George R.R. Martin has a strong message for those who think he won’t finish A Song of Ice and Fire
By Lightbringer on in Books, Interview.

During his recent trip to Europe, George R.R. Martin sat down for an interview with Swiss newspaper Tages-Anzeiger.

When the question arose of how he feels about people wondering if he will finish A Song of Ice and Fire before his health fails him, he gave a straight forward answer: “I find that question pretty offensive, frankly, when people start speculating about my death and my health. So fuck you to those people.” He accompanied the message with the appropriate hand gesture, and finished off with a laugh. Watch the full video interview below.

He also commented on the often negative reaction when he is seen taking time off from his writing: “I don’t know what I can do about it, you know. I can’t write many more than one word at a time. And I know myself, I’m 65 years old now; I’ve been writing professionally since 1971. I know my working methods. I don’t work when I travel, I don’t work in hotels, I don’t work on airplanes, I don’t work on trains. I work at home, when I have a nice, big uninterrupted block of time in which I can really lose myself in my work. And it’s worked for me for my entire adult life. I’m not going to change it now because some people are too impatient to wait for the next book.”

He does admit that he is slowing down, but offers a few reasons as to why, including the simple fact that he is getting older, and that the success of Game of Thrones has increased his number of obligations. He also discusses the comparisons between himself and Tolkein, why genre doesn’t matter when you enjoy a story, and getting readers to expand their boundaries. He shares his love for The Great Gatsby and Casablanca, and more.

 

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424 Comments

  1. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    GRRM is a ninja turtle

  2. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Classy.

  3. GeekFurious
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    I’ve said this before, but ever since BuzzFeed posted that idiotic “facts about Game of Thrones” article that invented the “fact” that GRRM told D&D how the story goes “in case he dies”, the Internet has been running with the notion, and it has bled over into seemingly legitimate articles and interviews.

    So fuck them.

  4. House Mormont
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    The video doesn’t show on my phone or Kindle? There’s just a big white space?

    I think the sad thing is that as GRRM says he knows his methods, he knows he can only write in certain conditions, yet he makes no effort to get those conditions, quite the opposite in fact.

  5. darkshot117
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    George just doesn’t look the same without his signature hat =\

  6. Salty Dornishman
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Damn right, GRRM!! I will wait (somewhat) patiently for the next book. It’s not like I haven’t had experience with the waiting game (Outlander, Wheel of Time, etc.).

    And I really didn’t mind Brian Sanderson’s work finishing Wheel of Time after Jordan passed away (RIP)… so I refuse to believe that we will not have an ending to the saga – even if its not written by GRRM.

    Lighten up on the man, people!

  7. winnie
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Actually Martin HAS told d and d the ending already. In fact he’s outlined all major plot developments to them in detail.

    I once heard about a 78 year old man hoping to know how the series ended before he died and all I could hope forwas that he lived long enough to see the final episode of the show.

    If Martin really wants people to stop speculating the surest way is to actually finish the books.

  8. Dwayne Roberts
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    For a man who has written so many gruesome deaths and even disease and illness I find it funny he is offended by people speculating his death …

    Sure most people speculate his death only because they worry if they will get to read the entire series or not but honestly I’m sure there are people who also speculate his death in wonder of whether it will be peaceful or as haunting as the many deaths in the books … It’s a touchy subject but it has it’s fascination too …

    Put it this way if I were to say I wonder if Sean bean will be shot by an arrow or decapitated or experience any violent death it’s not because I mean it to happen but because I’m just so used to it happening in every movie he does …so it’s more of a curious yet harsh kinda joke …but that’s what it is …a joke

  9. Jenn
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    He’s only 65, I don’t understand why people act like he’s going to drop dead any minute now.

  10. Turncloak
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    You are 100% right. GRRM told the ending to D&D so they can be able to set things up. Had nothing to do with his health.

  11. winnie
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Salty Dornishman,

    The thing about Robert Jordan and Wheel of time is he made provisions for Brandon to finish the series for him after he was gone. Martin has said that he wont want amyone else to complete and he refuses to keep outlines or drafts around to guide anyone his editors tried to bring in even if he did keel over.

  12. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    This makes me SO. HAPPY.

  13. Nick_Scryer
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Haha what a hero.

  14. strokememarge
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    George is my new hero after this interview, I love it when someone tells others to mind their own business. I love it when Putin basically says f-off to western leaders (visa via China) or famous people do the same to others. I even appreciate it when other nations stand up to America, because we shouldn’t butt into other culture’s business or national sovereignty. After all, America is founded on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (means don’t be a busy body).

    I empathize with him, I don’t like working on a plane or when traveling either. These are times to relax and just enjoy life, not be concerned with work. My old bosses hated this attitude, they were the multitasking types that believed you should take your work where ever you went for the good of the company.

  15. LordShang
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Jenn:
    He’s only 65, I don’t understand why people act like he’s going to drop dead any minute now.

    He’s 65 and overweight. I can understand why he finds people speculating about his death offensive, but I can also understand why people worry about it.

  16. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I think the sad thing is that you have this delusional idea that all GRRM should do is sit and write for YOU. He happens to have a life even if you don’t. I will say it one more time: George Martin is not your bitch!

  17. Meg
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Offensive or not, you can’t expect people NOT to worry when they are that engaged in your story. He wouldn’t be the first author to drop dead before finishing the tale.

  18. winnie
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    True. He’s under obligation to finish the series. But that doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t have the right to worry and speculate about it. Certainly Martin enjoys the life of being a celebrity author but part of that means he has to answer to fans-and he has to produce.

  19. JTargs
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    strokememarge:
    George is my new hero after this interview, I love it when someone tells others to mind their own business. I love it when Putin basically says f-off to western leaders (visa via China) or famous people do the same to others. I even appreciate it when other nations stand up to America, because we shouldn’t butt into other culture’s business or national sovereignty. After all, America is founded on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (means don’t be a busy body).

    I empathize with him, I don’t like working on a plane or when traveling either. These are times to relax and just enjoy life, not be concerned with work. My old bosses hated this attitude, they were the multitasking types that believed you should take your work where ever you went for the good of the company.

    I agree. I think what people forget is that ASOIAF is GRRM’s job. It’s his workplace. Granted, he enjoys a much more luxurious, rewarding and fun occupation than most people, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s his job and I’m sure he spends as much time writing as most people do working. I sure as HELL don’t want to carry my work everywhere with me and the American notion that life is about work and that a good life is one devoted to working is absurd. He wants to live life too and he doesn’t want to be spending every waking second working.

    That being said, I think it’s up to him whether he wants to see the story’s ending come from him or the TV show first. He’s proven that he’s not in any hurry so fans are responding to that and saying they don’t care if they see the ending on television first. I think he has to recognize that and BE REALISTIC about it since he isn’t speeding up his writing.

  20. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    I think what HM meant is that for someone that has very strict writing conditions and has a show catching up on him, he seems to go out of his way to place himselves outside these conditions and not write. Why travel so much if you know it will stop you from writing? Do you really need all these tours? Do your fans need them? Yes, you need a vacation every once in a while and that’s fine but I also think he can do it with less side projects and less book signings and less ball scratching.

    From my understanding, the last year was actually relatively okay but usually he’s traveling for a large chunk of the year. It’s his life and we can’t tell him what to do, but his writing pace is (dare I say) laughably bad. It has been three years since ADWD and there are no signs that the book is nearing completion.

  21. Victoria
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    This kind of makes me sad. I just want him to be happy and able to enjoy his success, he already made me incredibly happy with his books and I don’t feel I have the right to demand anything from him.

  22. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Way to crap on your fanbase for being, simply, realistic.

    I hope Thoros of Myr is around in five year’s time, because GRRM may need him if he hasn’t finished the final book by then.

  23. Sugar Ray Belwas
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    To be fair people speculating about your health and death is pretty offensive, I don’t blame George for that response.

  24. winnie
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Yeah. His dunk and egg stories and all the other spinoff stuff are fun and all but you feel the time would have been better spent trying to resolve Dany’s detours. And I’m increasingly worried by the number of tangents and subplots in the series. Did we really need so many Iron Born chapters, travelogues, or the Citadel conspiracy instead of say the Battles of Ice and Fire?

  25. Fat 'n' Balda
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Anyone ever think he might be contractually obligated by HBO to do the tours, attend the cons, etc. to promote the show? Yes, writing is his profession. But he also holds a job as E.P. on a historically successful show.

  26. Dave
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to go the unpopular route here and say that I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to be worried and cautious about this topic as morbid and uncomfortable as it may be. He’s not young, he is overweight, and after the first 3 books, took 11 years to release the next two, and is now heading towards year 4 since the last one, and has also started to drop hints about the series potentially be extended to 8 books. Plus it’s not like he’d be the first author in the history of literature to die before finishing a series.

    I think the bigger thing people should be worried about is the TV version likely giving a watered down version of the ending, which then spoils and dampens the book version whenever that may come.

  27. Roekest
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face:
    House Mormont,

    I think the sad thing is that you have this delusional idea that all GRRM should do is sit and write for YOU.He happens to have a life even if you don’t. I will say it one more time: George Martin is not your bitch!

    I don’t think anybody has any delusions. But the fact is, this guy can’t string more than 10 words together unless he has a very specific set of conditions in his writing environment. He’s created something that his fans immensely enjoy, which unfortunately happens to be a book series. Sorry, but he now has an obligation to his fans to finish this masterpiece after all the millions it has earned him, his publishers, and now HBO. And that’s the key: money. Hell, I’ve got a FUNKO Tyrion Lannister on my shelf at home. I have all the books. I’m about to buy the books that contain stories of Egg and Dunk. We the fans have invested our money and our time into his work. The least he can do is reciprocate by cutting all the tours short and getting back to work on the thing that earned him this celebrity status.

    And GRRM, if “f–k you” is the message you really want to send to fans who cherish the words you write with those fat sausage-fingers of yours, then “f–k you, too”. You already gave the ending to HBO; I’ll wait on them to tell me that Jon Snow is Lyanna and Rhaegar’s love child, you fat prick.

  28. John M W
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    If George wants to take twenty more years to finish the series, I say more power to him.

    But I hope he understands that he has no one to blame but himself for the eventuality of the HBO Series passing him by. He really has no grounds to complain about that.

  29. LordShang
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face:
    House Mormont,

    I think the sad thing is that you have this delusional idea that all GRRM should do is sit and write for YOU.He happens to have a life even if you don’t. I will say it one more time: George Martin is not your bitch!

    Yeah yeah, ‘GRRM is not our bitch’.

    It’s true he’s under no obligation to write quickly. Alas for him, in turn we’re under no obligation not to point out that he’s one hell of a slow writer and could very likely die before we ever see the end of his series. Nor are we under any obligation not to be irritated by the above two facts.

  30. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Roekest,

    Ah, sweet summer child – if you really believe that GRRM has an obligation to any of us…

  31. winnie
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    One other thing: Martin and his editor are now openly speculating the series will require eight books rather than seven. That adds another five years or so the timeline. Which means Martin would be working on the series well into his seventies.

  32. John M W
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    More power to him, but it also means he doesn’t get the right to complain when the HBO shows passes him by.

  33. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    strokememarge:
    George is my new hero after this interview, I love it when someone tells others to mind their own business. I love it when Putin basically says f-off to western leaders (visa via China) or famous people do the same to others. I even appreciate it when other nations stand up to America, because we shouldn’t butt into other culture’s business or national sovereignty. After all, America is founded on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (means don’t be a busy body).

    I empathize with him, I don’t like working on a plane or when traveling either. These are times to relax and just enjoy life, not be concerned with work. My old bosses hated this attitude, they were the multitasking types that believed you should take your work where ever you went for the good of the company.

    Seriously? Now we have Putin apologism on this site? The man is a ruthless dictator, and he doesn’t give a shit what you love about him. He not only tells the EU and the United States to f*** off, he tells everyone in Russia that doesn’t fully support him to f*** off, and he throws the most vocal of them in jail. As someone who is close to two people among the Russian opposition that have been imprisoned for speaking their minds, I’d like to tell YOU to fuck off.

  34. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Roekest

    No, he said F**K YOU to people who tell him to hurry up before he dies. Not to everyone who cherishes his work.

  35. LordShang
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face:
    Roekest,
    Ah, sweet summer child – if you really believe that GRRM has an obligation to any of us…

    Obligation is too strong a word, but if GRRM were to decide today that he doesn’t feel like finishing the series and turn his attention 100% to writing My Little Pony fanfics after stringing people along with his story for nearing two decades, would people have a right to be angry and resentful of being stood up?

    The answer is yes.

  36. Jerry Glonek
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think GRRM is obligated to finish, although I think we can all agree it would be a pretty crap move on his part if he didn’t.

    The thing is, he clearly stated in that interview that traveling interrupts his writing. And he has been doing a lot of conventions, interviews, etc the past few years.

    I’m sure it’s exciting for him to have the level of fame (or infamy?) he has now and enjoys doing these things.

    BUT, but, the fans, the conventions, the interviews, they will all still be there when the series is finished. We’ve reached a level with this series that I don’t think it will disappear anytime soon. HOWEVER, if he keeps dragging out the next few books, keeps talking like this, or god forbid just decides to stop, his fans won’t want anything to do with him or have him around.

    It’s in his best interest to finish his magnum opus sooner rather than later and then enjoy the limelight for the rest of his life.

    And is it right to speculate on his health and question if the series will get done? Maybe not. But look around, take say Douglas Adams. His sudden death shocked me. Or Michael Crichton, who kept his illness quiet until he passed away. Or the obvious Robert Jordan. Or Terry Pratchett who has alzheimer’s and is trying to pass on his writing before he’s too far gone.

    It can happen to anyone, anytime. So fans do have some ground to stand on when they say they are concerned about the series being finished.

  37. Zack
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m resigned to the idea that he’s going to take another year or two to finish the 6th book, and 5-6 more to finish the 7th. And god help us if he decides to draw it out with an eighth book.

    I don’t know if he’ll die before he finishes. 68 isn’t that old, but it’s not young. But I don’t know why he shouldn’t live another decade or two or three.

    I just have a good laugh remembering all the bullshit about a “Meereenese Knot” impeding his progress. The man’s writing pace has just fucking slowed down. Let’s be real.

    It’s going to end on TV first. Get yourselves okay with that, because it’s reality.

    He’s absolutely right to be irritated at people who think he should have no life but his writing. That’s a prison you want to build around him. And if he dies or decides to stop work on the series, that’s his choice. It might not be what I want, but life happens and we only get to control our own selves.

  38. Zack Luye
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    legend

  39. Johnny3toes
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Bravo Mr. Martin, Bravo. I would tell them the same thing. I can’t get over all the people that have this sense of intitlement over His Book! If you can’t take the wait for his book then buy a Sunday paper and read the comics, they are new each and every week.

  40. Nate
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    blah blah blah i’m so busy and important so f you if you don’t like it.

  41. Winter
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I knew this would get heated!

    Nobody knows when the the next book will be released, we can all speculate, I presume it’s sooner rather than later. I mean he has actively said that he would rather the books tell the story first, this has to give him some sort of impetus, and I pray that early 2015 is the provisional street date at least. If I was in his shoes I’d be working night and day to get there before HBO do, I can’t imagine as an author you’d be satisfied someone else telling your story before you do.

    I do wonder, doesn’t George want to bask in the glory of a completed franchise, and live long enough to reap the rewards. Granted he already has a lavish lifestyle, and deservedly so, but doesn’t there come a point where you just want to put a conclusive line under something you’ve dedicated your whole life to, and just enjoy the legacy?

  42. Leo
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    The whole “death” comments are a little inappropriate, yes, but personally I have no hope of ever seeing the rest of the books written, for whatever reason.

    It’s just easier for me this way and I’ve only been a fan for 2 years now. My sympathies go out to the fans who have been waiting on the ending since 1998 or whatever. And only three Sansa chapters in 15 years.. wow..

  43. Cary Storm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    “I can’t work under any conditions except these strict conditions that I cannot possibly ever meet again.” It reads as if he’s subtly telling us the books will never be finished. And telling his detractors “fuck you” for seeing through his bullshit.

  44. Lex
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Hahahahaha! Didn’t expect the F-you. He got super pissed in Seattle when a fan asked him the same thing.

  45. sjwenings
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think he owes us anything.

    But regardless – i ALSO simply HOPE that he would hurry up.

    For someone who “doesn’t care” about the critique for not writing faster, he sure knows how to make non-sensical excuses for not writing. As if he HAS to be on the road so much. If he instead said “Yeah, i know i could’ve easily written a lot more – I just don’t want to.” I’d respect that a lot more.

  46. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    This story will be finished on TV and it won’t matter for most of us if he ever finishes or not. The next book in nowhere near, the 7th and maybe 8th are about decade or more away and I just don’t care anymore if they’ll ever come out or not. It’s not like he’s the only good writer in the world.

    If something shows up on the TV show before the books, it’s canon for me.

  47. Cary Storm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Jerry Glonek:
    Or Terry Pratchett who has alzheimer’s and is trying to pass on his writing before he’s too far gone.

    Pratchett is moving forward and writing novels despite having progessive Alzheimer’s, and is legitimately passing on the Discworld series to his successors. He puts Martin to shame.

  48. LordShang
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky,

    It matters to me. I’m more invested in the books than I am in the TV series.

    If Book 6 hasn’t been released by next April, I’ll very likely skip watching GoT Season 5 until its done or GRRM makes it blatantly obvious it will never be done.

  49. John M W
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Nothing will stop me from continuing to watch the tv show. At best, Martin takes another 7-8 years to finish his story. If there’s another book, we’re looking at something closer to 14-15 years (maybe longer if he slows down even more).

    No thank you, George. Take as long as you want, but I’m watching the tv show and getting an ending in 3 years.

  50. Dame of Mercia
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    I think the question about death was awfully insensitive. I like the story and appreciate without GRRM it would not exist but to be honest I do wish he would write more quickly, not that he’ll take any notice of me. I’m a little bit younger than GRRM – and a heck of a lot thinner – but I’m not going to spend the rest of my time on the planet with baited breath awaiting GRRM’s next book. There are loads of good writers whose works I can read. I may have said this some months back on another thread, but the late James A Michener had a book published in 1997, the year of his death aged 90, so GRRM may be good for a few years yet.

  51. Lex
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Pretty crazy that he’s already 65 though. I guess started reading the series when he was 52… and AFFC came out when he was 57. The HBO show started casting for the pilot when he was 60.

    Anyway, let’s just hope he’s making good progress on TWOW, but I’m not holding my breath. At this point, I’m just happy to know I’ll see an ending on the show.

  52. Winter
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Leo,

    The elusive Sansa chapters!! So painful waiting, I only became fan a few years ago, having to wait 15 years for a Sansa POV – poor, poor readers.

  53. gone postal
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    The people who are concerned about GRRM dying before concluding the series are being selfish. They only care about his health because they want the books. If he finishes them I don’t think you will see many folks being concerned about his weight and age. A few will because they want the dunk and egg novellas.

  54. Winter
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    LordShang,

    I concur, I adore the TV series, it’s a masterpiece but the books are the books. This is George’s world, let’s hope he has a plan.

  55. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Wrong – he started writing the series in 1994 which would have made him around 45-46 – young people never understand how the time goes by so quickly…but it will happen to you too. There is always so much to do

  56. Lex
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    When GRRM was asked this question in Seattle, he said “If I get hit by a truck tomorrow, the last thing I’ll be worried about is the f*cking series.” LOL

  57. Andy C
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Getting angry at George solves nothing — even if you have the ‘right’ to get angry, why bother? Even if he’s lazing about, that’s his right, and it’s his life to live. I’m just grateful for the wonderful books he’s written so far, and hope to read more.

    I owe George a lot more than he owes me… and I think most of us understand this.

    Thank you, George, for being a big part of my inspiration to write. Please keep being awesome.

  58. Lex
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face:
    Lex,

    Wrong – he started writing the series in 1994 which would have made him around 45-46 – young people never understand how the time goes by so quickly…but it will happen to you too.There is always so much to do

    No, I said I started READING the series when GRRM was about 51 (back in 2001). I’m surprised he’s aged that much, and only put out 2 books in the meantime.

  59. Raquel 'Lally' Ramos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Classy just like Robert… Go to admit certain people are being to harsh on him

  60. Andy C
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Also — at the age of 65, most people hope to be retired. When you’re retired, you generally get to do what you want. You may have a hobby, like writing, but you’ll do that hobby on your own time, at your own pace, and most importantly, you’ll do it for you, not for other people.

    George has earned the right and privelige to do what he wants. He should write for himself, and because he enjoys it. Not because he thinks he owes it to the fans. I’m just pleased that he wants to keep writing.

  61. winnie
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    I always got the impression from the way Martin talked about feature films after the show and separate seasons for feast for crows and dance that he’s been in denial for some time about the show catching up to the books. Now that he realizes they’re not waiting on him he’s getting increasingly defensive. His new spin appears to be that even if the show catches up it won’t matter because in a hundred years people will remember the books but not the show. But whatMartin wwon’t admit is that’s only true if he finishes the books. You’d think he be eager to finish his Masterpiece but I worry he’s been too pampered too long and is now content to coast on his laurels.

  62. Mr Fixit
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos: Seriously? Now we have Putin apologism on this site? The man is a ruthless dictator, and he doesn’t give a shit what you love about him. He not only tells the EU and the United States to f*** off, he tells everyone in Russia that doesn’t fully support him to f*** off, and he throws the most vocal of them in jail. As someone who is close to two people among the Russian opposition that have been imprisoned for speaking their minds, I’d like to tell YOU to fuck off.

    Yes, yes. Can we have King Abdullah apologism at least then? I hear that’s kinda tolerated.

  63. John Eberl
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been a fan of George’s stories well before “A Song Of Ice & Fire”, and read “A Game Of Thrones” when it first came out. Yes, it’s been a lot of years already for this series but so what? If he didn’t write the way he does the story would not be as amazing as it is. Let him decide what needs to be done to finish this epic. I’m sure nobody wishes it was finished more than George does. It’s his story and his life, and I say be patient and stop bothering the man. He struggled for many years to have his writing recognized and become successful (talent does not guarantee recognition and/or success), so if he wants to enjoy some of the fruits of his labors then he should.

  64. Mariya Martell
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos: Seriously? Now we have Putin apologism on this site? The man is a ruthless dictator, and he doesn’t give a shit what you love about him. He not only tells the EU and the United States to f*** off, he tells everyone in Russia that doesn’t fully support him to f*** off, and he throws the most vocal of them in jail. As someone who is close to two people among the Russian opposition that have been imprisoned for speaking their minds, I’d like to tell YOU to fuck off.

    I was writing a large comment on this matter, but I don’t want to. Not here, this is not the place for it. I’ll just say this, it amazes me the naïvety of some people. How the recent past can be so easily forgotten and the obvious threat glorified and paraded as the saviour against the big, bad Western monsters.

  65. Mikken's Mark
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Lord Martin has grown too powerful………HE WILL NEVER DIE!

  66. John M W
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    James: You better skip the internet too for at least a decade if you want to stay an ASOIAF virgin.

    Yep, pretty much.

    Otherwise, I don’t see how anybody will be able to avoid spoilers. Does anybody really think the legions of show watchers (most of them, anyway) will feel at all obligated to tip toe around readers of the book series? Not in a million years.

  67. GeekFurious
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    winnie:
    GeekFurious,

    Actually Martin HAS told d and d the ending already.In fact he’s outlined all major plot developments to them in detail.

    Dear gods…

    I said:

    invented the “fact” that GRRM told D&D how the story goes “in case he dies”

    IN CASE HE DIES. That’s the invention. And ever since that article I see it quoted over and over and over as if it is a fact. It is bullshit.

  68. Darquemode
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Kudos GRRM!

    I am annoyed every time I hear or see someone speculating about his death or yelling at GRRM in any serious way to stay home and do what they want him to.

    I want the end of the series too, but I’m not entitled to plan GRRM’s vacation and writing schedule. I have no right to demand anything of him.

    Again..
    Kudos, GRRM!

  69. Jason Yager
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    He can take as long as he likes, we’re going to get the end of the story in the next three years on TV anyway, so it’ll be nice to get his version later when I still need my ASoIaF fix.

  70. Mikken's Mark
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    JUST PREORDERED TWOW! LETS GO BABY! WHOOOOO!!!!

  71. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    How classy, GRRM. How about you write a bit instead of travelling and giving the finger to people who worry about you croaking before finishing? That way you’ll shut them up for sure.
    As expected, this topic is filled with brown-nosers and those who still preach the “Gaiman gospel” -”not your bitch, not your bitch, not your bitch, he doesn’t owe you anything, he has a life!”
    Keep fighting the good fight, bros.

  72. Hollyoak
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Right on, George!

    Eff those idiots.

    The man is an artist, not a frikking writing vending machine.

  73. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Hank: Please, God, make up your own damn argument! All you do is blabbing the words of someone else. Not your bitch… If I had a dollar for each time I read that sentence, I’d be a billionaire.

    You can’t reason with the sheep.

  74. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Andy C,

    I owe George a lot more than he owes me… and I think most of us understand this.

    Absolutely agree. It’s his baby and if he wants to finish it or not, that’s his business. As for the pace at which he writes, again his choice. I’m just grateful that I got to read them at all.

    None of us know the details of his life…what his obligations to promote the show for HBO are, what his health status is (speculation in regards that is offensive, health is a very private matter), what motivates him to write, etc, etc, etc. And we don’t have any right to know. He’s produced some excellent books that we all enjoy and that turned into a fantastic show that we all enjoy. He owes us nothing. If people want to be worried, that’s their prerogative but they don’t have the right to push that fear back on him as if it’s his obligation to remove the personal worries of fans. If you’re that upset about him potentially not finishing the books, you might want to re-examine your priorities in life. They are just books, after all.

    To ask him such questions is not just offensive because we’re talking about his death, but it’s offensive because it’s disrespectful. It’s denying him his autonomy to choose what he wants to do with his time while he’s on this planet and that is disrespectful. Moreover to imply that because he writes about death so much he shouldn’t be appalled by other people contemplating his death is ridiculous. Again, what he wrote about is just a story…he’s real flesh and blood. Furthermore, his purpose in writing about death is so that we are appalled by the characters’ deaths…we should be appalled by it, not fascinated, not blind to the horror, but rightfully appalled. To turn a jaundiced eye to his own mortality ignores the whole point of what he writes about–that people should matter and they don’t. How they end their lives should matter but it doesn’t. Everyone bitching about his not finishing the story are simply proving his point. He should matter more than the story but he doesn’t to far too many people.

    So, other than his obligation to support any family he may have, pay his taxes and fulfill contractual obligations, he had no obligation to us. He has every right to tell the “worriers” to go eff off.

  75. Mikken's Mark
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Im just like George,

    I can’t read TWOW unless I am comfortably nestled by my fire place, in my special chair (with foot rest), light setting 25% dim, a full stomach, freshly polished reading lenses, all electronic devices turned off and this year I will be trying out a notepad with chapter/passages of notice references.

    LETS GO BABY WHOOOOOO!

    {M}{M}{M}

  76. Tom
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    No, but you certainly seem like his. So fuck you! ;]

  77. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    So he is flat out admitting he´s a slacker and wont finish the books…

    I don’t work when I travel, I don’t work in hotels, I don’t work on airplanes, I don’t work on trains. I work at home, when I have a nice, big uninterrupted block of time in which I can really lose myself in my work. And it’s worked for me for my entire adult life.

    I have a solution for this! Dont travel, dont stay at hotels, dont fly anywhere or go by train just stay at HOME and finish the books and THEN do whatever you want.

    Slacker!

  78. Emperor Cronos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky:
    This story will be finished on TV and it won’t matter for most of us if he ever finishes or not. The next book in nowhere near, the 7th and maybe 8th are about decade or more away and I just don’t care anymore if they’ll ever come out or not. It’s not like he’s the only good writer in the world.

    If something shows up on the TV show before the books, it’s canon for me.

    Yeah, I feel the same. We’re going to have full resolution by the end of 2018 at the latest for the important plots. Once Game of Thrones ends then so does ASOIAF for me.

  79. Shady_Grady
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    I think GRRM does have the right to be annoyed at people he does not know speculating about his health, weight, work ethic or impending death. He’s human like everyone else. But for whatever reason the pace of his writing has slowed noticeably. I wish he had the pace of a Stephen King, but he doesn’t.

    There’s no point in either GRRM or his readers getting upset about it at this point. I think, unless GRRM has some sort of epic surprise for everyone, that the TV series will finish before the books, which would stink but that’s all on GRRM. If he doesn’t want that he can prevent it.

    He remains a favorite writer but I just take the ever increasing time between his books to discover many other authors. Are there a lot of authors who increase their workload at GRRM’s age?

  80. Drunken Grumkin
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    winnie:
    Salty Dornishman,

    The thing about Robert Jordan and Wheel of time is he made provisions for Brandon to finish the series for him after he was gone.Martin has said that he wont want amyone else to complete and he refuses to keep outlines or drafts around to guide anyone his editors tried to bring in even if he did keel over.

    Robert Jordan once said similar things — that his notes were to be burned in the event of his death. Hopefully we never find out, but this sort of viewpoint isn’t set in stone (assuming it’s sincere to begin with rather than a statement made to reduce speculation).

  81. Brandon
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    While I love your books and stories I am insulted for J.R.R. Tolkien and his work if you dare to compare to them. While your books are awesome there is a difference between your books and his comparable to the difference between Romeo and Juliet and porn.

  82. Maxwell James
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Not that most folks will listen to reason on this matter, but: the thing is, Martin gets asked this question all the time now. Among interviews, conventions, fan mail and all the rest, he probably gets it several hundred times per year.

    For him, it is the equivalent of Benioff and Weiss being asked, time and again, why there is so much nudity (or such a male/female nudity imbalance) on their show. The questioner may even have a point! But there comes a time when it’s no longer worth discussing.

    Martin likes taking his time writing. B&W like including naked women in the show. They’re clearly not going to change.

  83. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    Andy C,

    Absolutely agree.It’s his baby and if he wants to finish it or not, that’s his business.As for the pace at which he writes, again his choice.I’m just grateful that I got to read them at all.

    If you’re that upset about him potentially not finishing the books, you might want to re-examine your priorities in life.They are just books, after all.

    So, other than his obligation to support any family he may have, pay his taxes and fulfill contractual obligations, he had no obligation to us.He has every right to tell the “worriers” to go eff off.

    He HAS an obligation to us. His money and fame just didn’t pop out of nowhere. If you do half a job and tell your boss “I’m not your bitch, I’m not going to finish, I HAVE A LIFE” you can’t expect the guy to be cool about it.
    Sure, he didn’t sign a legal contract, but people buy his books with the understanding that he would make every effort to finish the series. It’s a personal responsibility. It always surprise me how many of you are seemingly cool about GRRM fucking off and doing jack to finish the series, and celebrating that fact with the “Not your bitch” chant, as if you thought we want him to be chained to his desk 24/7 -it’s not that. We want him to give a crap about the books and respect his fans. When he finishes he can tour around the world and not write ever again, and no one would have a reason to complain.

  84. deekan
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    LordShang,

    My Oma and Opa are 80+ year old, overweight, smoker alcoholics…their still kicking.

  85. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James:
    Not that most folks will listen to reason on this matter, but: the thing is, Martin gets asked this question all the time now. Among interviews, conventions, fan mail and all the rest, he probably gets it several hundred times per year.

    For him, it is the equivalent of Benioff and Weiss being asked, time and again, why there is so much nudity (or such a male/female nudity imbalance) on their show. The questioner may even have a point! But there comes a time when it’s no longer worth discussing.

    Martin likes taking his time writing. B&W like including naked women in the show. They’re clearly not going to change.

    Then he has no reason to whine or to give middle fingers. He brought that on himself. Benioff and Weiss deliver like clockwork. If GRRM couldn’t care less about writing at a decent pace instead of taking 5+ years per book, then he’d better suck up all the criticism and worries from his fans instead of ranting.

  86. LordShang
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    deekan:
    LordShang,

    My Oma and Opa are 80+ year old, overweight, smoker alcoholics…their still kicking.

    …and?

    You might as well respond to someone who says you’ll never get rich if you don’t work by citing your deadbeat friend that won the lottery.

    Sorry, but even if your Oma and Opa were to live to 125, a 65 year old overweight man suddenly dying would hardly be untimely.

  87. Darquemode
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    These days at times I think some people do not ever listen to reason …. Sad that.

    It’s nice to see someone else that understands a person can be respectful and annoyed (at waiting) at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    The irony of course is that some people are so blinded by their rage and demanding their right to rant they cannot see that GRRM has the same right as well.

    Oh well…
    Bring on the casting news!

  88. militant marker
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Dwayne Roberts,

    you find it funny because your not in your mid sixties, if you make it to to that age, you’ll see why its offensive.

  89. zedolin
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Shady_Grady,

    Talking about his pace implies that he’s writing anything at all, which is seriously doubtful at this point.

  90. Cary Storm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who says “GRRM is not your bitch” is officially GRRM’s bitch.

  91. Cary Storm
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: Then he has no reason to whine or to give middle fingers. He brought that on himself. Benioff and Weiss deliver like clockwork. If GRRM couldn’t care less about writing at a decent pace instead of taking 5+ years per book, then he’d better suck up all the criticism and worries from his fans instead of ranting.

    Love you, Valdred. THIS. Why haven’t you been back to the forum in a while? We miss you!

  92. House Mormont
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face:
    House Mormont,

    I think the sad thing is that you have this delusional idea that all GRRM should do is sit and write for YOU.He happens to have a life even if you don’t. I will say it one more time: George Martin is not your bitch!

    *sigh* did I say it was sad for me and I expect him to write for me? It’s sad for HIM. A great man with a great mind with so much potential, and in 2000 he had three truly brilliant books and was crafting a masterpiece. Now 14 years later he’s got about 600 pages of masterpiece out and he doesn’t seem to be motivated to write.

    He says he doesn’t know how to write faster, then blurts out the problems he’s blind to in the next sentence.

    At least I have Steven Erickson and Patrick Rothfuss to entertain me till he decides to do something.

  93. House Mormont
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Advantages of George writing: Jon won’t be dead anymore

    Disadvantages of George writing: Arya gon die

  94. Maverick
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    What do you mean those people?

  95. R'hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Harry Potter fanbase > ASOIAF fanbase

  96. House Mormont
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Maxwell James,

    You know that the nudity comes courtesy of the 3 hbo producers and the source material, not david and Dan, the 2 producers who care

  97. Yarya
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    For someone who constantly writes about people dying horribly, he certainly seems terrified and insecure of his own mortality. Any mention of it and it’s “WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER I DIE??” Relax man. The whole life insurance industry is based around the concept of preparing for your death, is that offensive too?

    For the record, I encourage him to write at whatever pace he wants, I made peace a while ago with the fact that the books may never be finished. Just don’t freak out on people who don’t know you personally but really like your books. It’s not like anyone *wants* him to die…the reverse, in fact.

  98. Maverick
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    R’hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand,

    Harry potter plot holes > ASOIAF plot holes

  99. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Lex,
    Apologies – my misunderstanding. Also, love your “hit by a bus” quote. LOL

  100. vosh
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    When I saw this headline, I was hoping GRRM had said something to inspire confidence that he’d finish the series, but nope, he just got ultra-defensive and listed a slew of reasons for why he’s become such a slow writer. This only raises my doubts that we’ll get an ending. No, he doesn’t owe us anything, but likewise we aren’t obligated to pretend there isn’t a real danger of this series never being completed.

  101. R'hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Maverick,

    So far I guess, but I can’t think of any major ones off the top of my head. It will be easier to judge when ASOIAF is complete. I still find HP much more enjoyable but I do love ASOIAF

  102. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Can people really not see the difference between writing about the deaths of fictional characters and writing about the death of a real person?

  103. Andy C
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: He HAS an obligation to us. His money and fame just didn’t pop out of nowhere. If you do half a job and tell your boss “I’m not your bitch, I’m not going to finish, I HAVE A LIFE” you can’t expect the guy to be cool about it.Sure, he didn’t sign a legal contract, but people buy his books with the understanding that he would make every effort to finish the series. It’s a personal responsibility. It always surprise me how many of you are seemingly cool about GRRM fucking off and doing jack to finish the series, and celebrating that fact with the “Not your bitch” chant, as if you thought we want him to be chained to his desk 24/7 -it’s not that. We want him to give a crap about the books and respect his fans. When he finishes he can tour around the world and not write ever again, and no one would have a reason to complain.

    No, he doesn’t have any obligation to us — or at least not any more than we have to him. Here’s our obligation to him: treat him with respect and dignity, and give him the benefit of the doubt that, whatever happens, he’s doing the best he can.

    Sure, it’s possible he’s not doing the best he can. But there’s no way to know this for sure. As big as the world is getting, I have no doubt that the later books are indeed a lot harder to write than the early books.

    So his obligation to us is to try the best he can to continue writing. Our obligation to him is to not ask him questions about his death that he finds offensive, and not belittle him because we don’t think he’s writing fast enough.

  104. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Mikken’s Mark,

    Come on now, boy. We’re waiting.
    We’ll give you a bowl of brown. I promise we won’t rape you or anything like that!

  105. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Telling it to his face might be very, very offensive but you can’t help but talk about it in private discussions because it’s becoming a more legitimate possibility with every passing year.

  106. Reef
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Damn I was hoping he would say, “In the event of my death, Stephenie Meyer will step in to finish the series.” XD

  107. Jon Con
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Jenn,

    when youre overweight at that age, youre risk of death is a thousand fold. I’ve seen it happen to family and friends time and time again. You simply can not be overweight and old at the same time.

  108. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    The D&D’ vs GRRM game will end in a 7-1

  109. The Dragon Demands
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m not worried about his “health” or his “age”…but what if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow or something? You never know the future, and you always think random accidents will happen to someone else.

    I mean, tomorrow, some horrific set accident could crush both of George’s hands, resulting in them both needing to be amputated. THEN how will he finish, eh?

  110. sandbun
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Poor celebrity millionaire with poor celebrity millionaire problems. “People actually expect stuff of me now?! People openly speculate about my future! Alas! Woe is me!”

    Obligation is too strong of a word, but at the same time he lost the right to complain about this stuff when he decided to focus on being a celebrity author. And it’s not like this is unfounded concern, this issue has occurred in the past with other authors. That makes it reasonable to worry about, no matter how much he dislikes the question. I don’t particularly have a problem with this response, because I’m sure it gets old. He’s allowed to express himself. But his general attitude of “how dare anyone question me” is just as tiring to me as this question is to him. There’s an easy way to avoid these questions. Finish, or at least start turning down more interview requests.

    He’s a great author and I really enjoy his work, but I really am not a fan of the person. I don’t understand why some people have such a hard time separating the two.

  111. Eddard Stark II
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who thinks he owes us anything is a bloody idiot.

  112. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    He doesn’t owe us anything. All he’s going to lose by continuing with his horrid ADWD pace is our respect. When the last book comes out (if?) the series will already be obsolete as the showcwould have ended for a few years. And he’d have to deal with it just as much as any fan.

  113. John W
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    He’s selling something. His readers are paying for it. Since when has the customer not been entitled to have an opinion on where his/her money goes? I don’t get it. I absolutely understand the frustration of the readers. He only works in an environment that is controlled and leads to productivity. DON’T WE ALL???? I guess the difference is that we don’t spend 2 weeks a month on planes, going to cons, hawking comic books, doing speaking engagements….it seems to me like he’s put the celebrity ahead of that which produced the celebrity. You almost never heard a peep from J.K. Rowling WHILE she was busy writing, her books came out at a reasonable speed and were awesome…and now she’s become the very first author ever to become an actual billionaire. And I’m sorry, I don’t agree with the whole “He doesn’t owe you anything” line, it’s just not reasonable. WE pay money for his books, WE pay money to see his tv show, he owes a return on that investment of time. My opinion is valid, so are each of his readers, this isn’t a feudalistic society we live in, even if he’s writing about one.

  114. Alan
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    It always amazes me when people realize why speculation on his death is offensive.

    If you were worried about Martin’s health because you care about him as a fellow human being, that would be one thing.

    But what most people really mean is “I hope he doesn’t die because that would mean I don’t get to hear the end of the story.” He as a person is irrelevant to you; it’s only the books/story that matter — your personal enjoyment.

    It’s like hearing this barista who makes a killer cappuccino at your local Starbucks had to quit because they had cancer — and your lament isn’t for them or their family and friends but that you may never get a cappuccino that good again.

    That barista would tell you to go “F” off as well.

  115. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Lately every headline I read on this site seems to translate to “No, this is not the casting news you were looking for.”

    And speculating about GRRM dying is really truly offensive, as Alan posts just above. GRRM owes everyone here precisely zilch.

  116. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    We don’t know GRRM well enough as a person to be heartbroken simply by his death. We will be heartbroken because we know his legacy (the books). In the event that he dies after finishing the books, each of us would pitch in with thanks calling him a great man and a genius. If he dies before finishing the books, he does before finishing his legacy- the only thing we know him by (interviews hardly count). So yes, it’s completely understandable that people fear for the death of his legacy more than they fear for his own death.

    It sucks that humans are so selfish and insensitive that they’d make such a big deal out of it and outright ask him, but that’s nothing new.

  117. Alan
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: He HAS an obligation to us. His money and fame just didn’t pop out of nowhere. If you do half a job and tell your boss “I’m not your bitch, I’m not going to finish, I HAVE A LIFE” you can’t expect the guy to be cool about it.
    Sure, he didn’t sign a legal contract, but people buy his books with the understanding that he would make every effort to finish the series. It’s a personal responsibility. It always surprise me how many of you are seemingly cool about GRRM fucking off and doing jack to finish the series, and celebrating that fact with the “Not your bitch” chant, as if you thought we want him to be chained to his desk 24/7 -it’s not that. We want him to give a crap about the books and respect his fans. When he finishes he can tour around the world and not write ever again, and no one would have a reason to complain.

    You need to read through the thread. Most people do want him chained to the desk 24/7, no vacations, no personal time.

    The idea that Martin is slacking or does not want to finish the series is pretty ridiculous. This is his baby — there’s no way he cares for it less than you do.

    If he isn’t working as quickly as he would like, it’s not a question of desire but simply effectiveness. Perhaps his brain is burnt out. Perhaps he is being too much of a perfectionist. Perhaps he needs a rest to produce good work.

    People act like this is their job — work the assembly line. Some authors are like that (and it’s generally repetitive, terrible work). But Martin isn’t.

    The idea that he’s just living the high life, not caring about his magnum opus is both stupid and insulting. I can understand why he wants to say fuck you to all of you.

    Imagine if you had dedicated over 20 years of your life to something, that it had been your best work, that it had gone better than you probably ever imagined. And now, when writing it, it’s going slower than you want — that you are struggling at times to make it as good as before in your mind. Imagine that frustration level. If you can’t you’ve never created anything worthwhile.

    Now imagine you have constant, insulting comments implying that you don’t care, that you are lazy, that you are going to die and that’s only a shame because it inconveniences them.

  118. Alan
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Alan,

    We don’t know GRRM well enough as a person to be heartbroken simply by his death. We will be heartbroken because we know his legacy (the books). In the event that he dies after finishing the books, each of us would pitch in with thanks calling him a great man and a genius. If he dies before finishing the books, he does before finishing his legacy- the only thing we know him by (interviews hardly count). So yes, it’s completely understandable that people fear for the death of his legacy more than they fear for his own death.

    It sucks that humans are so selfish and insensitive that they’d make such a big deal out of it and outright ask him, but that’s nothing new.

    I’m not asking you to be heartbroken. I’m asking people to be mildly respectful. But that’s asking too much these days.

  119. Hoot
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    To all the armchair experts claiming to have ‘invested’ financially in the series, making demands ‘as a customer’- grow up. You haven’t lost any money. You’ve paid for books and received them, one at a time. You haven’t pre-ordered TWOW, so GRRM doesn’t owe you a damn thing.

    Depressing levels of obnoxious entitlement in these comments. So much for manners, it’s just endless cries of I WANT I WANT. Disgusting.

  120. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    I would say that no one is obligated to buy his books – I can tell the average age of commenters here by the mention of HP series (which was fine but books for children – nothing close to the sophistication and adult plot lines of GRRM). He owes you nothing just as you owe him nothing, folks. If you are truly upset, boycott – but I am patiently waiting and will be happy to buy all his books whenever they come out.

  121. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    If you do half a job and tell your boss

    This is a false analogy. Buying his books does not make us the equivalent of his boss. IF he has a boss, it’s the Publisher. He MIGHT have an obligation to them. All that happened between him and the readers is he wrote the book and put it up for sale. The reader bought it. That’s the end of the exchange and the obligation. The reader has the option to never read it, to set it on fire, to use it as toilet paper or treasure it for the fine reading it is. There is no obligation implied or expected after a reader has purchased the book, why would there be on on the author’s part?

    It always surprise me how many of you are seemingly cool about GRRM fucking off and doing jack to finish the series

    Do you live with GRRM? I didn’t think so. So you have no earthly idea if he’s not doing anything to finish the series. Maybe from the outside it looks like that but you don’t know what he does day in and day out and you have no idea if it’s even at a stage that he needs to be working on it. It could be in editing when he takes trips for all you know. Your opinion does not an argument make.

    We want him to give a crap about the books and respect his fans.

    If he didn’t give a crap he wouldn’t have spent the last 20+ years writing the darn things. It takes a tremendous amount of willpower and love to write full time for that many years on a single story. And as far as respecting his fans…why do you think he does so many fan events like comic con, screenings for fans in his home town, etc. I follow several other authors and he is one of the most accessible authors I’ve ever seen. If he didn’t care and respect his fans he’d never interact with them or interact only when forced to do so by his publisher. Furthermore, he has shown and stated that he is extremely grateful that so many have bought his books and read them. That’s all he owes us, gratitude for us willing to take a chance on his writing in the first place.

    However, purchase of a book or books does not obligate him to provide books in future. If you want to pay him in advance for the books in the series THEN and ONLY THEN would he have an obligation to finish the books.

  122. fiu
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    So we know how make George write faster ignore/ boycott all his public appearance. Don’t waiting for signature on book.And maybe we get books earlier.

  123. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Summer,

    A good person, in my opinion, isn’t an egocentric. Martin IS egocentric, but okay, I already accepted that a few years ago.

    Are you seriously implying that all the fans demanding he stop traveling so much and attending fan events so that he can finish the books and that he OWES them the books are not egocentric? Ironic that

  124. jentario
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Alan: I’m not asking you to be heartbroken. I’m asking people to be mildly respectful. But that’s asking too much these days.

    People have been selfish and insensitive forever, and they will always be. It sucks but we might as well accept the situation. I guess GRRM just couldn’t take the question anymore, and I completely understand his reaction (even though it looks bloody hilarious since it comes alongside more fuel for the fire with “I can’t write unless there is the right amount of breeze up my arsehole and I refuse to buy an asshole breezer”).

    GRRM should do what he wants, he can disappoint us all if he wants. He can disappoint himself if he wants. People will bitch about it, though.

  125. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Rothfuss took 4 years to write the second novel of the Kingkiller chronicles….since the second book came out in 2011, you won’t see his next one until 2014 at the earliest and he is working on several novellas now so it will probably be later. Why is it ok for him to take so long to write his books and get sidetracked by side projects but not GRRM?

  126. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Then we owe him precisely zilch, which is why he doesn’t deserve our respect, and we should continue speculating about his imminent demise.

  127. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    You forgot to say “GRRM is not your bitch”. It’s been a whole minute since it was said.

  128. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    John W,

    Since when has the customer not been entitled to have an opinion on where his/her money goes?

    No one said you couldn’t have an opinion. We have the right to tell you that we disagree with your opinion.

    And once you bought the book, all obligations ceased. Purchase of a book or books does not entitle you to future books. If that were true, every author who ever sold a book would be obligated to produce more ad infinitum. Ridiculous argument.

  129. Rogge
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Hoot:
    To all the armchair experts claiming to have ‘invested’ financially in the series, making demands ‘as a customer’- grow up. You haven’t lost any money. You’ve paid for books and received them, one at a time. You haven’t pre-ordered TWOW, so GRRM doesn’t owe you a damn thing.

    And how many would skip a book series if they knew beforehand that it would never be finished?

    When an author publishes the first book in a series, he’s basically saying “I wrote part of a story, I’d like you to buy it so I can make money of it and continue writing my story.” If not enough people buy it, it’s likely the author will have to discontinue the series.

    George R.R. Martin is not my bitch – but he has made me skip any book that’s part of an unfinished series, even if it’s recommended to me as a great book. The losers are other authors that are in the same situation George was in when he wrote his first book in a song of ice and fire.

  130. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    He wrote a book, you bought it. Therein ends the obligations. However, respect is a two way street. People speculating about his imminent demise and caring more about the books than they do about the person is ugly and disgusting. He’s not flipping off all of his fans, just the ones that can’t help acting like entitled arseholes.

  131. Daniellica
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I think some people are a bit misinformed about how long it takes to write a novel. Yes, Steven King seems to shit novels the way Tywin supposedly shat gold (an appropriate metaphor for his work, in my opinion). James Patterson seems to put out 5 novels a year, judging by his TV ads (no comment). This is not the norm, however.

    Some of my favorite modern authors average about 7-10 years per publication, which is admittedly on the longer end of the spectrum, but 5 years does not seem unusual or overlong to me, perhaps because I know how difficult writing truly is, especially when you’re not simply rehashing the same bullshit people keep buying because it is easy and lucrative and comfortable.

    What strikes me as possible is that GRRM was under contractual deadlines for his first three books (which he entered into thinking he was composing a trilogy, after all), and after this point they had become successful enough that he was given more leeway to set his own pace. What many people, including artists, don’t realize is that deadlines and constraints are not in themselves impediments to creativity–they often fuel it.

    Sometimes, when a certain level of success is reached, one is given carte blanche, and s/he no longer has to fight for the work. Fighting for your work helps you reach the essentials. It enforces discipline, which every successful writer I have known has had in spades. I have no idea if this has occurred with GRRM, but it has occurred to me.

    On the flip side, I also assume much of his touring is work–conventions, press junkets, book tours are all worked into contracts for both TV and publishing. It definitely doesn’t sound like vacation to me. As for working on other projects, I view this as a good thing. When I have been working on something so closely for so long, I often have to take a break and work on something else to give myself some perspective, to come back to it with fresher eyes, to let my ideas percolate and problems resolve themselves in the back of my brain. Working yourself to misery on something is not the way to produce your best.

    As for the “will you finish before you die” stuff, I would also find it offensive, as it would imply to me that my life only has value to my so-called fans as a vessel to produce what it is that they want and not as a fellow human being whose life has value separate from my work. To me, it says, “don’t you dare die before you finish this series, but after that, feel free!” Maybe that is not what people mean, but can you not see how he might be hearing that from such comments?

    Personally, if such comments were directed at me, I would avoid working on what is so callously demanded, but I’ve always sucked with strident expectation. :)

  132. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    So did he have an off day or is this latest grand public “what-am-I-promoting?” tour not going so well (or to his liking)? Why does GRRM continually subject himself to this obvious trolling and loaded questioning? You can see the dismissal and agitation in his eyes and hear it in the inflection of his voice.

    He doesn’t need this shit (and we definitely don’t need to hear it over and over again) so I can’t comprehend why GRRM constantly subjects himself to it. I wish he would just go enjoy the amazing historic and natural sights in Bavaria, Catalonia, Paris and Amalfi Coast and rediscover his muse. Stop this contractual obligation malaise.

  133. Burg0s
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Easy fix to the problem Mr. Martin. SKIP anything extra and stay home for 2 years(a few weeks of vacation each year is fine) and finish the story. Millions of people around the world have given him millions upon millions for this story. Without us he is not involved with HBO, Not a multiple time best seller, not able to travel the globe for kicks and cons(hell, w/o us he wouldn’t even be invited to most of the events he goes to(he’d actually have to pay admission). All we (your faithful readers) ask in return is an ending in a reasonable time frame.

    If it goes to 8 books I could be dead before I read His ending and not D&D’s version. IDK why anyone is soo touchy with speculation about anyone’s death. Death is as much a part of life as living. Hell, he could get hit by a bus today (not likely but its possible), or his plane could crash(hope not). There are 2 possiblities that have NOTHING to do with his health or age(which is borderline offensive to speculate on since we are not his Dr). Back on point, he should finish his job. Then enjoy the rest of his life with no monkey on his back and all the money we’ve given him.

  134. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Anyone who flips off a section of the people who have made him millions, for caring about the future of something they’ve created, is frankly, a disrespectful asshole.

  135. Dany's Diarrhea Chapter
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    Sentar,

    He wrote a book, you bought it.Therein ends the obligations.However, respect is a two way street.People speculating about his imminent demise and caring more about the books than they do about the person is ugly and disgusting.He’s not flipping off all of his fans, just the ones that can’t help acting like entitled arseholes.

    He wrote a book, as a part of a series of books. Get that? Series. Again: Series. F-ing series of books! No one would read Game of Thrones, like it after finishing and afterwards stops reading the rest of the series.

    So, no. The obligation does not end with the completion of the first book, but with the completion of the series. Otherwise, what is the point of a series (series!) of books, if an author does not, can’t, won’t or shouldn’t provide his readers’ the ending

  136. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Attaboy, George Martin. What a asinine question to respond to. Clearly representing a minority if disillusioned segment of the population. Expectations of the media press is kowtowed so much to irrelevant sensationalism that it actually reflect poorly on the intelligence of the reviewer. I admit I’m not familiar with this Swiss press, are they something like TMZ , Fox news and CNN in the States ?

  137. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    blame the attention seeking press ^ . . ^

  138. Alan
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Alan: I’m not asking you to be heartbroken. I’m asking people to be mildly respectful. But that’s asking too much these days.

    p.s. I don’t mean the “you” in my statement to be you Jentario.

  139. Severance23
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    A big fuck you to you too, George.

  140. Leuf
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    He actually did stop traveling so much this year, other than a couple months over the summer like most everyone else does during the summer. Hasn’t slowed down the demands that he not travel so much at all.

    That was how you could tell he actually realized he needed to write the books if he wanted to stay ahead of the series, but it was too late.

  141. Tatters
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Brandon,

    Your ego would have good time with Kanye west.
    TOLKIEN IS GOD
    KANYE: I AM GOD
    DISGRACE, YOU MAKE PORNO MUSIC
    KANYE: I AM SHAKESPEARE, DISNEY, MOZART REBORN
    I LOVE YOU KANYE, BUT YOU ARE THE DEVIL, ONLY TOLKIEN CAN JUDGE YOU
    KANYE: YOU DONT GOT THE ANSWERS MAN, YOU DONT HAVE THE ANSWERS!!!

    This is futile, but wake up, tolkien isnt god or anything.
    Tolkien in the end, didnt shit masterpieces.
    He wrote as a proffessor and never intended it to be art.
    Its more science than art. Making languages and descriptions isnt more art than a videogame. Tolkien cant write, a flaw addressed over and over.
    Grrm is a master at storytelling and narrative art.
    He clearly, to me, is more similar to George Lucas.
    You can tell how uncanny writers rise over the rigid ones.

  142. Rygar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    I still say that George must have horrible breath.

    And stank breath has been linked to premature death. Google it. There’s amazing porn on there too.

    Oh I do love a good Fuck Off now and then. Nicely done Marty.

  143. Eddard Stark II
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Its pretty pathetic if you lose respect for him just because he is writng slowly. After giving us five great books and amazing characters you throw a hissy fit because how long it’s taking him to write the rest, that’s really childish.

  144. Arriba
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    He looked pissed off… I don’t think any stark is going to survive the next book… Lol

  145. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    Hes not writing the rest. He’s going on holiday and writing side projects. Also, there are 3 great books, 2 bloated pieces of shit.

  146. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    Anyone who is worried more about the end of a story over the actual end of a human life is a much bigger asshole and deserves to be flipped off. I think he’s answered this idiotic question so many times with such good grace and he’s just tired of it. How many times does the poor man have to be provoked with such an offensive question? He’s been asked a thousand times and he responded with grace and kindness the first 999 but on the 1000th he’s just had enough. And for that, you’re gonna call him an asshole? I invite you to put up with an offensive question posed to you thousands of times in front of cameras and live audiences. I want to see just how gracious you are with it.

    Human beings are remarkably lacking in empathy…it will be the doom of our species. And this whole debacle is the perfect example of why. Books are not more important than people. Period. Dot.

  147. Gator5000e
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t start to read the books until after the 5th book had been published. Actually I wasn’t even aware of the series until the HBO show began. So my question is, what signs or hints, etc. were present while everyone was waiting for book 5 to come out that it was close to being released?

    Thanks.

  148. Tom Thumb
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Hey Martin, denial isn’t just a river in egypt.

  149. Rygar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II:
    jentario,

    Its pretty pathetic if you lose respect for him just because he is writng slowly. After giving us five great books and amazing characters you throw a hissy fit because how long it’s taking him to write the rest, that’s really childish.

    Just to clarify, One GREAT book two mediocre ones one less than mediocre and one piss & shit. I see a trend.

  150. vosh
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Attaboy, George Martin. What a asinine question to respond to.

    The interviewer simply said “some people are worried that it’s not going to be finished.” Please explain what is asinine about that. It’s a worry that a vast majority of GRRM’s readers have, whether they admit it or not.

    We are not GRRM’s bitch. We’re entitled to express our concern over the increasing likelihood that we’ll never get an ending.

  151. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    Hes not writing the rest. He’s going on holiday and writing side projects. Also, there are 3 great books, 2 bloated pieces of shit.

    And you know this how? You have his personal appointment book? As for your opinions of his books, sorry you feel that way. You sound really bitter and angry. Maybe you need to deal with that first before worrying about GRRM and his books.

  152. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    It’s a worry that a vast majority of GRRM’s readers have

    Have you surveyed all of us? No? Then don’t speak for the rest of us. There is only you and your anecdotal evidence of other readers.

    And even IF you’re right, that most readers worry about it, it’s still an offensive question that should not be asked. If you can’t understand why it’s offensive then you need to take “Empathy 101: Giving a shit about other human beings”. This course is available via school or your family (hopefully both) at any point during your life and it’s free.

  153. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Human life really isn’t that precious, it’s a commodity like any other. And the fact that the people Martin is responding too might be assholes, doesn’t change the fact that he himself is being an asshole. Also, considering Martin is worth 50 million, if I was him, I would shrug it off and go back to my Santa Fe mansion.

  154. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Hank,

    So you’ve watched and read every interview he’s ever done? That’s fantastic! /sarcasm

  155. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    All you need to do is go over to his blog, see the extensive focus on the Cocteau theatre, the amount of time he spends abroad and at conventions, and look at the sheer amount of words that went into his two novellas and the world of ice anf fire rather than the main series, and the confirmation by his editor that he’d only delivered 140 pages to her (which is about as much as was cut from Dance). Nice ad hominem and condescension btw.

  156. Eddard Stark II
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    If you think that, why even bother reading the rest?

  157. vosh
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D Ranged, I have plenty of empathy for the billions who endure real suffering, not a multi-millionaire author being told “some people are worried that it’s not going to be finished.” He’s published two in 15 years, with no evidence that TWoW is even close to being done (his UK publisher said in January that it’s “almost certainly years away” – meaning 2016 at BEST), and based on his track record, it’s extremely likely that he’ll need at least an 8th book to finish this, so it’s legitimate to raise the possibility that we’ll never get an ending.

  158. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: Then he has no reason to whine or to give middle fingers. He brought that on himself. Benioff and Weiss deliver like clockwork. If GRRM couldn’t care less about writing at a decent pace instead of taking 5+ years per book, then he’d better suck up all the criticism and worries from his fans instead of ranting.

    Umm, are we forgetting that the execs are only adapting a story thats already been written for them. (?)

    Maxwell, I couldn’t agree more. Also__ experience and professionalism counts for nothing these days. Zealous fans are entitled to have authors and artists derive expression and timelines according to the audiences’ taste. I’d like Aristotle or Shakespeare to respond to that perspective. Well, they would likely offer a brief glare then walk away. Doesn’t dignify a response. Sometimes there is a reasonable expectation that any audience may have for their frustration, however conjuring up any complaint for the sake of noting a personal discontent is either poorly conceived or just petty. I’m disappointed that Matt Smith quit his tenure as Doctor Who, yet I wish him well in his career and al endeavours. Believe or not, there is an aggregate of viewers actually speaking up to boycott the August debut of actor Peter Capaldi, the new Doctor. Tell me this isn’t absurd… will the show discontinue because of a few dispossessed Nerds ? LMAO ! Take the necessary time needed to complete the book, Mr Martin. make it worth the wait and worth reading. In other words, a worthy story that satisfies the author / storyteller. Ignore intrusive questions about your diet and which side of the bed you sleep on.

  159. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    When did I say that I was?

  160. Violentos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    The problem is that George goes out to too many events and makes way too many appearances, makes too many promises and commitments, etc. He rarely gives himself a chance to be at home for weeks on end. Instead of saying “fuck you” to the fans, he needs to realize that ASOIAF (Thrones) is his greatest contribution to the world, his ultimate legacy and make a commitment to writing. Even before he was as busy as he now currently is with other things, it took him 6 years to release A Dance With Dragons. Fans don’t want to wait 8 years for the next book! Put that logic together with the fact that his health ISN’T the greatest… anyone would worry.

  161. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    Nowhere did I compare GRRM’s hurt feelings as being equivalent or worse than the suffering of starving children in Third World countries or the innocent victims of war, etc, etc, etc. Empathy, however, does not distinguish between things such as rich or poor. It’s simply understanding where another person is coming from. He’s a man in his 60′s and he admits he’s getting older and slowing down. And now people are bugging the crap out of him to finish the books and are openly talking about his health, his weight, if he’s going to die and how….contemplating one’s own mortality sucks…ask anyone in their 60′s good health or not. Why don’t you understand how that question might disturb him and isn’t really necessary? Not to mention the fact that it’s been asked and answered a gazillion times over the years.

  162. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    GRRM is not a professional author. He’s an amateur who got lucky with three amazing books and ran out of ideas. He doesn’t have the work ethic of a professional, which is the reason of all of his problems. Once you accept that, you stop being pissed off at long waits and just move on to the more professional writers.

  163. Eddard Stark II
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    Why are you here then?

  164. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    I don’t know, there’s this little thing called Game of Thrones. You heard of it?

  165. vosh
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    The interviewer didn’t ask about GRRM’s health. He relayed the simple fact that “some people are worried it’s not going to be finished,” to which GRRM told us to fuck off. I’ve never said one word about his health, and I’ve said many times he doesn’t owe us anything, but I refuse to apologize for expressing concern that he won’t finish a series that’s made him tens of millions.

  166. AlayneStone
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Great interview. The journalist was incisive and took Martin out of his comfort zone.

    The interviews I had seen before were all the same: same questions, same answers.

    Personally I found Martin a bit rude and defensive. I love his books, but I am starting not to like him that much in a personal level. He might be 65, but he sounds like a defensive teenager trying to justify the continuous procrastination of his homework.

    I mean, if he knows his writing method so well, why does he not apply it more often?

    It might be disrespectful to ask somebody about his age and health and life expectancy, but it is also disrespectful to engage in so many other activities instead of finishing the saga when thousands of invested fans are waiting. Just saying.

    (And sorry for my poor English, it is not my mother tongue).

  167. Jeb
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Wait, this guy writes books?? That’s amazing,I thought he was a theatre curator.

  168. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky:
    GRRM is not a professional author. He’s an amateur who got lucky with three amazing books and ran out of ideas. He doesn’t have the work ethic of a professional, which is the reason of all of his problems. Once you accept that, you stop being pissed off at long waits and just move on to the more professional writers.

    X to that … just look at GRRMs toughts on the 4th book in the year 2000

    October 17, 2000
    Frankfurt Bookfair (October 17-23)

    Since George has not started writing DWD everything though can be changed …
    DWD will be thinner and quicker.
    No new POV
    Catelyn will not be a POV
    More attention on Casterly Rock

    No new POV …. LOOOL ! AFFC is noting but new POVs
    Thinner and quicker? :-)

    Like you said this amateur got lucky and now he´s lost….

  169. Eddard Stark II
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    This isn’t about Game Of Thrones it’s about GRRM. You’re just here hating on George.

  170. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    AlayneStone,

    “GRRM IS NOT YOUR BITCH”, entitled scum. (Am I doing it right?)

  171. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    Human life is not a commodity. To think of it as such and to treat it as such is immoral and a slippery slope that has gotten humans into trouble in the past and will do so again if we let it. I called people who thought the books were more important than his life assholes. You are, evidently, admitting to being one. That’s not my ad hominem, that’s you admitting to a selfish and horrible viewpoint.

    As for the schedule, you have no idea what he is actually obligated to do for the show, for his publisher, etc. His traveling to conventions and overseas may be something he has to do. I don’t know but neither do you. Furthermore, those complaining about him not liking fans are also angry that he’s doing appearances to appease the fans (logic is not their strong suit). They want their cake and want to eat it too.

    As for you personal issues, you are damning yourself with your own posts. Envy for his wealth (which he earned and which you helped to enable BTW)…envy of his free time apparently…anger that you aren’t getting what you want on your timetable….again, it’s his life, he can do with it as he pleases. Just because we want the ending doesn’t mean he’s obligated. Since when did “I want” become “You owe me”?

    And I don’t blame him for being angry at the question. You apparently do. My viewpoint cares about him as a person more than the story (which I want VERY badly to read the end of). I didn’t take his anger personally, apparently you and many others did. Perhaps that’s what you need to look at…why you took it so personal. If that’s condescending, oh well.

  172. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    And this is a problem because…

  173. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Hank,

    Nope, haven’t watched them all but don’t need to. You’re the one who said he has NEVER been nice to his fans. That implies you’ve seen everything he’s ever done. I have watched enough to have heard him express gratitude for his fans and that one of the reasons he makes himself so accessible to fans is because he appreciates them. I only have to see one or two instances to disprove your “never” statement.

  174. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    As I expected, the whiners are out in force. Let me be absolutely clear: GRRM owes us nothing. The only person he owes anything to is the publisher. That is it. All you so-called customers are as significant as a sheep’s opinion is to a lion (or any other predator). Your transaction with him begins and ends with the purchase of a book (as Ms A to Z so eloquently put it). He’ll finish it when he finishes it. Another thing: pointing out that GRRM is not our bitch (gods bless Neil Gaiman) is not brown-nosing. It’s called not being a selfish spoiled brat. If I were GRRM, I’d say the same thing, only with even more profanity.

    Having said all this, I would not be surprised if GRRM (or more likely Bantam Spectra) has or makes an arrangement with Daniel Abraham (George’s protege and a damn fine writer in his own right) to finish ASOIAF should anything happen.

    I wonder if Robert Caro gets this much grief over his LBJ series, considering he’s been working on it for over 30 years, has 1 or more books to go, and is 77.

  175. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Thanks for the amateur psychology honey, but I think you should stick to youtube reviews.

  176. WildSeed
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    you said it….. ” vast majority “. An overstatement, however true that a vocal group has taken to the web and Nerdfests like Comic Con. It’s asinine , in perspective and interview tactic , to consider unreasonable expectation and a dispirited small contingent during an interview. It reflects badly on the interviewer and put the interviewed guest on edge. A defensive interview can easily come about with poor consideration and preparation. It undermines the hosts’ intelligence. Now if this were a reasonable well justified line of questioning, meriting formal statement, then ask away. Moreover, my statements above primarily include the mindset of certain fans, and any interviewer hoping to gain some momentum by it.

    To illustrate the often confused state of affairs the press finds itself in, US reporter Andrea Mitchell, interrupted he interview of Mideast state official, to report ( then ) that certain celebrity had been arrested on misdemeanor charges. Absurd and cringeworthy. If I hadn’t been watching, I could have easily believed that the reporter was just another Tabloid reporter out of her depth. Sorry, there’s too much petty garbage that gets admixed with worthwhile reporting. Just saying’ . No disrespect to you.

    I think I misunderstood the ” bitch ” reference. I gathered that it is GRRM that is supposedly ” the bitch ” for a small but vocal few that wish to stir up controversy, even his pending demise or death ( exaggerated claims of a death watch due to poor health ). I never considered the reader as ” a bitch “. I would just exercise my free choice to not purchase the next book. Maybe I got the wrong end of it.

  177. Rygar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    This is pure speculation but I am betting that GRRM has a big fat cock.

  178. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    It’s one thing to express concern on a site like this–I’ve got no problem with that. I’m concerned he won’t finish it either. I felt the same way about Jordan. Felt horrible that he got sick and died but still worried I would never know the ending of his series. But I would never in a million years approach him in private or in an interview about it. What I was challenging was your assertion that the question was not offensive and was okay to ask. It just isn’t.

  179. 2awesome4apossum
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Both sides are wrong here (although each is a little bit right).

    I’m of the opinion that a story can be worthwhile even if we don’t see its ending. If HBO had made season 4 Game of Thrones’ last season, I’d still buy the Blu-Rays and rewatch the story, because what we got was pretty fantastic. Just because there wasn’t a definitive “period” placed at the end, doesn’t mean the journey wasn’t worth going on. Kings & Awake are two good examples of TV shows that only lasted a season, but which I own via home media and frequently solicit to friends and family.

    Much of life is full of cliffhangers that will never be resolved, and we piece together the clues to come up with an explanation that satisfies us. You see it happen with love, death, religion, etc.

    So I understand the idea that Neil Gaiman has perpetuated about the “GRRM IS NOT UR B*TCH!” You’ve gotten what you paid for and (hopefully) you feel it was worth it, given that books are relatively inexpensive for the amount of time that was put into them. Writing is a risky business that often DOESN’T pay off for the author.

    On the other hand, I understand the idea that a lot of fans perpetuate, which is “WE SPENT TIME & MONEY, HE OWES US.” Because, you’ve done a lot to guarantee the success of the series, and in this instance it has worked. You’ve bought multiple copies of the books, recommended it to everyone you know, purchased merchandise, etc., etc.

    So just like the author has taken a risk in putting his work out there with potentially little payoff, the fans have taken a risk into buying the series. They have invested time and money. They have recommended it to the people they know. They have placed their trust in the author that he will deliver an ending, and presumably a good one.

    Face it, there are a potentially a lot of obstacles that could have prevented us from seeing the books finished short of GRRM’s death.

    Sometimes, these things (like poor sales or a publisher not renewing a contract) are out of the author’s control, and completely understandable. I wasn’t mad at Michael Green when KINGS was cancelled by NBC, as much as I wanted an ending. I understand that sometimes the numbers don’t add up. But in this case, obviously these things are absolutely there.

    So I think that when readers have invested so much money into a product, they have every right to ask about the franchise future. Can you imagine if Microsoft or Apple stopped supporting their OS with updates?

    You may have paid for the version of Windows XP you got, but you expect it to be updated over time, because that is what is supposed to happen.

    So GRRM can be offended all he wants, just as he has offended many of his fans. Both put their faith in each other from the beginning, both took risks. Both have had huge payoffs. Both sides have every reason to expect that the other is going to keep their end of the deal. He expects the fans to keep buying books, they expect him to keep writing them until the story is finished.

    Really, all I got out of this is that GRRM is about as big of a bastard as your average internet troll — randomly flaming people when he hears something he doesn’t like. I’m over it, although I certainly wish he would have acted like an adult, just as I wish that more people on the internet would have acted like adults. Hope we get the TV series through the end, that’s all I care about now, but if we don’t, I’m sure I’ll live. I’ve survived through more cancellations of things I’ve liked than renewals, so it’s all good.

  180. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky,

    He’s been a writer since 1979.

  181. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,
    Oh, my dear your panties are in a bunch, aren’t they? Your use of the diminutive made me laugh and did not hurt my feelings in the least. It doesn’t take a degree to see that you’re pretty angry. Maybe you should consider switching to reading someone like Stephen King…there is plenty of finished crap from him.

  182. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    True, but that is not his problem. We don’t pay him, the publisher does. He owes us nothing, no do we owe him anything.

  183. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    To be worried if GRRM will finish the series is natural. To ask him to his face about his health and death is rude. I mean, come on: his life is naturally going to be more important to him than whether he finishes the series or not. And it must seem to him that fans that don’t feel the same way are ungrateful.

  184. Tatters
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    Bloated pieces of shit.

    Pizza?

  185. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    2awesome4apossum,

    Fair point, but here’s the problem. Neither party, at this point, owes the other anything. We don’t pay George, Bantam and maybe HBO do. At this point, GRRM owes his fans nothing, just as his fans are free to go on and read other books.

  186. vosh
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Elessar,

    Elessar:
    vosh,

    True, but that is not his problem. We don’t pay him, the publisher does. He owes us nothing, no do we owe him anything.

    I’ve said that from the beginning.

    GRRM is not our bitch, but many of his fans would have us believe that we are his bitch and should pretend this series is in no danger of going unfinished.

  187. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    A post such as the one I responded to deserves nothing more. Your endless posts don’t really make me feel anything other than extreme boredom. And I assure you, I care little whether Martin finishes anymore. Though I find your willingness to drag the name of an actual author through the mud dispiriting.

  188. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Dany’s Diarrhea Chapter,

    I bet this is Hoyti Toyti or WTFever you call yourself. Again, even if it’s a series, unless you pre-order the book he owes you nothing. Life is precarious. Nothing in life is guaranteed and if you think it should be then you need to seriously take a step back and check in with reality. I never expected Jordan to finish and that was even before he became sick. It’s awesome that it was finished but I didn’t expect it and he didn’t owe me a damn thing at any point while writing the story.

  189. 2awesome4apossum
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Elessar,

    The basis of advances are expected royalties, based on a percentage of book sale prices. So sure, we don’t directly pay him, just as he doesn’t directly “write” for us, but I guarantee if Bantam had their way, we’d have more books … so it makes sense for people to go straight to the source, given that a portion of their money has gone straight to the source assuming that standard royalties practices are being adhered to.

    Again, I don’t think it will be upsetting if we never get an ending to the series in either format, but I don’t see his “offense” as being any more righteous than the fans who have taken offense.

  190. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Sentar,

    Funny, you seem to want to get the last word in. Go ahead, be my guest if it makes you feel better.

  191. R'hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    I’m curious what age do you think reads Harry Potter exactly? A little less than half of the people that bought the books were adult readers. It did start as a children’s book but became more adult-like as the series progressed. While they are two completely different book series a more complex story doesn’t always mean good or better. I would argue that all of the HP books were good reads where as all of Martin’s aren’t. For that matter, HP has vastly outsold ASOIAF to the point where it’s possible there are more adults that’ve read HP. I think GRRM is an amazing storyteller but I’m not a fan of his style of writing, and I think JK Rowling is much more surperior in that sense. Regardless, both series are incredible but its also possible GRRM fucks up the ending or doesn’t finish at all. Most of this is my opinion yes (so don’t kill me).

  192. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    I see little evidence of this. Most of the fans I’ve interacted with it long ago resigned themselves to the idea of ASOIAF never being finished or someone else being called in to do so. It has nothing to do with pretending and everything to do with acknowledging reality.

  193. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    many of his fans would have us believe that we are his bitch and should pretend this series is in no danger of going unfinished.

    Every series by every author is in danger of not being finished…some more than others. Acknowledging that here doesn’t mean it’s okay to ask the question to him directly. Do you not agree?

  194. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Didn’t realize this was elementary school. Alright, I’ll play along. I know what you are but what am I?

  195. Mickey2093
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    hey – he brought all of this shit onto himself, with his promises of “next year” for dance, and with his endless bragging about going to this con or managing that event at the cocktoe. If he did like most other writers, and didn’t say a word about any of it – there wouldn’t be quite so much bitching.
    But he does brag about it, and does make a point of saying that he ONLY writes when the moon is full on the 15th of the month in odd numbered years, and then only for 15 minutes between his hour and a half long queso breaks.
    no – he’s not my bitch – but neither are HBO, David or Dan HIS bitches – there’s not going to be a movie to finish it, and it’s unlikely (ask HBO, David and Dan) that there will be an 8th season.
    If he’d spend more time even THINKING about ASOIAF instead of trying to get reprieves for his lackadaisical writing speed, hoping to delay the inevitable (as of at least a year ago) finishing of the story on HBO, then he might have had a chance of at least getting Winds done before they start filming season 5…

  196. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Elessar,

    Did he ever write a book series such as ASOIAF? Was he ever as successful as he’s now? The answer to both questions, correct me if I’m wrong, is no. Writing is his job and maybe writing a big book series is too much for him, considering his work ethics. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, not everyone can be Tolkien, or Steven King or even Steven Eriksson.

    All of this is not directly connected to the rude people guessing about his health and death, but he could avoid all of this by simply doing his job.

  197. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    2awesome4apossum,

    Fair enough. I was not entirely aware of how authors are paid (I figured it was similar to how actors and script writers are paid, only with lower amounts). As for GRRM overreacting, perhaps, but if I had to put up with the same questions over and over, I would snap the same as George did. Actually, stuff like this is why I don’t want fame and fortune.

  198. Mickey2093
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    And I can tell you that after coming out and telling fans who are honestly concerned to fuck off – I’ll not spend another dime on his books. I’ll wait until someone uploads them to a peer-to-peer site, download them, and read them for free.

    yeah – I’m not HIS bitch, either.

  199. The Bastard
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    There is an unwritten rule between author and reader. And that unwritten rule is that the author will finish the series in a reasonable time for the readers who have invested both time and money into the series.

    GRRM has basically spat in the face of his loyal readers at this point.

    Does he legally owe any of the book readers anything? Nope. Still is not a good way to treat his fans.

  200. vosh
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Elessar:
    vosh,

    I see little evidence of this. Most of the fans I’ve interacted with it long ago resigned themselves to the idea of ASOIAF never being finished or someone else being called in to do so. It has nothing to do with pretending and everything to do with acknowledging reality.

    Yes, and then we get bashed for acknowledging that reality, even when we say nothing about GRRM’s health, just as happened to this interviewer.

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    vosh,

    Every series by every author is in danger of not being finished…some more than others.Acknowledging that here doesn’t mean it’s okay to ask the question to him directly. Do you not agree?

    So long as his health isn’t brought up, I see nothing wrong with the question, especially since GRRM has said with no hesitation that he will never let anyone else finish the books and all notes will be burned upon his death.

  201. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky,

    Tolkien was a full-time professor who wrote on the side (which explains why his books read like textbooks). Stephen King’s been running on fumes for over a decade. Erikson I’ll grant you, but he planned his whole project out more than ten years ago AND he had Ian Cameron Esselmont to help him out. Few writers have access to such resources or abilities.

    Your larger point is rubbish. Writing is difficult if you’re doing a standalone, a series, or for TV (and FYI, his other tv work included both the twilight zone and beauty and the beast). Different people write in different ways. This is not a one-size-fits-all business. Some great writers take years if not a decade to write a book. Robert Caro springs to mind, and he at least has factual records at his disposal, as opposed to making something out of whole cloth.

  202. The Bastard
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Average male life expectancy in the United States is 76 years old.

    GRRM is turning 66 in a few months. If you figure his last two books will take as long as books 4&5, then he will be around, GRRM will be 73 when ASOIAF is finished.

    Combined that with him being on average fatter then the rest of the population, and it is easy to see why the speculation is rampant.

    He isn’t going to finish those books. That is not coming from a hater, but a realist.

  203. Cumsprite
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    “I work at home, when I have a nice, big uninterrupted block of time in which I can really lose myself in my work. And it’s worked for me for my entire adult life.”

    Until now, that is. Though it is possible, I suppose, that Martin couldn’t care less about finishing the ASOIAF saga and it’s working out GREAT from his perspective. But that’s just crazy talk.

  204. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    So long as his health isn’t brought up, I see nothing wrong with the question

    Even though the question is based on discussions regarding his age and health from articles, sites and comments that are about his health (one doesn’t have to look far on this site to see the health thing discussed). The interviewer wasn’t fooling anyone…it is strongly implied. GRRM’s totally aware of what’s being said and the way the interviewer phrased it does not excuse the question IMHO. Apparently it does in yours.

  205. Elessar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    vosh,

    True, but how would you feel if you were in his position, having strangers ask you all the bloody time if you were going to live to complete your work? If it were me, I would have said much worse things. Plus, health is implicit in all of this, even if the reporter was too polite to bring it up. I doubt other authors under the age of 70 get these kinds of questions.

  206. The Bastard
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Even if the interviewer straight up referred to his health, I still fail to see how it is a bad question.

    Would people be mad if he was an alcoholic and the interviewer asked him the same question? just because he is addicted to food and not alcohol does not make the question any less important.

    Many fans assume the series will not be finished even before this interview.

  207. Arya Dunyett
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry but not surprised to see GRRM’s reaction to that absurd question.

    Success has a price, and he’s paying it. How many other writers would give their firstborn child for the success of his book series and the phenomenal popularity of the “impossible to film” TV series? Martin has managed to retain his life style and enjoy the fruits of his success, but his fans demand something in return for their devotion. They demand his servitude.

    His very success has limited his productivity.

    I am content to wait for his incomparable imagination to emit the convoluted saga in all its bits pieces and threads. I don’t want him to hurry. My concern is only that I’ll be sentient enough to enjoy the end.

    But should I run into him somewhere, I might say to him, “Don’t get mad. Get writing!!”

  208. zerowolf
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    By July 2017 the TV show will be in the can. Finished. I cannot possibly envisage the final book appearing before the end of 2019.We’ll all know how the saga ends even in a somewhat abridged form. This will surely hit the sales of the final book as it will deter the casual reader. By that time we will all be gone from this site as we will all be watching the next big thing. That’s the way we are.
    On this basis, nagging GRRM to finish the books is pointless – they no longer have a direct bearing on the show. Best just leave him alone and let him live his life the way he wishes and not the way we would have it.
    PS. If someone who didn’t know me told me that they were worried I was going to die soon guess what I’d say…

  209. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Elessar:
    Alex Dubrovsky,

    Tolkien was a full-time professor who wrote on the side (which explains why his books read like textbooks). Stephen King’s been running on fumes for over a decade. Erikson I’ll grant you, but he planned his whole project out more than ten years ago AND he had Ian Cameron Esselmont to help him out. Few writers have access to such resources or abilities.

    Your larger point is rubbish. Writing is difficult if you’re doing a standalone, a series, or for TV (and FYI, his other tv work included both the twilight zone and beauty and the beast). Different people write in different ways. This is not a one-size-fits-all business. Some great writers take years if not a decade to write a book. Robert Caro springs to mind, and he at least has factual records at his disposal, as opposed to making something out of whole cloth.

    Tolkien’s work reads nothing like a textbook (you might only make that case about the Silmarillion, which his son published, and which reads more like a mythological corpus than a textbook). If you’re going to make a point, insulting Tolkien might not be the best way to do it, IMHO. Though I expect you didn’t mean to insult, necessarily, since your name is Elessar!

  210. Cumsprite
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Hmm. The site ate my last post. Long one. Shame. Here’s the Cliff’s Notes:

    Fuck you, too, Martin.

  211. Chriss
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Dwayne Roberts:
    For a man who has written so many gruesome deaths and even disease and illness I find it funny he is offended by people speculating his death …

    Sure most people speculate his death only because they worry if they will get to read the entire series or not but honestly I’m sure there are people who also speculate his death in wonder of whether it will be peaceful or as haunting as the many deaths in the books … It’s a touchy subject but it has it’s fascination too …

    Put it this way if I were to say I wonder if Sean bean will be shot by an arrow or decapitated or experience any violent death it’s not because I mean it to happen but because I’m just so used to it happening in every movie he does …so it’s more of a curious yet harsh kinda joke …but that’s what it is …a joke

    Maybe the reason you’re having trouble understanding why he’d find it offensive is because you are somehow unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality. George isn’t some written character, he’s a real man with real feelings.

  212. Rygar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Why am I being deleted?

  213. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Apparently the interview transcript has been edited to read:

    “I say F**K YOU to Sentar.”

    Interesting.

  214. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    R’hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand,

    Everything in this thread is opinion- no prob. I bought all the HP books as an adult and enjoyed them – just don’t think they hold a candle to any of the ASOIAF books.. Also, thought the HP wrap up was pretty poorly written and seemed rushed. My opinion only as well. :-\

  215. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    just because he is addicted to food and not alcohol does not make the question any less important

    What are you talking about? Just because he’s overweight doesn’t mean he’s addicted to food! There are a million reasons why people become overweight and food is only just one of them–age, medications, lack of exercise, genetics, thyroid problems, cancer, fibromyalgia, certain organs malfunctioning, etc, etc, etc and any combination thereof along with food play a role in someone’s weight. You pulling theories out of your butt does not constitute fact or logic. It only means that you’re purposely trying to trying to be provocative and ugly. So tired of the trolling–it’s ruining this site.

  216. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Momma always said I was special.

  217. Eddard Stark II
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Well that makes me happier.

  218. King Stannis
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    I thought I got rid of the whiners on this site but they keep coming back. King Stannis The Troll and Whine Slayer will say this on a positive note.

    GRRM seems to be very comfertable with his pacing, meaning he actually believes he will get it done before the TV catches up. I know the last book for him should be easy and fast to write. He’s been knowing the end parts for years. So I guess for now i trust him.

    I don’t mind he tells those that bring up his health to fuck off. He is still human last i checked so he has every right to express his annoyance.

    However…. George should know this is a partnership and we basically invested in him to get where he is at in his career. I don’t want my pizza to be delivered half ass with missing ingredients. We deserve to have it finished. I want my crack George. I’m at the point that I’m considering on breaking in into his house just to peek what he has down on his notes and computer hehe.

    WOW coming summer of 2015

  219. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Gator5000e,

    Did anyone answer your question? As I recall, release date was announced around 5 months in advance.

  220. King Stannis
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Why am I being deleted?

    Because of your concern of George’s penis size.

  221. The Bastard
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    The Bastard,

    What are you talking about?Just because he’s overweight doesn’t mean he’s addicted to food!There are a million reasons why people become overweight and food is only just one of them–age, medications, lack of exercise, genetics, thyroid problems, cancer, fibromyalgia, certain organs malfunctioning, etc, etc, etc and any combination thereof along with food play a role in someone’s weight. You pulling theories out of your butt does not constitute fact or logic.It only means that you’re purposely trying to trying to be provocative and ugly.So tired of the trolling–it’s ruining this site.

    How am I trolling? And saying he is addicted to eating was the most basic thing I could say. The things you list would decrease is potential lifespan even more.

    You can try and call it what you want, but the fact is that he is both a senior citizen and obese. And he has over 25% of the story left to publish. A story he admits to slowing down on and one that he says he can only write in one place. A place he just happens to never be near.

    The story is not going to be finished unless he has finished a lot more of it then he has let on. Something tells me that won’t happen.

    Sad that he is going to let a television show tell his life’s work before he does.

  222. 2awesome4apossum
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    All this argument comes down to is two sides saying the exact same thing. Fans think they’re entitled to the books on a specific timeframe, GRRM thinks he’s entitled to never be asked questions about the timeframe of the books.

    That said, it’s still disappointing when the author chooses to act like a random internet troll, instead of the adult in the conversation. Both sides have valid concerns, both sides are acting like children.

    If he didn’t want to be asked questions, he shouldn’t put himself in a position to be asked them. I don’t care if it’s in his contract, he’s the one who signed. It’s not as if it’s an especially difficult question to answer. He could give specifics, he could keep it vague. But profaning a concerned fan base seems like the act of someone whose cognitive process isn’t functioning the way it should.

  223. R'hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    I noticed a lot of people forget that most stuff on here is opinion, so sorry for that. I agree the ending didn’t satisfy me either. I think it’s extremely hard to wrap up a series in a satisfactory way. Most book series and TV series that I’ve watched and read have weak endings; except for maybe a handful.

  224. Patchy Face
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    R’hllorShouldResurrectJamiesHand,

    Which is exactly why we should cut GRRM some slack and let him have time to write an awesome conclusion!

  225. Dorian
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Mariya Martell: I was writing a large comment on this matter, but I don’t want to. Not here, this is not the place for it. I’ll just say this, it amazes me the naïvety of some people. How the recent past can be so easily forgotten and the obvious threat glorified and paraded as the saviour against the big, bad Western monsters.

    Its pretty amusing that you actually believe Putin is the “obvious threat”. Last I checked it wasn’t Putin who invaded Iraq on false pretenses and destroyed the place, killing hundreds of thousands, nor was it he who turned Libya into a failed state, and generally Russia, unlike America, doesn’t openly muse about which countries its going to bomb next.

    “Hey, do you think we should kill Steve? (bomb Syria)”

    “Well, it would send a message to Bob. (Iran).”

    “Thanks for your thoughts Tucker, more political commentary after these messages.”

    What’d Russia do? Annex Crimea, a region that has been Russian since Catherine the Great, and which was moved to Ukraine as part of an administrative reshuffle by the fiat of a communist dictator? An annexation that resulted in no appreciable violence whatsoever and was greeted by its population?

    A lot of people really do have no idea what the actions of ‘the West’ actually look like compared to the boogeyman-of-the-day.

  226. Rygar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    King Stannis: Because of your concern of George’s penis size.

    Not my concern. My muse.

  227. Rygar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    2awesome4apossum:
    All this argument comes down to is two sides saying the exact same thing.Fans think they’re entitled to the books on a specific timeframe, GRRM thinks he’s entitled to never be asked questions about the timeframe of the books.

    That said, it’s still disappointing when the author chooses to act like a random internet troll, instead of the adult in the conversation.Both sides have valid concerns, both sides are acting like children.

    If he didn’t want to be asked questions, he shouldn’t put himself in a position to be asked them.I don’t care if it’s in his contract, he’s the one who signed.It’s not as if it’s an especially difficult question to answer.He could give specifics, he could keep it vague.But profaning a concerned fan base seems like the act of someone whose cognitive process isn’t functioning the way it should.

    Testify preacher. Tell it like it is. But add a penis here or there.

  228. The Bastard
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    2awesome4apossum:
    All this argument comes down to is two sides saying the exact same thing.Fans think they’re entitled to the books on a specific timeframe, GRRM thinks he’s entitled to never be asked questions about the timeframe of the books.

    That said, it’s still disappointing when the author chooses to act like a random internet troll, instead of the adult in the conversation.Both sides have valid concerns, both sides are acting like children.

    If he didn’t want to be asked questions, he shouldn’t put himself in a position to be asked them.I don’t care if it’s in his contract, he’s the one who signed.It’s not as if it’s an especially difficult question to answer.He could give specifics, he could keep it vague.But profaning a concerned fan base seems like the act of someone whose cognitive process isn’t functioning the way it should.

    There is a third side.

    People who like the TV show more and are happy he will not be finishing the books first. I fall into that category.

    I just find his delusions sad and his fanbase who defends him even sadder.

    Look at his recent comments.

    - Thinks the TV show can take a break.
    - Thinks books 4&5 will take 3 seasons.
    - Gives the middle finger to his fans.

    He is not doing good mentally.

  229. Uncle Ben Plumm"
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    we’re all forgetting one thing………when it comes down to Crunch Time, George R.R. Martin is straight up Nestle.

  230. John W
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Yes….because of course, HIS care for me, personally, as a reader, is SO much MORE personally felt than my care for him. Get over yourself and get off your high horse.

  231. Uncle Ben Plumm"
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    John W,

    Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Ask your father or any other relative when they are going to die so you can have their car. See how they react.

  232. The Bastard
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Uncle Ben Plumm”:
    John W,

    Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Ask your father or any other relative when they are going to die so you can have their car. See how they react.

    Bad analogy.

    A better one is:

    FATHER: “Son, I have a secret to tell you, but you need to wait a long time before you get the answer.”

    Many years pass….

    SON: “So dad, you are getting up there in age. Will you finally tell me?”
    FATHER: “F You! You think I’m going to die, do you?”

    That is a better example.

  233. King Stannis
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Dorian: Its pretty amusing that you actually believe Putin is the “obvious threat”. Last I checked it wasn’t Putin who invaded Iraq on false pretenses and destroyed the place, killing hundreds of thousands, nor was it he who turned Libya into a failed state, and generally Russia, unlike America, doesn’t openly muse about which countries its going to bomb next.

    “Hey, do you think we should kill Steve? (bomb Syria)”

    “Well, it would send a message to Bob. (Iran).”

    “Thanks for your thoughts Tucker, more political commentary after these messages.”

    What’d Russia do? Annex Crimea, a region that has been Russian since Catherine the Great, and which was moved to Ukraine as part of an administrative reshuffle by the fiat of a communist dictator? An annexation that resulted in no appreciable violence whatsoever and was greeted by its population?

    A lot of people really do have no idea what the actions of ‘the West’ actually look like compared to the boogeyman-of-the-day.

    You don’t know shit. Typical lets blame America for everything mentality with no actual proof.

  234. Dorian
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    King Stannis: You don’t know shit. Typical lets blame America for everything mentality with no actual proof.

    So someone else is to blame for America invading Iraq? Fascinating. Tell me more about this “actual proof” that I’m lacking?

  235. Lex
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Man, I’ve been laughing all day about this. The “fuck you” and the finger was so funny. It’s already a gif, and I love it. I can’t believe it took George this long to say it, lol!

    As I’ve said before, I saw a fan ask him the death question in Seattle. His answer was hilarious, he got so pissed.

    Love you, George! You don’t owe us shit.

  236. Josh M. Parker
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Jenn,

    I’ll field that one. It’s his weight.

    Many have bought into the completely mythical idea that excess weight AUTOMATICALLY means a shorter lifespan and poorer health. Martin has said repeatedly that his doctors have given him a clean bill of health, and I can personally attest that extra weight does not AUTOMATICALLY mean health problems.

    I am not sure what to think about how long GRRM takes to write these books, and I have to agree with the sentiment that he seems to be avoiding that big uninterrupted block of time at home in which to write as often as he can, but I’m in no worry that he’ll die first.

  237. 2awesome4apossum
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    That’s a fantastic analogy, and I can’t stop laughing. Also, it’s worth pointing out that we’re the hand that feeds GRRM. He hasn’t given me any money.

    If he doesn’t finish the story, everyone will get over it. You all know that the second the series ends, the internet will probably be full of the fan theories that everyone liked better than the *actual* ending anyway.

    For the record, I like your third option (and then there are people like me who would like an ending, but won’t be too bummed out if we don’t get one). Since it is looking extremely likely that HBO will see this series through, I do think that the debate will die the minute they announce the final season. Because then we will have an ending, and while there are a lot of people who would like to see the book series through, much of the frenzy will be over.

  238. Gust
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Openly speculating about someone’s death (particularly in terms of it’s inconvenience to you or others) to their face or where it might reach them is tactless and in poor taste.

    Nothing else needs to be said. Claiming that a right to be concerned about the fate of your favourite books (which is anyone’s right) automatically equals a right to be rude and deeply offensive to another human being without being so much as called out for it is just ludicrous.

  239. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Dorian: Its pretty amusing that you actually believe Putin is the “obvious threat”. Last I checked it wasn’t Putin who invaded Iraq on false pretenses and destroyed the place, killing hundreds of thousands, nor was it he who turned Libya into a failed state, and generally Russia, unlike America, doesn’t openly muse about which countries its going to bomb next.

    “Hey, do you think we should kill Steve? (bomb Syria)”

    “Well, it would send a message to Bob. (Iran).”

    “Thanks for your thoughts Tucker, more political commentary after these messages.”

    What’d Russia do? Annex Crimea, a region that has been Russian since Catherine the Great, and which was moved to Ukraine as part of an administrative reshuffle by the fiat of a communist dictator? An annexation that resulted in no appreciable violence whatsoever and was greeted by its population?

    A lot of people really do have no idea what the actions of ‘the West’ actually look like compared to the boogeyman-of-the-day.

    You have a fundamental inability, it seems, to recognize the difference between temporary occupation and the seizure of another nation’s territory. I also deplored the decision to go to war in Iraq, and continue to believe that it was one of the biggest U.S. blunders in history – worse than Vietnam, particularly as it has emboldened destabilizing Shia and Sunni non-state actors and terrorist networks. However, the United States is not annexing Iraq, and will never do so.

    And I cannot believe that those who shout “Crimea is historically a part of Russia!” and “Crimeans were all clamoring for Russian annexation!” do not recognize the historical company they are keeping. This idea of a “Great Russia,” which means a greater Russia that includes ethnic Russians living outside Russia, is exactly the same kind of mythology that Hitler used in justifying his invasions of Poland and Czechoslovakia. The seizure of another country’s territory has extraordinarily harsh implications (particularly, in this case, for non-ethnic Russian Crimeans, like the Tatars), and to dismiss it as some sort of Russian manifest destony is not only stupid, it borders on the criminal.

    I hate to be this person, but please, if you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, please…just…listen, or something, instead of wittingly or unwittingly spouting off propaganda that originates in the Kremlin and RT.

    I have interacted with Russian policy-makers who laugh out loud at how naive people in “the West” can be about giving Russia a pass. The truth is, and I have heard this over and over first-hand, that there is a powerful element of the Russian political class that both believes in a Greater Russia, and believes in actively de-stabilizing the border regions of neighboring states that were once part of the USSR. Their intelligence services employ a whole range of guerilla tactics for this purpose, as a means of creating the conditions for intervention.

    Sorry for the rant, but this cuts to the bone. I know people rotting in jail in both Moscow and Siberia for simply criticizing the Putin regime, and to hear fools on this site apologize for this regime is just too much.

    Bowing out.

  240. Sentar
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos,

    Sorry for the rant, but this cuts to the bone. I know people rotting in jail in Guantanamo Bay for simply criticizing the American regime, and to hear fools on this site apologize for this regime is just too much.

  241. Dorian
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos: You have a fundamental inability, it seems, to recognize the difference between temporary occupation and the seizure of another nation’s territory. I also deplored the decision to go to war in Iraq, and continue to believe that it was one of the biggest U.S. blunders in history – worse than Vietnam, particularly as it has emboldened destabilizing Shia and Sunni non-state actors and terrorist networks. However, the United States is not annexing Iraq, and will never do so.

    The difference is utterly immaterial to my point. Why should I care about an abstract concept like the seizure of Ukraine’s territory, especially in circumstances where that territory was only part of Ukraine because of the fiat of a communist dictator 50 year ago, back when the Soviet Union still existed and the difference was compeltely academic?

    America’s “temporary occupation” *destroyed* Iraq and resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and the misery of millions more. Russia annexing Crimea has resulted in absolutely none of that. It is crystal clear which is more morally reprehensible.

    And I cannot believe that those who shout “Crimea is historically a part of Russia!” and “Crimeans were all clamoring for Russian annexation!” do not recognize the historical company they are keeping. This idea of a “Great Russia,” which means a greater Russia that includes ethnic Russians living outside Russia, is exactly the same kind of mythology that Hitler used in justifying his invasions of Poland and Czechoslovakia. The seizure of another country’s territory has extraordinarily harsh implications (particularly, in this case, for non-ethnic Russian Crimeans, like the Tatars), and to dismiss it as some sort of Russian manifest destony is not only stupid, it borders on the criminal.

    Oh please, do you think I’m at all unaware of the ridiculous Hitler-baiting employed to scare people? Putin’s actions in Crimea were rooted in realism, not “Great Russia” fanaticism. Crimea is strategically important to Russian interests and they acted to secure them. Nothing more. Putin is no Hitler.

    Was it unjustified? Yes. It is a landgrab, after all.

    Was it a particularly great crime? No. It wasn’t. For the reasons already stated. And spare me the crocodile-tears about the Crimean Tatars – they’re an ethnic minority who were utterly ignored by Ukraine for its 23 years of independence. In no universe would their wishes ever be allowed to legitimately decide the fate of a region’s people.

    I hate to be this person, but please, if you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, please…just…listen, or something, instead of wittingly or unwittingly spouting off propaganda that originates in the Kremlin and RT.

    Everything I’ve stated thus far is simply a fact. That it is convenient for the Russian government and its propaganda arm to state said facts is immaterial.

    I have interacted with Russian policy-makers who laugh out loud at how naive people in “the West” can be about giving Russia a pass. The truth is, and I have heard this over and over first-hand, that there is a powerful element of the Russian political class that both believes in a Greater Russia, and believes in actively de-stabilizing the border regions of neighboring states that were once part of the USSR. Their intelligence services employ a whole range of guerilla tactics for this purpose, as a means of creating the conditions for intervention.

    Sorry for the rant, but this cuts to the bone. I know people rotting in jail in both Moscow and Siberia for simply criticizing the Putin regime, and to hear fools on this site apologize for this regime is just too much.

    Bowing out.

    That’s all totally unprovable and irrelevant for the purposes of the discussion. You can complain about the unsavory nature of the Russian government all you like, it doesn’t change the facts on the ground, and I’m simply sick and tired of hypocrisy.

  242. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    That should read “Greater Russia,” not “Great Russia.”

  243. bristol
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II: Its pretty pathetic if you lose respect for him just because he is writng slowly. After giving us five great books and amazing characters you throw a hissy fit because how long it’s taking him to write the rest, that’s really childish.

    *3 great books* You guys really overrate AFFC and ADWD. Those books had no structure, no pacing, and had way too many cliffhangers to be called finished books.

  244. Scott Glennon
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

    George, you rock man! XD

    The North Remembers…

  245. Randy T of Hornhill
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    better analogy:
    Father, “I’ve been restoring this 74 mustang for years now. She’s my pride and joy. Sometimes when your mother and I have our special date nights I sneak off into the garage and sit in the passenger seat”

    Son, “I’d love to drive it just one time when you finish”

    Father, “no fuckin chance kid”

    Son, “aww I shouldn’t have said that I’m sorry”

    Father, “you’ll never drive it just once……..when she’s finished, she’s yours to drive forever”

    A single tear drops down from son’s left eye.

    16 years later…………

    Son, “hey pops I’ve noticed you’ve been spending a lot of time at Comic Con. How’s my ‘stang comin?”

    Father, “its comin…the same way I’ve been telling you every god damn day for the last sixteen years. You can’t rush greatness. Its a process”

    Son, “but I don’t understand the conceptual aspects of the ‘process’ and I feel like if I badger you it will motivate you. Im just trying to help thats all…”

    Father pulls his head out from under the hood. His face is covered in black smudges and sweat. He goes over to the fridge and cracks open a coors light. After the second sip he crushes the empty can and tosses it into the trash can. Bank shot across the garage.

    Father, “its not helping. you’re going to have to learn patience as well”

    Son, “but how much longer do I have to be patient? You’re 65 and not getting any younger…what…w-w-what if you don’t finish?”

    Father’s back was turned to son. He stood there for a moment then slowly turned his head to face son.

    Father, “you saying I’m going to die before I finish?” he raised an eyebrow. Son was always afraid of that look.

    Son, “…….no, no…I just mean you may not be alive to finish it”

    What happened next completely shocked son…..he did not understand what was happening.

    Son,”did that just happen? You can’t make the MIDDLE FINGER at me I’m your son!”

    Father proceeded to make his way out of the garage pretending to make it rain dollar bills at the club as he left.

    47 years later……….

    The funeral service was packed. The walkways were lined with heads desperately looking to see if anyone got up to use the restroom so they could steal their seat. “We gather here to celebrate life. The life of a man. The life…of son”, the pastor said. “he was a good boy who always ate his veg-” the pastor was interrupted by a thunderous sound. Everyone turned to look out through the stained glass windows. A speed bike from the future roared into the parking lot. The rider stepped off the future bike and removed his helmet. Father made his way through the heavy crowd and up to the alter to pay his respects. He looked over the casket and gave son the finger. D&D can fill in the rest.

    I think this is a more accurate/concise analogy Bastard (commenter). Let me know if you have suggestions, I would be surprised but I’m open to a few slight changes.

  246. johnnytata
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    not sure if this has bee said, but eveey other comment warly on seems about worrying about him, but I find this disingenuous because you’re not worrying about his wellbeing for his sake, you’re worried about your own agenda which is the finish the books. you wouldn’t give two shits about a quirky fat man who wears funny hats except that he has something you want.

  247. The Last Frey
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Effing disappointed in how the majority of the comments reflects modern society. You know nothing, Internet.

  248. Randy T of Hornhill
    Posted July 9, 2014 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    I love how the photo above most discussed article used to be a snap shot of George giving the finger before the decision was made to take it down.

  249. House Mormont
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    Where did people get the idea that he’s contractually obligated to do all these interviews?

    Considering he doesn’t advertise his upcoming works in 90% of his interviews, he just states that its coming when asked, then it wouldn’t make sense for it to be in his contract with his publisher.

    And considering David and Dan, the faces of the show, do like two big EW interviews a year and that’s it, and the fact that GRRM usually says the books and the show are completely different and desperate beasts in his interviews, it wouldn’t make sense for HBO to be making him.

    I used to really like his interviews, he’d give great answers on gender/sexuality equality and power and violence/sex and I really respected and idolised him. Over the past year he’s just grown gradually more immature and delusional, slating D&D at every chance, talking about Tolkien at every chance, refusing responsibility at every chance.

  250. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    He would lose my respect for having his story finished for him, not for writing slow. That alongside his “let’s make three seasons out of AFFC and ADWD” attitude is just sad IMO.

  251. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    Gust:
    Openly speculating about someone’s death (particularly in terms of it’s inconvenience to you or others) to their face or where it might reach them is tactless and in poor taste.

    Nothing else needs to be said. Claiming that a right to be concerned about the fate of your favourite books (which is anyone’s right) automatically equals a right to be rude and deeply offensive to another human being without being so much as called out for it is just ludicrous.

    True. Saying it to George is insensitive and mean.

  252. axia777
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Just please do not pull a Robert Jordan….. :( *cries*

    We love you GRRM, be well.

  253. Satyr
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    I might go and read the series if he or someone else ever finishes it. I just want HBO to finish it first.

    I don’t trust Martin to finish this series. I can understand book readers who are angry he hasn’t attempted to put more effort into finishing his work.

    The fact he keeps trying to push a movie and more season makes me think this is not going to end pretty for him.

    We all like ASOIF whether it’s the hbo adaption or the books. It has to come to an end though and Martin wants to keep it going on forever.

  254. Mikken's Work
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    ……………….the winds of mothafuckin win-terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Amazon prime / UP overnight lessss GO!

    *||M||*

  255. RamBam
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    Having read all the comments carefully the big and important Question that comes to mind is:

    Germany or Argentina???

  256. RadoLukacs
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Is there a video from this Q&A in Seattle (which year)? :D

  257. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    Mikken’s Work,

    Come come, we’ll give you a bowl of brown

  258. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    RamBam,

    D&D will win 7-1. It will be a sad match,

  259. ThomasS
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    No surprise here. Martin has an awful sense of PR, and so continues to create detractors out of fans with each passing year, not because he’s a (part time) writer who is taking years to complete a novel, but because of his arrogant, insensitive and disrespectful attitude. That he actually says “fuck you” to a portion of his readership demonstrates just how unprofessional he is.

    And this person has the gall to compare himself to Tolkien?

  260. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    All this people saying that he has an obligation to do whatever are just spoiled little kids…go fuck yourselves ;)

  261. Chickenduck
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:09 am | Permalink

    The show will give us the ending before GRRM does. That much is clear. I think GRRM took a long time to admit that to himself though. He might still be in denial about it.

    GRRM might change the ending after it’s been on TV though, I guess. Especially if fan reaction to the TV finale is anything less than stellar.

    Not really on-topic, but does anyone else suspect that the name of Rickon’s direwolf (Shaggydog) is an inside joke about the relevance (or lack thereof) of that storyline? As in a “Shaggy Dog Story”?

  262. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    He has about as much obligation to complete the books and give a shit about it as we have to respect him for the good author he is. If he chooses to slack off and see the books spoiled by the show and perhaps even as far as never finishing the books (for one reason or another) he’ll lose my respect and that of many fans.

    If GRRM truly doesn’t care about his fans’ respect (and he has every right in the world to not care) and tells us “fuck you”, well good for him. He can live in his own little world and do whatever he wants. He has enough money at this point to survive even if everyone in the world hates him.

  263. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Thank god for the show. It makes GRRM’s potentially not finishing the series not so bad since we’ll already have the ending and an abridged version of the journey. Of course it will be better to read the full version (and read it first) but if this is what we get I can live with it.

  264. Rezarh zo Hazdraqwsd
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    The sad thing is that after his death (yes, we all die, shocking, right?)he is gonna be remembered as an author who couldn’t and wouldn’t finish his utterly popular series and whose fans got their resolution through a TV show adaptation.

  265. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:34 am | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: You can’t reason with the sheep.

    A ver si crecemos un poco i dejamos de ver anime para julandrones ;)

  266. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Pau Soriano,

    He has about as much obligation to complete the books and give a shit about it as we have to respect him for the good author he is. If he chooses to slack off and see the books spoiled by the show and perhaps even as far as never finishing the books (for one reason or another) he’ll lose my respect and that of many fans.

    If GRRM truly doesn’t care about his fans’ respect (and he has every right in the world to not care) and tells us “fuck you”, well good for him. He can live in his own little world and do whatever he wants. He has enough money at this point to survive even if everyone in the world hates him.

    He has no fucking obligation to do anything, everyone lives his life as he wants…if he wants to commit suicide now he may as well do it and all the pathetic fans will cry because they can read the end of the story not because a man has died.

    Are you 68?? Do you know what will you do when you see thre end near?? would you like anyone else to tell you what to do with your final years in this world?? I say fuck you all and grow the fuck up

  267. Wilson Wilson
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    My worry is that I will die before the final book of ASOIAF is published, never mind GRRM’s health. Does this make me selfish?

  268. Summer
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: He has no fucking obligation to do anything, everyone lives his life as he wants…if he wants to commit suicide now he may as well do it and all the pathetic fans will cry because they can read the end of the story not because a man has died.

    Are you 68?? Do you know what will you do when you see thre end near?? would you like anyone else to tell you what to do with your final years in this world?? I say fuck you all and grow the fuck up

    Reading is an art. The guy says he has as much of an obligation to finish them as we have respecting him. And we are not obligated to do that either… Respect from us and him finishing the book are two sides of the same coin.

    Also, he’s 65.

  269. George Bell
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    It’s obvious that writing ASOIAF is not his top priority in life. Having followed his website and interviews over the years it’s clear that touring, side projects and hawking merchandise occupy much of his time. I’m guessing he never expected the series to get this big and does not feel an obligation to devote more time to it than he desires. It’s his right and our loss.

  270. Dame of Mercia
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    Wilson Wilson:
    My worry is that I will die before the final book of ASOIAF is published, never mind GRRM’s health. Does this make me selfish?

    You know – that could apply to me also – though getting my affairs in order generally would come higher in my “to do” list before I depart the planet before reading the end of the ASOIAF books, not that I wouldn’t like to do so. I don’t want to reiterate the “same old, same old” but stating the “same old”, I myself wonder if he has lost interest in the subject. I can understand he perhaps has to re-charge his batteries and to be fair, the projects he has going as sidelines, like putting his money back into the Jean Cocteau theatre for his local community and fundraising for the wolf sanctuary are worthwhile ones. I personally wouldn’t shed any tears if he gives writing any more Dunk and Egg books a miss at least until the main ASOIAF series is finished, though an author cannot control how “the muse” strikes him or her. I’m sure I mentioned these on another thread last year, but a couple of series that ended a lot shorter than they were originally planned to be were Geoffrey Chaucer’s “Canterbury Tales” and Emile Zola’s Rougon-Macquart novels, though in those each tale or novel was standalone. It wasn’t death that prevented either of those being finished – I think Chaucer just got fed up “Here endeth the “Tales of Canterbury” ” is how he finished them. Zola’s series was set under a particular regime in France which came to an end. I’ll keep my fingers crossed GRRM’s muse strikes him in an appropriate way that I can finish reading the books but will not stop watching the show.

    People visiting the site may already be aware of the matters I’ve posted about. I don’t want to appear all “schoolma’amy”.

  271. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Summer: Reading is an art.

    Really? Reading is an art? I thought writing was. So you think you’re as much as an artist as he is because you’re reading his books? Go figure..

    Summer:Respect from us and him finishing the book are two sides of the same coin.

    That’s the most absurd statement ever. Decent people will respect him regardless if he finishes or doesn’t finish the books. I don’t think he cares much for the respect of obnoxious little brats that want the instant gratification of reading his books when they think they deserve too.

  272. huge floppys
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    Jenn:
    He’s only 65, I don’t understand why people act like he’s going to drop dead any minute now.

    </blockquote

    He is only 65 but look at him..he isnt exactly a model for healthy living. i dont see any mini marathons in his future

  273. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    He can do what ever the fuck he wants but there are still consequences

    At the moment I still have a lot of respect for the man (even with some of his delusional comments). Talk to me in three years.

  274. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    I think his fandom who read the series for twenty years now deserve to see the ending in the books before the show. If he chooses not to deliver in time (which is his right, we agree on this) than I personally along with a number of fans will be hugely disappointed in him- which, hey, it’s our right!

    And if that happens all bets are off on whether or not he’ll even finish the series at all. With his last two entries being largely disappointing to the fans and him working on another one for years and years and the possibility (probability?) of an eighth book. Yes, it’s possible. It’s an asshole move to say it anywhere near him since discussing when someone will die is incredibly offensive (and to their face!). But it’s still possible.

    So no matter how good those books from the last millennia were, I find will find it hard to appreciate GRRM if he doesn’t manage to finish the series before the show (or at the very least, at all).

    You can tell me “fuck you” all you want, it’s your right just as much as it’s GRRM’s, and you can praise GRRM like he is Jesus Christ if you want, but in my honest opinion- unless he proved himself in the next couple of years with a good TWOW- the man has completely lost touch with his good writing skills and has become a delusional shell that might even never finish this story. So yeah, I won’t respect him anymore (I will respect him for what he was but not for the man/writer he’d become) and neither he not you won’t give a fig about it which is fine by me.

    But when the masses feel the same, then you have a problem. Again, I’ll see you in three years.

  275. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    My comment to Pau isn’t appearing

  276. Roland333
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    Actions have consequences for everyone except George, apparently the whole world is at his leisure. The amount of leeway he’s given by his fanboys is incredible. He could literally be slinging shit at his fans and they would be screaming that he isn’t our bitch.

  277. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    Roland333:
    jentario,

    Actions have consequences for everyone except George, apparently the whole world is at his leisure. The amount of leeway he’s given by his fanboys is incredible. He could literally be slinging shit at his fans and they would be screaming that he isn’t our bitch.

    It’s called growing up, being an adult and trying to behave decently. Give it a try, people close to you will appreciate it

  278. Summer
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: Really? Reading is an art? I thought writing was. So you think you’re as much as an artist as he is because you’re reading his books? Go figure..

    That’s the most absurd statement ever. Decent people will respect him regardless if he finishes or doesn’t finish the books. I don’t think he cares much for the respect ofobnoxious little brats that want the instant gratification of reading his books when they think they deserve too.

    What? Are you seriously that delusional? Apparently it is an art because you interpreted (what I meant by reading) his message wrong. And apparently mine too because you think I’m saying that I’m an artist by reading his books. I am not an artist by reading the books, the remark was cynical. Something you are not able to pick up it seems.

    Yep, now I am offensive. You started. I think decent people just finish their books for their fanbase. If he doesn’t, the general respect from fans will dissappear. The majority of people wil disrespect Mr. Martin if that is the case, and rightly so! It are two sides of the same coin, maybe not for you, fine. I hope you and GRRM would become best friends because GRRM is going to need it (if he won’t finish the books, which he probably will).

  279. Abyss
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Rezarh zo Hazdraqwsd,

    I highly doubt that an author, who has won six Hugos alone as of yet will be remembered for that of all things…

  280. Yarya
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    And to everyone who keeps saying how it’s extremely “rude” and “offensive” to ask him about that…so what? I think you’re getting the role of the press confused. They are *supposed* to ask questions that people want answers to, even if it’s rude and uncomfortable. Imagine if the media didn’t ask difficult, uncomfortable questions to politicians out of the fear of offending them. No, their job is to get information and disseminate it.

    I find the moral judgments also pretty ridiculous and hypocritical. Somehow all the people who care about these books more than the age of death of rich guy they’ve never met are morally suspect?? Do you care about ALL the strangers dying in the world? Or maybe just the ones that have sold you something?

    Speculating about the books while war wages on throughout the world is O.K. Speculating about the books while migrant laborers die building World Cup stadiums is O.K. Speculating about the books while curable disease runs rampant in third world countries is O.K. Speculating about the books while the author has to think about his own death is just UNACCEPTABLE though, and shows a lack of compassion for human life. LOL, get some perspective and don’t chastise others for not being ultra-sensitive to a 65-year-old celebrity who might not want to discuss his own mortality.

  281. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Summer: What? Are you seriously that delusional? Apparently it is an art because you interpreted (what I meant by reading) his message wrong. And apparently mine too because you think I’m saying that I’m an artist by reading his books. I am not an artist by reading the books, the remark was cynical. Something you are not able to pick up it seems.

    Yep, now I am offensive. You started. I think decent people just finish their books for their fanbase. If he doesn’t, the general respect from fans will dissappear. The majority of people wil disrespect Mr. Martin if that is the case, and rightly so! It are two sides of the same coin, maybe not for you, fine. I hope you and GRRM would become best friends because GRRM is going to need it (if he won’t finish the books, which he probably will).

    First, I still have no idea what you meant by reading is an art and that you were being cynical. Maybe I’m not able to pick it up, or maybe you’re just not explaining yourself very well. English is not my mother tongue but I’m 100% certain is not yours, either, so back off.

    And what is all this talk about fanboys, fans, fanbase? What world are you guys living in, the Justin Biber/Hanna Montana world?

    He’s an author. He writes books. We read them. Some of us are grateful and thank him for that. Until he moves to something else and stops writing or I stop reading for whatever reason. There’s nothing more to it. He has no obligation to anyone other than himself and the people close to him. Certainnly not to you, and certainly not to write a fucking book. If her wife gets sick, or a friend needs help or whatever, there’s real obligations. Writing a book for demanding little kids? “waaaaaahhhh waaaaahhh, boooohoooooo, I want my boooook” Really?? I pity you guys, go live your lives and find something really worth getting upset for

  282. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Daniellica:
    On the flip side, I also assume much of his touring is work–conventions, press junkets, book tours are all worked into contracts for both TV and publishing.

    Many of those appearances are obligations. So, I guess one could make the argument that he HAS to go to them. Another thing he is obligated to do is, well, write. Since ADWD came out, Martin has had no trouble missing deadlines for his side projects or having some collaborative efforts proceed without him because he couldn’t be arsed to do his share. Yet he can’t back out of a Con or appearance? He treats writing as a hobby and junkets as his profession. When he gets called out on it, he gets pissy.

    The interviewer flubbed the question, but at least they didn’t ask who Martin’s favorite character is.

    Time and again, Martin has shown absolute disdain for the fans who elevated him to celebrity status. Here’s a goodie:

    At the 2012 WorldCon in Chicago, among the crush of hordes of ASOIAF fans, a fellow author asked Martin how he got any work done. Martin’s response: this is why the books take so long to come out.

    It’s the fan’s fault, see?

  283. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Yarya:
    And to everyone who keeps saying how it’s extremely “rude” and “offensive” to ask him about that…so what?I think you’re getting the role of the press confused.They are *supposed* to ask questions that people want answers to, even if it’s rude and uncomfortable.Imagine if the media didn’t ask difficult, uncomfortable questions to politicians out of the fear of offending them.No, their job is to get information and disseminate it.

    The difference is that the politicians have the moral obligation to answer to us, but an author has not.

  284. Turncloak
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Loved this. People need to fuck off and leave the man in peace. GRRM is not your bitch

  285. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Cumsprite: Another thing he is obligated to do is, well, write.

    No, he’s not.

    Cumsprite:. Since ADWD came out, Martin has had no trouble missing deadlines for his side projects or having some collaborative efforts proceed without him because he couldn’t be arsed to do his share. Yet he can’t back out of a Con or appearance? He treats writing as a hobby and junkets as his profession.

    Who the fuck are you to judge how he lives his life? His fuckin wife?? “Oh Mr Bukovski stop drinking, your latest book is late!”
    Does he come to your work and tell you how to do it? Or berate you becaue you watch too much porn at work? “oh but I bought his book, he owes me the next one! I want it!! I want it now!!!”

  286. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Loved this. People need to fuck off and leave the man in peace. GRRM is not your bitch

    Word

  287. Summer
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: First, I still have no idea what you meant by reading is an art and that you were being cynical. Maybe I’m not able to pick it up, or maybe you’re just not explaining yourself very well. English is not my mother tongue but I’m 100% certain is not yours, either, so back off.

    And what is all this talk about fanboys, fans, fanbase? What world are you guys living in, the Justin Biber/Hanna Montana world?

    He’s an author. He writes books. We read them. Some of us are grateful and thank him for that. Until he moves to something else and stops writing or I stop reading for whatever reason. There’s nothing more to it. He has no obligation to anyone other than himself and the people close to him. Certainnly not to you, and certainly not to write a fucking book. If her wife gets sick, or a friend needs help or whatever, there’s real obligations. Writing a book for demanding little kids?“waaaaaahhhh waaaaahhh, boooohoooooo, I want my boooook” Really?? I pity you guys, go live your lives and find something really worth getting upset for

    Alright, maybe I should’ve said reading is a skill instead of literally translating an expression from my own language into English. Although I’m sure I’ve read the expression in English before, never mind then.

    Also, are you not a fan of his books? I certainly am. A fan of GRRM himself? Well maybe, although I don’t think he’s a professional guy by saying FU to a part of his fanbase. By stopping writing his books he essentially says FU to all of his fans as well, albeit probably in a more nicer manner. I like my book series finished. If he would never finish the next books because he just wants to go retiring or something (if he quits by dying, then poor Mr. Martin, but that’s not his fault) then I’m losing my respect.

    He isn’t obligated to do anything. Just let him write nice and slow and go on his trips every two weeks if he wants to. But we aren’t obligated to still respect the man if he quits writing.

    Well, you know, I don’t really know why we’re even discussing this, because unless severe circumstances get the better of GRRM, we will get the books. So what we’re discussing is mostly hypothetical nonsense.

    Turncloak:
    Loved this. People need to fuck off and leave the man in peace. GRRM is not your bitch

    I love Neil Gaiman. Have you read The Ocean at the End of the Lane?
    The majority of people who differ in their opinion from you are never saying nor implying that he is our bitch.

  288. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Nobody says he’s our bitch, we’re just saying that if he’d rather spend most of his “working hours” touring and not actually doing his job which is writing the book and if this process means we’ll see the end in the show first (and we will!) he loses some of our respect. And if he goes as far as not finishing the books and with his books already dipping in quality… He loses most of our respect. Why? Because he’d rather be a celebrity than finish the books

    Now I don’t think that will happen, but the show almost definitely is finishing first. So my respect for GRRM will inevitably dip in a couple of years (unless TWOW is amazing, and that may not be the case if ADWD/AFFC are anything to go by).

    If he wants to lose our respect- as you say- that’s his choice and he has every right to do it. On the flip side, he could spend less time on side projects and on tours and more on ASOIAF and finish in a reasonable pace (like he did with the first three books), gain complete fan respect, finish his legacy and do so before the show. It’s his choice, he has every right to delay the books indefinitely (which is what he’s doing at the moment).

  289. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: No, he’s not.

    Who the fuck are you to judge how he lives his life? His fuckin wife?? “Oh Mr Bukovski stop drinking, your latest book is late!”
    Does he come to your work and tell you how to do it? Or berate you becaue you watch too much porn at work? “oh but I bought his book, he owes me the next one! I want it!! I want it now!!!”

    He’s not obligated to write? Apparently you didn’t read the Suvudu interview with Anne Groell. He is under contract to write. And, when you tell your colleagues that you are going to contribute to a collaborative project, you should appreciate that their livelihoods depend on you holding up your end and any delay or cancellation hits them in their substantially smaller bank accounts then you should have the grace to make an effort and give writing (your JOB) a priority.

    If GM contributed to my livelihood (as I do his) he would be well within his rights to criticize my job performance.

    And, I don’t want the book now. I honestly don’t care when the next book comes out.

  290. Jacob_M
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Randy T of Hornhill,

    I’ve been smiling while reading this thread but your post was the first one to make me laugh out loud. I’m can’t for the life of me understand what your point was and that’s part of what made it so wonderful. First I thought that you were on one side of the debate, but now I’m not so sure. Were you going for the surreal and absurd? Regarding the first part of the story I wanted to ask if the son paid for the parts and work that the dad put in (better, but not good analogy), but then you ended with the whole “47 years later” bit and I’m just lost. How in the [deity of choice] is that analogous to GRRM and his interaction with his fans/interviews?

    Also, your use of the word “concise” in comparing your analogy to the one “The Bastard” made when your analogy was at least five times longer is wonderfully surreal.

    I was hospitalised when AFFC came out in 2005 and I asked my dad to pick up my pre-ordered copy and it certainly helped me pass time and distract from my illness. Since the second volume, I had re-read previous books in the series before each release. When Dance came out, I was still excited, but not passionate enough to do a re-read. The result was that I couldn’t remember a lot of the (minor) characters and what their place in the story was so I was at times lost. Unlike the earlier books, I didn’t read Dance in one sitting, but instead left it on my shelf for several weeks before I started reading and then took several weeks more to finish reading.

    When Winds comes out, maybe I’ll read it, but probably not. I’ve never been one to be angry or truly agitated with authors for not finishing their series, but I think that those agitated people? Once they stop being agitated, they’ll likely join me in the “probably not” category of people. I think that this may occur about simultaneously as the tv-series finishes up.

  291. Yarya
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Pau Soriano: The difference is that the politicians have the moral obligation to answer to us, but an author has not.

    I understand your point here, it’s a good one. BUT, I’m not arguing that he has an obligation to answer. I definitely don’t think he does, in fact. He can do whatever he wants, it’s his life and I don’t morally judge him.

    What my point is, is that it’s not an awful, evil question. Maybe borderline offensive, but that’s subjective (obviously it is offensive to him). I would say instead, the media has an obligation to ASK the question, regardless of what his answer is. Why? Because people want to know. Now is that right or wrong? As I said, I don’t make moral judgments, but I don’t think it’s absurd that people would care more about something that’s a part of their life (ASOIAF) than the possibility of offending someone who isn’t (GRRM).

    And on a personal note, I don’t think it’s offensive to begin with. Maybe I’m weird. Someone that I’ve never met who is *worried* that I might die before I complete something that they love…I wouldn’t curse that person out and give them the middle finger, that’s for sure. I think it was a lame move. Still like the guy.

  292. Bard
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    I’m wondering when exactly he’s going to admit that the show will catch up with the books. The scripts for season 5 are most likely completed by now, so he should know that illusions like “3 seasons for AFFC/ADWD” just won’t happen.

  293. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Bard,

    He’s probably going to say the show is very different from the books and that the end won’t be the same or some bullshit like that. He might even go as far as changing his plans.

  294. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Pau Soriano,

    I think his fandom who read the series for twenty years now deserve to see the ending in the books before the show.

    We don’t deserve anything. Life just doesn’t work like this “I deserve this!! I demand this!!”

    No you don’t.

    If you want to “deserve” something, go earn it

  295. Severance23
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    One of the first replies, way above, from House Mormont mentioned that George “knows his methods, he knows he can only write in certain conditions, yet he makes no effort to get those conditions, quite the opposite in fact,” says everything about George’s priorities.

    He’s been in Europe for a fortnight – then he’s off to ComicCon in San Diego – then it’s back to Europe for another fortnight. Not a whole lot of writing that month…

  296. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Yarya:
    Pau Soriano,

    I understand your point here, it’s a good one.BUT, I’m not arguing that he has an obligation to answer.I definitely don’t think he does, in fact.He can do whatever he wants, it’s his life and I don’t morally judge him.

    What my point is, is that it’s not an awful, evil question.Maybe borderline offensive, but that’s subjective (obviously it is offensive to him).I would say instead, the media has an obligation to ASK the question, regardless of what his answer is.Why?Because people want to know.Now is that right or wrong?As I said, I don’t make moral judgments, but I don’t think it’s absurd that people would care more about something that’s a part of their life (ASOIAF) than the possibility of offending someone who isn’t (GRRM).

    And on a personal note, I don’t think it’s offensive to begin with.Maybe I’m weird.Someone that I’ve never met who is *worried* that I might die before I complete something that they love…I wouldn’t curse that person out and give them the middle finger, that’s for sure.I think it was a lame move.Still like the guy.

    Fair point. But wait until you’re 65 and seen many people close to you die…maybe you’ll change your mind. ;)

    I think what annoys him is that people is not worried about his health because they care about him, but because they just want their candy. They could care less if he dies just one day after he’s finished. I would get offended, too

  297. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Severance23:
    One of the first replies, way above, from House Mormont mentioned that George “knows his methods, he knows he can only write in certain conditions, yet he makes no effort to get those conditions, quite the opposite in fact,” says everything about George’s priorities.

    He’s been in Europe for a fortnight – then he’s off to ComicCon in San Diego – then it’s back to Europe for another fortnight. Not a whole lot of writing that month…

    And?

    Cumsprite:

    And, I don’t want the book now. I honestly don’t care when the next book comes out.

    “Waaaaaah, waaaaaaah, I want my candy!!!”

    After you eat your vegetables, kid

    “Waaaaaah, waaaaaaah, Now I don’t want it!!”

    Edit: Plus the notion that just because you bought a book he wrote means that he works for you is just laughable

  298. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Thanks for picking and choosing which part of my comment to address. Is that the way you win an argument?

  299. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    If he takes a shit on his books you can’t blame Cumsprite for not reading them. And how you write “I want it now” is simply not true. It should be “I want it in a reasonable time frame and I want the writer to care about his self proclaimed masterpiece enough to finish it in his own terms”.

  300. elmar frey
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Talk all you want about him not owing his fans anything. Your zen attitude is admirable.

    But he is contractually obligated to deliver seven books to his publisher.

    Do you think the pace he has set over the past thirteen years – because of the choices he has made regarding his priorities – reflects a strident sense of professionalism? Does he strike you as respectful to those he works with?

    (To those saying he’s obligated to do these interviews: the media would much rather be talking to the actors. The fans would much rather be hearing from the actors. HBO would much rather he be writing the books. The chances that anyone is obligating him to do press during the off-season is practically zilch.)

  301. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    In theory, I suppose it could be taken as a compliment. GRRM’s fans love his work so much, they really want him to finish it. But in reality, it’s the exact opposite. Only in the age of internets and anonymity will people be so disrespectful as to openly speculate about the death of someone. How many people would say that sort of thing to their neighbors? i.e. “Hey Joe… about that trip to Europe you booked for next summer – You’re too old for that. I don’t think you’ll make it. You’ll die before you’ll get there. You should probably get your money back”.

    Yeah… That never happens. And in the rare instances when it does, that person is described as being “antisocial”, or worse.

  302. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Murica,

    Let’s kill that insult, shall we?

  303. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    elmar frey,

    Ever heard of “writer’s block”? Writing fiction is an art form. It’s not so easy. Book deals are comparable to record deals — or, at least, they used to be. The record industry has since collapsed, due to a technology revolution, but musicians in the pre-MP3 era commonly signed multi-album deals with labels. And there are cases of artists taking decades to fulfill those obligations. That’s because creativity isn’t something you can summon at will. It comes and it goes, and publishers, more so than most, understand this. They’d rather wait for your creativity than get handed something that was rushed. Anyone who signs GRRM to a book deal isn’t going to expect him to complete his novels like an accountant completes a spreadsheet. It’s art. Not math.

  304. The Bastard
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    I bet HBO is happy they get to tell the story first. Makes the show seem more important.

    Did anybody else get a sense from GRRM’s leaking of some main plot points of book 6 that he is posse off at the world and would rather ruin the story for fans then let HBO tank it over?

    It would not surprise me if he tried to leak the ending of the series once he knew the show would finish first. He seems like that kind of guy. The Sam kind of guy who would give the finger to his own fans.

  305. Maverick
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    The Bastard,

    I don’t think he is that kind of guy but he did say there will be another wedding, Dany will reclaim westeros with fire and blood, and Tyrion won’t get to meet Dany. Pretty much major plot points but i don’t really know if it counts as spoilers.

  306. Rygar
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    So I woke up this morning and took my ritualistic dump. See the thing is, I can only go number two in my own bathroom, with the lights off, between 6-7am, with Neil Diamonds “Crunchy Granola Suite” playing in my headphones, while eating a pulled pork sandwich from Memphis.

    Hey Pau, can you pass the tp?

  307. The Bastard
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins:
    elmar frey,

    Ever heard of “writer’s block”? Writing fiction is an art form. It’s not so easy. Book deals are comparable to record deals — or, at least, they used to be. The record industry has since collapsed, due to a technology revolution, but musicians in the pre-MP3 era commonly signed multi-album deals with labels. And there are cases of artists taking decades to fulfill those obligations. That’s because creativity isn’t something you can summon at will. It comes and it goes, and publishers, more so than most, understand this. They’d rather wait for your creativity than get handed something that was rushed. Anyone who signs GRRM to a book deal isn’t going to expect him to complete his novels like an accountant completes a spreadsheet. It’s art. Not math.

    Many would say that block has been in place since the end of book 3. At what point does it become unacceptable? 15 years is a long time….

  308. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Pau Soriano,

    Thanks for picking and choosing which part of my comment to address. Is that the way you win an argument?

    I’m not here to win any argument. I only found that part worth addressing…what’s yout point?

    I (obviously) don’t have to answer each and every thing you say…same as Martin can do whatever the fuck he wants, same as you can do whatever the fuck you want

    jentario:
    Pau Soriano,

    If he takes a shit on his books you can’t blame Cumsprite for not reading them. And how you write “I want it now” is simply not true. It should be “I want it in a reasonable time frame and I want the writer to care about his self proclaimed masterpiece enough to finish it in his own terms”.

    I would respect more “I want it now”, as in “I want it in a reasonable time frame and I want the writer to care about his self proclaimed masterpiece enough to finish it in his own terms” you make even more demands

    In what kind of society you live man? Are you some kind of arab Sheik that thinks his wishes are somehow bound to be obeyed??

    You, WE, can criticize his work all we want. We don’t have FUCK ALL to say about how he lives his life, when he writes, how he writes or even IF he writes.

    We all have to learn to RESPECT other human beings. We only have one life and we owe it to ourselves to live it however the fuck we want it (needless to say, without hurting others), and the only obligation we really have is to ourselves.

  309. Phiiiiiil
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    He got so upset about the question where he would finish because he knows it IS a real issue

  310. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    What I want =/= what I demand
    I am just translating for you, since you seem hellbent on misquoting reasonable arguments into charicature jokes. People are saying that GRRM should do something or he’ll lose their respect and their money going forward. That is all.

    Taking what people say here and turning it into “I want I want” is just dull. You seem like a drone.

  311. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    So I woke up this morning and took my ritualistic dump. See the thing is, I can only go number two in my own bathroom, with the lights off, between 6-7am, with Neil Diamonds “Crunchy Granola Suite” playing in my headphones, while eating a pulled pork sandwich from Memphis.

    Once you get that first road win you’ll find it much easier to conduct your business without the home bowl advantage.

    What did the cannibal do after he dumped his girlfriend?

    He wiped his butt.

    Most likely with the pages from ADWD.

  312. Wilson Wilson
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins:
    elmar frey,

    Ever heard of “writer’s block”?

    If he has writer’s block ( or is just bored with writing in favour of taking jollies around the world ) then I’d rather he just came straight out and said it – a bit of hard truth might be disappointing but we could respect his honesty.

    I don’t want 700 pages of drivel just to meet a deadline and fan’s expectations of when the book is “due” but it would be so much better and hopeful otherwise if he just says at some point “Now I am cutting right back on other commitments to concentrate on writing ASOIAF because I intend to finish it”.

    Yes it is a creative art and not a 9-5 job but in rock music groups who diddle their fans around are just as likely to get flak even if “they ain’t their bitches”. Whoever buys the product is a customer all the same and doesn’t have to be in worshipful awe mode all the time.

  313. Rygar
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Cumsprite: Once you get that first road win you’ll find it much easier to conduct your business without the home bowl advantage.

    What did the cannibal do after he dumped his girlfriend?

    He wiped his butt.

    Most likely with the pages from ADWD.

    I’m just more comfy crapping at home. I’ll wait months to poo when I’m abroad. And man, when I do finally arrive back on my own throne, the diarrhea flows.

  314. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    I am aroused…
    (starring Will Smith)

  315. LadyK
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Well written. I totally agree 100% with you. There are some selfish, instant gratification people,that have little concept of respect and empathy. I hope that some of these people at least can do some self examination and realize that they are wrong for their lack of empathy and disrespect and decide to change the attitude for the better.

  316. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    So I woke up this morning and took my ritualistic dump. See the thing is, I can only go number two in my own bathroom, with the lights off, between 6-7am, with Neil Diamonds “Crunchy Granola Suite” playing in my headphones, while eating a pulled pork sandwich from Memphis.

    Hey Pau, can you pass the tp?

    Sorry man I only read Reason, like Peter Bagge

    jentario:
    Pau Soriano,

    What I want =/= what I demand
    I am just translating for you, since you seem hellbent on misquoting reasonable arguments into charicature jokes. People are saying that GRRM should do something or he’ll lose their respect and their money going forward. That is all.

    Taking what people say here and turning it into “I want I want” is just dull. You seem like a drone.

    In many cases, “I want”=”I demand”, if not people would say “I’d like” instead. It just dependes on the context, mostly. And in this thread the context is pretty clear

    Lie Freddy would say “I Want it all, and I Want it now”

  317. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    The man wants toilet paper, give him toilet paper!

  318. Maverick
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    what GRRM really wants to say is fuck Mark Sanchez and the New York Jets really need a new Quarterback.

  319. Rindert
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    I think GRRM is the best but I am sad to see him giving impatient fans the finger.

    I understand it a bit though. All of his work is of very high quality. I am convinced he wants to deliver the same quality in TWOW. That takes a lot of time and effort. Perhaps it is even impossible.

    A decline in quality as e.g. in the “Children of the Earth” series by Auel would be a nightmare. If ADOS would comparable to “The Shelters of Stone”, then I would prefer no ADOS at all. It would damage the whole ASOIAF.

  320. JR
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    This just confirms that he probably isn’t close to finishing Winds of Winter. I’ve accepted the show will pass the books and that’s fine, but it seems like the pressure is getting to George.

    The thing that bothers fans are half a dozen other projects he is also working on. Most of us aren’t interested in these other books that offer little other than stroking George’s big ego and wallet. It’s not exactly like fans are clamoring for these extra projects.

  321. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Pau Soriano,

    The man wants toilet paper, give him toilet paper!

    A lol, I thought it was a TV magazine called TP XD

  322. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Que es “julandrones”? O me atrevo a preguntarle? (Pardon my Spanish, is very rusty)

  323. Daniellica
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    2awesome4apossum: Both sides are wrong here (although each is a little bit right).

    I lament that there are “sides” here at all. We are all fans or we wouldn’t be here. We all have opinions and stances and they are all valid, yet we can’t avoid the polarity of heady collision. We can disagree without dismissing one another as insipid assholes.

    All I can do is offer my own experience, and as an experienced writer I know that procrastination is one of my best talents, so I must devise tricks to counter my own compulsions. If I knew I could only write under very specific conditions, I would incorporate methods to ensure those conditions as often as possible. The only cure for writer’s block that I know is to write through it. It seems GRRM is very set in his ways, which can be great for an author…if it works. Is it still working for GRRM? Only GRRM knows that, but if I personally found myself unable to write due to my conditions, I would work on different methods of alter my conditions.

    That said, I don’t judge GRRM for his pace or attitude or preferences, no more than I judge any of yours. I view his work as a gift, even if I lay down a deposit for the ability to enjoy it, just as I do with anyone else’s work that has inspired me throughout my life. Artists once had patrons–now they have consumers.

    I view art as a kind of alchemy, a combination of ingredients that brew into something impossible to define but recognizable at the interstice. A mind’s expression of experience and passion, its encounters with the world, conjured into words and images and feelings that resonate on certain frequencies of human reflection. Hard work and discipline and dedication and duty are all vital aspects here, but there are others far less identifiable, and they are the ones that often differentiate between good and great.

    Sorry for the sprawling ramble!

  324. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Yarya,

    I think you’re getting the role of the press confused. They are *supposed* to ask questions that people want answers to, even if it’s rude and uncomfortable. Imagine if the media didn’t ask difficult, uncomfortable questions to politicians out of the fear of offending them. No, their job is to get information and disseminate it.

    I expect the Press to ask hard, rude questions of people who have the power of life or death over other people. Not of artists whose worst crime will be to not finish a series of books. Furthermore, true journalists do have expected behavioral standards. They are supposed to weigh the possible consequences of an interview with the consequences of not asking a question. Since that particular question had been asked and answered a million times and clearly had pissed him off in the past, a real journalist would not have gone there or would have approached it in a totally different way that was respectful–it’s not like the fate of thousands hung on the answer anyway.

    I don’t know what country you’re in but in the U.S. the Press doesn’t ask appropriate tough questions of the people in power. The illegal and disastrous invasion of Iraq being a perfect example. The U.S. Press is like a worn out hooker–they just lie there and go through motions when it comes to political institutions. But entertainment? Now that is what they’ve got a hard on about. So yeah, let’s grill an author about his supposed impending death but heaven forfend they dig into why the only proof of WMD in Iraq was a single story out of Africa about a little bit of yellow cake that could not be proven. Let’s not ask why billions of dollars disappeared into the pockets of a company closely associated with the Vice President before and after the war. Let’s not ask why the war wasn’t included in the budget until after Bush left office. Let’s not ask why vets aren’t being taken care of because the VA was underfunded until lots of people have died. If they’d asked the tough questions years ago, those vets might be alive today. I could go on and on with the malfeasance of journalists today.

    Asking rude questions of entertainment figures who haven’t committed a crime or hurt other people in any way is not journalism. Not even close. And if people think it is, then may the gods help us all.

  325. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Yeah, well.. in less than 2 years from now Martin will be complaining about the show spoiling the story he planned to tell in his books.

    I’ll make sure to give him the middle finger, then.

  326. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    elmar frey,

    But he is contractually obligated to deliver seven books to his publisher

    Can someone please link to the article or statement where this is indicated. I know for a fact he was obligated to write the first three books. I don’t know about the next several. And even IF he is, his obligation is to the publisher because they front him a lot of money to write the books–it’s a form of investment. It’s not to us because we don’t pre-pay for the books. And buying his previous books is not an “investment” on our part since the price for one book is precisely that.

  327. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Don’t ever worry about sprawling answers. I truly enjoy your insightful commentary. As for the arguing, I just can’t help myself. I’m the contentious sort and enjoy a good debate. You, on the other hand, are excellent at commenting on the matter at hand without offending either “side”. That is a skill I will probably never possess and I admire you for it.

  328. Joe Frost
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Can’t say the people he was talking about didn’t desrve that. Stop moaning people , he’lll write them when he’s ready to write them. Would it really kill people to have the show delayed by an extra year or so? Just nail down the actors needed for it to work on the next season when it happens and perhaps make a sequel series in the meantime whilst George writes. This I want everything as soon as possible attitudethat everyone seems to have nowadays is extremely shallow.
    It’s refreshing to see an author be that frank and direct instead of worrying about PR. Don’t worry George, the real fans will wait because they know it’ll be worth it.

  329. Aubrey
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Joe Frost:
    Would it really kill people to have the show delayed by an extra year or so? Just nail down the actors needed for it to work on the next season when it happens and perhaps make a sequel series in the meantime whilst George writes.

    Put down the bong.

  330. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ: Since that particular question had been asked and answered a million times and clearly had pissed him off in the past

    If Martin is so pissed off that the press keeps asking him the same questions over and over again, then there’s a simple solution for him : stop giving those damn useless interviews.

    The last ASOIAF book has been released more than 3 years ago.. is it really that much of a surprise that the press has now ran out of new questions to ask him?..

  331. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Joe Frost,

    The show will not wait. If it waits a year, GRRM will still need another five or six to finish the series. Actors won’t wait a year, either- at least, some of them won’t. There would be a hell of a lot more recasts if that happens. The show won’t wait from GRRM to get his shit together and start doing his job.

    If he chooses to procrastinate, he (and sadly you and the rest of the ASOIAF fans) will have to see the ending on screen first.

  332. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Joe Frost: Would it really kill people to have the show delayed by an extra year or so?

    The thing is.. that “he owes you nothing” argument works both ways : why would the TV show or the fans wait for him? Nobody owes him anything.

    *virtual middle finger*

  333. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    elmar frey,
    And buying his previous books is not an “investment” on our part since the price for one book is precisely that.

    That’s one way of looking at it. I guess? Martin wasn’t offering one book, he was offering a series of books. Had I known Martin’s penchant for taking one-year sabbaticals and popping off for a few months out of each year for appearances sandwiched around his niche side projects, I would not have bought the first book back in 1998 and I would not have recommended his books to my friends. I would have waited for the series to be completed.

    I began reading The Dark Tower series when it came out and didn’t give two squirts about the long wait for that series nor thought less of King for it. Martin is different because he is the type of jerk who unabashedly flips the bird to a segment of his fans. This was evident back when he made his infamous “To My Detractors” post on the NAB years ago.

    I am never going to start an unfinished series again because of Martin. I wonder how many other readers feel the same. Not only does Martin shit on his fans, he has also (likely) damaged the prospects for other serial authors. He has become a cautionary tale. And a damned funny one, too.

  334. Roland333
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    giving people the middle finger then giggling is growing up now?

  335. Maturin
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Joe Frost,

    David and Dan, HBO, Peter Dinklage, Lena Headey, Ramin Djwadi (sic), etc, etc are NOT YOUR BITCH.

  336. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

    I began reading The Dark Tower series when it came out and didn’t give two squirts about the long wait for that series nor thought less of King for it.

    I began reading it when it came out too. But I was irritated it took so long since he was one of the fastest and most prolific writers out there. The other stuff, which I consider substantially inferior, made him a lot of money but they weren’t good reading IMO. I thought King might never finish it but was happy when he did. As far as I’m concerned The Dark Tower is his best work and the only thing that really merit’s the title of “literature worth studying”.

    However, when I started ASOIAF I noticed the dates between books and figured it’d be a long wait and I was okay with that because he’s slow. Every author is different so I always just look at the dates between books and figure out if it’s worth beginning or not. Every book reader has that prerogative, of course.

    As Jentario has said multiple times, if GRRM doesn’t finish before the show and he loses the respect and interest of a good portion of his fans, he will only have himself to blame. I’m just glad that I will get to see an ending, any ending via the show–even if it ends up being a different ending from the books. But I won’t lose respect for him, either way. That’s a personal and subjective decision every fan will have to make on their own. And none of this has any bearing on the original point, which was that he had every right to be irritated and it’s wrong for fans to turn against him because on the millionth time he was asked the question, he lost his temper. He’s human and I doubt any one of us would have lasted as long as he did without losing our temper when asked what we would consider to be an offensive question over and over and over again.

  337. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ: And buying his previous books is not an “investment” on our part since the price for one book is precisely that.

    A restaurant lures me in with the promise of a delicious 3-course menu. As soon as I finish my entrée though, the waiter brings me the bill and tells me that there will be no main course and no dessert.

    Wouldn’t I have every right to be pissed, even though I’d technically only pay for what I ate?

  338. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Roland333:
    Pau Soriano,

    giving people the middle finger then giggling is growing up now?

    I mean you man…stop crying and grow up

    Cumsprite:

    I am never going to start an unfinished series again because of Martin.

    You too

  339. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    zod: A restaurant lures me in with the promise of a delicious 3-course menu. As soon as I finish my entrée though, the waiter brings me the bill and tells me that there will be no main course and no dessert.

    Wouldn’t I have every right to be pissed, even though I’d technically only pay for what I ate?

    Yes, because this is the same thing…

  340. Daniellica
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ: Don’t ever worry about sprawling answers. I truly enjoy your insightful commentary. As for the arguing, I just can’t help myself. I’m the contentious sort and enjoy a good debate. You, on the other hand, are excellent at commenting on the matter at hand without offending either “side”. That is a skill I will probably never possess and I admire you for it.

    Oh I love a good debate, and I can be a contentious bitch, but I also don’t consider it a debate when personal attacks come into play, nor when one or both sides refuse to consider the position of others. I have very strong feelings on most subjects, but just recognize that others do as well, and I don’t see how my opinion should be more important to someone else than their own.

    I also see the point of debate as something to challenge myself much more than someone else. :)

    Keep on keepin’ on, sistah.

  341. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Impressive argumentative skills “…”

    What’s next?

    “GRRM is not your bitch”?

    “Fuck you”?

  342. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    So’s your face.

  343. Old lady
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    I’m not worried martin won’t finish the books, I’m worried I won’t live long enough to read them, lol. At 73 a concern truly.

  344. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Next is “grow up”

  345. jentario
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Old lady,

    Cheer up! The show is much, much better than nothing even if it’s not ideal

  346. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    zod:
    Pau Soriano,

    Impressive argumentative skills “…”

    What’s next?

    “GRRM is not your bitch”?

    “Fuck you”?

    Says the guy that compares an artist writing a series of books to a restaurant…great argument there ;)

    Cumsprite:
    Pau Soriano,

    So’s your face.

    Must be getting old because I didn’t get that insult

  347. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    zod,

    Next is “grow up”

    “Grow up kid” ;)

  348. Tar Kidho
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Sure it’s offensive if people start to ask you questions whether you’ll live to finish your work, but on the other hand it’s also offensive to react in the way GRRM reacts. Many people that are afraid of seeing him go before he finishes the series (which is ego-centric) would also be very sad for George himself and his close relatives and friends; the former doesn’t preclude genuine empathy! Personally, I’m a bit disappointed that George reacts this way…

    Now, something really offensive:

    I want you to think of people close to you that you have seen ageing, and question if they were the same person at the age of 70 as they were at the age of 60. From personal experience, I’d say people change a lot over that time period, even if they remain in good health. Hence, I’m a bit afraid about how this could affect the books still to come, even if obesity doesn’t catch up with GRRM. (I warned you it would be offensive)

  349. Kael of the Lake
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Too late for the party, I guess. Where do we point the finger?

  350. Randy T of Hornhill
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Jacob_M: Were you going for the surreal and absurd? Regarding the first part of the story I wanted to ask if the son paid for the parts and work that the dad put in (better, but not good analogy), but then you ended with the whole “47 years later” bit and I’m just lost. How in the [deity of choice] is that analogous to GRRM and his interaction with his fans/interviews?

    Jacob_M,

    Thank you for adding to the analogy. I guess the “son” did put money into his “father’s” work. So I would be okay with him buying a few parts. After the 47 years have passed it is not analogous to his interview reaction. Its purpose is to show that the father actually outlived the son. This is not a one for one perfect analogy but it metaphorically represents an ending that many people (by many I mean at least 3 would have to read it) did not see coming. If you are wondering what “side” I’m on, it is the optimistic side who allows everything to unfold on its own without trying to force anything. The unexpected 47 year ending separated from the mustang/book analogy and represented my opinion that the books will be completed. This would be a surprise to Georges’ doubters. We are speculating about matters that are truly unknown.

    Overall there is no point. It only holds a certain amount of entertainment value that breaks up the more serious toned conversation. I reacted to the Bastard’s analogy which I thought was weak. The Bastard goes about 12% I go 100.

    ps^the analysis is pure comedy but you asked haha

  351. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: Says the guy that compares an artist writing a series of books to a restaurant…great argument there ;)

    We’re talking about “investment” and “false advertising” here. And yes, that is comparable. Notice that I didn’t complain about Martin’s pace: what I do complain about is that he promised something that he clearly doesn’t intend to deliver.

    He’s not getting any younger, he’s fucking rich, he has a loving wife and plenty of time-consuming hobbies.. I get that he’d rather not spend his time alone, writing his books. I really do. We paid for what we got, and he doesn’t owe us anything? Sure. But, on the other hand, we don’t owe him anything either and we do have every right to be a bit pissed off and to feel a bit let down.

    If he doesn’t like hearing the fans complaining and asking him the same questions over and over again, all he needs to do is to shut his damn mouth and stop giving all those fucking useless interviews.

    As for the “grow up” part, it’s kinda funny reading that from someone who throws insults at people as arguments.

  352. Strider
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake:
    Too late for the party, I guess. Where do we point the finger?

    BEST SNARKY COMMENT OF THE WHOLE DAMN THREAD! LOL

    I’m on the middle ground on this one with what appears to be Miss Daniellica! Go figure.

    Nice comment btw combining the realism of having patrons/consummers with the need to adapt methods if one hits the writer’s block or has a slow pace.

    I also hope I never read the words “obligation to fans” ever again in another thread for ASoIaF. Overused just like “not your bitch”. I hate overused expressions.

    Rygar,
    Cumsprite,

    You two need to write your own damn travelogue! You got the shitting part proper.

    LOL @ Ry! apparently according to some ideas upthread you have an moral obligation if not a contractual one to your fans to shit when you travel. It is expected. Get to it. You cannot expire from keeping it all in. Where would we be then, eh?!

  353. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Strider: I hate overused expressions.

    ADWD must have been a nightmare for you, then. ;p

  354. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    zod: what I do complain about is that he promised something that he clearly doesn’t intend to deliver.

    “Clearly”…. how sad must be to live a life so full of fear and lack of confidence in yourself that you always have to expect the worse in life in order to be able to cope with it’s inevitable dissapointments ;)

  355. Strider
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    HAH! Good one. Made me chuckle. And I get the feeling you know that I liked ADwD too.

    Should have expressed myself better. I hate them when they lose meaning or are simply not true and they are used for bashing someone else’s opinions or the people themselves.

  356. Knurk
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I don’t wonder if GRRM will die before he finishes his books, I just wonder if he dies before he admits he will never finish them.

  357. Kael of the Lake
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Strider,
    Where would we be then, eh?!

    Fine, where do fans go?

  358. druid
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    stephen king > grrm

  359. Rygar
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    As long as D&D or at least one D lives, its all good.

  360. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Pau Soriano: “Clearly”…. how sad must be to live a life so full of fear and lack of confidence in yourself that you always have to expect the worse in life in order to be able to cope with it’s inevitable dissapointments ;)

    Which one is this: strawman, ad hominem, argumentum ad absurdum or stalking horse? I left my Debate for Dummies in my other pants.

    Now you just look silly and maybe a little bitter.

  361. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    You’re probably the one leading a sad life, given how you always assume all the people who comment about ASOIAF and GOT on this website do so because that’s the only thing going on in their lives.

    Here’s a hard truth for you : we don’t all share your situation.

  362. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake: Fine, where do fans go?

    According to GURM, the fans can just go to hell.

  363. HARmundGiantsbane
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    This is so awesome…you tell ‘em, George! Now for the rest of my life I can go around telling people this: “like the great George R. R. Martin once said, fuck you!”

  364. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    zod:
    Pau Soriano,

    You’re probably the one leading a sad life, given how you always assume all the people who comment about ASOIAF and GOT on this website do so because that’s the only thing going on in their lives.

    Here’s a hard truth for you : we don’t all share your situation.

    Sure you don’t, that’s why you state your absurd fears (Martin has no intend of writing the books anymore) as facts. They are not. They’re just that, your absurd fears.

    Cumsprite:
    Pau Soriano,

    Now you just look silly and maybe a little bitter.

    I see I struck a nerve there ;)

  365. zod
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: Sure you don’t, that’s why you state your absurd fears (Martin has no intend of writing the books anymore) as facts.

    You realize that there’s actually no correlation between the two?

    Bah.. Internet arguments..

  366. Cary Storm
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Cumsprite:
    Pau Soriano,

    Which one is this: strawman, ad hominem, argumentum ad absurdum or stalking horse? I left my Debate for Dummies in my other pants.

    Now you just look silly and maybe a little bitter.

    Strawman. Clearly strawman. And how sweet. He think you mad.

  367. armsbendback
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    I’m with George. Two middle fingers to people who speculate on his death and complain incessantly. He grew up and experienced both reading and writing books pre-social media. Back then, the books came out when they freaking came out. When they were ready. You didn’t have web communities talking about it 24/7/365. I don’t expect the recent developments of the past 5-10 years to change his attitudes and methods that are decades old.

    As far as the show. Love it. But the show is the show. Don’t want to be spoiled, dont watch the upcoming seasons. But to CHOOSE to continue and watch and at the same time constantly criticize him for the time its taking is stupid.

  368. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    2awesome4apossum,

    Microsoft DID stop supporting XP, just this year . . .

  369. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Darn that Tolkien!! It took him TWENTY years to come up with a sequel to The Hobbit and then he putzed around for ANOTHER twenty years not finishing The Silmarillion so that his son Christopher had to finish it (and the rest of his work as well!). I begrudge every moment he spent hiking in the woods, going to hobbit dinners in Amsterdam, hanging out with Edith and the kids or C.S. Lewis and his Inkling buddies (probably drinking!), grading exams and giving lectures, etc. And after he retired in 1959 he had NO DANG EXCUSE for not buckling down and finishing ‘er up!!

  370. malcatraz
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Nerds everywhere should boycott any convention that invites GRRM to appear until ASOIAF is done.

  371. Robinson Vesselere's BITCH
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Y’know, SOME book, movie/TV, and music contracts REQUIRE established artists to go on tours, interviews, etc., to promote the product. Of course, when you’re a struggling beginner, you WISH they did, but they probably aren’t as much fun as you think when you’re 65.

  372. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    A restaurant lures me in with the promise of a delicious 3-course menu. As soon as I finish my entrée though, the waiter brings me the bill and tells me that there will be no main course and no dessert.
    Wouldn’t I have every right to be pissed, even though I’d technically only pay for what I ate?

    Your metaphor is not the same. I think phrasing it as follows would make it the same.

    A restaurant lures you in with an ad for a 3 course meal while supplies last. By the time you get past the appetizer there isn’t anything left for an entree and dessert. They only make you pay for the appetizer you ate. The restaurant staff wants to close up for the day because they cannot serve you want you want and they can buy food and start cooking again tomorrow. Instead, you demand that the staff go buy more food and serve it to you immediately. You tell them they are not allowed to close THEIR restaurant and return to their non-work lives until your demands have been satisfied. At first they’re polite, apologizing, asking you to come back sometime later. They might have little bits of food, not enough for an entree but still some small bits, and they offer you those things to appease you which you rapaciously gobble up but you still won’t be satisfied. You want the entree and the dessert right now, dammit. You start to insult the staff calling them lazy, fat, preoccupied, etc, etc. After a while they get tired of it and ask you to go away and come back another day, and their tone has definitely changed. Finally, after the millionth time you’ve demanded something they cannot provide to you at that moment and something that you knew could possibly run out, they give you the bird and tell you to get out. Then you get angry and blame the restaurant.

    The restaurant is reacting to repeated provocation. You are reacting to having your hopes dashed. You both bear responsibility for your behavior but in such a situation, I wouldn’t blame the restaurant for losing patience with you.

  373. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I’m just pissed because Zod (being from Krypton) doesn’t know the difference between an appetizer and an entrée.

  374. Logen
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    You guys need to GROW UP and learn RESPECT. Also, brush YOUR TEETH in the morning, or you’ll get FUCKING CAVITIES. Yo Pau, got your back bro.

  375. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy,

    I’m just pissed because Zod (being from Krypton) doesn’t know the difference between an appetizer and an entrée.

    Maybe he had trouble reading the advert because he left his special X-Ray blocking glasses at home and they got blown to bits along with everything else on Krypton. Maybe we should make some jaunty little tinfoil hats for Zod. It won’t help him understand anything but it sure would cheer me up!

  376. BenesHacha
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Rogge: Hoot:
    To all the armchair experts claiming to have ‘invested’ financially in the series, making demands ‘as a customer’- grow up. You haven’t lost any money. You’ve paid for books and received them, one at a time. You haven’t pre-ordered TWOW, so GRRM doesn’t owe you a damn thing.
    And how many would skip a book series if they knew beforehand that it would never be finished?
    When an author publishes the first book in a series, he’s basically saying “I wrote part of a story, I’d like you to buy it so I can make money of it and continue writing my story.” If not enough people buy it, it’s likely the author will have to discontinue the series.
    George R.R. Martin is not my bitch – but he has made me skip any book that’s part of an unfinished series, even if it’s recommended to me as a great book. The losers are other authors that are in the same situation George was in when he wrote his first book in a song of ice and fire.

    So much this. I try not to get too off the rails ranting about the slow pace, but any time I’m looking up a promising-looking book series starter at a bookstore, the first thing I check is whether it’s finished, and if it’s not more often than not I don’t bite. There’s definitely collateral damage being done to other authors in the industry who are writing ongoing series from people like me who are gun-shy thanks to their ASOIAF experience.

  377. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    zod,

    A restaurant lures you in with an ad for a 3 course meal while supplies last.By the time you get past the appetizer there isn’t anything left for an entree and dessert.They only make you pay for the appetizer you ate.The restaurant staff wants to close up for the day because they cannot serve you want you want and they can buy food and start cooking again tomorrow.

    Your analogy works for me up to this point. By this time, I leave the restaurant and caution my friends from giving them business. I am a patient man and know I can get the same meal for free at Chez Library at a later date.

    Also, at Bistro GURM, the last two courses sucked a bit. And the neeps had a hair.

  378. Joe Frost
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    His job is to write books not pander to impatient TV audiences. If you want a rushed not thought through properly TV series then that’s your look out. Some of us have patience and would rather things be done properly instead to please needy children. If the cast don’t stick around for the biggest TV show in history then more fool them. I think if the producers give them an approx date of filming then they would be more than happy to adjust their timetables accordingly. I think the film option would be the best fit as then George can finish the book when it should be finished and the actors will have more freedom.

  379. Joe Frost
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Then let them go. Sure his major concern is the books and making them as good as they can be as that will be his personal legacy. You can see why he doesn’t have the concerns of people who watch the show but have never read the books foremost in his thinking. Fair play to him.

  380. LittleFlower
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    The best thing about reading this thread is knowing which posters to automatically skip over in the future.

  381. Joe Frost
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Maturin,

    And GRRM is not yours.

  382. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    LittleFlower,
    Name names! It’ll be fun, promise.

  383. Logen
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Joe Frost,

    No, but he is HBOs, and HBO are gonna fuck him up.

  384. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

    You had me at “the neeps had a hair”.

    Seriously though, I’m okay with those who “leave the restaurant” and caution others (although I do disagree with your assessment of the last two courses but we can agree to disagree on that). But those who get angry and stay in the restaurant demanding the rest of the meal….they’ll get nothing but scorn from me.

  385. Tar Kidho
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    As long as D&D or at least one D lives, its all good.

    And as we all know, D’s can be tenacious…

  386. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Yup, walking out after eating what you paid for is always an option, and complaining to one’s circle of acquaintances (not assuming that some of these people have friends) is the most basic act of literary criticism, so who can argue with that? (Incidentally, I also liked the last two courses, but literature ultimately remains in some ways a matter of taste–I recognize what some folks like about Victorian Lit, but I avoid it like the “vapours” and assign profs who LIKE it to teach it and either teach Tolkien myself or assign it to a prof who ALSO likes it.)

    Looking forward to tinfoil origami for Zod!!

  387. Violentos
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    AlayneStone: Personally I found Martin a bit rude and defensive. I love his books, but I am starting not to like him that much in a personal level. He might be 65, but he sounds like a defensive teenager trying to justify the continuous procrastination of his homework.
    I mean, if he knows his writing method so well, why does he not apply it more often?

    I completely agree. He’s like a grown child. I very much doubt that he has the maturity to apologize for his rude behavior towards his own fans either. He needs his mother to spank his spoiled ass and force some courtesy into him. A little too late at this point I suppose.

  388. Violentos
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Elessar:
    As I expected, the whiners are out in force. Let me be absolutely clear: GRRM owes us nothing. The only person he owes anything to is the publisher. That is it.

    Elessar,

    He owes us nothing in the same way that a musical artist owes their fans nothing for all of their business/word of mouth and support. Only you hear musicians all the time saying “Thank you to the fans! Without you we wouldn’t be here right now!”. Martin wouldn’t have shit without his fans and he gives them a big “Fuck you!”. He is a spoiled, disrespectful man-child. That’s it.

  389. Robinson Vesselere's BITCH
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Violentos,

    You know nothing, Violentos. At least read the Wikipedia section on GRRM’s relationship with fandom before complaining about his ‘tude.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._R._Martin#Relationship_with_fans

  390. Cumsprite
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Robinson Vesselere’s BITCH,
    It is funny on many levels that you bring that Wiki entry up. That fandom section has been sanitized. One of GM’s “editors” had some less than flattering things to say about those who don’t kiss the author’s ass. The comments had to be removed several times before he (not naming names, you can look at the notes if you really want) finally saw the light.

    I expect nothing more of Martin’s closest supporters. They are a reflection of the type of man who tells his fans “Fuck you.”

  391. Joe Frost
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Logen,

    I think you undersetimate how little he cares about that. He’s already rich and at 65 he’s more concerned about his legacy than making money. I’d rather have the books done properly than the TV series. The show is already looking like it’s going to have a rushed ending so why ruin the real story.

  392. Joe Frost
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Violentos,

    Actual fans wouldn’t be moaning about him taking his time to do it right and enjoy his other work in the meantime ( if you’ve never read Fevre Dream I suggest you do. Great book). The fact the fuck you was obviously in jest and some people are butt hurt says alot at how emotionally immature those people are. Despite what others may want, a 65 year old man who’s spent the most part of his life writing and working may want to do other things with his life as well. Some “fans” need to stop being so selfish.

  393. Marteen Brotherhood
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

    You are definitely in the line of George’s finger fire. Members like myself of the brotherhood are not offended because we know he is not talking to us. I hope you take that middle finger to heart and realize that you are being a bitch.

  394. dtones520
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Screw George and his ego. He released the first 3 books of this series in 5 years. He has subsequently released two, that happened in the same timeline as one book, in 14 years since. He saw his opportunity to cash in on the series and he took it. He knows his writing habits and he still says yes to everything that is thrown his way and travels the world like he has finished his series. All the while his loyal fans, who put him on the map and got him his “trucks of money” that he brags so often about wait for him to release rhe second to last book on his series, let alone finish it, while the tv show is starting to spoil material they have yet to read.

    But of ahead George, give the finger to the people who got you to where you are. Ass.

  395. Knurk
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Marteen Brotherhood:
    Cumsprite,

    You are definitely in the line of George’s finger fire. Members like myself of the brotherhood are not offended because we know he is not talking to us. I hope you take that middle finger to heart and realize that you are being a bitch.

    found any pizzacrusts (only pizzapie of course, or else it’s not a pizza) on your latest dumpsterdive?

  396. Robinson Vesselere's BITCH
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

    Met him long before he was rich and famous and again since and corresponded at times. Have you actually SEEN some of the hate mail he got/gets? Did you see the garbage people posted on his blog once he had one? Have you read some of the stuff Gaiman references? And still the guy goes out and meets fans, signs tons of stuff for us, talks and sings and drinks with people at conventions, and so on. Wouldn’t YOU get a bit miffed after a while if you really WERE trying your best?

  397. armsbendback
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Saying the first 3 books were written 5 years is so disingenuous and not factual.

    Their was a massive lead of of years before the publishing of book one that include major plot and story points for all of book one and many elements of book 2 and 3 in addition to all the actual writing of book 1. From story inception and beginning of writing book 1 to the publishing date of book 3 was almost 10 years.

  398. Marteen Brotherhood
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    the fuck are you talking about knurk?

    what im a hobo or something? lol ooooooooooow

  399. Adrienne
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Joe Frost,

    Yes like Bob Dylan is concerned with his legacy doing that Chrysler ad… Mr Martin started this with his ‘no-one will finish the series but me’ comment. Certainly wouldn’t have grown to this if he hadn’t been so arrogantly stupid. He shouldn’t have kept adding to the series this is the real source of angst I suspect, book 4 was average which is where I stopped reading, certainly don’t need to be reading a padded series, and I like I said money is a HUGE motivator for some, the numbers seem to mean something to them even after several million.

  400. Deceptively Calm Scientist
    Posted July 10, 2014 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    There are so many parts to this debate. The “Does GRRM have an obligation to his ASOIAF readers, implied or otherwise?” debate. The “Is it acceptable to worry GRRM will drop dead before he finishes the series?” debate. The “Is it acceptable to even mention that there are people worrying about that?” debate.

    Yes, he is not our bitch. No, we are not his bitches either. Can we just get that out of the way so we can get on with our lives?

    1. I will be disappointed if the series is never finished, for whatever reason, including GRRM dropping dead.
    2. I do not have the impression that finishing the series is a particularly high priority of his. If it were I think he would be able to devote more time to it, while clearing his agenda of distractions.
    3. GRRM has shown himself to be completely incapable of realistically estimating how much time it will take to finish any of his books.
    4. GRRM may live to be 100. He may drop dead tomorrow. Probabilities favor the latter.

    So I really have no compunctions at all to tell him to go fuck himself.

  401. Marteen Brotherhood
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    Adrienne,

    in response to your book comment: When I initially read AFFC I hated it. I am also stupid and was unaware that it was only half of one large text. Every time I got to the end of a chapter and did not see Tyrion’s name I was pissed. I absolutely burned through that book.

    Then I decided to give it a second chance………..and God damn that was a good ass book. Definitely worth a re-read concerning the end game.

  402. AGirlHasSaid
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    The Red God could have taken him years ago just as he was writing the very first sentence of the very first book.

    Death is certain; the time is not.

  403. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    I think we can all agree that GRRM is a ninja turtle. But not a teenage one. Or a mutant. Just a ninja turtle.

  404. Cumsprite
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Robinson Vesselere’s BITCH:
    Cumsprite,

    Met him long before he was rich and famous and again since and corresponded at times.Have you actually SEEN some of the hate mail he got/gets?Did you see the garbage people posted on his blog once he had one?Have you read some of the stuff Gaiman references?And still the guy goes out and meets fans, signs tons of stuff for us, talks and sings and drinks with people at conventions, and so on.Wouldn’t YOU get a bit miffed after a while if you really WERE trying your best?

    I understand. Martin is a unique snowflake as he is the only celebrity, or regular person for that matter, that has ever received hate mail or had someone post something offensive on their blog.

    I’m glad you have friendly interactions with the author. Others have not. This “Fuck You” is just the latest incident where Martin insults and alienates a segment of the fandom.

    I read this somewhere: “Haters don’t care whether you live, die, or finish the books. Only fans of your product care about your demise. Does that deserve a fuck you?”

    Well put, I think.

    Anyway, I don’t think Martin is trying his best. He is not giving writing the books a priority. This is not an exhortation for him to change, he has his reasons I’m sure. I think his defensiveness when this is suggested means he knows it to be true.

  405. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Cumsprite,

    He’s not putting much effort into it, that’s for sure. It’s his life and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it- but clearly writing ASOIAF like a serious author is not high up on his list.

  406. Joe Frost
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Adrienne,

    Well it’s nice to know you know the inner workings of a man you’ve never met’s mind! Not sure how the Bob Dylan reference has anything to do with this…unless he’s actually GRRM in disguise? If you don’t want to read them then fine. If you don’t like GRRM’s attitude then fine. Take the finger and see you later. Personally, I’m happy showing some gratitude and patience to someone who’s created something myself and a lot of other people enjoy.

  407. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy,

    OT, curious about your moniker….are you referring to the “Hal Winslow” character in “Yankee Clipper”?

  408. The Winter Rose
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    I’m fine with just finishing off the series by watching it on HBO. Personally, I didn’t feel that the last book was very good and I am honestly doubtful that GRRM will actually finish the series at this rate. No, I don’t feel he owes me anything, and I can understand that dealing with a burst of fame could lead extra pressure and thus contribute to writer’s block. That said, I do think he has an obligation to his agent and his publisher to get his work done in a timely manner. If GRRM actually wants to finish the series, then he should probably take some time off all the touring to sit down and focus on his writing. Between this and other interviews I’ve seen of him, I just find his attitude a tad ungrateful… I mean there are so many struggling writers who would love to have the luxury of being able to write as their full time job. He is living the dream and I wonder if he has taken that for granted.

    So, I do see both sides here, but ultimately I’ve just given up expecting him to finish the series and have come to terms with just finishing the series via HBO. And I’m okay with that because I really love the show version.

  409. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    No, “Hal Winslow” from “Unsound Variations.” The other would be an interesting choice, however.

  410. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy:
    Darn that Tolkien!!It took him TWENTY years to come up with a sequel to The Hobbit and then he putzed around for ANOTHER twenty years not finishing The Silmarillion so that his son Christopher had to finish it (and the rest of his work as well!). I begrudge every moment he spent hiking in the woods, going to hobbit dinners in Amsterdam, hanging out with Edith and the kids or C.S. Lewis and his Inkling buddies (probably drinking!), grading exams and giving lectures, etc. And after he retired in 1959 he had NO DANG EXCUSE for not buckling down and finishing ‘er up!!

    [Plaintively]: Why won’t anyone join me in Tolkien-bashing? I feel so alone!

  411. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy,

    This thread is dead. It won’t write no books any mo’.

  412. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy,

    Aha! I would bet that GRRM took the name from the Yankee Clipper character…Hal is a “captain” in both stories. Book nerd trivia! ;)

  413. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Hal Winslow is also based on a real person with the same initials who is an old friend of GRRM. So that would be a clever double-twist!

  414. Ludo
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    This website is now filled with hatred. It’s so negative and disgusting.

  415. loco73
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Well I see the thought police was out to delete my undoubtedly inappropriate and vulgar comment though we can agree to disagree what that is…

    I wasn’t directing my derogatory comment to anybody in particular other than the very people George was telling to “fuck off” (hey how many swear words are you allowed in a PG-13 posting?)…

    But hey what the hell do I know?!

    Still I think he was right in his assessment, and they can indeed kiss his very wide, big and pasty white (or Walker White) ass!

  416. Stella
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Can anything be sadder than work left unfinished? Yes; work never begun. — Christina Rossetti

  417. ATG
    Posted July 14, 2014 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Alan:
    It always amazes me when people realize why speculation on his death is offensive.

    If you were worried about Martin’s health because you care about him as a fellow human being, that would be one thing.

    But what most people really mean is “I hope he doesn’t die because that would mean I don’t get to hear the end of the story.” He as a person is irrelevant to you; it’s only the books/story that matter — your personal enjoyment.

    It’s like hearing this barista who makes a killer cappuccino at your local Starbucks had to quit because they had cancer — and your lament isn’t for them or their family and friends but that you may never get a cappuccino that good again.

    That barista would tell you to go “F” off as well.

    This.

  418. SkyWrathMage
    Posted July 14, 2014 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    But I wonder how much of AFfC and ADwD would Season 5 cover?
    I’m listing the SOME story arcs and how much would be included on Season 5.

    Tyrion & Varys- Jorah might meet them early on. (Not sure on how they’ll play out Varys) I expect he won’t meet Aegon & Jon Con on the way, but still reach Slaver’s Bay midseason of Season 5. Maybe he’ll end up on Daznak’s Pit on E09 and forge some sellsword contracts on E10.

    JonCon & Aegon- I hope they’ll be included on Season 5. If they will, I doubt they’ll be introduced the way they are introduced in the books.

    Dany & Mereen- I’m pretty sure Dany would fly on E09. As in PRETTY SURE. He’ll meet her khalasar on E10. All major happenings and drama on Mereen would be included throughout maybe? And my bet is that the Battle of Mereen would be on early Season 6.

    Reek & Ramsay- They are finished on the first chapters of Theon/Reek on ADwD, leaving the possibility of the inclusion of Battle of Ice on Season 5. Maybe they’ll marry fake Arya to Ramsay early on.

    Jon & Stannis & Mel & the Wall- Jon would be elected very early on, like E02 or E03. That might give Stannis enough time to make out for the Battle of Ice. Jon didn’t do much on his 12 chapters on ADwD, so I expect some material won’t make it on screen. I’m rooting for the Pink letter, Jon’s stabbing, and hints if we’ll see Jon on Season 6 or not, on E10.

    Cersei & Margaery & KL- We’ll see the Walk of Shame on E08 or E09, leaving Ser Robert Strong on E10 and Cersei’s trial by combat on Season 6. Margaery and Cersei would be against each other over controlling Tommen. Cersei’s downfall would be the core for Season 5.

    Arya- Uhmm. The only thing I’m sure is that the training occurs throughout the season. I’m not entirely sure on the extent of her story arc on Season 5, though.

    Sansa & Lilfinger- They are almost running out of material for AFfC, so the two would have invented material AND material from the unpublished TWoW. Remember the “controversial Sansa chapter”? I think whatever this is would be included for E08 or E09 for Season 5.

    Bran- Holy S. Bran has one chapter left for ADwD, and that chapter is mainly about his “training” with BR. So TWoW material? I hope to explore the Land of Always Winter!

    Please correct me, if need be. THANKS!

  419. Hal Winslow's Old Buddy
    Posted July 15, 2014 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    SkyWrathMage,

    Ummm . . . you left out Dorne completely. Since we KNOW that they are casting Team Dorne and shooting in Spain, how does that leave time for all of the other plots you’ve listed, even if the Q-man and most of Pyke disappear in a puff of B&W dragonfire? Since they also discussed Snow Wars, I agree that they must run through lots of the plot in the North. And casting calls for KL make clear that at least the start of the M vs. C struggle appear. Arya’s training camp is a given. So what will need to give/be delayed from your list?

  420. Paige the Page
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    You do you George! True fans will wait for a quality book–rather than getting a rushed pile of garbage.

  421. Sean
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    My concern is that while he has every intention to finish the series, he is in denial about his own mortality. If he were 50 years old, taking 5+ years to produce 2 more books, I wouldn’t be worried. But he’s 65, and has been obese for much of his life, which studies have shown can take up to 15 years off your normal life expectancy. Factoring that in, he may have less than 10 years of life expectancy left. I’m sorry if that offends some of you, but I’m just looking at statistics and probabilities. Not to mention his increasing chances every year of having a heart attack, stroke, or other medical event that would severely impair his ability to write.

    I also wouldn’t be as concerned if he hadn’t made it clear that he would not allow any author to finish the series for him.

    Jenn,

  422. Somuchforoldtown
    Posted July 16, 2014 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    I met GRRM years ago, before the HBO show. He’s a great guy and I wish him well. But, sadly, the idea that he’ll be able to finish his masterpiece is a pipe dream. Same thing happened to Frank Herbert. Bummer.

  423. Ser_G
    Posted July 17, 2014 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    The thing is, he’s not telling all his fans to fuck off. Just the spoiled, entitled little cunts who call themselves “fans”.

    If reading that offended you, then congratulations, you are a spoiled, entitled little cunt.

  424. SkyWrathMage
    Posted July 19, 2014 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy,

    Apologies. It’s just I’m not sure what to expect to the Dorne story arcs. And Pyke.


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