Characters leaked for Game of Thrones season 5, with new details
By Ours is the Fury on in Casting, Speculation.

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Thanks to a tip from an unofficial Winteriscoming.net source, we have a better idea of how Game of Thrones season 5 is taking shape. Casting is in full swing, providing us with details about who the show will be adding next year- and a few of the changes that may happen with them.

Fans have been speculating that with Game of Thrones possibly filming in Spain next season that we’ll be seeing a lot of Dorne, and based on the role breakdown that has surfaced, they’re right.

We’ll tuck the details below a cut as they will include some spoilers about next year. In season 5, the characters we’ll be seeing include:

  • Prince Doran Martell – Doran is described as the major new player this year, appearing in multiple episodes. The fiftysomething prince uses a wheelchair, is reclusive and rules wisely. It appears the show is looking to continue the trend it started with Pedro Pascal, and cast Latino actors for the Martell clan.
  • Prince Trystane Martell – Trystane, the handsome fiance of Princess Myrcella, is being aged up to 18.
  • Areo Hotah - Doran’s personal bodyguard will appear throughout the season, assisting the prince with his duties. The show is particularly looking for a black actor to fill the role.

The Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell’s bastard daughters (with ages ranging 18-25):

  • Obara Sand – The eldest and most athletic Sand Snake will be having a major fight scene with a series regular character- not one who crosses her path in the books. This is an interesting change.
  • Nymeria Sand – Nymeria is described as “mixed race,” with her father being the fairer Oberyn and her mother being darker skinned. The second oldest of these Sand Snakes, she’s beautiful, emotional and very strong.
  • Tyene Sand - The youngest of the Sand Snakes that we meet uses her wits and seductive powers, and is less of a physical fighter than the other Sand Snakes. She is just as deadly as her sisters, however, but her weapon is poison.

 

  • High Sparrow - The books’ pious head of a religious movement will be appearing in several episodes in season 5.
  • Septa Unella – The show is looking for a character actress to play the imposing and unrelenting septa who spends a lot of time with a major series character next year.
  • Maggy the Frog- A fortune teller in A Feast for Crows, she’ll be in one episode next year.
  • Lollys Stokeworth – Just last week in “Mockingbird,” Bronn announced his intention to marry Lollys, whom Tyrion considers “dimwitted.” It looks like the sellsword will still be around next year.
  • Yezzan - A sleazy Meereenese slave owner.
  • The Waif – The strange child from the books that Arya encounters will likely be played by an older actress, one in her later teens, and we understand the show is specifically looking for a woman of East Asian descent for the part.

Presently, HBO has declined to officially confirm any casting news.

Ours is the Fury: There may be more casting information trickling in, so this list is by no means complete. The show may have already filled some roles, and that is why some parts are not present. I do hope that Arianne will be cast though, because while some aspects of her plot could be handled by Sand Snakes, not all can. A legitimate princess who is the heir isn’t the same as a bastard, so that is my only concern about casting. As for the Snakes, the show has established that Oberyn does have eight daughters, but we always knew we wouldn’t get to see all of them. Consolidating their personalities into three of them makes sense, I think.

 


721 Comments

  1. bristol
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Wow! This is major stuff. I’m especially excited to see who Nymeria fights. The High Sparrow stuff sounds cool too.

  2. Michael Tschuertz
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    STANNIS!

  3. D'Arcy
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    I’m wondering if Arianne isn’t on the casting list because they already have an actress in mind – and one who has already accepted the offer?

    There’s no way they exclude her. Absolutely no way.

  4. Levi Agee
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    NICE! I hope we get word on Greyjoys soon too

  5. House Mormont
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    No Arianne? never thought we’d get Areo Hotah and the Sand Snakes though woah

    Kinda sad we’re getting the Maggy the Frog flashback, show Cersei doesn’t need it, it was a dumb device on GRRM’s part

  6. HeySwanSong
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Hmm very interesting Dorne casting, I didn’t think we’d get all three of the main Sandsnakes. Also, is Arianne getting cut somehow?

  7. GeekFurious
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    I accept that they will be making some big departures from the books, especially next season. Giving us more badass ladies is a good way to do that, provided it doesn’t violate book canon so much that we end up with more moments, like we’ve had this season, where logic is tossed out just to invent an action scene.

  8. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    This is awesome but where are Vic and euron!

  9. House Mormont
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    THE WAIF WILL BE THE FIRST ACTOR OF ORIENTAL BACKGROUND YAY

  10. Bee Beep
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    There are no words to describe how excited I am! We get ALL three of the Sandsnakes, we get Prince Doran, Prince Trystane, even Areo Hotah. It’s absolutely safe to say that Arianne and Myrcella will be in too. In your faces, all those non believers who said Dorne will be cut because “it’s too boring anyway”! :D

    Soooo excited we’ll get Maggy the Frog! Do you think it will be done as a flashback/memory thing? But I think either way we’ll finally get Cersei’s prohpehcy? :D And the appearance of the High Septon seems to confirm Lena Headey’s guess that the Walk of Penance will be in S5.

  11. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Perhaps since trystane is aged up, he takes ariannes role?

  12. Kosis
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Does this mean the Greyjoy arc is completely out? I’m just doubtful that those roles have been cast yet.

  13. MUGger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Hotah! (the Dornish way of saying “Hodor”)

    I wonder what series regular could be fighting Obara Sand? My guess that it is either a Kingsguard, like Ser Meryn Trant, or Jaimie Lannister (ordered by Cersei to go to Dorne to protect Myrcella instead of to go and secure River Run).

  14. Joan Català
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Areo Hotah: Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

  15. sati
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    I’m just so psyched about this Maggy the Frog mention

  16. Kosis
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    I certainly hope not. Not to mention that replacing one of the most important female leads in the books with Trystane would send deafening pissed off shockwaves from here to Meereen.

  17. House Threepwood
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    The cast is getting bigger and bigger,it’s crazy.12 new characters and that’s even not including any of the ironborn brothers,and by ironborn brothers i mean of course Ray Stevenson and Mads Mickelssen(or James Purefoy for that matter).Maggie actually is no dumb device in any way,but she doesn’t need to be casted or shown,Cersei telling her story would be just as effective if not more..

  18. impuregold
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    LOLLYS!

  19. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Except for Doran (maybe), these are supporting characters. The big ones are coming.

    Yezzan: GRRM cameo possibility!
    High Sparrow: Rowan Atkinson! Over-the-top loon.
    The Waif: She is not that young…

  20. Winter
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Great scoop! Looks like the goings-on in Dorne is going to be a major storyline next season.

    I feel like the Maggy the Frog casting is the biggest news though. Are we going to get our first flashback? And if so, who is going to play young Cersei?

  21. Skywarpgold
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Oh wow, this is awesome! And I know I’m totally biased, but I think my sister, Caitlin Gold, would be amazing as the Waif. Here’s her reel:

    http://www.caitlingold.com/media.html

  22. Andrew
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Lollys! Somehow I knew the show wasn’t going to part ways with Jerome Flynn so easily. Happy news.

  23. Valaquen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Cool! Though Maggy… I thought detracted from Cersei’s familial and psychological motivation to hate Tyrion. Prophecy muddies it, in this instance.

  24. Har!
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    There is no way HBO would miss out on casting a sexually free character like Arianne. She is probably cast already.

    No Quentyn?

  25. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    WHERE IS ARIANNE?! Gods! This reminds me of GRRM’s post last year where he said he expects to see Doran and the Sand Snakes but made no mention of Arianne! No no no! Bad D&D! Arianne is the heart of the Dorne story, what’s the point of including Dorne without her?! And no, Ellaria or a Sand Snake can not replace her because they are not the heir! I guess this aged up Trystane could do the job, but what the hell? I’d rather lose one Sandsnake and get Arianne any day of the week.

    Also… Where are the Griffs?! And are the Iron Islands officially out?

  26. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    And so it begins…..
    Incredible news!

    I assumed we would get Dorne and that meant Doran and the Sand Snakes (I never thought there could be less than 3), but to get Hotah amd Trystane as well! What a great way to begin the morn!

    I would assume this is a very partial list and Arianne will be included in next year as well. I hope!

    Now if we could get some Iron Islands casting news… and Meereen….

  27. Daniellica
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Chillax, freaker-outers–the post explicitly says the list is by no means complete and is just a trickle of information.

    But what great information it is!! Woot.

    OT, but Ann Coulter is the Lysa Arryn of politics. Jus’ sayin… :D

  28. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Daniellica:
    OT, but Ann Coulter is the Lysa Arryn of politics. Jus’ sayin… :D

    I would enjoy tossing her out the moon door, even if I don’t know her sister.

  29. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Kosis,

    I hope im wrong too, but there are a lot of girl characters in dorne already. Maybe they feel like they need a strong male too?

  30. LJ
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Great news! I totally believe Arianne and the Frog are in. A lot of Dornishmen indeed.
    I take a wild guess that the one who fights Nym will be Loras.

  31. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    I am on EDGE! Arianne is my bitch, seriously. This news is disturbing!

  32. Kosis
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    You might be right. Arianne just seems like a no-brainer casting.

  33. trish
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    I’m sort of worried they’ll roll Arianne into Tyene and Nymeria.. which makes no sense. I would never have thought we’d get the Sand Snakes before Arianne… I would think Arianne is important to the plot what with her going after Jon Connington and Aegon VI

  34. outdoorcats
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    OK. I haven’t read blow the cut yet, or any of the comments. Need to take a second to breathe. Intense.

  35. Arriba
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    I hope we get soon some words on new Greyjoys.

  36. House Threepwood
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Rowan Atkinson as the high septon is the best suggestion EVER!”I’m afraid you should be flogged, by the graces of the Seven”heheh

  37. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    After what they did with the Tyrells, it would be good to reverse show some more intelligent male characters (considering Tywin will be gone by season’s end). I know Mace was a buffoon in the books, but they made him and Loras completely OTT in their ineptitude, just to make Olenna and Margaery seem even more politically-gifted.

    I would like to see them address the concept of primogeniture in Dorne a bit more though, so hopefully they’ll have more minor Ladies as well.

  38. Joan Català
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    The prospect of Arianne being cut is as worrisome as it is implausible. There are other charatcers not in this list that absolutely have to appear next season, and I don’t think they can possibly cut them all:

    Euron Greyjoy
    Victarion Greyjoy
    The Damphair

    Arianne Martell
    Ser Arys Oakheart (Could be cut, or played by a little known actor)

    Griff
    Young Griff

    The Kindly Man

  39. Tatters
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Well, this was awesome.
    Nothing is better than unexpected small roles.

  40. SusieQ
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    All you people worried about the lack of casting info on Arianne…..TAKE A CHILL PILL!!!! Did you not read the paragraph closing out this article?

    There may be more casting information trickling in, so this list is by no means complete.

  41. King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Yezzan is a good indicator of how far they’re going with Tyrion’s story. At the very least, he’ll be at the gates of Meereen by the end of the season.

  42. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Hmmm…
    Could aging up Trystane mean he could be taking on Quentyn’s role in the books? I would love it but does not look like it if he’s Myrcella’s finace I guess….

    Although new material could be fun.

  43. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    We’re seeing the Waif but no Kindly Man? Interesting.

  44. Jill
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Natalie Morales for one of the sand snakes please.

  45. outdoorcats
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Oh shit! This has me pretty excited actually! AREO HOTAH is in! And to be played by a black actor? Great, the series could always use more color, and as it happens ADEWALE AKINNYUOYE-AGBAJE was my no. 1 pick for the role (no. 2 was Mem Ferda – Areo’s race wasn’t specified in the books, so they could have gone whatever way). The appeal of AAA is, not only does he have the ‘big, physical’ part down, but he can make silence seem intriguing and interesting rather than just boring, justifying his existence (plus, I suspect that Areo will have a very interesting role to play in the last two books).

    We knew Trystane was in b/c if I remember correctly he was specifically name-dropped in ‘What is Dead May Never Die’ – someone correct me if I’m wrong. No surprise there.

    I wonder if Obara Sand will be taking the place of Arys Oakheart, helping kidnap Myrcella and getting killed by Areo.

    Are we getting Maggy the Frog in a dream sequence? The show has never done a flashback and I doubt that will change, but it’s occasionally okay with dreams.

    I would be disappointed if they dropped Arianne, but I can accept it.

    The High Septon! Three Sand Snakes! (is Sarella in?) Lollys!

    Bring back Aimee Richardson!

  46. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Ahh loras is an actual joke, its so sad. I hope mace becomes a better character next season. Maybe go straight to hand of the king or something

  47. King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Trystane taking Quentyn’s place is logical since Trystane isn’t really essential to the story. Him being aged up fairly dramatically (18 isn’t Myrcella’s age on the show, it’s Dany’s) would indicate they want him to have a different purpose than he does in the books.

  48. Chris
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Everyone needs to chill about Arianne. Agreed that she’s way too important to cut, especially if they’re including characters like the sand snakes. I’m assuming she was the most important Dorne character and is already cast

  49. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Winter,

    It’s probably going to be in the present rather than the past. No flashbacks.

    Also, do NOT make me go all Veltigar over an Arianne casting because I swear I will.

  50. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    DAARIO IS EURON it is known!

    Also I hope Obara fights and kills Meryn Trant or Ser Aerys Oakheart!!! Glad we are not getting Darkstar “I AM OF THE NIGHT!” Lol

  51. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    That was my first thought too…. Here’s hoping!

  52. Don't ask me how I know this
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Some of the characters have already been cast, so it’s natural those that are cast will be removed from the casting list.

    I can confirm that Edward Norton will be playing the role of Gerold “Darkstar” Dayne.

  53. JP Dayne
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    finally some asian love
    didn’t like the areo race change tho
    maggy got me stoked, tho, that means arya won’t go to braavos this season? or that another character will be meeting her?
    I’d bet my right arm as obara will fight brienne

  54. Sven-Oliver Lorenz
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    bristol:
    I am a bit concerned that they will cut the Shavepate. He is one of my favourite non-POV Characters, although he doesn´t make the top ten (it cant be possible, when you have Littlefinger,Varys, Bronn, the Hound, Tywin, Joffrey etc.).

    Nonethless,It would be sad to loose such a great character. I think I should implore on HBO and the fans: “SAVE THE SHAVEPATE!!”

  55. Nikolai
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Oh my god. I just realized that i possibly could audition for Trystane Martell. I have little to no acting experience. But i have about the right skin colour the right age ( i`ll be 17 in december ) and i fluently speak english. God, that would be so awesome.

  56. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Show watchers be like “Oberyn named his daughter after Arya’s direwolf?” #NOONEUNDERSTAAAANDS

  57. wizardeyes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Where has this info come from?

    Really glad we’re getting sand snakes but what about Arianne and Quentyn?
    Who will Obara be fighting?

    And Maggy the frog is interesting. Flashback?

  58. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Don’t ask me how I know this,

    A good laugh!
    Now, mr production insider, who is cast as Arianne?

  59. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Don’t ask me how I know this,

    Not sure if legit or not, but interesting!

  60. sloosh
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    I wonder if Trystane has been aged up because they might be bringing back Aimee Richardson (I think she’s around 16 now).

  61. Lord of the Waters
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Tyene made the cut. So happy ❤❤❤

  62. King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    wizardeyes:
    Where has this info come from?

    As mentioned, a “source”. I’m going to go ahead and guess his name is Steve if that helps you.

  63. zambi76
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Maggy the Frog-

    HA! Queen you shall be … until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear … And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

    Suck it haters!

  64. Koka
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Please people tell me this is not the final list !!! Please no way !! No Arianne ???? Omg they cannot do this to my heart WTF !!! and no Quentyn !! Why D and D why what did I ever do to you ??, T__T and why letting Oberyn saying he has 8 daughters and then only bringing 3 !! I was hoping to see Sarella T___T
    And I wish that they didnt change Areo Hotah color Its not a big deal I know but still :( :( And no daemon sand nor Darkstar nor Aerys Okhart :( god be good •_• and where are the fucking greygoys are the going to wake up in s07 and reliaze the have forgoting about them or what !!!!!!!!!!!!!! And no Griff and no young Griff or haldon :) :) ok I am not crying I am fine and why in earth the are casting mag the witch frog !!!!!! They didnt bother doing flasback for the last dragon nor the battle of the drident nor the Ned stark VS the kingsguard at the tower of joy and now they are doing it for the firts time and for who ?? Cerci *__* seven save us and yes I almost forget what about Kaven and lancel dont tell me they are not imprortant too !! If there is no Lancel in the casting thats mean there is no”she was fucking Lancel……” Line in ep10 ………….?????……….brb commeting sucide

    PS: excuse my bad english

  65. Cheese Souffle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    WHERE IS SARELLA SAND?? THE CITADEL HAS TO HAVE ITS SPHYNX
    #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS

  66. Mormegil
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    I couldn’t recall who Septa Unella was at first (I do now) and thought we might be getting a renamed Septa Lemore especially as it says she will spend a lot of time with an established character.

  67. Ser Davos Seaworth
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    interesting… this is 100% not a complete list. I thought the show would condense the sand snakes into one character, but it looks like their trying to develop three of them which leads me to believe they are going to be important (maybe even POV) in tWoW…

  68. [email protected]
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Arya talked about the first Nymeria in Season 2. #ALERTVIEWERSUNDERSTAAAAAND :)

  69. King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    People need to read the part of the post where it explicitly states this is in no way a complete and/or finalized list. It’s not that difficult to comprehend.

  70. Koka
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Obara I think will fight Areo and losse her head in Aerys’s place :(

  71. [email protected]
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    One way of handling that story without retconning all of Cercei’s character would be to have Maegi da Frog announce the prophecy in present time.

  72. Koka
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    King Tommen:
    People need to read the part of the post where it explicitly states this is in no way a complete and/or finalized list. It’s not that difficult to comprehend.

    Sorry I just woke up and Read the list on the bed with almost close eys Ididnt mean to creat big noise :(

  73. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Cheese Souffle,

    Looks like it is possible that Nymeria will take on Sarella’s book role. The “Nymeria” synopsis sounds more like Sarella to me at least, and it makes some sense too.

    Last year, the huge casting of Indira Varma made many speculate that they could use her as a replacement for Nymeria of the books, give her the Small Council seat etc…

    I hereby nominate Zawe Ashton!

  74. GeekFurious
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    It is as if all the insane people who have major drama queen issues, post on fan sites.

  75. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    No, the post said it MIGHT not be a full list. It probably isn’t, or the Griffs would be on it, but the inclusion of 90% of Dorne and no mention of Arianne is disturbing, especially when paired with GRRM’s comments last year on his Not a Blog.

  76. ebevan91
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    ATTENTION: If you didn’t see a certain character’s name, it’s probably because THEY’VE ALREADY BEEN CAST.

  77. Koka
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    <a href="mailto:herrsebbe2@gmail.com">herrsebbe2@gmail.com</a>:
    wizardeyes,

    One way of handling that story without retconning all of Cercei’s character would be to have Maegi da Frog announce the prophecy in present time.

    Yes I thought the same thing she maybe will go to her in kings landing with her tyroshi friend from book4

  78. noone
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    Also, one of the younger sandsnakes, Sarella; the one who loves the citadel. Eventually, Sam will have to get there and meet her among others.

  79. Joh
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Very exciting, happy news that we are getting so many new characters in Season 5.

    I am assuming they left out Arianne and The Kindly Old Man because the showrunners already have people in mind for those parts, and are negotiating contracts.

  80. outdoorcats
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    I’m so excited by all this. Areo Hotah! If they’re looking for a Black actor to play him, the clear choice is ADEWALE AKINNUOYE-AGBAJE, in my opinion. Not only does he have the size and physicality down, he’s proven he can make silence interesting/intriguing rather than just boring – he’s great at non-verbal acting. He was always my no. 1 pick for Areo as it is anyway (no. 2 was Mem Ferda).

    Since I don’t think the show will use it’s first flashback now – but has been shown willing to concede to the occasional dream sequence – I suspect Maggy the Frog and her prophecy will be in a dream of Cersei’s–perhaps like in the books, what she is dreaming about before she is woken up to learn Tywin is dead.

    Could Obara take the place of Ser Arys, helping kidnap Myrcella and then the fight would be with Hotah?

    I’ll be disappointed if they cut Arianne, but pretty much ready to accept whatever changes they make at this point. However, it’s more likely they just already have an actress in mind, or already cast her.

    Hotah! Three Sand Snakes! The High Sparrow! Lollys!

    Bring back Aimee Richardson?

  81. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    ebevan91,

    This early? I thought last year people were only cast just a couple of weeks before shooting started. I think my tantrum is over, though.

  82. outdoorcats
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    This news has me very excited.

    The clear choice to play Areo Hotah, the clear choice (and who was my no. 1 pick anyway) is ADEWALE AKINNYUOYE-AGBAJE, who not only fits the role in terms of physicality/size but who can make silence/reticence (Areo isn’t chatty) interesting/intriguing rather than just boring, justifying his casting. He’s great with non-verbal acting.

    I suspect Maggy the Frog will be as part of a dream sequence, not a flashback, since the show has been willing to do those before – not unlike in the books.

    Obara Sand to take Ser Arys’ place we think?

    High Sparrow! Areo! Three Sand Snakes! Lollys!

    Bring back Aimee Richardson!

  83. bristol
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Guys, chill out.

    The ones we’re missing are:

    Euron
    Victarion
    Aeron (maybe, I hope not)
    Arianne
    Jon Con
    Aegon

    All of those are huge roles, and I’m pretty sure they’ve all already been cast. The rest of the ones not on the list but are coming are going to be minor characters.

  84. stephen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    D’Arcy,

    D’Arcy,

    Unless Ellaria Sand is taking on the Arianne storylines

  85. A Faceless Man
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    I know some things…

    I do not know about the Greyjoys so do not ask…

    I do know that Griff and Young Griff will not be in season 5. Will they be in future seasons? Don’t know. But I do know you won’t see them next year.

  86. Melisandre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    i see, maybe thats why she was acting sweet with margeary. because the prophecy isnt seen yet. i was surprised when she invited margeary to be tommens queen herself.

  87. King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    ebevan91,

    This early? I thought last year people were only cast just a couple of weeks before shooting started. I think my tantrum is over, though.

    They get cast all over the place and it often coincides with when the filming for that particular storyline commences.

    I would imagine the info in this piece is the casting call being put out for the next round of casting but they very easily could have already settled on a number of roles already.

  88. Mormegil
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    So does Maggy the Frog mean we will be getting our first flashback or could she be someone Cersei meets in the present day?

    Could an 18 year old Trystane be sent to Meereen instead of his older brother, this would of course mean breaking of the engagement to Myrcella?

    Who is Obara Sand going to fight and why?

  89. zambi76
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Obviously this is the recurring character’s list. Arianne and Euron will be main cast. Breath folks.

  90. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Concerning the waif, Asian actresses on average have the appearance of still being in their teens well into their twenties, so just do a search for Asian actors under 30 and go from there. Perhaps she will teach Arya the ways of seduction, after all it is an important characteristic and weapon of assassins.

    Not worried about Arianne, her character is the biggest female player in Feast and any book fan will place her in the top five of ASoIaF fairer sex characters. Being a major role, the announcement of the actress cast for the part will be an extremely important and big one.

    Lolly’s yes, more Bronn is a good thing, we need a casting call for fan selections for the role.

    Loving the news we will get the three major snakes, the others will more than likely be featured extras, except for you know who over in Oldtown. I got an idea, the Waif is a snake, sent to train in Braavos by her father.

    Yes, the Walk is in, I think it should be a episode 10 moment, the doors open, the person sees the multitude of people outside, steps over the threshold and cut (to be concluded in ep 1, season 6.

  91. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    A Faceless Man,

    How is it that you know this? I mean, if it’s an “inside source”, fine, that’s secret. But who are you, exactly, that you could have such a source?

  92. Cheese Souffle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    OK, serious post now, RE: Lollys. It makes me wonder less about whether Bronn will return and more about what he’ll be doing. Lots of people wondered last season if he’d be taking Ilyn Payne’s role on Jaime’s victory tour of the Riverlands, but Lollys’ casting sounds like they might be sticking closer to the books. (Of course, this doesn’t preclude Bronn from continuing with Jaime and just bringing Lollys along for the ride.)

  93. Lars
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    The inclusion of Maggy the Frog makes me doubt the veracity of this list… The show has so far had no dreams or flashbacks for any character other than Bran. It could change… But I would expect the “Maggy” information told some other way.

  94. zambi76
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Who is Obara Sand going to fight and why?

    Can only think of Meryn Trant or Bronn (on Cersei’s payroll). What the fuck would Loras do in Dorne? Try to seduce Arianne or Doran?

  95. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Before I say anything let me reiterate what others have stated: THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST. YE GADS!!

    However…

    THIS IS THE AWESOMELY AWESOME OF AWESOMENESS AND KUDOS TO D&D FOR KEEPING THE SCOPE SO BIG. Season 5 is going to be similar to Season 3 where you’re introducing a ton of new characters – this year has basically been Oberyn, Ellaria and not much else.

    –Doran! Awesome, but expected. Trystane is expected. Myrcella is in NO WAY going to be re-cast. Areo Hotah, nice – he’ll be a good one, and no, folks, Idris Elba is not going to play the part of “big dude with an ax.”

    –Three major Sand Snakes!! Everyone worrying about Arianne, take a CHILL PILL. If the Snakes are in, more than likely we see Arianne. And this seems to make the Queenmaker plot very very likely. I love it.

    –Yezzan is a surprise, but I guess the slaving plot is too good to not include, and helps confirm some of the Tyrion plot. Which is great.

    –Maggy the Frog makes me so excited I can’t believe it. Sure, it’s prophecy, but it’s unclear prophecy. It also helps add to Cersei’s general sense of dread. I loved that in the books, it’s so effing creepy.

    –Septa Unella! AWESOME. So they need to find a real badass for her. (Margo Martindale? No, it won’t work. :)

    –The High Sparrow was a must. He’s majorly effed up, man. So that’s great, too.

    Right now, I’m at a point where the only must-haves left for me are Victarion and Euron, and the only nerdgasm one left is Moqorro, just because Red Priests are awesome, and he’s the best of all of them.

    Still, folks. A bit of perspective: GRRM made these books to be “unfilmable.” There was tons and tons of speculation that the storylines would be massively condensed.

    And We’re getting the entire contingent of Dornish (assuming Arianne – I still see Quentyn as very much cuttable).

    It’s fantastic news.

    And I’m going to throw out one more wrinkle — it’s possible they could even delay Victarion until Season 6. But by all means, it’s not a full cast, though the Greyjoys right now seem to be more on the chopping block than anyone else, and I think we’ll *still* get them.

  96. zambi76
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    The inclusion of Maggy the Frog makes me doubt the veracity of this list… The show has so far had no dreams or flashbacks for any character other than Bran. It could change… But I would expect the “Maggy” information told some other way.

    Eh, it’s kind of the perfect season opener. Cersei wakes up from a nightmare in the books too, before being told Tywin has snuffed it.

  97. Felt Pelt
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    A flashback via the appearance of Maggy the Frog is pretty big news. Also, that is a lot of Dorne, which seems like it could remain shadowy for another season.

  98. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Where’s Taena? I thought she was a fairly substantial supporting character.

  99. outdoorcats
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Lars,

    I seem to remember Cogman hinting in the past that in later seasons, they might do dream sequences for characters who aren’t Bran. Or not, maybe I imagined it.

  100. Tom
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    No Penny! ;(

  101. ebevan91
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats:
    Lars,

    I seem to remember Cogman hinting in the past that in later seasons, they might do dream sequences for characters who aren’t Bran. Or not, maybe I imagined it.

    I remember that too. I think it was in the Game of Owns podcast last year?

  102. Strider
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    HOLY CRAP! THAT’S A LOT OF MARTELLS IN! #HouseMartellFTW

    Doran has to have his own kids (plural). I’d be shocked if at least one of them (I’d say Arienne) is not making it in beside Trystane. Because if they don’t Arienne might not survive in the books. That’s a pretty damn big spoiler for us book readers.

  103. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    zambi76,

    That would be awesome! And that way, we can see what casterly rock looks like!

  104. King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    I think a good rule of thumb for speculating whether characters will be included on the show or not is to first ask:

    1) Does this character get naked and have steamy sex?

    and

    2) Does this character get roasted alive by dragons?

    If the answer to either of these questions is “yes”, then I think it’s a safe bet they’re on the show.

  105. zambi76
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    –Maggy the Frog makes me so excited I can’t believe it. Sure, it’s prophecy, but it’s unclear prophecy. It also helps add to Cersei’s general sense of dread. I loved that in the books, it’s so effing creepy.

    I never got the hate in fandom for this prophecy. OMG! it makes Cersei crazy-dumb. Yeah, sorry, bitch was always crazy-dumb. Granted I love it double, because I’m a A+J=C+J believer and all Targs are crazy-dumb about prohecies.

  106. Smith Mcgee
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    Euron is already in the show mate.

  107. JediShywalker
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    I highly doubt that Maggy the Frog will be a flashback. My guess would be we see her in a dream sequence or that she is a one off visitor to the Red Keep who does some on-the-spot prophesying with Cersei.

    If we haven’t gotten flashbacks for the Knight of the Laughing Tree or the Tower of Joy, then I doubt they’re going to start with this one.

  108. Mirri Maz
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand why everyone is freaking out, that’s definitely not all the characters that are being cast. There’s the whole of Tyrion’s companions and the Greyjoys. Although I did think that with Ellaria Sand being played by a well known actress, she might replace Arianne.

    Maybe Maggy the Frog will come to older Cersei and give her the prophecy to push her further into madness instead of them doing a flashback.

  109. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    No need for Arianne, they’ll have the Sand Snakes for the boobs.

  110. zambi76
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    I seem to remember Cogman hinting in the past that in later seasons, they might do dream sequences for characters who aren’t Bran. Or not, maybe I imagined it.

    I remember that too.

    Me three. And I kinda really want the vision/dream Jaime has of Joanna later in AFFC.

  111. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Melisandre,

    *sigh* It was pretty clear Cersei was trying to influence the judges at Tyrion’s trial, directly in the case of Tywin and Oberyn and indirectly in the case of Mace Tyrell, through his daughter Margaery. Oberyn said as much in last week’s episode, “Mockingbird”, to Tyrion in his cell.

    I don’t know how so many people missed the whole point of her scenes in that episode: she was being nice, playing the game diplomatically, in order to have his brother Tyrion executed. I thought people would get it once Oberyn had SAID it next episode, but… aparently not.

  112. Astalnar
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    GRRM did warn them about the butterfly effect, they thought it was a joke.

  113. Nettie
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    HeySwanSong,

    There are eight sand snakes. They didn’t include Sarella in the list or Ellaria’s children.

  114. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Astalnar:
    GRRM did warn them about the butterfly effect, they thought it was a joke.

    Who thought it was a joke? Surely you don’t mean D&D.

  115. SM4e
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    After what they did with the Tyrells, it would be good to reverse show some more intelligent male characters (considering Tywin will be gone by season’s end). I know Mace was a buffoon in the books, but they made him and Loras completely OTT in their ineptitude, just to make Olenna and Margaery seem even more politically-gifted.

    Well, we’ll probably get Randyll Tarly.

    Other thoughts of me:
    - Arianne is probably cast already, Dorne’s plot revolves around her. It’d be like cutting Margaery from the Tyrells.
    - I am very sure we will also get Darkstar. I assume the Dorne storyline will almost exactly play out like it did in the books because the Unsullied love Oberyn Martell and his culture.
    - I am unsure where Trystane’s up-aging is going to. I was very certain he would be included because Myrcella is betrothed to him; but might him and Quentyn be merged?
    - Areo Hotah! Get hyped! And I wonder what is implied with Obara’s fight.
    - We might get Elia Sand as well, as she was mentioned by Oberyn in 4×05. Maybe she is friends with Myrcella?

    - I wonder where Bronn’s storyline is going: Did he, in the end, just pick up Addam Marband’s place or will he take Ser Illyn Payne’s as well?

    - Yezzan, that’s quite interesting. Draznak’s pit with Tyrion confirmed!?

    - No more comments about how racist HBO is by not letting an Asian actor join the cast, finally.

    - Maggy The Frog, another very interesting character. I thought D&D didn’t want to do any flashbacks?

  116. Mike
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    I hope they don’t cut Arianne. Sheq has to be in the show, she’s a POV character. And they haven’t announced Grif or Victarion yet so I’d assume they’re saving those announcements for later on.

  117. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Ok this is most disturbing news i ever read on this site.

    They are bringing AFFC filler in full power to the TV screen?

    It has become apparent D,D&B have gone out of their minds.

    People are complaining about the pacing of season 4 and that its boring and what do you think will happen when in season 5 instead of resolment of current plotlines they are introduced to a big new one just at its start with peaple you dont care about?

    Episode – Views
    0105 – 7-9 million
    0205 – 7-8 million
    0305 – 7 million
    0405 – 5 million
    0505 – 5 million
    0605 – 4.5 million
    0705 – 4 million
    0805 – 3 million
    0905 – 2 million
    1005 – 0,9 million

    Somethings happening with the producers. That scene with Yara and her “magical” escape from the Dreadfort is not by HBOs standard.

    Sad sad day today. Next year its snoozefest.

    but hey…
    Vikings 02 >>>> GOT 04

  118. Tatters
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Astalnar,

    Grrm is that you?

  119. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    I wonder who they will cast for Qentyn Martell of Dorne, The Unburnt, Master of Dragons.

  120. Rhaegar
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    I feel these are the “secondary” characters that are being cast at the last minute. The huge new characters are probably already cast e.g kindly man, Arianne, Griff & Young Griff, Euron, Vic I’m just curious if they will include Quentyn or just merge it with Trystane

    Also please give us Moqorro!!!

    Sooo happy about Maggy the Frog!!!!!

  121. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Smith Mcgee:
    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    Euron is already in the show mate.

    Daario is not euron. That is the stupidest theory in the history of stupid asoiaf theories…and ive read alot of them

  122. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I love the Obara Sand post hinting at an important event that is not in the books.

    Who would the council via King Tommen send to Dorne, one that is a series regular, and has fighting skills.

    Jaime – Cersei is pissed at him and I could see her manipulate Tommen to send him to protect Myrcella, especially after seeing Maggy is cast.
    Bronn – With Bronn in Cersei’s pocket I can see her sending him there for the same reason as above, along with his new wife.
    Ser Loras – possiblity
    Ser Trant – Cersei wouldn’t send away her favorite Kingsguard member

    Those are the only roles that match the description and are in KL

  123. Delta1212
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure why everyone thinks Maggy the Frog has to mean they’re going to be doing a flashback. I’m not saying they definitely won’t but it seems at least as likely that she’ll just be showing up in the present storyline.

    Whether she shows up as a reminder of stuff that has already happened or has yet to do what she does, I don’t know, but I’d put money on her being firmly placed in the present of the show.

  124. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor: Daario is not euron. That is the stupidest theory in the history of stupid asoiaf theories…and ive read alot of them

    Daario is Euron. He has 93 ships on the show now. Same # of ships Victorian takes to Mereen

  125. Tatters
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    History buff alert!
    Sad sad day today.
    Its become apparent that Hoyti has lost his mind,
    thinking people are being bored with season 4!
    Thats why GoT breaks viewersship records and pirate numbers every episode.

  126. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    Maggy the Frog doesn’t have to be a flashback…

  127. Lady
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how they’ll tie things in with Dorne…

    With Oberyn’s fate it’ll be an abrupt intro to a whack of Dornish people.
    We’ll be losing many characters so adding more is good though.

    Show watchers know Myrcella is out there but not much else.

  128. Nesaia
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Very interesting casting news, this will be a great season.

    I hope we will see Val too.

  129. Athelstan
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    I would like to suggest either Pam Ferris or Kerry Fox for the role of Septa Unella. Both are in the right age range that I imagine for this character and have played imposing characters in the past. Either can convey the strength of character and physical presence to accompany Cersei during her ‘Walk of Punishment’ which we will probably see in S5.

    While I am a big fan of Rowan Atkinson, I don’t think that he’d necessarily be the right casting choice as the High Sparrow. For me, Matthew MacFadyen could do it. He is an experienced actor and can convey the necessary mixture of piety, righteous self belief and malevolence. (I admit that his role in The Pillars of the Earth has influenced my choice!)

  130. A flayed man none
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy:
    Ok this is most disturbing news i ever read on this site.

    They are bringing AFFC filler in full power to the TV screen?

    It has become apparent D,D&B have gone out of their minds.

    People are complaining about the pacing of season 4 and that its boring and what do you think will happen when in season 5 instead of resolment of current plotlines they are introduced to a big new one just at its start with peaple you dont care about?

    People are complaining?

    News to me.

  131. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol…the climb in viewership throughout this season is proof you have the cognitive ability of…A Troll!

  132. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    Yeah this is an interesting thought. D&D might want to integrate Dorne even more directly by having a familiar character like Jaime or Bronn take a detour there. Not sure if it is necessary but if they’re nervous about the audience being fully invested in this new storyline with a bunch of brand new characters this would be one way to make people care a bit more.

  133. Joh
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Also, is anybody else a little weirded out by the requirement that Areo Hotah’s actor be black?

    It seems like every very dark-skinned person in the show comes from a background of total poverty, slavery, crime, or lifelong servitude. Let’s see…we’ve got a slave soldier, a slave translator, a pirate, and a broke dockworker-turned-corrupt-councilman.

    So the one character next season who is basically a bodyguard/manservant to Doran has to be black? Why?

    In the books, the dark complected characters come from very different backgrounds. We have a prince, several wealthy merchants, ship captains, courtesans, a scholar. There is also a common prostitute and a brothel madame from the Summer Isles, but even they enjoy more personal freedom, education, and success than most Westerosi, and see their profession not as something they were forced into but rather as a religious vocation.

    It just seems like the show has gone out of its way to give black characters lives that suck.

    I certainly hope they turn that around with Nymeria and Sarella, instead of giving them needlessly tragic backstories.

  134. Christopher Loureiro Kapáz
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    NO ARRIANE?! They cant cut her!! Trystane 18?! This means no Quentyn? They must be kidding! And 3 sandsnakes… For that I wasnt expecting..

  135. crabber's son
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    I can totally see Maggy the frog scene to happen in the present and that’s what pushes Cersei over the edge

  136. zambi76
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Ellaria as Arianne would only make sense if Doran adopts her. Be serious folks. I could see Ellaria merged with Sarella though.

    I think people will care about the Dornish alright after 4.8. if you know what I mean.

  137. Tatters
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Joh,

    Areo seems like the most reasonably happy person in the books, and whats wrong with that? You are looking to deep into this, hopefully this will be awesome.

  138. Delta1212
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Trolling? This is the first season that I’ve yet to hear a single complaint regarding pacing about.

  139. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Never change dude. Hilarious!

  140. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    And not another Ironborn in sight. Praise the Old Gods and the New for that.

  141. utherwolf
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    It would be a biggest shit in a history if Euron and Victarion are meant to be cut off. In that case, who would replace Balon on a Seastone Chair. Stannis said his name in episode 3×08, so he must die.

    I would also be disappointed if Arrianne is meant to be cut off. If that’s true, then I assume she will be fused with Trystane.

  142. Tereeza777
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    This show just keeps getting better and better. Maybe Mila Kunis for Arianne or one of the Snakes. Mila looks to be the right age, right height, long dark hair, lite olive complexion, beautiful eyes, shapely, and she often plays feisty and wild, with a quick temper. She’s pregnant right now – baby is due in September.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdSzeGyzzEg

  143. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Ill need more convincing than that. Im not sure if we’re talking about show or books but in the books theres not way he can travel from slaver bay to westeros and back continuously.
    Unless he has littlefinger and mels teleporting device? Hmm possible

  144. Delta1212
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza777,

    They’re not going to cast Mila Kunis.

  145. Udi
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Andrew,

    This!
    While the other casting news is fantastic, the prospect of seeing more Bronn is possibly even better news. I just can’t get enough of Jerome Flynn! So turns out that one of the dullest characters in the books Imo (Lollys Stokeworth) turns out to be some of the best casting news we get!

  146. Delta1212
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    Now watch: In the books they are actually separate characters, but on the show D&D combine them, thus “confirming” the theory and trolling the shit out of all the book readers.

  147. Lady
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    BTW, since many book-readers loathe AFFC…and ADWD is also considered sub-par to the first three books….they should now be happy if D and D take liberties to jazz things up.

    …as long as we kind of get to the same ending that GRRM had planned all those years ago.

    I’m thinking of somehow having Sansa getting to be the actual Queen…Rickon will end up Warden of the North. The question would be whether Gendry or Aegon marry Sansa.

  148. Koka
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Calm down

  149. patchface
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Where’s Arianne?

  150. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Rhaegar:
    I feel these are the “secondary” characters that are being cast at the last minute. The huge new characters are probably already cast e.g kindly man, Arianne, Griff & Young Griff, Euron, Vic I’m just curious if they will include Quentyn or just merge it with Trystane

    Also please give us Moqorro!!!

    Sooo happy about Maggy the Frog!!!!!

    I really hope you’re right. I’m a little bit reassured, but still suspicious.

  151. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor:
    Turncloak,

    Ill need more convincing than that. Im not sure if we’re talking about show or books but in the books theres not way he can travel from slaver bay to westeros and back continuously.
    Unless he has littlefinger and mels teleporting device? Hmm possible

    Euron fast travels from Mereen to Pyke using Warlock and Red Priest magic. He quips to Asha stating “I control the wind”. His decks are filled with blood because magic requires blood sacrifices

  152. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Why do you fanatics (and you have to be a fanatic to like the brain insult that is AFFC/DWD) like to call the people who disagree with you “trolls”?

    I am not a troll, bot you need a reality check.

    The show will at the end of this season lose some big names but instead of fininshing up the story, we keep expanding into filler teritory caused by GRRMs writers block.

  153. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    Also to go west you must go east. The shorterst route to Pyke migt actually be through Ashai as the world might be round

  154. Joh
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Tatters,

    Oh, don’t get me wrong, Areo is a pretty cool guy. He has a very zen outlook on life, and a genuine love for the Martell family.

    But that is difficult to convey without the point of view we get in the books.

    Without his inner monologue, we have just another big silent guy standing around looking menacing.

    But I’m just being picky. Honestly, I’ll probably love Season 5 no matter what.

    Whoever plays him, I am looking forward to seeing Areo murder one of the more incompetent kingsguard.

    Ser Meryn Trant, I am looking at you.

    The only problem with replacing Arys with Meryn is that it speaks badly of Arianne, and nobody wants to see Meryn get a nude scene.

  155. ebevan91
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Rhaegar:
    I feel these are the “secondary” characters that are being cast at the last minute. The huge new characters are probably already cast e.g kindly man, Arianne, Griff & Young Griff, Euron, Vic I’m just curious if they will include Quentyn or just merge it with Trystane

    Also please give us Moqorro!!!

    Sooo happy about Maggy the Frog!!!!!

    I don’t think they’re going to have a character already betrothed to someone (Myrcella) travel all the way to Essos to marry Dany, who will probably already be married, or just about to be married.

  156. We do not Hodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Trystane is most likely aged up because Aimee Richardson is what 16 or so?

  157. Ice & Fire Walk with Me
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    THE WAIF WILL BE THE FIRST ACTOR OF ORIENTAL BACKGROUND YAY

    …Are you ****ing kidding me?

  158. omarlittletheking
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think that Jaime be the one that fights with the sand snakes at dorne. He got a date with Brienne at the end of the season in one of the biggest cliffhangers of ADWD.

  159. Martin
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Excieting stuff. Happy that we’re getting more Dorne.

    Im really anxious to get news on the Greyjoy brothers though. They cant leave out the aesomeness that is Euron, Vic and the Iron Island culture in general.

  160. Sara
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    where is Arianne Martell. I want alexander siddig for Doran Martell! please!

  161. Shock Me Sane
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    This is by definition a spoiler thread right? I mean, if you want to be unsullied, don’t hang out in future season casting posts.

    Well, if they are cutting/merging Quentyn into Trystane, we almost have to have Arianne don’t we? Ellaria Sand isn’t going to fill in for her role. She could for the queenmaker stuff, but not for the going to Aegon. Aegon isn’t going to take a 40-something bastard with no lineage as his wife. The Sand-snakes likewise make no sense in that role unless Doran has adopted AND legitimized one. Even then, I doubt Aegon would accept anyone but the HEIR of Dorne, which will still be Trystane in this Quentyn/Arianne-less universe.

    So I imagine Arianne is either already cast or just off that list for some reason.

    Also, Griff/Young Griff almost have to be in because otherwise who is Tyrion going to talk to most of next season before Ser Friendzone? Unless they make a sharp alteration and Varys goes with him, I don’t see it being possible to create an interesting arc out of him, alcohol, and extras without Griff/Young Griff.

    Considering how CRIMINALLY underused Varys has been this season, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him cut for 9 episodes of next season. But ugh, that’d be awful.

  162. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Well HVT, it’s that according to experiences of bloggers, trolls are posters that say something primarily to annoy other posters. Your statement of GoT season 4 is boring viewers requires evidence. Unfortunately the increase in ratings is counter to your theory. Trolls usually provide no evidence in support of their conclusion, therefore it is natural for others to see your statement as trolling. Please include articles or something to back your theory of season 4 is boring to viewers.
    Concerning season five, personally I found the Dornish arc the most entertaining of Feast, and Arianne the most compelling and layered female character in the book series.

  163. Tatters
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Thats why we are getting 7 seasons instead 9.

  164. Abraham
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    F. Murray Abraham is the only Doran Martell:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000719/

    He played Dar Adal in Homeland, Louis CK’s mysterious Mexican uncle in Louie, among a number of other roles (including in Scarface), and he’s always great.

    The campaign for Abraham starts here, and it starts now.

  165. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me Sane,

    I would not worry about Griff, the Iron Island or Tyrion’s arcs, this list is most likely only the early filming locations. (Although they could push Griff back to Season 6 maybe….)

    Earlier this week we learned they were scouting some Spanish locations most likely for Dorne. It doesn’t surprise me that the parts that will be filmed in those locations might get leaked around the same time.

    That said, I think this is still a partial list for Dorne itself. Arianne has to be included, and she will need some supporting cast outside of her family in her arc as well.

  166. Harry Lime
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Well, there’s no way this is a complete list. Why include the Sand Snakes but not Arianne?

    There’s hope for the Greyjoys yet…

  167. Red Helm
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje for Areo Hotah, Ned Dennehy for High Sparrow. As for regular fighting Obara it’s probably either Bronn of ser Meryn taking Balon Swann’s part.

  168. Matt
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t cut Arianne, David and Dan. She’s one of my favorite characters not only within the Dorne storyline but within the whole ASOAIF series overall. I’ve been looking forward to seeing her on the screen for so long, it’d suck if it turned out I was waiting for nothing :(

    I don’t see how cutting her makes sense anyway.

  169. HARmundGiantsbane
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    I came here looking for Greyjoys, but I still left satisfied with Martells and Sands

  170. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Nthing all the people who have pointed out this is not a complete list. It’s very doubtful that Arianne is cut. Quentyn, maybe but considering how complete the Dornish cast is going to be it seems likely he’s in too.

    There’s also a chance that they’re rearranging the order of the events as they’ve done in the past and the Greyjoys are appearing in season 6.

    I don’t see how they can cut Griff and Young Griff. They’re way too important. Unless the “Aegon” plot is a massive red herring and GRRM is trolling us big time. Considering they’ve already taken several castles and brought greyscale into the country, it seems unlikely they will be cut.

    I’m massively excited about Maggy being end. I wonder if they’ll make her Talisa’s grandmother in the show. Since they don’t do flashbacks and haven’t given dreams to anyone but Bran, I too wonder if they’re having her give the valanqor prophecy in the present.

    This post couldn’t have come at a better time. The speculation will keep us busy during the long wait until the next episode.

  171. wycoff
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Mandy Patinkin for Doran Martell!

  172. Arthur
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    I hope D&D cast Areo Hotah as badass black warrior.

    I remember vaguely he was pretty cool in the books and intimidating and I specifically remember picturing him looking something like Peter Mensah from Spartacus or something like that…

    Also, I hope D&D cast some sexy Latinas and some other blacks for these new Dornish characters to diversify the race element on this show a little.

    I know if D&D do this it would make many people I know very happy to have some badass colored people in the show.

  173. Chriss
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    No!!!!! All great Dorne, but no Arriane?! So close to being perfect!

  174. Sean C.
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Bran and Sansa are two characters who seem poised to possibly outstrip their book stories next season, so I’m interested to see what kind of casting we might get for them. In Bran’s case it’s difficult to know what to expect. In Sansa’s, do we get Harry the Heir, for instance? Also, I want to know if we’re getting both Mya Stone and Myranda Royce, one of the two, or some kind of merged version.

  175. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    This is amazing news. I thought that we might get half of these characters at best.

  176. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Besides Arianne, the biggest thing about season five Dorne I am looking forward too is the importance of Myrcella and the increase of exposure to the world of Aimme. The expansion of her role could really send her career upward, quickly, like Maisie and Sophie. Perhaps Ms. Richardson or someone can inform us if she has kept busy with local acting gigs, like school or community stage productions to sharpen and expand her acting abilities.

    I won’t discuss other story arcs outside of Dorne for now, otherwise they will be spoilers because the unsullied do not know the outcome for season four yet.

  177. Dash
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Winter,

    Maybe we get a late prophecy? That could turn Cersei to madness… more madness, i mean

    Also… no Arys Oakheart?

  178. Jared
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Very interesting news. Obviously this isn’t a complete list of every new character that will be in Season 5, so anyone who’s worried about Arianne Martell potentially being cut needs to take a deep breath and let it out … slowly. This list confirms that we’ll be getting a fairly significant arc for Dorne in Season 5, and if Benioff and Weiss are going out of their way to cast all three of the oldest Sand Snakes (whose popularity with fans FAR exceeds the amount of plot that they actually have in the novels), then I can’t imagine that they’ll cut Arianne, who’s arguably the most important POV character in that particular section of the story. Ditto for Young Griff, Jon Connigton, and the Greyjoy uncles (although I care so little about that particular storyline that I won’t mind in the slightest if Benioff and Weiss pare it down significantly).

    With regards to Quentyn, Trystane being aged up does raise the possibility that Quentyn might be cut, but I find it more likely that they’re simply going to Tommen route with Trystane’s character. Being able to cast an older and presumably better actor will give them a degree of freedom that they wouldn’t have otherwise. I expect that Aimee Richardson will be returning.

    When it comes to POV characters who I thought were most likely to be cut or played by a featured extra, Areo Hotah was right at the top of that list (Arys Oakheart and Aeron Grejoy were close behind). I hope that if he’s going to be included, the writers actually give him something resembling a personality. He’s little more than a pair of eyes and an axe in the books.

    I have no idea who Obara could be in line to fight. There aren’t any series regulars in Dorne that I can think of, so maybe a character we know will be taking a trip down there, or else Obara will be traveling elsewhere.

    Very surprised that Maggy the Frog made it into the show. The only reason to include her is for the Cersei prophecy, but the show hasn’t really done flashbacks, so either they’re breaking form or she’s going to be worked in another way.

    Once again, we’ve established that this isn’t a complete list of characters. However, the fact that the Waif was cited here and the Kindly Man was not does make me wonder if the show will be bringing back Tom Wlaschiha as Jaqen H’ghar to fill that role instead. I would actually be very happy with that particular change – he’s a fan favorite and would have a far greater impact on both Arya and Unsullied viewers than yet another new character. And yes, I’m well aware that sending Jaqen back to Braavos would have a significant ripple effect for Sam’s arc in Oldtown, but whatever. Frankly, unless the Oldtown material is MASSIVELY important to the endgame of the series, I would be perfectly fine with seeing it cut entirely.

  179. LordStarkington
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Really wish people would stop freaking out over characters not on the incomplete list, especially Arianne. Of all the characters in the Dorne chapters, do you really think the show would cut HER?

  180. BeautyBrienne
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I place my trust in Nina Gold and the Other Guy whose name I can never remember. May they give us Greyjoys.

  181. BeautyBrienne
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    LordStarkington,

    I love you a little bit right now.

  182. OldeCrone
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t Tyrion say something back in Season 2 that a letter had come saying Myrcella had been befriended by Princess Arianne down in Dorne.

  183. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Chriss,

    The casting of Arianne is the most important decision Nina and D&D will face since the Dragonstone trio. Arainne is that BIG of a role to those unsullied reading this post, therefore the actor selected to fill the part will be the biggest announcement since the summer of 2012. More than likely they already had a short list, contacted those actors and have decided or are close to making a decision.

    OT: BIG NEWS for Florida and S.E. United States fans of GoT, Richard Madden will be appearing at Tampa Bay Comic Con, Aug. 1-3, probably to promote Disney’s new Cinderella remake. Hopefully Maisie and Rory will make a return encore appearance too.

  184. Sean C.
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    I would have bet anything that Maggy the Frog would never be mentioned on the show.

  185. KG
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Ha I’m pleased they’re throwing in one of the Septas.

  186. The Ghost of Nymeria, of House Shaggydog, Breaker of Summer & Lady of the Grey Wind
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    They must be casting Arianne & the Darkstar as well. There’s no way the Sand Snakes can absorb Arianne’s entire plotline & I can’t see any reason why D&D would want them to. Hopefully we’ll hear Aimee Richardson’s returning soon. Still no word on the Greyjoys :(

  187. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I have a theory! This is a list made of solely tier 2 castings. As in, important characters but none of them (except for Doran I guess) are major/POV. The list of tier 1 new castings would include only the major/POV characters and would include Arianne, maybe Quentyn, the Griffs and potentially a couple of Greyjoys. They are all tier 1 characters (as in, either POVs or contenders for the Throne) and none of them are on this list. Coincidence?

  188. AA
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Dream sequences are basically flashbacks, and we haven’t gotten any of those yet so it would break with the narrative structure of the show. We have gotten visions before, though, so I am going to go out on a limb and predict Qyburn gives Cersei some potion that causes her to have some trippy dream-like memory of Maggy the Frog

  189. dragonreborn
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think maggy will be a flashback. it will possibly be like varys & the sorcerer kind of thing.

  190. KG
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    That’s my bet.

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor: on!
      QUOTE  

  191. RDS
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    I guess I always envisioned Areo as a huge Pacific islander for some reason, but I agree with the person who suggested the actor who played Mr. Eko on LOST (I can’t spell his name without looking it up) that he would be good for the role.

  192. cosca
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Most of these characters are fucking terrible. Hopefully D&D manage to make them interesting, because GRRM failed miserably.

  193. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    I don’t see why Cersei can’t talk to Maggy AFTER season 4. She would say the same prophecy yet in a slightly altered context. It doesn’t have to be an event from the past…

  194. Delta1212
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    I don’t think they name-checked any of the Dornish until this season.

  195. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    That is my fear. But why? Why do this? It’s like getting kicked in the fictional nuts… Will they have Trystane seduce Brienne or will we get a gay Arys Oakheart? Lol

  196. Arthur
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    This is really huge news, I think its just starting to sink in…

    I geared myself into thinking expanding to Dorne was something D&D wouldn’t do because I remember them saying something about “The world has gotten as big as its going to get”

    So happy they are bringing us Dorne and this is a huge opportunity for them to bring in other races to an amazing show that is predominantly white.

    Its always a good idea to be inclusive rather then exclusive when it comes to the portrayal of human race.

    Adding some spicy Latin characters and some really cool black characters will only broaden the appeal of the show (if that’s even possible at this point).

    I still can’t believe we are getting THREE Sandsnakes!!!

  197. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    People should remember that the show has yet to cut any important character. Only the most minor characters have been cut. Some have been introduced later (Blackfish, Ramsay, Reeds and now Lollys) some have been changed (Talisa, Locke). Nobody who has an impact on the plot has actually been cut.

  198. cosca
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    That’s probably because the first three books weren’t bloated messes with far too many characters and story lines. It’s different for next season.

  199. azad injejikian
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Winter,

    No flashbacks thus far makes me suspect they’ll rejig The Maggy The Frog material from something in the past to something in the present.

  200. Salty Dornishman
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if the inclusion of Maggy will somehow be tied into her being Sybil (Westerling) Spicer’s grandmother. I know the Westerlings are not part of the show canon, but they may include the new Lord and Lady Castamere for some other purpose – maybe introducing some scheming/unrest in the Westerlands? I always wondered whether Sybil Spicer Westerling had other motivations for her cozying up to the Lannisters related to Cersi having her grandmother killed

  201. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    People should remember that the show has yet to cut any important character.Only the most minor characters have been cut.Some have been introduced later (Blackfish, Ramsay, Reeds and now Lollys) some have been changed (Talisa, Locke).Nobody who has an impact on the plot has actually been cut.

    Well, I am now properly terrified that they are giving Trystane Arianne’s role, but as I said I will swallow a dose of false hope and assume that this list is of tier 2 season 5 castings and excludes the major new characters. It’s also possible that D&D have already cast the big names (Euron, Arianne, Young Griff…).

  202. cosca
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Why would you be terrified that a third tier character is being replaced with a fourth tier character?

  203. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    No way D&D will take a truly empowered feminist character, and such an amazing and layered one, who is actually The heir to a kingdom and replace her with a male one and revise Dorne to a patriarchal structure like the other kingdoms, after all one of the biggest points the books and GoT show have made is the powerful and important roles women play overtly in Dornish politics.

  204. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Theres no way they cut Iron Islands story line. Dorne and them are cruciel. They can cut them down. We dont need Damphair or Quentyn in my opinion If they wanted they could turn Victarion and Euron into one person. I think Isaac Singleston for Areo. He the pirate on Pirates of the Caribbean movie that has the really deep voice. Hed be perfect.

    OH and Arianne wont be cut and this Cosca person im pretty sure must not enjoy this series.

  205. A Warlock
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    They can’t cast a Euron.

    This would confuse the TV audience with having two different actors, especially one day when the big reveal happens. Because Euron is already on screen.

    It is known….well at least to some people…

  206. cosca
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    How is Arianne an amazing and layered character?

  207. Zak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    looks like if it’s the list of the minor new characters of season 5 not the major ones !!
    arianne is an important character for the dorne plot , also the griffs and quentyn for the targaryen storylines
    as for the greyjoys brothers , they might introduce them in season 6

  208. Roger König
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    My first guess about Maggy the Frog would be, that it is something that Bran discovers, since he is quite little to do and i am not sure if there will be any flashbacks..

  209. Strider
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    jentario,
    They couldn’t possibly have cast Euron! Veltigar would have told us the good news already! lol

    And the leak for this rather large Martell contingent does seem to correlate with the location for Dorne news. I’d say that Greyjoys are next.

    Plus it is completely true. I have yet to see a POV character that has not been cast, any of them a character that has been presented in the books. Arienne is a POV. It would a huge exception. So would Quentyn, Areon, Vic, JonCon and Arys Oakheart. That being said, exceptions do happen.

  210. mariamb
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Can’t imagine that Arianne will be cut. Her role – as well as her place among the Martells – is important because Dorne follows equal primogeniture. That custom positions Dorne as different from the rest of the Seven Kingdoms. As Fury says above, the bastard Sand Snakes cannot take her place as the ruling princess.

    Trystane is probably being aged-up to avoid the awkwardness that comes if he appears to be 9 or 12 or 14 or whatever he is in the books. Three Sand Snakes is enough. As for Quentyn, we could probably lose him and his storyline without sacrificing crucial plot elements.

    This is great information. I prefer to enjoy it and speculate on “who will play who” rather than worry about what characters will be dropped. I imagine that we will see the Iron Islands with Yara hopefully headed back home for the Kingsmoot and Griff and Young Griff.

  211. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    This guy for Darkstar maybe. If they cast him
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2057036/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

  212. Annara Snow
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    LMAO at the idea that they would cut Arianne, of all characters.

    It’s so silly that I can’t believe people are even discussing it.

    Yes, GRRM mentioned he thought we would see Doran and the Sand Snakes, but not that we would see Arianne. Why? Probably because he never thought that anyone would doubt that we would see Arianne!

  213. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    What is the point of shitting all over the books and/or the show? They’re adapting AFFC/ADWD. You knew this day was coming. Can’t you either deal with or don’t watch the show and read the series anymore instead of making every effort to turn the comments section into a cesspool of negativity?

    Since more than one person is acting like this, this isn’t being directed at any one person. Just a general plea for basic decency.

  214. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    Because Trystane is essential since he is already betrothed to Myrcella. Here he is aged up and made “handsome” which is odd. On top of that, you can easily see the motivation he would have to crowning her since he is he husband to be. This paired with Arianne not making this list and GRRM’s list of characters he is sure will make the cut (he said Sand Snakes, Doran and Areo Hotah IIRC) is notable.

    Also, I would argue that Arianne is a great character since she’s essentially the good Cersei. Or rather a morphed Margery. She is the heir to Dorne, but is suspicious of her father giving the title away to her brother. She is in many ways similar to Oberyn (although less calculating, and not really a fighter). Her daddy issues offer great drama. I see her a bit like an Arya that uses sex as her weapon. She also has a lot of character development- her mentality flips from thoughtless, fearless action to tons of doubt to the point of overthinking things. Also, without her you eliminate the theme of Dornish female equality- if Trystane replaces her, it’s just a male heir.

    But obviously it’s all subjective.

  215. SHJH
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    they have included Areo Hotah. the guy every one were sure is going to be omitted. there is no way there are going to cut Arianne now.
    Also after a few mentions of the Golden Company i have a feeling we are going to some version of their invasion and Young Griff

    have they cut a POV character before? i can’t remember.

  216. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza777: Tereeza

    Isnt Mila Kunis pregnant? not sure if that would work

  217. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Ellaria may be replacing Arianne, now it makes sense why they cast Indira Varma. Maggy the Frog being cast means we may be seeing our first flashback on the show. I’m glad to hear that, normally they skip the prophecy stuff so I figured this would be cut. If they did include it I figured they would just have Cersei talk about it but this is even better.

  218. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    That was in the books, not in the show.

  219. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    You dont have to argue. Arianne is an extremely interesting character. that person is just trolling you

  220. Arthur
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Do you think Indira Varma character may be playing a fast one on King’s Landing? Lieing to them about who she is, when indeed she is a princess of Dorne?

    That would be interesting…

  221. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I don’t even think Bran will be in next season. I think his storyline will be done in the show for a while after this season.

  222. vdevil
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Just to inspire George, here are some ideas for last line proposals for the series. Based on existing closing lines of other works, but with a dark twist. Mild spoilers/hints to events to come, so be warned.

    “Wizard of Oz”
    Oh, but anyway, Reek, we’re home – home! And this is my room – and you Starks are all here – and I’m not going to leave here ever, ever again, because I love you all! And… oh, My father lord of Bolton and the north, there’s no place like home!

    “1984”
    Cersei loved her little brother.

    “Through the looking glass”
    But Ser Pounce, king of the seven kingdoms, shifted around on the iron throne and began on the other paw, and pretended it didn’t hear the question

    “The Hobbit”
    “You are a very fine person, Mr. Lannister, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!”, said Varys. ‘Thank goodness!’ said Tyrion laughing, and shot a crossbow bolt through his bowels.

    “Harry Potter”
    His scars and what little remained of his limbs had hurt Theon for nineteen winters. All was hell.

    “Animal Farm”
    “Hot Pie looked from Frey to cake, and from cake to Frey, and from Frey to cake again, but it was impossible to tell which was which”

  223. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Well, I personally love the Dorne chapters. So I’m super excited with these news. Especially because they’ve included my favorite side (unimportant) character, Nymeria Sand.

    I hope they also include Lady Barbrey Dustin. I really enjoy her scenes with Theon in the books.

  224. NedsHead
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Call it wishful thinking, and I know they haven’t mentioned it, but I think for the kindly man of Braavos, they should cast Ian Mckellen. Having him on the show would be the most epic thing ever.

  225. WymanFTW
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    I’d be disappointed if Arianne doesn’t appear, but why is no one talking about the lack of Wyman Manderly, our favorite cannibal?

  226. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    That would be incestuous, not interesting. And I doubt Ellaria was set up to replace Arianne- she lacks the family ties to pick up the role and if anything D&D would have cut Ellaria and sent Arianne with her uncle to King’s Landing.

  227. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    We do not Hodor: Trystane is most likely aged up because Aimee Richardson is what 16 or so?

    yes this. I don’t think it’s anything more complex than that all the other young characters are older so why would Trystane still be so young.

  228. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    People aren’t complaining about season 4, people are loving it because it is the best season yet.

  229. Strider
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    HAH! Cosca doesn’t troll on this one! That’s his honest to goodness opinon. Always has been since he stepped foot on the site (maybe it should be typed first word on the site?). And he’s obvioulsy expressing it as he should. Not that he’s right, mind you. Totally wrong about Dorne. And about the books too.

  230. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Red Helm:
    Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje for Areo Hotah, Ned Dennehy for High Sparrow. As for regular fighting Obara it’s probably either Bronn of ser Meryn taking Balon Swann’s part.

    I prefer Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje for Moqorro!

    I love that we’re getting the High Sparrow, and Maggy! And Dorne! Everyone here who is freaking out, consider we didn’t know if we were going to get this entire arc at all. We’re getting the head, the tail…the whole damn thing. (Ok, we need Arianne, but still.)

  231. wizardeyes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I have a feeling that the show will want to link the Dornish characters to the King’s Landing plot.

    Either Ellaria doesn’t leave KL – she sticks around – maybe even takes a seat on the small council.
    Or Lady Nym goes to KL way earlier than in the books.

  232. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Yes, people DO have to use spoiler coding in this thread, FYI.

  233. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: There’s also a chance that they’re rearranging the order of the events as they’ve done in the past and the Greyjoys are appearing in season 6.

    This is certainly possible. You can leave them pretty much off-screen for all of Season 5. If the battle of Meereen takes place around Ep 3 of Season 6, you can intro Victarion in 6.1 and a one-line “Victarion left 9 months ago” type bit can be thrown in to say why he’s close to Slaver’s Bay. It’s doable.

  234. north man
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    what about the north?

  235. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Say, Fury, what are the odds that this list is specifically for lesser castings (as in guest cast or whatever) and that they have another list for the bigger names (all of which are missing, except for Doran)?

  236. wizardeyes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    I think the costume department are going to have a lot of fun dressing Arianne and the sand snakes.

  237. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    People should remember that the show has yet to cut any important character.Only the most minor characters have been cut.Some have been introduced later (Blackfish, Ramsay, Reeds and now Lollys) some have been changed (Talisa, Locke).Nobody who has an impact on the plot has actually been cut.

    DO NOT DISRESPECT STRONG BELWAS! HE WAS…aw, forget it. It’s not happening.

  238. Joh
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    Right?

    I love what they’ve done with Oberyn and Ellaria’s costumes this season. The Dorne scenes next season will be so beautiful.

  239. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    WymanFTW:
    I’d be disappointed if Arianne doesn’t appear, but why is no one talking about the lack of Wyman Manderly, our favorite cannibal?

    it doesn’t matter that they didn’t mention him because THEY ARE CASTING BRIAN BLESSED WHO HAS ALREADY SWALLOWED ANY MENTION OF HIM BY SOURCES WITH HIS MIGHTY VOICE!!

  240. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    jentario: Say, Fury, what are the odds that this list is specifically for lesser castings (as in guest cast or whatever) and that they have another list for the bigger names (all of which are missing, except for Doran)?

    It’s definitely not broken down that way. There may be other characters cast eventually (or previously), but they aren’t divided into major and minor sections. This one isn’t anyway, that I’m sure of. The Snakes are multiepisode roles along with Doran, for example. The High Sparrow will be around quite a bit. And then we have one-offs like Maggy.

  241. Ross
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    There’s no way they will do Maggy the Frog as a flashback. They’ve set a pretty established precedent with flashbacks – i.e. they don’t do them.

    When they list new characters like this it does feel like the world is expanding so much. But we have remember the number who die or disappear each season. Hopefully it won’t get out of control. I am worried about Season 5 purely from the point of view of the source material – definitely the writers’ biggest test yet.

  242. Sheriff Bullock
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I swear if we get Maggy the Frog and no Victarion or Euron I will be done with this show.

  243. Lord of the Waters
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Imogen Poots for Tyene Sand. I know shes pretty busy these days but for a role this size it shouldn’t be a problem for her schedule.

  244. Greenjones
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    azad injejikian,

    Exactly.In her paranoid post-Tywin death emotional state Cersei could go to Maggy the Frog then. The show doesn`t do flash backs and it isn`t very hard to shift that scene to the present tence.

  245. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Agreed on seeing AA-A being Moqorro more so..

    Hoenstly, though I’m more thrown by them casting him black. Perfectly OK with it, but I always pictured him white. Being a Bearded Priest of Norvos, (where Arianne, Quentyn and Trystane’s mother is from) made me picture him lighter skinned.
    *Shrug*

    How they cast Areo’s ethnicity is completely unimportant to me, I’m just glad he will be cast. I think Areo will be a relatively unknown actor in the end. Fairly small role really.

  246. Sheepstealer
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    I would not be overly concerned about Arianne. She is after all central for the Dorne plot (as is Ser Arys Oakheart). I can’t see an aged up Trystane replacing both her and Quentyn, especially since he lacks some of Ariannes most redeeming qualities…

    It is by the way very pleasing to see that they are looking for hispanic/latin american actors for the Dornish, thus continuing the trend set up with Oberyn.

    These would be my top choices for some of the confirmed roles (though I cannot say anything about availability issues):

    Doran Martell:

    Patricio Contreras (a chilean actor): http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Esteban%2BLarrain%2BPatricio%2BContreras%2BPortrait%2BwMJPwMCT6IZl.jpg

    Lluis Homar(He might not resemble Oberyn to much, but he certainly got the skills and gravitas to pull of the role): http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/lluis_homar/fotos/5880/lluis_homar.jpg

    Obara Sand:

    The abovementioned fight leaves me kind of clueless. The only logical option would be Meryn Trant, which could mean he is going to take over part of Balonn Swanns role (delivering the Mountains head, going on a hunt for Darkstar (if included) with Obara, thereby getting his head smashed)

    Zuleikha Robinson would be a good fit (+ this would bring another Rome alumni to GOT): http://info-cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/gaia-zuleikha-robinson-rome.jpg

    Nymeria Sand:

    Leonor Varela (She is chilean like Pedro Pascal and certainly looks the part): http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2465507840/nm0007237?ref_=nm_phs_md_1

    Tyene Sand:

    I have two actresses in mind who could deliver both her sweet and treacherous side.

    Emily Haigh: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2573585152/nm3241196?ref_=nm_ov_ph

    Freya Mavor: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1103865856/nm4087606?ref_=nm_ov_ph

    Areo Hotah:

    Eriq Ebouaney could be the one, though he seems rather busy at the moment (judging by his IMDB record): http://www.imdb.com/media/rm569692416/nm0248254?ref_=nmmd_md_nxt

    The High Sparrow:

    I would absolutely love to see John Hawkes on GOT. He was outstanding as Teardrop in Winter’s Bone and has been cast by HBO before (Deadwood). This might just be wishful thinking but he is known for specializing on supporting roles and would be a great High Sparrow: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2136384256/nm0370035?ref_=nm_phs_md_1

    Another option would be Julian Bleach, who was fordmidable as Niccolò Machiavelli on the Borgias: http://www.braidman.com/communities/7/004/006/882/837/images/4600369090.swf

    I think we will get more informations on the Greyjoys and other characters soon. There will necessarily be a few dissapointments but seeing as they confirmed the likes of Yezzan and Septa Unella, I am very hopefull others like the Queen Grace or even the Nightswatch commanders Cotter Pyke and Ser Denys Mallister will follow.

  247. Myrish Swamp Thing
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Oh joy, Maggy the Stupid Plot Device is being cast.

    Obviously, this is a partial list. We´re going to see Arianne, a lot of Arianne ;)

    Seconding the desire for more news about Manderly.

  248. kimkokuii
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Cheese Souffle:
    OK, serious post now, RE: Lollys. It makes me wonder less about whether Bronn will return and more about what he’ll be doing. Lots of people wondered last season if he’d be taking Ilyn Payne’s role on Jaime’s victory tour of the Riverlands, but Lollys’ casting sounds like they might be sticking closer to the books. (Of course, this doesn’t preclude Bronn from continuing with Jaime and just bringing Lollys along for the ride.)

    Yep, Bronn will either accompany Jaime in the Riverlands or – and I think this is more likely – he’ll remain in KL and incorporate a lot of the plot points that the Kettleblacks serve and possibly those of Aurane Waters too? Essentially he’ll be a KL player and ally of Cersei’s know that he’s been raised to a lordship via his marriage to Lollys. Jerome Flynn rocks the sh!t out of GOT

  249. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    OMG Where’s Spotted Sylvia???

    lulz

  250. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock,

    Euron has already shown up this season :p

  251. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    If people believe this is the entire new character list for season 5, then I have a bridge in San Francisco I’d like to sell you.

  252. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock,

    No offense, but that didn’t even make sense. Maggy will be a third tier character at best; if Victarion or Euron are in, they will be main characters. Always the same thing happens when small characters are cast over some who are more important. People don’t consider that these small characters are there to interact with already established major characters, while these other new characters have their own completely new storylines. The way D&D are adapting the series, particularly in the last few seasons, consists of stripping down the details and subplots and focusing on character development through, for example, interesting character interactions; most of the show is comprised of conversations between two people. Adding a whole new story line is a much greater commitment.

    I’m not saying they are not adding in the Greyjoy story line… what I’m saying is that if they don’t, it’s not because they are casting minor characters such as Maggy. In the end, I’d rather have some subplots gone and storylines stripped down if that means that we can focus on character development. If D&D were to add everything, yes, it would be a more faithful adaptation on the surface, but it’d also be completely terrible, with no time for the small character-building scenes the show is known for.

  253. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m still holding out hope they will have Jaqen replace the role of the Kindly Man in Arya’s storyline. Sadly, I think the actor who played him is busy though.

  254. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Lord of the Waters,

    She is an actress I would love to see as Tyene as well!
    Like you said though, busy busy actress!

    I watched the new season of 24 last week and thought Emily Berrington could fit the role pretty well!

    Gabriella Wilde is another actress I think would be perfect for the role.

    Who knows, maybe Nina will hit the House of Anubis well again (Eugene Simon) and cast Nathalia Ramos as Tyene! XD

  255. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Are people kidding with the Daario=Euron thing? Is it some kind of inside joke, laughing at some of the more ridiculous theories out there? God I sure hope so… I mean, it doesn’t even make any sense. At all. They are are two different places at roughly the same time in some parts of the story lines in the books! “Magic”, I know. But it’ be one of the most ridiculous plot-twists ever. I didn’t even want to spoiler-tag it, but some people are really strict about that kind of thing… even if it’s just a theory… a very stupid theory.

  256. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    There are no Northern characters on this list. No Ironborn. No Griff and Young Griff, who will be in, I don’t care what an anonymous poster who claims he “knows things” says. The Golden Company has been name dropped several times this season. They are in. They will not exclude Varys’ plot, not after building him up with Littlefinger as the two secretive puppet masters.

  257. serum
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    My vote would be for Peter Mensah!

  258. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    If people believe this is the entire new character list for season 5, then I have a bridge in San Francisco I’d like to sell you.

    I HAVE A BRIAN BLESSED TO SELL YOU!!!

  259. Sean C.
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Sean C.,

    I don’t even think Bran will be in next season.I think his storyline will be done in the show for a while after this season.

    No chance of that. The show doesn’t drop main characters in that manner.

  260. Sheriff Bullock
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Luka Nieto,

    Offense taken, it makes sense.

  261. John-Michael Lelievre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    And what about Darkstar? >.<

  262. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Something interesting I noticed over on IMDB, Natalie Tena’s name has been inserted into the cast for episode 10 “The Children”, which is very intriguing.

  263. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Luka Nieto,

    It’s not a joke it’s fact. They are never at the same place at the same time. If fits

  264. BlackTalon
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Agreed on seeing AA-A being Moqorro more so..

    Hoenstly, though I’m more thrown by them casting him black. Perfectly OK with it, but I always pictured him white.

    WHy would you be thrown by that? I am pretty sure that Moqorro is described as being black as coal in the books.

  265. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Sheriff Bullock,

    So… no comments on my analysis on how D&D tend to adapt the books? They themselves have said they’d rather focus on already established characters and bring in other new ones around them. Just saying “Yes it makes sense, offense taken” doesn’t really allow for a conversation.

  266. Luka Nieto
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Wow. Now it has been elevated to “fact”, not just a fan theory? Even if it fits perfectly (which I don’t think it does, but that’s another story), that doesn’t make it automatically true! But okay, man… whatever floats your boat. We’ll just have to wait and see who is right.

  267. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    BlackTalon,

    Unclear writing on my part… My bad!
    I meant I was more surprised they were casting Areo as black… Not Moqorro.

  268. GaiusB
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Great news, a lot od Dorne. I am very pleased. Also i am glad they specified ages, because it was tiresome to read all those crazy casting suggestions with 30+ years old sand snakes.

    I am not worried about Arianne at all. She is major character and they probably already casted her. I am also glad no recasting for Myrcella, the original actress was perfect for that role. I would be more worried about Iron islanders. They seems to be willing to change a lot in this storyline.

  269. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Concerning Daario, his story in Dances is virtually over, because it has been drastically altered from the books, with the exception of a wedding which might not occur now that a particular groom as been sent to Yunkai.
    Warning, just a possible theoretical approach: Who knows. Word reaches Dany that Daario brokered some deal with the Yunkai, gave control of the 2nd Sons to Hizdahr, who now aligns with Yunkai. Meanwhile last reports indicate Daario with some object he procured in the deal was last scene leaving on a ship.
    Yara is sailing homeward when her ship is overtaken by another at night, she is awakened by a man placing a blade at her throat, “It’s been a long time Yara”, startled, she exclaims, “Uncle Daario”.

  270. Only Your Sister Wrister
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    This is awesome. STOKED! Just what we needed to make it through this two week wait…

    Where is Randyll Tarly? Season 6?

  271. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    serum,

    My vote would be for Peter Mensah.

    I approve of this choice. Also D’mode’s pick of Emily Berrington as Tyene and also Antonia Thomas as Nymeria.

  272. BlackTalon
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    BlackTalon,

    Unclear writing on my part… My bad!
    I meant I was more surprised they were casting Areo as black… Not Moqorro.

    Ah, OK. I have to admit THAT came as a surprise to me too.

  273. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Luka Nieto,

    Also fact is we will see Ser Gregor vs The Hound round 2 during Cersei’s Trial by combat

  274. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Something’s off with the site. My comments are not posting

  275. Ser Davos Seaworth
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    All Possible New Characters for Season 5
    KEY – Class A is a starring cast member, someone with their name in the opening credits
    Class B is top of the guest star list
    Class C is middle of the guest star list
    Class D is a glorified extra

    DORNE ARC
    Arianne Martell – A – Nudity!
    Doran Martell – B
    Arys Oakheart – B – Nudity!
    Qwentyn Martell – B
    Aero Hotah – C
    Gerold Dayne – C
    Trystane Martell – C – Nudity? (aged up…)
    Obara Sand – C – Nudity?
    Nymeria Sand – C- Nudity?
    Tyene Sand – C – Nudity?
    Gerris Drinkwater – D
    Archibald Yronwood – D
    Extra Sand Snakes – D
    with Myrcella Baratheon – C – RETURNING, Nudity? (depends on age…)

    GREYJOY ARC
    Victarion Greyjoy – A – Nudity? (sex with Dusky Woman…)
    Euron Greyjoy – B
    Aeron Greyjoy – C
    Rodrik Harlaw – C
    Dusky Woman – D – Nudity!
    Tristofer Botley – D
    Qarl – D – Nudity? (sex with YarAsha…)
    Alannys Harlaw – D
    Talbert Serry – D
    Other Kingsmoot Contenders – D
    Euron’s Foreign Crew – D

    TYRION ARC
    Griff/Jon Connington – B
    Young Griff/Aegon – B
    Penny – B
    Septa Lemore – C – Nudity!
    Rolly Duckfield – C
    Haldon Halfmeister – C
    Moqorro – C
    Yezzan – D
    Nurse – D
    Sweets – D – Nudity? (might be a little strange…)
    Yandry – D
    Ysilla – D
    Whores – D – Nudity!
    with Illyrio Mopatis – C – RETURNING

    KL ARC
    Taena Merryweather – C – Nudity!
    High Sparrow – C
    A Combination Kettleblack – C – Nudity?
    Lollys Stokeworth – C – Nudity?
    Randyll Tarly – C
    Harys Swyft – D
    Gyles Rosby – D
    Orton Merryweather – D
    Aurane Waters – D
    Paxter Redwyne – D
    Addam Marbrand – D
    Maggy the Frog – D
    Septa Unella – D
    with Kevan Lannister – C – RETURNING

    WALL ARC
    Val – C – Nudity?
    Satin – C – Nudity? (he was a whore once… BUT he might be replaced by the kid)
    Bowen Marsh – C – (Brian Fortune is Othel Yarwyck)
    Dareon – C – Nudity? (sex with whores in Braavos)
    Cotter Pyke – D – (At Castle Black for the election)
    Denys Mallister – D – (At Castle Black for the election)
    Alys Karstark – D – Nudity? (sex with Sigorn)
    Sigorn – D – Nudity? (sex with Alys)
    Leathers – D
    Various Wildlings – D
    with Lord of Bones – D – RETURNING, unless he already reappears in s4 ep9

    BATTLE OF WINTERFELL ARC
    Jeyne Poole/Fake Arya – B – Nudity!
    Wyman Manderley – C
    Justin Massey – D – Nudity? (eventual sex with YarAsha if they marry)
    Maege Mormont – D
    Lady Dustin – D
    Various Northern Lords – D
    Various Freys – D
    with Greatjon Umber – C – RETURNING, could replace Mors Crowfood Umber as Stannis’ ally. He could die in battle if Book Greatjon dies as frey captive and tie up loose end.

    MEEREEN ARC
    Green Grace – C
    Shaveplate – C
    Brown Ben Plumm – C
    Reznak Reznak – D
    Tattered Prince – D
    Hero – D
    More Windblown Sellswords – D
    Various Slavers – D
    Various Slaves – D
    Pit Fighters – D
    with Xaro Xhoan Daxos – C – RETURNING, we never saw him die and it is possible he could return for his scene.

    EYRIE ARC
    Harrold Haryng – C – Nudity? (possible future sex with sansa if they marry)
    Mya Stone – C – Nudity?
    Lyn Corbray – C – Unless ‘Vance Corbray’ is the show version
    Maester Coleman – D
    Various Vale Lords – D
    Lothor Brune – D

    EXTRAS
    Lem Lemoncloak – C – a BwB member needs to act as the ‘hound’ in their Jaime trap. And with Berric leaving, Lem, Thoros and Anguy nicely complete the brotherhood.
    The Kindly Man – C
    The Waif – D – Nudity? (they want an ‘older actress in her late teens, therefore 18+)
    Various Braavosi Contacts/Targets for Arya – D
    Braavosi Whores – D – (Maybe Saladoor Saan’s female companions will return?)
    Shitmouth – D

    Only a fraction of these will actually be cast. I hope the above list puts the sheer amount of new characters from aFfC and aDwD into perspective.

  276. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Yezzan… Yes!

    Tho I don’t really see GRRM playing him in a cameo, GRMM has sort of a “Santa” feeling to him, which doesn’t fit too well with the Yellow Whale as I imagined him from the books. He could manage the physical aspect of the role (he loves food after all) and the rest can be done by makeup - I’m looking at you, skin disease, but I just don’t think he can do the YZQ character and mannerisms.

    Offtopic: that Santa reference reminded me of this jewel:
    http://www.dorkly.com/post/57684/im-dreaming-of-a-red-christmas

  277. CrashProcter
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Wy are they looking for an actor to play Areo Hotah? Peter Mensah is Areo Hotah. No one else will suffice.

  278. TonyGen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Wow, I thought a lot of Dorne characters would be cut since they are trying to finish in 7 seasons. Surprised that they are clearly devoting a lot of time to that plotline.

    I’m most excited for the casting of Griff and Young Griff however.

    Also if I don’t hear casting notices about tons of Greyjoys I won’t be upset. To me something has to be cut down for the sake of the show, might as well make it the Iron Island plotline.

  279. Sean C.
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Ser Davos Seaworth:
    Jeyne Poole/Fake Arya – B – Nudity!

    Much as this show likes nudity, I doubt there’ll be much enthusiasm for it in this instance, unless something has gone dreadfully wrong.

  280. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    The ammount of focus they’re apparently dedicating to Dorne makes me think Arianne and Doran will play major roles in the last books, which MUST mean that Young Griff will also be important, so I’m sure he’ll be cast along with Jon Con.

    Also, the fact that they’re including all 3 sand snakes instead of just one representing them all makes me wonder as well. Maybe Nymeria and Tyene will BOTH play major roles in King’s Landing in the final books, since they’re heading there.

  281. mal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Been excited about the Dorne women since my top choice Indira was cast as Ellaria. I’ve seen Uleikha Robinson as a choice for one of the Sand Snakes (online), but she’s in her late 30′s, but I like her look.

    Too bad I can’t post pics

  282. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Ser Davos Seaworth,

    We know there won’t be as many new characters as season 3 introduced. So come up with a list of 20-25 new main characters, at most.

  283. Mursk
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Obara Sand vs. Meryn Trant, just so! I can’t think of any other series regular that she’d end up facing off with unless they have her travel outside of Dorne. Or maybe she’s just going to fight Hotah and get beat and locked up to keep her under control?

  284. hath4
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Well I only see 8 major characters being added Doran, Arianne,Euron,Vic,Aegon,Jon Con, The Kindly Man and Wyman Manderly, All the rest are just side characters.

  285. Sean C.
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Mursk:

    Obara Sand vs. Meryn Trant, just so! I can’t think of any other series regular that she’d end up facing off with unless they have her travel outside of Dorne. Or maybe she’s just going to fight Hotah and get beat and locked up to keep her under control?

    Quote

    Meryn Trant isn’t a series regular. That term has a specific meaning.

  286. Nick_Scryer
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Exciting news! Good to see we’re getting Dorne in some capacity. I am worried though that we’ll get too much Dorne though and it will detract from the other storylines. My unsullied friends and family already have a hard time keeping up with the characters names and motivations.

    I definitely don’t envy the writers right now. Still though, exciting times!

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, I agree with those who’ve expressed sadness that Maggy the Frog is in. That prophecy was one of the things I disliked in AFFC along with the glamor in ADWD.

  287. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    hath4,

    By major, I mean named characters who will have multiple speaking roles and will be credited on the show. Jojen and Meera aren’t necessarily main characters, but the audience knows their names and they are featured multiple times. The same goes for characters like Locke,Ser Alliser,Janos Slynt, etc..

  288. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    I’ll just rattle off characters who I think could be included in season 5:

    Doran
    Arianne
    Trystanne
    Areo
    Obarra
    Nymeria
    Tyene
    Quentyn
    Gerris

    Griff
    Young Griff
    Halfmaester
    Septa Lemore

    Euron
    Victarion
    Dusky Woman

    Wyman Manderly
    Wyla Manderly
    Fake Arya
    Barbary Dustin

    The Kindly Man
    The Waif

    The High Sparrow
    Septon Unella

    That is 24 new recurring characters, and does not include any potential new NW, wildling, or KL characters. I suppose 3 or 4 of the smaller characters could be axed from my list, but I’m probably missing 5-10 others. I don’t see how season 5 doesn’t feature as many new characters as season 3 did.

  289. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer:
    Exciting news! Good to see we’re getting Dorne in some capacity. I am worried though that we’ll get too much Dorne though and it will detract from the other storylines. My unsullied friends and family already have a hard time keeping up with the characters names and motivations.

    I definitely don’t envy the writers right now. Still though, exciting times!

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, I agree with those who’ve expressed sadness that Maggy the Frog is in. That prophecy was one of the things I disliked in AFFC along with the glamor in ADWD.

    Yeah, next season could be VERY complex and challenging for show-only viewers. Intrigue in Dorne, intrigue in Meereen, intrigue in Kings Landing could all kinda blur together for the show-only viewers…

    Seems like D&D and BCog are doubling down, not taking the easy way out at least with regards to Dorne and embracing it rather than cutting.

  290. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    really interesting to see this! Some great news, and some slightly concerning. I think there is no way Arianne will be left out of a Dornish storyline, especially as she will provide nudity- which always win showrunners over!
    I’m suprised by a lot of those tbh, three sand snakes, areo hotah, maggy the frog, Yezzan. I thought that at least a few of those would be cut. I just hope they havent gotten rid of some of the characters that are not on that list (particularlyJC and Aegon, but I think they’ll be fine, its the greyjoy bros i worry about, you’d have thought at least one out of those storylines would find their way to the list) It slightly disappointing but predictable that they’ve made Areo black (my pet GoT peeve is replacing characters who would be arabic ethnicity with blacks, its a blatant attempt to pander too the increased black audience in the US at the expense of asians, at least they’ve refrained from casting any westerosi as black)

  291. Sean C.
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    Barbrey Dustin is probably an easy cut unless she has some big role in the future. The Halfmaester and Lemore as well.

  292. King Stannis
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    I must laugh at the people freaking out already. Season 4 is not even done yet and of course there’s more to casting to come. Relax!

    @Hoyti Von Totiy. Speak for yourself! People are loving season 4 and has been positive with critics,ratings and fans regardless of couple changes. Of course some great stuff is yet to come as well. You seem to just come and troll every chance you get

  293. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    As good a list as any!
    Maybe a couple new names at the Wall if they do not substitute Janos Slynt and Thorne for Cotter Pyke and Mallister etc… A couple of the lords and ladies maybe too depending on what they do with Jaime and Brienne next year.

    When I was trying to picture Seasons 5 and 6 I figured at least 35-40 new characters with most being in Season 5

  294. Turncloak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    I saw a disturbing theory that the main point of the Euron/Victorian plot lines is to have Dany end up with the Dragon Horn. Hope this is not the case but that end game does make sense

  295. Critical Geek
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    I want me some Quentin Martell, but I can wait till 6th season to introduce him and his crew, on the way to seduce the dragon queen.

  296. Ours is the furry
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    It’s kind of stupid to assume that this list is somehow a complete list of characters that will be introduced next year and that any omission from this preliminary list means that character won’t be appearing at all. Chill, people.

    This is just the first round of information about season 4 that WIC got their hands on.

  297. Sean C.
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Critical Geek: I want me some Quentin Martell, but I can wait till 6th season to introduce him and his crew, on the way to seduce the dragon queen.

    There’s no way that Dany’s plot is going to be moving that slowly. They’ll be basically done with AFFC/ADWD after season 5.

  298. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Critical Geek:
    I want me some Quentin Martell, but I can wait till 6th season to introduce him and his crew, on the way to seduce the dragon queen.

    Trystane may well play that role now, though obviously it could end up changed, for example could be he goes to bring her back to westeros (maybe in s6 instead depending on how danys plotline plays out in S5) instead of marry her, cant think of anything that would change massively. Plus, of all the relatively big characters left to cast, Quentyn is probably one of the ones I (and probably people in general) care less about.

  299. Nick_Scryer
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I thought the point was for Dany to end up with Vic’s Ironborn fleet, the show has cut that out though since Daario took the Meereenese navy.

  300. DornishGirl
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Edward James Olmos as Prince Doran Martell, pleeeeeeeease! He would be so perfect.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001579/

    So sad Michael Clarke Duncan is no longer with us. He would have been an excellent Areo Hotah.

  301. cosca
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think this a far more realistic list:

    Doran
    Trystanne
    Areo
    Obarra
    Nymeria
    Tyene
    VicEuron.
    Wyman Manderly
    Fake Arya
    The Kindly Man
    The Waif
    The High Sparrow
    Septon Unella

  302. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    I just can’t imagine them cutting Griff/Young Griff. What is the point of Varys and all of his scenes with Littlefinger and his scene with Illyrio in season 1, if they cut out his master plan? Not to mention the Golden Company name drops this season.

  303. SM4e
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,
    Well, you have to think in terms of interaction. Who shall Theon interact all season long? His arc is probably the 3rd/4th most important in ADWD and we need other interaction than psychopatic Ramsay and super-frightened Jeyne.

    SHJH,
    They have cut Chett and probably Merett Frey, so basicly only Proloque and Epiloque PoVs.

    Arthur,

    So Oberyn had sex with his brother’s daughter? Urgh. :D

  304. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think it’s more like this:

    YES:
    Doran
    Arianne
    Trystanne
    Areo
    Obarra
    Nymeria
    Tyene
    Quentyn – I’m on the fence, but probably.
    Maggy
    The High Sparrow
    Septon Unella
    Griff
    Young Griff
    Septa Lemore
    Euron
    Victarion
    Dusky Woman
    Wyman Manderly – BRIAN BLESSED! THE FAMED ICE JEWEL!!
    Wyla Manderly – Yes, she’s going to be a cute one for one scene. It’ll be good for sure if Davos actually says, “There goes my only friend in the room.”
    Fake Arya
    The Waif

    NO:
    Gerris – easily cuttable
    Halfmaester – Boat trip can be Tyrion, Varys for part of it, Griff, Young Griff, Septa Lemore. That’s enough.
    Barbary Dustin – Easily cut.
    The Kindly Man – I know what you’ll say, but to me that’s an easy one, replace with Jaqen. Brings that familiar character back, the actor was terrific, and they had great chemistry.

  305. Delta1212
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Oh please give us Wyman the Pie man.

  306. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    THE WAIF! I’m so excited!

  307. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    NomadicDirewolf: It slightly disappointing but predictable that they’ve made Areo black (my pet GoT peeve is replacing characters who would be arabic ethnicity with blacks, its a blatant attempt to pander too the increased black audience in the US at the expense of asians, at least they’ve refrained from casting any westerosi as black)

    Areo Hotah’s skin color was never specified in AFFC, so they could have chosen to give him any look for the show. He is from Norvos, not from Dorne or any part of Westeros. No one is casting a black actor “at the expense of Asians.” They could have made him literally any skin color or ethnicity, so chill.

  308. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Just a thought, perhaps because of the size and scope of Dorne and D&D not cutting the cast in the least, but possibly expanding it, could HBO be considering a spin-off running parallel to GoT, after season five. Just a thought, but it would be intriguing.
    Game of Thrones: Dorne, coming in 2016.

    Political Intrigue…check
    Sex…check
    8 beautiful, deadly and intelligent daughters…check
    Power playing Prince, sexy daughter and handsome son…check
    Colorful and dangerous adversaries…check
    Lannister…check
    Knights, sellswords and assassins…check
    Exotic locales…check
    Violence…check
    Adult drama…check
    Built-in fan and viewer base…check
    In place crew and facilities…check

  309. urmumate
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    I have to say it seems like a lot of these “who should be cast” lists that people are posting are heavily influenced by people’s personal preferences more so than what is essential to the plot. E.g. leaving out relatively important characters from one storyline in favor of more minor characters in another. Not that this is anything new.

  310. Huck
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    DornishGirl,

    Loved him in Battlestar Galactica. How likely is this, though? Isn’t he slightly too well known?

  311. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    cosca,

    I just can’t imagine them cutting Griff/Young Griff. What is the point of Varys and all of his scenes with Littlefinger and his scene with Illyrio in season 1, if they cut out his master plan? Not to mention the Golden Company name drops this season.

    Agreed. They won’t.

    To reiterate: They haven’t cut any major plotlines yet.

  312. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I know it has been said many times over the past few years but Season 5 might be the tallest hurdle for the ultimate success of GOT. Not so much in terms of ratings but critically. There is real potential to make improvements on AFFC and ADWD but there is also a chance that the show overdoes it with new characters and plotlines and the focus gets lost along the way. In some ways it could feel like a brand new show.

    Structurally they might have to shift more to “pods” of episodes where you don’t carry arcs through a whole season. Like say the Greyjoys only appear in episodes 3-6 and then you don’t see them again until season six. They could concentrate storylines into short bursts instead of stretching them out. They could do the same thing in Dorne. Include most of the characters from the books but only have the storyline run from episodes 1-5 or something. Then only the continuing arcs Kings Landing, the Wall, Meereen, etc would be the ones to last all season long. Otherwise you’d have to cut back and forth from 12 – 15 different storylines. Could turn into a jumbled mess. I can see why Benioff said Season 5 gives him nightmares.

  313. Anne
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Every chapter is better than the previous one. This season is amazing.

    Check in http://www.UppStudio.com for new exclusive GoT T-shirts and hoodies!

  314. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    One point about what you wrote above – they’re not really consolidating the Snakes at all. Four of the eight were non-entities to begin with – the fact that we’re getting all 3 of the major ones (with a fourth to come?) is really great.

  315. DornishGirl
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Huck,

    Well, Portlandia got him :). I’ve just had him in my head as Prince Doran for years. He has the gravitas and intelligence to nail the role. A girl can dream.

  316. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Roger König:
    My first guess about Maggy the Frog would be, that it is something that Bran discovers, since he is quite little to do and i am not sure if there will be any flashbacks..

    Yes! This would be brilliant. D&D did say before that they want to restrict flashbacks to Bran’s storyline, IIRC.

  317. Rafael
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    I pity D&D. Maybe the hardest part of the story is coming and they have only several months time to write it.

    I hope they can handle it but I can’t blame them if season 5 turns out to be the worst yet. There are so many storylines that it’s almost ridiculous.

  318. cosca
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    To reiterate: There weren’t nearly as many major plot lines in the past.

  319. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre: Otherwise you’d have to cut back and forth from 12 – 15 different storylines. Could turn into a jumbled mess. I can see why Benioff said Season 5 gives him nightmares.

    A great point. I think we’ll see plenty of episodes like we’re seeing this year, where characters rotate in and out, and we see them for longer periods of time rather than shorter.

    If I’m correct, we didn’t have the Night’s Watch at all in Episodes 2 and 6 this year.

    Bran is in Episodes 2, 4, and 5, and hasn’t been in it since.

    Arya/Hound have been all odd numbers. 1, 3, 5, 7.

    Stannis: 2, 3, 6.

    Theon/Ramsay – just episodes 2 and 6 right now.

    Bronn – 1, 2, 4, and 7.

    Ygritte/Tormund/Thenns – so far just 1 and 3.

    Plus, 3 of 7 episodes so far have ended with long, long set pieces in one place: The wedding, the raid on Craster’s Keep, and the trial. I think we’ll see more of that going forward, which is very smart. There’s a lot to juggle, but they’ve done it very well this year – I really don’t think there’s been a real issue with character development this year.

    I can see them dividing next year between episodes of people in entrenched positions of power (Dany, King’s Landing, The Wall) and people on journeys (a hell of a lot of them). It’ll be a challenge.

  320. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    you’re correct.

  321. Annara Snow
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    SM4e:
    Sean C.,
    Well, you have to think in terms of interaction. Who shall Theon interact all season long? His arc is probably the 3rd/4th most important in ADWD and we need other interaction than psychopatic Ramsay and super-frightened Jeyne.

    Roose. Who he interacts with in the book, too, and who needs more screentime. They could also have more Fat Walda.

    Lady Dustin really isn’t needed, unless she has some big role in the future books. Her purpose just seemed to be to fill the readers with Dead Starks backstory.

  322. Kevin Anthony Carney
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    No mention of the Greyjoy brothers. Hopefully this isn’t the full list.

  323. Hollyoak
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Good thing I’m re-reading the books. I don’t remember half of these characters, lol. Right now I’m almost done with A Clash of Kings.

  324. Patchy Face
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    You are just wrong – sorry Have not noticed a drop in viewership because “boring” good grief

  325. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Yeah, they’ve definitely improved the juggling of storylines this year. The reassuring thing is if they can just pull off Season 5 then the story truly does begin to contract as we move towards the endgame. I’m willing to forgive a few mistakes in season 5 due to the sheer degree of difficulty of the adaptation.

  326. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    John Hurt for High Septon.

  327. King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: yes this. I don’t think it’s anything more complex than that all the other young characters are older so why would Trystane still be so young.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but the wording of the post indicates that Trystane on the show will be 18, not necessarily the actor.

    As we all know, actors (especially child ones) all play younger than their actual ages. If Trystane is supposed to be 18, that’s older than Myrcella by a large chunk. Aimee Richardson’s age is irrelevant, kind of like how Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Dean-Charles Chapman etc are all a good 5 years older than the characters they are playing.

    If the actor’s 18, then yeah, he’ll be on par with Myrcella’s age because he’ll be playing a 14-15 year old, just as Aimee Richardson is doing even though she’s 16-17. But if the character’s 18, then the actor will be much older and the audience will be meant to believe they’re in the same age group as Dany or Jon.

  328. SM4e
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    She also gives Theon some great character development. She shows him that he was not the only one who was not a 100% Stark supporter after all and even though Theon knows he had made the wrong decision she demonstrates him that his reasons were plausible.
    + we see they crypts of Winterfell. I doubt Theon will visit them with Roose. ;)

  329. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Troublesome Birdsong,

    Would love to see it!
    Either the High Sparrow or Kindly Man if he gets cast…

  330. Cheese Souffle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Guys. Guys! GUYS.

    The show needs Lester Speight:
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0711529/

    TERRY-O HOTAH: DORNISH LINEBACKER

  331. Streetad
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Of the major new plotlines I think the Greyjoy one is the most ripe for cutting. I can see that they might want to cut back on Tyrion’s endless journey, perhaps have him meet up with Jorah right away, but I hope they don’t cut Griff and Aegon. It would be a disservice to Varys for him not to have his big, long-term plot going on.

    I suppose they could introduce them in a later season, perhaps when Stannis sends that guy to hire the Golden Company but if we are only getting seven seasons, that could leave things cluttered.

  332. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: Correct me if I’m wrong but the wording of the post indicates that Trystane on the show will be 18, not necessarily the actor.

    As we all know, actors (especially child ones) all play younger than their actual ages. If Trystane is supposed to be 18, that’s older than Myrcella by a large chunk. Aimee Richardson’s age is irrelevant, kind of like how Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Dean-Charles Chapman etc are all a good 5 years older than the characters they are playing.

    If the actor’s 18, then yeah, he’ll be on par with Myrcella’s age because he’ll be playing a 14-15 year old, just as Aimee Richardson is doing even though she’s 16-17.But if the character’s 18, then the actor will be much older and the audience will be meant to believe they’re in the same age group as Dany or Jon.

    Yes, Trystane will be 18, and the actor being sought is 18-20. So no, he won’t be much older than Myrcella, unless they ignore their own casting calls and cast some 25 year old. I’m not commenting on Myrcella’s casting, mind you, that’s not on the list- just saying they’re looking at guys in their late teens at the moment apparently.

  333. davy
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    I think that if they cast Griff that they should do what should’ve been done in the books. Last shot of season 5 with a shot of the golden company and Aegon being proclaimed king in Storm’s end. His whole journey isn’t really needed and I think it would give it a much better shock effect then what happened in the books.

  334. Greenjones
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Did you write the character descriptions as presented here or are you working off how your source characterised them?

  335. vlad
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Yezzan is from Yunkai

  336. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: A great point. I think we’ll see plenty of episodes like we’re seeing this year, where characters rotate in and out, and we see them for longer periods of time rather than shorter.

    If I’m correct, we didn’t have the Night’s Watch at all in Episodes 2 and 6 this year.

    Plus, 3 of 7 episodes so far have ended with long, long set pieces in one place: The wedding, the raid on Craster’s Keep, and the trial. I think we’ll see more of that going forward, which is very smart. There’s a lot to juggle, but they’ve done it very well this year – I really don’t think there’s been a real issue with character development this year.

    I can see them dividing next year between episodes of people in entrenched positions of power (Dany, King’s Landing, The Wall) and people on journeys (a hell of a lot of them). It’ll be a challenge.

    My thinking is something along these lines too. I always figured they wouldn’t cut out any storylines but they would condense them and keep them in a few episodes apiece with little to no filler.

    The big concern is that the unsullied will be able to keep everyone straight. We sullied will have to be patient with them and explain things sometimes.

    There will probably have to be some clunky exposition. It might end up being the weakest season because of that. I don’t think it will be enough to lose many viewers though. Many series have week seasons and still retain most of their fan base.

    I think it will fine, but people around here do like to wring their hands.

  337. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    These are my summaries of the casting breakdowns. Can’t very well go posting them, that would be a bit of trouble. :)

  338. Greenjones
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Thanks, that’s interesting…. In your professional opinion what does this mean for whether or not we’ll get Arianne? Because I never considered Tyrene to be exactly seductive, so perhaps that was a character merge on their part?

  339. WildSeed
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Sheepstealer,

    Agree with you about the addition of Arianne’s character, onscreen. Thanks too for adding these links, nice touch. ( :

  340. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Streetad,

    Re: the Greyjoys, this is one fan’s humble opinion. They could cut them entirely. However I hope they’ll just do an abbreviated version. What I mean is this: show the Kingsmoot, make it awesome and iconic and memorable. Cast total badasses as Euron and Vic. People like Jason Isaacs and Ray Stevenson. Make them mysterious, don’t actually spend a ton of time trying to humanize them or give them character development. Then have them disappear from the storyline. Don’t check in with Victarion along the way in his journey to Dany. Don’t check in with Euron either. Just make their introductions badass and intriguing and then pick up their storylines at the very end of Season 5 or early in Season 6.

    By doing it this way they can effectively avoid having to cut to the Ironborn storyline until it becomes absolutely necessary. Just do the beginnings and endings. Cut out all of the middle.

  341. Summer is Coming
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Great news! I believe we will hear the first real casting news once June arrives. Arianne is in of course. We don’t have to worry.

    I believe Obara will fight Bronn. Bron and his wife will be sent to Dorne. I don’t see another established character going to Dorne.

    All 3 Sand Snakes, Areo, High Septon, Waif… just great great news.

    Season 5 will be rich in new characters.. so everyone don’t worry. We will see Griff and Y Griff and some of their travel companions… though seeing Yeezan makes me wonder how much Tyrion’s journey we will see next season. How fast will they move the Young Griff mistery.

  342. Arya Dunyett
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    This is such a good time, speculating over the next season’s casting. It’s part of the reason I enjoy this series so much.

    Re: Maggie the Frog – using her in contempoary season 5, after Joffrey’s death, would seriously diminish her importance to the story , wasting her.

    I’m pumped to see a prophecy! There are so many good ones to choose from.

  343. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Based on what was leaked to me, yes, I believe Tyene and Obara may be cast/written sexier than their book counterparts and that’s why I think there is something of a personality merge with other Snakes/Arianne. Tyene was definitely not a seductress in the books. I don’t know about casting Arianne, I am honestly a bit worried. It’s totally possible they’ve cast her and we just don’t know yet. It’s a matter of waiting and seeing now.

  344. WildSeed
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    BlackTalon,

    I thought I was misremembering until you replied to this…

  345. Greenjones
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Unless one of the Sand Snakes is legitimized they kind of have to include her. Thanks for answering.

  346. Sara
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Yanna Lavigne for Arianne Martell!!!

    she is brazilian and very beautiful actress!

    just google it!

  347. WildSeed
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Agreed. The news is also headier than any of us would have expected at this stage, given the tightly guarded premise of season 4. The list is a leaked one though, and likely incomplete for all that’s in store.

    We’ve yet to see what’s remains of Mance and Brynden Tully, among other plot developments. Other shows were beginning to distract me with interest and this news of Dorne + season 5 developments have really piqued my interest once again.

    Thanks for the scoop, Ours is the Fury. *>*

  348. Cheese Souffle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Greenjones,

    Tyene was definitely not a seductress in the books.

    I don’t know that this is necessarily true. She and Arianne shared Andrey Dalt when they were younger, and then there’s this quote from ADWD:

    “White suits my coloring. I look so … pure.”

    Note that she says “look” and not “am.” I think the distinction is important. Tyene and Sarella both have more to them than meets the eye; there’s enough evidence for me at least to believe that Tyene is not nearly as chaste as she would like people to believe.

  349. Greenjones
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Cheese Souffle,

    But she really doesn’t do anything in the books that’s seductive, that’s Arianne’s bag. So if they didn’t mention Arianne and did mention Tyrene being seductive it makes some people wonder/get nervous.

    Who knows, we’re sure to find out pretty soon. I just hope there aren’t too many characters for some folks to handle.

  350. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Cheese Souffle,

    Being a sexual being and having a sex life is not the same thing as being a seductress, though.

  351. mariamb
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    If people believe this is the entire new character list for season 5, then I have a bridge in San Francisco I’d like to sell you.

    Thank you. This is a partial list. Why would they cast The Waif and not The Kindly Man? This list doesn’t include any of the characters from the storyline in the North. At the very least, we know that Manderly has to be cast.

    Arianne’s role is much too pivotal in upcoming books to have replaced by a Sand Snake. Oberyn mentioned 8 daughters and they are giving us the key ones. My take on Tyene’s “seductive powers:” they are just depicting Oberyn’s daughters as being as sexually open-minded as he is.

  352. Daniellica
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Why is common sense so much to ask sometimes?

    Of course Arianne is in. She is the heir to Dorne, a major POV character, and her sample chapter makes it clear that not only is her storyline going to converge with Aegon/JConn, but that all of these characters have a major role to play in what’s to come. Of course Ellaria is not replacing her, nor the Sand Snakes, for they are bastards all, and while Dorne may treat their bastards with more respect than the rest of Westeros, they are not going to be heirs or matched with other heirs.

    It’s also already been mentioned on the show that Dorne has more respect for women than elsewhere in Westeros. The issue of inheritance has not been mentioned, but that’s not necessary…yet. Tyrstane is SO not replacing Arianne–he is merely aged up to match Myrcella. They have obviously gone to great lengths to make the Dorne plot as rich and layered as sensibly possible for the show, and Arianne is the center of that plot. Arianne is in.

    It also makes no sense for Ellaria to be seated on the small council. Cercei will be in charge by next season, and there is no way in hell she will let a low-born lover of the man who tried to save Tyrion be anywhere near her. They’ll send Ellaria back to Dorne, and she will be one of our links to the new characters. The prospect of sending Bronn to Dorne is interesting, however. A major character we’re all invested in who would have a field day with all those spicy ladies. I don’t see it happening, though. Even if he is in Cercei’s employ now, she’d want to keep him as close as possible due to his close association with Tyrion, especially considering her paranoia about Tyrion possibly hiding in Dorne.

    And is it not just common sense to read the entirety of a post, especially when you have questions and concerns regarding its contents, before totally flipping out and making a lot of histrionic assumptions? I know it’s a lot to ask these days, that whole common sense thing, but I am foolish enough to think humans still have the capacity to respond to reason. I might as well throw my rifle in the bushes and be done with it.

  353. siberia82
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    Unless Finn Jones gets promoted to a regular cast member next season (which seems unlikely considering his character is barely more than an extra now *rolls eyes*), I don’t think Loras counts as a “series regular.”

  354. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Damnit. They made Trystane Arianne… :(
    But they’ll need one of the Sand Snakes to be legitimate (maybe Oberyn has a dead wife?) unless they plan on making Young Griff a woman. Which won’t happen. Seriously, they’ve hit Dorne out of the park but removed the single most centrific character?

    I really hope not, but this news is disturbing. There’s no way this is a full list of new characters, though (no Manderly, no Griffs…) so at least there’s a chance.

  355. Dark Heart
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Let’s bear in mind that 2 seasons have been renewed by HBO, so we may be getting 2 years of castings done now, so they can ensure no time is wasted with that next year (aside from minor characters)

  356. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Sorry Danelica but I am picking up weird signs here. I’ll try to stay optimistic, though. That GRRM comment is the more disturbing part.

  357. Cheese Souffle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    OK sure, but the point is made over and over that the Sand Snakes all take after Oberyn in one way or another, and they use their talents to get what they want.

    If Tyene is a sexual being and she’s being sent to KL on a spy mission, isn’t she likely to use all the tools at her disposal?

    Maybe I’m reading between the lines too much. Shrug.

  358. SM4e
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Why is here not a kind of Like-button?

    jentario,
    I assume Yara Greyjoy will take the roles of Jeyne Poole, Euron Greyjoy, Jon Connington, Arianne & Quentyn Martell, Wyman Manderly and she will be replacing Ser Kevan Lannister.

    No, seriously. It is said in the news that this is not a completed casting paper. + They might have casted several characters already.
    It will be great, no worries.

  359. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    It would take some serious balls for D&D to cut Arianne, while including pretty much everyone else in Dorne. She was by far the most prominent character in Dorne from the books. I’m not going to worry about such a decision, because it makes no logical sense.

  360. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    There’s no reason to send out casting notices for characters that might have already been cast. For all we know they have an actress in mind for Arianne. They could be in talks as we speak. Same could be said for Quentyn, Euron, Vic, etc. I hope this is the case.

  361. Ludo
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    We need Wyman Manderly.

  362. King Stannis
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    It would take some serious balls for D&D to cut Arianne, while including pretty much everyone else in Dorne. She was by far the most prominent character in Dorne from the books. I’m not going to worry about such a decision, because it makes no logical sense.

    Now that’s the kind of thinking I like on this site

  363. Anguissette1979
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver:
    We’re seeing the Waif but no Kindly Man? Interesting.

    Perhaps fodder for the Hot!Jaquen = Kindly Man theorists.

  364. Eljuma
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    Given that Trystane has been aged up I’m willing to bet that he is replacing Quentyn. And if this is true then Doran never wanted to marry Trystane to Myrcella and only “agreed” to bethrothe them in order to gain a hostage to use as leverage against the Lannisters. The guy is a fucking genious.

    Trystane was described by Tyrion as “Prince Doran’s youngest child” back in Season 2, so it’s obvious that Arianne is in. Quentyn is the one to cut/merge (in fairness Trystane is the one being really cut, given that he is a non-entity in the books, even if they are using his name).

  365. wizardeyes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    What if its Lollys that Cersei sends to Qyburn instead of her sister Falyse?

  366. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    I hope they keep Quentyn. There’s something cool about so many people finally heading toward Dany. It ties the world together and Quentyn’s failed quest sets up the Martells backing Aegon over Dany.

  367. Don't care
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma:
    Sunfyre,

    Given that Trystane has been aged up I’m willing to bet that he is replacing Quentyn. And if this is true then Doran never wanted to marry Trystane to Myrcella and only “agreed” to bethrothe them in order to gain a hostage to use as leverage against the Lannisters. The guy is a fucking genious.

    Trystane was described by Tyrion as “Prince Doran’s youngest child” back in Season 2, so it’s obvious that Arianne is in. Quentyn is the one to cut/merge (in fairness Trystane is the one being really cut, given that he is a non-entity in the books, even if they are using his name).

    I think you’re way overthinking this. They aged up Trystane because well thats what they do on this show. And since the actress playing Myrcella is like 16-17 it makes sense.

  368. Eljuma
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    If the theory is right it’ll be Trystane going to Dany and dying in Meereen. No change to the story, just a character’s name and backstory.

  369. Chickenduck
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    I have a theory! This is a list made of solely tier 2 castings. As in, important characters but none of them (except for Doran I guess) are major/POV. The list of tier 1 new castings would include only the major/POV characters and would include Arianne, maybe Quentyn, the Griffs and potentially a couple of Greyjoys. They are all tier 1 characters (as in, either POVs or contenders for the Throne) and none of them are on this list. Coincidence?

    This is correct.

    People need to chill out, it’s not even close to the full list.

    What it looks like is a list that might have been given to an agent who represents a lot of Latin/African American actors.

  370. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Two points: 1) If they delay Euron and Victarion, as well as the Griffs for a year, how would it be possible to wrap everything in 7 seasons as many here have speculated? Some ADwD stories will finish this year, but many would not be finished until mid S6 at that rate. We’ve got to get Tyrion’s trip down the river, metting up Ser Friendzone, down to Volantis then up to Yunkai, then all the pre-Battle-Of-Meereen crap (and the flood of Harzoos), pale mare, a wedding, dragonflight (and maybe a roasting) and the resurgence of the Faith Militant. If you throw in everything else going on with Dorne, in KL, north of the Wall, the new Lord Commander, the House of Black and White, Jaime’s tour of the riverlands and the Voyage of the Fat Pink Mast that’s more than enough for two full seasons alone. How they’re going to put all that in place and wrap the series in 7 seasons is beyond me. Something will have to give.

    2) On the subject of the Faith Militant, now that we’re going to have the Walk of Punishment with the High Sparrow, our real-world’s xtian conservatives are going to s#!+ live hornets when this happens. Remember the stink they raised over GWB’s head on a spike next to Ned’s in S1E10? The Faith of the Seven is kinda-sorta seen as Westeros’ version of Christianity — High Septon=Pope/leader, Septon=priest/minister, septas=nuns, Mother/Father/Warrior/Smith/Crone/Maiden/Stranger=Big Daddy, Junior and The Spook. Seeing The Faith portrayed in a dark and twisted manner will cause some heads to pop amongst the ultra whackadoodle set in the United States. I for one am looking forward to it :)

  371. Ser Hodor Halfmast
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    With regards to Maggy the Frog, I was under the impression that the crone the brotherhood without banners and Arya meet in the riverlands was the same person. What do you think?

  372. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    Gotcha, kind of a Jeyne Westerling > Talisa type deal.

  373. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m also pretty sure Maggy’s prophecies will be live, not Memorex, and be altered accordingly. Tell her backstory first (“ten and six he had, three you had” would cement her legitimacy to Cersei, for example) then fortell the deaths of Myrcella and Tommen and the Valonqar.

    But this gets me to think longer term. If the prophecies are indeed correct and Myrcella will die at some point in the books, why not just cut her story off permanently in Dorne. Maggy’s prophecy in E1 or E2, Aimee’s curtain call in E9 or E10, adding to Cersei’s madness during the her walk…with only Tommen remaining to keep her focused. I’m still trying to figure out what GRRM’s plans are for the kids’ demises; they’ll have to have some significance other than fulfilling a prophecy.

  374. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    How about the prophecy is just bullshit, for the most part? Not likely, I know, but if George tries to fulfill every prophecy then he will never finish the books.

  375. Dani
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Is Feast for Crows going to be split into 2 season’s? I just finished reading the Riverun chapter again last night and i am really hoping they cast Aunt Genna. Imelda Staunton would be awesome in that role!

  376. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Dani,

    Er, more likely AFFC/ADWD, which are being combined, only make for a little more than one season.

  377. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Sara,

    This is the first casting suggestion for Arianne that I actually like :).

  378. Starkfell91
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    What about Arys Oakheart? Darkstar? I hope they don’t get cut.

  379. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979,

    I’m still holding out hope for this to happen but I think Tom Wlaschiha is busy making another show. He did say in an interview after season 2 that the producers told him he may be able to return in the future.

  380. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Why is The Waif asian? In the books she’s described as white with large eyes, not asian. Is this going to be their token *non white* for that season? Like Xaro was beforehand. There’s no reason to change the nationanlity.
    If you find an actress that suits the role but happens to be a different race I don’t mind. But the fact that they’re specifically looking for an east asian baffles me.

  381. House Mormont
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    If they’re casting so many characters next season, they probably should have cast more new characters this season. Euron and the Shavepate could have easily been cast. But at least they got Bloodraven and Leaf and the Lord’s Declarants in early

  382. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    2) On the subject of the Faith Militant, now that we’re going to have the Walk of Punishment with the High Sparrow, our real-world’s xtian conservatives are going to s#!+ live hornets when this happens. Remember the stink they raised over GWB’s head on a spike next to Ned’s in S1E10? The Faith of the Seven is kinda-sorta seen as Westeros’ version of Christianity — High Septon=Pope/leader, Septon=priest/minister, septas=nuns, Mother/Father/Warrior/Smith/Crone/Maiden/Stranger=Big Daddy, Junior and The Spook. Seeing The Faith portrayed in a dark and twisted manner will cause some heads to pop amongst the ultra whackadoodle set in the United States. I for one am looking forward to it :)

    No, there won’t be any controversy over this. There is nothing remotely offensive about it. There was controversy over the George W Bush’s head on a spike because that is offensive even if your not conservative, though I know it wasn’t meant to be a political statement.

  383. sloosh
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    I’m glad I stuck through “the hysteria” in this comments thread to see your post. If Tena shows up that’ll be great.

  384. House Mormont
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    If Maggy the Frog has to be in I’m okay if it’s the cold open

  385. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Yes, they want to add some diversity to the cast. The fact that this bothers you baffles me.

  386. Easteros bunny
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Pretty disappointed you guys have jumped the gun a bit here.

    I’m taking this with a grain of salt, as it comes from an unofficial source and it sounds like a fanboys wet dream.

  387. jentario
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    I really hope that Arrianne makes it but I feel like I’m clinging to some serious straws. This is 100% not a full list, though.

  388. noodle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby:
    Why is The Waif asian? In the books she’s described as white with large eyes, not asian. Is this going to be their token *non white* for that season? Like Xaro was beforehand. There’s no reason to change the nationanlity.
    If you find an actress that suits the role but happens to be a different race I don’t mind. But the fact that they’re specifically looking for an east asian baffles me.

    “not having big eyes” =/= asian, nor “having big eyes” = white.
    there are many asians that have big, large eyes. and I see white people with little tiny eyes all the time.

    I have my own problems with them wanting someone East Asian as the Waif, but they aren’t yours.

    also, for anyone reading, don’t refer to Asians as oriental. it’s evocative of a racist imperialist past and just backwards if you consider yourself any kind of modern human being. it’s like referring to black people as negroes. no one says that anymore.

    of course if you are racist, feel free to call us whatever you want!

  389. Val the Wildling
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    The Waif isn’t a child. She’s an adult woman who just looks like a child because of poisons.

  390. Mark Bryan
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Hey guys, long time lurker and first time poster here.
    This big news made me want to weigh in with how exciting this is going to be – the Dornish are my favourites!

    I sent this link to my friend who’s read the books but isn’t as obsessive as I am about checking news everyday.

    He was with a friend of his earlier today who is doing a tour on stage, who has just sent off an audition tape/showreel for Myrcella and 2 Dornish girls. That’s all he knows – but I guess that means they’re looking for a new Myrcella – I assumed they’d keep Aimee as she seems the right age!

  391. Greenjones
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    It’ll be in the present tence I think. They haven’t done flashbacks yet and this would be a strange time to start.

    jentario,

    I feel much the same.

  392. Greenjones
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Mark Bryan,

    For Aimee’s sake I hope that’s not the case. But didn’t Ours is the Fury allude to that perhaps being the situation?

  393. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Is she described as ‘white’ or ‘pale’? ‘Pale’ doesn’t mean ‘Caucasian’ specifically. As long as she looks young, but acts older, who cares?

  394. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    noodle,

    She’s white because she has white skin, not because she has large eyes.

    EDIT: She’s also from the Free Cities/Westeros so she’s clearly not from a place where Asians might be hiding.

  395. Tony
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Shocked they are casting Areo Hotah. Zero reason for that character to exist on the show whatsoever. He is merely there for POV on the show (cause clearly GRRM doesnt want a Doran POV) Maybe he does something important down the line?? They cant NOT have Arianne. That would be crazy. I can see it happening… Them merging Arianne / Trystan… Remember the Tyrells?
    If anyone would have told yo uthis yesterday you would have called him crazy but now it’s not such a crazy thought.
    I would be so disappointed / angry. Like ‘Aimee Richardson gets recast’ angry.

  396. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    MrsBlobby,

    Yes, they want to add some diversity to the cast.The fact that this bothers you baffles me.

    Why do they need forced diversity? If they wanted more black guys then they could’ve kept Jalabhar Xho and thrown in some black mecenaries instead of changing an already existing character. If they want asians then they shouldn’t make a show based on a world without them. Frankly it just ruins the believability and splits it further from the world of the books, which bothers me.

  397. Darquemode
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Dani,

    Imelda Staunton would be fun as Lady Genna! XD

    I pictured a British version of Kathy Bates when I read the role! XD
    I was thinking of Jennifer Saunders, Julie Walters or maybe Sylvestra Le Touzel, but I think I may like the idea of Stuanton better now!

    I hope along with the role of Genna, Emmon Frey gets cast. I liked their interaction with Jaime.

  398. Doran Doran
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Is no one else sold on F. Murray Abraham as Doran Martell?

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000719/

  399. Arkash
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Yeah, I sure as hell wish Aimee Richardson is not recast ! I dont see the point since she fits Myrcella perfectly.

  400. Brodor
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    For everyone saying that they are planning 7 seasons:it’s more than likely 8 now. That is the most recent plan I’ve heard discussed.

  401. Long live King Tommen
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Tyene is going to murder Tommen. With this cast it’s almost confirmed.

  402. Shock Me
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Aero Hotah is My favorite Dorne character. I’m SO psyched!

  403. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Doran Doran,

    I actually like that idea.

    As far as casting… it seems like these leaked casting are all the HARDER ones – with fewer options, racially/ethnically/statistically speaking. So I’m totally not worried about many other characters that have yet to be mentioned… they have been cast, or are not a concern – good actors will be found…

  404. somuchforoldtown
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    kimkokuii,

    Agreed. Bronn is da bomb. Hope D&D do right by this character and ignore GRRM on this one

  405. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Mark Bryan,
    Myrcella?! NOOO! Why would they feel the need to recast Myrcella? Aimee Richardson loves the show and being a part in it, she tweets about it all the time. Recasting her is such a dickish and unnecessary thing for them to do. This show has had too many recasts already why add another one when it is so unnecessary? Hopefully this turns out to be not true.

  406. mal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    you seem really into her being white…

  407. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    mal:
    MrsBlobby,

    you seem really into her being white…

    I’m just really not into unnecessary and offensive changes.

  408. jwal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    I am white but I have very dark skin. Am I black or Hispanic? please help

  409. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    jwal:
    MrsBlobby,

    I am white but I have very dark skin. Am I black or Hispanic? please help

    What? Surely you should know by your parents. Also, I don’t see how that’s relevant.

  410. Abyss
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I hope so too. At this point I’m not really buying it. I can’t think of a good reason to recast Myrcella, unless of cause Aimee Richardson isn’t available for season 5. Someone who has one of these magical twitter thingies should ask Aimee Richardson, maybe she can comment on it.

  411. queenofthorns
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre: By doing it this way they can effectively avoid having to cut to the Ironborn storyline until it becomes absolutely necessary. Just do the beginnings and endings. Cut out all of the middle.

    I agree, I always felt this is what should have been done with AFFC (the king’s moot should have been a prologue or epilogue, and cut all the Iron born chapters).

  412. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: Why do they need forced diversity? If they wanted more black guys then they could’ve kept Jalabhar Xho and thrown in some black mecenaries instead of changing an already existing character. If they want asians then they shouldn’t make a show based on a world without them. Frankly it just ruins the believability and splits it further from the world of the books, which bothers me.

    I would bet money that even George RR Martin himself would be like, “whatever, go for it,” about having The Waif be an actress of East Asian descent. There actually are parallels to southeast Asia in ASOIAF- ever noticed the names of the regions and cities on the eastern part of the continent of Essos, like Yi Ti? Maybe the Waif’s family moved to Braavos from that part of Essos. At the end of the day, it simply does not matter.

  413. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Arya is on a personal journey on a new continent, a strange cosmopolitan city. She’s learning how to become an assassin as part of an exotic and mysterious order. It makes sense that she would meet people very different from herself. Sometimes it is a good idea to use casting as a shorthand. Having her meet another caucasian girl would seem less exotic and alien. I think the people she meets at the House of Black and White should be people from all over the world from all races.

    I don’t mind the change. It makes sense.

  414. Zack
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    I could not possibly be happier about this news. Unless it had also included the names Darkstar and Arianne, but Arianne is coming, I’m certain. I don’t know the point of bringing Aimee Richardson back for S5 without a Darkstar, and with how great that material was in the book, surely they’ll want to have it there.

    Doran is going to be such a cool character, though. I wonder who will get the role.

  415. jwal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    mal:
    MrsBlobby,

    you seem really into her being white…

    MrsBlobby: I’m just really not into unnecessary and offensive changes.

    jwal:
    MrsBlobby,

    I am white but I have very dark skin. Am I black or Hispanic? please help

    MrsBlobby: What? Surely you should know by your parents. Also, I don’t see how that’s relevant.

    You obviously know what race everyone is based on their skin color, so I thought you could help me. My neighbor told me he’s Mexican but he has red hair and freckles! His name is Louie too

  416. SHK12344
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: If they want asians then they shouldn’t make a show based on a world without them. Frankly it just ruins the believability and splits it further from the world of the books, which bothers me.

    Just to let you know, Dothraki are described as having “almond shaped eyes” and GRRM has been on the record stating Dothrakis are based on Mongols and Huns and describe them as such in the books.

    It was the producers of TV show who decided to change them for TV show.

  417. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    I would bet money that even George RR Martin himself would be like, “whatever, go for it,” about having The Waif be an actress of East Asian descent. There actually are parallels to southeast Asia in ASOIAF- ever noticed the names of the regions and cities on the eastern part of the continent of Essos, like Yi Ti? Maybe the Waif’s family moved to Braavos from that part of Essos. At the end of the day, it simply does not matter.

    Arya is on a personal journey on a new continent, a strange cosmopolitan city.She’s learning how to become an assassin as part of an exotic and mysterious order.It makes sense that she would meet people very different from herself.Sometimes it is a good idea to use casting as a shorthand.Having her meet another caucasian girl would seem less exotic and alien.I think the people she meets at the House of Black and White should be people from all over the world from all races.

    I don’t mind the change.It makes sense.

    You have some points, but they could’ve just as easily changed the family she stays with to an asian family without any repercussions on the character. Part of the Waifs story is that she’s from an ancient house and her stepmother tried to steal her inheritance by assassination, forcing her father to give Waif to the house to kill her. I think that’s an important part of her. Not being too exotic actually helps Arya with her training, she needs to relate to her teacher. IF they wanted it to be somewhat exotic they should’ve made her a tanned Mediterranean so that she’d still fit in the world

    I just find it insulting that they think they have to force diversity. It’s implying that other races need pandering to.

  418. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Daniellica,

    Sorry Danelica but I am picking up weird signs here. I’ll try to stay optimistic, though. That GRRM comment is the more disturbing part.

    Dude. You’re smarter than this. We do this every year. Such-and-such is going to be eliminated, blah blah, and then they’re not. There hasn’t been a character of this level of import eliminated yet by D&D, so I doubt they start now. And the list is incomplete, as already said. Try not to worry. Enjoy the next three episodes, and then we’ve got casting season to look forward to.

    MrsBlobby:
    Why is The Waif asian? In the books she’s described as white with large eyes, not asian. Is this going to be their token *non white* for that season? Like Xaro was beforehand. There’s no reason to change the nationanlity.
    If you find an actress that suits the role but happens to be a different race I don’t mind. But the fact that they’re specifically looking for an east asian baffles me.

    I really don’t see the problem here, or why you’d find this controversial. I really find it strange in this day and age that we see so much discussion like this – people “bothered” by the fact that Areo is going to be black? That an East Asian actress – of which we’ve seen precisely ZERO so far – will play a role like the Waif? This seems so backward. I don’t see how this is offensive in the slightest.

    The show has come under a bit of criticism for mostly a white cast; it was somewhat understandable, but then again, they cast people mostly as they were described, except for roles where it didn’t seem to matter – Sallahdor Saan, Xaro Xhoan Daxos. And now, we’re entering a point in the show where we’re going to see a big influx of people of color – the Dornish, Areo Hotah, likely Yezzan, the Waif, to say nothing of the cast of the Cinammon Wind if they’re included. It’s a good thing. There are many many talented actors outside of the United Kingdom.

  419. mal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    SHK12344,

    THANK YOU!

  420. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    I really hope they keep in material from Aeron’s first POV chapter at least. The visual of a bunch of ironborn children lining up to be drowned and then resuscitated would be really chilling on screen (Hey, Unsullied! You think Melisandre is an extremist religious zealot? Check out this guy!) It’s one of my favourite character introductions (reintroduction technically) in the whole series.

  421. Zack
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Well spoken. If anything the show has been whitewashed. To complain that an asian face pops up, in a new location, in the 5th year of the show after 99% of the cast to date has been white…

    Damn. Move the fuck on.

    Diversity helps sell the larger world. This show doesn’t exist in a universe where there are 4 continents yet the human inhabitants of each one coincidentally all look European. As far as I’m concerned, the more that fact is acknowledged onscreen, the better.

  422. Tony
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    If they recast Myrcella i am going to be SO pissed!
    SERIOUSLY! The actors should strike!
    As in Lost all faith in the showrunners pissed.
    This is infinitely worse than ANYTHING they have done so far… So angry!
    Even more pissed than if they dont include Arianne!
    NO reason whatsoever to recast her… ZERO…

  423. gianoshoes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    Thank you for this post, I agree. I’d like to see more diversity in the casting of everywhere outside Westeros. It makes sense that King’s Landing, for instance, isn’t a mix, but to decry diversity outside Kings’ Landing is upsetting. The phrase, “they are white in the books”, is a bit upsetting when used by fans. Being white is NOT a character trait.

  424. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Troublesome Birdsong:
    Sunfyre,

    I really hope they keep in material from Aeron’s first POV chapter at least. The visual of a bunch of ironborn children lining up to be drowned and then resuscitated would be really chilling on screen (Hey, Unsullied! You think Melisandre is an extremist religious zealot? Check out this guy!) It’s one of my favourite character introductions (reintroduction technically) in the whole series.

    Yeah, some of it might depend on what the Greyjoy uncles actually do in TWOW and ADOS. If Aeron is integral they might keep him. Seems like GRRM has teased an amazing Aeron chapter in TWOW. Don’t know if he’s read it at a con or not yet. Also, I thought Bryan Cogman said Aeron was one of his favorite characters. So he might argue to keep him in.

    But since they seem to be going all in on Dorne I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ironborn are cut down quite a bit.

  425. jpalazzo
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    All scripts for season 5 are finished
    By June 1.

  426. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: I would bet money that even George RR Martin himself would be like, “whatever, go for it,” about having The Waif be an actress of East Asian descent. There actually are parallels to southeast Asia in ASOIAF- ever noticed the names of the regions and cities on the eastern part of the continent of Essos, like Yi Ti? Maybe the Waif’s family moved to Braavos from that part of Essos. At the end of the day, it simply does not matter.

    Yes. This.

    Do we really a “won’t somebody please think of the white people” post in every casting thread.

  427. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: You have some points, but they could’ve just as easily changed the family she stays with to an asian family without any repercussions on the character. Part of the Waifs story is that she’s from an ancient house and her stepmother tried to steal her inheritance by assassination, forcing her father to give Waif to the house to kill her. I think that’s an important part of her. Not being too exotic actually helps Arya with her training, she needs to relate to her teacher. IF they wanted it to be somewhat exotic they should’ve made her a tanned Mediterranean so that she’d still fit in the world

    I just find it insulting that they think they have to force diversity. It’s implying that other races need pandering to.

    Exotic? Blech. Asian people aren’t exotic. They’re normal people. That you think white is the default human is what’s offensive.

  428. Doran Doran
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    I think F. Murray Abraham as Doran Martell would rival Charles Dance as Tywin. He’s that good.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000719/

  429. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: Exotic?Blech.Asian people aren’t exotic.They’re normal people.That you think white is the default human is what’s offensive.

    Someone else said they were making her Asian to make her exotic, not me.

  430. gianoshoes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby:

    Why do they need forced diversity? If they wanted more black guys then they could’ve kept Jalabhar Xho and thrown in some black mecenaries instead of changing an already existing character. If they want asians then they shouldn’t make a show based on a world without them. Frankly it just ruins the believability and splits it further from the world of the books, which bothers me.

    wow. WOW! you are a piece of work. Also, why are you decrying diversity in this universe? George RR Martin’s work does not belong to You alone. A world without Asians? I can’t even contain my anger right now.

  431. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: Someone else said they were making her Asian to make her exotic, not me.

    Yeah that was me. I meant within this story, this world the show has created, Arya should be a fish out of water in season 5. Part of that storyline can be conveyed by having her encounter characters who are from other places in the world, from different races and backgrounds. So they would be “exotic” to her, Arya Stark, the made up character from a made up place called Winterfell where everyone appears caucasian.

    Doesn’t seem offensive to me in the slightest. I was arguing for diversity, not against it. Diversity which in this case happens to serve the storyline as well.

  432. Dirk
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    So many anti Whites on here! It’s remarkable.

  433. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Well spoken. If anything the show has been whitewashed. To complain that an asian face pops up, in a new location, in the 5th year of the show after 99% of the cast to date has been white…

    Damn. Move the fuck on.

    Diversity helps sell the larger world. This show doesn’t exist in a universe where there are 4 continents yet thehuman inhabitants of each one coincidentally all look European. As far as I’m concerned, the more that fact is acknowledged onscreen, the better.

    They could’ve had plenty of in-universe characters who weren’t white rather than changing existing ones. It’s not a new location, they’ve already shown Iron Bankers to be quite white. I think they should’ve been more Mediterranean and I don’t like the whitewashing of the show at all, especially when it leads to them fundamentally changing characters. That’s the problem, she won’t fit with the story anymore if they change who she is.

    All they’re doing is throwing in token race changes which I find to be rather insulting, as though these people need pandering to. Diversity could be had by simply putting in characters from the books which aren’t white or by not making non-whites white.

  434. Tony
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    They need to stop with their willingness to aimlessly recast. Aimee isnt aimless for crying out loud…

    1. Killing of Gilly
    2. No Arianne
    3. Recast Myrcella

    That’s a triple rocket there. I can say i will stop watching the show but i wont… I will however NOT buy the blurays anymore (i will get them by other means even if it means i’ll be forced to watch on a computer screen) Vote with your wallet as they say!

  435. noodle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    there are Asians with pale, white skin. specifically, East Asians. which is why I imagine they want an actress of East Asian descent.

    I’m not even going to touch your other racial bullshit because I’ve learned it’s a waste of time to do so on this site.

    anyway, I’m looking forward to seeing Obara fighting. it might be connected to some changes they might have made to the failed attempt sprint to away and crown Myrcella as queen.

  436. gianoshoes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: They could’ve had plenty of in-universe characters who weren’t white rather than changing existing ones. It’s not a new location, they’ve already shown Iron Bankers to be quite white. I think they should’ve been more Mediterranean and I don’t like the whitewashing of the show at all, especially when it leads to them fundamentally changing characters. That’s the problem, she won’t fit with the story anymore if they change who she is.

    All they’re doing is throwing in token race changes which I find to be rather insulting, as though these people need pandering to. Diversity could be had by simply putting in characters from the books which aren’t white or by not making non-whites white.

    So casting white actors is just casting, whereas casting other ethnicities is pandering? Also, being white is NOT a character trait.

  437. mal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Dirk,

    look again, more like pro-white

    then again, you’re probably a troll

  438. Abyss
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    While I don’t agree with the other things MrsBlobby said, for some people Asians are indeed exotic. I’m from Germany, therefore Asians are exotic to me, simply because they are not the norm where I live. The same thing works the other way around of curse. There is nothing offensive in calling people exotic, it’s simply a matter of perspective.

  439. Don't care
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Tony:
    They need to stop with their willingness to aimlessly recast. Aimee isnt aimless for crying out loud…

    1. Killing of Gilly
    2. No Arianne
    3. Recast Myrcella

    That’s a triple rocket there. I can say i will stop watching the show but i wont… I will however NOT buy the blurays anymore (i will get them by other means even if it means i’ll be forced to watch on a computer screen) Vote with your wallet as they say!

    1. Isn’t being killed
    2. Nowhere is her not being cast been confirmed
    3. Maybe she can’t act. Obvious placeholder. Either way not a big deal.

    But please continue the needless whining.

  440. Dirk
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    mal,

    Trust me kid. The only troll around here is you and your ilk.

  441. Doran Doran
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Lady Wolfsbane,

    Thanks, Lady. He would bring the kind of gravitas and acting chops that would rival Charles Dance – which would be appropriate.

  442. Don't care
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: They could’ve had plenty of in-universe characters who weren’t white rather than changing existing ones. It’s not a new location, they’ve already shown Iron Bankers to be quite white. I think they should’ve been more Mediterranean and I don’t like the whitewashing of the show at all, especially when it leads to them fundamentally changing characters. That’s the problem, she won’t fit with the story anymore if they change who she is.

    All they’re doing is throwing in token race changes which I find to be rather insulting, as though these people need pandering to. Diversity could be had by simply putting in characters from the books which aren’t white or by not making non-whites white.

    What fucking difference does it make? We are not talking about making a Lannister black or a Summer Islander a person of Nordic background where their racial characteristics play a role in who they are. Waif being black, or asian or white plays no fucking significance to who she is and her story. Like none.

    On a side note, do you even know what Mediterranean is? Because going by your post you seem to be of the belief that they aren’t white.

  443. mal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Dirk:
    mal,

    Trust me kid. The only troll around here is you and your ilk.

    I’m not a kid. I’m a potato

  444. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Wow, big news while I was sleeping! My opinions:

    PEOPLE ON THE LIST:
    Prince Doran Martell - GOOD
    Prince Trystane Martell - It’s interesting that we will be seeing him, I had assumed that he would either be a background extra, or wouldn’t appear at all and would just be mentioned. 18 seems like the right sort of age for him in the show.
    Areo Hotah - It’s nice to get confirmation that he will appear. I never thought they would cut him because it’s an easy role to give to a featured extra. It’s interesting (but not surprising) that they are making him black.

    Obara Sand – This change has me scratching my head. Who would she be fighting?
    Nymeria Sand - Darker skinned? Perhaps she is taking Sarella’s role, with her book role being combined with Obara? Removing one of these three from their book role will give them the opportunity to give more stuff to Ellaria.
    Tyene Sand – Sounds pretty similar to book!Tyene. I’m curious as to whether they will keep her blonde…

    High Sparrow - GOOD
    Septa Unella – I had a feeling that we would be seeing the roles of the three septas combined into one character. This also confirms that Cersei will indeed get arrested this season, which should come as no surprise. The real question is whether we will see her walk this season or in S6. In one interview Lena implied that it will be in S5, but in another she said “S6… or maybe it was S5″. So that could still go either way.
    Maggy the Frog – Interesting. Flashbacks? And if so by whom? It could be another Bran vision.
    Lollys Stokeworth – So Bronn won’t disappear from S5. I’m curious as to what they will have him do, though. Crack theory: Perhaps they invent a storyline for him… that involves Obara.
    Yezzan – Interesting. The Yezzan of the books is a Yunkish slaver. I could see this going one of two ways: 1) He defects to the Yunkish side which links him up with his book role, or 2) He is a renamed Skahaz or Reznak. If 1) is correct this would seemingly confirm that Tyrion will be in Slaver’s Bay by the end of the season.
    The Waif - I thought she would be cut, so this actually surprised me. It’s interesting (and cool) that they are looking for an Asian actress. Honestly, in hindsight I kind of wish they went with an Asian actress for Melisandre.

    MAJOR ABSENTEES FROM THESE STORYLINES:
    Arianne Martell – I have no doubt that we will see her. As Fury said, this is by no means a complete list.
    QUENTYN MARTELL – If he is cut I riot.
    Darkstar – Unless they rework the storyline I wouldn’t be surprised to see him.
    Myrcella – In this case her absence is a very good thing, as it means that we will almost certainly see Aimee Richardson return to the role :D
    Cersei’s small councilI’m currently thinking that they may change her dynamic with Kevan and have him fill the role of Harys Swyft/Gyles Rosby etc. The only problem I can see with this is Swyft being sent to Braavos after Kevan is killed – They can’t have Kevan’s corpse treat with the Iron Bank.
    The various side characters in Slaver’s Bay – We’ll have to wait and see how this plays out in the show.
    The Kindly Man – If we are getting The Waif I have no doubt that we will see him.

    Other Storylines – We’ll have to wait and see what happens. It’s not a complete list, so absence from this list doesn’t necessarily indicate absence from the show. There is no way that the Greyjoys, the Griffs and the Northern Lords (specifically Wyman Manderly) are ALL being cut.

  445. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: Someone else said they were making her Asian to make her exotic, not me.

    Fair enough but you did say Arya wouldn’t be able to relate to a teacher that isn’t like her. Still gross and given all the other offensive crap you’ve said I’m not inclined to give any benefit of the doubt.

  446. noodle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre: Yeah that was me.I meant within this story, this world the show has created, Arya should be a fish out of water in season 5.Part of that storyline can be conveyed by having her encounter characters who are from other places in the world, from different races and backgrounds.So they would be “exotic” to her, Arya Stark, the made up character from a made up place called Winterfell where everyone appears caucasian.

    Doesn’t seem offensive to me in the slightest.I was arguing for diversity, not against it.

    this is what I had a problem with. the exoticfication of asians, specifically asian females. you clarified that it would be considered “exotic” in the context of the show, which made me less inclined to make a huffy response. You’ll understand, as an asian female, why I’d respond in a negative manner to that, I hope.

    as for it being offensive. I suppose I should just shut up and be happy that she isn’t portrayed as a exotic submissive asian whore from a faraway land with exotic sex secrets. or a submissive timid asian girl who needs to be saved by a big white man from the evil probably comically emasculated asian man.

    exotic strange girl in a training facility for assassins is a step up, thanks HBO!

  447. King Stannis
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Well spoken. If anything the show has been whitewashed. To complain that an asian face pops up, in a new location, in the 5th year of the show after 99% of the cast to date has been white…

    Damn. Move the fuck on.

    Diversity helps sell the larger world. This show doesn’t exist in a universe where there are 4 continents yet thehuman inhabitants of each one coincidentally all look European. As far as I’m concerned, the more that fact is acknowledged onscreen, the better.

    Zack:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Well spoken. If anything the show has been whitewashed. To complain that an asian face pops up, in a new location, in the 5th year of the show after 99% of the cast to date has been white…

    Damn. Move the fuck on.

    Diversity helps sell the larger world. This show doesn’t exist in a universe where there are 4 continents yet thehuman inhabitants of each one coincidentally all look European. As far as I’m concerned, the more that fact is acknowledged onscreen, the better.

    I agree. I don’t have a problem with any ethnic casting as long as it is done right. I mean c’mon there’s White Walkers and all kinds of race in westeros/Essos and I wouldn’t mind more interesting faces on the show.

  448. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Dirk:
    So many anti Whites on here! It’s remarkable.

    This isn’t stormfront. Go away.

    Signed,
    A white person who thinks you’re full of shit.

  449. mal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Don’t care,
    Don’t even bother, read this piece of works other posts, he/she has no idea what she’s talking about. He/she said a character described as having white skin was obviously white and that they should “throw in some black guys” if they want diversity.

  450. bristol
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Tony:
    They need to stop with their willingness to aimlessly recast. Aimee isnt aimless for crying out loud…

    1. Killing of Gilly
    2. No Arianne
    3. Recast Myrcella

    That’s a triple rocket there. I can say i will stop watching the show but i wont… I will however NOT buy the blurays anymore (i will get them by other means even if it means i’ll be forced to watch on a computer screen) Vote with your wallet as they say!

    Stop overreacting! You don’t know anything yet, and even if they do recast Myrcella, it’s no big deal. So far, they don’t aimlessly recast actors. There are always reasons for doing so.

  451. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Don’t care: What fucking difference does it make? We are not talking about making a Lannister black or a Summer Islander a person of Nordic background where their racial characteristics play a role in who they are. Waif being black, or asian or white plays no fucking significance to who she is and her story. Like none.

    On a side note, do you even know what Mediterranean is? Because going by your post you seem to be of the belief that they aren’t white.

    Do you even know The Waif’s backstory? About how she came to be there? If you did then you’d know that she has to be white for her to make any sort of sense.

    They did make Xaro black even though he’s supposed to be ‘milk white’ so it’s not beyond them to make random ridiculous changes such as turning summer islanders into nords.

    Mediterranean is white, but it’s a more tanned white rather than the pasty colour that you see on the bankers. They could’ve even thrown in some northern african/middle eastern colouring and it’d fit with the setting.

  452. Abyss
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Tony,

    Non of the points you listed are actual confirmed yet… Just chill for now ;-)

  453. gianoshoes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    noodle,

    thanks for this post, as an Asian female myself I come across this a lot too, especially in media. But I would give this poster a break, he/she didn’t mean it to be offensive, read their original post, he’s trying to help explain to the bigots.

  454. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Tony,

    I’m going to be pissed if they recast Myrcella too butkilling Gilly?? Where did you get that from? They’re not killing Gilly and yes, I have seen the preview for episode 8.

  455. facefull man
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Actually, I’ve read the books 3 times and listened to the audiobooks twice, she doesn’t have to be white. Based on your other posts, that’s what YOU want her to be. How you read something is not how others might read it, but you are obviously hell bent on this view about Waif, and diverse casting on the whole. Also, don’t respond back to me because I’m going to go ahead and ignore your ignorant talk so I can live on sanely.

  456. noodle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Dirk:
    So many anti Whites on here! It’s remarkable.

    I want to make clear that my reasons behind my dislike of the casting people wanting an asian for the Waif is completely different from people like……this.

  457. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    noodle:
    Sunfyre: Yeah that was me.I meant within this story, this world the show has created, Arya should be a fish out of water in season 5.Part of that storyline can be conveyed by having her encounter characters who are from other places in the world, from different races and backgrounds.So they would be “exotic” to her, Arya Stark, the made up character from a made up place called Winterfell where everyone appears caucasian.

    Doesn’t seem offensive to me in the slightest.I was arguing for diversity, not against it.

    this is what I had a problem with. the exoticfication of asians, specifically asian females. you clarified that it would be considered “exotic” in the context of the show, which made me less inclined to make a huffy response. You’ll understand, as an asian female, why I’d respond in a negative manner to that, I hope.

    as for it being offensive. I suppose I should just shut up and be happy that she isn’t portrayed as a exotic submissive asian whore from a faraway land with exotic sex secrets. or a submissive timid asian girl who needs to be saved by a big white man from the evil probably comically emasculated asian man.

    exotic strange girl in a training facility for assassins is a step up, thanks HBO!

    Fair enough. Maybe “exotic” was the wrong word to use. I’d say it is all about the context. Within the world of the show it makes sense for Arya to be a fish out of water at the House of Black and White. To encounter people who are “different” from her, Arya Stark… the made up character from the made up place who up to now has almost exclusively interacted with people who look like her.

    Geez, these casting threads always end up sucking, there’s so much touchiness on both sides. I was arguing that it makes sense to make the Waif of East Asian descent for story reasons. Not as some form of tokenism. Remind me to never engage in these threads…

  458. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: Fair enough but you did say Arya wouldn’t be able to relate to a teacher that isn’t like her.Still gross and given all the other offensive crap you’ve said I’m not inclined to give any benefit of the doubt.

    I haven’t said anything offensive whatsoever. Name one thing.
    I was replying to “Having her meet another caucasian girl would seem less exotic and alien.”
    They were saying that Braavos should seem really exotic and different to Arya. Exotic & alien isn’t relatable.

  459. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    facefull man:
    MrsBlobby,

    Actually, I’ve read the books 3 times and listened to the audiobooks twice, she doesn’t have to be white. Based on your other posts, that’s what YOU want her to be. Don’t respond back to me because I’m going to go ahead and ignore your ignorant talk so I can live on sanely.

    Maybe you should go and read them again since you seem to have completely forgotten the Waif’s backstory.

  460. noodle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    how does the Waif being asian make her backstory make any less sense? wait, I know what you’re going to say already, and I don’t give a poop, because it’s racist. besides, we both want to the same thing, for different reasons.

    do you want to talk about Arianne? let’s talk about Arianne. do you think they will specifically look for actresses willing to get naked, because I’m pretty sure they’re going to include that in the script. assuming that she isn’t already cast, that is.

  461. gianoshoes
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    Don’t lament, being an Asian girl myself, I completely understood what you were trying to say.

  462. Tony
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    90% they will

    1. Cutting cast.
    2. Character is unnecessary. Hannah Murray doesnt work for free.
    Sam will just get the baby to Horn Hill… Gilly seems to have served her purpose so clearly they prefer her not on the payroll… Now if only they could kill maester Aemon before he gets to Braavos too! :o :(
    And no they cant cut / kill off either because of character progression by Sam but yeah… they will kill off Gilly i fear. HOW is she going to escape / hide? MAYBE she’ll get the role the boy had (run to the NW and tell they are coming?! that would be lame)

    I DONT think they will cut Arianne because she has to propose to Aegon but if it leads to nothing in the books (quite possible) well… they could just have Trystane ride up to him and have another sort of alliance… Who knows…

    And why would this guy mention the myrcella audition tape. thats 99,9% recast. I trust a Petition will be formed to keep her on the show but that will do no good…

    At least 2 out of these 3 will happen realistically and i hate those decisions. I dont care if they recast JENNIFER LAWRENCE for Aimee…
    Sophie, Maisie and Isaac were no actors had the start either. (if she is unavailable it would be different but why would she?)


    Why dont my spoiler tags work for the entire post?!

  463. JamesL
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    bristol,

    There would be no reason whatsoever to recast Myrcella. I understand recasting Tommen but Myrcella does not need to be recast. It would be a big deal because not only is it a mean thing to do to Aimee Richardson but it would also be another recast in a show that has had too many. This isn’t a daytime soap opera, enough with the recasts especially when it is unnecessary.

  464. noodle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    who do you think will show their boobs first, Arianne or one of the Sand Snakes?

  465. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    noodle:
    MrsBlobby,

    how does the Waif being asian make her backstory make any less sense? wait, I know what you’re going to say already, and I don’t give a poop, because it’s racist. besides, we both want to the same thing, for different reasons.

    She is from an ancient house near Braavos. A noble house. There are no ancient noble houses of Asian descent anywhere near the Narrow Sea. I haven’t said one remotely racist thing. You’re just spouting bullshit to make me look bad.

  466. jwal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    facefull man, I’m sure, was trying to point out to you that being white has nothing to do with her back story. You’re convoluted world view is clouding your ability to think critically. Also, nobody has to make you look bad, as you’ve said, they need only to look at your posts: it’s called ” ‘command’ or ‘control’ F: MrsBlobby”

  467. facefull man
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    I’m assuming this isn’t a full cast list. I hope we get more scouting location news too. It’ll give us a better sense of where the storylines will go (obviously). The world is definitely expanding in a good way.

  468. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    gianoshoes:
    Sunfyre,

    Don’t lament, being an Asian girl myself, I completely understood what you were trying to say.

    Thanks. I know it’s just the internet but I don’t get off on the idea of offending fellow GoT/ASOIAF fans.

  469. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    jwal:
    MrsBlobby,

    facefull man, I’m sure, was trying to point out to you that being white has nothing to do with her back story. You’re convoluted world view is clouding your ability to think critically.

    If she isn’t white then her backstory makes no sense. There are no ancient Asian noble houses in the vicinity of the Narrow Sea. It’s an incredibly simple concept to grasp.

  470. Liz
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    I always thought part of the reason the waif was said to be “white” was because of all the poison. You get this feeling that it’s not a *healthy* shade of white.

    Even if she is supposed to look white, though, there’s a whole spectrum of colours among Asians. I remember once in high school, overhearing the guys in my class talking about their skin colours. One of the white kids said about a Chinese kid (who was pale, like REALLY pale) “This guy is whiter than I am!”

    Either way, I like the fact that Essos is different from Westeros, especially Braavos – the bastard city. And I can’t wait to see more of Braavos – the descriptions in the text make it seem so lovely!

  471. noodle
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    the only person who can make yourself look bad is yourself. it’s ok, you should never care too much about what others think of you. people think of me as “exotic” all the time. I know lots of other asian girls who actually think of themselves as “exotic”, seeing themselves from the POV of white people. because they just become so acculturated to the latent racism of Western culture, they become ok with racial stereotypes and how white people view us. I get mad at those quite frequently and I don’t look that great when I do! we have something in common.

    you don’t like Arianne? any thoughts on her?

  472. facefull man
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    there is no such thing as “Asian-descent” in the books, it’s a fictional fantasy world. There are Dornish, Dothraki, etc. She doesn’t have to be any specific race, btw, in case you’re thinking me and others are saying she has to be non-white. Whatever she is can be taken in different interpretations by the casting. It’s not a this-or-nothing scenario. Ok, I’m done with you now, bye

  473. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    noodle:
    Sunfyre,

    who do you think will show their boobs first, Arianne or one of the Sand Snakes?

    Haha. If they stick to the books it would be Arianne with Arys Oakheart right?

  474. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Sara,

    Kudos Sara, great catch, Nina needs to reel in Ms. Yanna Lavigne quickly before some other show grabs her. Sometimes I have the feeling casting directors watch this site for casting selections then nab them before GoT can.

    Ms. Lavigne would make an excellent Dornish reptile, whether a princess by elder prince or his younger brother would make no difference. She has that perfect Sand look about her and apparently can act, but how’s her English, would be a question. I have added her to my watch list for Arianne and believe she would make and excellent Nymeria or Obara.

    http://static1.purebreak.com.br/articles/7/11/37/@/6474-a-diapo-1.jpg

    Above she is already dressed and ready for trip to Spain.

    http://www.meionorte.com/imagens/2014/03/11/yanna-lavigne-ajuda-da-ma-e-para-manter-a-forma-sem-abrir-ma-o-do-chopef898b16058edae45032ddbce1a6c9869.jpg

    The one above could be prophetic, really! Like damn, sign her up Ms Gold, right now.

  475. Joh
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    …of course there aren’t any ancient Asian houses in Game of Thrones, period. There’s no modern Asian houses, either. There’s no Asia. Or Europe. Or Africa.

    And yet, the show manages to showcase actors from all of these continents, and a myriad of ethnic backgrounds.

    Dude, it is a fantasy world. The people look like whatever you imagine them to look like. GRRM occasionally gave guidelines as to hair or eye color or complexion, but in general it is left up to the imagination.

  476. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    So I’m reading through the comments, and WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE INCAPABLE OF USING SPOILER TAGS?!? IT’S NOT EXACTLY HARD TO DO.

    Anyway, regarding Obara’s fight: It did occur to me that she might be taking Arys’ role and die at the hands of Areo in Arianne’s plot, but that seems unlikely. Would they really have Doran allow the death of his niece? I doubt it. The wording of the post seems to imply, in my opinion at least, that she will be fighting a character that has already been established on the show.

  477. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    noodle:
    MrsBlobby,

    the only person who can make yourself look bad is yourself. it’s ok, you should never care too much about what others think of you. people think of me as “exotic” all the time. I know lots of other asian girls who actually think of themselves as “exotic”, seeing themselves from the POV of white people. because they just become so acculturated to the latent racism of Western culture, they become ok with racial stereotypes and how white people view us. I get mad at those quite frequently and I don’t look that great when I do! we have something in common.

    you don’t like Arianne? any thoughts on her?

    Well actually other people can make you look bad by telling blatant lies and twisting the truth. Those to lazy to check will just believe them.
    I wasn’t even the one who said Asians were exotic, I was just replying to someone who did.
    I don’t know why you’re saying that racism is latent in western culture as though that’s unique. Western countries are the most culturally diverse and probably the least racist places in the world. The majority of Asia & Africa is mono-ethnic and that lead to both positive & negative racism.

  478. jwal
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: Well actually other people can make you look bad by telling blatant lies and twisting the truth. Those to lazy to check will just believe them.
    I wasn’t even the one who said Asians were exotic, I was just replying to someone who did.
    I don’t know why you’re saying that racism is latent in western culture as though that’s unique. Western countries are the most culturally diverse and probably the least racist places in the world. The majority of Asia & Africa is mono-ethnic and that lead to both positive & negative racism.

    No need to twist, just read your posts to decide, am I right? Well, I’m “command F searching your posts” and no twisting needed. For anyone interested, they can do the same

    Also, the guy who spoke of exoticism had a good, non-bigoted point, as opposed to you

  479. Sunfyre
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    “Exotic” within the context of the world of the show. Clarified this ad nauseam. Whatever… Is this thing on?

  480. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Joh:
    MrsBlobby,

    …of course there aren’t any ancient Asian houses in Game of Thrones, period. There’s no modern Asian houses, either. There’s no Asia. Or Europe. Or Africa.

    And yet, the show manages to showcase actors from all of these continents, and a myriad of ethnic backgrounds.

    Dude, it is a fantasy world. The people look like whatever you imagine them to look like. GRRM occasionally gave guidelines as to hair or eye color or complexion, but in general it is left up to the imagination.

    GRRM describes how people look in his world. You can easily liken them to real world equivalents. It’s clear that there are no east Asian looking people in the vicinity of the Narrow Sea. The show can have them there, lingering as merchants, travelers, w/e But changing a main character’s back story is retarded and just damaging.
    “Oh, let’s put in a token *insert race* to placate them and make the show more to their liking”. It’s just like the silly token black guys of old, only now those who point it out get called racist.

    People only look how you want to imagine them if you completely ignore what it says in the source material. Otherwise, you are given pointers.

  481. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 23, 2014 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    jwal: No need to twist, just read your posts to decide, am I right? Well, I’m “command F searching your posts” and no twisting needed. For anyone interested, they can do the same

    Also, the guy who spoke of exoticism had a good, non-bigoted point, as opposed to you

    You’re just talking shit mate. You haven’t even provided one example of racism or me being bigoted.

  482. jwal
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    Yes, I’m here and I’m listening! I got totally got your point. Me! Me!
    And most people too, I’m sure.

  483. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Sunfyre:
    MrsBlobby,

    “Exotic” within the context of the world of the show.Clarified this ad nauseam.Whatever…Is this thing on?

    Right, what’s your point? I was explaining my original use of the word ‘exotic’ again since people kept bringing it up. I’m the one who has to keep explaining, not you.

  484. noodle
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    there are people saying the character is axed and will be replaced by Ellaria. I can see how Ellaria can take over most of the things that Arianne does, like sexing Oakheart and trying to queen Myrcella, but the real issue is how important her position as heir to Dorne is to the overarching plot. if it isn’t, it’s possible they’ll make Quentyn the heir and Trystane later after he dies. that’s assuming they keep Quentyn, there are people saying he’ll get cut too? I can see how Arianne’s whole “dad hates me and favors my brother” thing is irrelevant to to the story overall. the parts she plays might be given to one of the Sand Snakes or their mother.

  485. jwal
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: You’re just talking shit mate. You haven’t even provided one example of racism or me being bigoted.

    I never said you were racist, that’s a strong, oft-loose thrown around word.

    But, for fun, challenge accepted: here are quotes directly from your posts below

    You: “Is this going to be their token *non white* for that season?”

    You: “If they wanted more black guys then they could’ve kept Jalabhar Xho and thrown in some black mecenaries instead of changing an already existing character.”

    You: “If they want asians then they shouldn’t make a show based on a world without them”

    Also, here’s one to point to your ignorance:
    YOU: “She’s white because she has white skin, not because she has large eyes”

    There’s more, but that should do it

  486. Jeb
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Tony,

    Obvious troll is obvious
    Gilly definitely won’t die this season. There would be no point making her a regular just to kill her, especially as she has been in so few episodes this season

    As for the other two you’re post is purely speculative. No point arguing in a preety ridculous manner for two things that might not happen.

  487. Sunfyre
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    jwal,

    Thanks.

    Moving on…

    So, do you think a major character from Kings Landing (Bronn or Jaime perhaps) will act as the audience’s introduction to Dorne? Or will they just drop us into Sunspear in episode 1 and introduce all these new characters with no familiar faces for show-only viewers to hold onto?

  488. jwal
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    Won’t Ellaria go back to Dorne with you-know-what? they haven’t been using Indira Varma that much this season, so they’re probably going to feature her to introduce us back to Dorne and she’ll maybe have a larger role than Ellaria in the books. They wouldn’t cast that actress for such a tiny guest spot. Then again, Locke died pretty quick tho the actor was well-known among actors. I hope so, love Indira, love Dorne

  489. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    jwal: I never said you were racist, that’s a strong, oft-loose thrown around word.

    Well you just got mixed up with the other guys replying to me then, but that was the implication of some of your posts regardless. Saying I had a messed up world view and calling me bigoted.

    But, for fun, challenge accepted: here are quotes directly from your posts below
    You: “Is this going to be their token *non white* for that season?”

    How is that racist? It’s pointing out a ridiculous thing that networks do to ‘appeal’ to other races, because apparently you can’t enjoy a show without your own race in it.

    You: “If they wanted more black guys then they could’ve kept Jalabhar Xho and thrown in some black mecenaries instead of changing an already existing character.”

    Right. What’s the problem here? I was pointing our how they could’ve kept diversity without changing a character.

    You: “If they want asians then they shouldn’t make a show based on a world without them”

    Yet again, nothing racist about that even if I was wrong. I forgot about the Jade Sea area.

    Also, here’s one to point to your ignorance:
    YOU: “She’s white because she has white skin, not because she has large eyes”

    Somebody said I only though she was white & not Asian because of her large eyes. I was replying to them. She is white, there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out.

    There’s more,but that should do it

    There was nothing racist or bigoted in there. If you think there is then you’re just searching for reasons to be offended.

  490. Tony
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    Jeb,

    I’ll get back to you in a couple weeks (i am afraid)
    I hope you are right.

  491. jwal
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Again, I’m not saying you’re a racist, so your responses are off. I get that you don’t understand my gripe, but whatever. There are those more offensive than you here, your posts on how you interpret the books just made me dumbfounded, and SO easy to break down for what it is.

  492. King in the North Carolina
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    I agree that F. Murray Abraham would be tremendous as Doran.

  493. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Kind of off-topic: I was searching through the old casting news, and unless I am much mistaken these were the first roles to be officially cast for each season (not including S1):

    Season 4: June 28 2013 (Pedro Pascal as Oberyn Martell)
    Season 3: June 1 2012 (Kerry Ingram as Shireen Baratheon)
    Season 2: June 23 2011 (Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell)

    So we could probably expect officially casting announcements in in ~ a month :D

  494. John Raynor
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Ser Davos Seaworth,

    I would be very surprised if they cut Elia, as Oberyn already mentioned her by name when talking to cersei, he said he was writing a poem to her and how he named her after his sister. He also mentions how she can be difficult, if they planned on cutting her or consolidating her, why would they mention her and not one of the ones that she was being consolidated too?

  495. noodle
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: Well actually other people can make you look bad by telling blatant lies and twisting the truth. Those to lazy to check will just believe them.
    I wasn’t even the one who said Asians were exotic, I was just replying to someone who did.
    I don’t know why you’re saying that racism is latent in western culture as though that’s unique. Western countries are the most culturally diverse and probably the least racist places in the world. The majority of Asia & Africa is mono-ethnic and that lead to both positive & negative racism.

    no, you’re wrong, and your worldview is ignorant and racist. your ignorance of racism in your own culture is telling. your ignorance of asian countries or just countries that aren’t full of white people (because lets be real, that’s what really matters here) is telling. you didn’t say you think asians are exotic, but everything else you said is completely revealing of how you view us. it’s not a semantics argument. just incase you think I’m on your side. I’m not.

    I can’t believe you don’t care about Arianne. I thought you said you’re a fan of the series and she’s a POV character.

  496. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    jwal:
    MrsBlobby,

    Again, I’m not saying you’re a racist, so your responses are off. I get that you don’t understand my gripe, but whatever. There are those more offensive than you here, your posts on how you interpret the books just made me dumbfounded, and SO easy to break down for what it is.

    “But, for fun, challenge accepted: here are quotes directly from your posts ”

    Sounded like you were accepting the challenge of showing me to be racist/bigoted *shrug*

    The interpretation is quite simple. The Waif is from an ancient house in Braavos, as evidenced by the fact that she went to the House of the Red Hands and her family were within easy distance of the Many-Faced God. She is only in the House of Black & White because her stepmother tried to poison her in an attempt to steal her inheritance, her father then had to give her up alongside two thirds of his wealth to give his wife the gift of death.

    Basically, if she wasn’t a member of an ancient house then she wouldn’t be there and she wouldn’t have been poisoned or developed an interest in poisons. No poison, no odd youthful appearance. She also wouldn’t have had the teachings and bearing that she did.

  497. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    noodle: no, you’re wrong, and your worldview is ignorant and racist. your ignorance of racism in your own culture is telling. your ignorance of asian countries or just countries that aren’t full of white people (because lets be real, that’s what really matters here) is telling. you didn’t say you think asians are exotic, but everything else you said is completely revealing of how you view us. it’s not a semantics argument. just incase you think I’m on your side. I’m not.

    My world view isn’t ignorant or racist in any way. There is little harmful racism where I come from. I can’t think of anyone being bullied for their race within my vicinity at any point during my life. Unless you count someone being called “gorra ba gorra”(i know the spelling is wrong), which is a racist term for white people used by some Pakistanis I’ve seen. Maybe you have a persecution complex?
    What ignorance of Asian countries are you referring to?
    I don’t view Asians as anything special, so I don’t know what you think I view them as.
    I don’t care who is and isn’t on my side.

    I can’t believe you don’t care about Arianne. I thought you said you’re a fan of the series and she’s a POV character.

    I found her character stupid & boring. There’s nothing likable about her, for me.

  498. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Concerning the leaked hint that Obara will fight a series regular who never appeared in Dorne in the books. I just looked over the series regular cast for all episodes this season and there are only two actors that fit the bill, NCW and JF, both fighters, both in KL and by deductive reasoning it has to be someone Cersei sends to protect Myrcella. Finn Jones as Loras and Ian as Trant are both just guest stars.

    BTW: Feast your eyes on a future Sand Snake or princess (well they are all princesses), MS Gold needs to cast her like right now, Ms. Lavigne is Brazilian and an actor.

    http://www.meionorte.com/imagens/2014/03/11/yanna-lavigne-ajuda-da-ma-e-para-manter-a-forma-sem-abrir-ma-o-do-chopef898b16058edae45032ddbce1a6c9869.jpg

    Concerning the Asian casting craziness going on, give it a break, personally I feel they have been way under used, and would love for one of Oberyn’s bastards to be an Asian actress, he does get around.

  499. Rindert
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    I would like to see Emma Caulfield as Maggy the Frog. She was such a good bad blind witch in the Hansel & Gretel scene in the first season episode 9 of Once Upon a Time:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9b5Hup1r2k

  500. Sunfyre
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    jwal,

    Yeah, that’s a good point. Just wonder if they’ll think Ellaria’s enough of a familiar viewpoint character for show-only viewers to latch onto. Who knows, the Dragonstone crew was introduced cold in Season 2 Episode 1 without any familiar faces to smooth the transition…

    Indira Varma has been perfect, would be a shame if they don’t give her more to do.

  501. mal
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    noodle,

    Noodle, Noodle, Noodle, stop talking to this ignorant dip shit, you’re never gonna get through to ‘em. Just realize there are people like this all over and they never think anything they think is messed up or offensive. Just give up with this one and cry yourself to sleep.

  502. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Now I have seen it all! A person arguing over the ancient house of the Waif and how she couldn’t possibly be played by an Asian. The Waif! They could cast anyone in that role and I wouldn’t bat an eyelash at it. Gods, this fandom is insane.

  503. Alia of the Knife
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Can you seriously not see it, dude? You’re a lost cause then.

  504. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Now I have seen it all! A person arguing over the ancient house of the Waif and how she couldn’t possibly be played by an Asian. The Waif! They could cast anyone in that role and I wouldn’t bat an eyelash at it. Gods, this fandom is insane.

    Well have fun with your characters that don’t fit the world properly. Hell, why don’t we turn Smaug into a Hydra? I mean who cares, he’s a mythical beast too and sorta looks like what he should. Why don’t we have random black skinned hobbits, even though it would make no biological sense. How about we turn the bears in the Golden Compass into brown bears and have them running through across the ice? There’s zero reason to say it wouldn’t fit. Why don’t we have darker skinned dwarves?

    How about we just throw consistency out the window, show watchers don’t care about it.
    /sarcasm

    Do you understand? The change makes no sense.

  505. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    My vote for Obara Sand is Zhang Ziyi, she is Asian (Oberyn gets around) but she knows how to kick serious ass, martial arts trained and easily recognizable actor by most Americans. She is in her early thirties but looks 23-27, within Obara’s age range. D&D will have to expand the role, which I believe they are doing, besides I think she would take the part w/o hesitation. It is after all GoT and HBO and would lead to more western film roles.

  506. gianoshoes
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Insane in the membrane! For some people, unless the author without doubt describes a character as a certain ethnic type, people gonna get pissy if they’re cast non-white. Even if the description is iffy or can be interpreted differently, they gonna cry. You know, “those” people (read ignorant, bigoted). I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, being white is not a character trait!

  507. noodle
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: My world view isn’t ignorant or racist in any way. There is little harmful racism where I come from. I can’t think of anyone being bullied for their race within my vicinity at any point during my life. Unless you count someone being called “gorra ba gorra”(i know the spelling is wrong), which is a racist term for white people used by some Pakistanis I’ve seen. Maybe you have a persecution complex?
    What ignorance of Asian countries are you referring to?
    I don’t view Asians as anything special, so I don’t know what you think I view them as.
    I don’t care who is and isn’t on my side.

    I found her character stupid & boring. There’s nothing likable about her, for me.

    no, dear MrsBlobby, your worldview actually is, and part of it is your thinking that it isn’t. you don’t view asians as ‘special’? you don’t view us at all, and what you do view, know and think about us, is racist. there is no such thing as harmful racism, because there’s no such thing as harmless racism. “I don’t know why you’re saying that racism is latent in western culture as though that’s unique.” you’ve already admitted that racism does exist in western culture, that’s good. “The majority of Asia & Africa is mono-ethnic and that lead to both positive & negative racism.” no it’s not, and it doesn’t. Asia and Africa are continents, by the way, not countries. there is no such thing as positive and negative racism, there’s just racism. listen, there’s this thing called google. you could use it to learn a little more about what ‘racism’ is and maybe some other things about the world too. I find it to be a great tool. it will tell you things, like, racism isn’t “bullying”, nor “persecuting”. I don’t think I have ever been persecuted, though if I was, I wouldn’t have a complex about it. I’d just be persecuted.

    I don’t like Arianne that much either but given the surviving characters left over she’s one of the better ones.

  508. gianoshoes
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    noodle,

    Knowing there are people like you (intelligent, aware and thoughtful),
    makes me feel better about knowing there are people like MrsBlobby in the world. Hopefully, there are more of you

    also, that you can take down a person like MrsBlobby and then go back to talking about Arianne is kinda funny :)

    Oh yeah, and when you wrote “no, dear” I at first thought it was “oh dear” haha, either works great

  509. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    noodle: no, dear MrsBlobby, your worldview actually is, and part of it is your thinking that it isn’t. you don’t view asians as ‘special’? you don’t view us at all, and what you do view, know and think about us, is racist.

    What do you mean I don’t view you at all? I think nothing in particular about Asians, how could that possibly be racist?

    there is no such thing as harmful racism, because there’s no such thing as harmless racism.

    Well, I meant direct physical/mental harm and there is such a thing as racism which doesn’t do that.

    “I don’t know why you’re saying that racism is latent in western culture as though that’s unique.” you’ve already admitted that racism does exist in western culture, that’s good.

    It exists everywhere, the least in the west imo. By the way, I have traveled to countries on every continent.

    “The majority of Asia & Africa is mono-ethnic and that lead to both positive & negative racism.” no it’s not, and it doesn’t.

    Maybe racially homogeneous would’ve been a better term than mono-ethnic, since ethnicity can be split within the same country and race. Basically, people stay where they grow up and Asia has not seen the vast influxes of immigrants that lead to the multicultural societies seen in the west. Just look at the racial breakups of countries such as India, China, Japan, Indonesia etc.
    Now that I think about it, Africa actually is quite diverse. What with the Muslim invasions, which brought various different slaves from as far as Hungary, and then the colonial era.

    Asia and Africa are continents, by the way, not countries. there is no such thing as positive and negative racism, there’s just racism.

    I never said they were countries…
    Positive racism is where you treat someone better because of their race.
    Negative racism is where you treat someone worse because of their race.
    They do exist.

    listen, there’s this thing called google. you could use it to learn a little more about what ‘racism’ is and maybe some other things about the world too. I find it to be a great tool. it will tell you things, like, racism isn’t “bullying”, nor “persecuting”. I don’t think I have ever been persecuted, though if I was, I wouldn’t have a complex about it. I’d just be persecuted.

    Maybe you should be a bit more careful about interpreting posts. If you’ve had no problems with racism then why did you bring it up in relation to the west?

  510. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Whoa you are one ignorant piece of shit. What you are trying to say is casting a filty Asian peasant to fill in a role of a noble white person is absurd.

  511. noodle
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    ohhh my god. you know what, you’re right. everything you say is right. White is right, everywhere across the globe. nothing non-white people says matters. let’s just hope no more asians are cast in GOT because if there’s more than one it’ll be hard to tell them apart, if you know what I mean. cause they all rook the same? you know what, I lied about being asian, I’m white too. it’s the internet, I’ll be whatever I want.

  512. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    MrsBlobby,
    Whoa you are one ignorant piece of shit. What you are trying to say is casting a filty Asian peasant to fill in a role of a noble white person is absurd.

    What i’m saying is that by casting her as an Asian they are completely destroying her backstory and therefore her character.

    noodle:
    ohhh my god. you know what, you’re right. everything you say is right. White is right, everywhere across the globe. nothing non-white people says matters. let’s just hope no more asians are cast in GOT because if there’s more than one it’ll be hard to tell them apart, if you know what I mean. cause they all rook the same? you know what, I lied about being asian, I’m white too. it’s the internet, I’ll be whatever I want.

    You’re just making stuff up. I haven’t said anything along the lines of ‘white is right’ at all. Unless you think that me being right = ‘white is right’ in my mind? Which it doesn’t. If you bothered to read my posts you’d notice that I don’t care if they cast Asians, I care if they cast people that don’t fit their friggin roles.

  513. Daniellica
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: The interpretation is quite simple. The Waif is from an ancient house in Braavos, as evidenced by the fact that she went to the House of the Red Hands and her family were within easy distance of the Many-Faced God. She is only in the House of Black & White because her stepmother tried to poison her in an attempt to steal her inheritance, her father then had to give her up alongside two thirds of his wealth to give his wife the gift of death.
    Basically, if she wasn’t a member of an ancient house then she wouldn’t be there and she wouldn’t have been poisoned or developed an interest in poisons. No poison, no odd youthful appearance. She also wouldn’t have had the teachings and bearing that she did.

    As has been said, of course there are no Asians in ASOIAF–there is no Asia. But please show me the line in ASOIAF where GRRM describes what all people of Braavos look like. Saying she must be white because she comes from an ancient and noble house implies that only white people can be from ancient and noble houses. Why can there not be ancient and noble houses of mixed racial backgrounds in such a city? Forging alliances with other free cities, with other parts of the world. Where does GRRM say everyone who lives in Braavos is white?

    The Waif’s backstory is most likely largely irrelevant anyway, because since when does the show go heavy on the backstory? We get necessary exposition. What about the Waif’s story is important for the show’s audience to absolutely know so that Arya’s journey may progress? That is the kind of detail that makes the books so enriching, and perhaps we will get a line or two, but I also sincerely doubt if she delivered the whole thing via monologue the audience would think, “Wait…she’s from an ancient and noble house, but the actress is Asian. UNBELIEVABLE!!”

    It is these implications that make you look bad, since most of us seem to find the idea perfectly fine. It is her character that is important; the WHO of her, not any of the whats, and how that is portrayed. The more any form of art can demonstrate that race is irrelevant to the character of an individual is a valuable contribution, IMO. The more any form of art can show the diversity of beauty is likewise valuable. The more any form of art can show that, whatever our differences may be, we are all more similar than all of our differences combined does a service to everyone.

    And your comment that “exotic and alien is unrelatable” makes me sad for you, truly.

  514. Broken Wolf
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    So I’m sensing everyone is rather torn on who they want to play whom, but I’ll add my two cents anyway. :)

    Euron: Mads Mikkelsen… Perhaps.

    Victarion: Ray Stevenson, I know nothing about him but, based on looks, I think he’s about right.

    Damphair: I reckon just use the same cat they used for Theon’s baptism in season 2.

    Doran Martell: E.J. Olmos. Again, I know nothing about him, but I can kinda see it, if he can pull off looking frail…

    Hotah: Peter Mensah. Hotah needs to be badass and, as anyone who has seen Hidalgo will know, Peter Mensah is a badass muthafucka.

    Wyman Manderly: Brian Blessed. That role is practically gift wrapped for him.

    the Waif: Suzuka Ogho, I think. Because we know she’ll probably be aged up. And also apparently we’re looking for East Asian people.

  515. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    You just said it again, that casting the Waif as an East Asian female is ruining the backstory. The vibe I’m getting from you is really disturbing because in your imagination East Asian looking people fit the roles of peasants, slaves, whores and not of noble houses.

  516. loco73
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    Cool! The Sand Snakes!!! Glad they’ll be included in the show…and I am sure that Arianne Martell will be cast as well, she is too important to the story to be ignored. But since that would be a more substantial role, maybe they are keeping this one out of the spotlight completely until there is something worth announcing (perhaps casting for that role is cast right now).The Martells are an important family and as Tywin concluded Dorne was the only of the seven kingdoms who resisted the Targaryens, and that for Westeros to be complete “Dorne has to return to the fold”…

    Southern Spain with its arid, almost desert like landscape would do nicely for Dorne (well at least part of Dorne). There are some really nice locations outside Malaga that would do just fine as backgrounds…

    And I’m glad Areo Hotah will also make an appearance! Great stuff…

  517. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:14 am | Permalink

    Daniellica: As has been said, of course there are no Asians in ASOIAF–there is no Asia.

    There is such a thing as an Asian appearance, otherwise they wouldn’t be specifying an East Asian actor would they? Therefore you can class people who fit those descriptions as Asian.

    But please show me the line in ASOIAF where GRRM describes what all people of Braavos look like.

    Waif is described as pale skinned. Not a single person from the free cities is described as anything remotely asianish. The free cities are modeled after the Italian city states and their people resemble Italians. The Asian-like people live near the Jade Sea.

    Saying she must be white because she comes from an ancient and noble house implies that only white people can be from ancient and noble houses.

    Woah woah woah. You’re talking absolute shit there. I said nothing of the sort. I even said that they could cast a mediterranean/northern africa/middle eastern and it’d fit the world.

    Why can there not be ancient and noble houses of mixed racial backgrounds in such a city? Forging alliances with other free cities, with other parts of the world. Where does GRRM say everyone who lives in Braavos is white?

    Because there aren’t. It’s pretty simply. The Jade Sea is half a world away, no one would bother forming alliances with them. Neither side would get anything worth while.

    The Waif’s backstory is most likely largely irrelevant anyway, because since when does the show go heavy on the backstory? We get necessary exposition. What about the Waif’s story is important for the show’s audience to absolutely know so that Arya’s journey may progress?

    The show has no integrity then. As I said before, what I most take issue with is that they’re specifically looking for an east Asian. It’s the old networking trick of a token black guy to please the black community. It’s racist to assume people can’t enjoy a show if it doesn’t have their race in.

    That is the kind of detail that makes the books so enriching, and perhaps we will get a line or two, but I also sincerely doubt if she delivered the whole thing via monologue the audience would think, “Wait…she’s from an ancient and noble house, but the actress is Asian. UNBELIEVABLE!!”

    Do you bother to think or just jump to the most sensationalist interpretation? The point is she’s from an ancient Bravoosi house. The Bravoosi aren’t friggin Asian in appearance.

    It is these implications that make you look bad, since most of us seem to find the idea perfectly fine. It is her character that is important; the WHO of her, not any of the whats, and how that is portrayed. The more any form of art can demonstrate that race is irrelevant to the character of an individual is a valuable contribution, IMO.

    These ‘implications’ are of your own devising, I had nothing to do with them. The who of her is important and they’re destroying the who of her that is the Bravoosi lady cheated out of her inheritance by a failed poisoning from her own stepmother. Race is not irrelevant, race makes the medieval world make sense.

    The more any form of art can show the diversity of beauty is likewise valuable. The more any form of art can show that, whatever our differences may be, we are all more similar than all of our differences combined does a service to everyone.

    It can show diversity in ways that don’t involve fundamentally changing existing characters.

    And your comment that “exotic and alien is unrelatable” makes me sad for you, truly.

    Jesus. Fucking. Christ. I was quoting someone else.

  518. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby: GRRM describes how people look in his world. You can easily liken them to real world equivalents. It’s clear that there are no east Asian looking people in the vicinity of the Narrow Sea. The show can have them there, lingering as merchants, travelers, w/e But changing a main character’s back story is retarded and just damaging.
    “Oh, let’s put in a token *insert race* to placate them and make the show more to their liking”. It’s just like the silly token black guys of old, only now those who point it out get called racist.

    People only look how you want to imagine them if you completely ignore what it says in the source material. Otherwise, you are given pointers.

    Quick note: don’t use retarded as an insult, it’s offensive.

    I picked this quote, but I’m kind of responding to your general argument, which is inconsistent. In order for the Waif to be a token character, it is more than just being one of a very few minorities in a show/book/movie that is overwhelmingly filled with white characters. Token characters are characters that add almost nothing to the story EXCEPT diversity. For example, the random black kid in the Charlie Brown cartoons. It’s offensive because it’s disingenuous. It’s diverse only in appearance, meant to make things look okay on a show in which all of the main characters are white and all of the major conflicts are ones white people have to face and solve. In the same paragraph in which you argue against tokenism, you describe the Waif as a major character. If a major character in Game of Thrones was non-white, that wouldn’t be tokensim. At the same time, you suggest that D&D perhaps put in several extremely cuttable and unimportant characters if they want to have diversity. THAT would be tokenism.

    So let’s put that aside and look at what you are really arguing, a kind of book purism that is so adamant that changing the race of the Waif from white to non-white for the purposes of diversity is offensive to you. You’ve attempted to argue that the backstory wouldn’t make sense if she looked Asian. I am not even remotely familiar with the Waif’s backstory but it must have occurred to you that the backstory itself can be changed so that the race of the character still makes sense in the context of the show.

    There are ZERO plot complications that would occur if the Waif was Asian. But, it would be DIFFERENT from the source material, and we can’t have that, can we? There’s a term for this, and you won’t like it, it’s called NERD RACISM. It doesn’t mean you hate Asians or anything like that. It means that, in the name of keeping the source material pure, you are completely okay with the white/non-white ratio of the show to become even more lopsided than it already is. Not matter what your intent, that position is racist.

    Here’s an article on Nerd Racism for anyone curious about it, it is kind of a response to a different issue that came up, but is certainly relevant here: http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-5-most-insulting-defenses-nerd-racism/

  519. gianoshoes
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen,

    Oh my god, who are you and where have you been? This piece of work’s gotten me worked up all evening! Thank you. Also, thank you to Noodle, Ser Pounce, and Jwal; they’ve said it better than I ever could.

  520. Darquemode
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    Just once I wish we all could get through a casting post without racism charges being dropped on people! I get it, not all people agree with each other on… well, ANYTHING!

    Casting season is my second favorite time in the year nest to the premiere lead-up… I would say bring on more casting news, but I fear it will just lead to another round of this… Sigh.

    It’s just sad to me that almost every casting post turns into the mess this post has become. I wish we all could step back and breathe before going down this thoroughly annoying and repetitive road.. Often the people accusing others can be as much at fault as the people who make the original statements they do not agree with (if not more so). It just makes it all last longer IMO.

    As Anaïs Nin wrote,”We do not see people as they are, we see people as we are”. Something to think about.

    I just watched “The Blood of Heroes” or The Salute to the Jugger as it is known in some parts and I have one thing to say..
    Delroy Lindo for Areo Hotah! XD

  521. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen: Quick note: don’t use retarded as an insult, it’s offensive.

    It has taken on a different meaning. Otherwise, I shouldn’t use ‘idiot’, or ‘dumb’ or ‘stupid’ either then. They were all offensive once, in the same way.

    I picked this quote, but I’m kind of responding to your general argument, which is inconsistent. In order for the Waif to be a token character, it is more than just being one of a very few minorities in a show/book/movie that is overwhelmingly filled with white characters. Token characters are characters that add almost nothing to the story EXCEPT diversity. For example, the random black kid in the Charlie Brown cartoons. It’s offensive because it’s disingenuous. It’s diverse only in appearance, meant to make things look okay on a show in which all of the main characters are white and all of the major conflicts are ones white people have to face and solve. In the same paragraph in which you argue against tokenism, you describe the Waif as a major character. If a major character in Game of Thrones was non-white, that wouldn’t be tokensim. At the same time, you suggest that D&D perhaps put in several extremely cuttable and unimportant characters if they want to have diversity. THATwould be tokenism.

    It is a token gesture to consciously change a character’s nationality for no other reason than ‘diversity’. It’s not like they found a good actor who happened to be Asian, they’re looking for an Asian. It’s very disingenuous. The only reason they’re doing it is to diversify the look of the show to appeal to more people.
    I don’t think I even described her as a major character. Waif is also extremely cuttable, as much a Jalabhar, they could easily give all of her work to the Kindly Man with no real change.

    So let’s put that aside and look at what you are really arguing, a kind of book purism that is so adamant that changing the race of the Waif from white to non-white for the purposes of diversity is offensive to you.

    She doesn’t have to be fucking white. She has to fit into the location she is born to. I even said that northern African, middle eastern or Mediterranean were as viable as northern European as they’d fit the locale.

    You’ve attempted to argue that the backstory wouldn’t make sense if she looked Asian. I am not even remotely familiar with the Waif’s backstory but it must have occurred to you that the backstory itself can be changed so that the race of the character still makes sense in the context of the show.

    If they change her back story then it’s a different character so she shouldn’t have the same name.

    There are ZERO plot complications that would occur if the Waif was Asian. But, it would be DIFFERENT from the source material, and we can’t have that, can we? There’s a term for this, and you won’t like it, it’s called NERD RACISM. It doesn’t mean you hate Asians or anything like that. It means that, in the name of keeping the source material pure, you are completely okay with the white/non-white ratio of the show to become even more lopsided than it already is. Not matter what your intent, that position is racist.

    There are world complications. It changes the composition of an entire city. As I’ve said before, it’s not about white/non-white at all. There are plenty of non-whites which would suit the free cities.

    Here’s an article on Nerd Racism for anyone curious about it, it is kind of a response to a different issue that came up, but is certainly relevant here: http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-5-most-insulting-defenses-nerd-racism/

    That article is irrelevant to this discussion. The race of Waif is important as it determines where she is from. If they turn her into an Asian then she’s from the Jade Sea, ergo a totally different character with a totally different storyline behind her and not someone who should share the name of the book character.

  522. King Stannis
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    I thought whining and complaining could not get worse on this site but now we are arguing about Waif? The waif of the faceless men?!? I did not know she had hardcore fans because I do not give a shit who plays that role since it could be ANYBODY. She is not a Stark,Baratheon,Greyjoy etc…. She is just Waif and a monkey with skills could play that role for all I care.

    Complaining if she gets casted by an Asian actress just reeks of something deeper because in reality it is NOT A BIG DEAL! Be mad is Robb Stark was played by an Asian but Waif?!? Give me a fucking break!

  523. Enfield
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    Question: What the hell happened? I came on here this morning and there was a spirited discussion about what the casting news meant for the show, how it relates to the books, etc. I come on here at night and it becomes this weird tumblr-esque debate about what constitutes racism and how a (minor as fuck) character should be one race or another. I’m not sure this is the best place to have pointless and meandering discussions on racial sensibilities or to try to prove that someone is racist or not.

    At some point the argument eats itself. Let’s keep this site more about the content, less about useless and perpetual debating on topics that we won’t solve.

  524. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Oh, so now where she is from makes her a completely different character.

    How is that not racist? Please tell me how changing where she is from has any effect on her character. Please list one character trait that could not exist for a character that looks Asian but could exist for a character that looks white or Middle Eastern or Mediterranean.

    They’re not changing the character. They are maybe changing which geographical location she is from. Or they are changing something about the geographical location that she is from. Either way, they are completely minor changes that have no effect on the character traits.

  525. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    Tokenism: the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to do a particular thing, especially by recruiting a small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of sexual or racial equality

    “Diversity for the sake of diversity,” which is essentially what you are accusing the show of doing, is not the definition of tokenism. It’s saying you want to be diverse, but only doing the bare minimum, and even then “diversity” isn’t the end goal, it’s the appearance of diversity.

    Wanting to diversify the cast of characters on Game of Thrones isn’t tokenism. Having race and ethnicity in mind when casting isn’t tokenism. It’s when decisions like these are made deceptively, to make the show look more diverse without actually giving a shit about how equally represented races and ethnicities are.

    But like I said, that doesn’t seem to be your main argument. You’re okay with purposefully putting in characters of different ethnicities and races, just as long as they stay true to the races and ethnicities of characters in the books.

  526. Sunfyre
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 3:23 am | Permalink

    I was bored so I went back and checked on some casting threads I remembered which devolved in a similar manner to this one. Here’s what I found:

    -There were 978 posts on the “Pedro Pascal as Red Viper” announcement thread — pretty ugly thread overall

    -There were 603 posts on the “GRRM comments on Red Viper” where he addressed matters of ethnicity and race in casting — again a total mess of a thread

    Don’t think this one is gonna break any records, but you never know. Not trying to minimize anyone’s opinions just reiterating that these casting threads ALWAYS end up pissing people off.

  527. Ser Pounce
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Sunfyre,

    I don’t know man but its always those crazy people from westeros.org and TMBLR who come here and bitch about race forcing GRRM to publicly speak out and prove all of them wrong. I wonder if Linda is going to kill a puppy whenever she heres about this the Asian Waif who happens to be a noble.

  528. Sunfyre
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    Someone somewhere must be doing their dissertation on diversity vs. tokenism in casting for HBO’s hit series Game of Thrones… These threads are an orgy of anecdotal data.

  529. Tony
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 4:00 am | Permalink

    Interesting how this discussion about the Waif has taken over…

    So i thought about it and am pretty sure what they are going to do to Dorne:

    First fact: they want to make it interesting. They too know about all the travel log and less exciting books 4-5.

    They happen to know Arianne fails in her mission to marry Aegon. If she succeeded obviously we’d need Arianne but now it can just be Trystanne with an alliance proposal that’s not accepted somehow…

    They want a talented young actor for Trystanne… And therefore decide to recast Myrcella to do be more compatibale. Hate this decision but afraid the glass is already broken…

    I think they’ve decided to make the ‘crowning Myrcella’ idea to be Trystannes and Myrcella’s. I imagine the two will be (more than) close together (as in in love), only reason they are not married is Doran playing his cards… So after another refusal to marry her already / to crown Myrcella they run off with that plan.

    Being HBO they will probably insert a bit of a love story and possibly some desert camp fire sex (which might be another reason they recast Aimee…)

    When Hotah (THAT is why he is needed, someone recognizable has to apprehend them… that’s all he is needed for i think really) finds them it will be all the more dramatic especially when Myrcella is wounded.

    Finally Doran will tell Trystanne everything and that’s your S5 Dorne storyline for you.

    In S6 Trystanne goes to make an alliance with Aegon (reluctantly because of Myrcella i assume)

    Questions remains what to do with Quentyn. My guess? Cut. When would they have to bring him in? The sun in west / east prophecy will just be forgotten for the show… I imagine they want to finish Dany’s storyline in the Pit / mounting Dragon for S5, that makes sense… So Quentyn has to be dead by then… And if they have the Dorne finale in 8 / 9 there is almost no time to introduce him… They could give him one anonymous scene in 6-8 (who is this guy? A Martell?! Why is he coming for Dany?), him meeting Dany in 8, him dying in 9 AFTER Doran’s reveal followed by Dany’s big day in 10 i guess?

    I hate to say it but all of this could work. I hate losing Arianne and Aimee in the proces but we got Areo! If they cast AnnaSophia Robb for Myrcella i’ll forgive them! :)

    As for Gilly… At first i thought she was saved / safe: Plot armor. Gilly is necessary to breast feed the baby. Then i realized the entire baby switch might not be in at all and they might do something with Shireen instead. We’ll have to wait and see. If Gilly dies the baby switch is out…


    why do my spoiler tags only work for a small part of the post?!

  530. cosca
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 4:11 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby = Linda Antonsson

  531. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 4:16 am | Permalink

    I really hope they make the Kindly Man of asian appearance, too.
    That’d be awesome!

    Also if they end up recasting Myrcella, maybe they could get an asian actor for that, too. It wouldn’t make much sense, but given the show isn’t likely to travel to the GOT version of Asia (Yi Ti, perhaps), it would be nice to be able to showcase an asian actor’s talents within a mainly caucasian cast.
    Oh wait, I guess that’s what they are doing with the Waif by disregarding a minor element of her largely inconsequential backstory.
    I suppose you can do that in an adaptation where much bigger character changes have already been made several times.

  532. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    Broken Wolf,

    I really like your suggestion for Brian Blessed, though he would be just as good playing one of Greatjon’s uncles (if they’re cast at all they’ll likely be balled into a single booming entity). Ian McNeice would be my first and only living choice to play Manderly (the other being the late Richard Griffiths).

    Geraldine James as Genna Lannister and Lindsay Duncan as Barbrey Dustin, or vice-versa. I really want to see both these actresses in the show but can’t imagine many other roles which would suit them.

    Other suggestions
    Kindly Man: John Hurt
    Lollys: Katy Brand
    Tom O’ Sevens (just for the Hells of it): Marcus Mumford

  533. Leo
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    This comment section is truly bizarre. All this wild rampant speculation on a very much extremely early, and extremely incomplete list, from an extremely vague source.

    We’re getting Arianne and the Greyjoys and Aimee Richardson, oh my god.

    https://vine.co/v/MJp2KxmPei1 This should convince you.

  534. Tatters
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    MrsBlobby,

    If you are upset that they turned Braavos into New York, why dont you complain how they made the Thenns into Russian cannibals. Sounds way more racist to me. Or how there are white skinned people in highly tropicl Meereen. Its like this is the first look on this show.
    The leader of the wildlings is irish, the nightswatch leader is played by an englishman. For some that would have been offensive.

  535. TheBerylfly
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    Oh my god.
    On one hand, my bro Areo and MAGGY those who say that the episode which warped Cersei’s whole life and made her into what she is isn’t instrumental to her character made my jaw drop

    On the other hand, where be my Greyjoys??( and I really want Genna. I understand this is not a complete list, which is why I am not worried for, say, Arianne, but…

  536. Broken Wolf
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 5:45 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    I’ve never heard of any of the women you’ve mentioned there, ser/my lady. LOL, I’ll have to do my research. But Ian McNeice doesn’t have much of a boom in his voice… I suppose I’m nitpicking, but I just thought I might point that out.

  537. zod
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    Hodor Targaryen: There’s a term for this, and you won’t like it, it’s called NERD RACISM.

    Those “new terms” are getting more stupid by the day.

  538. Veltigar
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    I’m going to cut someone if they don’t fucking cast more Ironborn. Dorne in the books is fucking boring in comparison with the awesome and humorous Iron Islanders!!! But I guess the boob quote trumps it all.

    Fucking shite, they are even looking to fucking cast Areo fucking Hotah (who’s basically a wall with eyes).

    Bring us more fucking Greyjoys!And cast Arianne, if you cast any of the Dornish! We want to see another woman with power. Although I’m not getting my hopes up, they even cut Oberyn’s mother out of the show, eventhough she used to be the ruling princess of Dorne #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS

    /End Rant

    Let’s hope we soon get some news on the casting of the Ironborn. I want to see a kingsmoot. Still iffy on casting Areo and giving Obara a fight scene. Two of the most bland characters in the books that just can’t go well. The Trystane thing is intriguing will he take Darkstar or Quentyn’s place?

    Not so sure about the Maggy scene though. Cersei in the show is a very different critter than she’s in the books. The Maggy prophecy would jar even more with in the show than it was in the books They should just expand on Joanna Lannister imo. Make her an impressive woman and built her up more, so that Cersei hates Tyrion just for killing their mother (unintenionally of course). Dramatically more compelling than just a crazy prediction.

    I’ll second the hope for a casting of Genna. Although I’m pretty sure that her lines will be given to Kevan, who’ll probably reappear in the next season

    House Threepwood:
    The cast is getting bigger and bigger,it’s crazy.12 new characters and that’s even not including any of the ironborn brothers,and by ironborn brothers i mean of course Ray Stevenson and Mads Mickelssen(or James Purefoy for that matter).Maggie actually is no dumb device in any way,but she doesn’t need to be casted or shown,Cersei telling her story would be just as effective if not more..

    MADS! MADS! MADS! :D

    Captain Dickson: Hey, hey! Stop fuckin’ with Korean Jesus. He ain’t got time for yo problems, he’s busy wit Korean shit! Like casting Mads Mikkelsen as Euron!

  539. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    Tony,

    I like a lot of your thoughts about Myrcella. To me, a very simple reason to recast the part would be love story/sex that perhaps the actress wouldn’t want to do, or a love story chemistry issue, as they did for Tommen. I hope we don’t lose some of those characters, like Quentyn and Gilly… but perhaps that is also in the cards…. what ARE they now doing with Shireen? *gulp*

  540. LooYee
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    After reading these comments, I find it weirdly disturbing about the conflict on the Waif’s race. I don’t think the showrunners are in any way forcing any diversification in their casting. The waif’s race doesn’t have to be anything exact really, why does she HAVE to be white, its a fictional world for gods sake, that draws similarities from our world. Their merely casting for people who think should play this character, and with the waif being from the east, why can’t the waif be of east asian origin?

  541. Darquemode
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Broken Wolf,

    Booming voice, eh?
    Blessed would be a nice fit….
    Hmm, how about Jim Carter or Michael Culkin?

  542. Veltigar
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Winter,

    It’s probably going to be in the present rather than the past. No flashbacks.

    Also, do NOT make me go all Veltigar over an Arianne casting because I swear I will.

    Do it! Let the Hate flow through you! :p

    Turncloak:

    Also I hope Obara fights and kills Meryn Trant or Ser Aerys Oakheart!!! Glad we are not getting Darkstar “I AM OF THE NIGHT!” Lol

    The Trant suggestion makes sense. He’s the only one incompetent enough to be killed by Obara.

    Strider:
    jentario,
    They couldn’t possibly have cast Euron! Veltigar would have told us the good news already! lol

    No news from Mads yet. But it will come… soon :p

    Adolf Hitler: The war is lost… Mads Mikkelsen will be cast as Euron. But if you think that I’ll leave Berlin for that, you are sadly mistaken. I’d prefer to put a bullet in my head.

  543. Lyn
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    I am amazed at you people. One person says something that comes out as offensive but she didn’t mean it like that in any way and you treat her like she’s the devil?. If an ignorant prick says a racist comment being fully aware he is being racist he totally deserves a rude response for his shitty attitude. But that wasn’t her intention so maybe, just maybe, you could show her that her comment comes across as racist without having to attack her the way you have.

  544. caoimay
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    ruth negga
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1550948/?ref_=nmmd_md_nm

    Antonia Thomas
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3687902/?ref_=nv_sr_1

    perfect snakes

    and omar sharif for doran

  545. Ludo
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    I hope you all know that the face of the Waif is not hers. She is a faceless woman. She can have the face of a person coming from Yi Ti… someone looking Asian, thus.

  546. Broken Wolf
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Carter, perhaps. But only if Brian couldn’t do it /didn’t want to do it. :)
    And when I searched for a clip Michael Culkin, the only name that came up was that of the Home Alone boy who’s name I will not utter. “sits quietly and breathes deeply while suppressing sudden urges of mass homicide.”

  547. Ayrakills
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    maggy could be someone in another cell close to Cercie’s

  548. Lyn
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Spain has officially been confirmed as being part of season 5. I will give you the link but I’m afraid it’s in spanish. http://sevilla.abc.es/sevilla/20140524/sevi-juego-tronos-alcazar-201405232103.html?ns_campaign=Redes%20Sociales&ns_mchannel=abc_sev&ns_source=rrss&ns_fee=0&ns_linkname=CM

  549. Lyn
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    For some weird reason my comments won’t get posted. I just wanted to say that the president of Andalucía Film Comission has confirmed that Spain will be a shooting location for season 5. HBO is debating wether to shoot at La Alhambra or the Real Alcazar de Sevilla but the latter seems more likely. I would provide you a link but it didn’t seem to work with my previous comments and the page was in spanish so it doesn’t really matter.

  550. OldeCrone
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    I haven’t read all the books so can’t judge all the characters. If they do have an Oriental Waif what about Gemma Chan? I have only seen her in two episodes of “Dates” last year but going by that I would say she has the acting chops. Looking her up on Wikipedia I see she’s in her early 30s – I thought she was in her 20s. Of course she might not even want to play the part …..

  551. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Lyn,

    Alright so it’s pretty much confirmed that this Cordoba palace is the Water Gardens and that the Alhambra or Alcazar is Sunspear. Good stuff. This has been a very Dornish week. The only missing detail is Arianne.

  552. Patchy Face
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Why are these postings getting out of order? Is there some reason? Confused…

  553. Patchy Face
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Lyn,

    Nice – thanks!

  554. Lyn
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    I wish it was like that but I fear that they only want to focus on one location, so both Sunspear and the Water Gardens will be one of those 3 places. I hope I’m wrong though because your options are the best ones.

  555. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Lyn,

    Well, I am sure the Water Gardens will be in Sunspear in the show rather than near Sunspear (so to not confuse people) so maybe that fits with your thoughts, I would argue that the article you linked suggests that they have already settled on shooting in Sevile and Cordoba, but that they were offered to shoot in the Alhambra for free (so that means that they planned to go to two sets). But that’s what Google translate tells me, so it might not be accurate.

  556. JamesL
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Leo,

    She says she doesn’t know if she is returning but she wants to, the producers have yet to contact her. Which makes me think she isn’t returning because if she was returning they have told her by know.

  557. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Natalia Tena didn’t know if she was shooting scenes for season 4 a week or two before filming began. And now it seems she has a scene in the finale. So it wouldn’t be too surprising that Aimee doesn’t know yet.

    On the top of the potential recasting- I think this is one that we as fans can stop. The chance is small that they have already recast Myrcella, if they even plan to, and I’m sure we can guilt them into picking up Aimee again before they do.

  558. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    What the hell has happened to this thread. Geeezzzz

  559. Lyn
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    Yes the article says that. I just took it as if they said that Seville was their first option while Cordoba was their second and, as you said, that the Alhambra probably wasn’t going to be an option because they had already settled with the other 2. But it could be that I interpreted the article wrongly and they meant that both Seville and Cordoba are being considered. I hope it’s like that because Cordoba would be great for the Water Gardens and Seville for Sunspear as you pointed out.

  560. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    We have already moved past that nonsense. At least, I think so.

  561. Turri
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Lol, you New Worlders have some weird problems. I’m sure the casting will be fine, whatever corner of the world the actors might or might not come from.

  562. Daniellica
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Everyone freaking
    out over nothing is so
    typical; I weep.

  563. michal0l
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Please just don’t leave out Victarion, he is one of my favourite characters in book 4!!!

  564. freoduwebbe
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Veltigar: Turncloak:
    Also I hope Obara fights and kills Meryn Trant or Ser Aerys Oakheart!!! Glad we are not getting Darkstar “I AM OF THE NIGHT!” Lol

    The Trant suggestion makes sense. He’s the only one incompetent enough to be killed by Obara

    Im not sure that will work… after all Meryn F’ing Trant already beat the greatest swordsman on earth….
    better ask the Hound about those odds…..

  565. freoduwebbe
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Question for the mods – why is this one still the top story. When I’m on my phone, usually only the top story shows on the screen.. and if I see the same one, I think there are no new stories… Just looked from my desktop and see I’ve missed a bunch. Just curious what criteria are used to keep one story high for a long time. Also – when that happens could the internal pointers be changed to the more recent stories – that could also make those of us on smaller devices aware of the different posts.

  566. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    michal0l,

    I think it’s likely Victarion will get combined into Euron, but who knows…

  567. Patchface
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Arianne will not be cast, her character’ arc is going to Ellaria and Trystane, and some bits to the 3 sand snakes that are cast. Can’t say I am too sorry, Indira varma is a great actress so she should be able to make Arianne come to life through Ellaria. Also, no Quentyn casting…we will see more ironborn casting only in season 6. Hbo renewed for 2 seasons so they were able to divide the focus for each season, one Dorne and next one iron islands among other things.

  568. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    freoduwebbe,

    Because it’s the scoop. The editors here want to keep it up front rather than some Q&A with GRRM’s editor that no one really cares about. This is news people have been waiting for for years (on the question of will Dorne make it, and some general adaption choices for AFFC and ADWD).

  569. Liz
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Does Lindaaa have a winteriscoming account now? I’m sure she’ll post a rant on her blog as soon as the Waif is cast as someone of East Asian descent.

    And I’m seriously surprised at the people that are saying that Quentyn and Arianne are going to be replaced by Ellaria, Trystane and the Sand Snakes. Really, you think the two main POVs from Dorne are going to be cut out when they’re going to keep all their supporting characters?

  570. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Patchface,

    Not buying that. Also, it makes no sense to add so many lesser characters and remove the most instrumental Dornish in the books (aside from Doran, of course). They didn’t have to cast three Sand Snakes and Trystane (most of them could be off screen) instead of just Arianne. Time will tell if she was indeed cut (which is a nauseating idea, honestly).

    If Arianne is indeed in, this is fantastic news since they are giving us Dorne in full effect (which no one expected, let’s be honest). The only wildcard casting is Quentyn, though this is definitely a role which Trystane can assume (especially since he’s aged up, it makes a lot of sense to be honest- much more sense than Trystane replacing Arianne). There are three castings left to make Dorne perfect adaption-wise: Darkstar, Arys Oakheart (as two minor one-off castings) and Arianne (assuming Trystane=Quentyn).

  571. freoduwebbe
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    freoduwebbe,

    Because it’s the scoop. The editors here want to keep it up front rather than some Q&A with GRRM’s editor that no one really cares about. This is news people have been waiting for for years (on the question of will Dorne make it, and some general adaption choices for AFFC and ADWD).

    yea, I know.. but did you notice its not the top one now…
    besides 564 posts, 250 of which are rants about racism…aint news. Now the casting of Arianne.. that’ll be news… cant wait to read it

  572. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Liz,

    Ha. It’s like casting Hodor, Osha and the Reeds but cutting Bran. Totally senseless.

  573. Broken Wolf
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Breaking news, I think I just nailed Arianne Martell. Elena Furiase. 26 from Madrid. Look her up and then either thank me or slap me. Perzys Anogar.

  574. Lux
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Gods do I want to audition for Tyene, anyone here got the personnal email of Nina or Robert?? (pretty please? )

  575. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Lux,

    Someone here linked it some time ago. Maybe try googling it?

  576. Rhaegar
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Some comments here are completely crazy. Sand Snakes replacing Arianne doesn’t make any sense. Arianne will be cast it is known The relevance they are giving to Dorne means that likely they are going to have Doran plot with Varys regarding the Aegon thing, which I think it’s a good change to simplify things

    One minor cast that I also need, Wylla Manderly! Her speech in Dance with dragons is one of my favorite parts.

  577. Joshua Atreides
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Awesome news. Look’s like we will be getting the full package when it comes to Dorne. As for the lack of Arianne and the Greyjoy bros I wouldn’t assume because of their absence on this list that they will not be cast. I wouldn’t be surprised if a casting announcement is already to go by the end of the season.

    Two casting suggestions that I love so far:
    Michael Wincott for Euron Greyjoy is a win. This may even be in the wind as he is currently sharing the screen with Michelle Fairley on 24: Live Another Day. And while I would love to Mads tackle the role like a certain someone on this site, after seeing him in action on Hannibal last night (my fucking god!), I think he could bring nuance and menace to Victarion. Euron just seems to obvious for him. But Wincott, I could actually believe him as Patrick Malahyde’s brother. Plus Wincott is always gold. From his Guy of Gisborne in Robin Hood, to his villain in the Crow and Along Came a Spider to the Warden of the Chateau D’If in The Count of Monte Cristo, Wincott would be great as Euron and would spice things up in the Greyjoy storyline which the Unsullied loathe.

    Another possible casting for Euron and he may be available (after his blood eagle) is Thorbjorn Harr.
    His Jarl Borg was a great antagonist on Vikings and I think he could deliver a perfect Euron.

    Harr could also be a potential Jon Connington as well.

    Matthew McFaddyen as the High Sparrow. Genius. I would even suggest that Jeremy Northam from The Tudors would be a great fit for the High Sparrow. I like the idea of a clean cut puritanical yet somewhat attractive man as the High Sparrow. It would explain his charisma perfectly. And to see Thomas Moore united with Anne Boleyn would be a great treat.

    Doran Martell: I have always shouted loudly that Jimmy Smits could do it (re: His Sons of Anarchy role that made me really see him as an actor). But having recently attended the Ottawa Comic Con I had the pleasure of sitting in on a Q and A with Edward James Olmos…first off I loved him in Blade Runner, Miami Vice, Stand and Deliver and of course BSG, but hearing the man speak for over 45 minutes about his career, about what is to be a Hispanic-American actor, to his views on the themes of Battlestar and how much he champions the series the man’s philosophical edge and view of the world just floored me. I was skeptical how a Chilean-American actor could play a man from an analog medieval Spain, but Pedro Pascal did it. How fitting for Olmos to play his older brother. But it’s a long shot and I’m sure whomever they get will be more than adequate.

    As for the racism arguments, I think that argument is for a civil, controlled setting not a comment board on a website. No one’s true feelings can be discerned with the mask of anonymity. In my opinion anyway.

  578. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    gianoshoes,

    I want Nina to give the role of one of RV snakes to an Asian actress to piss off the racists and book purists. Your pick is a good choice, well how about it Ms Gold, not just a one (waif) but two roles (and a bastard princess).

  579. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    No comments from anyone about Sara’s find of Ms Lavigne, a Brazilian actress. In my opinion she is at the top of the list for a Sand Snake.
    If the following pick of her doesn’t convince you, I don’t know what will. Sign her up MS Gold, quick.

    http://www.meionorte.com/imagens/2014/03/11/yanna-lavigne-ajuda-da-ma-e-para-manter-a-forma-sem-abrir-ma-o-do-chopef898b16058edae45032ddbce1a6c9869.jpg

  580. mariamb
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I would love to see Matthew McFaddyen in GoT. Not sure if his filming schedule with “Ripper Street’ would pose a problem. Of course, that would affect Jerome Flynn as well. But since we are getting Lollys, I suppose that Bronn isn’t going anywhere.

  581. Patchface
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    @liz, jentario and others

    My post was not POV, IT IS KNOWN…Arianne will not be cast, Ellaria gets most of her arc. Again, since Ellaria is played by Indira Varma I can’t say I’m too upset about this…sorry for your disappointment, as a book reader myself, I feel for you…

  582. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    Yeah, she looks like Arianne. If she has the acting chops, she could do it.

    Do you guys think HBO will give us a new cast video in Comic Con like before season 3? They didn’t do it for season 4 but this time we are getting the biggest cast expansion ever (because this IS an incomplete list, very incomplete). I really hope so, it would be great.

  583. Daniellica
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Also, just to settle some minds, if the producers have a particular individual or short list of individuals specifically in mind for the part, they will go directly to the actor’s agent and either offer the role or invite the actor to submit a screen test. So they will not put out casting calls for the roles for which they will go directly to the source. It is rather like fishing with a net vs. a spear.

  584. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar:
    I’m going to cut someone if they don’t fucking cast more Ironborn. Dorne in the books is fucking boring in comparison with the awesome and humorous Iron Islanders!!!

    As much as I enjoy the unique qualities and characterizations of the ironborn (in the books), from a historic perspective they don’t have much respect. They were squashed by Stannis while the Dornish held their own throughout Westeros history, garnering much Targ respect during their rule.

    I am with you in hoping that Vic & Euron get a better treatment than Yara in the show. Currently, the ironborn are laughable in the show. I hope that turns around soon. I hope that Euron (who I hope is not Daario) is truly a convincing and multi-faceted player. I also hope that Vic’s journey to and presence in Slavers Bay is exciting and that he plays a critical role if and when he returns to Westeros.

    Right now, Dorne seems to have the upper hand in show lore, but we’ll see.

  585. Kyrion
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Makes perfect sense to me.

    George talked with some True Blood Actress and told her she looks perfect for the role of Arianne, maybe they just used her since George liked her, and they dont have to put out a casting call. Remember, they already knew they wanted Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage for the roles of Eddard and Tyrion….Also, they do talk over casting with George so yeah, Id say Arianne was probably casted that they had an actress in mind for already.

  586. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Kyrion,

    A little fix, George said she looks exactly like Nymeria Sand, not Arianne. That said, they could easily have her play Arianne instead- she looks the part, has no problem with nudity and has worked with HBO before. She is a bit old, though, isn’t she? 10 years older than her character…

  587. Darquemode
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Speaking of Vikings, Edvin Endre played King Horik’s son, Erlendur, would make a pretty good Young Girff!

  588. Athelstan
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Awesome news. Look’s like we will be getting the full package when it comes to Dorne. As for the lack of Arianne and the Greyjoy bros I wouldn’t assume because of their absence on this list that they will not be cast. I wouldn’t be surprised if a casting announcement is already to go by the end of the season.

    Two casting suggestions that I love so far:
    Michael Wincott for Euron Greyjoy is a win. This may even be in the wind as he is currently sharing the screen with Michelle Fairley on 24: Live Another Day. And while I would love to Mads tackle the role like a certain someone on this site, after seeing him in action on Hannibal last night (my fucking god!), I think he could bring nuance and menace to Victarion. Euron just seems to obvious for him. But Wincott, I could actually believe him as Patrick Malahyde’s brother. Plus Wincott is always gold. From his Guy of Gisborne in Robin Hood, to his villain in the Crow and Along Came a Spiderto the Warden of the Chateau D’If in The Count of Monte Cristo, Wincott would be great as Euron and would spice things up in the Greyjoy storyline which the Unsullied loathe.

    Another possible casting for Euron and he may be available (after his blood eagle) is Thorbjorn Harr.His Jarl Borg was a great antagonist on Vikings and I think he could deliver a perfect Euron.

    Harr could also be a potential Jon Connington as well.

    Matthew McFaddyen as the High Sparrow. Genius. I would even suggest that Jeremy Northam from The Tudors would be a great fit for the High Sparrow. I like the idea of a clean cut puritanical yet somewhat attractive man as the High Sparrow. It would explain his charisma perfectly. And to see Thomas Moore united with Anne Boleyn would be a great treat.

    Doran Martell: I have always shouted loudly that Jimmy Smits could do it (re: His Sons of Anarchy role that made me really see him as an actor). But having recently attended the Ottawa Comic Con I had the pleasure of sitting in on a Q and A with Edward James Olmos…first off I loved him in Blade Runner, Miami Vice, Stand and Deliver and of course BSG, but hearing the man speak for over 45 minutes about his career, about what is to be a Hispanic-American actor, to his views on the themes of Battlestar and how much he champions the series the man’s philosophical edge and view of the world just floored me. I was skeptical how a Chilean-American actor could play a man from an analog medieval Spain, but Pedro Pascal did it. How fitting for Olmos to play his older brother. But it’s a long shot and I’m sure whomever they get will be more than adequate.

    As for the racism arguments, I think that argument is for a civil, controlled setting not a comment board on a website. No one’s true feelings can be discerned with the mask of anonymity. In my opinion anyway.

    I’m glad that someone agrees with me about casting Matthew MacFadyen as the High Sparrow. Incidentally, his wife Keeley Hawes would in my opinion make a good Lady Dustin if D&D choose to retain this character for the important ADWD scenes with Theon/Reek in the snow at Bolton occupied Winterfell.

    I’m part way through S2 Vikings, there are plenty of actors there who could fit into GOT quite easily! Thorbjorn Harr is a good call, he can certainly look ‘mad’ when he wants to. The actor who plays Rollo would also make a good Victarion or Euron, but it looks his services will be required for Vikings S3. (If you’ve not watched Vikings, then what are you waiting for?)

  589. Athelstan
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Idris Elba for Areo Hotah? Or is he to high profile/expensive for what is after all not a ‘tier 1′ role?

  590. Abyss
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Athelstan,

    He would be my first choice for the role as well, but unless they going to expand the role considerably or Elba really wants the part, I think he is too big a name for playing Areo Hotah.

  591. jentario
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Hey, Fury, let’s do a Sand Snake casting post next week! And make sure to add this one as Obara:
    http://m.imdb.com/name/nm1870963/?ref_=m_tt_cl_i9

    Here’s a pic:
    http://m.imdb.com/name/nm1870963/mediaindex/rm3046023424?photoId=MV5BMTc4MDY5NTA1NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjMxOTMzOQ

  592. Bard
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Patchface:
    @liz, jentario and others

    My post was not POV, IT IS KNOWN…Arianne will not be cast, Ellaria gets most of her arc. Again, since Ellaria is played by Indira Varma I can’t say I’m too upset about this…sorry for your disappointment, as a book reader myself, I feel for you…

    I
    know, I know, oh oh oh…

  593. johnnytata
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    i’m sory i can’t read 590 comments. read first 100 or so, and i am sorry that this is going to sound harsh, but are people really so knee jerk that they think a POV character, and one who is one of the first excerpted chapters of the new book, is goingg to be cut? i mean for serious?

    i think there are a great number of people here who may have bona fide anxiety disorders and may need therapy.

  594. Darquemode
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I liked her for Obara too… at least before Pedor Pascal was cast as Oberyn.

    I don’t think her recurring role on Arrow would interfere (it could if they feature that character more in Season 3), but I wonder if she may be too old with the Sand Snakes top age being 25 now. I’m not sure I could buy her as Pedro Pascal’s daughter…. Wardrobe and make up can do a lot to age or make an actress look younger though I guess….

    Also, those character descriptions make me wonder if they will make Nymeria the darkest Sand Snake. She is the only one noted to appear of “mixed race”…

  595. gianoshoes
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    hmm, I don’t know who. I’m not familiar with Asian-American or Asian European actors, but I’m sure there are very suitable one they could cast. I don’t think there will be an actress to come in to do a English speaking tv role coming from Eas-Asia. I may be wrong.

  596. Shan
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Kosis:
    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    I certainly hope not. Not to mention that replacing one of the most important female leads in the books with Trystane would send deafening pissed off shockwaves from here to Meereen.

    What

  597. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    This post has slowed down considerably, all the racist ranting last night turned people off because some didn’t like it that HBO was looking for an Asian actress to fill a role. Apparently to a cadre of purists, GRRM’s world is not inhabited by persons of that ethnicity. People need to educate themselves more,study anthropology, etc. there are Asians with pale skin, light toned skin, medium skin tone, small eyes, big eyes, almond shaped eyes and so forth. Skin tone, eyes and hair color all vary among the Dornish based on the region, showcasing the diversified world that GRRM created; ASoIaF is not a white only club, Westeros is not just based on the history of the UK, but Europe and the world as a whole from late medieval periods back to ancient civilizations. I have no problem with HBO looking for an Asian, Latino, African, or Indian specifically for a role, because it highlights the ethnic diversity of Westeros and Essos which are meant to personify our world’s own unique and diversified population.

  598. Sunfyre
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    Great post.

  599. Scott
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    MUGger,

    Probably a change up of Loras Tyrell going to Dorne rather than Dragonstone. Or Bronn because then that makes since why they will cast his new wife (even if she has 2 lines).

  600. MrsBlobby
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg:
    This post has slowed down considerably, all the racist ranting last night turned people off because some didn’t like it that HBO was looking for an Asian actress to fill a role. Apparently to a cadre of purists, GRRM’s world is not inhabited by persons of that ethnicity. People need to educate themselves more,study anthropology, etc. there are Asians with pale skin, light toned skin, medium skin tone, small eyes, big eyes, almond shaped eyes and so forth. Skin tone, eyes and hair color all vary among the Dornish based on the region, showcasing the diversified world that GRRM created; ASoIaF is not a white only club, Westeros is not just based on the history of the UK, but Europe and the world as a whole from late medieval periods back to ancient civilizations. I have no problem with HBO looking for an Asian, Latino, African, or Indian specifically for a role, because it highlights the ethnic diversity of Westeros and Essos which are meant to personify our world’s own unique and diversified population.

    What a complete and utter misrepresentation of the argument. This is a friggin strawman if I ever saw one.

  601. WildSeed
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Enjoyed your discussion, here. Great list for the contender list. I fully expected you to bring up Smits’ name for the role of Doran, however I’m curious if your second, JE Olmos, would come onboard. He certainly has proved his strengths for such a role. I’ve abandoned past fantasies of hoping for my choices onscreen, however much is determined by the show runners and their revised concepts of the adapted for television roles. At the end of the day, I haven’t found too much fault on what the production has accomplished thus far. Well…. there is one exception, I still hold secret hope that actor John Noble comes forward for the role of the Kindly Man.

    Truth is, there is so much good talent out there, many whom we’ve never heard of. I hope the production makes strong consideration for the significant roles left to air.

    Hope you’re making progress on your projects, Muad’ Dib . *>*

  602. WildSeed
    Posted May 24, 2014 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    jwal:
    MrsBlobby,

    I am white but I have very dark skin. Am I black or Hispanic? please help

    LMAO !

  603. hinesy24
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    This may have been answered earlier (too many posts to sift through), but I’ve noticed that the spoiler tags don’t carry over to alternating paragraphs. If you have spoilers in the first paragraph, they work correctly until you add a new paragraph, which is displayed in faded text, but not spoiler text. The next alternating paragraph is displayed as spoiler text.

    For example (all three paragraphs wrapped in one spoiler tag):

    Paragraph 1.

    Paragraph 2.

    Paragraph 3.

    No idea why this would be the case, but the way to make sure all your paragraphs are spoiler tagged is to make sure that you have new spoiler tags wrapped around each paragraph.

    Paragraph 1

    Paragraph 2

    Paragraph 3

  604. shafiqshafiq
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Let’s face it. All the casting speculations by the fans won’t come true. And then all would still be satisfied.

  605. Only Your Sister Wrister
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Ya know, I was just thinking… Why the fuck have I wasted so much time looking through all this garbage? I just wanna see if anybody gives a damn about Randyll Tarly and what are their thoughts on his casting (or as of yet, lack thereof). Arianne will make the cut. I’m beginning to actually entertain this “Euron is already in the show” idea. Maggie will replace quentyn, and Brienne will soon bite off a young girll’s ear. All is right in the world except Randyll fuckin Tarly.
    And then all the bullshit.
    As I was saying, I was just about to opt out…. And then your comment shows up and just fuckin kills it all, to death. As always, thank you for your eloquent adaptation of sanity in a place that is becoming increasingly insane. Way to get to the point. (I’m no good at that last part, clearly)

    It has been a good week for Spain

  606. Only Your Sister Wrister
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Thank you for this. I am jealous of your sit-in on the Q an A with EJO. I have HUGE respect for him. As an actor, I feel he so effortlessly conveys the type of melancholy conviction that all introspective (awake?) humans must eventually find themselves dealing with from time to time. Yes, we’re all goin to die. But we must continue to LIVE! The most important choices are rarely easy, and almost never clearly provide a solution pleasing to all.
    This is as close as I’ll ever get to a Veltigar style casting call. (his/her relentless pursuit is good entertainment).
    Edward James Olmos for Doran, or I will……..
    Probably keep watching anyway.

  607. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Abyss:
    Athelstan,

    He would be my first choice for the role as well, but unless they going to expand the role considerably or Elba really wants the part, I think he is too big a name for playing Areo Hotah.

    The only way we are getting idris Elba is if we go back in time, start over, and make him Eddard Stark. Too big a star now.

    And why have Ian McNiece WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THE GLORY THAT IS BRIAN BLESSED!!

    (Hail Ming.)

  608. Ashara D
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Thank you, OitF! This is fantastic news! I am SO happy to see the Dornish storyline getting so many characters cast! Very exciting!

    Now, if D&D can add a few hints about the role of the Daynes in all of this, I’d be over the moon!!

    How the hell are they going to finish this story in 7 seasons? I don’t believe it can be done.

  609. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    Maybe an extended last season is planned, like Breaking Bad.

  610. Lux
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 4:30 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    Their personnal mail? I guess it was like the official one, info@ etc etc no?

  611. Only Your Sister Wrister
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    If we could go back in time for casting Hotah, I would choose Michael Clarke Duncan. RIP.

  612. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    Lux,

    Probably, something like that

  613. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    Only Your Sister Wrister:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    If we could go back in time for casting Hotah, I would choose Michael Clarke Duncan.RIP.

    Not a bad choice though he had such a strong personality that I’d want to see them build that character out more with an actor of his charisma in the part. But yes, RIP.

  614. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    She looks almost exactly like how I imagined Obara in the books. Yes, I know, only Nymeria and Sarella are described as black-ish, but for some reason Obara was black to me while the rest of Dorne were just tan. They could say her mother is also Sarella’s mother in the show or something :)

  615. Daniel
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Oh well, looks like much of the crap in Feast for Crows and Dance of Dragons will be included. Hope this doesn’t impact the viewers. ADWD was entirely crap besides the Winterfell storyline, whereas AFFC isn’t very entertaining at all.

  616. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Daniel,

    /opinion

  617. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Daniel,

    /opinion

  618. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Double post, apparently… and no edit function.

  619. Tereeza777
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Casting threads are the best. What about Emilio Echevarria for Prince Doran? He is a Mexican stage and screen actor – a little younger than EJ Olmos. He played the university professor who “broke bad” in “Amores Perros” (“Love’s A Bitch”) which won tons of prizes in 2000. Here’s a clip from “Amores Perros” – Echevarria is the older man with the gun. He works mostly in Mexico, but he was in a recent Bond movie speaking English.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5HTBYR7m0o

  620. Tereeza777
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    More on Mexican actor Emilio Echevarria – and he might be within their price range since he is not that well known to American audiences.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngrsCJ_Gyy4

  621. Daniel
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Daniel,

    /opinion

    True enough. Anyway, most bookreaders are happy with anything GRRM puts on paper, even when its 1800 pages of Dany and Tyrion being butchered.
    Nevertheless, there is some stuff you cannot argue. Such as that AFFC (a book I rather liked by the way) lacks action and does not concern the characters viewers really like. Also you can see on Amazon that reception of books 4 and 5 was rather mixed.

  622. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Daniel,

    I agree on AFFC lacking punch, but ADWD had plenty (it only lacked an ending). And the Dorne and Iron Islands characters boring annoys me since in my opinion they were the saving grace of the first half of AFFC which was mostly travelogues and people doing nothing at all.

  623. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Actually, the next casting post I do this week, I think it’ll be Areo Hotah, for a change of pace. So everyone, get your non-Idris-Elba suggestions in now. (I love Idris but it ain’t gonna happen.)

  624. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I’ll add Christen Stewart, since Areo from the books is barely a character and she’s very good at that.

    ^That’s me being a prick
    Looking at the list, it will take quite a few posts to get through all of these characters (and it’s not even complete!). Hilarious how D&D said season 3 is their last big expansion on that front.

  625. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I won’t be doing posts for all these characters, just the major ones. And it does seem like Areo will have a sizable role this season, as Doran’s right hand man, so to speak. That makes sense to me, since Doran is in the chair and presents himself as being much more passive than he really is.

  626. Only Your Sister Wrister
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Good point. Areo is pretty stoic.

  627. Darquemode
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Maybe last year’s casting rumor Hoji Fotuna could get cast for real this year? XD

    I think Delroy Lindo would be perfect, but Djimon Hounsou would be my second choice.

    Of course many will pick Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje or Peter Mensah….. Will Hakeem Kae-Kazim be busy with Black Sails?

    Maybe an actor less known to the mainstream like Don Warrington, Eriq Ebouaney, or Isaach de Baneke although none of them are quite as physically imposing, just good actors.

  628. StrokemeMarg
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the heads up Fury…

    Peter Mensah is AH, to me he is the Anglo-African Vlad Kulich, by the way

    Vladimir Kulich as Euron, Vict or Eurvic Just watch 13th Warrior or Ironclad or Vikings, nuff said, you’all know he would rock in any of those roles.

    http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTYzOTk3MjY0NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTIxNjc0OQ@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg

    Watching him swing that axe in Ironclad made me think of AH.

  629. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    StrokemeMarg,

    Vladimir Kulich looks great for Victarion, but my top pic will always be Ray Stevenson.

  630. caoimay
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I’d really love for Colm Wilkinson to be on the show.
    http://www.colmwilkinson.com/TU_302_0560c.jpg

    Any ideas who he could play? Prob a northern lord but He could play the high sparrow

  631. Lou Reed
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Season 5 is taking form.

    Can see the Kings Landing part shaping up, with the Faith Militant, prophesies and Lollys.

    Large part in Dorne, looks promising. Fear we might lose Aryanne. Sad to say it kinda makes sense.

    Riverlands seems predictable too. Jamie fixing some stuff, and Brienne with the Brotherhood.

    Some cool stuff with Arya should be guaranteed.

    Still in the Dark, how Tyrion, Bran, Davos and Greyjoys will shape up. Perhaps Davos will just tag along with Stannis, if they dont cast Manderly. Tyrions part will desperately need Connington, but they could decide to go with very Little Tyrion this season, or skip straight to Mereen with him.

    We will be at the end of book 5 after season 5.

  632. Ivanstark77
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Ok but when and where is the cast of trystane !!!!

  633. Ivan Melgares Mena
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Please the cast of trystane (where and when )

  634. Darquemode
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    caoimay,

    I was trying to find a role for him too, but did not think of any perfect fits in to me. Maybe Kindly Man if he gets cast or if they cast any new Night’s Watch he could be a fun Cotter Pyke or Denys Mallister… maybe?

  635. jentario
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Works.

    Ivan Melgares Mena,

    Ivanstark77,

    Are you asking when HBO are casting Trystane or when Ours is the Fury is giving him a casting post? Because we are talking the latter.

  636. Carne
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Hakeem Kae-Kazim.

    Anyways, I’m hoping for some casting announcements at this year’s Comic-Con.

  637. Darquemode
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    He has such a great vibe for that role… and voice of course!

    Last year at this time Black Sails was filming Season 1 I know, but I haven’t seen anything about their Season 2 production schedule. Hopefully he will be done with BS and free to be cast on Thrones!

    ETA:
    I would love a new roles promo reel from Comic-Con, but I will be happy enough if there is some official casting news of any kind!

  638. WildSeed
    Posted May 25, 2014 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Ours is the Fury,

    Maybe last year’s casting rumor Hoji Fotuna could get cast for real this year? XD

    I think Delroy Lindo would be perfect, but Djimon Hounsou would be my second choice.

    Of course many will pick Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje or Peter Mensah….. Will Hakeem Kae-Kazim be busy with Black Sails?

    Maybe an actor less known to the mainstream likeDon Warrington, Eriq Ebouaney, or Isaach de Baneke although none of them are quite as physically imposing, just good actors.

    Great choices as usual, Darquemode ! I still chuckle over the Fortuna rumour , I wonder if if someone close to the factor generated it, whether friend or agent. I wonder too if GoT decides on a lesser known name, much talent exists out there, it may be some actor’s lucky break.

    Actors Hounsou and Lindo may indeed be imposing in their respective roles onscreen, definitely drawing further interest for the show. Both are quite accomplished and lend expertise for the role s of Areoh Hotah or Moquerro , even Ben Plumm. After viewing Hounsou in ” Tempest “, I’m astounded how passionate his work becomes. Actor Akinnouye-Agbaje has come a long way since his days on ” OZ “, and I enjoyed his gentler spiritual role on ” Lost “. I wouldn’t be surprised that should Will Hakeem Kae-Kazem demonstrated interest in the job, he could make his dual roles ( White Sails + GoT ) work, as Jerome Flynn does.

    Does anyone have any news on the whereabouts of Mance ?

  639. Aby
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Talking about casting choices, I am surprised that Liam Neeson was not cast in any role until now. He could have made a better Stannis than Stephen Dillane.

    I think Liam Neeson can be cast as Jon Connington. I feel he will be an important character later on as Aegon’s Hand/Advisor. This will obviously not be in Season 5, but it would be a good choice.

  640. Aby
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    Area Hotah: Christopher Judge can play the solemn guard pretty well.

  641. Darquemode
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 1:09 am | Permalink

    Aby,

    *Raises eyebrow*
    Indeed.

  642. Unbowed Unbent UnHodor
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    do we have any news on the person who plays illyrio is coming back next year?

  643. Ivan Melgares Mena
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    it but someone knows when and where it will do the casting martell trystanne that’s what I want to know what to ask or where the casting?

  644. jentario
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Ivan Melgares Mena,

    We don’t really know, try sending an email to Nina Gold or something…

  645. MM
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    With reference to those who are worried about the impact of faithfulness to AFFC/ADWD on the popularity of the show, given how relatively poorly those two books were received, I’d say two things:

    1. One of the biggest complaints about AFFC and ADWD is the slow pace. Now that we know Yezzan and Septa Unella have been cast, that’s a pretty good indication as to how far Tyrion and Cersei’s arcs will get in Season 5, and that’s a pretty good indication of how much of the books will be covered. So if two books are going to be crammed into one season, that likely means that a lot of the fat will have to be trimmed and the resulting narrative in the show will be pretty brisk.
    2. I think a lot of the bitterness over AFFC and ADWD resulted from the fact that book readers had to wait several years for the release of those books, so their expectations were higher and their disappointment greater. TV fans will only have to wait a year for AFFC/ADWD material.

    On another note, I’m wondering how the show is going to make room for all this Dorne material; that screentime has to come from somewhere. Maybe Sansa, who’s been fairly prominently featured this season to date (six out of seven episodes) and who is already into her AFFC material (with episode 8 looking to cover her first AFFC chapter), will be backburnered.

  646. WildSeed
    Posted May 26, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Aby,

    The ” Stargate SG-1 ” actor. I didn’t care for the show, but he has a commanding presence about him. Throw his hat in the ring ! Hear hear !

  647. jentario
    Posted May 27, 2014 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    MM,

    Sansa will have to either pull a Rickon next season or head deep into TWOW material. The Lords Declarant scene from Sansa’s second AFFC chapter is happening in episode 8 which still leaves a Sansa scene in the finale. What scene could that be? The best guess would be Littlefinger’s speech from Sansa’s LAST AFFC chapter. This also makes sense since the production team has apparently torn apart the Eyrie set to make room during season 4 (which might imply that, like the last Sansa chapter, she and Littlefinger will be leaving the Eyrie for Winter). And that is a disturbing thought, since they’d only have bits and pieces left to work with in season 5 for Sansa and they’d have to include material if she’s to feature in anything more than a cameo.

  648. jentario
    Posted May 27, 2014 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    Oh… I forgot spoiler tags!

  649. Ser Matt the Sullen
    Posted May 27, 2014 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    Edris Elba as Doran’s bodyguard!!!

    Now, of course Arianne is in. Don’t be daft, they won’t cut her. She is a huge POV character and central to the plot.

    I’m more curious why there isn’t any mention of Ironborn stuff… I hope it’s just because the list is incomplete.

  650. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 27, 2014 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Since your asked about Areo Hotah possibilities, there are a lot of directions you can go. I’d imagine that if they’re using a black actor they’re probably thinking someone who can be a bodyguard as well as an advisor. If they’re going more the realm of advisor who also happens to be head of security and not the other way I’d suggest:

    Lennie James - He’s about 49, so a bit old as a tough-guy type, but if he becomes more of a trusted advisor and the part is built up, I’d love to see him on the show. He was severely underutilized on “Walking Dead” (seeing as he was the only compelling character on the show for the first couple of seasons, obviously they’d ignore him), but he’s definitely a good shot for this one.

    I also like Tony Kgoroge, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0450961/?ref_=tt_cl_t3, who played Jason, the head of Mandela’s security in Invictus. He’s younger than James and has a good, steely look that would make him good for this role, because he also projects intelligence. He’s kind of the ideal combination.

    Fana Mokoena would be a good one too. He’s best known for being in Hotel Rwanda, and also had a nice role as a pretty sensitive, understanding government type in World War Z, and in fact probably the most interesting character in that movie as well. He’s 43, so a perfect age for this part.

    George Harris is probably a bit old for this part. He played Kingsley Shacklebolt in the Harry Potter movies, he projects the right kind of strength, but probably only works as Hotah if you’re making him a contemporary of Doran – he’s currently 65 years old – and therefore making him more advisor than tough guy.

    David Harewood, perhaps? Most well known now for playing David Estes on Homeland. He’s 49. Solid looking. Would work well as an advisor type for sure.

    Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine has had some roles on Treme and other well known shows. He’s got the right kind of look, too, and also projects calm and intelligence.

    Finally I’m throwing out Michael Potts!! AKA “Brother Mouzone” on the Wire, and I just saw him on stage in “The Book of Mormon.” Perfect age, perfect sense of calm with a killer’s attitude. He’d be great.

    (And finally: In addition to no Idris Elba, I have a hard time seeing two-time Oscar nominee Djimon Honshou taking on this part, either.)

  651. Darquemode
    Posted May 27, 2014 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I would love Lennie James on Thrones!
    I thought about him for Ben Plum, but now I’m thinking the role could be cut …. He would make am interesting Areo Hotah.

    Also might add Paterson Joseph, but like James he is not the imposing type.

    When I first read they were going to cast Hotah as black I pictured a warrior type with a long beard and streetfighter/ MMA fighter Kimbo Slice came to mind! XD

    Eamonn Walker would be very interesting as Hotah, but I’m sure he will be busy with Chicago Fire…

  652. Locke Reborn
    Posted May 27, 2014 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    I can totally play Jon Connington. And I need a job. Pick me!

  653. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted May 28, 2014 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    King in the North Carolina,

    I also agree that F. Murray Abraham would be absolutely perfect as Doran. Almost too good to be possible.

  654. pollino
    Posted May 28, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    In the Martell’s family tree at Game of Thrones TV series wiki there is no Arianne nor Quentyn, but… that’s even possible? What is then the great idea Doran Martell is planning?
    The series had changed some characters (as Tyrells, for example), but this would be, I think, the first time they remove POV characters. Maybe Arianne’s storyline can be developed by the Sand Snakes, but this would be a major change for fans who had both read the books and watch the series. And, as for Quentyn, well, we can admit it’s not a very important character.
    Besides, what about Jon Connington or Aegon? I think there’s no way they can remove this two anticipated characters.

  655. Strepsi
    Posted May 28, 2014 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Don’t you think they’ll do like Gendry and MERGE characters? I think they’ll merge Arianne into Ellaria, as she’s already familier to viewers… and she’s awesome?

  656. Justin
    Posted May 29, 2014 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    Umm have you not realized that we’re 7 episodes in? If she’s not there yet then we can assume she won’t be leaving for it until the finale... Which I guess is why they’ve been dragging this ‘Arya & The Hound’ arc all season

  657. Justin
    Posted May 29, 2014 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    I don’t think we’re getting Arianne esp w/ an aged up Trystane… It would be nice if nothing to show woman as equals in terms of rulership but w/ all the spicy female personalities of the 3 main Sand Snakes + Ellaria + Myrcella, I guess it wasn’t hard for Dan & Dave to make that decision, if that’s the case. Which also leads me to believe that Griff & Young Griff will be cut as well.

    Yezzen casting? Tyrion is just gonna blow through his DWD material and w/ no Griff/Young Griff, I guess its rightfully so.

    As far as Maggy goes I don’t think it’ll be a flashback or dream sequence I think they’ll just have the current Cersei, w/ the position she’ll be in after this season is over, seek out a fortune teller and I think they’ll tweak the prophecy a bit to fit current Cersei.

  658. pollino
    Posted May 29, 2014 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Justin,

    Sure, I hadn’t thought about merging Ellaria with Arianne, but that would explain the choice of such a strong actress to play a minor character in books. It could work.

  659. Ser Habakuk
    Posted May 29, 2014 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    It’s a sad state of affairs when arguing that one particular ethnic appearance does not fit one particular fictional character earns you repeated calls of “racist” and “bigot”. Racism is a real problem. People need to stop trivializing it by applying the term to every opinion they disagree with that somehow happens to involve race.

    That said, I see no problem with changing the Waif’s backstory and making her Asian in appearance.

  660. My Little Johnny
    Posted May 29, 2014 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    D&D, I have some suggestions for actors that I really think you should consider to cast:

    Victarion Greyjoy – Ray Stevenson

    Almost everyone has wished to have him in this role and I can only agree.

    Euron Greyjoy – Christopher Meloni

    He is not British but he played a similar character on HBO’s Oz and would be almost perfectly for this role judged by looks, age and acting ability. James Purefoy could also work.

    Aeron Greyjoy – Richard Armitage

    Many would like to see him as Euron but he’s too young. Armitage fits the description of Aeron in the book. Matt King could probably pull it off otherwise.

    High Sparrow – David Hayman

    Scottish actor which is most famous for his role in the British crime drama Trial & Retribution. I you read the description of him, you see that he would do the role justice.

  661. purzo
    Posted May 30, 2014 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    And where are Euron and Victarion???

  662. Mercedes
    Posted May 30, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Any idea who the CD is for the show? I’ve read all the books and would love to audition for a role. Thanks!

  663. Cersei's Lament
    Posted May 30, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català:
    Areo Hotah: Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

    This!

  664. Reinier
    Posted May 30, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Getting a bit scared that Ellaria may take over Arianne’s role. D&D said in an interview (don’t remember which) that Ellaria will play an important part going forward.
    I hope I am wrong. Although I would love to see Ellaria playing a bigger part, Arianne is one of my favorite characters. Having Ellaria working together with Arianne would be great though.

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  666. Michael
    Posted June 1, 2014 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    It seems obvious that everyone here is talking as book fans, not as screen writers. The show runners have shown they have no problem cutting characters that add flavour (Strong Belwas) and are fine with consolidating characters that can perform similar roles (Garlan & Loras Tyrell, and Gendry & Edric Storm) as long as the characters that remain are structurally important to the plot. That means only including characters with definite relationships to already existing (in the show) characters. Trystane is in (because of the Myrcella connection) but he has virtually nothing to do in the books, so it makes sense that he would be aged up and have a much bigger role (Quentin’s role – maybe Myrcella wants to go with him but is kidnapped) and likewise because Oberyn is such a major role, it makes sense that characters which have been named with direct connections to him are definitely in (Prince Doran, the sand snakes), but not a more distant connection (his niece). The sand snakes don’t have that much to do in the books either, so it makes sense that their role might include all of Arianne’s actions. No one character can do everything she (and Quentin) do in the books, but in composite, they can cover all the Martell plot lines with just these named characters.

    Another reason I’ve got a feeling she won’t be included is that show has already indicated that it isn’t going to touch the primogeniture issue (one of the characters introduced in the Dornish party that arrived in King’s Landing episode 401 was Lord Blackmont in the show and Lady Blackmont in the books – Elio and Linda discussed that at length in their “extras” section on Mockingbird) – not because they’re pushing patriarchy – but because it’s an added complication to explain exposition wise that the show/studio thinks will distract people. Long story short, as soon as I saw this list I thought that this casting list (at least as far as Dorne is concerned) is complete.

  667. Liz Cook Belcher
    Posted June 3, 2014 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    wycoff,

    That would be epic.

  668. Lannistergal
    Posted June 5, 2014 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    yayyyy Bronn will be back!!!

  669. Lex
    Posted June 5, 2014 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    MUGger,

    From what I’ve heard it is Jamie who goes to Dorne to give something to the Dornish. I am very excited to see Obara and the Lady Nym next season – It makes me happy they aren’t cutting out the Sand Snakes.

  670. Lex
    Posted June 5, 2014 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    pollino,

    I feel like that they aren’t putting characters into the show who they don’t really need. So in terms of the “supposed” Aegon, if Martin perhaps revealed to them that ultimately he was not important and didn’t do anything significant I could see them cutting him and deviating. Now that they are so far into the series having so many characters isn’t needed, it’s time to start slimming down the casting and only bringing in new characters who help move the various plots along. Which is why I also suspect that if we don’t hear about Victarion or Euron casting for this coming 5th season (when there is only a planned 7 or 8 seasons) that most likely those Greyjoy plots don’t ultimately effect the main plot in a way large enough for them to have reason to bring in actors for characters who don’t in the end do much in Martins final ending.

  671. Lex
    Posted June 5, 2014 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Aby,

    Assuming they go with that story arc. If Aegon in the books plot doesn’t really effect any of the current main characters I don’t see the show casting him. There are only going to be seven or eight seasons, that is already set. No more than eight seasons. At this point if they aren’t casting certain characters such as those who appear in ADWD I don’t think in the end those characters change much for main POV characters who are central to main plots. So Jon and Aegon might be cut out.

  672. Paul Bettencourt
    Posted June 5, 2014 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Can I make a few recommendations?
    Joaquim de Almeida for Prince Doran.
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0021835/
    and Stephen Fry for Lord Manderly.

  673. Arristan The Old
    Posted June 6, 2014 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Abraham: F. Murray Abraham is the only Doran Martell:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000719/He played Dar Adal in Homeland, Louis CK’s mysterious Mexican uncle in Louie, among a number of other roles (including in Scarface), and he’s always great.The campaign for Abraham starts here, and it starts now.

    Yeah, he was great as Omar Suarez in Scarface, and his Salieri in Amadeus was awesome too.

    But hasn’t Ben Kingsley already been cast as Doran Martell??

  674. Phil
    Posted June 7, 2014 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    ok so unless they are cutting the kingsmoot and the Greyjoy plotlines, Griff and Young Griff. Which I hope they don’t Plus all the Sandsnakes, the Maggy thing, AND Lollys and Bronn, that’s gonna take up a lot of the season. Also we have to figure jon being elected Lord Commander (I don’t think they’ll get to that this season, plus the stuff with him and Stannis, Stannis trying to get to Winterfell, Ramsey, Theon, and Fake Arya This is all still books 4/5 stuff.

    I’m sorry, but I see no way of them doing all that for season 5 and finishing off two books GRRM hasn’t even written yet, and these books aren’t going to be split by characters, in only seasons 6-7. They are going to need at least 8, if not 9. Unless they just shorten everything, cut Greyjoys and Griff and just rush the ending. I’m saying 9 seasons now.

  675. Jaison Biagini
    Posted June 12, 2014 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    even in the books they really only talked about 3 sand snakes for the most part. the others were barely mentioned.

  676. touts petits obus
    Posted June 12, 2014 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Euh êtes vous certain de ce que vous nous affirmez ?

  677. Silvya
    Posted June 18, 2014 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Please please please I need to know where and when the casting is gonna take place. I really want to stay in GoT’s cast! I’m spanish and I would like to play Nymeria Sand!!

  678. Liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
    Posted June 18, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    What? Even the show watchers will realise the dog is nowhere near as old as his daughter. Just because they haven’t read the books doesn’t mean they’re stupid.
    Turncloak,

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