Casting Speculation

Casting Season 5: The Martells

Arianne Martell

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For the next feature in our series of Game of Thrones season 5 casting articles, we’re going to change things up a little and speculate about not one but two characters: Prince Doran Martell, the ruler of Dorne, and his daughter, Princess Arianne.

For years now, fans have been speculating that we might not see any of the Martell clan beyond the flashy Oberyn. With all the references to Dorne and its characters this season however, it seems more and more likely that we will be seeing some significant players from the southernmost of the Seven Kingdoms.

In the season four premiere Prince Doran, his health problems, and Sunspear (the seat of House Martell) were name-checked when Tyrion greeted the Dornish contingent. In episode three, Tywin admitted to Oberyn how much the Crown needs Dorne to hold off Daenerys, should she arrive on the shores of Westeros. In episode five, Oberyn discussed his daughters back home, and confirmed that Myrcella was happy when he saw her last with them. The regular mentions this year are giving fans hope that in season five, we’ll be seeing the Dornish characters and their home in the south.

So with that said, let’s take a look at some fan favorites and possibilities for the roles of Doran and Arianne Martell.

Doran Martell
In the books, Prince Doran is in his early fifties, a decade older than his brother Oberyn. To many, he looks much older than this. He’s in poor health, having a soft body and suffering from gout in his legs that makes it difficult to walk, though he doesn’t complain. The prince is wise, appearing more reserved and patient than his infamously hotheaded younger brother.

Alexander SiddigAlexander Siddig – The British actor is a long-time favorite of fans for the role. Siddig is known best for his role as Dr. Bashir on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, but in recent years has kept busy with supporting stints on Da Vinci’s Demons, 24, and Atlantis. He’s young for Doran, but with the show casting a younger Oberyn, Siddig being almost ten years older than Pedro Pascal is ideal. Siddig won’t be returning for the second season of Atlantis. Is the time right for GoT?

Edward James OlmosEdward James Olmos – For those envisioning an older Doran, the Mexican-American actor is another favorite. Olmos has a career spanning forty years of film and television, with highlights such as his Oscar-nominated turn in Stand and Deliver and his leading role on Battlestar Galactica as Admiral Adama. Olmos is hugely respected and certainly has the gravitas for the part of the ruler of Dorne. Perhaps HBO should give him a call?

ShahNaseeruddin Shah – The legendary Indian actor is most familiar to western audiences for playing the father of the bride in Monsoon Wedding and Captain Nemo in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. At 63, his age and looks fit well with the character and with his towering screen presence and over a hundred films to his credit, there’s no question he could nail the part of an ailing prince and beleaguered father.

Demian BichirDemián Bichir – Bichir first came to fans’ attention as a possible Doran when he joined the cast of Showtime’s Weeds as Esteban Reyes. In 2011, even more fans took notice when he starred in A Better Life as a gardener hoping to improve his son’s lot in life, and he picked up an Academy Award nomination for Best Actor. Bichir is currently starring in FX’s The Bridge, however, and with him playing the lead and filming into the summer, it may take him out of the running.

Erick Avari Erick Avari – A veteran of film and television, Avari has appeared in The Mentalist, Stargate, Warehouse 13, The X-Files, Heroes, The Mummy, and Daredevil just to name a few productions. He’s worked primarily in American television, and is overdue for a ripe, longer-running role on a drama like Game of Thrones.

 

Arianne Martell
Arianne Martell is the eldest child and heir of Prince Doran. The princess of Dorne is hot-tempered and strong-willed, resembling her uncle Oberyn more than her father in personality. Being the future ruler of her region, Arianne has an interest in politics and playing the game.

Arianne is described as having “jet-black ringlets that [fall] to the small of her back,” olive skin, and dark eyes. She’s short with a voluptuous figure, and is a seductive beauty.

Janina GavankarJanina Gavankar – This actress is a familiar face for HBO viewers, as she played shapeshifter Luna Garza on True Blood for two seasons. She’s also scored recurring gigs on Arrow, The Vampire Diaries, and The L-Word. George R.R. Martin himself once told Janina that she resembled Lady Nymeria, Arianne’s Sand Snake cousin. However, Gavankar is costarring in NBC’s new series The Mysteries of Laura this fall, which means she may not be available.

Antonia ThomasAntonia Thomas – Thomas is best known for playing Alisha on the E4 hit Misfits. After leaving the show in 2011, the British actress has turned up in films like Spike Island and Sunshine on Leith (using her singing talents extensively in the latter) and in the mini-series Fleming and Homefront. Thomas has a few small films in the can, but hasn’t broken out yet as a leading lady. She certainly could pull off Arianne’s confidence and sensuality, and would be an interesting choice.

Catalina Sandino MorenoCatalina Sandino Moreno – The Colombian actress burst onto the scene with her Academy Award-nominated performance in Maria Full of Grace in 2004. Since then she’s turned in strong supporting performances in films like Love in the Time of Cholera and Che: Part One and Two. Last year, she costarred in The Bridge as Alma Ruiz. Catalina is in her early thirties, but with an older Doran, that’s not a problem.

Freida PintoFreida Pinto – Pinto won hearts with her big screen debut as Latika in Slumdog Millionaire, and has been a favorite for fancasting the role of Arianne ever since. The actress has followed up with a variety of international films. Her most notable movie since then has been Rise of the Planet of the Apes. However Pinto has never done television and is more adept at playing sweeter characters, so despite looking the part, she may not be the best fit.

Amber Rose RevahAmber Rose Revah – This year, the 27-year-old English actress is starring as Mary Magdalene in Son of God. She’s appeared in several European TV programs, including The Mystery of Edwin Drood, Borgia, What Remains, and House of Saddam. Her most notable film roles to-date have been supporting parts in From Paris With Love and I Can’t Think Straight.  Revah has a smart presence in her roles and would be a solid choice for the Dornish princess.

Ours is the Fury: What does everyone think of these choices? Do you have any fantasy picks of your own? If the show decides to introduce either or both of these characters next year, they have a good bit of leeway with the ages, I think. After all, Doran is ten years older than Oberyn so he could easily be more than that on the show. The age is not very important as long as there’s a believable gap between father and daughter. Speculate away!

290 Comments

  • First post demanding Homayoun Ershadi for Prince Doran. I expect others will follow suit. :)

  • We’ve also had two golden company name drops, and what was the point in Yara’s field trip if not to build up to something and make us like her?

    I think we’ll get all the major ones

    Also I’d loooooove to have Alisha from Misfits (we already have Iwan Rheon from that), although I really can’t imagine her without a big afro, hoop earrings and a broad London accent

  • Janina Gavankar would be perfect for Arianne, great call. I love her work on True Blood.

  • House Mormont,

    Yara’s trip was mostly pointless. All it sets up is a future interaction between her and Theon. Really disappointed. Hopefully she gets back on track and we see her at the Kingsmoot and then captured at Deepwood Motte before her tearjerker reunion with Theon outside winterfell

  • House Mormont,

    I think Yara’s trip was mostly pointless. It just sets up her tear inducing reunion with Theon outside winterfell. Hope her arc gets back in track and we see her at the Kingsmoot and then getting captured by the rightful king at Deepwood Motte

  • House Mormont:

    I think we’ll get all the major ones

    I agree, given all sorts of hints this season I’m fairly certain we’ll see the major characters from both Dorne and the Irons Islands. When they’re talking about “hard choices”, I think/hope they’re talking about cutting characters like Val, the Kettlebacks, Cersei’s new small council members, Hyle Hunt, Nimble Dick, the Meereeneese councillors, Taena Merryweather, Barbrey Dustin, most of Tyrion’s travelbuddies, Brown Ben Plumm, etc.

    Also, talking about Season 5 makes me very happy!!!!

  • Turncloak,

    Giancarlo Esposito is way too dark to convincingly play Oberyn’s brother given how white Pedro Pascal is.

  • Turncloak,

    I think if they can’t find a good unknown (like Pedro Pascal was at the time- and will hopefully never be again), I would vouch for Gus Fring as well. Not so much for the look (which would require some wigs and stuff), but for the acting. That guy pulls the “sad smile” perfectly- and he can instantly turn from the harmless into the mastermind. This fits Doran perfectly.

    As for Arianne… It’d have to be someone willing to get naked. I am willing to bet she will be an unknown.

  • Turncloak:
    House Mormont,

    I think Yara’s trip was mostly pointless. It just sets up her tear inducing reunion with Theon outside winterfell. Hope her arc gets back in track and we see her at the Kingsmoot and then getting captured by the rightful king at Deepwood Motte

    Disagree slightly. Yara’s arc so far this season perfectly tees up her rationale to pursue the Seastone Chair at the Kingsmoot. She needed to be sure that Theon is no longer the rightful heir, as long as she had any doubt it would have felt like a betrayal to pursue control of the Iron Islands for herself. Now that she knows Theon isn’t really Theon anymore she can move forward.

    So Yara’s arc was a reasonable adaptation and makes perfect sense. Of course we can debate if they executed it as well as they possibly could…

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I FULLY SUPPORT THIS

    Turncloak,

    What does she do as Stannis’ prisoner? Nothing. If they’re keeping her in the air just for that then I’d say that’s a waste of time, but hey, Euron and Viccy do require a lot of time, since they both part ways from Asha, and then from each other

  • So, will the next season focus solely on Martells and Greyjoys considering how much of their material was left out? Killing of Balon, return of the raiders from the North, kingsmoot, all the things that are happening before the kingsmoot, raiding the coasts of Reach, Asha’s escape to North I bet I forgot something…

  • Yes! Antonia Thomas for Arianne! She’s gorgeous and talented, and she’s worked with Emilia Clarke and (of course) Iwan Rheon before, not that that bit matters. I’d love to see her cast.

  • Sunfyre,

    Why couldn’t they just have Yara assume that Theon was literally dead like in the books though? I guess because of the box that Ramsay sent Balon at the end if season 3. If so I would have wished that Yara was not in that scene and that Balon keeps that information to himself. I would have preferred Ramsay and Theon absent for the entirety of season 3 and we get introduced to them instead using the season 4 episode 1 material.if Alfie Allen would not be on board with that than I wouldn’t mind either even though I hate recasts

  • Jimmy Smits might be a good choice as well. Though he’s on Sons of Anarchy currently, I think.

  • Kingslayer,

    Considering Dorne has a very diverse blood line that would be hard to explain. Also on the show, Sansa looks nothing like Arya, Ramsay does not look like Roose, Tywin bears little resemblance to his children, etc.

  • Turncloak,

    Such a thing was decided looooong ago, when they were drafting season 2 and decided to keep Reek/Ramsay out of it to have the “boy mystery” in season 3, but I’d doubt viewers would sympathise with Theon if he wasn’t in season 3, people are only starting to sympathise now and there’s been so mayhorrid scenes

  • hi house mormont im a reg reader on this site but don’t comment often and ive read your posts loads and agree with a lot of what u say. I also agree with most of your post I also watched misfits and like both actors in it but I hate the casting of ramsey and hate the way he portrays him yes ramsey is mad in the books and sneaky but he is also a killer even theon would just slap that guy about. hate posting this as they get it right almost every time. sorry for the rant.
    House Mormont,

    House Mormont,

  • House Mormont,

    Purely based on their roles in ADWD, why should either of those characters make it into the show? In the case of the Green Grace, I really doubt they’ll focus much on who the harpy is if they want to put the battle of meereen in season 5, which can be done without trouble. And what does lady Dustin really add to the plot? btw, I’ve nearly completed a very detailed outline of S5 with AFFC & ADWD fully completed at the end of it. Will share that in some way when it’s finished.

  • Turncloak

    Yeah, it’s definitely not perfect. In situations where GRRM’s kept characters offscreen for a book or more the show tries hard to keep them relevant. It seems they made the choice to create storylines that keep the characters alive and in the viewer’s mind but that can then dovetail into the existing storylines from the books. So in the end the changes make little difference. Theon’s awesome story in ADWD will most likely be very similar to the books, and I would bet Asha/Yara’s will also end up in the same place — losing Kingsmoot, returning to the north, becoming Stannis’ captive

    We’ll never know if it would have worked out better to lose characters and storylines in the show for multiple seasons — they could have cut Jaime from season 2, Theon and Ramsey from season 3, etc. I understand the choice in the case of the Iron Born, especially if they include Vic and Euron. At least there will be some connective tissue in the show, characters we know (Yara) to introduce us to the new characters.

  • Zuleika Robinson for arianne! She was in Rome, Lost and Homeland and is very feisty :) If not Arianne than one of the sand snakes…

  • Janina is free! They’d better cast her for Arianne or Lady Nym. Even GRRM said she looks like a Martell (Nymeria to be exact). Nina Make it happen!

    As for Doran Martell (one of my favorite characters) i have two rather unrealistic suggestions! Omar Sharif or Spiros Focás (known for his role opposite Michael Douglas in The Jewel of the Nile).

    Comments about the suggestions above: Antonia Thomas could pull off swiftly Tyenne Sand but not Arianne! Same goes for Freida Pinto (an ideal Elia Martell for me) As for Doran if i had to choose, then my 12 points go to Alexander Siddig!

  • I wonder if they would consider a Persian actress for Princess Arianne? That painting above, from GRRM’s website when the Arianne chapter was previewed, makes Arianne seem very Persian, not Hispanic, imho. Choices could include Sarah Shahi (Person of Interest), Golshifteh Farahani, or even Nasim Padrad (SNL). Heck, I would even consider Archie Panjabi (British/Indian).

    Arianne reminds me of a mischievous, narcissistic, libidinous Princess Jasmine from the Aladdin movies.

  • When they’re talking about “hard choices”, I think/hope they’re talking about cutting characters like Val, the Kettlebacks, Cersei’s new small council members, Hyle Hunt, Nimble Dick, the Meereeneese councillors, Taena Merryweather, Barbrey Dustin, most of Tyrion’s travelbuddies, Brown Ben Plumm, etc.

    I hope they have one Kettleblack, because that’s all they need; maybe Shavepate and the Green Grace, but just as cameos; and Hyle Hunt would have been nice, but no, they don’t need him. I was hoping that Ellaria Sand would take on Taena’s role, but I’m not sure about that now. I can see Varys, Jon Connington, Young Griff and maybe Septa Lemore traveling with Tyrion, anyone else can just be an extra. Brown Ben Plumm may be important enough by season 6 to include depending on how fast that storyline goes.

  • I think at this point, D&D have to include the Dorne story line because if not they’d be finished with Martin’s material next season. ;)

  • David:
    Zuleika Robinson for arianne! She was in Rome, Lost and Homeland and is very feisty :) If not Arianne than one of the sand snakes…

    I like her a lot and think she’s extremely beautiful but she may be a tad older than the Arianne character now.

  • House Mormont,

    Dude. She hasn’t done anything as Stannis’s prisoner YET. She is still there and a big battle is coming up. Clearly, she’ll have a major role there (the Theon sample chapters makes that very clear). Time will tell what role exactly.

  • Joan Català:
    Dorne is definitely coming:
    http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/21/game-of-thrones-spain/
    Locations in Spain. It has to be Dorne.

    Agree – has to be Dorne. Yea! Of the actors mentioned, I prefer Giancarlo Giannini for Doran. I’m fine with a lesser known actor, too. They did not make an obvious choice with Pedro and he has been the perfect Oberyn.

    There are a lot of possible candidates for Arianne. Nazanin Boniadi is stunning. Does anyone know if she is shooting “Homeland” again this season?

    Since Theon is “dead” to Yara, I am sure that she is headed home and hoping that a political battle with Uncles Euron and Victarion will follow. Bring on the Kingsmoot!

  • I’m curious do people think Cotter Pyke and Mallister will be cut, depending on the happenings at the Wall by the end of the season?

  • Turncloak,

    Blasphemy. Alfie is a perfect Theon (in acting, if not looks).

    Dutch maester,

    The battle of Meereen happening in season 5 is actually quite problematic- it forces a bunch of arcs to move really quickly, losing substance and smothering the season with their scenes. There are too many storylines to follow without the added Tyrion, Barristan, Victarion, Quentyn and Daenerys chapters post-Daznak Pit. I’d rather they rush Dany’s TWOW storyline in season 6 than EVERY OTHER storyline in season 5 (which would have to happen to allow the battle of Meereen to be episode 9). I understand that some people don’t see how a big battle can happen early in season 6, but D&D have broken molds before (it could be the equivalent to The Lion and the Rose as an early bang).

  • House Mormont:
    We’ve also had two golden company name drops, and what was the point in Yara’s field trip if not to build up to something and make us like her?

    we’ll just have to see, if stannis gets to the wall no problem without running into her, and we dont see her again in S4, then I think we will get the kingsmoot. Many think her attempt to break out theon was in order to place her perfectly for a premature capture by Stannis this season as he sails up north, avoiding the entire kingsmoot storyline but keeping Yara. I’m hoping thats not why they did it, but given the fact that 93 ships have been captured by Danaerys in the bay of Meereen which weren’t there in the books, its possible that is a substitute for the Iron Fleet currently sailing for slavers bay.
    I’m a big fan of Alexander Siddig for Doran (partly cos i cant think/ dont know of any better candidates)but since when does being 63 mean your ideal age for Doran? (Naseeruddin Shah)Books Doran is early 50s (wiki says 52 but those are just rough guesses) he’s younger than Tywin.If they age him up by three years as per usual, we’re looking at a guy in his mid 50s, Siddig is 48, which is probably closer to Doran’s show age than 63, and as you said Oberyn is 10 years younger, and he looks 40 tops in the show, so he would be more or less dead on the right age for Oberyn. No way would I believe a 63 year old is Oberyn’s brother, even if he’s quite a bit older.
    As for Arianne, I like Moreno or Gavankar especially, though I cant say I’ve seen any of those candidates in anything (except maybe Freida Pinto)

  • cheapstare:
    Giancarlo Giannini for Doran would be a perfect choice.

    https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/994264_714115195281530_948120936_n.jpg

    Martin himself has said that Dornishmen look “Mediterranean in appearance: Greek, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese”

    Giancarlo Giannini would be perfect. that’s never gonna happen, of course, but it would be the greatest casting ever.

    Arianne, on the other hand, could be a surprise. D&D could even decide to ‘trasform’ her ethnicity in whatever they think is better, changing the origin and ethnicity of Lady Mellario. sooo.. Lily Cole as Arianne? :D

  • Arianne Martel- put Alexandra daddario in a tanning bed and get her to speak with a Spanish accent. Ok I’m kidding but after seeing her in True Detective what straight male or gay lady wouldn’t want to see her in another sexual role

  • Dutch maester,

    Oh Barbrey Dustin is completely unnecessary and will prrroooobably be cut, I just really liked her, it worked well for Theon to have someone to talk to that wasn’t Ramsay, and her being basically the Lady of the Barrows and the Rills and the only reason Roose has any muscle in the North was cool, and her character reminded me of Johnny Soprano’s ex lover who Tony meets once

    The Green Grace however would add something to the plot. Since Dany’s arc is her becoming a better ruler, and the two problems are Slaver’s Bay revolting and the Sons of the Harpy within the city. It’d be good character progress for Dany to make her alliance with Galazza Gallare and marry Hizdahr to get peace within the city as in the books, but it’d look even better if she saw that the Green Grace was a true power in the city and sought her out

  • is Zulaikha Robinson too old for Arianne? i think she might fit the role perfectly.

  • Pedro is Latin and you post all Anglo actresses with exception of Catalina, shame.

    Freida would be a strong choice but the role might be too small, depending on how D&D want to cover the Dornish arc.

    Catalina gets my vote because she’s the only true Latina on this list, my thought is since Pedro is Latin, they will chose a Latin Arianne.

    After the two above, unless someone knows the work of any other Latina actresses, my vote goes for Lourdes Leon, her father is Cuban and of course her mom’s you know who. She has the Latin appearance and is very sexy and beautiful, most of her pics are fun poses, but she has a few glamour sexy shots. They should at least bring her in for a screen test. She does look a lot like my mind’s eye image of the princess from the books and she is 22-23.

  • Oh man D&D got to cast a female actress that has the same qualities as Pedro…

    She has to be sexy in demeanor and have some sexy curves…

    Can’t wait to see who they get!

  • House Mormont:
    Dutch maester,
    Oh Barbrey Dustin is completely unnecessary and will prrroooobably be cut, I just really liked her, it worked well for Theon to have someone to talk to that wasn’t Ramsay…

    I think Lady Dustin will betray Roose & Ramsay and kill one of them (or set them up to be killed)…..just sayin’….

  • NomadicDirewolf,

    I always hoped that she’d meet Euron on her way or her way back, but casting season came and went and nope :(
    I also thought she could take Vic’s place but Meereen’s navy (why didn’t they have one in the books exactly? It’s a big city on a bay?) removes that possibility

    Probably just going to line up with the books

    OT: did anyone watch the last Mad Men? It was the best episode since Season 5!

  • Michael Wincott for Doran Martell. Any other suggestion is wrong, unless of course you’re saving him for the role of Euron Greyjoy. That would be okay too.

  • Hodor’s Bastard:

    I think Lady Dustin will betray Roose & Ramsay and kill one of them (or set them up to be killed)…..just sayin’….

    I like Lady Dustin and hope she makes the cut.

    House Mormont:

    OT: did anyone watch the last Mad Men? It was the best episode since Season 5!

    OT response: yes, the best episode in a very long time.

  • The first time I read a Dorne chapter, I pictured Edward James Olmos as Doran. Of course, I trust Nina Gold, but that’s just always the man I’ve pictured. I know he may be “older” than what GRRM describes in the book, and could possibly pass as Overyn’s father instead of brother, but he just kicks so much ass.

    The chick from True Blood would be amazing, she is beautiful and has chops.

    I’m just happy Dorne is happening!

  • mariamb,

    Good call with Nazanin Boniadi, but as OitF stated, she is turning heads these days. Scandal has her as well.

  • Great guesses. GoT’s track record seems to be casting lesser-known actors for characters in their 20s/30s and under, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see an unknown or someone like Antonia (given Iwan’s casting…)

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    I was unaware that she is on Scandal when I mentioned her. GOT’s loss but good for her that she is getting the attention that she deserves.

    House Mormont:
    mariamb,

    The last shot was geeeeenius, it’ll be a tough emmy between Breaking Bad, Mad Men and this

    Yes, genius. I was smiling thru out the entire episode. Emmys will be very competitive this year. True Detective is in the mix, as well.

  • when reading, I pictured Arianne as Morena Baccarin. With her long hair from Firefly instead of the pixie cut from Homeland.

  • I always thought Ciaran Hinds was well-suited for Doran, but alas!

    Doran: Sergio Castellitto. He is 60, well-tenured and not super well-known. Italian accent could easily match what Pedro Pascal is doing now. I think Castellitto has a sort of calm, reserved look to him that would work very well with Doran’s personality.

    Arianne: Always imagined her like Turkish actress Tuba Buyukustun.

  • Dutch maester,

    ooh that would be good, I never thought of that, I’m excited for him actually getting scenes in season 5

    and yeah, but it only makes narrative sense that if you include a terrorist/anarchist group called the Sons of the Harpy who have an unnamed leader, that you unveil who the Harpy is, to close the mystery. And Dany mentioned the “revenge killings” to Daario last ep, although that is neither a positive or negative sign.

  • mariamb,

    True Detective will be in the miniseries category with American Horror Story though, or so I’ve been told, but they have a verrrry good shot in that category, AHS had too many plot holes to count

  • I’d like to see Irrfan Khan as Doran. He’s the right age and a tremendous actor, and has been on HBO before (In Treatment). While he keeps busy the role is small enough, yet high profile enough that he might be a realistic get.

  • Alfred Molina for Doran Martell. That, or just go with unknowns. I have faith after the home run casting choice of Pedro Pascal.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Alfred Molina for Doran Martell. That, or just go with unknowns. I have faith after the home run casting choice of Pedro Pascal.

    Holy crap, I’ve followed Doran casting speculation for awhile and I’ve never thought about Alfred Molina. He’s ridiculously awesome. Just rewatched Boogie Nights, his one scene is classic. The guy can do anything, talk about range.

  • They need a beautiful curvy woman for Arianne like Monica Belucci http://copingkoala.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/monica-bellucci4.jpg
    She’s too old for the role now but someone who looks like that should be cast for Arianne.
    Most of these choices are too skinny. Lena and Carice are very pretty but both Cersei and Melisandre are described as curvy and they are not. For once I would like them cast a curvy woman for a role that is described as such.

  • I’m more interested in casting the Manderly. Wyman and Wylla. I can forgive “only Cat” and I can forgive “I only rescue maidens”, but this show is dead to me if they cut Wylla and her speech.

  • Phil:
    when reading, I pictured Arianne as Morena Baccarin.With her long hair from Firefly instead of the pixie cut from Homeland.

    I could live with that.

    How about Tony Amendola for Doran?

    And while I’m not sure she’s totally right for the role I believe Cote de Pablo is a fan of the show and wouldn’t be surprised if she went for the part of Arianne.

  • I vote they cast me for Arianne. My look is close enough.

    Joking. Well, half-joking.

    Let a girl dream, dammit.

  • I’ve always pictured Alfred Molina as Doran Martell when reading the books. I’m sure whoever they pick will be good, Pedro Pascall certainly was/is!!!

  • Sunfyre: Holy crap, I’ve followed Doran casting speculation for awhile and I’ve never thought about Alfred Molina.He’s ridiculously awesome.Just rewatched Boogie Nights, his one scene is classic.The guy can do anything, talk about range.

    YES!!!! See my above post!!! I’ve always pictured Molina in the role….

  • SusieQ: YES!!!!See my above post!!!I’ve always pictured Molina in the role….

    Yeah, he’s now at the top of my list, tied with EJO. A former coworker in LA knew Alfred Molina, or Freddie as he called him. Said he was a genuinely sweet and humble guy.

  • Flay Ramsay:
    Arianne:

    All of these actresses are too old! She’s supposed to be 24. I like Annet Mahendru for Arianne:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3393732/?ref_=tt_cl_t6

    Some of them are a couple years older than 24. I don’t see how 27/28 is suddenly old. And it’s all relative to the casting of the show, not the books.

    The most significant point, I think, is how old they’ve been casting the people in Arianne’s generation. Particularly Viserys. She was secretly supposed to be married to him, so her age should most likely be in his range. Harry Lloyd is 30. Arianne’s age would be in that ballpark, but a little younger.

  • Not mad about the choices for Doran :/ Alexander & Demian are too young. Edward is too Mexican-señor(and that is not a race comment. All I’m saying is that I see him and I immediately picture him as a retired member of a pan-flute band. Not really the image I associate with Doran Martell. That’s just the picture I have in my head for that actor, based on the previous work I’ve seen him in. Don’t jump down my throat). I’ve seen Erick Avari act the emotions he would need for Doran and I didn’t like his approach very much. Not familiar with Naseeruddin Shah but he looks intereting :) A definite option.

  • Mr. Lemoncloak:
    is Zulaikha Robinson too old for Arianne? i think she might fit the role perfectly.

    Definitely a long mentioned favourite from past archives, maybe better suited for the role as well. I’d like to see Robinson or Necar Zadegan on that short list. Ours is the Fury’s list of actresses may end up on the short list, but I hope not, especially TrueBlood’s Janina. Janina’s an okay actress, just too mellow for Arianne’s headstrong personality. On the other hand, these are professionals so I’m sure they’ll do their best. When it calls for rising above a badly written script, however, it’s best to go with a stronger actress.

    Arianne Martell’s character is as tenacious as her uncle Oberyn, and a playful sexy Disney-esque Princess
    Jasmine. If all else fails, actress Lynn Collins could own this role. She was great in ” John Carter “.

    I know it’s a long shot, but actress Shoreh Aghdashloo would be excellent as the Green Grace , alongside Danerys, or at least a write in for a woman of substance in Dorne. She might be considered as a mentor for Arianne’s sisters.

    Either actor Alexander Siddig or Naseerudin Shah are high on my list for long demonstrated talent, however Mexican born Bichir could pull off the role with some cosmetic augmentation. I ‘ve learned that GianCarlo Esposito is no longer linked to the television series ” Revolution “, but it seems unlikely that my first choice for Doran Martell would be on a short list. I’m surprised Ours is the Fury didn’t mention actor Alfred Molina.

    Much depends on the redefined roles for these characters. The show runners may have something entirely different in mind than readers do. I can’t wait to see what they’ve come up with.

    I’ll check back later to see how badly I’ve worded this….. after the SPAM filter cleaning $%#&@!

  • I always thought Ariane was early 20s? These are all a bit too old. Though like with Margaery that’s of course nothing that will stop them…
    I certainly dont want Gavankar within a thousand miles of this show.
    Saw Antonia on Misfits she’s a great actress but i am not sure if she has the right looks. Pinto wont do the nudity for sure but would otherwise be perfect. My personal favorite would be Nina Dobrev but apparently there is one more season of Vampire Diaries so that’s not possible…
    Ethnically i’d prefer Latin over Indian personally though Arab would be good too. (or well… Bulgarian)

    Siddig would be perfect for Doran i agree.

  • Janina Gavankar would be an EXCELLENT choice for Arianne :D I’d also suggest Felisha Terrell but she’s about 10 years too old to play Arianne. What about Angel Coulby from Merlin?

    Joe Mantegna would be an interesting Doran if he wasn’t on Criminal Minds. A ruffled up Ian McShane or Martin Sheen would be cool(even though all I’d be able to think about is Bartlett). It depends on how attached people are to having the actor look like the older brother of Pedro Pascal :/

  • Personally my favourite for Doran is David Suchet, even though he is a little older. He would be amazing. As for Arianne, it would probably be best to choose someone relatively unknown, particularly with where her storyline goes

  • Isabelle,

    Both these lovely ladies have been mentioned in various web lists for Top Ten Iranian Actresses. I reviewed their profiles, which included very PG stuff, but I am really not familiar with their strengths. Thanks for putting their links here ( :

  • I like when D&D just prove people wrong when most were talking about Dorne and Iron Islands being cut. I’d like to see all these actors mentioned not make the cut and someone unexpected be chosen just like Pedro Pascal.

  • I am more interested in the Greyjoys they are the loony spunk of the next two books …

  • Dream cast for these two is definitely Alfred Molina for Doran & Morena Baccarin for Arianne. I love Alexander Siddig but he looks to young (even though he’s older than Pedro he just seems to young to me) I know they will do a great job casting whom ever but I am really hoping for these two as they are two of my favorite characters. I also really hope they include Areo Hotah but I don’t have a preference for him.

  • Dutch maester: I agree, given all sorts of hints this season I’m fairly certain we’ll see the major characters from both Dorne and the Irons Islands. When they’re talking about “hard choices”, I think/hope they’re talking about cutting characters like Val, the Kettlebacks, Cersei’s new small council members, Hyle Hunt, Nimble Dick, the Meereeneese councillors, Taena Merryweather, Barbrey Dustin, most of Tyrion’s travelbuddies, Brown Ben Plumm, etc.

    Also, talking about Season 5 makes me very happy!!!!

    Same here!
    Going through your list I think:
    Val – gone
    Kettleblacks – maybe, MAYBE one, but I still think Meryn Trant could serve the role.
    Cersei’s small council – maybe one.
    Hyle Hunt – he’s probably toast
    Nimble Dick – it was never happening anyway
    The Meereeneese councilors – I think we get the Green Grace and the Shavepate, and Reznak goes
    Taena -maybe. Maybe. But she’s easily cut.
    Barbary Dustin – gone. I don’t see the point.
    Tyrion’s travelbuddies – We keep Griff and Young Griff and Septa Lemore, and lose the rest.
    Brown Ben – could be kept.

    Here’s my fan-crazy theory for Season 5 though: we *will* get Strong Belwas. Hear me out here: Given that Dany’s plot is going to have to focus on the politics of Meereen and her ability to know her subjects, she’ll have to contend with the pit fighting. It’s a perfect opportunity to introduce him to speak on behalf of the fighters. We then get him later in season fighting and his win makes him an honored guest of the Mother of Dragons…a perfect opportunity to snack on some locusts…

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Alfred Molina for Doran Martell. That, or just go with unknowns. I have faith after the home run casting choice of Pedro Pascal.

    I’d go with that. I don’t see Damien Bichir, who is too contemporary looking for my tastes for this part.

  • A while back I saw someone (on Tumblr, I think) who wanted Kim Kardashian to play Arianne Martell and I threw up in my mouth more than a little bit.

  • I always pictured EJO as Doran, but everyone has made so many interesting suggestions that I could also see in the role.
    As for Arianne, I’ll also bet that Nina Gold et al will choose a young unknown. But she will need to be a great beauty (I also hope that she is “curvy” as someone above mentioned) as well as a great actress. It seems from the advance WoW chapter that Arianne has more to do in the story, so she’ll need to be up to the tasks ahead.
    I trust that the casting folks on this show know what they are doing, so I can’t wait to see who aces their auditions. I’m just over the moon that Dorne is IN!!!

  • Genesis Rodriguez looks great for Arianne but i haven’t seen enough of her to call her a great actress.

  • Sunfyre,

    Yara thinking Theon is dead along with everyone else on the Iron Islands lead her to assume what she believed to be her right as heir in the books. Actually physically seeing Theon and knowing he is alive shouldn’t give her more conviction in her claim. By staking her claim at the Kingsmoot she is in effect disowning him and giving up on him. In season 2, she gave Theon an emotional plea to not die in the north and now she just gave up on him because of a terribly embellished story arc. That unfortunate scene was way out of tune with who her character is. It might not be as bad as the Craster’s Keep debacle but it was bad writing.

  • omar sharif

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001725/?ref_=nv_sr_1

    That’s way too much of an age gap between Oberyn and Doran.

    I’ve been saying Demian Bichir for Doran ever since I saw The Bridge last year. I’m glad someone agrees with me.

    And it’s a bit of a shot in the dark since I’m not overly familiar with her acting, but I’d at least audition Rhiannon Fish, based on her looks alone: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/74/71/24/7471244ef56d94964d0836226ec7e129.jpg

  • I have always imagined John Hurt as Doran, he has the gravitas for the role and a subtle demeanor. Can you imagine an actor of his caliber working on this show? It would be fabulous!

  • I’m aware that most would consider her too old, but I, for one, would nominate Sara Ramirez as Arianne Martell. Hear me out. Arianne Martell is described as buxom and beautiful and sometimes a bit of a firecracker. Senora Ramirez can do this perfectly, as we fans of Grey’s Anatomy know.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0708381/

    Either her or Zuleikha Robinson would be my choice.

  • Even though I think she is incredibly beautiful, I know she is now too old for this character. When I read the books a while back, in my mind Arianne looked like Cote de Pablo. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1580243/ I hope they find a early 20ish looking version.

    EJO for Doran all the way!!!

  • Not to rain on anyone’s parade, but based on previous such posts on WiC, it’s safe to say none of the actors listed in that post will be the ones that end up being cast…. right? ;)

  • there are a lot of good bollywood choices for Arianne but i doubt they will sign a nude contract.

    Leila Bekhti would be a really good Arianne.

    so are the Dornish southern euro or north african. i mean pedro is a latino and indira is indian-brit. and the Dornish costumes looks very middle-eastern .

  • Harrold Hardyng:
    Sunfyre,

    Yara thinking Theon is dead along with everyone else on the Iron Islands lead her to assume what she believed to be her right as heir in the books. Actually physically seeing Theon and knowing he is alive shouldn’t give her more conviction in her claim. By staking her claim at the Kingsmoot she is in effect disowning him and giving up on him. In season 2, shegave Theon an emotional plea to not die in the north and now she just gave up on him because of a terribly embellished story arc. That unfortunate scene was way out of tune with who her character is. It might not be as bad as the Craster’s Keep debacle but it was bad writing.

    Agree to disagree. She tried to bring him back. She fucking sailed around a continent and stormed a castle to save him. I feel for her. She actually tried. Maybe you’d rather she commit suicide to prove that she wouldn’t give up on her brother but I respect her for making the attempt. And I like that she chose to live to fight another day…

    Maybe the honorable thing to have done in that situation would have been to kill Theon herself. But either she couldn’t bring herself to do it or she didn’t have the opportunity. For all intents and purposes Theon is gone.

    Also I think there’s something to be said for D&D to leave places for relationships to go in the future. By leaving Theon there it leaves it open for Yara to feel guilt and unresolved issues in regards to Theon. That’s good writing, good storytelling. I can see the scene right now when she is reunited with Theon — the dialogue writes itself — “I was wrong about you Theon. I gave up on you. Forgive me brother.” That tension is a perfectly valid reason to leave the story thread hanging now in season 4 because you know there will be unfinished business to resolve in season 5 or 6. That’s good adaptation. You want conflict, you want unresolved tension, you want places to take characters. D & D made damn good choices here. I wish the execution of Yara’s rescue attempt (the way it was shot, how quickly it went bad, etc.) had been executed better. But the intention was valid and strong from the standpoint of adaptation.

  • Why does it have to be middle eastern and spanish looking people only. In the graphic novels some of the Dornish are White too. I think they should cast anyone as long as they play the role perfectly, and not cast characters by how they should look.

  • I have never heard of 90% of the names suggested here. where do people come up with these names? google search for latin American, indian or Mediterranean actress? don’t watch THAT much tv right?

    al I know is I am rarely disappointed by a casting choice, can’t get married to any one idea since I don’t know who any of them are!

    to be honest, the aspect of dorne that I am most excited to see is the water gardens, should be visually stunning. I am probably more chubby to see that than I am to see Arianne in the nude…

  • One thing that people need to keep in mind is that the show casts 95% of roles with actors from the UK. (for good reason – Dinklage’s accent is not his strong suit)

    So this automatically eliminates most suggestions, even if they may go outside of the usual pool slightly for the Martells.

  • Ser Pounce:
    Why does it have to be middle eastern and spanish looking people only. In the graphic novels some of the Dornish are White too. I think they should cast anyone as long as they play the role perfectly, and not cast characters by how they should look.

    I don’t know why a diverse cast bothers you but get over it. Most of the cast is already white, there’s no reason white actors are any better than POC for the roles and hiring a white actor would mean the show would have to take time out to describe sandy, salty, and stony Dornish.

  • House Mormont:
    mariamb,

    True Detective will be in the miniseries category with American Horror Story though, or so I’ve been told, but they have a verrrry good shot in that category, AHS had too many plot holes to count

    Um what? True detective has been registered by HBO for best drama. Which is why fx bitched about it. They felt an 8 episode show with changing casts every year shouldn’t merit being in the best drama nomination

  • 90% of the names suggested here are people I have never heard of. where do people get these names? I swear it’s a google search for latin American, indian or middle eastern actors/actresses, followed by a statement of so-and-so is perfect for the role, I have been following them forever (meaning I just did a random search and picked this name out of a hat) people can’t watch THAT much tv right?

    honestly, the aspect of dorne I am most excited for is the water gardens, should be visually stunning. I think I will get chubbier for that than I will for Arianne in the nude…

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I don’t have a problem with a diverse cast, I just have a problem with actors that suck. They can cast whoever they want as long as they are as good as Pedro and Indira portraying a whole new culture. Most of all I don’t like actors from the CW network shows.

  • Paola Turbay as Arianne. Shes a bit old for th role but then again look at Mel. Shes such a fiery hot Latina and she was in True Blood. For Doran Javier Bardem would be a dream come true

  • am I crazy, or did we have this EXACT SAME conversation one year ago? then pedro was cast and people went monkeypoo because he didn’t look the part. now people will go monkeypoo if the rest of the dorne cast doesn’t look like him. wtf. I am confused.

    also, I believe most people on film can act. but bad editing can make the best actor look bad. am I right?

    finally, doran and oberyn are princes, where the heck is the king?

  • All great suggestions. I really like the idea of a big name for Doran. The ladies above are all awesome, and would make great SandSnakes. I can totally see Tatiana Maslany as Nymeria. :-) But for Arianne, I am STILL carrying the torch for Clara Lago. She has always been the perfect Arianne for me. ♥ No links, Google the name, and you tell me. :-)

    The North Remembers…;-)

  • Ser Pounce,

    The actors being discussed don’t suck though. If you have suggestions you think are better, make them. Your posts are giving me serious racist dog whistle vibes because you complained about the ethnicities of the actors everyone is suggesting. You are implying that a WASP actor is inherently best for the job and all the Middle Eastern, Asian or Southern European actors “suck.” Why else would you have even brought it up?

    No, they don’t need to limit themselves to casting people of any one ethnicity, but they do need to hire actors who look plausibly like they could be related to Pedro Pascal. It wouldn’t make sense to hire someone Waspy or Nordic looking. That’s why I’m side eyeing your comments here.

  • Ours is the Fury,
    Yes! For a long time I’ve hoped for Nazanin Boniandi, she’s really a great actress. Antonia Thomas will be just as good though, she’s likely to be cast if you ask me.

  • outdoorcats,

    I could not agree more!
    I’ve been promoting Homayoun Ershadi as Doran for a couple years now.

    He has the right look and feeling to him, can certainly act, and has connections to D&D having acted in the movie Beinoff wrote the screenplay for, The Kite Runner.

    While I think of that movie, how perfect would Shaun Toub be for Reznak mo Reznak? XD

    Back to Doran…
    Another actor I can totally see in the role is the Romanian actor Marcel Iures. Alon Aboutboul as well.

    Arianne is one the more difficult castings for me personally. I can see them going a number of ways with the character and quite a number of actresses could do well.

    I always pictured someone who looks like Emmanuelle Chriqui or Francia Raisa, but I do not see either actress being cast for the role. In my mind the two frontrunners for the past couple years have been Aiysha Hart or Amber Rose Revah, but no one has hit me as the perfect Arianne if I am honest.

  • F. Murray Abraham is the only Doran Martell:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000719/

    He played Dar Adal in Homeland, Louis CK’s mysterious Mexican uncle in Louie, among a number of other roles, and he’s always great.

    The campaign for Abraham starts here, and it starts now.

  • House Mormont,

    Shohreh Aghdashloo for the Green Grace!

    She is not quite as old as I read the character, but she can be aged with makeup easily enough and she can act.

  • Flay Ramsay,

    Most of the characters have been aged up a fair amount compared to their book counterparts though… I don’t think we need an actress in her early 20s necessarily…

    That said, I like the idea of Annet Mahendru!
    She has been fun on The Americans and in the handful of smaller roles I’ve caught…

  • Rebecca,

    Interesting!
    She certainly looks the part, but I have only seen her in comedies, never a drama. Not saying she cannot do drama of course! XD

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I’ve never seen any of these actors except for that girl from Immortals which was a pretty okay movie. I am far from racist I’m an islander from Guam and I never blame white people for destroying our culture and americanizing our islands. I’m pretty sure most of these other actors are in really good tv shows but there is always someone better and they won’t be ethnic enough.

  • Lars,

    WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
    Often times meant as more of an insult than just a neutral description.

  • Lars,

    WASP is an abbreviation for White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. I don’t know why you would call someone a WASP actor.

  • I know she’s a bit too old for the character but I’ve always pictured Paula Patton as Princess Arianne while reading the books. That woman is hot! :)

  • mariamb,

    Your Doran suggestion is the first that LOOKED right to me. Haven’t ever seen him act, but if you vouch for him I can get on that. We just need someone to perfect the sad smile, that’s all.

    As for your Arianne, I think we need someone more sexy than beautiful. More curvy. Also, someone willing to go naked. I’m really hoping she’ll be the hottest madam in GOT (though it would be hard beating Emilia after that dress).

  • Phil,

    I just hate her so much in Homeland. It would kill Dorne for me if she’s cast, lol. Also, she is way too old, ain’t she?

  • johnnytata:
    90% of the names suggested here are people I have never heard of.where do people get these names?I swear it’s a google search for latin American, indian or middle eastern actors/actresses,

    :)
    Here’s my random Adrianne search of the evening, with startling results: Hadeel Sittu. There’s my Adrianne!

    Regarding conversation revisitation from your other post, I totally expect that we rehash convos regularly. Almost every day, someone brings up a point that was discussed a few days or a few weeks back, and the same conversation is had over again. It’s almost like Groundhog Day here sometimes, especially since the posting format doesn’t have an established forum.

    I fully trust that we’ll get a satisfying Arianne. However, I am concerned about Val and Shitmouth.

  • MRR:
    jom,

    Nah, I’m pretty sure the line is: Edward James Olmos for Doran. So say we all!

    Edward James Olmos for Doran. That is just so say we all?

    And Janina Gavankar.

  • jentario:
    Phil,
    I just hate her so much in Homeland. It would kill Dorne for me if she’s cast, lol. Also, she is way too old, ain’t she?

    Anyone who was part of Firefly gets a free pass in my mind. :)
    That was a great but sadly overlooked show.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    I’m with you here. The pilot (can’t temember his name, it’s been years… I’ve considered for JonCon, if only he could get more stern.

    Can we get Rock the Casbah for the Dorne motif!

    Arthur, the GOT football team kicks ass. Ya know defense wins championships…. And that D is scary good!

  • I’ve only just heard of this EJ Olmos fellow. Just saw an interview with him. I think he could work as Prince Doran… Perhaps. With a few prosthetics to make him look gouty…

  • What about Quentyn. WHAT ABOUT QUENTYN!

    But yeah I really hope we get all the Martells and a couple of sand snakes and I really hope we get Aimee Richardson back as Myrcella – I think she could be a new fan favourite – badass little princess.

    I think Arianne could be great if they get her right – they would have to find the perfect actress. She needs to be sexy but not just sexy – a bit dangerous and wild but also clever and ambitious and idealistic and a bit ruthless even. She needs to be a very rounded character not just “that hot one”. The female triumvirate of Cersei, Margaery and Arianne should be very interesting for season 5.

  • House Mormont,

    Barristan could arrest Hizdahr as the harpy just before the battle of Meereen (doesn’t matter whether he truly is the harpy or not.) But I think her season will focus on Hizdahr promising to stop the attack, Daario betraying Dany after she decides to marry Hizdahr (the Second Sons join Yunkai and Daario picks up Tyrion/Jorah at the slaver’s auction, replacing Brown Ben)and Quentyn’s arrival, before Dragon pit (E7), freeing the dragons/arresting Hizdahr (E8) and Battle of Meereen (E9)

  • Gief full Martell setup with Darkstar, Arys Oakheart, Area Hotah, and 8 sand snakes pleeeease. And no recasting Mycella!

  • The first suggestion for each character posited by this article is exactly what I picture in my head when reading “A Feast for Crows”. Alexander Siddig is an AMAZING actor and Janina Gavankar would be great too (and she was in True Blood for a few seasons so she is someone already known to HBO).

  • cheapstare,

    Being “mediterranic” doesn’t mean a thing… we have all types of people, covering the entire spectral range of skin color and races.

    Take Diogo Morgado, the most recent Jesus incarnation on TV, Portuguese… does he seems “mediterranic”?

  • Edward James Olmos and Janina Gavankar are my prefered options but Alexander Siddig and Freida Pinto are also very good options I think. The Dornish storyline is probably my least favourite of all the storylines in the books. (funnilly enough Brienne’s arc from the same book is my favourite) But with the right actors I see david and Dan turning it into something very good. As long as they don’t stick too closely to the book there. (no soiled kinght please)

  • And she is the queen more beautiful than Cersei, who will bring her down, as Aegon’s wife, in my opinion.

    I hope you are on the wrong path and the one to do that task has been there since episode one and likes playing with fire:)

  • Greatjon of Slumber,

    I’d be quite surprised and disappointed if Val was cut, but it’s been mentioned so frequently on this site that I’m beginning to think I overestimated her importance in the books. She was so prominent in Jon’s story that I really thought GRRM was heading towards a relationship between them, which wasn’t something I was opposed to (or overly attached; if it happens it happens). Perhaps I misread this, but I also wouldn’t have thought D&D would pass up the opportunity to have another beautiful, strong-willed woman on the show. Particularly one who is presumably as unconcerned about her “femaleness” as Ygritte was, and could therefore allow for some sexposition (bad word: by this I mean naked exposition rather than actual sex, similar to Mel/Selyse last episode). Although I guess Arianne and Melisandre will fulfil that role.

    On topic: Danny Trejo for someone! Anyone! With a knife!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doVYFjIJcfU

  • What about the sand snakes? I would love for Jennifer Lawrence to play Nym. Damn, that’d be too awesome…

  • Joaquim de Almeida for Doran. Ian McShane might work, but he seems to me like a total opposite – Doran is 50, but looks much older and weaker, McShane is 70, but still looks ready for ass-kicking. But they’re gonna cast someone from Suriname for all I know.

  • Doran is unimportant, he has a small and undemanding role, if he manages to deliver well the line from The Princess in the Tower it’s enough. On the other hand, Arianne Martell is essential to the story, and probably even more in the coming books. None of the 5 listed is suited to the role.

  • Ah, some things never change – still as funny as ever to read people’s suggestions, knowing fully well that Nina almost always finds gold where none of us expected it :-)

    Personally I’d be happy if she goes for an all-Spanish Dorne cast (which is not unrealistic at all considering the plans to go film in Spain). There’s a good movie scene in Spain, so I expect there’s a lot of talent out there that we have never heard of. (the same goes for South-America of course) But in case some Asian(-descended) actors are cast, as often suggested above, I’m sure the costumes and (acted) accents will make everything look consistent as well.

    Final note: Pinto looks much much much to sweet to play Arianne, and I’ll bet anybody for my house that there’s no chance at all she’ll be cast for this role! (btw, I don’t actually own a house…)

  • The only potential Ariannes [that Ours is the Fury mentions] that I have seen acting are Freida Pinto and Amber Rose Revah. They are both handsome and can both act. Amber Rose Revah was very good in “What Remains” last year though she may be a tad slender. Indira Varma (Ellaria) was in it too playing a very different character to the one she plays in GoT. I can’t think offhand of an actress who ticks all the boxes for Arianne, i.e. dark, small and curvy and young. I keep trying to think of someone who looks like Cleo Rocas did in “The Kenny Everett Show” (that’s only going to make sense to British people who were around in the eighties) or Francesca Gonshaw (“Howard’s Way”) but those shows were both 30 years ago. Somebody mentioned Cote de Pabla and she does have an exotic look about her – would she do another TV series (I read somewhere that she left NCIS because she wanted to make movies)? Other random actresses I can think of with an exotic factor are America Ferrara (my understanding is she is attractive in real life when she’s not done up as “Ugly Betty”), Vanessa Ferlito who played Aidan in the first series of “CSI New York” and Vanessa Hudgens (though would she be too big a star now?)

    Unfortunately, I have only seen Alexander Siddig out of Ours is the Fury’s suggestions for Doran. He has the acting chops but my understanding is the BBC has commissioned a second series of “Atlantis” (aside, I hope to heck it improves) so he might be busy with that. Samir Boitard http://samirboitard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/biographie.jpg who played Sami in “Engrenages” (“Spiral”) can certainly act but I don’t know how good his command of English is and he might be a bit young to be Oberyn’s elder brother as might Mark Elliott http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Marc_elliott.jpg/200px-Marc_elliott.jpg though the latter has a good enough command of English.

    Ser Pounce,

    Re: how “ethnic” certain people look, I have met some very Hispanic-looking British and Irish people, not necessarily of mixed-race either. One of my cousins looks Spanish (though she had French ancestry way back on her Dad’s side). A friend’s younger sister looks Spanish too – she was actually born in England but some of her Irish cousins (the Mum is Irish) have the same look. There is a legend that some of the sailors from the Spanish Armada [back in the days of the English Queen Elizabeth I] were wrecked on the west coast of Ireland and interbred with the local girls and hence there are some dark-haired, dark-eyed Irish who get a tan in summer.

  • Fantastic would be Charlie Dagelet as Arianne Martell or one of the sand-snakes. Bonus: since she’s Dutch nudity isn’t a problem.

  • Oh I would love to see Antonia Thomas on GOT! As Arianne or a sandsnake or really anything. A new Myranda for Ramsay.
    I really liked Misfits and we already have Nathalie Emmanuel, Michelle Fairley and Iwan Rheon in the cast.

  • OldeCrone: my understanding is the BBC has commissioned a second series of “Atlantis” (aside, I hope to heck it improves)

    Right, *that*’s where I last saw him! Yeah, I can see why he’s suggested. The writing on that show was really pretty awefull and so I wouldn’t judge anybody there on their acting performances, but from what we’ve seen, I also wouldn’t mind Aiysha Hart being cast as one of the sand snakes. (then again, maybe I’m biased because I find her one of the most strikingly beautiful women I’ve ever seen on tv)

  • OldeCrone: how “ethnic” certain people look

    I see what you say, but it’s not merely looks that count though. For my work I’ve lived in several countries and met lots of people from many more, and what always strikes me is how different people’s mimics are depending on where people are born. I think this partly has to do just with local customs (e.g. the pulling up of one corner of the mouth by Italians), but also with the language spoken (e.g. in case of Spanish-speaking people to produce the ‘lisp’). So, you can have a hispanic looking Brit, but still it will be obvious that this person is not ‘Spanish’. This year, for instance, I found it quite obvious that Pedro Pascal was from direct ‘Hispanic’ decendence (even if he didn’t grow up in Chile where he was born, but likely influenced by his parents), whereas Indira Virma clearly acted to be from the same place (in this case Dorne). Then again, I don’t think I would have had the same ideas about this had I not went on to work internationally, so for most viewers this is probably all a non-issue.

    (PS: for the sake of making a point I heavily generalized here, but I definitely didn’t want to offend anybody – we are all different, and let’s thank the Seven for that or what a boring place this would be!)

  • Ours is the Fury

    Some of them are a couple years older than 24. I don’t see how 27/28 is suddenly old. And it’s all relative to the casting of the show, not the books.

    I realize that the younger characters have been aged up due to the mature situations/suitability for television. But I don’t see this as a pattern that needs repeating for the twenty somethings. I especially don’t see Arianne and the Sand Snakes as fully mature individuals. I’ve always seen their brash, reactionary behaviour as that of a late teen/early twenties woman child. Besides I didn’t think Harry Lloyd looked 30.

    Totally digging Aimee Garcia as Arianne though, good one, didn’t even consider Dexter, she was great. But Annet Mahandru has such sex appeal, you can’t take your eyes off her.

    I thought about Alfred Molina as well for Doran but not sure he’s deep & reflective enough.

  • Mescalinic,

    Giannini played the Emperor in the Dune miniseries, he can’t be above Game of Thrones! :D
    But it’s true, it’ll never happen, simply because it is too perfect to happen.

  • Tar Kidho:

    (PS: for the sake of making a point I heavily generalized here, but I definitely didn’t want to offend anybody – we are all different, and let’s thank the Seven for that or what a boring place this would be!)

    Don’t worry unduly Tar Kidho. I don’t take offence with people having an opinion that differs from mine, provided they are not unduly discourteous when doing so and don’t have a problem with criticism per se provided it is constructive criticism. So far I have only been “trolled” once – at least in a nasty way – on WiC but fortunately I have a fairly thick skin. I did have people point out a couple of mistakes I made on another thread recently – didn’t I, Ms A Snow? But that wasn’t done maliciously and I had made the “bloopers” referred. Incidentally I’m trying to learn Spanish at the moment and many of the people in the class have trouble with the lisp (actually some of us go with the Latin American pronunciation (i.e. “sinco” for “cinco” rather than “thinco”). Our teacher picks us up if we say anything like “Tengoe un gatoe” for “tengo un gato” though; he is keen on us saying “o” as in orange rather than “oh” as in “toe”. I’ve a feeling Indira Varma had one parent who was from Switzerland though it’s true her formative years were spent in the UK; I don’t know whether that parent was from the Italian speaking part of Switzerland though, or one of the French or German cantons.

  • WildSeed:

    Both these lovely ladies have been mentioned in various web lists for Top Ten Iranian Actresses. I reviewed their profiles, which included very PG stuff, but I am really not familiar with their strengths. Thanks for putting their links here ( :

    Honestly, I’m not too sure of their strengths either. My image of Arianne is of a really vivacious, curvy beauty, so I thought “Bollywood” and literally searched for “Bollywood actresses who can act”! : ) Both these names popped up on one of the first lists, along with their images.

    Acting ability aside, the subject matter would be problematic for any actress who’s also interested in maintaining a career in the mainstream Bollywood or Middle Eastern film world: risqué stuff is still basically taboo if my understanding is correct? Still, food (and images) for thought! Thanks for the reply!

  • At around the time of the “B Monkey” film Asia Argento would have made a good Sand Snake http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000782/ [though the imdb photo doesn’t really do her justice]. The age thing kicks in now, though she is in very good fettle for her age. It would be great if she could play a cameo, an Essene or Dornish noblewoman, but I don’t think it’s very likely.

    Tar Kidho: . The writing on that show was really pretty awefull and so I wouldn’t judge anybody there on their acting performances, but from what we’ve seen, I also wouldn’t mind Aiysha Hart being cast as one of the sand snakes. (then again, maybe I’m biased because I find her one of the most strikingly beautiful women I’ve ever seen on tv)

    Actually I had thought Aiyisha Hart might fit as a Sand Snake but didn’t mention her because of her commitment to “Atlantis” as I thought filming schedules might conflict.

  • Tir Airgid:
    In my mind while reading the book I always pictured Spanish actress Inma Cuesta as Arianne. No idea if she can speak English though.

    Here’s another picture. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111114173013/aguila-roja/es/images/3/3f/Margarita.jpg

    She IS stunning–very much looks the part! IMDB and her CV only seem to list Spanish works and there aren’t any notes about language abilities unfortunately, but the CV is over a year old, so perhaps isn’t up-to-date with all her skills. Maybe she’s done at least an interview in English.

    http://www.ruthfranco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/INMA-CUESTA-CV.pdf

  • I’m going to throw out one more for Doran: Emiliano Echeverria. He’s a bit on the older side, but that’s ok (and while everyone talks about the young-ish looking Pascal, he is meant to be Cersei’s age, clearly, given the story told to Tyrion).

    He’s most notable for playing El Chivo in Amores Perros, the homeless guy who doubles as an assassin. He’s great. Irffan Khan is also a great choice. I don’t see Giancarlo Esposito – like Demian Bichir, I find him too contemporary in his looks. John-Rhys Davies would be an interesting choice but they may want to continue the trend of going with someone with a South American background.

  • cheapstare:
    Mescalinic,

    Giannini played the Emperor in the Dune miniseries, he can’t be above Game of Thrones! :D
    But it’s true, it’ll never happen, simply because it is too perfect to happen.

    yeah, i was only saying that… too awesome a dream to become reality.
    and beside the perfection of the casting, it would also help a lot the reputation and renown of GOT in Italy. with an actor like Giannini in the show, the italian mainstream media would talk about GOT all the time :P

  • Quentyn should be Robert Sheehan.. taller skinnier but amazing none the less as nathan young in misfits.. would love to see him emulate that with swagger like obyrne but at the same time hes a dork… SAVE ME BARRY!

  • Flay Ramsay: I realize that the younger characters have been aged up due to the mature situations/suitability for television. But I don’t see this as a pattern that needs repeating for the twenty somethings.

    It isn’t just the younger characters. It’s the older generation as well. Ned, Cat, Robert, and that bunch were in their thirties in ASOIAF and were cast with fortysomething actors for the show. That trend of ageing up continued for the most part. I think that’s why people so often fancast older men for Oberyn, despite his age being 40 in the books, because it seemed likely they’d go older than that. Pedro being only 38 or 39 when cast was a break in the trend.

  • GreatJon of Slumber,

    I definitely don’t see John Rhys-Davies, that just seems so weird for me. Irrfan Khan I like, and had checked him out when writing the post. I don’t know that he’ll be available with him having a good role in the new Jurassic Park movie.

  • iridium,

    I wouldn’t be surprised if she was cut because If Tormund survives the battle he’ll still be south of the wall not beyond it so all D&D have to do is have Jon find Tormund and the scene will play fairly the same way

  • it would be difficult but Karen Olivo was always my first choice for Arienne. Edward James Olmos for Doran it’s a win.

  • Ser Tahu,

    QUENTYN!!!! We will avenge this insolence!
    That one would be a tough casting (if he isn’t cut, and the more I think about it the less I think he will be cut). They’d probably have to change his character a bit, maybe even combine him with some of his entourage. I don’t see quiet ugly Quentyn translating too well on screen. Also, I have never imagined him as Spanish looking, so that casting could potentially be interesting.

  • When reading the book,

    I pictured an older Benicio Del Torro as Doran and that fan art of Arianne as Arianne.

    I pictured Michelle Rodriguez as Obara, Janina Gavankar as Nymeria and Dev Patel as Quentyn … but some of the suggestions in this thread are much better.

  • I want to see Irrfan Khan as Doran Martell. He is 8 years older than Pedro Pascal, and he has that quiet wise feel in other roles that he has played.

  • Olmos looks so Doran!!!

    Turncloak:
    Ludo,

    Sansa will marry Aegon. It is know.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1vsuxb/spoilers_all_the_tourney_at_ashford_and_sansas/

    TOTALLY! I read that a while ago and I agree. As a matter of fact more than likely fAegon is not really fAegon but a ffAegon, which is really Aegon. So that is why the theory stands. Because the fifth champion for Sansa’s hand should really be a rTargaryan not a fTargaryan, like a Blackfyre pretender for example. Jeez, I just spoiled fAegon identity!!!

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    I love you for this. I’m half Persian. No one ever picks Persian. I…I just…*hugs*. Exactly how I read Arianne, too…

    But Latina. LOL! But that’s because I picked up a lot of the Dornish customs and read them as Spanish/Mexican/South American.

  • Tir Airgid,

    She is just about EXACTLY how I pictured Arianne as well, maybe a few years too old. I have not seen her act in anything, but she surely has the perfect look.

  • Needless to say Nina is going to be swamped with portfolio’s and reels of every female actor from Kathmandu to Casablanca and America to Argentina who match the images of book Arianne.
    Because Cote de Pablo is such a big GoT fan and already looks the part and has the acting chops, her agent probably has already contacted Nina.

  • Isabelle,

    Inma Cuesta looks as beautiful and exotic as Arianne should, what makes her standout is the intelligence in her eyes, I can see her as someone who can deftly play the GoT. Maybe nothing but it took me several difficult attempts to log onto her IMDB and agency site, perhaps she is getting noticed by important individuals.

  • Frank Sparks,

    Wow, she still is quite unbelievable youthful, I mean Ms Hayek still looks like she is her twenties, and I am talking about recent pics of her from this past April. If EJO (thumbs up) is Doran and we have a 60 y.o. Prince of Dorne, I can see her easily being chosen as Arianne, even though she looks 27-30, most viewers know she is around 40, so it won’t be difficult for them to see her as EJO daughter and heir. She has the exotic beauty (check), the accent (check), the youthful Med appearance (check), the intelligent eyes (check) and most importantly the attitude with an A (check), oh! and the seductive nature.

  • I’d like to see as many Sand Snakes as possible, but I actually hope the show sends Ellaria to King’s Landing instead of Nymmeria, making better use of the superb casting of Indira Varma
    As Obara, I picture Zuleikha Robinson and Antonia Thomas as Tyene or Arienne.

    Tir Airgid,
    I was rooting for Antonia Thomas to be cast, until you convinced me otherwise. She’s great (looks wise). In Google images some topless pics of her popped up. Even her body is just like Arienne is described.

  • I always liked Sarah Shahi for Arianne and Ron Pearlman for honorary Martell Aero Hotah in his Conan’s Father beard. Doran I could never begin to cast – except to say I always pictured him as heavy since he has bad gout.

  • Edward James Olmos for Doran, the man is a titan among men and easily rivals Charles Dance in gravitas and pure acting chops. Besides.. We all know Charles Dance is going to leave the show this season, seeing that Tyrion is going to kill Tywin. As soon as Charles Dance is gone, Edward James Olmos could fill in the HUGE gap Charles is going to leave behind, acting wise.

    Catalina Sandino Moreno is the best actress of all the suggestions and she is Latin, like Pedro Pascal. I know they don’t look exactly alike in the books, but I believe it should cause less confusion for the unsullied, to cast a Martell family that at least look like they are related. Catalina Sandino Moreno… I say it’s a no brainer.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I definitely don’t see John Rhys-Davies, that just seems so weird for me. Irrfan Khan I like, and had checked him out when writing the post. I don’t know that he’ll be available with him having a good role in the new Jurassic Park movie.

    I only want John Rhys-Davies because of A) he plays all ethnicities well even though he’s Welsh and B) further cements the Lord of the Rings connection. But he’d be a perfectly good Wyman Manderly anyway if they’re not going to do right by us and CAST BRIAN BLESSED.

    I think they’ll go more in the direction of Alexander Siddig or Irfann Khan or some of the other suggestions for Doran or perhaps a total unknown.

    And whomever said Michael Wincott for Euron is a genius. He’s 56. Patrick Malahide is 69. If they *do* give us a 60-year-old Euron and as many have said, the 50-year-old Ray Stevenson for Victarion, that group looks really impressive. Michael Wincott’s got the great, stringy hair, he’s got a gravely voice, and he does bug-fuck crazy very well (i.e., The Crow).

  • Red Helm: Joaquim de Almeida for Doran. Ian McShane might work, but he seems to me like a total opposite – Doran is 50, but looks much older and weaker, McShane is 70, but still looks ready for ass-kicking. But they’re gonna cast someone from Suriname for all I know.

    Well put. Ian McShane is 72 but looks like someone you could still cast as Victarion, though he’s too old.

  • why most of you are sure that Quentyn will be cut ): ?

    and do you think they will bring all the sandsnakes ? I know Oberyn already said they are 8 but what about serella ? are they going to cast her too ?

    and daemon sand – darkstar”I hope they keep the same hair color”- Areo hotah- and I think they will keep the same marcylla and cut Aerys okhart

  • Phil:
    Janina Gavankar!!! Please make it happen!!! That would make me so happy!!!

    Also throwing out Parineeti Chopra (or any

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WmkwD2a4cUo/UGrvEeHZ0HI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/sA_FOeqQLo8/s1600/Parineeti+Chopra8721.jpg

    and Inbar Lavi

    http://img.poptower.com/pic-66467/inbar-lavi.jpg?d=1024

    If Juliana Paes was younger, she would be a great choice!

    For Doran I am not too picky. Bichir, Shah, or Siddig would make me happy.

    Phil,

    Oof. That Inbar Lavi is perfect. Not just for Arianne either. I approve.

  • StrokemeMarg,

    Hmm, her IMDB page took a few extra seconds to load, but still worked for me. The CV loaded normally. Perhaps it’s a regional thing? (I’m in Europe right now) Still, it would be great if all the Thrones-related traffic had a hand in it!

  • I’m wondering if they will cast Quentyn Martell or not…
    I always assumed he could/ would be cut, but with Dany’s arc being accelerated a bit having Quentyn and entourage show up in Meereen could occupy Dany for a few episodes as well as provide an opportunity for exposition…
    Sons of Harpy could be interesting too if they go that route…

    Thoughts?

  • I’d never thought about Antonia Thomas for Arianne, but now its been suggested I REALLY want this to happen, loved her in Misfits! It’s not an obvious choice and I love that..

  • I like the suggestion of Annet Mahendru for Arianne. Depending on where they go with her character on the Americans in S3, she may be available. She’s a great actress and willing to do the nudity. She’s half Indian and half Russian, btw.

    I don’t see an Indian, Arab, Turkish, or Iranian actress being cast due to the nudity. Indian fans and studios have very high expectations for the morality of their actresses both in their roles and in public life. It’s a big deal in Bollywood films when actresses kiss men on screen and nudity in mainstream, big budget Bollywood films is not common. Bollywood has a particular acting style and with the exception of Irffan Khan, very few have crossed over successfully into mainstream US and British films. Aishwayra Rai is a superstar in India, but has had little success in US and British films. If they do cast an actress of Indian or Middle Eastern descent, they are more than likely to have been raised and worked mostly in Europe and the US, similar to Indira Varma and Sibil Kekilli.

    I love the suggestion of Javier Bardem as Doran.

  • I would like to see Dilshad Vadsaria and/or Jordan Brewster for either arianne or nym.

  • Dorne is a pretty big place to cast really, fair few characters there i guess. Ellaria Sand, Doran, Arianne, Myrcella, Aero, Darkstar, ser arys and maybe Quentyn. That seems to be what they need to have a good story down there… they dont all have to be big parts, like Aero doesnt need a line, just push Doran around and then cut Arys in half, and just be fucking huge and ominous looking

  • Kelly: I love the suggestion of Javier Bardem as Doran.

    I’m sure we all love that suggestion. But it’s not happening. He’s what, a 3-or-4-time Oscar nominee and winner? It isn’t happening.

  • Darquemode: outdoorcats,
    I could not agree more!
    I’ve been promoting Homayoun Ershadi as Doran for a couple years now.

    Wow, also excellent choice. I knew somehow once many here returned to the subject, previously mentioned contenders for the role would come up again. There were so many.

    Darquemode: Shohreh Aghdashloo for the Green Grace!

    WildSeed: I know it’s a long shot, but actress Shoreh Aghdashloo would be excellent as the Green Grace , alongside Danerys, or at least a write in for a woman of substance in Dorne. She might be considered as a mentor for Arianne’s sisters.

    No doubt the best contender for the role, should the show runners depict the GG as a significant character. After having Quaithe reduced to a Tattoo Artist / party girl, I’m no longer sure of any character’s relevance any more.

  • Randa,

    Salaam, Randa! Haletoon chetoreh?

    Since they have a Chilean-American playing RV and an Indian woman playing Ellaria, maybe we’ll get some Persian actresses playing sand snakes or Arianne. Given that they seem to be focusing on southern Spain for Dornish landscapes, maybe we’ll get Rafeal Nadal as Quentyn! :) I told you not to pet the dragons, knucklehead!

  • GreatJon of Slumber,

    Interesting point, although I have no idea what your perspective is for ” contemporary looking ” . It’s going to be quite revealing what the short list for cast ends up being, as it gives some impression for Benioff & Weiss’ vision for the show, and Dorne, specifically. John-Rhys Davis really excels at villain or brash male roles. I could even see him fulfilling the role of Oberyn, LOL ! He knows his talent well though, it would be interesting if he’s curious about the role or a fan of the show. In my minds eye, I consider a Greyjoy role a perfect demonstration of his acting strengths.

    What’s on my mind these days is the relevance of Quaithe, anymore, and if fake-Arya is included for next season. The show has seen a revision of plot for Tycho Nestoris heading to Winterfell, and maybe an exclusion of Deepwood Mott-Asha-Stannis story. There’s a lot that’s being juggled right now and I can barely wait to view the outcome. Tycho Nestoris now reminds of the IMF and World Bank. I can’t imagine he’d set foot outside Gringott”s of Braavos, to get frostbite in search of anyone.

    Onward Giants and Snarks and Grumpkins ! The Battle of Castle Black looms near !

  • Randa,

    WildSeed: Necar Zadegan

    WildSeed: I know it’s a long shot, but actress Shoreh Aghdashloo would be excellent as the Green Grace , alongside Danerys, or at least a write in for a woman of substance in Dorne. She might be considered as a mentor for Arianne’s sisters.

    Let’s not give up so soon ( :

  • The obvious choice for Doran Martell is Mandy Patinkin.

    Non Book Readers keep comparing Oberyn to Inigo Montoya. So, who better to play the older brother of Oberyn, but the man who originally played Inigo Montoya.

    OK, that’s semi in jest.

  • Tony,

    Freaky timing for you to comment about Ana de Armas, I swear… I JUST finished editing the pic of Ana I will use for my Casting post next month!XD

    http://oi58.tinypic.com/2hcndx4.jpg

    I saw her in Hispania at a friends a couple years ago and forgot about her until earlier this week! She really has the look I associate and that younger feel I think the role needs…

  • Indeed Inma Cuesta is about the best candidate if one wants to see Arianne on the flesh. I mentioned her myself, in this site, a few months backs if I remember correctly, for that very reason. There are two problems to c ast her however: she’s 33, and most importantly, I don’t think she has done an English-speaking role in her life. Eh, maybe she’s fluent and acts even better in English but has never done that in front of a camera, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    Another choice just hit me a few hours ago. Anybody heard of Marta Gastini? I wouldn’t think of her in the first place but the more I do, the more I find her a really good option. She’s 25 and played Giulia Farnese in the European series on the Borgias, which finished filming this year. She acted in English, showed quite the range and her character was a lot how I would describe Arianne: an ambitious, no-nonsense girl wise beyond her years that knew what she wanted and how to take it. She could be a lady on the street and a slut on the bedroom in the following shot. And she could be very manipulative at times. Giulia in the European series (Borgia) is a world apart from Giulia in the American (Showtime) series, The Borgias. In both cases she’s the Pope’s mistress, of course, and Lucrezia looks up to her as a kind of cool old sister she never had – but while the American Giulia shares these feelings and reciprocates Lucrezia’s friendship, European Giulia secretly sees her as a rival for her father’s attention and manipulates Lucrezia to get her in trouble. Also, Gastini was naked a lot in that show. In fact, for her first scene in that series she’s completely nude and you can see every inch of her body that is above her knees, both front and back. Not a prude I tell you.

    Regarding Doran: He looks nothing like Pedro Pascal but I still hope they get Mandy Patinkin to play him, just for the meta joke.

  • Ian McShane for The Kindly Man! I mean, seriously, McShane and Maisie sharing the screen (in a limited role, more suited to McShane’s age)… Sign me up.

    As for Doran – I like Siddig for the role. No real opinion for Arianne. I also expect we’ll ses Quentyn (in a limited capacity) and Tyene (possibly the only Sand Snake who will get any focus, if Ellaria takes over for Nymeria on the small council). Sarella may also appear, depending on whether or not they decide to integrate the happenings in Old Town into the show (though I guess it’s possible that she wouldn’t be introduced until the fifth season).

  • WildSeed:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Interesting point, although I have no idea what your perspective is for ” contemporary looking ” . It’s going to be quite revealing what the short list for cast ends up being, as it gives some impression for Benioff & Weiss’ vision for the show, and Dorne, specifically. John-Rhys Davis really excels at villain or brash male roles. I could even see him fulfilling the role of Oberyn, LOL ! He knows his talent well though, it would be interesting if he’s curious about the role or a fan of the show. In my minds eye, I consider a Greyjoy role a perfect demonstration of his acting strengths.

    What’s on my mind these days is the relevance of Quaithe, anymore, and if fake-Arya is included for next season. The show has seen a revision of plot for Tycho Nestoris heading to Winterfell, and maybe an exclusion of Deepwood Mott-Asha-Stannis story. There’s a lot that’s being juggled right now and I can barely wait to view the outcome. Tycho Nestoris now reminds of the IMF and World Bank. I can’t imagine he’d set foot outside Gringott”s of Braavos, to get frostbite in search of anyone.

    Onward Giants and Snarks and Grumpkins ! The Battle of Castle Black looms near !

    My standard for contemporary looking is Potter Stewart’s definition of porn: “I know it when I see it.” I guess what I’m saying is that there are certain actors who have a certain look to them that marks them as the type of actor that excels best in stories that take place in the present day – many of these actors are, for whatever reason, American, but that’s neither here nor there.

    Sean Bean and Viggo Mortensen can play any time period. The former can do medieval, industrial age, the future. Viggo can do those things and gangster movies, WWII era, westerns.

    Giancarlo Esposito doesn’t strike me as someone I can see in time periods outside of the present, perhaps going back to the 1960s or so, though I could see him in Civil War era dramas or Revolutionary War period. Medieval? It’s a stretch to me.

    Anyway. that’s all. It’s totally subjective.

  • Greatjon of Slumber,

    agreed….. with the subjective part. You pretty much summed it up with ” know it when you see it “. Can’t say fairer than that, and I respect your submissions . At the end of the day it’s just fun speculating. The show runners will have the last word what gets put to screen.

    Anyway, the bulk of my comments pointed to something altogether different, I was hoping for your comment on that. I know you had some concerns about Quaithe, as I do, or thought you did…. I apologize if I got the wrong end of that if that’s the case. The Green Grace…. etc…..

  • Darquemode,

    Quentyn will be great if he’s in, but he can easily be removed. Dorne as a whole would make more sense with him included…

  • WildSeed:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    agreed….. with the subjective part. You pretty much summed it up with ” know it when you see it “. Can’t say fairer than that, and I respect your submissions . At the end of the day it’s just fun speculating. The show runners will have the last word what gets put to screen.

    Anyway, the bulk of my comments pointed to something altogether different, I was hoping for your comment on that. I know you had some concerns about Quaithe, as I do, or thought you did…. I apologize if I got the wrong end of that if that’s the case. The Green Grace…. etc…..

    Ah gotcha now.

    I really hope we see Quaithe again, be it this year or next year. I really do. I think we’ll get the Green Grace, but Reznak probably gets eliminated, he seems unnecessary. I still think there’s a way to work in Belwas for a 2-episode appearance that would do him justice because of the necessary plotting involving Dany navigating the political waters of Meereen (much of Season 5 will have to involve major characters navigating treacherous political situations – Jon, Dany and Cersei and to some extent Margaery and of course Stannis).

  • Just put Yanna Lavigne google imagens! She would be perfect! I think they should cast some brazilian for Arianne Martell!

  • GreatJon of Slumber,

    I wouldn’t mind at all, extending the time for another Quaithe appearance, just so that we do. Since Danerys’ source of influence has been dialed back somewhat, the reemergence would help sustain some mystery of her journey forward….. whatever the revised premise may turn out to be. The show proven quite effectively, Danerys’ bond with her dragons, but less spoken counsel from her 2 trusted advisors. We barely get to see them interact or engage in physical conflict. In truth, the revised scenes have been effective enough to ascertain the influence of the 2 men, I’m just greedy for more. I suppose the kettle will get boiling once Jorah gets sent to the woodshed . I’m really anxious about the Mercenary groups due up, this will be a needed glimpse of the lifestyle soon to become Tyrion’s. Not casting the Window of the Waterfront /Volantis, is a mistake, IMO. She could quite easily prove an another onscreen strongpoint / plot for Tyrion , another Emmy worthy scene for GoT . Well, I’m probably rushing ahead too much, LOL. *>*

  • I’m not certain what’s happened above, I do recollect adding Tyrion’s name to Spoiler function ( after “….lifestyle soon to become…..” ). Whether the mistake was mine or not, can one of the moderators fix this ? Much obliged ( :

  • Drakoen:
    Hoot,

    Actually, I would prefer Ian McShane as Euron, with Ray Stevenson as Victarion.

    Agree with RS for Victarion. Also like the idea of a persian looking Arianne.
    As the show has declared that Doran has gout, does gout affect slim framed people or is it mostly larger people or just anybody?

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah, if (s)he said their mental image of Arianne looked like her, I’d probably have dismissed that offhand and never thought about it again. But they definitely knew who she was and still wanted her to play Arianne *shudders*.

  • Would love to see Edward James Olmos join the cast. Naseeruddin Shah would be an excellent pick as well, but he probably is very busy in Bollywood.

  • Portuguese actor Diogo Morgado name has come up recently as a possible Doran.

    Not sure if the various news sources are just reporting a rumour or if there is something more to it.

    At 34 he seems much to young for the role IMO.