Peter Dinklage wins a Golden Globe!
By Winter Is Coming on in Awards, News.

Peter Dinklage with his Golden Globe
Peter Dinklage continues to clean up this award season! Dinklage won the Golden Globe for best supporting actor for a TV series, mini-series and movie for his portrayal of Tyrion Lannister in Game of Thrones.

His acceptance speech was, once again, largely unplanned. Although he did make a point to thank George R. R. Martin this time around after forgetting to thank him in his Emmy acceptance speech. He also mentioned English actor Martin Henderson, a dwarf who was paralyzed after some idiot attacked him by ‘tossing’ him. A sad story, but cool of Dinklage to give him a shout out. Here’s the vid of his speech:

Unfortunately, Game of Thrones lost in its other cateogry of the night as Homeland won the Golden Globe for best drama series. Ah well, at least we took home one statue tonight.

Winter Is Coming: Big congrats once again to Peter! By the time this show is over, he may have a few more of these. Hopefully we can get a few of the other actors up there in the coming season(s)!


174 Comments

  1. Oddlyotter
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    WOO! I was super happy when he won. Goes to show all the times they snub fantasy shows.

  2. Dave
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    If I was a betting man, I predict Peter will win an Emmy and a Golden Globe for next season for best supporting actor, seeing as Tyrion will play a bigger role than he had on the first season. Unless, they put him in the best actor category where he’s going to be in a much tougher competition.

  3. andrea
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Wic I think you misunderstood that thing about the actor Martin Henderson. Check it out just in case.

  4. surfKraken
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    “…for his role as Non Lanister in games of thrones!?!?!” LOL!!!

    Peter Dinklage rules! A skin of dornish wine for the stud of the year!!!

  5. Langkard
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Congrats to Peter Dinklage. It is well-deserved. Now if they will just start nominating him in the category where he belongs, Best Actor. He’ll take those by storm as well.

  6. Lex
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    HALFMAN! HALFMAN! HALFMAN!

  7. eitatetaata
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Great! So, guys, who do you think will join him in the Emmy/Golden Globe statue winners/nomminees next season? Except for himself again, ’cause that’s a sure thing :P

  8. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    andrea, I did? From the article it certainly sounds like some idiot thought it would be funny to throw him. And that’s what people were saying on Twitter too.

  9. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Congrats to Peter!! So stoked for him.
    The GoT cast is so large, it’s hard to imagine another cast member standing out as much as Peter has. I suspect that in the third/fourth seasons that cover ASOS, we might see one or two others sneak in there.

  10. Hilda
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Congrats to Peter! Sad that GoT didn’t win best drama. Maybe next year!

  11. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    http://youtu.be/lvRj9EBQ1qY

    I’ve located a video clip of Peter’s win. Follow the yellow brick youtube link.

  12. Bro
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Yes, yes and yes! Congrats to the Dinklage. It never crossed my mind that he would win! Big smiles all round then! :) :)

  13. Daniel
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Glad that Peter won, he deserved it! GoT didn’t really stand a chance against Homeland, I watch both and Homeland definitely takes the edge, although I think season 2 of Thrones will win awards.

  14. Bro
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    I meant to say “wouldn’t”. Curse those typos!

  15. Grinbomb
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Congrats to Peter, another well deserved win. I found it funny what the annoucer said, he clearly didn’t figure out the correct pronunciations ahead of time: This is Peter Dinklage’s first nomination and first win as ……. Turlin Lannister…

  16. Mimsy
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    So proud of Peter! Amazing performances.

  17. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 15, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion getting an award from Buffy! Genre showgasm!

  18. DH87
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    If GOT is going head to head against both Homeland and Mad Men, we will be very blessed to see major wins for GOT next year. The critics’ prejudice against fantasy (and costume, sword and sandal/armor epic material) is going to kick in and negate the first-season blush this year afforded. Contemporary drama always wins out over costume epic if they are otherwise equal, and to pit Dinklage against either Jon Hamm or Damien Lewis, both of whom get huge screen time, would be awards suicide.

    Once again, a show that just completed it’s run (Homeland) noses out a show 7–9 months in the past. Let’s enjoy this year’s triumph. If it’s all we get, we will still have scored a great coup.

  19. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    Halfman! For the win!

    On a more serious note: Anyone who tries to toss Tyrion, son of Tywin, will have to contend with Shagga, son of Dolf.

  20. Epic Googlem
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Buffy, who still looks like Buffy, reads Dinklage’s name.
    At his table, people stand and huddle, clapping.
    From its centre catapults the dwarf.
    He burrows a path through wedding table corridors.
    He walks up the steps and accepts the prize from the tallest princess. A scene from Wizard of Oz.
    Dinklage, ever caj, sounds like he is from Toronto even if his mom lives in Jersey.
    Blotched baby sitter joke. Google who?
    It’s past Dustin Hoffman’s bedtime.

  21. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Epic Googlem,

    Everything you said = funny.

    But that is not a Toronto accent.

  22. Epic Googlem
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Follow the yellow brick youtube link.

    Nice.

  23. Lex
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    TEER-lon La-NESTOR? WTF, fire that announcer.

  24. Epic Googlem
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides: Everything you said = funny.

    Cheers! I thought I heard an “aboot” or too.

  25. Galen Firestone
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Hot damn, Peter, well done! Two for two!

    Yet another big win for a very deserving actor.

    What was with that shot of Dustin Hoffman giving absolutely not one &%$# during Peter’s speech? That’s just mean, man.

  26. Ben Watson
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    Lex:
    TEER-lon La-NESTOR? WTF, fire that announcer.

    Yeah, Terlon Annister.

  27. sjwenings
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    A lot of people have to have become curious of this guy that won both the Emmy and the Golden globe. It’s not the same as winning best drama, but Peter should draw in some new viewers for this.

  28. Jess
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    I’m visiting relatives on the other side of the world but I was still religiously checking for golden globes updates! Congrats Peter Dinklage!!! Can’t wait for season 2!!!

  29. Dave Brownell
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    ALRIGHT!!! Way to go Peter!!! I’m glad the most convincing character got the highest of recognition!! Season 2 is going to unlock more of those awards i know, ooh ooh i know :)

  30. m3shwerks
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    What was up with Dustin Hoffman’s disdainful looks while Idris Elba and Peter Dinklage gave their acceptance speeches? Congrats to Peter and GoT!!

  31. Tar Kidho
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 2:40 am | Permalink

    Congrats Peter, very glad for yet another win!!! As I’ve said before, I see this as a recognition rather for the show as a whole than only for PD, so once again also congrats again to the entire HBO team and GRRM!

    One thought crossed my mind as to why GoT might always find it difficult to win Best Drama or the likes: due to some blatantly annoying, sometimes even disgusting sex scenes (even if you don’t agree with that, you know which ones I mean). Without those, GoT’s chances would be much bigger I think. Another thing that in the future could do the show a world of bad in terms of general recognition would be poor cgi, so let’s hope they keep on getting it right in the more challenging seasons to come!

  32. Epic Googlem
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    m3shwerks: What was up with Dustin Hoffman’s disdainful looks while Idris Elba and Peter Dinklage gave their acceptance speeches? Congrats to Peter and GoT!!

    My best guess is he was bored out of his skull my their speeches and didn’t give a shit about pretending to like them.

    Does that work for you or do you have a better explanation?

  33. Tar Kidho
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    Epic Googlem,

    your name is Golden today!

  34. Hear Me Roar
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    Go Dink! Congratulations!

    I am generally very pleased with these GG, even if Homeland won over GoT, it’s a great show. Many other favourites of mine lauded.

  35. Johan Sporre
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    Congratulations to Peter!

    Homeland is next on my watchlist, after I finish off Walking Dead. I have high hopes.

  36. XenkanMonk
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 5:15 am | Permalink

    Great news! Congrats to Peter! It is awsome to see an actor with a disability playing a character with the same disability (and not an able-bodied actor pretending), and getting recognition for it. Plus, you know, fantasy getting mainstream love.

  37. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 5:25 am | Permalink

    My giant of Lannister!

  38. Littlefinger
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 5:32 am | Permalink

    Hey guys unrelated, but I think it was revealed:
    2.01 – ‘Dragonstone’
    2.02 – ‘The Rose of Winterfell’
    2.03 – ‘The Five Kings’

    This may not be true, but sounds interesting…

  39. loco73
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Congrats to Peter and the rest of the people involved with “Game Of Thrones”!!!

    While it IS an honour to be nominated, for a moment there I thought that the Golden Globes people (the Hollywood Foreign Press) had more balls than their cousins over at the Emmy’s, and would justly reward this beautiful show with a most deserved award.

    Alas they choose “Homeland”…a show I’ve been watching over the past couple of weeks, it is good, but nowhere near “Game Of Thrones” in terms of quality of writing, directing and/or acting. Mandy Patinkin, Clare Danes and Damian Lewis shine in “Homeland”, but then I think about Sean Bean, Mark Addy, Lena Headey, Kit Harrington and the acting of some of the other members of the cast, theirs was so rich and multi-layered and I’m sorry to say way above anything the “Homeland” cast brought to the plate…

    For some reason it seems that these “juries” have somekind of phobia when it comes handing awards to sci-fi/fantasy shows and/or movies. The LOTR trilogy, the “Harry Potter” franchise and shows like ‘Battlestar Galactica” helped break those preconceived notions people had about these genres (and in the case of the LOTR trilogy fortunately the rewards/awards were quite handsome!). I would have thought that people had learned something…but it doesnt’ seem so…they continue to hedge their bets on safe, formulaic shows that don’t challenge anykind of viewing norms…hell at lest if “Boardwalk Empire” won…”The Walking Dead” and “The Killing” were not even nominated….

    Then again, these are the same people who ignored “The Wire” and other great shows…enough said!

    Well there is next time…anyway…this does not take away from Peter Dinklage and the amazing work he’s put on that show for all of us fans!

    I’m proud of you Peter, enjoy your victory and I hope for a lot more for you and your fellow castmembers on “Game Of Thrones”!

  40. Jambo
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    Seems crazy to me that Breaking Bad was not even in the list for Best Drama.

    Of course I would have wanted to see GoT win, but for BB not to even be in the running, compared with American Horror Storry and Boss? Madness I tell you!

    Anyways, congrats to Peter!

  41. Louisa
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    HALFMAN!!!

    I’m sad GoT didn’t win in its other category, but is Homeland really that good? I thought it was just another detective/police series. I’ve never watched it so can some people please fill me in…

  42. The_Rabbit01
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Congratulation to Peter!

    Well deserved :)

  43. loco73
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Louisa,

    It is an interesting show, from the same folks that brought you “24″, though this show is on another level than that dreck ever was (except the first season)…So you can imagine what the subject matter is ( I don’t want to give too much away). It boasts a good cast with Mandy Patinkin, Clare Danes and Damian Lewis (he of “Band Of Brothers” fame, amongst other movies and tv shows). I have about two more episodes to watch from the first season…The show is interesting and makes for some good TV viewing with enough twists and turns to keep you engaged throughout the season.

    Having said all that, it is nowhere near “Game Of Thrones”, even though the shows tackle different subject matters and inhabit different environments, I’m referring to the overall quality, as acting, production, writing, directing etc.

    PS “Homeland” is not an entirely original concept to begin with, it is adapted for US television from an Israeli tv show called “Prisoner Of War”.

    “The Killing” is also better as a show, while “The Walking Dead” is miles and miles ahead….

  44. Sean Morris
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Halfman Halfman Halfman

    Many more tophies next year from the whole GoT Team XD

  45. Hear Me Roar
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    loco73,

    Wait, the Walking Dead is miles ahead of … of what? Sorry, but I think the show is not ahead of much, sadly. They had lots of potential but failed to deliver. The writing is just not good. I see why it’s popular for fans of the comic series and/or fans of everything zombie, but objectively it’s not up there with the best tv. The first episode of the first season was amazing, and the makeup department deserves all the praise – but from there on it just deteriorated.

  46. Johan Sporre
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    Agree completely. I’m catching up on season 2 right now (one episode left) and it doesn’t impress me. Dull and long-running storylines (for example Sophya in Season 2). I’m looking forward to when I’ve seen the last episode.

  47. Juanra Castiñeiras de Saa
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    I wonder, if he’s given a golden globe this season, what is he going to win after the second one?

  48. Arvin
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Juanra Castiñeiras de Saa:
    I wonder, if he’s given a golden globe this season, what is he going to win after the second one?

    Best leading actor, of course.

  49. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    loco73,

    Walking Dead a better show than Homeland…sorry friend I will have to disagree with you there. For me the Walking Dead was somewhat engaging last season, but with the firing of Frank Darabont the quality of the show has gone downhill.

    I think there is going to be a lot of dislike for Homeland because it stole Game of Thrones’ thunder. But Game of Thrones…and I say this from the bottom of my heart…I love it, but I pray it finds the dramatic cohesion of shows like Homeland and Breaking Bad for example. I think once the writing takes over from the adapted source completely, allowing it to use the source as a tool and not as a crutch the translation from one medium to another will feel less clunky (not that there weren’t some smooth translations because there were) and the feeling of each individual episode will be that of thematic and formal wholeness while at the same time not interrupting the flow of the narrative.

    Look at shows like Deadwood and Boardwalk Empire where character nuances, the decisions that they make, how they are staged within the show itself. That’s what Game of Thrones must achieve. That’s why I am encouraged by D and D not adapting the entirety of Clash of Kings for season 2 and why the potentially meatiest portion of the saga A Storm of Swords is going to take up a season and a half and what seemed tedious on paper- A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons-will come out as pure excellence on screen.

  50. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    I agree on the ill conceived sex scenes and nudity. They are not using it in the correct manner. Just watch Boardwalk Empire or Deadwood or the Sopranos, that’s how you do sex/nudity on a television series

  51. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Raise your cups to Peter! Nicely done! Gonna be a bit nit picky here but didn’t the twit presenter say “Games” of Thrones? Someone double check me here. Also congrats on his daughter, I hadn’t heard she arrived. Blessings to him and his family.

  52. Dennai
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Wait, the Walking that is miles ahead of … of what? Sorry, but I think the show is not ahead of much, sadly. They had lots of potential but failed to deliver. The writing is just not good. I see why it’s popular for fans of the comic series and/or fans of everything zombie, but objectively it’s not up there with the best tv. The first episode of the first season was amazing, and the makeup department deserves all the praise – but from there on it just deteriorated.

    I agree absolutely.

    It’s not easy to see a show that drops the writing quality that much between the first episode and the rest of the season, and “The walking dead” had managed twice in a row.

    And you have to love how hard they try to make the regular cast visually different to avoid dumb viewers to get confused. One little boy, one little girl well, no more, one black guy, one teenager guy that happens to be also the only asian person, one hot teenage girl, one redneck, biker, kick-ass, bad-boy-but-not-really guy all wrapped up in one package…

    But wait!! we have 3 women in their 30-40s. Ok, we’ll make one blonde, one brunette and one graying, but just to play safe, we’ll give the last one the shortest haircut outside of Guantanamo.

    two old men! No worries, one will have a beard and will keep wearing a fishing hat all the bloody time

    What about the two leading men? They are not only of an age, they’re both policemen! Mmm, well, one have piercing blue eyes and looks sorrowful all the time while the one with the brown eyes looks angry, but just in case, we’ll make him shave his head. And tell the other one to wear his police hat as much as possible to make the point.

    No wonder you got people running in panic and cowering in the corner when they take a look to GOT with their cast full of hairy, bearded men in armour.

  53. HouseLark
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Homeland hasn’t aired in the UK yet so I can’t pass judgement. It’s not really surprising that it would beat out GoT though, gritty drama wins awards over “genre” pieces almost every time. But… unless something truly amazing comes along – I mean earth shatteringly good TV – GoT should be set up to sweep the boards in Season 4 (second half of ASOS). Dramatically, and in terms of entertainment, that season will have everything and there shouldn’t be a wasted second of screen time as there was in Season 1.

    Congrats to Peter Dinklage as well. A well-deserved win.

  54. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    loco73,

    Walking Dead a better show than Homeland…sorry friend I will have to disagree with you there. For me the Walking Dead was somewhat engaging last season, but with the firing of Frank Darabont the quality of the show has gone downhill.

    I think there is going to be a lot of dislike for Homeland because it stole Game of Thrones’ thunder. But Game of Thrones…and I say this from the bottom of my heart…I love it, but I pray it finds the dramatic cohesion of shows like Homeland and Breaking Bad for example. I think once the writing takes over from the adapted source completely, allowing it to use the source as a tool and not as a crutch the translation from one medium to another will feel less clunky (not that there weren’t some smooth translations because there were) and the feeling of each individual episode will be that of thematic and formal wholeness while at the same time not interrupting the flow of the narrative.

    Look at shows like Deadwood and Boardwalk Empire where character nuances, the decisions that they make, how they are staged within the show itself. That’s what Game of Thrones must achieve. That’s why I am encouraged by D and D not adapting the entirety of Clash of Kings for season 2 and why the potentially meatiest portion of the saga A Storm of Swords is going to take up a season and a half and what seemed tedious on paper- A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons-will come out as pure excellence on screen.

    My flawfree queen, the Mother of Dragons, has a simple reply to all the bullshit you just spouted: “Drogon. Dracarys.”

  55. Andrew
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    OMG Martin Henderson=dwarf tossing???? What the fu…k? I’ve heard about throw-the-sheep and come-into-my-castle, but THAT one is def the first…

  56. Coltaine777
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Gotta agree with the criticism of the Walking Dead..I was excited for the show at first but now it’s total garbage ..the writing is absolutely horrible, with plot holes you could fly a 747 thru..the most irritating thing to me is how the show doesn’t follow it’s own established rules, like that scene on the highway where everyone is hiding underneath cars (with fresh blood in the air and a woman screaming in an Rv) and the zombies just shuffle by ? lol…and that’s just one of many inconsistencies..hard for me to believe anyone thinks that show is miles ahead of anything …

  57. Andrew
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    the goat: My flawfree queen, the Mother of Dragons, has a simple reply to all the bullshit you just spouted: “Drogon. Dracarys.”

    ^this XD Valar morghulis..

  58. Elena Amici
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Yay!! I really tried to forget about the GG, but some magical force made me check this page the moment I came home. Oh, well :)
    I’m gonna watch the video now!

  59. darquemode
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    For those that have waited to pre-order Season 1 on DVD or Blu-Ray…

    HBO is celebrating it’s Golden Globe winners with 20% off by using the code “GG20″ (without the quotes). The offer is also good on Boardwalk Empire and Mildred Pierce etc…. Here is the link to HBO’s “Golden Globe Boutique.”

    http://store.hbo.com/index.php?v=hbo_dvds_golden-globe-nominated&ecid=EMC-HBO-000675&pa=HBOem20120116_GoldenGlobes

  60. Elena Amici
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    darquemode,

    where can i use this code? does it work with amazon?
    Anyway, that part about the “dwarf tossing game” creeped me out. It’s really, really sad

  61. Dennai
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I think there is going to be a lot of dislike for Homeland because it stole Game of Thrones’ thunder.

    And I think you seriously misjudge GOT fans if you believe the majority of us gets driven by such petty thinking.

    Look at shows like Deadwood and Boardwalk Empire where character nuances, the decisions that they make, how they are staged within the show itself

    I’ll give you that with Deadwood, specially the first and second season, but I reject wholehearty similar praise to Boardwalk Empire . The show was unbalanced during the first season, but I relent because I thought it was trying to find its footing, but the second season was an absolute mess, full of characters who have nothing to do but stick around just because the audience expect them to stay, either because they are colourful (Capone, Luciano…) or because they were established as important during the season debut (Lucy, Van Alden…). Worse yet, it’s full of characters doing things because the plot requested them to do it even when acting that way was in opposition to what we know about the character’s nature.

    I agree on the ill conceived sex scenes and nudity.

    Honestly, the criticism to the nude scenes is growing tiresome. Yeah, you are unhappy about the 10minutes of sex scenes in the 600 minutes of the series, yada, yada, we got it, but when you go

    Just watch Boardwalk Empire or Deadwood or the Sopranos, that’s how you do sex/nudity on a television series

    then, you lost me. I gonna give you The Sopranos, at least as far as I’ve watched (into 4 season now, following in Sky Atlantic), but Boardwalk and Deadwood? Boardwalk had a character whose only function seemed to fill the nudity quote in the series and Deadwood gives for the same price Calamity Jane naked in a bath and lesbianotronic, not to mention how much Al Swearengen enjoyed to muse about life and universe while receiving blow-jobs. Talk about sexposition.

  62. sjwenings
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Sean Morris: Halfman Halfman Halfman

    Aahh… we WiCers should’ve all been there and chanted this as Peter made his way up to the podium.

  63. darquemode
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Elena Amici:
    darquemode,

    where can i use this code? does it work with amazon?
    Anyway, that part about the “dwarf tossing game” creeped me out. It’s really, really sad

    IT’s only at the HBO store sorry.

    Here is a link to their ‘Golden Globe Boutique’. XD

    http://store.hbo.com/index.php?v=hbo_dvds_golden-globe-nominated&ecid=EMC-HBO-000675&pa=HBOem20120116_GoldenGlobes

  64. john
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Homeland is really good. The Walking Dead was decent the first season, season 2 has been boring so far IMO, sans the last episode. I don’t get the insane hype for that show at all. Not surprised that GoT didn’t win Best Drama, it’s a “fantasy” show after all.

  65. Aloicious
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    @Darquemode

    I just did a quick check as I figured a 20% savings would be a great time to get my order in and found that even with the 20% discount the series is still quite a bit cheaper on Amazon (30% savings + free shipping).

    Congrats to Dinklage. A well deserved win. Hopefully GoT will get some recognition as a series next year.

  66. Andy
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    I’m really bothered by this “Turlin Lannister” business. I mean that guy has one job to do, say names right.

  67. Karazax
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    I have to agree that Walking Dead has been disappointing to me. I like the premise and really want to like the show, but as others have pointed out there are so many plot holes, and to top it off the zombies seem so unthreatening. Perhaps in the future they will better explain how the zombie invasion started, but the survivors have killed so many zombies at point blank range with melee weapons and crossbows and pistols literally pressed up to the zombies heads that it is impossible for me to imagine a scenario where these zombies could take out the entire US military with fully automatic weapons and tanks and other military grade weapons and vehicles.

    I agree on the ill conceived sex scenes and nudity. They are not using it in the correct manner. Just watch Boardwalk Empire or Deadwood or the Sopranos, that’s how you do sex/nudity on a television series

    I agree with this as well. Too many of the scenes were sexposition that felt forced for the sake of showing some skin, especially the sex scenes that were not part of the book in any way. It’s like they didn’t trust their audience to stay tuned in if there wasn’t some nudity, but in this day and age, if anyone is primarily tuned in for the nudity they can find plenty of that on the internet to satisfy them. Sex scenes can add alot to a story if done right, but when they are primarily used to fill in story background they often feel out of place.

    Homeland I really like and can’t fault them for picking it over Game of Thrones. I think the book Game of Thrones is better than Homeland, but as a TV show Homeland is at least as good, if not better.

    There are a lot of things I really liked about Game of Thrones season 1, but Homeland never felt like they were leaving things out of the story because of budget, where Game of Thrones with no battles and some of the other things that were cut due to their cost does lose something.

  68. darquemode
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Aloicious,

    True.
    The only benefit of going through HBO itself is getting the exclusive video. If HBO’s video sounds better than Amazon’s then the promo code is a good time to buy it I guess.

    I bought myself the HBO set when I had a promo code weeks ago, and I bought my uncle the Amazon version for Xmas. Well, he got a slip of paper IOU with an attractive homemade card with Tyrion Lannister on the front reminding him “A Lannister always pays his debts” and his gift would be there at the end of March!

  69. john
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I just don’t get the complaints about the sex scenes. I mean some were a bit drawn out I guess. But they were a tiny tiny part of the show. Very easily overlooked for me at least. I’ve watched a lot of HBO shows previously so maybe I was just used to the HBO formula, I dunno. But if you get stuck on them that much you must be really insecure.

  70. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    darquemode: bought myself the HBO set when I had a promo code weeks ago, and I bought my uncle the Amazon version for Xmas. Well, he got a slip of paper IOU with an attractive homemade card with Tyrion Lannister on the front reminding him “A Lannister always pays his debts” and his gift would be there at the end of March!

    Hahaha, awesome!

    Also, a Lannister always wins his awards!

  71. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    john,

    Some are sensitive to sex and get a very different feeling during such scenes. The surprising thing is that no one is ever saying anything about gratuitous violence. You’d think that violence would be more disturbing than sex…

  72. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Dennai,

    Wow. You Completely misread my tone completely. I said ‘a lot’ not everyone.

    My first reaction was to reply with an angry rebuttal. But I won’t. I apologize if you think I called you and other people petty.

    As for my comparisons vis a vis nudity I stand by them. I thought BE season 2 was a great tragedy. And the nudity in Deadwood was always either functionary and unglamourized. I still defy anyone who defends the Ros scenes and tells me they are the same thing though on that I will not be budged.

    I concede Paz la Huerta was the Ros of BE. Even though Ros is prettier and a better actress.

    I’ll take your response as a kneejerj reaction and the sting in your reply as just that.

    Didn’t mean to piss people off.

  73. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    john,

    I agree partially with John. The Littlefinger scene tainted a great episode. The monologue was fine, the idea was fine but it was directed poorly and in little taste.

  74. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides:
    And the nudity in Deadwood was always either functionary and unglamourized. I still defy anyone who defends the Ros scenes and tells me they are the same thing though on that I will not be budged.

    They aren’t the same as the ones in Deadwood, but neither is the sex that’s in the book series so it would be odd if show was similar. The books are in no way distant to describing beauty and pleasure, nor do they shun away from explicit details. If anything I thought it would be slightly more nudity from some characters in the show.

  75. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides: And the nudity in Deadwood was always either functionary and unglamourized.

    So when whores fuck in a 19th century unincorporated silver town its “functionary and unglamourized,” but when whores fuck in a medieval fantasy world its dysfunctional and glamorous?

    Also, unglamourized is not a word. “Not glamorized,” is the phrase you were looking for. And “either” goes with “or.”

  76. Karazax
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard:
    john,

    Some are sensitive to sex and get a very different feeling during such scenes. The surprising thing is that no one is ever saying anything about gratuitous violence. You’d think that violence would be more disturbing than sex…

    For me it isn’t a “sensitivity” to sex, but rather poorly scripted sex scenes. Ned and Catelyn having sex and being nude (which was cut from the show) prior to recieving the note from Lysa would have fit fine and I would have had no problem with. Littlefinger practically directing a porno while he gives the viewers and the whores insights into his schemes did not for me. Not because of what was shown or not shown sexually, but because the scene was ridiculous. When 1-2 chapters worth of events are covered in an average of about 5 minutes then the inclusion of the sex scene needs to be more important to the story than whatever is cut from those chapters, and I felt that was often not the case, in particular with the sex scenes the writers created which were not taken from the books.

  77. goober
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    dinklage should use his tyrion accent all the time.adds gravitas.it also carries a ‘dont give a sh!t’ vibe with it.keeps shocking me with his real voice.

  78. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Karazax,

    So who should LF have divulged this important piece of character development to? It doesn’t seem likely that he’d bare his soul like that to a couple of new “employees,” but D&D obviously believed that the audience needed to learn LF’s motivation for his impending betrayal of the Starks, and he had to deliver the monologue to someone. Its not like he revealed any huge secrets, both the audience and the important characters know that he lost a duel to Brandon for Catelyn’s hand.

    As far as the sex itself, I took it as an illustration of one the show’s themes: sex as a tool. Ros and the other woman are whores, LF is a pimp, simple as that. He is training them how best to extract money (and, more important, information, as we see later) from their clients. Its a corollary to one of the story’s driving forces: forbidden love vs. arranged couplings.

    Is it a scene I’d like to watch with my whole family right after Christmas dinner? Of course not. But it certainly fits into the fabric of the story, even if it was sort of shoehorned in to provide a means for LF to spill his guts.

  79. Tyrion4Lyfe
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    HALFMAN! HALFMAN! HALFMAN!

    HALFMAN! HALFMAN! HALFMAN!

  80. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    Must be nice to use the cloak of anonymity to put down others for mere speculation and hope for the future. I’d try to do the same but I’m not a bully.

    There is some nastiness here Winter. Completely unwarranted nastiness.

  81. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    It’s an ugly scene in my opinion, and gives ammunition to those who can’t take fantasy seriously.

    The show is not perfect. I fucking love the show it but I cannot in good conscience agree that scene was necessary. God forbid LF actually having some subtley. It was an excuse for soft core porn. Probably a requested scene by HBO execs.

    Cue your nasty response and/ or avoidance of this post.

  82. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Karazax,

    Thank you for your civil response. Stating what you disagreed with me on and what you did agree with.

  83. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    Despite my anger towards you right now your defense of the scene was on the money. It just missed the target in terms of direction. At least for me anyway. I would have focused more on Littlefinger and faded out the moaning a bit.

  84. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Karazax,

    But obviously sex needs to be done in a special way that’s not required of other actions characters take. At least no one seems to complain about other actions in the same manner and I doubt people would have been as upset if Littlefinger had been instructing someone in accounting.

    Therefor sex seems to be a much more sensitive subject.

  85. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    I took the scene the same way. It both illustrates Littlefingers plans and views of his world, as well as a few themes in the story. Even if it’s not extremely subtle it’s probably the most rich scene in the entire season when it comes to symbology, and it’s not like everything else in the season is more subtle either.

  86. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides:
    the goat,

    Must be nice to use the cloak of anonymity to put down others for mere speculation and hope for the future. I’d try to do the same but I’m not a bully.

    There is some nastiness here Winter. Completely unwarranted nastiness.

    You take your Thrones discussion very seriously, Josh, which I appreciate. Yet some of the responses to your posts may be less serious, but I think they are just meant to be pithy and funny and not an attack on you or your opinions. I think if you look at some of the responses (like the goat’s) in that light, you would find the discussion here much more agreeable. :)

  87. Thiago Slash
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Littlefinger:
    Hey guys unrelated, but I think it was revealed:
    2.01 – ‘Dragonstone’
    2.02 – ‘The Rose of Winterfell’
    2.03 – ‘The Five Kings’

    This may not be true, but sounds interesting…

    dows anyone know if this is the real deal indeed? ^^

    also, kudos for Peter D! I cheered like if I was watching a brazilian goal on soccer! haha
    a pity Homeland took our greatest prize. now I’ve got to watch the show, dammit. haha

  88. Mormegil
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Thiago Slash: dows anyone know if this is the real deal indeed? ^^

    The Ep2 Title is an odd one if true, I suppose it could be something to do with Sansa but the first things it suggests is the tale of Bael the Bard or some more History of Lyanna, neither of which I can see playing a big part in S2 Ep2.

  89. Kroket
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Congrats to Peter! Very well deserved! It’s a pity the rest of the cast and crew (the series) don’t get honoured though. Seriously… Homeland?? I watched that for a while on Dutch TV and it’s just completely not my cup of tea…

    Which is even more insane is that there is no sign of GOT on Dutch TV whereas Homeland starts airing just a couple months after airing in the states… Just stupid!
    Apparently we in Holland will get our own HBO now so that might air GOT. Sadly it’s only for Ziggo ATM and i can’t get that provider! Better hope it shows up on a public channel soon and not like Breaking Bad (awesome show that one btw!) which started airing two weeks ago 3,5 years after the start…

  90. DH87
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    It just goes to show how good GOT really is when our biggest complaint is whether the LF sex scene was gratuitous (I vote yes, and I hope D&D have learned from the mistake) and/or whether more Ros is a good thing (I vote no, and I hope D&D have learned from the mistake). The latter is a more serious concern, because once showrunners who get “attached” to actors, as D&D have to Esme Bianco, begin to write for their character, disaster results. It only takes two or three unsuccessful turns on screen to turn critics off and undermine the good will the show has built up.

    Gentlemen, put her in your next series if you’re so confident she’s worth it, but don’t turn GOT into her vehicle to stardom—it isn’t going to happen.

  91. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I appreciate that Winter. To be honest this is the first discussion forum that I have participated in. I guess I was hoping for a more congenial atmosphere but that’s the fun of anonymity and those forums. You kind of take on an elevated person of yourself and you have the freedom to act out that persona…within acceptable terms of course.

    If some people enjoy acting the way they do on these forums then they are entitled to that pleasure. I will try to take things with a grain of salt.

  92. Chai_latte
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Congrats to Peter!!! And Terlon Lannister and Games of Thrones wtf? Fire that announcer!

    I watched the first few episodes of Homeland. So far, it hasn’t been as “America, f**k yeah!” as 24 (which is good), and the acting and pacing of the story is excellent. Seems more like a psychological drama than an action show. It’s sad that shows with contemporary and realistic settings still have an edge over scifi and fantasy, but I think Homeland was a worthy contender.

    Epic Googlem,
    LOOOOL

  93. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    You clearly love that scene! To be honest I had you somewhat lumped in with fanboyism. Sorry if I came out that way in our previous discussion. You made your point with objectivity and artistic merit in mind something of which I believe the show should strive for.

    In that light i will look at the scene in that context when the blu ray comes out.

    To be honest the scene is a stick in my craw mainly because it turned off potential recruits that I know. And they watch HBO series. I guess that scene was to much for them. Perhaps it merely fueled other biases they may have had. Some shows are not for everyone.

    I

  94. Stannis
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    I hadn’t read the book before the show came out and I couldn’t tell that LF’s monologue was an added scene. It seemed to fit the unsafe, complex, corrupt tone that the show carries. I will admit to it being awkward watching it with my dad, but I had just taken that they were demonstrating (before his betrayal on Ned) how sleazy and vile he is, while also providing some much needed character development. Littlefinger has no scenes of his own in the book, but the character is easily worth his own POV or at least one monologue. It’s also a clever and careful juxtaposition of him talking about his innocent childhood love while forcing women to have sex with each other.

  95. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard:
    the goat,

    I took the scene the same way. It both illustrates Littlefingers plans and views of his world, as well as a few themes in the story. Even if it’s not extremely subtle it’s probably the most rich scene in the entire season when it comes to symbology, and it’s not like everything else in the season is more subtle either.

    Yeah, subtlety is the opposite of what they were going for. And none of us will ever know what went on between D&D and HBO and the editors and the lawyers, etc, etc, and who pushed for what, and what was agreed to, and what was refused (although that’s an interesting simile, itself). Its the most “controversial” (whatever that means) scene amongst “fans” (whatever that means), but its still a big fat zero on the Richter scale amongst the general public when compared with Ned being killed. As it should be. Ned’s death was a seminal moment in television history, Ros being taught by LF how to bang some other whore (“wherever it is you’re from”) is just another part of the day-to-day in Westeros. Anyone who doesn’t like it is free to catch the next re-run of Big Bang Theory. I’m sure one’s due any minute.

    Josh Atreides: To be honest the scene is a stick in my craw mainly because it turned off potential recruits that I know. And they watch HBO series. I guess that scene was to much for them. Perhaps it merely fueled other biases they may have had. Some shows are not for everyone.

    Make new friends, preferably ones with some taste.

  96. Thiago Slash
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil: The Ep2 Title is an odd one if true, I suppose it could be something to do with Sansa but the first things it suggests is the tale of Bael the Bard or some more History of Lyanna, neither of which I can see playing a big part in S2 Ep2.

    that’s what I thought. and that’s why I wanted to know if it was true haha ^^
    the first and third titles make sense to me.

    Stannis:
    I hadn’t read the book before the show came out and I couldn’t tell that LF’s monologue was an added scene. It seemed to fit the unsafe, complex, corrupt tone that the show carries. I will admit to it being awkward watching it with my dad, but I had just taken that they were demonstrating (before his betrayal on Ned) how sleazy and vile he is, while also providing some much needed character development. Littlefinger has no scenes of his own in the book, but the character is easily worth his own POV or at least one monologue. It’s also a clever and careful juxtaposition of him talking about his innocent childhood love while forcing women to have sex with each other.

    this.
    but I hope he doesn’t gain a prologue/epilogue. that’d mean his head would roll hahaha

  97. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Thiago Slash: this.
    but I hope he doesn’t gain a prologue/epilogue. that’d mean his head would roll hahaha

    Hahaha, qft!

    Also agree that those Ep titles are fake based on Ep. 2. That story is told much later and is related by characters who are, so far, not in the show.

  98. Knurk
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Holy crap, some people are just hijacking every post to whine about a sex-scene. It becomes tiring after the 100th time people.

    Congrats Peter, awesome speech as ever.

    And congrats Idris Elba, coolest dude of the universe.

  99. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    Well I guess I am not as hardcore fan as I thought i was if I am unwilling to slough off my friends over a tv show :-) I have miles to go I suppose.

    It’s very weird because the people who had trouble with the scene loved Deadwood, The Wire, Rome even Spartacus. I guess they don’t like GoTs approach to fantasy.

    My issues with it are entirely from the technical side.

    End of issue. For me at least.

  100. Dave
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    I have to agree with the people criticising The Walking Dead. It’s already been said about what’s wrong with the series, so I don’t need to add anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least and I’m big fan of the comic. As for The Killing, well, all I have to mention is red herring galore and really disappointing finale. What a waste of 13 hours, I don’t care who killed Rosie what-her-face anymore.

    The people saying about Homeland not deserving the win, come on, GoT fans be more gracious in defeat, we don’t want to be those type of fans.

  101. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    No, I wouldn’t say that I love the scene, I’m just totally fine with it. The main reason I’ve spent a good deal of time thinking about it is because it’s been brought up so much by others in discussions. I don’t have any problems with your opinions of it and I’m mainly arguing for the fun of it, as well as to get more insight from “the other side” so to speak.

    When I go through the show, just watching my favorite scenes, that one is not among them.

    As for turning away viewers, I doubt it would be connected to bias since fantasy shows rarely are that sexy. And if someone is turned off by one scene in an entire season that person clearly didn’t like any of it that much.

  102. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    the goat,

    I think you are right in that when the average viewer is done watching the season, that scene is pretty much put in the background. Regardless if they liked it or not. Ned’s death was a huge thing, especially since that scene was so well constructed that it seemed to fade slowly from letting the viewer have hope into pure shock.

    We who have read the books are naturally less affected by all the important events so minor things have a much higher tendency to stick out for us, especially when it’s something not directly taken from the book.

    But sure, it’s not unlikely that some viewers could be turned away by the sex. I doubt those are that many though and I wouldn’t have expected such people to like the show even before I had seen it.

  103. Thiago Slash
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides:
    the goat,

    It’s very weird because the people who had trouble with the scene loved Deadwood, The Wire, Rome even Spartacus.I guess they don’t like GoTs approach to fantasy.

    Whoa, then they really have to explain themselves. I thought Spartacus had a LOT more sex/nudity scenes than GoT. also, a lot more violence! (it’s a great show and I’m counting the days to S3) so, that’s either prejudice or hipocrisy… or they just said they didn’t like it to mess with you hahaha =P

    but I agree with you. if I would dispose of all my friends who don’t like GoT, I’d be a much lonier person hahaha

  104. Thiago Slash
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard:
    the goat,

    We who have read the books are naturally less affected by all the important events so minor things have a much higher tendency to stick out for us, especially when it’s something not directly taken from the book.

    this makes a lot of sense, sir! I’ll try to keep that in mind for future discussions.

  105. EvilPicnic
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Knurk:
    Holy crap, some people are just hijacking every post to whine about a sex-scene. It becomes tiring after the 100th time people.

    Congrats Peter, awesome speech as ever.

    And congrats Idris Elba, coolest dude of the universe.

    Quoted for truth.

    I have the biggest man-crush on Idris Elba. I am securely hetero, but he just has to give the word…

    As far as other shows go I thought this season of Boardwalk Empire was a HUGE improvement over the borefest that was S1. And on the other side of the coin the initial rush of Walking Dead’s S1 has given away to a trudging monotony of S2, punctuated by thoughts of what might have been.

    (Frank Darabont’s plan for the Season 2 opener if anyone’s interested. It’s sad viewing/reading:

    http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/180707-being-human-star-slams-amc-over-aborted-walking-dead-web-series

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/52526 )

    I haven’t seen Homeland yet (is it worth it?).

    And I’ve only seen the original Danish The Killing, which is one of my favourite shows ever, up there with The Wire, especially season 2. I can’t say I’m all that interested in a remake and from what I’ve heard they’ve messed it up… although the original did take 20 1hr episodes to close the case and from what I gather the US version is only half that so far…maybe it’ll pick up?

    But back to Dinklage: HALFMAN HALFMAN HALFMAN

  106. DH87
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Thiago Slash,

    I’d suggest the sex in Spartacus is much more integral to the show and the graphic scenes, although just as intense, are of short duration. They are there to provide a brief, although strong, shock. Roman society was depraved by almost every subsequent dominant society’s assessment—with its own definitions of perversion; exploitation; and racial stereotyping—and the showrunners attempt to show why. John Hannah commented at ComicCon that the first season’s most infamous scene showed how completely slaves were dehumanized; his scenes often look as though he’s having sex with a piece of furniture.

    If D&D were attempting to make the same kinds of plot-related points in GOT with the LF scene, they failed—the scene was much too long, LF’s role in the series had not been adequately laid out (pardon the pun) to maximize the “shock” value, and, arguably, the actors were not up to the task. Lots of folks may not analyze things they watch this way (most, aamof) but that the scene was controversial does not mean de facto it was successful.

  107. John W
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    KUDOS!

  108. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Bullshit.

  109. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Hear hear!

  110. Epic Googlem
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    I’m just shocked that you wrote that post in MS Word, emailed it to paste it here. Very creepy–love it!

  111. Pangur Bán
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Awesome news, congrats to Peter Dinklage (and everyone involved in GoT)! Thoroughly deserves a Best Actor next year, imho. ;-)

  112. DH87
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    John W: KUDOS!

    Thank you, I’m obviously perspicacious.

    the goat: Bullshit.

    Apologies. I’m obviously an idiot.

  113. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Kroket,

    You’d think that your native networks would be in top of that given Carice’s contribution.

  114. the goat
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    DH87: I’d suggest the sex in Spartacus is much more integral to the show

    This has to be up there with the most inaccurate statements ever.

    The Earth is flat.
    The Sun revolves around the Earth.
    Hitler is correct.
    Concrete is a delicious, nutritious breakfast treat.

    That kinda wrong.

  115. DH87
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Epic Googlem: I’m just shocked that you wrote that post in MS Word, emailed it to paste it here.

    I didn’t (I got an error message when posting, so perhaps that translated strangely) but, as you can see from my blogfriend goatie, I need all the support I can get, so, gratitude.

  116. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    EvilPicnic,

    Speaking of Elba, did you notice Dominic West walked over and hugged him as soon as it was possible? Stringer and McNulty all the way!

  117. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Can I join that support group? I’m already in the bullshit rehab group so it may be a tight squeeze. Let me know if there are any available seats!

  118. Thiago Slash
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    EvilPicnic,

    dude, that link to Sam Witwers interview is sad T.T I’m a fan of TWD, but now I’m pretty pissed off with AMC for doing that. (I also dg Witwer work. I haven’t seen The Mist, but I saw Being Human, and his season in Smallville).
    and I don’t know if I said this to you already, but the american The Killing is superb until the vey last episode, here they managed to screw it up big time. I’ve gotta watch the Danish original, still.

    DH87,

    I undestand your point of view, but I disagree a bit. for example, Spartacus sex scene with Ilithya was not a short scene. Yes, it was part of the story, but wasn’t a short scene. Also, the violent scenes on GoT aren’t longer than Spartacus’ ones. Sure, Spartacus is a show driven by violence and battles and stuff, so it’s GOT to have shocking violent/sex scenes, but even so, if someone has to complain about sexposition and gratuitous violence, may them complain about Spartacus rather than Game of Thrones (or at least, may them complain about Spartacus first, then GoT).

    As to what you said about LF’s scene, my point of view is the same as this:

    Stannis:
    I hadn’t read the book before the show came out and I couldn’t tell that LF’s monologue was an added scene. It seemed to fit the unsafe, complex, corrupt tone that the show carries. [...] they were demonstrating (before his betrayal on Ned) how sleazy and vile he is, while also providing some much needed character development. [...] It’s also a clever and careful juxtaposition of him talking about his innocent childhood love while forcing women to have sex with each other.

    And I add that, when I watched it, my focus was on the character background that was being built, not on the sex part of the scene. My attention wasn’t deviated to the girls because, if I wanted to see sex, I wouldn’t be watching GoT =P

    Anyway, I think that what we’re discussing was already discussed a dozen of times, and since it’s my first debate on this matter, you may have already read all “my” arguments somewhere else. ^^
    And to me is doesn’t matter of they shoot the same amount of sex scenes in S2, or less. If the story is delivered coherently, I’m happy! I just pity the fact that HBO didn’t give 12 hours do David and Dan, this season.

  119. DH87
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    If we are going to allow into the support group everyone with whom goatie has disagreed on this thread, we shall need to move from the figurative church basement to the parking lot, so there should be room for all.

    (Goatie, please note my use of the proper modal verb—pairing the first person plural “we ” with “shall” rather than “will” in the above sentence— out of appropriate respect for the norms of polite discourse.)

  120. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    How about the Skydome in Toronto? No one cares about the Blue Jays any more.

  121. Coltaine777
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    DH87,

    How about the Skydome in Toronto? No one cares about the Blue Jays any more.

    Toronto bluejays are brutal !….23rd in major league baseball payroll with one of the richest owners in baseball !…its always next yr with that team…I’m tired of them !…

  122. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    ATTENTION: FINER THINGS CLUB/WIC DISCUSSION BOARD SUPPORT GROUP MEETING THIS WEEK!!!! PLEASE READ!

    What we have here are two specimens, one a possible Troll, the other, well I don’t have the exact wording for. They operate on opposite ends of the spectrum.

    There’s our friend Epic, he/she who has largest set of descriptive names since Homer’s Iliad. He/She comes off as a flippant casual fan. Or at least he/she seems to. His/her-sorry I still don’t know the gender-tactic is to dissect your post and root out any spelling and grammatical errors. This gives him/her a sense of superiority that culminates in final blow: one or two paragraphs dripping with sarcasm and condescension, loaded with the most provocative statements not seen since the likes of Little House on the Prairie. His/her face a parodying of Lewis Carroll’s famous Cheshire Cat, he/she awaits your response, smoking his/her hookah as you rail at him/her with one or two posts of incredulous anger and righteous indignation. A most cunning creature.

    Then there is The Goat or ‘Goatboy’ as I like to call him as he is annoying as that ill conceived Jim Breuer character from various Saturday Night Live vignettes. Goatboy is in fact fanboy-ism incarnate. He too is blessed with the same overbearing “Rate the Godfather a Zero” powers as that of the Patron Saint of Dark Knight zealots on the IMDB boards. Feel like making the comment that Game of Thrones may be slightly less than amazing? Feel that your passion for the books and the series warrants a slightly critical post in the interest of making something amazing into a masterpiece? Woe to you my friends if you think so! You may as well be the ill-fated Billy Batts telling Joe Pesci’s Tommy to go fetch his shoe-shine box. For Verbal Bludgeoning is Goatboy’s speciality! And to add insult to injury Goatboy will throw salt on your wounds in between the beatings, regaling you with stories of outdoor music festivals and what a cool hipster he professes to be.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, you have been duly warned.

  123. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Coltaine777,

    It’s been that way since the strike of 95!

  124. DH87
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: How about the Skydome in Toronto? No one cares about the Blue Jays any more.

    Given the recent performances of the Washington Redskins and the Nationals, our local embarrassments, I’m hard-pressed to mock other luckless devotees of Hermes, especially those forced to play the summer game in a land devoid of summer. However, send me the directions and I’ll try to make the next meeting—Tuesday nights at eight, free coffee and donuts, correct?

  125. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor, hahahaha! Nicely done. :)

  126. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Then there is The Goat or ‘Goatboy’ as I like to call him as he is annoying as that ill conceived Jim Breuer character from various Saturday Night Live vignettes.

    I prefer “The Scrote” or, “The Scroat”. Either one is acceptable.

  127. the goat
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    “The head of state has called for me, by name.
    But I don’t have time for him.”
    (Sorry, its just comedy to me, because I did in fact get Radiohead tickets this weekend. So, at least you were right about one thing:)

    No hard feelin’s, here’s some Wild Flag, that always makes everyone feel better about all things
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q25zB3lJqgY

  128. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    DH87:
    Thiago Slash,

    I’d suggest the sex in Spartacus is much more integral to the show and the graphic scenes, although just as intense, are of short duration. They are there to provide a brief, although strong, shock. Roman society was depraved by almost every subsequent dominant society’s assessment—with its own definitions of perversion; exploitation; and racial stereotyping—and the showrunners attempt to show why. John Hannah commented at ComicCon that the first season’s most infamous scene showed how completely slaves were dehumanized; his scenes often look as though he’s having sex with a piece of furniture.

    If D&D were attempting to make the same kinds of plot-related points in GOT with the LF scene, they failed—the scene was much too long, LF’s role in the series had not been adequately laid out (pardon the pun) to maximize the “shock” value, and, arguably, the actors were not up to the task. Lots of folks may not analyze things they watch this way (most, aamof) but that the scene was controversial does not mean de facto it was successful.

    I strongly disagree. Spartacus has at least one scene that’s nothing but nudity and sex for about 2,5 minutes. No talking or other story advancement. The only way you could call that short is if you thought you were watching soft porn. It’s also more visual than anything in GoT, although I can’t say that much of the sex in Spartacus has much shock value, nor does it really say much about depravity as it’s mainly two beautiful people engaging in standard heterosexual sex. Nothing that stands out much from our society. The only shock I see is for people not comfortable with viewing sex.

    If sex scenes was their attempt at showing slaves dehumanized that was a pretty bad choice since it doesn’t differ from today’s common debate issue of objectifying women sexually.

    The Littlefinger scene is longer but if you just count the parts where the sex is in focus it’s shorter. Most of the scene just shows Littlefinger talking with some moaning in the background, and there is lots of character and story development (thus not even remotely in the same league as Spartacus, so it’s a bad comparison). How someone can be at such discomfort at moaning but still managed to get through a season of Spartacus is very perplexing to me. I don’t see the scene as being shock value either as I don’t see much to be shocked about.

    I don’t see anything in your post that explains well why a long sex scene is better than a long scene involving both sex and story progression simultaneously.

  129. Jordan Healey
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    Just a few points to agree with here

    #1. Walking Dead not very good – agree

    #2. Whoever said Boardwalk Empire Season 2 was a mess – completely agree

    #3. The Discussion about the added scenes in Game of Thrones

    After several re-watches I’ve come to dislike the first season of Game of Thrones more and more mainly because most of the changes or the added scenes in the show. Most of them are not that great ideas to be honest.

    If you go and have a look at all the added scenes that D&D and Bryan Cogman have added in, most of them are VERY long in comparison to the screen time given to the actual story from the books. The Long monologues and sexposition comes from a Deadwood influence I believe, and I agree that those scenes in Deadwood are great (the Al Swearengen blowjob ones and EB Farnham’s lonesom rants), and they really suit the show and the characters.

    However are they a good idea in Game of Thrones? I don’t think so. I don’t think sublety is their strong point. What they should be doing is taking their key from David Simon’s writing in The Wire or Treme where he weaves in some background history into the dialogue that’s always got something to do with advancing the plot or story arc of a character, or it is part of a scene that does it.

    Example (and there are hundreds of them): In one of the later episodes of Season 2 of the Wire there is a scene at Butchie’s bar where two random old guys are arguing who’s badder: East or West side, because of the fact that East Siders drink Port Wine and West Side do Cherry. Butchie goes on to explain the difference between West and East goes back to PeeWee Matthews and explains why, also proving a good point about the current state of the drug trade in Baltimore … and then Omar comes in and gives Butchie some money for safe keeping.

    A scene with a point, unlike Robert’s War Stories one.

    The scenes they wrote mostly are solely there to give background characters some depth, but they are so obvious … and so long, and really mess with the pace of the episode.

    George’s episode ‘The Pointy End’ doesn’t suffer from this problem at all. And I think that shows the difference between experience in the writers.

    The added (lengthy) scene is probably the Jaime and Jory one that Bryan Cogman wrote, where the scene actually has a point, Jory delivering a message but he bumps into Jaime and they talk about some history and some of each of their character is explained.

    The rest of them are more problematic, mainly because of the length, it seems they’re unable to cut their own work, but are quite happy to cut George’s original (better) scenes in the book to pieces.

  130. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    the goat,

    Radiohead rules. I plan on going to Coachella someday. But it’s not exactly a stone ‘s throw from Ottawa. I’m more or less into the Canadian alt indie scene which essentially begins and ends with Broken Social Scene and it’s offspring. Though i do enjoy the Merge records/Mike Mogis produced crowd of Deathcab, Oberst, Jenny Lewis et al. I’m probably more of a hipster than you are. Unless you live in Portland, Oregon!

  131. loco73
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Those points I made were based on my personal preferrences as to what shows I like to watch, those that I consider good…so to you and all the others that replied, you are entitled to your opinions and your preferences, so you continue to enjoy the shows that you like and I will do likewise, because with all due respect, as they say, opinions are like assholes, everybody’s got one, and my opinion is not more important than yours, and yours is likewise not any more important than anybody else’s…

    Ta….

  132. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    Sorry to crap on your show bro. I loved the comics an I loved Darabont’s planned vision for season 2. And they fired him. The show is dead to me (no pun intended) because of that. Also the Israeli homeland is vastly different from the American one. I guess the matters going on in Homeland feel more relevant to me than those in the Walking Dead. Although the latter has more to do with the writing (IMHO) than the subject matter. Having 3 or 4 episodes devoted to finding one girl? Slowed the momentum way to much for me.

    Glad you enjoy it though. Didn’t mean to come off as a pretentious snob.

  133. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Jordan Healey: The scenes they wrote mostly are solely there to give background characters some depth, but they are so obvious

    and pretentious… and superficial.

    Jordan Healey: Most of them are not that great ideas to be honest.

    Yes, it´s a pity. The dialogue between LF and Varys makes me shudder. I remember feeling compassion for the actors.

    Jordan Healey: After several re-watches I’ve come to dislike the first season of Game of Thrones more and more

    Same thing happens to me and I saw season 1 only twice. I don´t say I dislike it. I just realize that some aspects of the show don´t resist much analysis so I take it as it is and I hope for a better season 2.

    Jordan Healey: it seems they’re unable to cut their own work

    a classic.

  134. DH87
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard: I don’t see anything in your post that explains well why a long sex scene is better than a long scene involving both sex and story progression simultaneously.

      

    I can agree that the sex scenes permeate every episode of Spartacus, and if there was one particularly long one it must have had limited impact since I don’t recall it (we are talking about two seasons of this show compared with one of GOT). Sex of all kinds permeated Roman life. The licentiousness of Roman high-borne women was well documented by historians throughout the Empire period. What we would consider deviant behavior (sex with underaged individuals of both sexes, bestiality, etc.) was commonly accepted among the highest echelons of Roman society. That society was based on dominance, not sexual fulfillment. Life to the Romans was all about power. If you had it, you wielded it; you watched what went on in the Circus Maximus as a morality tale and expression of civic realities. “Subjugate others or you will be subjugated.” The show expresses this reality, it does not exaggerate it. Watching both the Lucy Lawless and John Hannah characters chat and scheme relentlessly while have sexual acts performed upon them delineates their characters pretty clearly. (That the house slaves are all beautiful is also accurate, since slaves purchased by Roman patriarchs were chosen for their looks, as were footmen in nineteenth century English country houses, slaves on southern plantations, and elsewhere.)

    These are not the mores in the GOT world. Catelyn is not Lucretia. The attempt to place the LF scene in a brothel and thus both shock and inform the viewer is a failure for the reasons I stated above. Plot progression = character development in terms of importance; I see the Spartacus scenes (not all of them, obviously—it’s Starz, not Heroditus) succeeding and the LF scene failing at the task.

    We are also comparing apples to oranges—dozens of sex scenes in Spartacus to the one in GOT. We’d be better off comparing one (say the infamous S1 bath scene) to one (the LF scene).

    I also agree with Jordan Healey that none of the added scenes, with all respect to Brian C. and D&D, improves upon repeated, careful viewing, but I’ve said that before.

  135. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    I wouldn’t hope too much since the scenes you’re criticizing got a lot of praise in reviews so the creators will most likely feel confident in continuing on the path they’ve set. In fact, quite a few critics said that they hoped that they would deviate even more from the book since they felt that the show found itself better then. Clearly the opinions on this show differ vastly and it’s good to note the direction taken so one can set the expectations accordingly. Too high, or just wrongful, expectations is the doom of all experiences.

  136. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    I’m just talking about the first season because that’s the one I had available to measure the length of scenes. I just took one long scene and measured it (Spartacus and Ilythia) The second was clearly “worse” on the subject of sex and while I have a high tolerance for it I felt they took it to silly levels at times in “Gods of the Arena”. Mainly due to that they didn’t actually say much with those scenes.

    I know how the Roman Empire’s decadence was but the show isn’t really trying to shock us (or not trying very hard) because they are depicting something that’s pretty common today and leaving the bizarre out. I just don’t see the shock value, I just see the depiction of a place where sexual pleasure is a common thing.

    I still don’t get your argument why it’s a failure. You’re just describing the Roman society and then say it’s a reason for why the Littlefinger scene doesn’t work, despite that he’s a character that’s extremely focused around power and subjugation, just not sexually (which is of course why the sex doesn’t include him). Batiatus and Littlefinger are very similar in many ways, but the former is minor league in comparison. I’m sure it’s not the case (so no offense meant) but your post still just gives me the impression that you’ve not understood Littlefinger.

    As for the comparison of the societies (which I think are irrelevant as the characters aren’t required to act like the norm) I don’t think that Spartacus is really describing Rome as openly decadent in all areas. The higher up visitors are very hush, hush about all their sexual experiences because they would be frozen out if their circles knew they were having sex with slaves etc. That picture is pretty close to Westeros since many are decadent there but most do it behind locked doors. It’s still not like Tyrion is cast out for his whoring and Westeros isn’t exactly plagued with Christian morals.

  137. loco73
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    That’s ok, no need to apologize, you are not a snob, it is you opinion man and you are welcomed to it!

    I do like “Homeland”, don’t get me wrong, but I’m perhaps not as taken with it as others. I remember when I saw “24″ for the first time, I thoroughly enjoyed the first season, it was unlike anything I had seen on TV at that time, but after the first season, at least for me, the show just spiraled out of control and it became more and more over-the-top.

    I sincerely hope that that is not the case for “Homeland”, because I do think that Claire Danes, Damian Lewis, Mandy Patinkin and Morena Bacarrin are excellent in it. One of the writers/producers of the show, Henry Bromell was also, if I’m not mistaken, involved with another fine but criminally underrated show, “Brotherhood”…

    So the apology is on me…I might have come out sounding like a douche…

    PS Winter, thank you for moderating the boards and seeing the mistakes and misunderstandings that escape the rest of us…

  138. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,
    I don´t mind deviations. Don´t like some scenes, that´s all. Don´t like the writing but, as I said: I take the show as it is and still enjoy it. And yes I´m sure they can improve. Why not? It doesn´t matter if critics say it’s OK, everything can be improved. If critics are as honest as those of my country I don´t care at all what they say. You don´t need critics to judge whether something is good or not but let us say it´s a matter of subjectivity and I didn´t enjoy the writing.

  139. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    Perhaps I got the wrong impression then. I thought you felt that basically all the new scenes were bad and I just meant to say that I think it’s more likely that we’ll get more new scenes than it is that we’ll get fewer. Just meant as a neutral observation, not as criticism.

    The critics part was just to say that D&D might have been encouraged by them since it’s a very public thing. I don’t care about reviews as far as taste goes since reviewers opinions aren’t worth more than yours or mine. I like what I like, regardless what everyone else think.

  140. Dave
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    If people are going to compare The Wire to GoT or any other series then those shows are going to be a disappointment. Nothing can compare to The Wire, even David Simon’s other shows like Treme. It’s quite good, but two seasons in, still can’t get into it as much as I got into The Wire.

  141. Knurk
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Permalink
  142. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Knurk,

    jajajajaja! Thank you!
    Cuánta alegría!

  143. Epic pinafores
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    TV critics evidently watch too much TV. Their expectations are near rock bottom low; how could it not be? So when they saw that guy from Lord of the Tings albeit 20 years older spit out a few quasi-shakespearean lines about honour cut-to-rape scene extravaganza, they immediately dropped all windows to twit: “#Amazing #bits and #pieces isn’t it?” It doesn’t take much to excite them; just make TV looks like film which can be accomplished with 1. film, 2. a semi-famous film actor and 3. a trilogy (ie., please god not Procedural, that’s so pre-Lost).

    Ah, remember http://tv.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/arts/television/game-of-thrones-begins-sunday-on-hbo-review.html ? Remember how some critics actually called for Ginia’s head on a pike? (Others for her to be fired and put into awful exile in Canada!)

    The new pollution.

  144. Epic pinafores
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Dave: Nothing can compare to The Wire

    The Wire is essentially just a cop show with too many actors. It doesn’t compare to my favorite show, Once Upon a Time which is quickly becoming a classic and as you might know many people with a basic education like it therefore it must be good. In contrast I know a guy, an out of work plumber who accidentally shot himself in the leg some time ago, owns The Wire on Blu Ray, and his wife left him and he smells bad. He says it’s his favorite show.

  145. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard: I just meant to say that I think it’s more likely that we’ll get more new scenes than it is that we’ll get fewer. Just meant as a neutral observation, not as criticism.

    Tywin’s Bastard: D&D might have been encouraged by them

    Yes, I understood what you meant and unfortunately I too think that’s very likely… it´s a pity though. Still hope I´m wrong. Still hope they improve.

  146. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    You mentioned Brotherhood! Bless you. I thought I was the only person who watched it. Amazing show from start to finish. Jason Isaacs is mesmerizing in it.

  147. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Epic pinafores,

    Dude…what is your major malfunction with Canada?

  148. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Ginia Bellafante will do a re-review of the series when season 2 airs?

  149. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    She doesn’t have to. The review managed to avoid actually talking about the contents of the show and just bashed the genre so she can post it again each season.

    There’s no reason a bad writer can’t also be lazy!

  150. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Epic pinafores,
    I knew nothing about that. Never read a review about the show. I had a professor who was a tv/ cinema critic at the most famous newspaper in my country and I know how much he lied and how much they paid him for lying. Disgusting. And his criterion for criticism was antediluvian (criterion for criticism??? how strange that sounds). It seems nobody gets paid for honest criticism (whether you’re right or wrong).
    Yes, they can do it! They have no shame or self-awareness. I don´t watch Saturday Night Live for some time now…it´s broadcast at the same time and day as Real time with BM.

    Epic pinafores: many people with a basic education like it

    Hey! that´s me!

  151. Dave
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Epic pinafores,

    I have know people with mental retardation troll harder than that. Better luck next time.

  152. Joshua Taylor
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Dave,

    Yeah, his bashing of The Wire (if he was in fact not being facetious) and the non formative reasons he uses to bash it in particular pretty much ensures I will never take a thing he says seriously ever again.

    Dissing Canada? Fine. Dissing Fringe? Fine, I’m a big boy. But The Wire? In the fine company of Arrested Development or the Godfather, people can say how much it sucks but their opinion will never, ever amount to squat. It’s legacy is set in stone.

  153. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Epic pinafores: The Wire is essentially just a cop show with too many actors

    Troublemaker. Just finish watching that show. It doesn´t hurt. I´ll pay you…but only for honesty.

  154. Epic pinafores
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    It’s true, I only watched 2 eps and probably never more.

    But as far as ‘just a cop show’ I thought some people might have remembered the Rushdie incident.

    And as far as bringing up the very stinky way of claiming something is good because ‘many educated people like it’, I’m just poking fun at bad arguments.

  155. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Epic pinafores,

    Ok, you will watch it in your old age. I do remember Rushdie incident.

    Epic pinafores: I’m just poking fun at bad arguments

    I know! I wanted to support you. Is very difficult to make jokes in another language. I always have to explain myself, I´m sorry.
    I like Once upon a time: just the right amount of absolutes that I need. Almost a relief.

  156. Thiago Slash
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    it’s funny how people are discussing The Wire (I honestly have never heard about the show before reading WiC.net. shame on me) because up there a bit a guy said his friends didn’t like the sex scenes in Game of Thrones. heh

  157. Epic Googlem
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    andrea,

    I’m the one who should apologize to you. I was indirectly explaining myself away to others. Besides, the effort is a disservice to them and a weakness on my part.

    You’ve convinced me to take a new look at Bill Maher. I think last time I heard of him was ten years ago on Politically Incorrect before he was fired.

  158. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Epic Googlem: You’ve convinced me to take a new look at Bill Maher.

    did I? Ok. He´s very clever and witty (and annoying) but I´m much more interested in some of his guests. Very very interesting people and some of them really funny. There´s a professor of some big university… I think Cornel West is his name. I love him. Such and intelligent and kind man. I realize now that Bill Maher says some strong things about your country but I would like to have someone like that here. Well, we had one but died long ago. Plus he usually invites Louie CK ;)

  159. Epic Googlem
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    andrea: I realize now that Bill Maher says some strong things about your country

    His best work truly was in Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death where he essentially plays himself before he found fame as a tv talk show host.

  160. andrea
    Posted January 17, 2012 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Epic Googlem,

    “who believe men are only good as a source of food”?… some friends of mine would love that. I have no idea where I can get that movie but I´ll look for it. Thanks.

  161. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 2:20 am | Permalink

    Epic pinafores,

    All joking aside. The Wire does not click for most people me included until about episode 5 or 6. If your not hooked by that point then there’s no point continuing in my opinion. Why those particular episodes? Well beyond whatever hyperbole you have been afflicted with regarding the show, there’s just several defining moments that sink their claws into you is all.

    I will state that I actually saw season 4 of The Wire before season 1. 4 is in my opinion the most powerful season given it’s central focus: the school system. At that point in the game the Wire was much more than the HBO procedural than it appears to be in the first season. I advise you to give the show a second chance in the near future, you will you find that it is much, much more than a cop show. In the first two episodes you met McNulty, Bunk, Rawls, Greggs, Daniels, Avon, Dangelo and Stringer to name a few. Wait till you meet Omar, the Robin Hood of ghetto, or Prop Joe, or the Sobotkas, or Tommy Carcetti, or Cutty, or Bunny Colvin, hell even the kids from the 4th season. ..

    There is a lot of talk of The Wire as this great show that no one watched that it’s critic proof that it’s a show white people watch to feel guilty, that it’s a show that proves your an intellectual…whatever. It speaks for itself. It is what it is. That said, you seem to love Breaking Bad. As you should it’s a fantastic series. And so is The Wire. So all our message board bullshit arguing aside, I urge you to give it another go. Watch the first season at least. You don’t like it you don’t like it, but if you do….well that’s a reward in it’s self.

    Wow. I didn’t hype that up at all did I?

  162. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Thiago Slash,

    The Wire is the kind of show that Game of Thrones should aspire to be.

  163. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    So it should change focus every season, be a more narrow scope drama than epic, and fail to find the audience it deserves? ;)

  164. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard p,

    No. I was referring to quality. The Wire is considered one of the greatest shows ever made. Regardless if it’s narrowed focus or not. Which I disagree with. The Wire is the story of Baltimore and the people, cops, pushers, politicians, junkies, newsmen, teachers, longshoremen et all players whether they know it or not of the Game. The same for the world of Westeros. Both are Modern Dickensian works in their own right. The Wire boasts great acting and film making.

    You obviously don’t hold the same opinion of the Wire as I do. And that’s fine. It doesn’t make me right but it doesn’t make me wrong either. Quality is quality, it’s more than about scope and focus. And
    personally when I read ASOIAF it reminded me of a combination of Frank Herbert’s Dune, I Claudius and in scope and complexity…The Wire. And from that perspective I will not be budged.

  165. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Josh Atreides,

    If the smilie didn’t do the job I can tell you that it was a joke. But then again the joke was more amusing for me when I got a very serious response.

    I don’t have any opinion about the Wire other than that I plan to watch it at some point. As it is now I haven’t gotten the impression that the scope is similar to a story spanning continents and heralding the end of the world though, but I’ll see when I watch it.

  166. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Tywin’s Bastard,

    Sorry I missed the winking there. Too Early in the morning when I replied.

    As for The Wire hope you enjoy it. Just think of Baltimore as Westeros and The Game (the war for the streets either by gun or political podium) as the Game of Thrones. As for epic scope each season explores a different aspect from the streets with the cops and pushers to the docks with the waterfront developers and the workers and the Suppliers, to the precincts to city hall, to the schools, to the teachers, to the students, to the media to the governor’s office..all the while expanding what has come before. .Every maneuver made affects everyone in the story in some fashion. Even this is familiar:
    “If you play you may lose. You can’t lose if you don’t play.”

  167. Epic knows nothing
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides: Wow. I didn’t hype that up at all did I?

    Lol, you really didn’t. You are making it sound worse (ambitious, yadda yadda) than even I believe it to be. This is what I know about the Wire:

    1. It’s a modern interpretation on the Protestant work ethic put to R&B music.
    2. The writer has a youthful worldview, which becomes a full blown tantrum by season 5.
    3. The Wire has not made a real-world difference to Baltimore, except that it’s now harder to get a filming license there, which no one cares about anyway.
    4. For a while, Idris Abba was the luckiest actor on television. Besides the fact no one watched the show.
    5. Donald Simon is better off exploring new things in New Orleans since it is, or close to, the murder capital of the world. But probably has less viewers now since it has less crime in it, which people love to watch.

    People who call it the best show ‘ever’ are the kind of people who find ‘new’ best shows ever every year. Everyone knows the best tv show ever was the Muppet Show.

    What GoT needs to strive for is: 1. entertaining and 2. not too cheesy. That I think is a realistic goal for a ‘serious’ (ie., no knights who say ni) medieval fantasy show.

  168. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Epic knows nothing,

    *facepalm*

    Enjoy your Muppets. :-)

  169. Lex
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Epic knows nothing,

    Regarding The Wire, you are Epic-the-Woefully-Wrong.

  170. Epic The Balls
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Which part am I wrong about? I would love to hear what you have to say.

  171. Epic knows nothing
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Josh Atreides: Enjoy your Muppets

    They’re not my Muppets. They’re everyone’s Muppets.

  172. Lex
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Epic The Balls:
    Lex,

    Which part am I wrong about? I would love to hear what you have to say.

    Sorry, I should have specified. Numbers 1 through 5.

  173. Josh Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Or just of all if it. :-)

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