, when Terminator II came along and made all other movies before that look like a Marx Bros movie.

    That said, the prequels are mostly just awful. And people who say that somehow, the 3rd one is better than Return of the Jedi are smoking something.

  190. Ser Habakuk Tibatong
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I tried to reply to your post on livejournal, but you disabled anonymous postings, so i’ll reply here, instead.

    I’ve only read your predictions for Season 4 thoroughly, so far, but I already see that I disagree with your decision to stretch out AFfC/ADwD till Season 6. As a result of this a lot of storylines seem to progress very slowly, particularly Arya’s and Bran’s, but I assume others will start to suffer as well later. Jaime and Brienne come to mind, for example.

    As far as Bran is concerned I think his Season 4 storyline could be padded out by some added interaction with the Night’s Watch deserters at Craster’s Keep and/or Mance and the Wildlings before meeting Coldhands.

    Arya seems too well-liked a character to have only two important scenes (Crossroads Inn & boarding boat to Braavos) this season. So personally I would have her story arc end with her enrollment at the House of Black and White. But whichever way you go, her story over the next few seasons definitely needs to be expanded from what the books offer.

    But the biggest problem, as far as Season 4 is concerned, seems to be Daenerys’ storyline. Everything you’ve written (except for Jorah’s banishment) seems to be a rehash from Yunkai in Season 3. This made me think that maybe they should really cut Meereen entirely and set the events of AFfC and ADwD in Yunkai. Or have her conquer Meereen early in Season 4. But there definitely needs to be some variation from Season 3.

    Some small quibbles: I think it’s unlikely that Gendry will only reappear in Episode 8, although I think you’re right that he will join Brienne. Which also makes me think, that Podrick will stay behind in King’s Landing and replace the Kettleblacks, not Meryn Trant. I think the whole brothel silliness in Season 3 was intended to set that up.

    Also, I noticed that your predictions never mention Qyburn. Since he was introduced in Season 3 and is now at King’s Landing, I think he will have to play some sort of role. Maybe he’ll torture Shae for Cersei, so she’ll testify against Tyrion?

    And I don’t think they’ll introduce Styr just to kill him off. Rather I think that Tormund will be killed and Styr will take his place in the following events.

    Concerning Bronn, my pet idea is that he could be paid off not by Cersei, but by Oberyn Martell, who wants to fight Gregor himself. This could lead to Bronn accompanying the Dornish back home and him becoming involved in Arianne’s plot in Season 5. This way you would have an established character as part of that storyline, which would help to introduce the new setting and better tie it into the existing plot. This would, however, work best if Arianne would already be part of Oberyn’s entourage in Season 4.

  191. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Ah thanks Arthur, that’s a plus for readers interested in a televised version.
    Sounds good. *>*

  192. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald:
    I was the first one to retweet this….and before you ask, yes I want a medal

    I realise this was a jest, about the medal part, so too was my reply. Now, about
    the ” fireplace”……… ?

  193. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb: Also, what are you talking about in regards to Ozymandias? How in the world could anything be developed out of a fourteen line poem? It has an interesting [and singular] point, but it is far from epic, both as a general descriptor and a technical term denoting a class of poetry.

    I thought the same of Beowulf. True, it’s a much longer epic poem, but I never
    envisioned a movie film devoted to it. Stranger projects have come out of
    Hollywood, even a skit by Pauly Shore makes it to the box office ):

    Anyway, I wondered if it could be a premise which expands into a film.

  194. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Star Trek can be great. Star Wara can be great. Dune can be great. I love me some space operas like nothing else but they all suffer their weak points. With the right people in charge they shine like diamonds.

    Man, the things I would do for an HBO space opera.

  195. bon
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    My 5 cents to the Dorne: I found a castle in Poland that merges many architectual styles like late English gothic, Central European gothic of the Teutonic Knights, Mediterranian gothic of Sicily and Bizantine and Mauretania. Just look: http://turystyka.wp.pl/gid,15798163,title,Kamieniec-Zabkowicki-palac-wprost-ze-snu,galeria.html?ticaid=110ea4

  196. lincoln
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Personally , I don’t know why they would want to film in such a @#$*&#$ country like Croatia ?
    Italy is just next door and has many more historical sights and many more scenic places … Come on GOT producers , get smart ???

  197. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Premislaus,

    I couldn’t watch anymore after the first two! LOL!

  198. Lex
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    lincoln:
    Personally , I don’t know why they would want to film in such a @#$*&#$ country like Croatia ?
    Italy is just next door and has many more historical sights and many more scenic places … Come on GOT producers , get smart ???

    Part of why HBO cancelled Rome was because of the extremely high cost of filming in Italy. That’s why they’re in Croatia instead.

  199. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    lincoln,

    Umm Croatia is beautiful. The Kings Landing scenes alone proved that. Not to mention there is a plethora of medieval ruins available in Croatia.

  200. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: I realise this was a jest, about the medal part, so too was my reply. Now, about
    the ” fireplace”……… ?

    In some circumstances where I either have nothing to say or don’t know what to say, I just blurt out anything, normally “Hodor” but oft “fireplace”, “cheese puffs” or something else entirely :)

  201. Grijnwaald
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    lincoln:
    Personally , I don’t know why they would want to film in such a @#$*&#$ country like Croatia ?
    Italy is just next door and has many more historical sights and many more scenic places … Come on GOT producers , get smart ???

    I’m sure if you went to Dubrovnik in the summer, you wouldn’t be calling it @#$*&#$

  202. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald,

    I got that….. wish there was a ” wink ” icon or something.

  203. Jacarb
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Dunno, man. Beowulf had a plot. Conflict and characters and whatnot. Ozymandias is: narrator meets traveller, traveller describes statue, statue brags about Ozymandias being so great, statue is crumbling and alone, no one remembers who Ozymandias was or what he did.

    It’s a framing device and a static image. Adapting it into video would involve more plot, setting, and characters being pulled out of someone’s ass than the Battleship movie.

    Just noticed that GRRM quotes it in yesterday’s blog post, though…

    As for some other ideas that have popped up…

    Greyjoys — I’m willing to think that the kingsmoot will happen off screen. Having Yara go after Theon works well in two ways: it gives Theon some non-torture screen time, and it takes focus away from the moot. If you show it, you need Aeron (or a generic Drowned Man) to explain the process, background on Victarion and Euron, and then the scene with the chests will just be silly on TV. Compare to: Yara returns home to find her father dead and uncle Eurarion in charge. Saves a lot of headache and you don’t need to cast Euron/Victarion for another season. Which we know is a thing that happens..

    Martells — I hope Arianne gets introduced early as part of Oberyn’s retinue, even if unlikely. It baffles me that a gorgeous and ambitious 23 year-old desert princess doesn’t have more of a fan following. I very much read her as a protagonist, and with the Starks scattered to the wind House Martell is my favorite family still in power. Arianne is going to be the main agent of Doran’s plan–the tip of the spear, if you will–and I’d rather her role steadily increase than just have her jump in out of nowhere during a later season.

  204. Obosi
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    If the actors put themselves forward then it makes sense that Jack Gleeson was never on the list. He’s one of the best actors on TV and the perfect villain, but he’s already stated that he has no interest to continue acting after GoT.

  205. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    ignore

  206. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Ser Habakuk Tibatong,
    Sorry I didn’t realises anon commnts were disabled, but I think that should be fixed now.

    The problem with expanding Arya’s storyline with filler in season 5 is that there are so many storylines that need to be service, yet you only have about 50-55 minutes an episode, 9 hours a season in which to do that. So because season 5 has so many storyline, to give Arya more screentime just because she is popular could be to harm other storylines that are actively contributing to the overall plot.

    For Bran, him interacting with the Night’s Watch deserters is a possibility. But my personal theory is that they will take refuge in Craster’s Keep which is now abandoned, and the wights that attack them will be the deserters, but either way could work.

    Concerning Daenerys, the whole point in my prediction was that it starts off looking like the Yunkai situation but plays out very differently. In both there is a city defended by a sellsword company and she meets with the leaders, but that is where the similarities end. The Yunkai leaders walk in there trying to make peace, but the Meereenese leaders walk in there expecting it to come to battle. In Yunkai Daenerys’ enemies turn to her side (Daario and the Second Sons), while in Meereen her friends turn against her (Jorah). In Yunkai a full on battle is averted by the sellswords joining her, while in Meereen the battle happens. In Yunkai it somes to a relatively peaceful and bloodless end with them infiltrating the city and the slavers releasing the slaves, while in Meereen Daenerys has to take the city by force and put the slavers to the sword (or the post, as it were). In Yunkai she is a saviour, but in Meereen she is a conqueror. That contrast would be more apparent on the show than in my predictions and will be quite powerful (assuming that they go that route with it).

    For Gendry and Podrick: I don’t see any problem with Gendry having two scenes in season 4, as he only had two very short scenes in season 1. And as for Podrick my prediction is that the show version of Tyrion’s line will be “she’s been fucking Lancel and Meryn Trant and Podrick for all I know”. So Podrick will replace Moon Boy as the exaggerated suggestion. Also, Cersei would view Podrick as having been in Tyrion’s inner circle and her paranoia would take over from there, so I really don’t see that happening.

    Also as far as King’s Landing is concerned my predictions were not a definitive list of scenes, and I do imagine that they will invent something for Qyburn to do. However, the problem with him torturing Shae to get her to turn against Tyrion is how do they then explain her ending up in Tywin’s bed?

    For the Wildlings: I don’t think Tormund will be killed off as he is already well established, as is his relationship with Jon (“I like you boy, but if you betray us…”) friendship becomes an important factor in ADwD. As for the idea that they wouldn’t introduce Styr just to kill him off, that’s what they did with Orell. But the other idea that I had with Styr is that he will be combined with his son Sigorn and marry Alys Karstark in season 6.

    And finally, about the Bronn idea: I actually really like that idea. I have heard the theory of him going to Dorne and replacing the Darkstar before, but Oberyn paying him off not to support Tyrion is the first time I have heard a good reason for him to go to Dorne at all. But since Ellaria is confirmed to be in the show, maybe she will be the one to pay off Bronn (or both her and Oberyn). Then Bronn would return to Dorne with Ellaria and she will convince Doran to trust Bronn so that he replaces Areo Hotah? And then it would be Bronn that kills Arys Oakheart instead of Areo. But then you lost the whole dynamic of Arianne having known Areo since she was a child…

  207. WildSeed
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I can tell, it’s Doctor Who, actually. He’s fussy about that (:

  208. WildSeed
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    yes, true, but I think you’re perceiving the limitations instead of an expanding
    adaptation. More has been done with less. The Watchmen movie was great,
    but Matthew Goode’s performance really had me thinking about it since then.

    Then again, after nearly nodding off at reading Finnegan’s Wake and Beowulf,
    for literature class, I would have NEVER seen a movie coming from what I read.

  209. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Jacarb,

    Then again, after nearly nodding off at reading Finnegan’s Wake and Beowulf,
    for literature class, I would have NEVER seen a movie coming from what I read.

    Finnegan’s Wake – fair enough. Anthologies have been written to try and decode it. Beowulf – for shame! Tousles with the monster Grendel, his daemonic mother, a dragon, and all through your titular warrior-turned king-turned-martyr. Exciting stuff! … but I am a university student working on an English literature degree :D I find it riveting. Ozymandias – “even absolute power is ultimately ephemeral. Think about it. The end.” Brilliant poem though.

  210. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Wouldn’t an Ozymandias series be a dramatization of the life of Ramses II?

  211. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Incidentally, Shelley’s work and Ozymandias in particular plays a role in the novel I am writing.

  212. KG
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    He didn’t build the vault. He just had a key, as I recall.

  213. WildSeed
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 5:31 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    WildSeed,

    Wouldn’t an Ozymandias series be a dramatization of the life of Ramses II?

    Absolutely. Still, I may have just been feeling the full effect of my pain pill, and
    overstating my case. With such an expansion, there may be little substance left,
    from the poem itself, rendering the plot weak or delving into another allegory
    altogether.

    Utilising Ramses the Great, on the other hand , offers more content and form,
    to conceive a story with Ozymandias in mind. Sort of an influence. Actually,
    the great pharaohs of Eqypt were always what I envisioned, primarily the
    followup to Ozymandias’s greater impact. Then again, my grandfather lit
    the fire of my impressions with this. It’s always been a thing of awe. He had
    a love for ancient history.

    Have you ever read ” The Journeyer “, by Gary Jenkins ? My uncle gave me that book,
    and told me, ” it’s not who you think it is “, so I read it dismissing it as Marco Polo.
    Ah.. to be young and impressionable again, gullible that is. I mention this because,
    as with the poem, stating a precursor , the full impact of the influence could be
    named something else , as with Ramses II. A book about Marco Polo could be
    disguised or modified in title.

    I suppose this rambling is quite naive of me , and yes, I remember somewhere you
    wrote that you were working on a book ( Myhsa thread ? ) . I had no idea that you
    had any interest in early literature, though. Once upon a time, this was a passion
    of mine, as was history. Both were side interests, to balance out med studies , kept
    me balanced. I rarely had time to fit in a book read, and nearly all were given to me.

    Good luck with your projects.

    I hope I didn’t scare off Jacarb with my weak argument. I’m not a writer, after all.

  214. WildSeed
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh: Finnegan’s Wake – fair enough. Anthologies have been written to try and decode it. Beowulf – for shame! Tousles with the monster Grendel, his daemonic mother, a dragon, and all through your titular warrior-turned king-turned-martyr. Exciting stuff! … but I am a university student working on an English literature degree :D I find it riveting. Ozymandias – “even absolute power is ultimately ephemeral. Think about it. The end.” Brilliant poem though.

    Of course, and it’s still fresh in your mind too (: I did enjoy the decoding and studies,
    but the fun was taken out of process because this was academic course . I should
    probably try a re-read, now that I’m more mature, and done with university studies.

    I did actually see the movie, starring Fiona Flanagan, I think. Certainly Joyce’s
    work had an effect on me. Aside from poets like Frost, Dickerson and Wordsworth,
    I spent most time snatching views of any Shakespeare play.
    Well, hope your studies go well.

  215. WildSeed
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    bon,

    Nice.

  216. Ser Habakuk Tibatong
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    [H]ow do they then explain [Shae] ending up in Tywin’s bed?

    Isn’t that a problem anyhow? The way Tywin is portrayed on the show, it seems very unlikely that he would want anything to do with Shae, let alone have sex with her. After all, after the trial he must know that she used to be Tyrion’s lover. Add the fact that Shae actually seems to be in love with Tyrion on the show and her ending up in Tywin’s bed seems even more unlikely.

    But of course that scene has to happen. So my approach differs a bit from the books: Shae is forced to testify against Tyrion by Cersei. This leaves Shae very upset. Later she is approached by Varys with a plan to help Tyrion. Varys will sneak her into Tywin’s bedchamber then have it arranged that somebody – Mace Tyrell? – finds her there. Finding her – a witness at the trial – this way would put the trial in question, but of course Varys’ main motivation would be to hurt Tywin, not to help Tyrion. Before Varys can have Mace alerted, however, Jaime forces him to release Tyrion. Seizing this chance to hurt Tywin even more, Varys shows Tyrion the passage to his father’s chambers. Tyrion finds Shae and kills her.

    I think this strategy might help to avoid the breaks in Tywin’s and Shae’s characterizations that would be necessary to set up the scene otherwise. And it would also serve to make Tyrion even more tragic since he would kill Shae believing her to have betrayed him when she was actually only trying to help him.

  217. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Ser Habakuk Tibatong,
    I don’t see the characterisation of Tywin being a problem as he was like that in the books. (If anything he was more extreme in the books). As far as I am concerned the only problem is with how they have characterised Shae. But even then you could see in season 3 that her affection for Tyrion may have been starting to waver…

  218. lost northern
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Dan Spicer,

    meaning ?

  219. Lady Mychelle
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
  220. WildSeed
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    If Canadiene/ Canadian scheduling permits, the US PBS -Nova presentation of
    ” Building Pharaoh’s Chariot “, may also allow for a peek at the competitiveness,
    which led to such engineering feats. It’s like the first Benz automobile, and
    significant for greatest era of conquests, all wrapped up in one documentary.

  221. Jacarb
    Posted July 10, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    I hope I didn’t scare off Jacarb with my weak argument. I’m not a writer, after all.

    Nah, just had a kickball game to get to. Very important, kickball, as the first thing one of the girls ever said to me was, “I’m going to call you Jon Snow.” We have a date next week.

    It’s lovely, though perhaps not surprising, to know other commenters here appreciate “epic” as a genre rather than a buzzy adjective. Well-read fans denote good things about a show, and when that show is successful other show creators will pay attention to who is watching. It’s hard to make something on film definitionally epic; the requirements are just too onerous. Movies are generally too short to be epic (and rarely are trilogies planned and written as one story), TV is limited by cost as epics tend to require many locations. I’d even hesitate to define ASoIaF/GoT as a true epic (the closest to an epic hero is Daenerys, and I’m not sure how well epics and an ensemble of plots go together…have to think about this more). It still feels epic to me, so I use the adjective subjectively, but that’s how the word’s more exclusive meanings have fallen away over the years. Because The Fast and the Furious felt epic to someone else and the definition expanded again as soon as they uttered the word. But if HBO takes away from the experience that TV is finally the place where epic film can come into its own, and that there is a prominent part of the fanbase specifically into that, everyone wins.

  222. WildSeed
    Posted July 11, 2013 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    Jacarb: if HBO takes away from the experience that TV is finally the place where epic film can come into its own, and that there is a prominent part of the fanbase specifically into that, everyone wins.

    It is known.
    Thanks for the reply, I appreciate that.

    Jacarb: Movies are generally too short to be epic

    Terms such as ” epic “, as you described in subjective categorization with the public,
    has so inundated the media, that most dismiss the need to clarify language anymore.
    Reappropriated words are expected every generation or so, however less are taught
    or deny dual meanings or discern whether there’s any relevance at all. Epic indeed.
    More like epi-demic, LOL.

    Movie films are too numerous, too short in time length ( blame Pauly Shore and
    Will Ferrell ), and the public gets fidgety …… or is it persnickety (?). It’s
    a wonder that fans eagerly watched those trilogies ( Harry Potter, LOTR, etc ).
    The Nerd-dom finally got some clout , or at least support from head producers
    whom proved to be Nerds themselves. Even so, I will not hold my breath to
    wait for a Ramses II / Egyptian Pharaoh type creation. That might make it
    to a feature documentary on cable networks, or PBS. Nice to see it onscreen,
    for now I’m content with a hard copy book, or a re-watch of ” Kingdom of
    Heaven” and ” Centurion “. No…. no Ben Hur movies with Charlton Heston…
    please no.

    BTW, I seem to just now recollect, Joshua and Lex are both Canadiene teachers
    and/ or writers.Throw darquemode plus a a few notable regular commentors
    (listed above) into the mix , and the discussions get quite heady here. I’m
    just an passionate observer.

  223. Calamardo
    Posted July 18, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait to watch the new season..Hilarious Game of Thrones test here

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