Casting Speculation

A familiar face returning to Game of Thrones for season 5?

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Some might expect things to quiet down after the season finale, but no, the fun’s just beginning when it comes to casting. Today, we have some news not about a new character, but about a fan favorite possibly returning in season five.

For spoiler reasons, we’ve tucked the actor’s name and role beneath the cut, as even being aware of the character’s return might be considered a spoiler by some, and there are spoilers for another character’s season five arc below the cut!
Tom Wlaschiha
It appears that an unexpected return may be in the works for the Faceless Man known to viewers as Jaqen H’ghar.

According to the German agency of Tom Wlaschiha, the actor is shooting a 2014 episode of the crime solving series Tatort entitled, “Borowski und die armen Kinder von Gaarden, ” and after that, in August, he’ll begin filming on Game of Thrones. The agency notes that Tom is in the main cast. Given that the website updates their News sections regularly with 2014 projects, and that Wlaschiha has appeared in several notable productions since filming GoT in 2011 (with his appearance airing in 2012), it does look like Arya’s mentor is returning to the show next year.

Wlaschiha has kept busy since his time on Game of Thrones, costarring as Sebastian Berger in Crossing Lines. He played Prince Albert in the 2014 biopic Mr. Turner and will be appearing as Philip Von Hapsburg in series 3 of Canal+’s Borgia.

In the A Song of Ice and Fire series, the face of Jaqen has not been seen since A Clash of Kings, though the Faceless Man (in different form) is still tending to business in Westeros.

The actor’s return has not been officially confirmed by HBO.

Ours is the Fury: Assuming the information is correct and that Jaqen is returning, in what capacity do you think it will be? The most obvious guess is that he’ll be taking on the role of the Kindly Man, Arya’s teacher in the House of Black and White in Braavos. There was no mention of the Kindly Man on the casting call, despite there being a Waif on the sheet. I don’t think we’re likely to see the Faceless Man of Oldtown in season five, or at all on the show, so Braavos is what makes sense to me. What does everyone think?

267 Comments

  • Personally, I think it would be great to see Tom back in the show again… book canon be damned!

  • D’Arcy,

    I considered that but the reason I’m doubting it, personally, is that they haven’t even begun the NW election storyline, so I feel like they’re not going to get to the Oldtown story. If the show goes there.

  • Is he gonna be Aryas teacher or is he just gonna be meeting Sam at the Citadel? I know he takes on the identity of Pate in AFFC but it would make more sense for the show to have him be Jaqen

  • It would be nice to see Jaqen interact with Arya more. I’m still hoping for that interaction in the books. Although it seems more likely for him to be on Braavos, there’s always a chance that the faceless man in Oldtown will appear, however unlikely. And if he was to appear, they can use any other faceless man and keep Jaqen as the Kindly Man.

  • I think it would work well to have him replace The Kindly Man in Braavos. I hope this pans out! :-)

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I thought about that as well, but I don’t see how they can stretch that storyline across an entire season (then again they have done that for things I never thought possible).

    If they are truly sticking to 7 seasons, Jon needs to be elected by mid-season and stabbed by the end of the season. I don’t see them cutting Sam’s storyline entirely, especially considering the run-in with Arya.

  • Lets not forget we still have Balon to take care of… there is also the possibility that Kevin Lannister may return and with Varys now out of the picture, someone would need to tie up that loose end. All that said, I think the kindly man is the most likely candidate.
    P.S. I think it is kinda silly for anything in this thread to be in spoiler tags :-P

  • I hope its the kindly man, that takes Jaqens face. But i dont think so. Dont know what to think until i know where they are going with it.

  • He could be in Braavos in season 5 taking the role of the kindly man and then go to Oldtown in season 6 right?

  • That will be good news. He was quite a popular character, so it will be a treat if he re-appears.

    On the other hand, we will see again the trend of people addressing themselves (and others) in the third person indefinite :D

  • I hope he does replace the Kindly Man. That is a change that makes a lot of sense for television i.e. Arya and Tywin in Season 2. Instead of introducing a new character to the already bloated cast, bring back one that people like and has good on-screen chemistry with Maisie.

  • D’Arcy,

    How’s this for a potential s5 Jon Snow/Sam timeline:

    1: Election talk at the Wall, Stannis offers to legitimize Jon Snow
    2: Jon Snow turns down the offer, Thorne and Slynt announce candidacies for LC (presumably no one but Gilly knows of Slynt’s cowardice during the battle)
    3: Jon gets dragged into the election against his better judgment OR decides to run (depending on characterization)
    4: Jon wins the election
    5: Jon sends Sam and Gilly and Maester Aemon away to protect Aemon from Melisandre — could be JUST for Aemon, no need to introduce Val and Dalla if the show would rather skip the baby switch
    6: Jon starts his brief and unpopular career as LC, Sam/Gilly/Aemon reach Eastwatch via magical jetpack teleportation
    7: Jon convinces Stannis to head south and win the northern houses, no S/G/A
    8: Jon does more unpopular things like be nice to giants and wildlings, S/G/A reach Braavos and stop off there
    9: Stannis battles for Winterfell, Aemon dies
    10: Jon gets the Pink Letter and is assassinated, S/G set off for Oldtown

  • A man doesn’t want to see The Kindly Man replaced with Jaqen H’ghar. Assuming Jon gets elected before the middle of the season, they can still send Sam to Oldtown, and work him into that, which will be cool IMO.

  • Interesting, I certainly don’t oppose to the possibility of him replacing the Kindly Man. It would definitely help to have another a familiar face for that storyline.

  • I think he’s going to be in Oldtown, for a few reasons:

    – In the books, Arya is expecting to meet Jaqen or at least someone who knows him, but she doesn’t. This gets brought up several times as she asks around, wonders to herself, etc. This makes me think that Jaqen being in Oldtown and not in Braavos is quite important to the story.

    – Sam’s story diverges from Jon’s fairly soon after Stannis arrives. Most of Sam’s story from then on is travelogue, which will almost definitely be boiled down to a few incidents (storm is bad, internal group conflict in Braavos, Maester Aemon dies, Sam & Gilly hook up), so I see no reason why he can’t reach Oldtown by the end of the season.

    – I think it’s ok if Jon/The Wall becomes de-synchronized from Sam/sea voyage/Old Town. But I think they might actually stay in sync. If Jon and the Wall get more screen time next season, and I think they will due to Team Dragonstone moving north, the show could easily blow through all of that book material in one season, IMO.

  • Not so fast, buddies. “Jaqen H’ghar is dead”, so said Jaqen H’ghar before he left Arya. There is a little chance that he will play a new character, or even a recast one. The show did bring back DC Chapman.

    Also, I do like the idea that Jaqen replaces the Kindly Man. But it seems quite hard for him to both wait for Arya in Braavos and wait for Sam at the Citadel. Jaqen the secret agent is fascinating.

  • My bet is they won’t do Oldtown or the Citadel. so Jaqen will take on the Kindly Man’s role of teaching Arya which I think is awesome. Way to make good use of a fan favorite D&D!

  • I love this idea (it makes a lot of sense) but i was really hoping that John Hurt would be cast as the Kindly Man (Maisie has great chemistry with everyone and i would have loved to have seen her with someone like John Hurt)

  • YES! I would be so incredibly happy if he returned next season as the Kindly Man. I wonder how they’ll do the House of Black and White but am considerably excited for it?!

    I think it would be interesting if the Kindly Man was first presented as an old man or the skull and then is transitioned to Jaqen’s face. That would sure make the unsullied freak out :)

    Tom was incredible in S2 and I missed him when he left, he and Maisie had fantastic chemistry and all of their scenes were thrilling.

  • But it seems quite hard for him to both wait for Arya in Braavos and wait for Sam at the Citadel..

    He can just use Littlefingers magic carpet from Season 2.

  • Bui Huu Duyet,

    But Dean had such a minor role before compared to Jaqen’s. I can imagine them reintroducing him as either Pate or the Kindly Man, with Arya and the audience knowing that he was Jaqen before.. maybe he takes on a new persona in the show? Like a “jaqen is dead, I am the kindly man” kinda deal

  • This one is a lay-up. Familiar character, perfect way of bringing him back.

    So yes, awesome to me.

  • I think this is great news if true. And yeah I’m betting rather replacing the kindly man, he will be playing him wearing the jaqen face.

  • OMG YES!!!!! Say bye to Balon Greyjoy!!!! Hope we also get Jaqen/Euron interaction and Jaqen as the Kindly man!!!

  • What if Jaqen trains Arya in Braavos for half the season then boards the ship with Sam and Gilly to Oldtown?

  • Nice. I also hope Gretajon Umber, Blackfish, Osha & Rickon, Some Freys, The Brotherhood, Kevan & Lancel, Balon, and Edmure return in some capacity. Maybe even Benjen :)

  • Unpopular opinion; I’m not happy with this.

    Jaqen is dead. He said so after changing his face, implying he would never use that face again. I admit it also has a little bit to do with the fangirls asking Jaqen to be back all the time and immediately following it up with “But the first actor, not what he turned into.”

    That sounds like you were never a fan of the character and what he stands for in the first place, you just liked the “eyecandy”. That doesn’t sit well with me, I’m sorry. What’s wrong with a different faced man taking on the “Jaqen” role again, recognizing her and helping her?

  • If he is going to be the km then it won’t be same character just same face I hope and the ot scenes shouldn’t be with that face anyway jaqen is dead pretty girl

  • Sword of the Morning,

    A very good idea.

    This is great news in general and hopefully the beginning of a good month or two of casting news. It might not make the most sense within the canon but who gives a shit. People like him, bring him back. Simple as that.

  • If he’s going to be considered as a main cast member, as this article indicates, then there’s no doubt that he will take the place of The Kindly Man for Arya’s training in Braavos. And this is a great change.

    There’s no real issue of logic, because there’s nothing that says a Faceless Man can’t change his appearance back to someone he has portrayed before. And the idea that it wouldn’t make sense because of what Jaqen is doing in the books is irrelevant. For all we know, the fact that he was in Oldtown, doing whatever it is he was doing there, could very well be something that isn’t integral to the narrative and/or his character. Or, more likely, it isn’t something that can’t be handled in a different and/or more economical way.

    Very excited about this, and I know that a lot of people – readers and non-readers alike – will share in this enthusiasm. As much as I would have loved to have seen Ian McShane as The Kindly Man, this is a more than fair trade-off.

  • I always expected him to be cast as the Faceless Man that kills Balon Greyjoy! The Kindly Man should be a stranger to Arya, shouldn’t it? Maybe they’ll change that and give her a face she recognizes in Braavos. She’ll completely isolated otherwise from known and established characters.

  • Frog: He can just use Littlefingers magic carpet from Season 2.

    Oh yes please. Give him as much to do as possible. Bring it on D&D! My body is ready woo hoo!!!

  • This is great news since I loved Jaquen H’Ghar but it begs the question what was the point of him changing his appearance in season 2 if he is just back looking like his self again.

  • YESSS!!!!!! I’ve been posting about wanting Jaqen to be Arya’s teacher in Braavos for years but I thought it would be too good to be true and never happen. Ever since Tom got cast on some other European TV show I figured my dream of him returning was dead so this is really surprising and exciting news. I can’t wait to see him and Arya reunited! As great as this is, it would have been ever better if they got him to appear in the season 4 finale for the last scene with Arya.

  • I just had this idea. What if he starts training Arya (with the aid of the girl, I forget her name, Wail?) Then later he needs to travel to Oldtown to take care of some business while the Waile continues training Arya. That way he can take the place of either Patr or the Archmaester. That’d be great in my opinion. Whatcha think?

  • Smart move. Although before I clicked on the article I was hoping for a flashback scene with Sean Bean

  • Jaqen is dead. He said so after changing his face, implying he would never use that face again.

    Right, because the Faceless Men are known for their honesty.

    I always assumed Jaqen was his real face, because half of his hair is dyed white (like the robes that the Faceless Men wear, showing allegiance to the House of Black and White).

  • Oh, and another obvious possibility is that they’ll take advantage of his popularity and give him an actual arc over the course of the season; he could meet Arya in Braavos, leave on a mission, kill Balon, kill Pate, and possibly brush up against other cast members along the way.

  • smitzzz:
    This is great news since I loved Jaquen H’Ghar but it begs the question what was the point of him changing his appearance in season 2 if he is just back looking like his self again.

    I bet he’ll have another face at first (the skull?) but it will relatively quick change into Tom Wlaschiha.

    PS: I believe there’s no need for spoiler tags here.

  • I’d happily see him be the one who kills Balon and some interaction with EUron would be a nice touch. After that maybe have him turn up in Oldtown towards the end of the season. Would be possible for him to introduce Arya to the waif and then leave her to train and go off on his mission but I think that would push even the jetpack a little too far as I think they’d have to off Balon pretty early to tell the Iron Island story in full without rushing.

  • Grynthaline,

    It’s not the eye-candy (well, probably a bit for some people) so much as the performance. If they had recast Tywin halfway through the show, I’d have been pissed, not because I think Charles Dance is hot or am not a “true fan” of what the character “represents” but because I adored his portrayal of Tywin.

    Likewise, people loved Jaqen on the show because Tom Wlaschiha did a stellar job portraying him. Sure, you could bring back “Jaqen” with a different face, but it wouldn’t be the same Jaqen that everybody loved in season 2. It might as well be a whole new character for all practical purposes, and not just because Tom had a pretty face. An actor makes a character on the screen as much or more than the writing. In a book, a character can completely change their appearance and still be obviously the same character, but you can’t completely translate Tom’s performance to a new actor.

  • I would have liked to have the kindly man, because i like him in the books. after all, he’s kind! ;)

    but jaqen is fine as well. since we have no german actors left in the show ;)

  • There aren’t any rules against using the same face as often as one likes right? Didn’t they have a wall of faces as if they were wigs to put on?

    Bringing back Tom is a win situation as viewers really enjoyed his mysterious story line. Every year my unsullied friends ask about Jaqen and when he’ll reappear. Of course, I’m still waiting for him in the books.. if that will even happen.

  • What a shame it’ll be if they ditch the Oldtown storyline (which seems to be the case if Jaqen isn’t going to Oldtown). Sam is really supposed to come into his own and I don’t see how that’ll work if he’s stuck as second to Jon for the rest of the series.

  • Im sure someone has already mentioned this, but what about Tom returning as a different character? He could be the Kindly Man wearing the same face that Jaqen was wearing. That would be pretty awesome!

  • I am wholeheartedly, unabashedly in favor of whatever changes they want to make to the source material to get this man back on the show. He was that awesome.

  • When it comes to which storylines get cut, we don’t really have enough information to say what D&D should do.
    If it turns out that Dany smashes Victarion and takes his ships to sail back to Westeros… then the whole Greyjoy storyline can easily go.
    It seems to me at the this point that George is setting up a much bigger Science vs. Magic storyline with Sam and the Citadel… but who knows.
    One thing’s for sure… a few of the storylines in Feast/Dance will get cut/simiplified.

  • Suzaku,

    It’s actually the other way around. The alchemist in Oldtown has almost identical facial features to that of the face Jaqen turned into after helping out Arya. So the black-haired, hook-nosed (or the TV-Show one that people find *ugly*, I suppose) face is probably his true face, since he’s used it in two different occasions.

    Delta1212,

    You have a point, but still it nags me because it’s so fanservicey. And I hate fanservice, even if it is something I like. I would have been okay with a cameo, but him running around with the same face just for the viewers’ sake annoys me. Oh well, it’s not like this adaptation is a perfect one, as with every change I’m shaking my head more and more (Waits for someone to reply with “Quit watching then!!!111caps).

  • YES!!!!!!!

    Best news I have heard yet! Very smart decision by D & D if he is going to be The Kindly Man……

  • ametalfellow:
    Personally, I think it would be great to see Tom back in the show again… book canon be damned!

    I agree. I mean, I still get a little bummed if they change big plot points, but even still I’ve learned to take the books and the show as 2 different things and it’s much more enjoyable. That being said, I thought Tom played an awesome Jaqen! Glad to see him coming back. (As a side note, he may even show up again in the books. I’d be surprised if Arya doesn’t come across him again.)

  • he’ll be in episode 9, when sam meets him after aemon’s death
    jon will most likely be LC by episode 5 and send Sam to oldtown with maester aemon right away
    if he’s the one in braavos, I’ll be mad.

  • Tieip,

    I want all of Jaqen’s possible story lines :). I want him as the kindly man, him with Euron, him killing Balon, him in Oldtown. I want it all. Love his character!

  • OMG

    Mrs H’ghar will be pleased, lol

    I think it’s awesome though. I haven’t read any comments but I’m guessing everybody is saying he’ll be there in place of the Kindly Man at the Temple of Black and White. That’s what I would expect at least

    Which…fucking cool

  • Zack:
    OMG

    Mrs H’ghar will be pleased, lol

    I think it’s awesome though. I haven’t read any comments but I’m guessing everybody is saying he’ll be there in place of the Kindly Man at the Temple of Black and White. That’s what I would expect at least

    Which…fucking cool

    I just thought the same thing! Is Mrs H’ghar ok? She’s probably still passed out from hearing the news

  • Well, that doesn’t make a heck of a lot of sense. He said, after all, ‘Jaqen is dead,’ implying he was done with that face I thought.

    …that being said, I’m still happy Wlaschia is returning, just because he was the perfect Jaqen.

    Three possibilities:

    1) He assassinates Balon
    2) He mentors Arya in Braavos
    3) Oldtown
    4) ???

    1 could be combined with 2 or 3 (with a little jetpack assistance), and if they stall the Oldtown storyline, they could do #2 in Season 5, and depart for #3 by the end of the season or in season 6. Of course, we know there will be big changes, so Oldtown could go out the window entirely. I would argue it seems to be one of the most exciting storylines leading into Books 6 and 7 – Sam, Jaqen, Sarella Sand, bratty Tyrell cousin, Gilly nearby, and throw possibly the Horn of Joramun in the mix and the strong possibility it is Euron’s next destination to conquer…but D&D know the outline of the rest of the series, and I do not, so I’ll trust their judgement for now on what will make good TV.

    In any case, it’s impressive they lured back a busy actor who hasn’t been on the show in 3 years. Let that sink in for a moment. :o

  • Oh shiiiit. This is this best GoT news I’ve ever read. By the old gods and the new, make this happen! I don’t care what role he plays. Even better if he has 5 roles to play. [throws books in the fire & screams R’hllor!]

  • Grynthaline,

    There’s a couple ways they could explain it though – yes I know, I just agreed with you, but I’ve changed my mind – he could explain that the ‘Tom Wlaschia’ face was his real face which he was forced to reveal before being imprisoned in the black cells. OR Arya could demand to see the old Jaqen face for familiarity’s sake. And I’m sure there are other explanations they could come up with.

  • My lords,

    I was hoping the Alchemist would be an option for the opening scene of season five. This news says otherwise and it would seem the hook nosed man will not appear again. I don’t doubt viewer’s memory but I guess it would be hard to remember his face. I don’t know. Oldstown can’t be cut. I don’t think Jaqen will replace the kindly man.

    I agree that D&D will give us Balon’s death and Jaqen will appear in Pyke.

    {M}

  • Mikken’s Mark, I don’t care how he gets here. Just get here if he can. He can windsurf into my life. Take me up on a carpet ride. He can make it in a big balloon, but he better get here soon.

  • Since Arya trusts NOBODY.. it’s not a far fetch for Jaqen to use the face she trusts. I’m so excited to see where they take this. So much killing to do.. so little time.

  • Even before we saw the leaked casting call, I was wondering if the writers might decided to bring Tom Wlaschiha back during Season 5 to reprise his role as Jaqen H’ghar. When the casting call included the Waif but not the Kindly Man, the possibility that this might actually happen grew stronger. Obviously, official confirmation will be required at some point, but as of right now I feel extremely confident in saying that Jaqen H’ghar (or at least, Tom Wlaschicha) will be playing the role of Arya’s mentor as she enters her training in the House of Black and White.

    Personally, I think that this is an interesting and welcome change. Jaqen is a fan-favorite character among both book readers and Unsullied viewers. Having him be the one to teach Arya would further increase audience investment in the Braavos storyline, given that we already know Jaqen and have the built-in history of his prior relationship with Arya. It would help to guarantee the presence of another interesting and familiar character in a setting that will otherwise be almost entirely new to viewers. Finally, his presence could also help to underscore and sell the idea of Arya struggling to discard her identity as “Arya Stark” in order to become “No One”, because while Wlaschiha’s face would be familiar, the character himself would no likely longer identify as “Jaqen H’ghar”. A picture is worth a thousand words, as they say.

    Some people have brought up Jaqen’s possible involvement in the Oldtown storyline as an alternative to him resurfacing in Braavos as Arya’s teacher. However, this is an obstacle that could simply be worked around. If it’s not seriously important to the greater endgame of the series, Sam’s trip to Oldtown could wind up being cut from the show entirely (I certainly wouldn’t be sad to see it go). But even if Oldtown is in, Sam won’t get there until the end of Season 5 at the earliest, or his entire trip could even be delayed to Season 6, depending on how things play out at the Wall. That’s more than enough time for Jaqen to train Arya, especially since the show will likely be operating on abbreviated timetable for this storyline in the interest of getting Arya back to Westeros as soon as possible. Jaqen could steal away to Oldtown as Arya prepares to depart for her first apprenticeship. Hell, he could even catch a ride on Sam’s ship! And all of this work to get Jaqen to Oldtown at all assumes that his mission there is even an important part of the series’ endgame, and not simply an Easter Egg for fans who are paying attention. I have my doubts on that front.

    Great news! I hope that we’ll get official confirmation shortly.

  • I always pictured the Kindly man as elderly, but if he played the other character, changing faces won’t be a problem Im sure I did like him before, he’d probably be great

  • Yes!!!!!!! Bring back show Jaqen! I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the actor’s take on this character. More Jaqen! More Jaqen!!! :D

  • I squealed. This is one of the few cases where as a book nerd i say screw the book purism, Jaquen is amazing he needs to be in Arya’s storyline please make it happen.

  • Sandor Claws,

    It takes away from that powerful scene where he said goodbye to Arya but we will make an exception for Tom who makes an excellent Jaqen H’ghar.

    {M}

  • Wow this is kinda huge! I hope it’s a book spoiler and that the kindly man really is Jaquen (why not? Faceless men can be anyone after all).

  • AWESOME!!! I don’t think I’ve ever been this happy about GoT related news! I really, really hope this is true. I absolutely loved what Tom did with Jaqen, I keep rewatching his scenes from S2 all the time. I always hoped D&D would bring him back, but I didn’t even dare to believe it would actually happen. And possibly as the KM? Even better! Though, I’m so greedy that I really hope they’ll still also do the Oldtown storyline with Jaqen in it and maybe even Balon’s death. No amount of Jaqen and Tom Wlaschiha is too much!

  • I was expecting this to be about Rory McCann but this is great too!

    With all the new characters being introduced next season it makes sense to change the KM into a familiar character.

    Even though it seems like FMs abandon a face once the mission is done so they won’t get caught, I still think it makes sense from a practical TV standpoint.

    Plus, he’s probably the most attractive man that’s been on the show besides NCW so the pants feels part of me is happy about this but I’ll try no to focus too much on that.

  • dont want to upset this good news but i was certain id be reading something about LS when i saw the headline

  • I gu-e-e-e-s-s I’d be OK with Tom playing the Kindly Man especially because I thought they robbed his character in season 2.( thought they gave too much to Arya / Tywin (much as I love Charles Dance)

    But I’m a bit stunned to see people assuming it’s a foregone conclusion he’d be involved with Euron and Balon since it’s not really clear in the books that [spoiler] it was a faceless man that killed Balon, it could have been a warlock just as easily.. and since when was Euron above telling a lie ? ( dragon egg)

  • Since Season 2, my mental picture has been that we’d actually see the Faceless Men who was rumored to kill Balon Greyjoy, actually assassinating him, who will then morph back into early Season 2 Jaqen (Wlaschiha) to escape Pyke.

    HOWEVER, I’ve just considered a new possibility: what if the actor will play *multiple* Facless Men? And the “Jaqen/Wlaschiha” face is just one of several at their disposal? One actor playing multiple characters, like on Orphan Black.

  • I swear Wlaschiha is the prince that was promised. Look at how he has united the fandom.

  • If this is true, it is a great decision. An elegant way to bring back a fan-favorite character without having to introduce a new face. Looking forward to it.

  • I actually kinda like this idea. The reason for Jaqens face change could have just been to get out of the Riverlands without being recognized, or he had another mission to do. This could be his real face that he is just going back to like we see Arya do a few times.

    If Sam does end up at the Citadel this season, I imagine that Jaqen could travel with him after they stop in Braavos, like others have said, whenever that happens. While he is gone the Waif could take over, since we know she is going to be cast. Throw in Balons death somewhere and we’re all set.

  • Just thought of an amazing possibility. What if it’s Arya that gets a jetpack and kills Balon? Arya kills some random people in Bravos through her training. This would give her training more significance. Would love this scenario although it would mean bringing Arya back to westeros(albeit briefly) much sooner than the books. And if Arya and Jaqen have a scene with Euron?! HOLY CRAP.

  • ak:
    dont want to upset this good news but i was certain id be reading something about LS when i saw the headline

    This is surprising to me. Never even occurred to me someone would think that, probably because I wouldn’t write a big post like this about it. LS is something that has to be hidden, otherwise it’s no surprise at all. Of course everyone’s already blown it, so…

    Also, “Face” in the title was sort of a cheesy hint. :)

  • I think it would be awesome if Jaqen H’gar makes an apperance in the prologue of season 5 as the faceless assassin that pushes Balon Greyjoy to his death. Theres enough evidence to suggest that is how Balon died and it would be crowd-pleasing to have Jaqen be that assassin who is dispatched.

  • The idea of The Kindly Man being cut is growing on me. I guess it would be redundant to have both Arya and Bran being taught by stereotypical old, white-haired mentor characters.

  • He can’t kill Balon and be the Kindly Man- one or the other. Arya won’t be getting to Braavos any later than episode 2, and she will be greeted by the Kindly Man/his replacement. If that will be Jaquen, there’s just no way he gets from Pyke to Braavos within one episode- the show has stretched some travel boundaries before but that would be way too crazy. There’s always the option Balon will die off screen or that some random extra will play the assassin.

    And yes, I immediately thought that Sam and Jaquen can take the same ship to Oldtown (their plots intersect in Braavos). He could also replace the ship captain character that helps Sam. That’s not to say it will absolutely happen, but we’ll see. Either way, we won’t get near the Citadel till season 6.

  • Harry Lime,

    My only issue with this is “Jaqen is dead” but I’ll get over it. This could bring some seriously fun scenes, it’ll be Arya’s season to steal. And Stannis, Theon and the Boltons (of course). We really need a Manderly and fake Arya casting now.

  • While I am fascinated that we may directly get Balon’s killer out of this, which would make sense, maybe they’ll also combine Balon’s faceless man killer with Darkstar? From Pyke to Dorne…any sense in that? In any case, this has me thrilled.

  • Please be true! I know the Faceless Men can change their faces, but I really would like to see him return to the show.

  • jentario:
    He can’t kill Balon and be the Kindly Man- one or the other. Arya won’t be getting to Braavos any later than episode 2, and she will be greeted by the Kindly Man/his replacement. If that will be Jaquen, there’s just no way he gets from Pyke to Braavos within one episode- the show has stretched some travel boundaries before but that would be way too crazy. There’s always the option Balon will die off screen or that some random extra will play the assassin.


    And yes, I immediately thought that Sam and Jaquen can take the same ship to Oldtown (their plots intersect in Braavos). He could also replace the ship captain character that helps Sam. That’s not to say it will absolutely happen, but we’ll see. Either way, we won’t get near the Citadel till season 6.

    D&D are giving Jaime a jet back. I don’t think they really care for logistics which I’m fine with

  • “The most obvious guess is that he’ll be taking on the role of the Kindly Man”. Well, if the first, and apparently obvious assumption is a wild deviation from the books, then I’m even more worried about where this show is headed. Jaqen as the Kindly Man just reads as cloying fan service to me.
    Arya’s storyline in Braavos is built on the idea of her going there with the full expectation of seeing a friendly face (Jaqen) when she gets there, only for that to be ripped out from under her when the Kindly Man says he doesn’t know who she’s talking about. The full weight of her decision suddenly resonates in her realization that she’s effectively alone in a strange country/culture she knows nothing about, without the father figure she was expecting to look after her. And as much as the House of Black and White is willing to train her, she’s effectively on her own in her journey from this point.
    The show is full of moments where characters who would benefit from meeting up almost do, and then don’t; or when they do, it’s disastrous rather than beneficial (see Brienne meeting Arya). So why would Arya meet Jaqen again? Because she wants to?
    Jaqen killing Balon and then heading off to Oldtown seems much more likely to me. Don’t forget, he was in Westeros for a reason, assumably a mission; he wasn’t just hanging around for the sake of it. So having him just wander back to Braavos from Harrenhal is a bit of a plot hole.

    Also, for those suggesting that the Kindly Man will just put on Jaqen’s face so Arya feels comfortable with him; there aren’t multiple copies of his face. It’s not a glamour, it’s someone’s actual face that has been harvested and worn as a mask. Not something he would have access to while Jaqen still has it.

  • Fair Lords,

    speaking from a preference standpoint I am expecting to see Jaqen carrying out a role away from the House of Black and White. Accepting the chance of combining characters due to the limitations of screen time, I promote having a separate part reserved for the priest/leader/mentor who serves the many faced God. This would maintain or perhaps expand the collectiveness of the Guild.

    {M}

  • good choice of the producers in replacing the Kindly Man for him! I expect the season to end with him and Sam (after Aemon’s death) departing from Braavos to Oldtown

  • Troublesome Birdsong,

    I was commenting at the same time otherwise I would have directly responded because I was contemplating similar implications. The concept of forsaking one’s identity (that you alluded to) is an influential piece from the writing.

  • It may be a deviation, but it’s been a common fan theory for a long time. He may well only be appearing as the Faceless Man taking out Euron or showing up on Oldtown, but those would be very limited appearances and something of a waste to bring him back for only that. I think this is a case where it’s a subtle character difference that only book readers would quibble over and care about, having Kindly Man vs. Jaqen. It doesn’t really hurt the story overall. The effect is the same, if the change is made: Arya has a teacher.

    ONIT:
    Great! But the royal name is spelled Habsburg with a b, not a p?!!

    Not really up to me to debate his official resume of his character name. I go by what the resume says.
    http://www.hamiltonhodell.co.uk/cv/client_tom-wlaschiha_id_100056.htm
    The show probably spelled it wrong.

  • Grynthaline: Suzaku

    He only used it on one occasion; it’s the face he adopts after he leaves Arya, and he presumably continues to use it up until then.

    My assumption was that he had a false identity in King’s Landing, dropped it after entering the Black Cells, and took a new identity after meeting Arya.

    Of course, it’s all purely speculation ad we have no idea how he got into the Black Cells in the first place. Unless he’s Syrio.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    “The effect is the same: Arya has a teacher.”

    Do you think if they go the route of Jaqen in Braavos there will be a role for the FM to play in Oldstown pertaining to the overall story?
    I recognize that we are ahead of ourselves (show-wise) and it may be too early to speculate.

    {M}

  • Troublesome Birdsong: “The most obvious guess is that he’ll be taking on the role of the Kindly Man”. Well, if the first, and apparently obvious assumption is a wild deviation from the books, then I’m even more worried about where this show is headed.

    Fealty was not promised, lovely girl. Only death.

  • Why can’t the citadel just be in bravvos. That seems like the simplest way to keep the arcs together

  • I’m surprised by how many people think the Oldtown plot will be in the show. To me, that is the most obvious cut. For one, there has been no talk of magical horns. Two, there is no Dalla and her baby. Three, do we really want to see Sam have a seperate storyline on the show?

  • Tom Wlaschiha,in an interview before season 2 did say he would become ‘Arya’ teacher , not a lot of that in season 2, but S4E10 they did play that S2E10 excerpt where he said if you ever want to find ME again ….
    He will probably tell Arya not to call he Jaqen but my bet is he will be the Kindly Man.

  • Wonderful news. Tom was absolutely captivating as Jaqen. I will take him back – and forego book canon – wherever they place him.

    Looking forward to more casting news and rumors.

  • Troublesome Birdsong,

    fuck if it is fan service than I am down with the changes. If you don’t like fan service than deal with it, this aint your story, you don’t get to choose who gets to be in the tv show.

  • The Doctor: I never forget a face.
    The Curator: I know you don’t. And in years to come you might find yourself revisiting a few. But just the old favorites, eh?

  • I hate to read too much into this but have to wonder if this is confirmation that for whatever reason, the FM wanted Arya all along.

    I’ve always thought this because there are so many coincidences. First she gets training from Syrio and it’s never mentioned how Ned came to hire him. Then she gets life lessons from Jaqen. It’s never mentioned how he came to be in the black cells and we are never told who he was in Westeros to assassinate. He offers to take her to Braavos and when she doesn’t want to plants the suggestion in her head and gives her that coin which gets her delivered straight to the House of Black & White. It certainly seems like she was pulled there. Having Jaqen be of increased importance makes me feel better about that theory. Maybe I’m reaching though.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    The show rather pointedly showed a small horn mixed in with the dragonglass shards in S2–just like in the books. A cool production detail? The production designer loves the books and likes to keep every detail? Perhaps, but more likely it has at least some significance.

    I would argue that discussion of the Horn of Joramun was stalled b/c 1) they wanted to make Mance more sympathetic and 2) He didn’t need a Horn of Joramun, there’s no need to make threats like that when they both know he’s about to crush the Night’s Watch. In the show it wouldn’t have made sense.

    On the other hand, they’ve been building up Sam’s bravery and independence from Jon and given him an excellent character arc, arguably strongly improved from the books. He needs to fly the coop.

    I dunno, as I’ve said before, I think the Oldtown storyline looks to be the single most exciting one going into the final two books. More likely than it being cut, is that it will be delayed to S6 (or the finale of S5) sparing us New Character Overload in S5 and giving us a fresh storyline in S6.

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Old_warhorn

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Hell yea Lord pampslap,
    the watch needs a Maester and Sam can’t get a cheap online degree at the Wall. Let me know if I am completely off or is the Citadel not important. I seem to remember them having a certain distaste for dragons?

    {M}

  • Maverick:

    this aint your story, you don’t get to choose who gets to be in the tv show.

    Um, of course it’s not my story; my concern is that it’s not Martin’s story. And I do want him in the show again… just, doing what he actually does.

    While a lot of D&D’s changes work and streamline or remove arguably unnecessary storylines and tertiary characters, the Kindly Man is an important and engaging enough character on his own not to need to be merged with someone pre-existing. If they aren’t going to have the Oldtown storyline for whatever reason, that’s fine, but I’d rather they didn’t bring Jaqen back at all then, and just have a new actor for the Kindly Man.

  • I’m surprised people are debating what type of role he is going to play, it’s pretty obvious he is going to be Arya’s teacher. They are not going to bring him back just for a few scenes in a storyline most of the audience won’t be very interested in or even understand. The Oldtown stuff will either be cut or get very little screen time, Balon is most likely going to die off screen. Reuniting him with Arya is too good for them to pass up. Call it “fan service” or whatever you want but it’s going to be awesome and the fans will love it.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    I’m surprised by how many people think the Oldtown plot will be in the show. To me, that is the most obvious cut. For one, there has been no talk of magical horns. Two, there is no Dalla and her baby. Three, do we really want to see Sam have a seperate storyline on the show?

    I am just as surprised that people think Oldtown will be cut. As someone said above, it is part of the overarching magic v no magic plot and connects Dany with the Starks via the FM, and Jon via the obsidian candles. The Oldtown crew then connects all of them with with Dorne via Alleras. Also, the maester who looks like a bulldog (whose name escapes me) trained in eastern magic with MMD, remember? Oldtown is very important, especially with Sam joining them.

    Glad to see Tom back. Loved his Jaqen! We shall see where he ends up…

  • Troublesome Birdsong,

    Jaqen isn’t even doing anything cool in the story. All we know is he is standing around in a circle jerk with a bunch of masters at the citadel doing jack shit. unless you know something important he does in AFFC and ADWD.

  • Maverick:
    Troublesome Birdsong,

    Jaqen isn’t even doing anything cool in the story. All we know is he is standing around in a circle jerk with a bunch of masters at the citadel doing jack shit. unless you know something important he does in AFFC and ADWD.

    So you’re saying they shouldn’t bring him back because he’s not doing anything cool at the moment. Fair enough. I agree with you on that basis, they shouldn’t bring him back.

  • Great to hear we will have our favorite FM actor back, cannot wait, Tom and Maisie had great chemistry. As for Oldtown vs Braavos, the show may relocate it too Braavos, if you look at a screen shot of the tv adaption, just to the right of the Titan’s head you can see a massive citadel structure with a very tall tower. From every description of the city I have read and every artist’s interpretation I have seen, that structure is not present. Therefore it just might be Maester U.

  • Troublesome Birdsong,

    No I’m saying to hell with the canon. They should do their own thing. Make Jaqen train Arya and it will be 100 times better than GURMs version. I don’t see the problem of removing a boring ass character like the Kindly Man. Fan Service FTW!!

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think we do need to see a separate Sam arc personally. He needs to get away from Jon to help him evolve into the man he will ultimately become replacing Aemon as the Wall’s Maester. Also, there are hints that the Citadel will play a more prominent role coming up in the last books….. (I had the same feeling about Dorne, an arc many said would surely be cut or cut down to nothing on the TV series). I admit that does not mean it will necessarily be included in the TV series….

    I do wonder if they could place the Citadel in a city other than Oldtown. Maybe Braavos or White Harbor (if they do show the Manderly arc).

  • I think this is a brilliant idea, given how many people go on and on about how boring they think Arya’s Braavos story is. Having Jaqen train her is a great way to deal with this (and, in all honestly, I would have loved this to be in the book as well).

    Very smart. :)

  • Darquemode,

    I think the Citadel stuff is interesting in the books, and am curious to see what happens with Marwyn, but it is tough to envision all that making it on the TV show, though I wouldn’t be against it, as I find Marwyn very interesting.

  • John M W,

    Really? People think that Arya’s training in Braavos is a boring storyline? That’s nuts. It’s the arc that I’m looking forward to most in Season 5.

  • He will be shown assassinating Balon Greyjoy, paid by Euron Greyjoy, in the form of a dragon egg he “threw into the sea.”

  • Erik E,

    Sticking to this Ser Erik. Not afraid to be wrong and could conceive that they would rehire an actor for a “small” (for lack of a more appropriate term) part.

    Jaqen has a job to do and specific knowledge to gain at the Citadel.

    {M}

  • I loved his portrayal of Jaqen, but I find that the world shrinks a lot when characters bump into the same characters again. Despite the fears of a “bloated cast,” Pedro Pascal’s Red Viper gave season 4 a very fresh and interesting vibe, which also served to show the breadth and depth of the cultures of Westeros. Imagine if they decided to just have Bronn, a fan favorite, fill that role? I would prefer that the Kindly Man be a new, great actor that viewers could learn to love (or at least, find interesting) in season 5, rather than rehash a character from season 2. When this sort of “bringing back a fan favorite” thing has happened in other multi-season shows, I always got the distinct sense that the show was running out of interesting new material. And I would hate for Jaqen, no matter how cool, to contribute to that feeling for GoT.

    But we don’t know if he’ll be playing the Kindly Man, so I will reserve judgment for now. I personally hope he ends up appearing just for the Balon kill, and nothing else.

  • Maverick:
    Troublesome Birdsong,

    No I’m saying to hell with the canon. They should do their own thing. Make Jaqen train Arya and it will be 100 times better than GURMs version. I don’t see the problem of removing a boring ass character like the Kindly Man. Fan Service FTW!!

    But there’s no rulebook requiring that D&D make the Kindly Man a boring character! Just as Pascal elevated a generally stock character (the Red Viper), a great actor (and script) could combine to make for a great new Kindly Man character. I understand the impulse to bring back a fan favorite, but it has that slight stench of fan service that I never like.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    It really all depends on how the Citadel libraries play into the endgame in the books I guess… If they do not play an integral role then I can see the TV series cutting it easily, but if they play an integral role to the final chapters of the series…. Maybe it will make the TV series.

    We may get an idea before the season starts if production information about Nymeria’s arc points towards The Citadel…. Assuming TV-Nymeria is a combination of Sarella and Nymeria

    Oh well, I’m not too invested in The Citadel or characters related to it in the series honestly… I won’t be upset if it is cut from the TV series.

    I will say though, I prefer Jaqen not take the place on Kindly Man. From the rumors it sounds like I will have to accept him teaching Arya though… I loved TW as Jaqen, but to me it makes more sense if Arya is removed from everything and everyone she knows when she enters the House of Black and White. Jaqen provides a connection to her past. .

  • Darquemode,

    Agreed. There’s something regressive about Arya being taught by Jaqen. IMO, Braavos should be completely new, unfamiliar, frightening and uncomfortable for Arya, and Jaqen just makes it all seem “safer.” I’m going to go out on a limb and say that despite the awesomeness of this actor, having him train Arya could be a serious mistake. And as some of you may know, I am certainly no book purist!

  • Maverick:
    Troublesome Birdsong,

    No I’m saying to hell with the canon. They should do their own thing. Make Jaqen train Arya and it will be 100 times better than GURMs version. I don’t see the problem of removing a boring ass character like the Kindly Man. Fan Service FTW!!

    For the record, the Kindly man is not a boring character. 1. The process that Ayra undertakes stems from his methods. 2. The historical knowledge he possesses of the Guild.

    If we are talking “fan service” then Jaqen’s fans want to know who he is, where does he come from and what are his motives? I was not bored when he told Arya about “the First Faceless Man”. To be clear I am not arguing that Jaqen couldn’t fill that role, only that that role is very intriguing.

    {M}

  • Because a fairly minor change to make fans happy is a bad thing, apparently? On your planet?

    Troublesome Birdsong: cinated that we may directly get Balon’s killer out of this, which would make sense, maybe they’ll also combine Balon’s faceless man killer with Darkstar? From Pyke to Dorne…any sense in that? In any case, this has me thrill

  • ArgonathofBraavos,

    You are not going out on a limb my Lord,

    that is a reasonable concern. Arya has to detach herself in order to become no one……..however, she did keep Needle. Maybe that is a sign that down the road she will be inclined to leave. She has mastered her training relatively quickly and if she is a warg she will become an absolute force of nature.

    {M}

  • ArgonathofBraavos:
    Darquemode,

    Agreed. There’s something regressive about Arya being taught by Jaqen. IMO, Braavos shouldbe completely new, unfamiliar, frightening and uncomfortable for Arya, and Jaqen just makes it all seem “safer.” I’m going to go out on a limb and say that despite the awesomeness of this actor, having him train Arya could be a serious mistake. And as some of you may know, I am certainly no book purist!

    You are no book purist and neither are you one of those whiners on this site. Given that you are one of the few that comes with logic I will have to respect your comment.

    If it is indeed a change, to often people jump the gun and assume which set themselves for disappointment. I personally don’t mind if the change we think is true. Braavos is mysterious and so is jaqen so it fits perfect. The replacement fits for me and see no difference between the teacher. Braavos at the end of the day will still remain uncomfortable

  • She just demonstrated quite clearly with Brienne that she doesn’t trust strangers anymore.

    She would reject the help of the Kindly Man, but almost certainly accept help from Jaqen.

    ArgonathofBraavos:
    Darquemode,

    Agreed. There’s something regressive about Arya being taught by Jaqen. IMO, Braavos shouldbe completely new, unfamiliar, frightening and uncomfortable for Arya, and Jaqen just makes it all seem “safer.” I’m going to go out on a limb and say that despite the awesomeness of this actor, having him train Arya could be a serious mistake. And as some of you may know, I am certainly no book purist!

  • KG,

    The Kindly Man is not offering. Arya is willing. She says her list before bed every night and as far as she knows the Kindly man is her key. Yeah she trusted only Jaqen but he sent her to the House of B & W. In order to learn the way of the assassin she has to become no one and upon her arrival lesson 1 teachers her that Jaqen H’ghar does not exist.

    {M}

  • …and a great disturbance was felt in the fanforce as millions of vaginas moistened as one …

  • I met Wlaschiha at a reading (of Arya’s final chapter in “A Clash of Kings”) and he was extremely nice and great with the fans, sticking around after the event for photos and autographs. I don’t really care if the story deviates from the books – he deserves any role he can get and would definitely be welcome on “Game of Thrones” again!

    Great news! :D

  • I don’t want him to take the place of the Old Man. It takes away from the mystery of the Faceless Men, it makes them look small. Sure, if they reveal later that they are the same person…. why not??? But everything should be a mystery there and I really really want to see the scene with Arya eating the worm :)

  • Firannion:
    ace, A viewer has no problem with this reversion to quirky syntax.

    Turncloak: D&D are giving Jaime a jet back. I don’t think they really care for logistics which I’m fine with

    I’m aware of that, but even Yara took 6 episodes to get to the Dreadfort. Jaquen would have to get on a ship away from the Iron Islands, go all around Westeros and arrive in Braavos all in one episode, tops. It would be far worse than any jet packing the show has done before- even worse than Jamie getting to Dorne within one episode- and that’s be assuming Arya misses out on the premiere. It’s just not going to happen in my opinion. We either won’t see Balon’s death or it’ll be some extra. That’s my bet.

  • Love the actor, love the character. Not sure how they’ll do it but I’ll be very glad to see him again.

  • Its really amazing, but at this point in the show, we can literally tell what is important and what is superfluous based on whether D&D cut it from the show!

    The fact that there has been zero word about the Iron Islands is troubling to say the least… BUT I will admit, they have been playing up Sam more, giving him more scenes and depth. They have also been givin Aemon a lot of screen time too, which leads me to believe that they WILL in fact be sent to Old Town.

  • One thing that they could do alternatively is:
    -A faceless man kills Balon, then changes his face into Jaquen as he escapes the crime scene. We could have Balon ask “who are you?” then Jaquen says “no one” and kills him, revealing his beautiful face to the viewers. That could work as the opening to season 5.
    -Later in the season, Jaquen appears in Braavos. He has a discussion with the Kindly Man (telling him the job is done) and a cool run-in with Arya.
    -The Kindly Man sends him on a mission to go to Oldtown. Jaquen meets Sam in Braavos and helps him out, also offering a ride on his ship.
    -He is present at Aemon’s funeral, and convinces Sam to reveal his Fat Pink Mast to Gilly.
    -They see Oldtown in the distance.

    Then he can carry on as a main cast member in season 6 where he’ll be deeply involved in Sam’s Oldtown arc.

    It could work, but I don’t know. I wouldn’t bet on it. It really depends on how Sam’s chapters play out in TWOW and how important it is to have a Faceless Man there. The obvious move is to just cast him as the Kindly Man and be done wit it.

  • jentario,

    You’re forgetting that Littlefinger went from a kings landing to the storm land and then to Harrenhall… In 2 episodes

  • ArgonathofBraavos:
    I loved his portrayal of Jaqen, but I find that the world shrinks a lot when characters bump into the same characters again. Despite the fears of a “bloated cast,” Pedro Pascal’s Red Viper gave season 4 a very fresh and interesting vibe, which also served to show the breadth and depth of the cultures of Westeros. Imagine if they decided to just have Bronn, a fan favorite, fill that role? I would prefer that the Kindly Man be a new, great actor that viewers could learn to love (or at least, find interesting) in season 5, rather than rehash a character from season 2. When this sort of “bringing back a fan favorite” thing has happened in other multi-season shows, I always got the distinct sense that the show was running out of interesting new material. And I would hate for Jaqen, no matter how cool, to contribute to that feeling for GoT.

    But we don’t know if he’ll be playing the Kindly Man, so I will reserve judgment for now. I personally hope he ends up appearing just for the Balon kill, and nothing else.

    They wouldn’t out Jaqen in the main cast just to kill of Balon…

  • My hope is the Kindly Man takes on the Jaqen persona in order to gain Arya’s trust, while the FM that Arya met is still out on his mission.

  • Turncloak,

    That’s still not the same as getting all around Westeros and then to Braavos in one episode or even potentially within the same episode (if Arya is in the premiere). That would be way worse than any teleporting the show has done so far. Especially considering it took Yara six episodes to do roughly the same trip in season 4.

  • I would not like Jaqen to be the same person as the Kindly Man. The Faceless Men shouldn’t all be combined into one person. They are an organization, not a lone wolf. At minimum you need two, both logistically and from a characterization point of view.

    I am also surprised that so many people are saying “Cut Oldtown” when we have no idea what it is all about yet. It could be totally critical to the storyline! In fact, I hope it is. But we won’t know until Winds of Winter.

  • One of my comments from before disappeared. The point is, Jaquen may not be the Kindly Man (they could have had someone in mind for the role which is why he wasn’t on the list- it’s definitely THAT kind of role that brings up a lot of potential candidates and doesn’t require an open casting call). If so, he could assassinate Balon early in the season, then reach Braavos in the midseason and interact with Arya and the Kindly Man, then get sent on a mission to Oldtown and give Sam a hand (letting him take a ride on his ship). It’d still be a fairly major role.

    But I definitely don’t see him being both the Kindly Man and Balon’s assassin. One or the other IMO.

  • Personally I am glad to see Jaqen to the show. I think that it would make sense for the continuity for the way some of the storylines have been set on the tv series versus the books, especially when it comes to Arya’s! Plus we would get back a good actor!

    I bet wherever she is, Ms. H’ghar must be very happy to see her husband return to the limelight! Party on Ms. H’ghar!

    In somewhat unrelated news, Queen Elizabeth II visited the GoT set during her trip to Northern Ireland. She met with cast members like Lena Headey, Rose Leslie and Kit Harrington amongst others. She did not sit on the Iron Throne (see below), and who can blame her given that throne’s history…her throne has a pretty long and bloody history as it is…She still came pretty close to it!

    http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/queen-elizabeth-ii-visits-belfast-set-of-game-of-thrones-declines-to-sit-on-iron-throne/

  • Considering how they have to tackle the changing identities of the FM in the show, especially a major character, I would suspect that the audience will see the “new faces” temporarily but then revert back to the major actor so we can keep track. Meanwhile in the story to everyone else they will only see and react to the new faces. If that makes sense lol

  • I think the most sensible way to do things is to have the Waif replace The Kindly Man and have her briefly change to Jaqen’s face to gain Aryas’s confidence.
    This means “Jaqen” can be at Pyke to off Balon and also be in striking distance of Oldtown for the later parts of the season.
    Another idea would be to have Euron asssassinate Balon himself as would give the character more gravitas.

  • Joe Frost,

    Euron assassinating Balon himself would be an excellent change. I’m surprised I never thought of that. Just hope we get Euron! The lack of a casting announcement of him, Arianne, and Aegon is worrisome

  • Would kind of be neat if “the face” of the faceless man was all over the place at the same time. Going all Orphan Black.

  • Chad Brick: I would not like Jaqen to be the same person as the Kindly Man. The Faceless Men shouldn’t all be combined into one person. They are an organization, not a lone wolf. At minimum you need two, both logistically and from a characterization point of view.

    My take on this is any Faceless Man can utilize the “Jaqen” appearance. The “Jaqen” she met in Harrenhal and the “Jaqen” she will meet in Braavos are not necessarily the same Faceless Man. I hope the show eventually makes this distinction.

  • I can imagine the dialogue:

    KINDLY MAN: A man is not Jaqen H’ghar. Jaqen H’ghar is dead. A man is no one.
    ARYA: You are no one.

  • I figured he’d appear again, it fits the pattern we’ve seen on the show so far (combining Gendry and Edric Storm, Loras and Willas etc.)
    I’m more curious how they’ll deal with Arya changing faces. There’s no way they’ll replace Maisie for large stretches of Arya’s story

  • Jared,

    Is it possible that Syrio will be the one teaching Arya as the kindly man? Just a thought. Syrio did not die on camera either or in the books. Maybe Syrio will be in Oldtown. I’d love to see him come back too.

  • Dolorous Ned,

    I see it working similar to Quantum Leap. We will see reflections once in a while to remind us how the other characters view her, but the audience will simply see Maisie acting.

  • Jagen is one of my favorite characters, even though he’s only in 10 minutes of season two. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense for him to replace the Kindly Man, though. The Kindly Man always says he doesn’t know who Jagen is.

  • Very wise adaptation choice. There is a possibility they could have their cake and eat it too regarding Oldtown and Balon’s assassination. They could introduce at least one other recognizable Faceless Man at the House of Black and White. This character could be somebody Arya gets to know (beyond the Kindly Man and the Waif). Then that recognizable character could leave and be the one to perform the Oldtown mission.

    Or they could do it in reverse and this new Faceless Man could assassinate Balon early in Season 5. That character could later return to the House of Black and White and get to know Arya then.

    That way you don’t imply that Jaqen is the only Faceless Man who we see on missions, traveling everywhere with a jetpack…

  • Troublesome Birdsong: Also, for those suggesting that the Kindly Man will just put on Jaqen’s face so Arya feels comfortable with him; there aren’t multiple copies of his face. It’s not a glamour, it’s someone’s actual face that has been harvested and worn as a mask. Not something he would have access to while Jaqen still has it.

    But that FM is done using that face and would likely send it back in exchange for a new one for a future mission. It wouldn’t be hard for D&D to come up with a way for that face to be back in Braavos.

  • Syrio is dead, people. Bryan Cogman said so in a GoO podcast last month.

    I don’t think two Faceless Men can use the same face. Though, we still know very little of the Faceless Men’s secrets, so it’s pretty difficult to determine what is possible for them and what isn’t. To me it seems like they use both glamour and the actual faces of dead people to achieve the best result. I see some people don’t like that Jaqen is going back to using an old face because the FM don’t do that. Is that actually confirmed in the books that an FM can’t use the same face more than once? I don’t think that would make sense, since it looks like they can “summon” a different face when they like, as we saw Jaqen do with Arya. It’s not like he put on a new face or took off a face physically in that situation. Jaqen’s line “Jaqen is dead” is actually continued in the books “Jaqen is as dead as Arry” which could indicate that the FM-who-was-Jaqen can put on and off the Jaqen identity as easily as Arya can do it with Arry.

    Also, of course the KM knows who Jaqen is. Why would Jaqen have sent Arya to The House of Black and White if he didn’t represent them? It makes no sense.

  • I’m reminded of The Terminator. Mash him up. Blow him up. Melt him down. You can just make another.
    It’s easy to imagine that this is NOT Jaqen H’ghar, but that the Jaqen H’ghar face is just one in the repertoire of all the Faceless Men, and perhaps the Kindly Man back in Faceless HQ as well. Really interesting approach might be if we were to see him in the House of Black and White AND in the Citadel at the same time. Then the question for Arya becomes whether this really is her trusted buddy Jaqen H’ghar from travels on the road and from Harrenhal …or someone else entirely.

  • I had a feeling this might happen given how popular the character and actor were. Frankly I am fine with it, I don’t see the harm in bringing Jaqen back for Arya’s arc.

  • ArgonathofBraavos,

    The world doesn’t shrink in this case. Arya was told by Jaqen how and where to find him; Arya did exactly what he told him. Then she finds him. Not a stretch at all.

    Also, Jaqen doesn’t have to substitute the Kindly Man. He can still be there as an overall Master of the place (a Yoda), while Jaqen does the day-to-day training of Arya (a Obi-Wan.) Arya has something similar in the books, although I don’t remember his name. Why have him be a nobody? Make him be Jaqen and inflate the role.

  • Ser Matt the Sullen,

    The fact that Dany in the show has an intact Meereenese navy that can take most of her army tells me Victarion is superfluous. Considering the Horn of Winter hasn’t been mentioned, I imagine it is cut and the other Horn is as well. In that case… I don’t see a place for the Greyjoys. The strange thing is, they WILL have a storyline, we know that. Bryan Cogman said there will be consequences for Yara fleeing the Dreadfort, which sounds like an argument against her at the Kingsmoot, doesn’t it? And there are those reports of the Kingsmoot location already having been selected… I don’t know. I’d like them to be in, and some rumors and theories point to that fact, but then there is Dany’s intact Meereneese fleet.

  • Luka Nieto Garay,

    The Yunkai and Volantene Navies might do serious damage to those ships. It’s still not clear to me that Vic’s only purpose is to provide transport to Westeros, either.

    I really hope we get that Kingsmoot; the hints you mention have me hopeful.

  • Turncloak,

    When did “episode” become a unit of time? Yes, Littlefinger goes from King’s Landing to Renly’s camp in-between two episodes, and then again from the Stormlands to Harrenhal between two other episodes, but we do not know how much time passes. In fact, most (though not all) storylines in the middle of season 2 seem to be at a standstill, so quite a long time can pass between episodes. Littlefinger never travels great distances in the span of *a single* episode, but *between* two episodes.

  • Luka Nieto Garay,

    D&D have stated that they will give Jaime a “jetpack” on season 5. Meaning that they don’t have much regard for what typical distances should be covered which doesnt bother me. It’s totally possible to see Jaqen follow a similar path in getting from one place to another in 1-2 episodes.

  • Luka Nieto Garay,

    Also Little finger leaves to arrive in the Stormlands right after the episode in which Tyrion gives him the order to. The episode in which he departs the stormlands(his conversation with Margaery and Loras) we see him in Harrenhall in the subsequent episode. So it took Littlefinger a total of two episodes of travel time to cover Kings Landing-Stormlands-Harrenhall.

    My point is that THIS DOES NOT BOTHER ME. GRRM himself said that his readers should not think about such things when reading his books when a fan told him that it was impossible for Stannis to arrive at the wall in such little time

  • A welcome re-addition. Seeing his (handsome if I may add) face again will be a delight and a great connection to Arya. Excellent casting choice.

  • Turncloak,

    The “jetpack” wouldn’t bother me either, especially if it’s a mysterious Faceless Man. My point is that Petyr’s season 2 “jetpack” is not a valid criticism: we never see him travel from A to B DURING an episode, but IN-BETWEEN episodes. So there is no “two episodes of travel time”. “Episode” is not a valid unit of time, and we don’t know how much time elapses in-between on-screen events.

    Anyway, Littlefinger does not go from King’s Landing, to the Stormlands, to Harrenhal in the span of two episodes. In episode three (“What is Dead May Never Die”) Littlefinger is given the mission, and in episode four (“Garden of Bones”) he arrives at Renly’s Camp. After counseling the Tyrell kids in episode five (“The Ghost of Harrenhal”), he arrives at Harrenhal in episode six (“The Old Gods and the New.”) So the whole unseen journey beginning at King’s Landing and ending at Harrenhal takes 4 episodes, not 2.

  • Luka Nieto Garay,

    You just restated my point, Littlefinger uses the time in between 2 total episodes to get from Kings Landing-(1 in between episode)Stormlands stays one episode before begins traveling and then(1 in between episode)-Harrenhall. I’ll concede that on between episode might not be a good measure of time. Since you say it’s not a good measure of time than you should have no problem with Jaime and/or Jaqen doing the same thing

  • Turncloak:
    Luka Nieto Garay,

    D&D have stated that they will give Jaime a “jetpack” on season 5. Meaning that they don’t have much regard for what typical distances should be covered which doesnt bother me. It’s totally possible to see Jaqen follow a similar path in getting from one place to another in 1-2 episodes.

    I think the “jetpack” reference is a mistaken allusion to the “gravity belt” from Bad Lipreading

    http://youtu.be/5Krz-dyD-UQ

    Do you think it is a reference to Jaime going all the way to Dorne then up to the Riverlands to meet up with Brie in one season?

  • Luka Nieto Garay,

    I referenced Littlefinger’s “jetpack” because that’s the same exact word used by D&D for Jaime when talking about season 5. Since Littlefinger’s “jetpack” talk originated on this website in the season 2 discussion (coined by Tyrion Pimpslap I believe) it’s not farfetched to say D&D read the discussions before taking their oath against the internet boards. Hence their use of the “jetpack” term is their way of acknowledging a character can move greater distances in a short amount of episodes when the story deems it necessary(again this is totally legit since as you stated the number of in between episodes is not a good indicator of time passed). I can see them use a similar approach with other characters such as Jaqen

  • Fancy word for a sellsword,

    As stated in my previous post, yes it seems that jetpack stands for travel time. Especially since we know that Jaime is going to Dorne in season 5 and presumably he won’t be there all season. Also, like I stated on my previous post, D&D use to visit message boards before they finally decided against doing so(which I think was the right move since I’m a culprit of criticizing them from time to time when my book purist demon breaks from it’s cage)

  • Sunfyre:
    Turncloak,

    I agree, although it is likely they heard the term from Cogman since he’s known to come around these parts.

    Yea I feel sorry for Cogman haven’t to listen us crazy fans complain :p. atleast this is better than twitter

  • Luka Nieto Garay:
    ArgonathofBraavos,

    The world doesn’t shrink in this case. Arya was told by Jaqen how and where to find him; Arya did exactly what he told him. Then she finds him. Not a stretch at all.

    Also, Jaqen doesn’t have to substitute the Kindly Man. He can still be there as an overall Master of the place (a Yoda), while Jaqen does the day-to-day training of Arya (a Obi-Wan.) Arya has something similar in the books, although I don’t remember his name. Why have him be a nobody? Make him be Jaqen and inflate the role.

    Chris:
    I’m reminded of The Terminator.Mash him up.Blow him up.Melt him down.You can just make another.
    It’s easy to imagine that this is NOT Jaqen H’ghar, but that the Jaqen H’ghar face is just one in the repertoire of all the Faceless Men, and perhaps the Kindly Man back in Faceless HQ as well.Really interesting approach might be if we were to see him in the House of Black and White AND in the Citadel at the same time.Then the question for Arya becomes whether this really is her trusted buddy Jaqen H’ghar from travels on the road and from Harrenhal …or someone else entirely.

    That would be an interesting approach, and would alleviate my concerns about Braavos seeming like too safe a place for Arya because of the presence of a trusted friend. I hope they run with it!

  • CLEARLY NOBODY REMEMBERS A VERY IMPORTANT BIT OF HINDSIGHT WE HAD IN A STORM OF SWORDS THAT SEASON 4 BLATANTLY LEFT OUT He is the man on the bridge who kills Balon Greyjoy that is how we are going to see him again

  • The Onion Knight,

    Clearly you can’t read or be bothered to read the comments. Don’t write in all-caps, it’s disrespectful. Especially if you are frothing about something people have already said. Yes, he may kill Balon. And go to Oldtown, too. The conversation here is that he may also be added as a trainer of Arya’s.

  • It’s perhaps more logical, from the point of view of the published books to have him come back as The Alchemist since one could reasonably believe, from what we know, that that is the same faceless man as Jaqen. In the books the descriptions of the guy Jaqen turns into and of The Alchemist are similar

    If they’re looking for spicy subplots in S5 then they might reasonably play up the heist of the book from the citadelparticularly if GRRM has indicated that that is going to be important later on.

    If he does show up in Braavos though, then it would be nice if he was just passing through HQ to check email, do his laundry, that sort of thing and could bump into Arya and take on some of the exposition done by the Kindly Man – that doesn’t mean there couldn’t be a Kindly Man as well.

  • That’s really not the casting of a character, but of a face that may serve many characters, as far as we know.

  • King Stannis: You are no book purist and neither are you one of those whiners on this site. Given that you are one of the few that comes with logic I will have to respect your comment.

    If it is indeed a change, to often people jump the gun and assume which set themselves for disappointment.I personally don’t mind if the change we think is true. Braavos is mysterious and so is jaqen so it fits perfect. The replacement fits for me and see no difference between the teacher. Braavos at the end of the day will still remain uncomfortable

    Thank you, Your Grace. :-)

    If, as others pointed out is possible, the “Jaqen face” turns out to be one used by multiple faceless men and women in Braavos, then I am fully on board with this change. But if Jaqen is the same Jaqen, and his presence considerably lessens the perceived danger and discomfort that Arya is in, then I might object.

    But of course, we currently know nothing about how this will play out. I am keeping my expectations low, however, and perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised!

  • This potential deviation has my blessing.

    “And my axe!”

    Gimili, shooo away with you.

  • Tom’s agency removed the information concerning his involvement in season 5 of GoT from their website. In a statement for a German site (serienjunkies.de) they said the announcement was a bit premature and was removed because of that. I hope the announcement was correct, and they just weren’t supposed to release it yet. Here’s a link to the statement if someone’s interested: http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/game-thrones-kehrt-tom-wlaschiha-60735.html

  • Late to the party but I just saw this trending on Yahoo – they said it came from WIC.net. Best news ever!!!! Tumblr is going to come to life one more time with those eyes and lips and voice. I had kind of given up, but Arya kept mentioning him and I thought there might be a chance. He and Arya will be the deadliest killers since “Los Primos Salamanca” in Breaking Bad. Can’t wait!!!! Mrs. H’ghar ….. where in the world are you? Celebrating with Jaqen – right?

  • how did you know that Jacken killed Balon ???? I am confused !! I remember that he fell down from the bridge !!

  • Maelina,

    Yes, it’s funny they’re saying, “Oops, it was a bit premature.” It’s like, well thanks for the confirmation.

  • Turncloak,

    Hopefully they’ve not forgotten about Victarion too! If they’re having all those character in Dorne ( half of which seem pointless) then two Greyjoys shouldn’t be much to ask!

  • What a great idea, bringing Jaqen back!

    My hope is that he’ll still be used in his original capacity: a mysterious assassin. There’s a king to kill and the debt to be collected for that killing (a dragon’s egg?).

    To make Jaqen the Kindly Man will be curtailing his groove, stifling his usefulness, grounding a rover.

    I want to see him interact with Arya again, but not as the KM, who I didn’t particularly like. I believe Aryz learned far more than the lessons the KM taught her. I love that she outsmarted him. I don’t relish the idea of Arya making Jaqen look like a fool.

    I want Arya to meet Jaqen again and learn from him in his standard role as assassin. Maybe he’ll show her how to change her face using his shortcut.

  • Troublesome Birdsong: Also, for those suggesting that the Kindly Man will just put on Jaqen’s face so Arya feels comfortable with him; there aren’t multiple copies of his face. It’s not a glamour, it’s someone’s actual face that has been harvested and worn as a mask. Not something he would have access to while Jaqen still has it.

    fuelpagan: But that FM is done using that face and would likely send it back in exchange for a new one for a future mission. It wouldn’t be hard for D&D to come up with a way for that face to be back in Braavos.

    Express Post for faces?

  • Joe Frost:
    Turncloak,

    Hopefully they’ve not forgotten about Victarion too! If they’re having all those character in Dorne ( half of which seem pointless) then two Greyjoys shouldn’t be much to ask!

    I’m also partial to the dysfunctional shit-storm that is the Greyjoy family, and hope we at least get some of that drama.

  • ArgonathofBraavos,

    I also wanna see the Greyjoy clan. Victarion should be a badass actor. Also, based on casting will we see any Tyrian? Casting makes it seem unlikely but how do you not have any dinklege for a full season?? Seems impossible!! But for him o be in season 5 would mean even more cast members! Grif and his crew.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I hate to read too much into this but have to wonder if this is confirmation that for whatever reason, the FM wanted Arya all along.

    I’ve always thought this because there are so many coincidences.First she gets training from Syrio and it’s never mentioned how Ned came to hire him.Then she gets life lessons from Jaqen.It’s never mentioned how he came to be in the black cells and we are never told who he was in Westeros to assassinate. He offers to take her to Braavos and when she doesn’t want to plants the suggestion in her head and gives her that coin which gets her delivered straight to the House of Black & White.It certainly seems like she was pulled there.Having Jaqen be of increased importance makes me feel better about that theory.Maybe I’m reaching though.

    First of all, how did I miss this thread?!!! This is really kickass news.

    As to your point, I have always felt this way. I don’t think it’s crazy at all. . How does an FM end up in the black cells, or in a cart headed for the wall, if not on purpose?
    I think it possible that Syrio had a significant role to play in getting Aria trained and safely out of KL. “They”, the braavosi, may be looking for ” power blood”- special recruits, for the upcoming war. Northern born wargs.
    I don’t recall the Titan of Braavos holding a broken sword. Is that a book thing? Anyways, upon seein that I immediately thought of Syrio. And the show made significant mention of LF’s Braavosi heritage (not to mention he presided over the coin and sunply administered the drug as King Robert racked up all that debt… To the Iron bank.
    Also, I think its clear she was watched by the black cat as she has received her training, in KL. perhaps getting a feel for her capabilities.

    Apologies m’lady for rambling so much there, but I love your suggestion and have been feelin this for a long time.

    a man must sleep.

  • Jaison Biagini,

    My personal hope is for Ray Stevenson as Vicatrion and James Purefor as Euron. Stevenson is just such a gruff physical presence he’s perfect for Victarion (I’d even lose Victarions long hair of the books to make him more imposing) and anyone who’s seen Solomon Kane and the opening scene where he’s storming that Ottoman fortress would find it hard to argue Purefoy would be an excellent Euron. They’re both great actors and have experience with sword/fighting choreography and this sort of ancient time setting ( both through Rome and their individual work). With Nina Gold casting then I keep my hope alive but we shall see!

  • Troublesome Birdsong: Express Post for faces?

    Not necessarily. A couple of chests on a Braavosi ship would do the trick.
    One for used faces and another for new faces. A FM could stop in a harbor and wait for a Braavosi ship to enter port. He would deposit the used faces in the used chest and get fresh ones for future use from the new chest. When the ship enters Braavos, the new chest is replenished and the used chest is emptied.

    The one Arya meets would simply need to cycle through the recently returned faces until he finds one she recognizes. (Would be a cool way to show some cameo’s.)

  • Joe Frost:
    Jaison Biagini,

    My personal hope is for Ray Stevenson as Vicatrion and James Purefor as Euron. Stevenson is just such a gruff physical presence he’s perfect for Victarion (I’d even lose Victarions long hair of the books to make him more imposing) and anyone who’s seen Solomon Kane and the opening scene where he’s storming that Ottoman fortress would find it hard to argue Purefoy would be an excellent Euron. They’re both great actors and have experience with sword/fighting choreography and this sort of ancient time setting ( both through Rome and their individual work). With Nina Gold casting then I keep my hope alive but we shall see!

    I like Mads Mikkelson as Euron and Mikael Persbrandt (Beorn) as Euron.

  • It doesn’t make ANY sense for Jaqen to be the Kindly Man. That would massively change Arya’s storyline. She’s expecting to find him but doesn’t and everyone says they don’t know who he is, and Arya must still learn to deal with the Kindly Man and the waif despite her thinking they are lying to her. It’s character development that would be thrown away if Jaqen is her teacher

    I really hope they keep Balon’s death mysterious instead of throwing an explanation out there and bashing us over the head with it like they’ve done with so many other plotlines on this show. It’s just unnecessary to fully explain it

    I still think that the Oldtown plot has some relevance Jaqen being there, the bit about the obsidian candles. But I’m not sure if they are going to do the baby switch because it’d be silly now for them to suddenly introduce Dalla. I mean, they could, but it’d feel really tacked at this point. But they shouldn’t cut the Oldtown plot unless they know from GRRM that it’s not a relevant plot

  • Phil,

    i don’t think the baby switch is necessary for Oldtown. Jon could just send Sam, Gilly and baby, and Aemon there for the mission, with Gilly and baby going simply to keep them safe.
    I think Oldtown will have relevance in the story, and hope it makes the show. Likely wont be introduced till season 6 if it in fact is.
    -Sam gets closer to home, and his father, which I see as his ultimate personal “battle”
    -obsidian candles
    -FM clearly has an interest
    -Crows eye is closing in, clearly has an interest. (FM?)
    -alleras/sarella is there
    -the Citadel’s location. Martin has gone above and beyond to lead us to believe that the order of Maesters is weak and outdated, which I why I believe they are guarding some power, or at the very least, will be instrumental in the coming war.

    Something bout to go down in Oldtown. I really hope it does not get cut.

  • Joe Frost:
    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Mads would work well and I wouldn’t be disappointed if he got it and Purefoy didn’t…although I’d still prefer the latter. Mikael would be ok but I still think Ray would be far better!

    Ray’s great, and I loved him in Rome. But I don’t get an aura of “leadership” from him, if you know what I mean. He always strikes me as a good soldier, but not as a leader of men. I put him in the same camp as people like Bronn.

    Persbrandt, on the other hand, could definitely lead some Ironborn into battle!

  • Not a bad idea. George’s story is so complex that the oldtown scene may be cut completely. If this is gonna be 7 seasons then arya will be gone to train under Jaqen until she comes back in the last season to finish her list. No clue what the faceless man is doing in old town with sam. Maybe trying to get his horn of joramun he has had since book 2. Bring down the wall and kill em all? Sure why not. Martins books if they ever finish are just gonna be so better than the ending to the show. Sigh. Still a great show though.

  • Was the source for this news the linked website? Then the news was retracted? Or do I miss something?

  • I’m so pumped to see who was casted for all the Dornish characters. Hopefully we’ll get to see the return of the Faith Militant and the rise of High Sparrow as well in SEASON 5.

  • ArgonathofBraavos,

    See that’s why I can see him as a great Victarion. He’s more of a solider than a leader which would factor in when he loses the Kingsmoot to Euron and his more charismatic style. He’s just got the brute one-mindedness I associate with Victarion down to a tee!

  • For the record, I’d be completely okay with having Tom back. I could see him being the Kindly Man… or the Kindly Man just looking like the guy (it’s not like they can’t change their face or anything). This could WORK.

  • Phil,

    Agreed. I think Oldtown is going to become a lot more important in the future; I can’t imagine that it’s totally cuttable.

  • Wait, am I missing something? I read all the books, but where is it insinuated that Jaqen assassinated Balon? I don’t remember that at all. I know it was said he fell accidentally from a bridge, and it is suggested one of his brothers was actually responsible, but that’s all I remember.

  • Chris,

    Balon “falls” from the bridge then Euron showing up claiming the throne after being in Essos for years and years is suspect for may book readers so many speculate that a faceless man was used – Jaqen being the only one we know about.

  • Chris,
    arden,

    There was a prophecy too…from The Ghost of High Heart–i.e., the very old woman, a seer, that meets with the BwB, she said:

    “I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings.””

  • Grynthaline,

    That’s what hapens when women /girls foolishly pine for the ‘look’ of an actor over character.

    Kinda what they did with that jailed prettyboy in the news they went crazy over recently.