Sophie Turner says Sansa Stark will use her sexuality to manipulate in Season 5
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A lot of interviews have come out of the Game of Thrones cast’s trip to San Diego for Comic-Con, and until now they’ve done their best to keep any details about Season 5 close to their chests. Having just received the scripts for the upcoming season, in a new interview with The Wrap, Sophie Turner drops some hints about what we can expect from Sansa Stark.

When asked what position Sansa will find herself in during Season 5 after lying for Petyr Baelish, Sophie said, “Well now she’s kind of in the position where Baelish isn’t overly sure what Sansa’s about, he doesn’t really know why she stuck up for him. But he’s kind of realizing that she’s a great manipulator, and she’s not this vulnerable young girl anymore. And she’s also realized that she can manipulate him though other means, because now she realizes his weakness is kind of her, and her mother. She’s gonna try to play out her sexuality as much as she can to manipulate him. So that’s what she’s gonna do.”

She adds that the past three seasons have been leading up to this, and Sansa will finally be able to put what’s she learnt into use.

Sophie reveals that she starts filming Season 5 on Wednesday, and she will be shooting exclusively in Belfast this year.

She also talks about filming the Purple Wedding, and praises Lena Headey for her brilliant performance during Joffrey’s death. She says her favorite death scene so far has been the Red Wedding, and discusses her upcoming projects, accents, and walking around Comic-Con in a cat mask.

 

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69 Comments

  1. Andy Smith
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    SanSan!

  2. Frédéric Sinclair
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    So, is Sansa story in season 5 going to spoil Winds of Winter?

  3. Drew
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Frédéric Sinclair,

    It looks that way. I think we should all expect that D&D are just gonna veer of course and do there own thing for many of the characters and plot lines. Sansa, and Brienne seem at sea atm. Jaime’s off to Dorne. I think Season five, will be the season with the most changes and deviations from the source.

    This could split opinion like never before. Or it could be really refreshing. We’ll just have to wait and see really…

  4. Hodorkovski
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Frédéric Sinclair:
    So, is Sansa story in season 5 going to spoil Winds of Winter?

    I think that’s inevitable. The last Sansa scene of Season 4 already seemed like a peek to her arc beyond AFFC/ADWD.

  5. RKO
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    This means Sansa will probably have sex with Petyr, as in TWOW.
    It is quite clear this is what she means.

    This is the controversial chapter Elio talked about.
    Dont blame the show , blame Martin for this.
    At least there wont be a rape.

  6. Winter
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Exciting stuff! Sansa will not willingly sleep with Paedofinger, but she may up the flirtation factor, make him jealous by growing close to her suitor, Harry. He could be a red herring, but I kind of want him to feature, he may well be present if they want to fill her arc this season. Who knows!

    I think we can all agree that Sansa’s storyline is about to get very interesting, it’s the one POV that could go in so many directions, a difficult to predict.

  7. René
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Frédéric Sinclair,

    Not if the book gets released before april 2015. Maybe GRRM is aiming for that.

  8. Annara Snow
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    RKO:
    This means Sansa will probably have sex with Petyr, as in TWOW.
    It is quite clear this is what she means.

    This is the controversial chapter Elio talked about.
    Dont blame the show , blame Martin for this.
    At least there wont be a rape.

    Um, no it doesn’t. It’s perfectly possible – and in fact, can be much more effective – to manipulate a man who wants you, by flirting and/or being coy and vague and not giving him what he wants.

    Sansa would gain absolutely nothing by having sex with Littlefinger, and would lose a lot – from being able to get her marriage annulled by proving her virginity, to, you know, being able to have sex with someone she wants rather than to be forced to prostitute herself to a man she’s not attracted to and who’s manipulated the situation to gain control over her fate. It wouldn’t really be that different from rape, and if that’s your idea of sexual agency, you’re deluding yourself. Furthermore, Cersei is a great example what’s like to have sex in order to try to manipulate men – it’s not such a good tactic, is it. Spoilers for TWOW released chapters: Arya managed to manipulate a man through her sexuality without losing her virginity to him, and he was a crass man who was looking for immediate sex with a prostitute. So why would you assume that Sansa is too stupid to be able to manipulate Littlefinger without opening her legs for him and giving him what he wants?

    And enough about the nonsense with the “controversial chapter” already. Elio said some things about it may be controversial in certain portions of the fandom. His comments were Later he said it may not even be anything about Sansa and has something to do with a new character.

    And why is it that the moment someone mentions “controversy” and Sansa, everyone starts thinking she’s either going to be raped or prostitute herself? Geez. You have a crystal ball or something? If someone said Jaime or Jon had a potentially controversial chapter, would you immediately think they were going to decide to or be forced to have sex with someone to get something done?

  9. Jared
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    The whole “Sansa has a controversial chapter in The Winds of Winter” thing has probably been taken out of context and made into a bigger deal than it actually is because we’re all so starved for news about the next book. I have no doubt that Sansa will begin to manipulate Baelish to a greater extent, possibly through flirtation. But my guess about that chapter (and this is complete speculation, BTW) has always been that Sansa will play some role in the death of Robert Arryn. As repulsive as that little kid is, there would definitely be people out there who would object to Sansa being involved in the death of a small child, even if her involvement is indirect and tangential at best.

  10. Dahlia Hawthorne
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    I think she’s just gonna flirt on him (kissing, sitting on his lap, hug etc), nothing more. And Littlefinger’s not gonna rape her as well, he isn’t like that. It’s a dumb move for her to lose her virginity or kill LF so soon, she needs those two.

    I predict she’s gonna kill Robert in Winds of Winter. That’s her controversial chapter.

  11. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    I’m sure Sansa will try to manipulate him, but Littlefinger is a master of intrigues. She won’t get far. He likes her and wants her, no doubt about it, but if Sansa thinks that Littlefinger will be her little lovesick bitch, then she is dead wrong. And what is the point of the manipulation? Why does she have to scheme against him? She is much safer and stronger with him, so what need would there be for some manipulation? Why would she be so stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds? This man really likes her and wants to do as right as he can by her, so why would try to hurt him? No one else lifted a finger to help her. Littlefinger is no angel, and maybe one day it will all catch up to him, but if I were Sansa, I would just sit back, chill, and look pretty!

  12. Annara Snow
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    moonlightof1982:
    I’m sure Sansa will try to manipulate him, but Littlefinger is a master of intrigues. She won’t get far. He likes her and wants her, no doubt about it, but if Sansa thinks that Littlefinger will be her little lovesick bitch, then she is dead wrong. And what is the point of the manipulation? Why does she have to scheme against him? She is much safer and stronger with him, so what need would there be for some manipulation? Why would she be so stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds? This man really likes her and wants to do as right as he can by her, so why would try to hurt him?

    Because Sansa is actually smart and understands that Littlefinger is not someone to be trusted and that he is not “trying to do right by her”?

    No one else lifted a finger to help her.

    That’s ironic – Sansa in the book remembers people who actually did help her at various times in King’s Landing, like Tyrion, Sandor, Garlan Tyrell (in the show one could say that about Margaery) and then thinks to herself: “Littlefinger never lifted as much as her little finger for her.” (Exact book quote) He was perfectly content to let her be beaten, abused and forced into a marriage and presumably raped (it’s not like LF could have known for sure that Tyrion wouldn’t go through with it) as long as he could in the end swoop in to kidnap her, err, “save her” from the situation in which he put her in in the first place through his machinations (betraying her father and later making sure that the Lannisters learned of the Tyrell plan to marry her their heir and take her to Highgarden) and is now “helping” her from a situation he also put her in by framing her for Joffrey’s murder that he himself organized.

    Littlefinger is no angel, and maybe one day it will all catch up to him, but if I were Sansa, I would just sit back, chill, and look pretty!

    Luckily for Sansa, she is not you.

  13. Sansa Bird
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    I know we can’t surmise anything too legitimate from this quote, but it still make me very uncomfortable.

    I really don’t want the construction of Sansa’s character to be completely deluded so D&D can make her into some sexual object. I sincerely hope this isn’t what happens, because we know that if they give Sophie good material, she can work it brilliantly.

    (I hope this isn’t just an excuse for the show runners to flaunt Sophie this year, that would be incredibly gross and in extremely poor taste.)

  14. Jon
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    GRRM said he is certainly going to be dealing with Jaime in the next 2 books at the end of this new interview

  15. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Well if Littlefinger is treating her so horribly, then she needs to get as far away from him as possible. I have read those three chapters in Feast, and haven’t seen a bit of abuse from Littlefinger to Sansa. He has not hit, or insulted her at all. She ought to be thankful she is not back at King’s Landing with Cersei! She may not be where she wants to be, but she is better off than where she was. As of right now (This point in the story) Sansa has no reason to plot against Littlefinger. Maybe something will pop later on, but for now… Sandor saved her from the rapists, which is wonderful! But he could barely stay sober everyday. A drunk is not the right man for Sansa. Tyrion was nice to her, but he could do nothing in the long run. Garlan Tyrell could only make her smile, and that is it! If she had gotten on Littlefinger’s boat when he told her to, then she wouldn’t of had to marry Tyrion. The perfect white knight is nothing but a fantasy. Why hurt the man that has saved her life twice?

  16. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    As for the betrayal of Ned, her father, Littlefinger and Sansa both betrayed Ned, along with a slew of others. It wasn’t just Littlefinger. Sandor Clegane pulled his sword first, and started killing Ned’s soldiers. And what about Sansa? What she did was worse because it was her own blood. She was more that happy to trade Ned away for Joffrey.

  17. RosanaZugey
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    I wanted to weigh in, but “Annara Snow” (the real one) very succinctly said everything I wanted to say, so…yeah.

    I did want to comment on this idea that Littlefinger “saved” Sansa, though. That notion really bothers me, and I read it quite often. He didn’t “save” her from anything. Matter of fact, the only reason she’s IN the situation she’s in is because HE put her in it. I hardly call framing her for regicide and isolating her from the rest of the world ‘helpful’. If there is any sort of appearance of goodwill towards her on his behalf, its not for HER sake but because he wants something from her. And whether that “want” is sexual in nature, or political, or both, the fact is that he’s doing it for his own ends, not hers.

  18. Annara Snow
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982:
    Annara Snow,

    As for the betrayal of Ned, her father, Littlefinger and Sansa both betrayed Ned, along with a slew of others. It wasn’t just Littlefinger. Sandor Clegane pulled his sword first, and started killing Ned’s soldiers. And what about Sansa? What she did was worse because it was her own blood. She was more that happy to trade Ned away for Joffrey.

    Oh, not that again.

    She wasn’t “trading” Ned for anyone. She was 11 and had no idea that there was any conflict between Ned and Cersei, and Ned never bothered to tell her what was going on (because it was not for little girls to know). She just didn’t want to go back home and lose the chance to be in KL and marry Joffrey. So she went to her future in-laws, the other adults who could overturn Ned’s decision; but since she was afraid of Robert, she went to Cersei.

    Comparing that to what Littlefinger did is absurd. Not to mention that he also set up the entire War of the Five Kings, both by making Lysa frame the Lannisters for Jon Arryn’s murder, and by framing Tyrion for the attempted murder of Bran. Not to mention there are strong hints that he either whispered in Joffrey’s ear to make him execute Ned contrary to Cersei’s decision (and Varys’ wishes) or at least knew about it beforehand and prepared the Gold Cloaks accordingly to react to the king’s decision.

  19. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    RosanaZugey,

    He didn’t save her from flying out the Moon Door????

  20. Aubrey
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Sophie Turner is 18 now. Get excited people.

  21. Sean C.
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982:
    He didn’t save her from flying out the Moon Door????

    A situation she was only in because of him in the first place (for a whole host of reasons).

  22. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    It is only speculation that Littlefinger whispered in Joffrey ear on Ned’s death. Nothing was ever proven. But it is a known fact that Joffrey called for Ned’s head, so I blame him as did Sansa. If it wasn’t Joffrey’s fault, then why did she try to kill him in her last chapter of Game and last episode of the first season? As for Jon Arryn, Lysa could have told Littlefinger that she wouldn’t kill her husband, but she made the kill with a smile on her face. She hated him and wanted her husband dead.

  23. RosanaZugey
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982,

    Once again, because of a situation HE put her in. Had he not kissed her, would she have been in the position of being thrown out of the Moon Door?

    Also, I wouldn’t say that he “saved” her from being thrown out of the Moon Door because he’s her knight in shining armor. She is politically important to him (a reality that hasn’t really been made known in the show, but its alluded to in the books). Lysa was expendable at that point anyways and since he needs/wants Sansa for HIS own ends, its a smarter move for him to preserve Sansa’s life than Lysa’s. The man is not altruistic. He does everything with a calculated purpose and to serve HIS own ends. Sansa knows this (especially in the show), which is why she’s trying to one-up him by using HIM (with her “sexuality”) instead of the other way around.

    “Once you know what a man wants…you know how to control him.” She is LIVING that quote right now.

  24. Sean C.
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982:
    It is only speculation that Littlefinger whispered in Joffrey ear on Ned’s death. Nothing was ever proven. But it is a known fact that Joffrey called for Ned’s head, so I blame him as did Sansa. If it wasn’t Joffrey’s fault, then why did she try to kill him in her last chapter of Game and last episode of the first season? As for Jon Arryn, Lysa could have told Littlefinger that she wouldn’t kill her husband, but she made the kill with a smile on her face. She hated him and wanted her husband dead.

    You’re presumably a troll, but regardless:

    - Joffrey being responsible does not mean Littlefinger also isn’t responsible.
    - The same is true of Lysa, who did it at Littlefinger’s instigation.

  25. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    RosanaZugey,

    As for the Purple wedding, like I said before, if Sansa had gotten on the boat when Petyr asked her to, then she could have been out of there before the shit hit the fan! Excuse me language! I understand being leery of Littlefinger. As a fan of his, I’m leery of him too. but not everything is his fault. Everyone played there part.

  26. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Keep your insults to yourself. It’s just a show!

  27. Sister Wrister
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982,

    Wow. You have brought something to the table that I have never seen, not with such enthusiasm. Congratulations on being the most fervent Littlefinger apologist I have ever come across.

    Off topic. Any word on the new place to hang? I have been out of it with family stuff….

  28. Sean C.
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982:
    As for the Purple wedding, like I said before, if Sansa had gotten on the boat when Petyr asked her to, then she could have been out of there before the shit hit the fan!

    Which did not happen in the books.

    And regardless, Littlefinger is the architect of the entire war. Sansa’s being a prisoner in King’s Landing is his fault, several times over, particularly in the show.

  29. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    RosanaZugey,

    As I said before, she can dangle herself in front of him all she wants and it won’t work. Littlefinger is not going to be her little bitch. If he could let go of Cat, he could let go of Sansa. I’m hoping that they can remain united throughout the rest of the story, but if they become enemies, then I will place my bet on that boss Baelish!

  30. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    I’m just a fan of his. A story isn’t good without a villain. And Baelish, is the best one I’ve come across!

  31. Charles
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Sansa Bird:
    I know we can’t surmise anything too legitimate from this quote, but it still make me very uncomfortable.

    I really don’t want the construction of Sansa’s character to be completely deluded so D&D can make her into some sexual object. I sincerely hope this isn’t what happens, because we know that if they give Sophie good material, she can work it brilliantly.

    (I hope this isn’t just an excuse for the show runners to flaunt Sophie this year, that would be incredibly gross and in extremely poor taste.)

    Seriously?! She is gorgeous and seems excited to do edgy material based on that interview (and her previous work). Just because you knew her when she was 13 you think it would be distasteful.
    and if Tyene uses her sexuality (= gets naked) next year? The actress is a month younger than Sophie.
    Sohpie won’t do anything she doesn’t want. If she takes her clothes off / has sex / seduces Littlefinger or whatever you can count on it SHE was ok so stop making decisions for her thank you very much.

    From the interview we learn three things:

    1. she just had the scripts = she knows what’s coming >
    2. she is not talking about that seducing as if she thinks that will happen. It’s in the scripts.
    3. she will only shoot in Belfast > her storyline will probably not leave the Vale.

  32. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Did Petyr force Ned to bring her to KL! Did Petyr tell Jamie to push Bran from a window??? That one act caused the enmity between the Starks and Lannisters. None of this was Petyr’s fault.

  33. Sean C.
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982:
    Did Petyr force Ned to bring her to KL! Did Petyr tell Jamie to push Bran from a window??? That one act caused the enmity between the Starks and Lannisters. None of this was Petyr’s fault.

    Littlefinger framed the Lannisters for the murder of Jon Arryn, and had Lysa send the letter to that effect, for the express purpose of bringing Ned south, which led to his family going with him. Littlefinger further lied about whose dagger it was that was used to attempt to kill Bran, for the express purpose of instigating conflict between the Lannisters. Littlefinger further bought the Goldcloaks to defeat Ned and massacre the Stark garrison, and requested that Sansa be given to him as his payment initially, though he was refused.

    Everything Littlefinger has done has been for the purpose of destroying Sansa’s family, and, once he saw her, getting Sansa for himself.

  34. Kells
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    I am okay with Sansa using her “tools” to try and gain the upper hand on Littlefinger. She knows his desire for her Mother and, in turn, her.
    I just can’t totally wrap my brain around Sansa vamping it up because it I always found her strength being more in the vain of Catelyn and less about a Margery/Cersei hybrid.
    I get that Sophie is now 18 but Sansa is still 14 (15?). Surely in Westeros, its different, fictional rules. I just dread D&D using Sophie turning 18 as the springboard to make Sansa the “Lolita”. It’s a trope that I never wanted to see Sansa fall into because so many champion her for her ability to use her wits and courtesy to survive and thrive. Myself, included. Book Sansa aside, I can see her exploiting LFs weakness (his desire) to her benefit. Book Sansa was repulsed by his touches and innuendo but played along because she knew she had to. If this is what Sophie means by using her sexuality, I get it. If Sansa is the initiator, well that is a 360 for the character that will be a tough pill to swallow for me as a Sansa fan.
    Then again…Sansa is “dead”, all that’s left is Alayne. And Alayne could become the stock femme fatale character. A bit boring but Sophie is gorgeous, so I’m sure not many will complain about Alayne looking hot.

  35. Head of the Wolf
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    While I’m excited that Sophie will potentially take her clothes off, I think all she’ll do is let LF see her naked after a earlier scene where LF looks like he’s putting her in a bad situation in order to get him to crack

  36. RosanaZugey
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982,

    Sana’s didn’t leave with Petyr because she had the better–and more desired–option of marrying Loras and being the Lady of The Reach. That was what she wanted and it got ruined when Littlefinger told the Lannisters about it. If he cared about what was “best” for her, he should have let her marry Loras. That would have effectively gotten her out of Kings Landing AND allowed her to live “happily ever after” with the man she’s wanted since Season 1.

    As a side, I don’t dislike Littlefinger. I appreciate and admire his ability to mastermind and carry out elaborate schemes to his own end. But, that’s my point. These things are to HIS own end and not for the sake of anyone else’s ‘good’ (especially not for Sansa’s). That’s the reason I have a problem with this notion that he helped or saved Sansa. He didn’t. HE put her in all of these various predicaments so that he can use her for whatever his endgame is (which I personally think is to sit on the Iron Throne and have her as his queen. But that’s just my hypothesis). There’s not some sort of romantic love story going on here. They’re both using each other (to what end…WHO KNOWS), and in that lies the very heart of their relationship, imo.

    Also, I think you’re right. I think even show Petyr is smart enough to figure out that she’s playing him if she suddenly goes sexual with him (which I don’t think she’ll do). Sophie’s use of “Sexuality” could easily be substituted by saying, “Femininity” or “Feminine wiles” and it would convey the same point she’s trying to make (i.e. that she’s going to play to his desire for her to get whatever she’s trying to get from him). I think she’ll play him by offering up his childhood dream; she’ll promise to marry him (once “the imp” dies) and therefore fulfill his lifelong dream of marrying Cat and having kids with her. He can’t have Cat now, but he can have the next best thing (her) and that’s what she’s going to offer him. That will be her use of “sexuality” in my opinion.

  37. Annara Snow
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Kells:
    I am okay with Sansa using her “tools” to try and gain the upper hand on Littlefinger. She knows his desire for her Mother and, in turn, her.
    I just can’t totally wrap my brain around Sansa vamping it up because it I always found her strength being more in the vain of Catelyn and less about a Margery/Cersei hybrid.
    I get that Sophie is now 18 but Sansa is still 14 (15?). Surely in Westeros, its different, fictional rules. I just dread D&D using Sophie turning 18 as the springboard to make Sansa the “Lolita”. It’s a trope that I never wanted to see Sansa fall into because so many champion her for her ability to use her wits and courtesy to survive and thrive. Myself, included. Book Sansa aside, I can see her exploiting LFs weakness (his desire) to her benefit. Book Sansa was repulsed by his touches and innuendo but played along because she knew she had to. If this is what Sophie means by using her sexuality, I get it. If Sansa is the initiator, well that is a 360 for the character that will be a tough pill to swallow for me as a Sansa fan.
    Then again…Sansa is “dead”, all that’s left is Alayne. And Alayne could become the stock femme fatale character. A bit boring but Sophie is gorgeous, so I’m sure not many will complain about Alayne looking hot.

    Yes, Sansa using LF’s attraction to her to manipulate him is not OOC as long as she is subtle about it, rather than acting like a stereotypical vamp. There are two other concerns I have:

    - Hopefully they don’t make it seem like Sansa has no other talents and weapons except her beauty. LF even points out in the book that those who only rely on beauty and family name, like Cercei, are poor players. Sansa has an arsenal that also includes intelligence, perceptiveness, empathy, kindness, knowledge about various houses and people, manners and ladylike “courtesy armor” as well as the ability to convincingly lie and hide her true feelings. But we saw some of that in the show, most recently with Lysa and the Vale Lords, and Sophie has said that Sansa’s main weapon are words, so that should be all right.

    - I hope that the show finally starts showing that Sansa’s budding sexuality also exists in the firm of her own secret desires and fantasies that have nothing to do with what LF or anyone else is trying to impose on her – which is the case in the books, even though she is a couple of years younger than in the show. I’m not terribly optimistic about that, since the show hasn’t been great so far in acknowledging that women in general have erotic desires of their own and that female sexuality is not just something that exists to be traded for something or used to manipulate men with – and when the show has tried to show female desire, the results have been clumsy (the Dany/Daario scene in Mockingbird).

    Basically, this could be done really well, but there are many ways it could go really badlym

  38. Sister Wrister
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982,

    I also enjoy readin/watching a good villain, (im particularly nterested in LF’s braavosi roots/connection . but this is the first I’ve actually heard anybody rooting for LF over Sansa – to be her “boss”, not her “bitch” a you put it.

  39. Annara Snow
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    RosanaZugey:
    moonlightof1982,

    Sana’s didn’t leave with Petyr because she had the better–and more desired–option of marrying Loras and being the Lady of The Reach. That was what she wanted and it got ruined when Littlefinger told the Lannisters about it. If he cared about what was “best” for her, he should have let her marry Loras. That would have effectively gotten her out of Kings Landing AND allowed her to live “happily ever after” with the man she’s wanted since Season 1.

    Well, half of that is true. It would have gotten her out of King’s Landing, she would have been surrounded by relatively friendly people, and her husband would have been more or less nice. Which was the real point that got lost in the show, as opposed to the book, where she was supposed to marry his brother she had never even met, a cripple that the Tyrella described as a really nice guy.

    Marrying him would probably, and marrying Loras would definitely, be happy ever after only as long as she didn’t expect any romantic love or erotic passion in her marriage, or in laws who, for all their niceness, didn’t primarily care for her because of her claim to Winterfell.

    I agree with the rest of your post. But LF being a creep and Lannisters being awful to Sansa doesn’t mean we have to idealize the Tyrells.

  40. Lyonel Selmy
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow:

    And why is it that the moment someone mentions “controversy” and Sansa, everyone starts thinking she’s either going to be raped or prostitute herself? Geez. You have a crystal ball or something? If someone said Jaime or Jon had a potentially controversial chapter, would you immediately think they were going to decide to or be forced to have sex with someone to get something done?

    I tend to dislike aggressive posts, but this statement is so relevant and awesome; I’m glad someone brought it up.

  41. RosanaZugey
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Lol. Oh, no, no. I wasn’t idealizing the Tyrells. Those cats are like every other House save the Starks; they use people for their own ends. They were using Sansa for her birthright the way the Lannister’s did and the way Baelish IS. I was simply attempting to make the argument that if Baelish wanted Sansa’s good, the Tyrells would have been the lesser of all the evils.

    But alas, we are where we are in both book and show. And the question I want answered more than any other is not whether Sansa will use “sexuality” to manipulate, but rather, to what end? What does she WANT? HER ultimate endgame is unclear to me (in both the book and show) so to finally have that explicitly stated will be the highlight of this storyline for me. If she’s going to manipulate him and put herself in a dangerous position by playing with his emotions, I sincerely hope its for a better reason than to simply ‘survive’; because she can do that by sitting there, looking pretty, and not saying anything (as she survived in Kings Landing). But if she’s actively “playing the game” I would love for it to be for something significant. Me thinks she’ll offer him marriage in exchange for him somehow getting her back Winterfell. OR (since the show seems to be taking her in this direction)…she’ll offer him marriage in exchange for vengeance/justice against the people who murdered her family.

    But, what do you think? What does the kid WANT? To what end is she playing this game? Speak to me! :)

  42. seastar
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    RKO,

    Nah, I don’t believe this. The vision the ghost of high heart had in Clash of Kings was about Sansa and reveals much if you ask me about her future storyline. Can’t seem to get spoilers in spoilertags, so if you never heard of the theory, I suggest you read it :) especially play close attention to the word maid in the vision.
    + Sansa maidenhood is just far to important to throw away like that, she needs it to get an annulment for her marriage to Tyrion.

  43. seastar
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982,

    Because Sansa will only see that he betrayed her family, and his actions in the end have contributed to the dead of 3 of her family members.

    She is still with him because she has no where else to go. Read her thoughts about Lysa’s confessions again, she doubts LF’s explanation but recognizes that petyr is the only person she has for now. + for now; she can’t prove anything, she only has the words of a half crazy person.
    If you ask me he will make a slip one day which she can use to link him to Ned’s death, this will happen after she realises that the Vale lords always supported her father and will help her, that’s when shit will hit the fence.

  44. Sansa Bird
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Sophie has said multiple times she wouldn’t do “certain things” on the show, implying she wouldn’t be okay with being undressed or in a sex scene, so all the fanboys can calm down now. Just because she’s hit some magical number doesn’t mean it’s okay to objectify her or that she’ll immediately be okay with some gratuitous sex scene.

  45. Kells
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Sansa Bird,

    Sophie can get naked. She’s of age and if it’s something she is comfortable with eventually, have at it. I just don’t want Sansa naked because she is 14-15 and I dread her being objectified more then she already has been.
    I don’t even think nudity is the issue. Sansa isn’t taking her knickers off anytime soon because of her age in the show. I just don’t want her most powerful weapon to be her sex.

  46. Grynthaline
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Yeah. Not sure how I feel about the show sexualizing a 16-year-old girl (character age, according to the GoT wiki).

    It was very specific too, the previous season Sophie used the word ‘femininity’, this time it’s ‘sexuality’. She could have said she’d use her femininity and charisma to charm him but no.

    I hope she uses her wits to outsmart him and her scenes won’t be about her trying to ‘seduce’ him all the time. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that the show’s only way of understanding a badass woman or a woman of worth is either she fights, or seduces/manipulates.

    Sansa’s innate goodness and empathy is her strength. She could use manipulation to accomplish some goals, but that’s not who her character is when she sheds the skin, as she put it in her IGN interview.

  47. Annara Snow
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Kells:
    Sansa Bird,

    Sophie can get naked. She’s of age and if it’s something she is comfortable with eventually, have at it. I just don’t want Sansa naked because she is 14-15 and I dread her being objectified more then she already has been.
    I don’t even think nudity is the issue. Sansa isn’t taking her knickers off anytime soon because of her age in the show. I just don’t want her most powerful weapon to be her sex.

    She can’t, actually, even if they wanted to get her naked (which I doubt anyway), because her character is underage. It’s not just the actors’ ages they have to think of, according to the rules it’s also the character.

    Grynthaline:
    Yeah. Not sure how I feel about the show sexualizing a 16-year-old girl (character age, according to the GoT wiki).

    GoT wiki is wrong. Sansa is 15 in the show. She can’t be 16 because she was still 14 during her wedding, and there wasn’t much time between that and the RW, and between the RW and the start of season 4.

    As for the show “sexualizing a 16-year old girl” (or a 15-year old girl), maybe you’ve used the wrong word, but girls and boys of that age are already sexual by themselves, a developing sexuality is one of the main characteristics of adolescence. The problem is whether they are going to show her as a sexual being who has her own desires, fantasies, feelings, agency, or only a sexual object who is there to be ogled by viewers or in-universe by Littlefinger and others.

    Sansa’s innate goodness and empathy is her strength. She could use manipulation to accomplish some goals, but that’s not who her character is when she sheds the skin, as she put it in her IGN interview.

    I agree. I hope we will see those qualities of hers. But, to be fair, goodness and empathy are not characteristics that would help anyone deal with Littlefinger.

  48. RosanaZugey
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Grynthaline,

    You guys keep getting hung up on the word “sexuality” and I’m telling you, I don’t believe she means actual sex. Also, last year, she distinctly used the word “seduce” (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-03-26/game-of-thrones-sophie-turner-sansa-will-begin-to-manipulate-in-series-four) which DOES equate to sex, and…as we all know, she didn’t have sex with Petyr. Don’t get so caught up on her words, peeps. I swear, people have been having MELTDOWNS over this “sexuality” comment and it’s like…calm down (not YOU, but some of the people on Tumblr, for example).

    The only “spoilery” comment I deduced from all of Sophie Turner’s interviews at SDCC is that she doesn’t kill Petyr this season (i.e. because of her comment, “I want to kill someone,” at the panel). Seems to me that this season will pretty much be a continuation of last season; a lot of monologues from Baelish and Sansa taking it all in (and perhaps making some moves of her own).

  49. moonlightof1982
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    RosanaZugey:
    moonlightof1982,

    Sana’s didn’t leave with Petyr because she had the better–and more desired–option of marrying Loras and being the Lady of The Reach. That was what she wanted and it got ruined when Littlefinger told the Lannisters about it. If he cared about what was “best” for her, he should have let her marry Loras. That would have effectively gotten her out of Kings Landing AND allowed her to live “happily ever after” with the man she’s wanted since Season 1.

    As a side, I don’t dislike Littlefinger. I appreciate and admire his ability to mastermind and carry out elaborate schemes to his own end. But, that’s my point. These things are to HIS own end and not for the sake of anyone else’s ‘good’ (especially not for Sansa’s). That’s the reason I have a problem with this notion that he helped or saved Sansa. He didn’t. HE put her in all of these various predicaments so that he can use her for whatever his endgame is (which I personally think is to sit on the Iron Throne and have her as his queen. But that’s just my hypothesis). There’s not some sort of romantic love story going on here. They’re both using each other (to what end…WHO KNOWS), and in that lies the very heart of their relationship, imo.

    Also, I think you’re right. I think even show Petyr is smart enough to figure out that she’s playing him if she suddenly goes sexual with him (which I don’t think she’ll do). Sophie’s use of “Sexuality” could easily be substituted by saying, “Femininity” or “Feminine wiles” and it would convey the same point she’s trying to make (i.e. that she’s going to play to his desire for her to get whatever she’s trying to get from him). I think she’ll play him by offering up his childhood dream; she’ll promise to marry him (once “the imp” dies) and therefore fulfill his lifelong dream of marrying Cat and having kids with her. He can’t have Cat now, but he can have the next best thing (her) and that’s what she’s going to offer him. That will be her use of “sexuality” in my opinion.

    Happily ever after with Loras??? Are you serious??? First of all, as you know, Loras is gay. And no disrespect to the members of the Gay and Lesbian community, but a gay man and a straight woman is a recipe for disaster. She would have been devastated to find that out and would have been trapped and bitter in a loveless marriage. Just like she was with Tyrion. He was right not to let her marry Loras, and in the book The Tyrells were using Sansa as well!

    As for what you say about Baelish, he is acting alot out of his own interest, but at the end of the third Sansa chapter in FEAST, makes a reference to The Three Queens! I think he is trying to make Sansa Queen in the North! That is for her benefit, even more than his.

    And as I said before, Petyr is too smart to fall for sexual manipulation of a teenage girl. As much as I’m proud of Sansa for stepping into her power as a young woman, Baelish has been in his power for years. No one can work it better than Baelish. I hope that she is not stupid enough to make an enemy out of him. If he can take Joffrey down… She better not get on his bad side! Littlefinger will never be Sansa’s bitch!

  50. Charles
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    Annara Snow: She can’t, actually, even if they wanted to get her naked (which I doubt anyway), because her character is underage. It’s not just the actors’ ages they have to think of, according to the rules it’s also the character.

    GoT wiki is wrong. Sansa is 15 in the show. She can’t be 16 because she was still 14 during her wedding, and there wasn’t much time between that and the RW, and between the RW and the start of season 4.

    As for the show “sexualizing a 16-year old girl” (or a 15-year old girl), maybe you’ve used the wrong word, but girls and boys of that age are already sexual by themselves, a developing sexuality is one of the main characteristics of adolescence. The problem is whether they are going to show her as a sexual being who has her own desires, fantasies, feelings, agency, or only a sexual object who is there to be ogled by viewers or in-universe by Littlefinger and others.

    I agree. I hope we will see those qualities of hers. But, to be fair, goodness and empathy are not characteristics that would help anyone deal with Littlefinger.

    She can get naked. Its only a problem in Britain (and nowhere else i think) if the character is below 16 and they can easily say she is 16. No one could possibly believe she looks younger than 16. Most people think Sophie looks in her twenties…

    I dont think they’ll have sex (plotwise) but there just might be some skin from Sophie (not that likely but certainly not impossible)
    Most of all though Sophie seems totally cool with edgy stuff.

    Sansa Bird:
    Sophie has said multiple times she wouldn’t do “certain things” on the show, implying she wouldn’t be okay with being undressed or in a sex scene, so all the fanboys can calm down now. Just because she’s hit some magical number doesn’t mean it’s okay to objectify her or that she’ll immediately be okay with some gratuitous sex scene.

    Link please. Cause i sure cant recall such remarks.

  51. Grynthaline
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Annara Snow:

    GoT wiki is wrong. Sansa is 15 in the show. She can’t be 16 because she was still 14 during her wedding, and there wasn’t much time between that and the RW, and between the RW and the start of season 4.

    Hmm, I thought it meant that throghout most of the season she was 15, but by the last few episodes she turned 16, since her story seems to move faster compared to the other characters. But if her storyline is more or less in the same timeline as others instead of a bit jumbled up, then I agree it makes sense that she’s 15.

    Annara Snow:

    As for the show “sexualizing a 16-year old girl” (or a 15-year old girl), maybe you’ve used the wrong word, but girls and boys of that age are already sexual by themselves, a developing sexuality is one of the main characteristics of adolescence. The problem is whether they are going to show her as a sexual being who has her own desires, fantasies, feelings, agency, or only a sexual object who is there to be ogled by viewers or in-universe by Littlefinger and others.

    Maybe I used the word wrong then, I meant them overtly sexualizing her, since they’d be vamping her up as opposed to showing a healthy romantic or sexual development. She would be the ultimate fantasy of Littlefinger, a more beautiful copy of Cat who also likes to play the game, manipulate, and even seduce. If she would be playing up to this desire of him throghout 90% of her scenes next season, it would be sickening since Sansa has been subjected to sexual abuse as well as physical abuse. It would make no sense whatsoever for her to be suddenly comfortable with this. Just my 2cents.

  52. Annara Snow
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    Grynthaline: Hmm, I thought it meant that throghout most of the season she was 15, but by the last few episodes she turned 16, since her story seems to move faster compared to the other characters. But if her storyline is more or less in the same timeline as others instead of a bit jumbled up, then I agree it makes sense that she’s 15.

    Well her season 4 arc was: depressed after the Red Wedding (not much time has passed since, maybe a few weeks up to a month, tops), Joffrey dies and she flees, LF takes her to the Eyrie, she meets Lysa and Robin; a little later the snow castle scene happens and Lysa dies. The trial is shortly after. The only possible time gap is between her arrival in the Eyrie and Lysa’s death, and this also can’t be a long period of time.

    The show also seems to be chronological, and we’re meant to think everything we see in the episode is happening at the same time (no matter how wibbly wobbly their timeline is, with strangely short voyages across the continent etc.).

  53. Charles
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Agreed with that. Her character cant be more than 15 realistically.
    However if they really wanted to do something like that they could also simply have her say she was 16 (or even 18)… as Alayne. Of course Sansa would be 15 but that would be ‘good enough’ i am sure.
    It remains to be seen what the sexuality entails. Fact is we dont know what’s going to happen (!!) so… Sophie might easily have exaggerated things a bit to draw people in for the new season?!

  54. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Sophie is so young that I feel an overt sexualization of Sansa would be inappropriate. Not very comfortable with this.

  55. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Sansa’s also been cautious since her father was killed. The perception of her as naive and stupid is an unfortunate holdover from season 1. Ever since, she’s been really good at staying alive (even her enthusiasm about marrying Loras was smart, as it was her chance to escape KL. Caution is a key to her character and her survival. Early in season 2, Tyrion even telegraphs this by stating “you may survive us all” when Sansa professes her love for Joffrey after the humiliating throne room scene. Sansa got smart quick after Ned’s death. That’s when she started becoming a strong woman, not this season.

  56. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    And it’s exactly that caution that propelled her to stand up for Baelish. The Lords Declarant are unknown to her, and their response to the truth is unpredictable. Siding with Baelish, at this point, is the most cautious option. For now. From her point of view, increasing her power and influence is likely the best way to secure her own survival. And if Baelish ends up an obstacle to that, she’ll drop him. She’s the character with the most underrated intelligence in the whole series.

  57. Kells
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    I think if there is any very brief nudity, maybe a butt or stepping out of a bath in front of LF, it will probably be a body double anyway. Gwen used a body double, if I recall correctly.
    I don’t have a problem with Sansa becoming sexual character as she grows up, on her own terms. I’m just not interested in Sansa becoming the femme fatale trope. And, as obsessed as he may be with Cat, and now Sansa, I just don’t see LF falling for it. Exploiting it, yes, but falling under a seductive Sansa spell? No.

  58. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Couldn’t agree more. If Sansa’s arc primarily involves her sexually manipulating Baelish for the next three seasons, I might have to stop watching (despite my strong belief that the show is thus far a better work if art than the books).

  59. Hodorkovski
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Kells: I just don’t see LF falling for it. Exploiting it, yes, but falling under a seductive Sansa spell? No.

    I agree. It takes more than flashing a bit of skin to seduce a man who owns brothels, and is not exactly new to that sort of thing.

  60. Annara Snow
    Posted July 30, 2014 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Hodorkovski: I agree. It takes more than flashing a bit of skin to seduce a man who owns brothels, and is not exactly new to that sort of thing.

    He isn’t obsessed with any of the prostitutes who work for him. He IS obsessed with Sansa. She doesn’t have to do much to manipulate him sexually. I don’t think she even needs to show much skin (Catelyn wouldn’t, would she?) – she just needs to make him think he’s got a chance with her and that she may eventually want to be his lover/wife, while not letting his advances go too far. It’s a dangerous game, but one that a smart woman can play, especially if she is good at hiding her feelings and maintaining enough of a reserved and ladylike exterior combined with subtle flirtation to tease a man just enough.

  61. Hodorkovski
    Posted July 31, 2014 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    I agree. It takes more than flashing a bit of skin to seduce a man who owns brothels, and is not exactly new to that sort of thing.

    Annara Snow: She doesn’t have to do much to manipulate him sexually. I don’t think she even needs to show much skin (Catelyn wouldn’t, would she?)

    I think we are in agreement. I was just expressing my support to Kells, who was wishing they don’t make Sansa into some kind of “femme fatale trope”, or milk her transformation for some soft core nudity (this being a HBO show).

    Peter Baelish is a very dangerous man, who has, so far, outplayed pretty much everyone in the only game he considers worth playing. When it comes to sex and nudity, he has seen it all (remembering the infamous Roz-schooling scene in Season 1, which gave rise to the term ‘sexposition’).

    - It might be possible for Sansa to manipulate him emotionally, making use of her resemblance to Cat.
    - It would be unrealistic and out-of-character for Littlefinge to act blindly following his sexual desires.

    And, you’re right, in general, men do not become obsessed with women who are too ‘easy’.

  62. pilar
    Posted July 31, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982,

    Littlefinger has been there scheming his way to sansa from the beginning. I dont think he has god intentions for her, she is just another piece to move, one he is very atracted to, one that remind him of his only love, but once piece all along. He only wants her because she is the key to the north, and he already has control over the vale if he controls sansa he controls the north, and therefore, two of the seven kingdoms. For Petyr everything is about getting up that ladder, and sansa is just another step, as Lysa was.

  63. pilar
    Posted July 31, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    moonlightof1982,

    She decided to stay because the Tyrells had offered her to marry the heir to Highgarden, she told that to that “Florian” of her, and he told Petyr, which told Cersei about it, and then boom, ruined. Sansa marries Tyrion and cannot leave Kings Landing. Littlefinger schemes with the Tyrells to kill Joffrey and to frame Sansa into it.

  64. Queencest
    Posted August 2, 2014 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    RosanaZugey,

    amen brotha!

  65. Tiffany Kosa
    Posted August 3, 2014 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    The muffin top in the background is hilarious!

  66. Young Herschel
    Posted August 4, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    RosanaZugey,

    I think Sansa Stark wants to get more POWER know that she has a taste for it after episode 8 and that she knows that those with POWER can use it to save lives. I also believes she wants to get as much POWER as she can so she can avenge her family as well as preserve her future. She is my most favorite character and has been since the Season 2 Finale. She doesn’t get enough air time and I hope that know that she is an adult that HBO will let her take wing and fly . . . not just sexually but dramatically

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