Cersei Lannister Game of Thrones Speculation

Fan theory corner: Could Cersei Lannister be Gendry’s real mother?

Warning: Post contains spoilers for Game of Thrones season 7 and A Song of Ice and Fire.

You will make kings rise and fall.

— Melisandre to Gendry, “The Bear and the Maiden Fair”

It’s no secret that Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss have taken some liberties in adapting George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire series for the screen. Mance Rayder’s death, Sansa’s story in season 5, and pretty much everything having to do with Dorne are markedly different from the source material, and it’s not a stretch to imagine the show has made some alterations we’re not yet aware of.

Gendry, Arya Stark’s best friend and an all-round fan favorite, also underwent changes in the transition from page to screen. In the books, his character remains with the Brotherhood without Banners after Arya is kidnapped by the Hound, and even saves Brienne of Tarth during a fight in A Feast for Crows. In the show, Gendry’s storyline was combined with that of Edric Storm, another of King Robert Baratheon’s bastards. When we last saw him, he was rowing away from Dragonstone after Davos sprung him from prison in the season 3 finale. Should he row back onto our screens this summer, we may learn more surprises about him.

We have one surprise in particular in mind. Today, we explore the theory that Gendry is actually the true-born son of Cersei Lannister.

Her black-haired beauty

In season 1’s “The Kingsroad,” Cersei visits Catelyn Stark during Catelyn’s vigil at the bedside of her son, Brandon, whom Jaime had attempted to murder. She offers her sympathies to Catelyn and speaks of her first born son, a “black-haired beauty” who died shortly after his birth.

This scene marks a rare moment of tenderness for Cersei. She displays all the appearances of grief and gives us no reason to doubt that she had a son with King Robert, and that he died.

In the books, Cersei never mentions any child besides the three she had with Jaime, so we’re restricting ourselves to the show here. Could this child have been Gendry?

To start, Cersei mentions that the baby looked like Robert. The teenaged Gendry we meet also looks like Robert — when Ned Stark meet him in “Cripples, Bastards, and Broken Things,” he immediately deduces that Gendry is Robert’s son. (The same thing happens when Stannis meets him in “Second Sons.”) Of course, children look like their parents, so that doesn’t prove anything.

Cersei also recalls that she never visited her lost child in his crypt, which seems odd given what a passionate mother she is. Also, Cersei never mentions the child’s name. Could this have been a deliberate move on the part of the writers to keep his identity a secret?

None of this even resembles anything conclusive, but let’s go with it. Supposing Gendry is Cersei’s, why would she send him away, and how did she manage it?

The birth

Cersei had a complicated relationship with Robert Baratheon, her king and husband. In “The Wolf and the Lion,” she admits to him that she “felt something for you once, even after we lost our first boy. For quite a while, actually.” Before long, that something was gone, and Cersei renewed her romance with her twin brother Jaime, if she’d ever stopped it.

From then on, the very idea of raising a child that wasn’t Jaime’s is repellant to Cersei. Jaime hints at how far she might go when he speaks to Loras Tyrell at Joffrey’s wedding in “The Lion and the Rose”: “If you were to marry Cersei, she’d murder you in your sleep. If you somehow managed to put a child in her first, she’d murder him, too.”

But Jaime isn’t Cersei, and we have a hard time believing that she, someone who’s proved time and again to be a passionate mother despite her cruel streak, would kill one of her own, at least not after she’s held it in her arms. Cersei herself explains it best when talking to Sansa in “A Man Without Honor.”

Love no one but your children. On that front a mother has no choice.

But while she may have been willing to carry Robert’s baby to term, that doesn’t mean she wanted to raise it, particularly with her jealous brother and lover around. She would have been faced with two choices: keep the baby and raise him as Robert’s heir, or send the child away and await the birth of his replacement.

Assuming that Cersei wanted to hide Robert’s child from him, how would she do it? During her conversation with Catelyn Stark in “The Kingsroad,” she mentions that Robert Baratheon was present when their son’s body was taken away. “They came to take his body away, and Robert held me…A little bundle.” So how could Cersei have sent her living child away without Robert finding out? Again, we look to Cersei’s conversation with Sansa for insight:

Whenever my time was near, my royal husband would flee to the trees with his huntsmen and his hounds. And when he returned, he would present me with some pelts or a stag’s head, and I would present him with a baby.

With Robert away hunting and the simpering Maester Pycelle — once her loyal servant — at her disposal, it would have been easy for Cersei to exchange her healthy, living son for a dying one. (Recall that, in A Dance with Dragons, Varys claims to have switched Aegon V Targaryen, Rhaegar’s son, with another baby shortly before the Mountain killed Rhaegar’s family, so infant swaps have happened in this story.) She could present this child to Robert when he returned from the hunt. In the meantime, Cersei’s son would grow up close to the Red Keep where — although Cersei would not be in his life — she could keep an eye on him.

The blacksmith’s apprentice

Gendry grew up as a Fleabottom peasant, yet he managed to land a job with the most prestigious armorer in King’s Landing. How did he come to be noticed by Master Mott?

In A Game of Thrones, we learn that Mott took Gendry on as an apprentice after a mysterious man paid him double the customary apprentice fee. The man concealed his identity, which sounds like something Varys would do. In any case, it’s clear that someone high up was helping Gendry. The question is who.

The most obvious choice is Robert himself.* But Robert never showed much concern for his bastards, at least on the show. In the books, he openly acknowledges Edric Storm, but that’s only because he was born to a noblewoman. He also expresses interest in bringing Mya Stone, who lives in the Vale, to court, but Cersei talks him out of it. Cersei would have had even more power over Robert’s decision-making with regards to his bastards when, like Gendry, they lived in the city. When Ned Stark visits Robert’s bastard daughter, Barra, in Petyr Baelish’s brothel (“The Wolf and the Lion”), it’s made clear that Robert has no interest in her. This also explains why — if Gendry is a true bastard — he was never made aware of father’s identity.

If, however, Gendry is Robert and Cersei’s legitimate son, his mother could have secured his placement. Through Varys or another proxy, she had the power to seek the assistance of Master Mott without having to disclose that Gendry was her son. As for Robert, he either wouldn’t have known of Gendry’s existence or been so overrun with bastard children that Gendry blended in with the rest.

The departure from King’s Landing

Prior to his arrest, Ned Stark visits with Cersei and confirms that he knows the truth of her children’s parentage. (“You Win or You Die.”) After Ned’s death, Stannis spreads that information around the Seven Kingdoms, and Joffrey sends the Gold Cloaks to murder all of his father’s bastards. (“The North Remembers”) Cersei confirms this during a conversation with Tyrion (“The Night Lands”). In between these events, Gendry is sent to join the Night’s Watch for no apparent reason. In “Fire and Blood,” Gendry tells Arya that his master got sick of him and sent him away, which is strange. We know that he is a talented blacksmith, so why would his master send him away? It was wartime, and good steel was needed.

It’s possible that a third party, sensing a purge of Robert’s bastards might be coming, arranged for Gendry’s departure, but who? Ned, Robert and Jon Arryn were all dead. But Cersei, more than anyone, knew what Joffrey was capable of. If she is Gendry’s mother, she could have tried to protect him by instructing Master Mott to send him away. We know that she doesn’t consider the Wall to be a dangerous place and that her attitude towards the Night’s Watch is dismissive (“The Night Lands”). It may well have seemed like a safe destination for her secret son. (In the books, it’s suggested that Cersei herself, rather than Joffrey, ordered the murder of Robert’s bastards. Although Cersei never mentions a black-haired son in the books, that makes Gendry’s conveniently-time exodus from King’s Landing even more mysterious.)

In recent months, spoilers have suggested that Gendry will be back  in season 7. Davos freed Gendry from Stannis Baratheon’s dungeons on Dragonstone shortly before Joffrey’s death. Before Gendry rowed away, Davos instructed him to return to King’s Landing (“Valar Morghulis”). We don’t know when or if Gendry got back, but if he returned and Cersei learned of it, she didn’t say anything, distracted as she was with Joffrey’s death. And in any case, it would suit her just fine to know that her secret child was alive and well, but harboring no intentions to claim his right to the throne.

The Prophecy

One counterargument to the theory that Cersei is Gendry’s mother involves the prophecy made by Maggy the Frog in “The Wars to Come.” Maggy tells Cersei that the king will have twenty children, and she will have three, which she does: Joffrey, Mrycella, and Tommen. Of course, a cornerstone of prophecies is that they are mutable, depending on the actions of the people they concern. Cersei’s three children may simply refer to the three children that she acknowledged. Whether Gendry is her son or not, he is not her child in name, nor has she made any overtures of acceptance towards him. Her decisions may have fulfilled the terms of the prophecy.

In any case, if Melisandre’s words are true, and Gendry makes kings rise and fall, it is not likely he’ll do so as a lowly bastard. Legitimacy, by birth or by decree, could well lie in his future.

Do you think it’s possible that Gendry could be Cersei’s son? Tell us what you think in the comments.

*Another choice is Jon Arryn, but that doesn’t really help our argument, does it?

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      • Yea his purpose is to keep the Baratheon name alive when he’s legitimized by Dany. Because right now house Baratheon is extinct.

          • Without knowing every single detail between a and b why Dany would legitimize Gendry I would say it would have something to do with him doing something for her. We already know he’s with the group that goes beyond the wall. It will probably be a favor to Jon via his most trusted advisor Davos. Davos served Stannis loyally for years and we know he has a soft spot for Gendry. I agree with you that his blacksmith skills will play a part in fighting the Others. I’ve always believed that.

          • Tobho Mott is known in the lore to be one of the few being able to work Valyrian steel. He is from Qohor, blacksmiths there apparently use blood magic and the sorts. Surely something Gendry learned can be useful.

    • I agree, Davos. I quit reading after Varys is the one who paid Mott. It’s obvious in both the book and show that Mott was speaking about Jon Arryn, not Varys or anyone else.

    • Yeah, at this point the level of navel gazing is absurd.
      Its like people are racing to make a theory, disregarding sich inconvenient things like facts and rationality.
      Theory:Jon and Gendry Twins?
      Theory: Danearys is actually the princess Rhaenys.
      Theory: Jon will become the nights king.
      Theory:Sansa will become queen of westeros.
      Theory:Tyrion is a Targ.
      Half the theories are just bad fan fiction being posited as theories.
      Theory:Gendry is Cersei’s son and true heir to the throne.
      I actually wonder if the real reason G.RR.M doesn’t finish the books is because he’s scared of offending the countless people who’d be upset if Cersei doesn’t become queen regent and Tyrion doesn’t ride a dragon or Jon actually become king of westeros. I’m not saying he does these things just he probably fears the baclash if he should. Including a dozen other posibilities.

      • From what I have seen of his interviews, Martin doesn’t fear backlash from anyone. He is very adamant that he writes for himself and has little concern for what fans want to see happen, which is exactly how a writer should operate.

        As for this theory, it definitely only applies to the show in my opinion. There’s no argument for it in the books, but we know that D&D are deviating in several areas.

  • This is something I actually expect to happen. Why? Well, my sweet summer child.. let me tell you..

    The books and the show like to play things out in a harmonic fashion, the books more than the show but I’ll give everyone a noticeable example. S6, Olly has no speaking lines. He grunts once as he tries to attack Tormund. Jon, aware of his partaking in killing him, hangs him and kills him. “I hanged a boy younger than Bran.” He’s referring to Olly, but who else is younger than Bran? Rickon. Rickon too had no speaking lines, spare a grunt when he took an arrow through the chest as Jon tried to save him. Jon was punished in this fashion and so were viewers for calling for the killing of a misguided boy. Beside the fact, I digress.

    Ned confronted Cersei in S1 about her children’s true parentage and for the most part these events are straight from the page. “I love my children.” “And they’re all Jamie’s.” Not so fast. The black haired beauty would have been Cersei’s eldest child and heir to the throne. My guess is the love she had for Robert lasted until this child’s birth and she redevotes herself to her family and has the child sent away. In the books Gendry has this missing link aura to him and talks of a mother with golden hair. Jon Snow also a bastard has no real recollection of his mother other than some second hand stories.

    Ned, the beloved Lord whom everyone wanted to be the story’s true hero, protected Jon for his own good.

    Cersei, could very well have the same humility and have sent Gendry away, as to not keep her bound to Robert for life. Selfish, but the humility comes when she believes Joffrey might kill all the bastard children and she has him sent away to the wall, similar to Ned allowing Jon to go to the wall and knowing he would be most safe there.

    I dream of a scene in the suggested “big meeting” of Cersei meeting Gendry letting him know she is his mother and being punished with this miscarriage as she mishandled the life of her eldest child (another spoiler suggestion).

    For the Magy the Frog issues, three kids you’ll have, gold their crowns and shroud yeah yeah yeah. The books and shows have told us for years and seasons that there are 6 Stark children, yet in reality there are only 5. In reality, there are only 3 children Cersei ever truly has and Gendry is a bastard as long as the world wants him to be.

    • When asked how many children she would have Maggie the Frog said . You will have 3 the king will have 20.
      Since ligitimacy wasn’t a factor when counting its safe to assume that Cersei only had three children.

  • The problem with this theory is that TV Gendry has a memory of his mother – a woman with golden blond hair. People often sight this when they discuss the theory but the question is how would Gendry have this memory . If this woman is Cersie it would suggest she was present in the first years of his life as memories are not retained in early life. Why then would Cersie give up her child, pretend he is dead – not to mention how she pulls this off – then continues to mother him. It is to complicated.

    • I don’t really see this as a problem. Had Cersei given birth to Gendry and had him taken away, he would likely have been raised by a woman whom he thought to be his mother, and she just happened to be blonde. Operating on the assumption that Cersei is his mother, she would have made sure that he was given to a woman who could take care of him. He wouldn’t have been left by himself.

    • Book Cersei used the disguise of a tavern wench to sneak out to visit Jamie unnoticed over the years from as young as 15, they reference it a few times. I think it’s plausible she used the same disguise to visit Gendry, since it’s been made clear that Cersei’s one redeeming quality if nothing else, is her love for her children. D&D could be referencing the disguise as a nod. If the theory holds true and he is true born this could fill in the gap where the memories came from.

    • He quite possibly could have been TOLD this information as a small child asking questions. “TV Gendry” never specifies that he himself has a visual memory of his mother.

  • Cersei would most likely give her dark haired child away to fool Robert into thinking all his children were born blonde like her so he wouldn’t suspect anything (like them not being his children). I doubt she ever stopped her affair with Jamie and, seeing as they’re both blonde, Cersei could only assume their children would be!

    • The show also messed up on Shireen. Ned’s main reason for discovering Cersei’s deception is the book of Houses stated every child and adult in the Baretheon family line had dark hair of black. That is what led him to conclude Joffrey was Jamie’s. Yet, a black haired Stanis Baretheon and a black hair Selyse had a daughter with blonde hair or at least dirty blonde hair i.e. not jet black. Oops.

  • And why wouldn’t Maggy count Cersei’s unacknowledged child, while she did count Robert’s?
    He so did not acknowledge 20 bastards.
    Stop it, guys. Seriously.

    • because if you read the books you would realize the show made some incredibly out of nowhere proclamation about cersei’s black haired child and literally couldn’t be more out of text UNLESS it was relevant to the story as a whole.

      • It was relevant to the story. It was the first foreshadowing to hint that Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen weren’t Robert’s children, because if they were, they’d have dark hair. The show invented the first child to help Ned (and the audience) realise the truth, given that deduction was the driving force behind Ned’s death. It wasn’t out of nowhere at all.

  • In the books Cersei implies that she did conceive a child by Robert, but had herself cleansed. In the show who knows as they have departed from the books. They could make Gendry a son of Cersei and Robert. If so she could make him her heir. If neither Jon or Dany survive the coming battle it would Westeros a leader following the battle for the dawn.

  • Cersi only wanted to have Jaime children, not Robert heirs. I hardly doubt that Cersi would visit her and Robert child, and Gendry would had to be over five or six to remember any features of his mother.

  • I suppose it’s plausible. Robert beat his hands bloody when their newborn son was dying. She told Cat he looked just like Robert. Pycelle has always served the Lannisters first, so I suppose it’s possible Pycelle tricked Robert into thinking the boy would die or was dead, only to have him taken away to make sure Cersei could have children with Jaime. Perhaps Jaime even suggested as much. “What do you think Robert will do when he realizes all his children look like him except for the ones we’re gonna make together. You know they’ll be blonde & beautiful. Our heads will be on spikes. You need to ditch this baby.” So in the books she has an abortion, but for the show, they’ll make what I just suggested as canon and Gendry would be the true born heir. I mean Robert had tons of bastards; so why is Gendry so much more important to the story than the others? Making him Cersei’s child adds so many more layers to the story; whether it be Jaime’s & Cersei’s relationship and just how far they were willing to go for “the things we do for love” to Gendry being the rightful heir to the throne. And it is interesting just how it came to pass that he joined the Night’s Watch at just the right time. Curious. I don’t think it’s as far fetched a theory as others do. At first I did, but it’s at least plausible. Can’t wait to see him swing that war hammer regardless.

    • You wrote: “… Gendry being the rightful heir to the throne. And it is interesting just how it came to pass that he joined the Night’s Watch at just the right time.”
      When did Gendry join the Night’s Watch? In the show, he was last seen rowing away from Dragonstone, heading for King’s Landing. In the books, he was with the Brotherhood.

      • Yeah, but to be fair, he was ‘harvested’ by Yoren and destined for the NW, before things started going tits up…

  • Now just imagine if psycho Joffrey hadn’t screwed everything up by executing Ned??? We would have had Ned, Jon, & Gendry all at the wall. Jon & Gendry would be a reunion of the Targaryen & Baratheon cousins that made such a great team in the past. And after the War for Dawn, what a love triangle that would have been between the two over Arya the She Wolf… Could history have ultimately repeat itself with another rebellion because a Targaryen & Baratheon loved the same Stark girl??? Oh the possibilities for books 8, 9, & 10… 😜

    • Love this! But perhaps one of the reasons we love ASOIF is because the characters act so very much like real people, ie *irrational*. One useless arch-duke and his wife were assassinated, bringing on WWI. Severe reparations following the war all but destroyed Germany, creating a fertile field for ultra-nationalists, WWII and the Holocaust. Said Holocaust creating the final necessary impetus to founding the state of Israel.
      Similar stories can be told about almost every event in human history. We are Chaos Theory personified, and nowhere is that better illustrated than the ASOIF series.
      As much as we try to plan and prepare, someone else’s idiotic behavior will inevitably screw it up.

  • A really foolish notion. Having Gendry around as a legitimate heir, one that even Stannis and Renly cannnot deny, would have simplified everything for Cersei. Robert would have taken pride in him, spent time with him. No one would have worried about the younger kids.

    A major reason for disaster was that the Baratheons and a lot of others, including Ned Stark, realized that Joffrey was illegitimate. Had it been Gendry there, there would have been no show.
    Ned would not have created an issue, would not have gone to the wall. Gendry would have married Sansa and I bet made her happy. And THEIR children would have Baratheon, Stark, Lannister genes.

    Also, Robert would likely have lived longer and made certain there was no problem turning over the dynasty to Gendry.

    Very nice…too boring for a show. But nice.

  • No.

    Gendry is Azor Ahai.

    No question about that. That will be the twist no one see coming.

    Except for me.

    So thank me, now!

  • As a show only theory this theory is possible. The show had to be economical and combine characters and story lines in a way that thoroughly changed some characters. Sansa doubling as Jayne Poole’s Fake Arya from the books for example. Gendry’s character has already been combined with Erdric Storm. If the show makes Gendry Cersi’s child, the show can adapt a version of the Fake Aegon storyline into the series. We have the baby switch and third rival with a legitimate claim to the Iron Throne. The Dragon has three heads.

  • “Born from smoke and salt”

    Salt -> That is what a blacksmith uses to temper steel
    Smoke -> Obvious

    Blacksmith. Gendry.

    Anyone….??

  • Hey, I’m still reeling from the show’s decision to make Cersei a “loving mother who cares for her children”… In the books, particularly the narrative from her own point of view, she clearly prefers the sadistic, hot tempered Joffrey to meek little Tommen – and Myrcella is nothing more than a girl. Meh.

    Moreover, even if the showrunners have decided to make Gendry Waters a legitimate Baratheon by birth, why would anyone expect it was CERSEI who had him spirited away to the Wall? Particularly after sending the gold cloaks out to bring him back (or kill him)? Much more likely it was Varys, in both the books and the show.

  • I’ve often speculated that Gendry was hers but she didn’t know and someone else (Varys?) took the child away to protect him from her. I’m probably wrong but….

  • Why does everyone assume that if Gendry is Cersei’s son, that SHE is the one who sent him away? Why couldn’t the story be that somebody ELSE took the baby and told Cersei the boy had died?

  • I’ve heard this theory, but Sarah laid it out beautifully and more convincingly than others. I finally came around to it recently after watching some Youtube theorists and mostly for the reasons mentioned. But on my recent Season 2 re-watch I noticed how disturbed Cersei was when Tyrion revealed Joffrey had ordered Robert’s bastards killed. She turned her back to him (and us), probably to hide the emotions on her face, but her posture was somewhat tormented. Tyrion was surprised at her reaction. Then she rounded on him, sounding off about the difficulties of ruling and said, “This is what ruling is: lying on a bed of weeds, ripping them out by the root one by one before they strangle you while you sleep”. Interesting, especially “weeds” (an unwanted child?) and “root”, which certainly implied connection. And her words may connote that despite all her careful planning, one of her offspring had ‘strangled’ the life of another.

    So, assuming Gendry was hers and therefore the heir whilest the IT belongs to Baratheons, why would Dany legitimise him? To have the Stormlands on her side. She probably would do so with the proviso that as long as she or her legitimate Targaryen heirs live, neither he nor his heirs can claim the IT. And he would agree. If Jon and Dany don’t survive the war, the implications for that are tremendous. Moreover, even if one or both live, this has major implications for the heroes of this story. If Gendry and Arya survive, their friendship/puppy love could well lead to marriage. But he would be GEndry of House Baratheon and thus deemed worthy of Lady Stark, not that Arya cares much about titles. And he would finally get to call her ‘My lady’ in a different sense. No doubt, they would be very unconventional lord and lady. And if by chance they attain the throne, they would be very unconventional rulers and probably as responsive to the needs of the small folk as the great. But they will have inherited the bed of weeds in a broken country. Sweet with the bitter, but at least Romeo and Juliet would be proud.

  • I wouldn’t put it past the showrunners to do this, as they don’t seem to care a great deal about plausibility if they think that something onscreen is going to get a reaction from the audience. But it’s a pretty lame scenario, and utterly unnecessary considering that bastards can be legitimized.

  • On my commentary re-watch, I just saw Lena, Mark Addy and Nikolaj chat about The Kingsroad. During the scene where Cersei tells Catelyn about losing her black-haired beauty, Lena was asked if Cersei was telling the truth or lying. She wasn’t sure but thought she was probably telling the truth.
    FWIW, I think it was during the riverside scene where Nymeria saves Arya from Joffrey, one of the three commenters said that in this show even small things could have great repercussions down the road. That was very prescient. Oh, and Lena said that she hoped Arya and Nymeria would meet up again. May she get her wish this year, ojala.

    • Darkstar: Nymeria is leading a giant pack of wolves somewhere in the Riverlands we are told. So just exactly how is this suppose to play out? Is Arya’s direwolf going to leave her pack to go to winterfell with her alone? Or do all the wolves come with her? I see this being better hashed out on the page. I can’t picture how this is going to play out on the show. Remember on the show Arya has completely lost her connection to Nymeria. We didn’t see her have any wolf dreams. Is Nymeria even going to remember what she looks like. I hope so. It’s not smart to sneak up on a pack of wolves. And maybe that’s how it plays out on the screen. Or perhaps she can’t escape the Frey castle grounds and is about to be attacked when Nymeria & the pack come to her rescue. You know how D&D love their “Deus et Machina” scenarios. Brienne has had two good ones. One handed Jaime saving her from a bear & Brienne coming to Sansa & Theon’s rescue and basically taking out a pack of hounds & several Bolton soldiers by herself. I don’t know what became of those hounds. Blood spilling everywhere & they just vanish. You had BenJen saving Bran & Meera. Drogon coming to Danys rescue in the pit. That one I’ll attribute to GRRM. But you get my drift. Sorry Sarah to stray off topic. But I gave my thoughts on your well hashed out theory that until now I was very dismissive of. Stilll think it’s unlikely, but certainly not implausible as far as the shows concerned. It could be a Pisswater Prince replacement story or mash up or whatever you want to call taking Aegon’s story and giving it to a character we are already familiar with. PS: I wish they had given us Young Griff’s storyline. Until the omission, this was the story I was anticipating the most. “What about her dragons?” “I’m the only dragon you need.” Awesome line.

  • Strange enough I wouldn’t mind if this theory came true, when it comes to Gendry I don’t mind the plot deviation from the books as it has only increased his status in the show.

    Being sold out by the Brotherhood and going to Dragonstone has made him aware of his Baratheon heritage, when he returns next season he may have come to terms with this to some degree. If this theory comes true it will shake him to the core and question his own existence, and this revelation would match Jon Snow’s discovering his true heritage.

  • Having not read any of the Comments before mine in this due to time shortness right now but the need to comment.
    I do not believe it will turn out that Gendry is Cersei’s but I have always wished he was. However I saw it more a secret from both his parents. That Jon Arryn hid him seeing their marriage failing and Jaime’s jealous streak to his sister and her reproduction. I always thought if there was a dark child his death was the nail in her marriage to Robert – like fate was telling her she was meant to be with Jaime not Robert.
    I always thought he may indeed be his mother’s redemption somehow if he were a hidden heir. I thought however it would come too late for her to change much.
    As to Maggie and her prediction: Witches followed the old Gods and Wildlings do not name children for two years as they are not considered worth a name until then as too many children die in infancy that they are not alive almost until they are two. Gilly tells Jon to not name her son until he is two. So Maggie may not have counted the child and after he ‘died’ he was no longer Cersei’s son… who knows. It is a nice thought but probably not reality. A nice dream though, until GOT rips it’s throat out.

  • Gendry is important to the on-going story as he one of only a very few who knows how to forge Valyrian steel. As for the rest of it, eh, not sure. It’s compelling, but we will have to wait and see!

  • I get it, but I don’t really buy it, primarily because there’s no real support for it in the books, and I don’t think the producers would create something this huge if it wasn’t a part of the books.

    Of course, since book 6 isn’t seemingly going to come out any time soon, I could be totally wrong.

  • This could be the third big revelation George gave D&D (other than Shireen’s death and Hodor’s origin).

    Other than her penis envy, this could also help explain why Cersi likes to wear armor (like her breastplate during the Battle of BlackwaterBay)– commissioning a new piece would’ve been an excuse to go see her son while she’s customizing her design.

    Also, would make Gendry’s inferiority complex about Arya being a lady even more ironic.

  • Nah. When the first child was born, I think Cersei was still into Robert and would have been happy to have his child. I think her hatred towards him grew over time.

    • Cersei’s hatred began on their wedding night when he climbed on top of her and called her Lyanna. Cersei would never forgive a slight like that.

  • I have harbored this thought since I rewatched the first season and after reading the books. There is always a reason for what is said and done. Why would that scene even have been in Season 1 if there were not going to be repercussions later on? I actually think it may happen in the books but not in the show. It took six season to find out who Jon Snow’s father was. They have 13 episodes left to enter and develop a major game-changer? Probably not going to happen.

  • People reading too much into her story she tells Cat. She’s just being her usual manipulative self by showing faux concern about Bran. She’s just trying to point the investigation as far away from Jaime and herself.

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