HBO Execs discuss Game of Thrones at TCA Press Tour: Outpacing the books, finishing the story, and that movie rumor
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Yesterday, the HBO Executive session was held at the Television Critics Association Summer Press Tour. Chairman and CEO Richard Plepler, and President of programming Michael Lombardo took the stage to discuss the future of their programming, and fielded a number of questions from critics about Game of Thrones.

The session kicked off with the buzzing question on everyone’s mind: what will happen if George R.R. Martin doesn’t finish his next book in time for the series to continue? Lombardo insisted that there’s no cause for concern, “We’re not off on our own in respect to at least next season. Obviously George is an integral part of the creative team, so next season every move is being choreographed very closely with him. Certainly after next year we’ll have to figure it out with George. The book’s not finished at this point, but we’re in conversations with him. We’re not concerned about it.”

They also revealed that nothing short of a nuclear war will prevent them from finishing the story as scheduled. Lombardo said, “No. Look, I mean we’re committed to it, and Dan and Dave are committed to it.” While Plepler added, “Our line to George as always been, ‘You keep writing and we’ll keep making the show.’”

Another hot topic recently has been the potential of a Game of Thrones movie to cap off the series. Martin has been asked about the movie in several interviews, but the HBO execs say that there have been no conversations about the idea. “He is 100 percent focused on his books and his series, and has only held out the movie concept as something way down the road,” Plepler said. “There’s no conversations going on about a movie,” Lombardo added.

Game of Thrones has become a cultural phenomenon, and its fan base continues to grow with each season. On the success of the show, Plepler said, “What we knew is that it was a great series of books in the hands of two superb writers who were great showrunners. That it would turn into the biggest show in the history of our network was completely unpredictable.” Lombardo added, “If we knew, we’d be bottling it. All you can do is go along with it — and be very, very pleased.”

These quotes were compiled via reports from HitFix, Deadline, and Entertainment Weekly, be sure to check them out!

 

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116 Comments

  1. mixmastered
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Hodor

  2. Turri
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Season 6 is gonna make people lose their minds

  3. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    I’ll take this as confirmation that TWOW is nowhere near ready.

  4. TAYLOR SWIFT
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    BOOK SITUATION FOR SUPER SIX……………………..

    JON SNOW – ASOS END
    DANY – ADWD MIDDLE
    TYRION – ADWD START
    ARYA – AFFC START
    BRAN – ADWD END
    SANSA – BOOK MATERIAL COMPLETED. TWOW NEXT SEASON.

  5. Jason Yager
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Turri:
    Season 6 is gonna make people lose their minds

    Season 5….forget about six.

  6. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Winnie,

    Those are not spoiler tags
    Use “smaller than” b “bigger than”

  7. Winnie
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    So seven seasons it is then. I’m betting Battles of Winterfell and Mereen on screen at the end and that Dany won’t be making a detour to the Dothraki sea but will instead be heading off to Westeros. In that vein they might decide to cut out Aegon.

    We will get the same ending that Martin always planned for the books-just a different path to get there, which is a good thing since Martin’s been meandering too much, and seems confused over how to resolve all this.

    Decided Jentario to start over and get the spoiler tags right. My apologies.

  8. Hotpie
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    For people living in London, some GoT cast are going to be at the London Comic-con. The list includes Lena heady, Gethin Anthony, Finn Jones, Sibel Kekilli, Isaac Hempstead Wright, Kate Dickie(Lysa)and probably more.
    Isaac’s also going to San Diego’s comic-con to promote his new film.
    So there will be some new interviews in the upcoming days I guess.

  9. BlackTalon
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    The guy on the left is so pleased he has gone all orange in the face

  10. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Winnie,

    I don’t think we’re getting both battles this season. I don’t think we’re getting any huge full episode battles. If we would have, Neil Marshall would have returned this season. David Nutter is doing episodes 9 and 10, and he did the Red Wedding. So I think the last two episodes will be packed with awesome moments rather than focusing on a specific battle.

    That said, we ARE getting a battle- a battle in the snow (so probably Winterfell) which they had to move out of Iceland since it grew too big and long for Iceland’s shooting conditions. I think in terms of scale and screentime it will be comparable to the sacking of Yunkai from season 3 but turned up to eleven. So episode 9 will probably have 15-20 minutes of the battle of Winterfell alongside other climaxes- likely the Daznak Pit and maybe Cersei’s arrest and maybe Arya changing a face. It will be an EPIC episode for sure.

  11. Winnie
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Jason Yager,

    Agreed. We will be in whole new territory for Sansa and probably Bran as well. I for one rather look forward to being in the same boat as the Unsullied again…

  12. Winnie
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    Oh, I agree we aren’t getting any full battle episodes for Season Five but I do think we’ll get the climaxes to Mereen and Winterfell-certainly the latter. Interesting how full battle episodes happen in even seasons so far-foreshadowing for something big in Season Six?!?

    But the fact they’re talking like this tells me that the showrunners at least don’t expect TWOW to come out before the end of Season Five.

  13. Jason Yager
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Winnie:
    Jason Yager,

    Agreed.We will be in whole new territory for Sansa and probably Bran as well.I for one rather look forward to being in the same boat as the Unsullied again…

    Yep, I grumble about stuff, but it’s fun not knowing what could happen next.

  14. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    “….Certainly after next year we’ll have to figure it out with George. The book’s not finished at this point, but we’re in conversations with him. We’re not concerned about it.”

    The devil’s in the details. I claim BS. How could they NOT be concerned about that?

  15. Turncloak
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    “….Certainly after next year we’ll have to figure it out with George. The book’s not finished at this point, but we’re in conversations with him. We’re not concerned about it.”

    The devil’s in the details. I claim BS. How could they NOT be concerned about that?

    Because they are planning on moving in with or without George?

  16. humanbeing
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I’m sure they’re concerned, but at this point they’ve probably realized it’s futile to try and goad him into writing any faster than he is, and they probably feel confident that they have enough info to finish the story on their own. I do have to wonder just what GRRM was thinking when selling the rights to the show to HBO; if the initial assumption was that it was going to be One Book = One Season, then he would have known that he had very little time left to write multiple volumes of his series before the adaptation caught up (taking into account that the fifth book was published right after the first season of the show, and conservatively assuming that there would be two more books to finish up the series, that would give George about 7 years of the show to write two more books, about 3 and a half years for each). Knowing his own recent pace of writing, there’s no way he could have met that goal, even by his own terms. Does that mean that he thought from the get-go that the show would be a failure, an interesting but ultimately meaningless experiment on his part? I just think it’s strange that he didn’t seem to take all of that into consideration at the time.

  17. mike1402
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    well they’re definitely hiding something but it could be right that they are not concerned because they already have a solution or are at least close

  18. Turncloak
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    mike1402,

    A good option is to have George write most of the episodes of seasons 6 and 7. That way the show isn’t put into a bind and George gets to tell his story. He seems to be able to write at a timely pace when it comes to scripts

  19. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    I’m ready to bet anything with anyone that TWOW comes out in 2015 ;)

  20. Turncloak
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    My prediction is December 2015

  21. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    humanbeing,
    mike1402,
    Turncloak,

    Wouldn’t it be funny if GRRM’s grand “fuck you” gesture from a few days back was actually intended for the HBO execs, instead of the obnoxious fans? They must be poking him in some way.

  22. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    mike1402,

    A good option is to have George write most of the episodes of seasons 6 and 7. That way the show isn’t put into a bind and George gets to tell his story. He seems to be able to write at a timely pace when it comes to scripts

    That’s a great idea for Season 7, but how would D&D feel about it? Maybe they could do half and half, and have D&D direct more than 1 episode.

    It’s a shame noone asked them about the possibility of an extended final season, but interesting that they didn’t discard the movie idea…

  23. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    March 2016

    GRRM will give one last push before admitting defeat.

    Then after the show beats him he’ll finally come to terms with an 8th book (since the show will already be done and the race would be over). When TWOW is out we will have to judge whether a ninth book could be necessary.

  24. Wilson Wilson
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    mike1402,

    A good option is to have George write most of the episodes of seasons 6 and 7. That way the show isn’t put into a bind and George gets to tell his story. He seems to be able to write at a timely pace when it comes to scripts

    For one thing he’s been only adapting original work from book to screen play so far, and for another you can’t fanny around and take as long as you like with a screenplay – it has to be ready before a strict deadline.

  25. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Pau Soriano,

    My prediction is December 2015

    I think you could be spot on there.

    Regarding the final extended season, it could be done if that final season would be delayed from the midseason to the Fall season of 2017. That would give them 6 more months to shoot, and Martin 1 more year to finish the books.

    There’s many variables to consider though, and I don’t think any decission will be made until the 6th book is out at least

  26. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    Pau Soriano,

    March 2016

    GRRM will give one last push before admitting defeat.

    Then after the show beats him he’ll finally come to terms with an 8th book (since the show will already be done and the race would be over). When TWOW is out we will have to judge whether a ninth book could be necessary.

    Or a tenth or a eleventh or…we’ll see ;)

  27. House Mormont
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    AHAHAHA the problem is George’s writing, you want to give him more to write? He handed his season 3 episode in waaay late even though he only had 1 to write and D&D had 8, and I know his blackwater episode is way too big

    Not to mention when was the last time he had a tv series in his hands? The 80s? He’d be even rustier than he is with books

  28. Phiiiil
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    GRRM is justified in defending his writing pace and pointing out the unfairness in fans trying to rush him, but objectively speaking, it is a really really embarrassing that this is actually a situation. It feels like a kid who can’t finish his homework on time. I honestly cringe each time I see an article that brings up the topic of the show passing the book.

  29. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    Turncloak,

    AHAHAHA the problem is George’s writing, you want to give him more to write? He handed his season 3 episode in waaay late even though he only had 1 to write and D&D had 8, and I know his blackwater episode is way too big

    Not to mention when was the last time he had a tv series in his hands? The 80s? He’d be even rustier than he is with books

    How could he be rusty when he has just written 5 scripts of the series?

    Slow, yes…rusty, nope

    Edit: Plus he would be writing the scripts for the book he is working on at the moment, not the scripts for a book he finished 20y ago. I don’t see him writing all the scripts either, but definitelly working closer to the writers for that final season, and maybe getting credit for more than just 1 script

  30. Darquemode
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    While on some levels I would like that, I don’t think it will ever happen. By that time so many of the characters GRRM wrote about will be omitted from the series and his endgame for ASOIAF would need to be adjusted fairly drastically.

    GRRM was talking about “butterfly wings” with Mago being killed or Marillion losing his tongue in Season 1 …. imagine how the changes would bother him by the time Season 6 roles around! XD

  31. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    GRRM having to write scripts about events he hasn’t written yet is like D&D pouring salt on GRRM’s own self made wound. He would probably be so bitter writing those scripts.

  32. Sergei Walankov
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Seems pretty clear to me that GRRM needs to make a virtue of necessity and finish his story via the show and not the books. For seasons six and onwards he can sign on as full time story consultant and script writer for multiple episodes, for which he would be able to command a fee approximately equal to all the money in the world. Then he can then finish the books at his leisure, health permitting. Book purists of course will not be pleased, but when are they ever?

  33. MM
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    So when they say they’re not concerned, is it

    1. They’re not concerned because they think GRRM can stay ahead of the show, or
    2. They’re not concerned because if the show does outpace the books, they can just pump GRRM for information about what comes next?

    I tend to think it’s the second.

  34. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Sergei Walankov,

    As someone above said, the show and the books will be so different at that point that I doubt GRRM would want to assume full control. They’re cutting Arianne and probably LS (and with it everything in the Riverlands) and Vic and Aeron if not the Iron Islands entirely, they might even cut the Griffs and they’re definitely creating new arcs (like a certain someone who never went to Dorne in the books going to Dorne). For GRRM to decide that the show is his vehicle to finish the series for certain would be entirely out of character.

  35. sjwenings
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    MM:
    So when they say they’re not concerned, is it

    1. They’re not concerned because they think GRRM can stay ahead of the show, or
    2. They’re not concerned because if the show does outpace the books, they can just pump GRRM for information about what comes next?

    I tend to think it’s the second.

    D&D, Cogman and GRRM have already had a long meeting where George told them about his plans for the story going forward. They know now how the whole thing ends, and hopefully a lot of the storypoints leading up to it, so I don’t think they really need George anymore.

  36. skar
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    more D&D fan fiction incoming. I’ll watch the show for what it is and wait ever so patiently for the books to come out.

  37. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    sjwenings: D&D, Cogman and GRRM have already had a long meeting where George told them about his plans for the story going forward. They know now how the whole thing ends, and hopefully a lot of the storypoints leading up to it, so I don’t think they really need George anymore.

    I think George is smart enough to give them enough info so they could go ahead with season 4 and 5, but noy enough that they don’t need him anymore…he claims he is like Tyrion but I see him more like a Varys /Littlefinger hybrid

  38. Sergei Walankox
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    No doubt GRRM won’t be happy about events transpiring in the manner I propose, but he has to play with the hand that he’s dealt. Either he gets more involved in the show, or he surrenders to others the progress of the story as most of the world is going to know it — indeed, what may be the only form it’s ever going to take, if finishing the books indeed proves beyond him. It’s sometimes said that he’s “in denial” about all this, but that can’t be true in the literal sense. Obviously he’s sensitive about the fact that he hasn’t been able to keep up, and for the time being his preferred method of dealing with it is to evade the question when it’s raised with him in public. That doesn’t mean he genuinely does believe that the book series will be wrapped up when A Dream of Spring hits the shelves the year after next.

  39. Randi Shamsabadi Howard
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    BlackTalon:
    The guy on the left is so pleased he has gone all orange in the face

    This made me Disney villain laugh.

  40. John M W
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    LOL @ those of you who think the writing would be turned over to George for Season 6 & 7.

    The show is D&D’s baby. After putting all this work into crafting the show, there’s no way on earth they’d put the final seasons into someone else’s hands.

    Then there’s the matter of George’s snail pace writing. To think that he’d be able to deliver scripts for all (or even most) of the episodes is ludicrous.

    No, he’ll remain a consultant and probably continue to contribute his one script a season – but that’s it.

  41. Jason Yager
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: I think George is smart enough to give them enough info so they could go ahead with season 4 and 5, but noy enough that they don’t need him anymore…he claims he is like Tyrion but I see him more like a Varys /Littlefinger hybrid

    Not sure what you missed there…but it’s not “just” 4 & 5…they sat down and got the WHOLE story arc for each character. It’s a done deal, nothing to do with GRRM being smart. I’m sure they don’t have finite detail like lines of dialogue…but they have enough to to map things out and confirm their seven season statement. If they wanted to at this point, they literally could finish without ever speaking with him again…obviously they wont do this, but at this point GRRM isn’t holding anything over their heads…he has no leverage.

  42. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    John M W,

    Maybe they’ll give him two episodes. Maybe.

  43. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    If I had to bet, I’d say that George has given them the beats for books 6 and 7 and that the broader story will play out onscreen much as the past 4 have reflected their books.

    What George probably did was outline things to come much like this description from A Game of Thrones: “we’re introduced to Bran Stark, who accompanies his father, Ned, as Ned executes a traitor from the Night’s Watch. They find direwolves on the trip back (with an explanation of what they are). The King and His court arrive in Winterfell……and Bran is pushed out a tower window.”

    This will tell the story, and D&D (and Bryan Cogman) are decent enough writers to make it all compelling. But they are not the wordsmith that George is. If D&D had written purely from the outline above I doubt we would have gotten “The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword,” or “The things we do for love.” Or any of the famous and beautifully crafted words that George gave us ever since, and I feel the series would be the lesser without them.

    And having invested so many years of my life into this story, I will feel cheated by getting the Cliff’s Notes version before reading the whole story. I still think it’s possible TWoW will appear in print before most of its details are revealed onscreen, but I’ve lost hope for ADoS and the ending.

  44. steve
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Martin at the NIFF conference said They’re at their ceiling in terms of budgeting out a season and paying new actors/actresses. They can’t do it anymore. He didn’t come out and say it, but given this statement, and the lack of any Greyjoys, Connington, Aegon casting news…it’s not looking good for those characters being part of the show.

    Also a battle will happen in season 5. Sounds like the Winterfell one. So he needs to get moving or they are really going to start spoiling things. If there is an omission of the Greyjoys, Connington, and Aegon, that alone spoils things and tells you they’re not that important to the overall ending.

  45. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Jason Yager: Not sure what you missed there…but it’s not “just” 4 & 5…they sat down and got the WHOLE story arc for each character. It’s a done deal, nothing to do with GRRM being smart. I’m sure they don’t have finite detail like lines of dialogue…but they have enough to to map things out and confirm their seven season statement. If they wanted to at this point, they literally could finish without ever speaking with him again…obviously they wont do this, but at this point GRRM isn’t holding anything over their heads…he has no leverage.

    Yeah, pretty much this.
    Sad thing is, the purists and the “Not your bitch” wankers will surely be mad at HBO and D&D, for finishing the story before GRRM. As if it was their fault. Thinking about prequel seasons, movies or the show taking a break so GRRM can catch up is ridiculous at best.
    It’d be better for people to just accept that the show will finish first, and that GRRM has zero chances to win that race.

  46. cubicz
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    BlackTalon,

    LOL. What do you mean? He’s a hollywood executive- Don’t you think it makes him look *super* trustworthy?

  47. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Jason Yager: Not sure what you missed there…but it’s not “just” 4 & 5…they sat down and got the WHOLE story arc for each character. It’s a done deal, nothing to do with GRRM being smart. I’m sure they don’t have finite detail like lines of dialogue…but they have enough to to map things out and confirm their seven season statement. If they wanted to at this point, they literally could finish without ever speaking with him again…obviously they wont do this, but at this point GRRM isn’t holding anything over their heads…he has no leverage.

    “George is an integral part of the creative team, so next season every move is being choreographed very closely with him. Certainly after next year we’ll have to figure it out with George

  48. The Dragon Demands
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    What I’m more interested in, which we might get answers on more than the usual “book schedule” question, is how their negotiations are going for prequel projects (such as Robert’s Rebellion, Dunk & Egg, and the Dance of the Dragons).

  49. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: Yeah, pretty much this.
    Sad thing is, the purists and the “Not your bitch” wankers will surely be mad at HBO and D&D, for finishing the story before GRRM. As if it was their fault. Thinking about prequel seasons, movies or the show taking a break so GRRM can catch up is ridiculous at best.
    It’d be better for people to just accept that the show will finish first, and that GRRM has zero chances to win that race.

    It’s even sadder that there are wankers out there already blaming the “not your bitch” wankers for supposedly getting mad at something that hasn’t even happened yet XD

  50. Wilson Wilson
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Well it’s not as if GRRM has had since 2006 to get it all these potential issues sorted – oh, wait…

  51. winnie
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Personally i’m not as worried as some about D&D no longer having direct dialogue from Martin to work with. By now they have a pretty good handle on the characters voices and in fact some of the best dialogue on the series has been totally original to the show. Sure i will miss Martin providing things like the bathtub scene with Jaime to work with but I think D and D now have enough to work with and I certainly won’t miss where whites go or your words are wind.

    I admit to dreading how the whole “Martin’s not your birch” crowd reacts to this though especially Neil Gain an who started the whole meme.

  52. Huge floppys
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    im confused,
    didnt the battle of winterfell not happen yet in the books? if thats the case, why would they have that in this season. also, i thought there was 2 seasons left of material bca they are combining 2 books this season.

    can someone please explain

  53. Jason Yager
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: “George is an integral part of the creative team, so next season every move is being choreographed very closely with him. Certainly after next year we’ll have to figure it out with George

    Not sure what this being quoted proves or disproves? Obviously it has to be choreographed with him, they’re treading into territory with several characters who are at their limit, or quickly approaching their book page limit.

    As well as next year and the year after..they’d have to do the same thing, as even more characters will be outside of the books.

    I’m not saying that they’re abandoning GRRM’s aid, they obviously want to be as faithful as possible within THEIR parameters. But, they’re no longer beholden to him. GRRM AND D&D have both confirmed, in print at several different publications, meetings this spring where they went through every character and where they end.

    That means GRRM is a part of this show now out of respect, but not out of necessity. If, god forbid, something were to happen to him…D&D have the broad strokes to finish it w/o him. It would be a nightmare, but it COULD happen.

    The point being, it has been confirmed that D&D and Cogman know what happens past seasons 4 & 5…maybe not how many times Brienne eats a bowl of brown…but they know that she’ll be eating it.

  54. Summer
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: Yeah, pretty much this.
    Sad thing is, the purists and the “Not your bitch” wankers will surely be mad at HBO and D&D, for finishing the story before GRRM. As if it was their fault. Thinking about prequel seasons, movies or the show taking a break so GRRM can catch up is ridiculous at best.
    It’d be better for people to just accept that the show will finish first, and that GRRM has zero chances to win that race.

    Yeah well, if that would be the case, one word for these people: “D&D are not your bitch”!

    Pau Soriano: It’s even sadder that there are wankers out there already blaming the “not your bitch” wankers for supposedly getting mad at something that hasn’t even happened yet XD

    There are plenty of people who are already getting worked up by the thought of it. “D&D should alter the story for GRRM in seasons 6 and onward so it will not spoil the books”, “GRRM deserves to finish first” etc. It’s at the Westeros forum. If you want specific posts or topics I can look them up.

  55. Patchy Face
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    winnie,

    Really enjoyed your “Martin’s not your birch” quote – is he an elm or an oak? :)

  56. Dash
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    humanbeing,

    Money, and parties, and nice girls smiling around you in conventions changes your priorities… not blaming, I will do the same!

  57. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    “Not your bitch” wankers will surely be mad at HBO and D&D, for finishing the story before GRRM. As if it was their fault.

    I guess I’m a “not your bitch” wanker but I won’t be mad at HBO and D&D at all. I’ll be happy. I never had any real expectation that GRRM would finish anyway. He might and I’ll be glad. But he might not and I’ll be sad. But if the show will give me the same ending (albeit by different routes) I’ll be able to accept GRRM not finishing with much better grace. As for how it’s our fault…that’s absurd since we have no control whatsoever over GRRM or the show. If GRRM doesn’t finish it’s no one’s fault but his own. Don’t presume to speak for me. I can be a wanker all on my own, thank you very much.

  58. EverydayI'mHodoring
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    “No. Look, I mean we’re committed to it, and Dan and Dave are committed to it.” While Plepler added, “Our line to George as always been, ‘You keep writing and we’ll keep making the show.’”

    HODOOOOOOOR!!!!!!

  59. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    D&D know the ending of the major characters. Dany, The Starks, The Lannisters. He doesnt know the journy yet. He has a rough outline. and hes not sure on alot of the minor characters yet. So the show might take a major turn. Plus how are they going to do the north storyline. there are so many characters they will have to introduce in one season.

  60. zambie76
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    But the fact they’re talking like this tells me that the showrunners at least don’t expect TWOW to come out before the end of Season Five.

    Maybe even not before the end of season six. :(

  61. Dash
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    “He is 100 percent focused on his books”

    Yes, in wild cards, and the hedge knights, and world of ice and fire, and the witness of Tyrion Lannister….

  62. Carol Lang
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Holiday release is excellent marketing strategy. I was really hoping for Nov.-Dec. of 2014. But I won’t hold my breath..
    As to the topic of the big battles…. I think that they’ll use season 5 to move the characters into “position” for the battles in early season 6.

  63. clk
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    One idea: they could make a mini-serie of 3 episodes (or even a film but I think that is less likely) of Robert’s Rebellion, between seasons 5 and 6, in which anyone that hasn’t watched the show yet could watch and understand. This would be great, because
    1 – would win time for GRRM
    2 – would be advertesing for those who haven’t watched the show
    3- would entertain the show’s public and the fans
    4 – would be a wise story telling device for David and Dan (considering that they failed to present and give importance to Robert Rebelion)( if stays the way it is, no Unsullied will care that R + L = J, because they dont know who Rhaegar and Lyanna are)
    5 – would tell important things for the future of the show (such as Jon’s parentage)
    6 – would probably make HBO earn profits and awards on best miniseries.
    I realy think that would be great and hope they do this (with not necessary dan and david producing it)

  64. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    My first comment disappeared so I’m trying again….

    Valdred Dethstorm,
    I guess I’m one of those “wankers” you are talking about. Funny though, I’m not mad at D&D or HBO nor will I be if they move beyond GRRM. I would love for GRRM to finish his books before the show but that’s not realistic. I also think he set himself up for failure by making the deal with HBO. So that’s all on him. But I still think he should finish, if he finishes, at whatever pace suits him. I will be happy to get the ending (albeit by different routes) from D&D seeing as that I probably won’t from GRRM. As for how “we” caused this to happen…that’s absurd since we have no control over GRRM or D&D/HBO whatsoever. If you’re going to accuse us “wankers” of something, at least make it somewhat believable.

  65. House.Mormont
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I doubt the show will suffer at all not having direct dialogue from grrm, thinking back to season 3, the best lines “if you think this has a happy ending you haven’t been paying attention” “because the truth is either terrible or boring” and all of Olenna’s one liners, none of that came from George.

    And sure they have their hiccups like “supper would be nice” but then again George also wrote “you think a few bolts of cloth will make you king?” And they have months to write while George has years

    Dialogue is where D&D excel, they know every facet of the characters, and have enhanced those characters for the better. Don’t tell me that Davos in Braavos speech wasn’t just soooo Davos, and I don’t even like Davos in the books.

  66. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    For the record everyone, believing that GRRM is Not Your Bitch =/= D&D are Our Bitches….One can actually believe that neither party is obligated to do what show fans and/or book purists want. I’m a pragmatist. I’ll be happy if I can get an end to the story either way and if I get both, then I’ll be surprised and delighted.

    Summer,

    Yeah well, if that would be the case, one word for these people: “D&D are not your bitch”!

    Never said they were. You and others are attributing this attitude to all of us who think GRRM should be left alone to write at whatever pace he sees fit. The people at Westeros.org are over there. I’m here and I’m telling you the Not Your Bitch “wankers” are not a uniform group of people for whom you and Valiumstorm Dredbreath can speak.

    clk,

    As much as I’d like more back story, I just don’t see any real evidence that they are even considering doing such things. Nor do I think that HBO will have any delays between seasons or try to do a movie to buy GRRM time. I think that’s always been GRRM’s wishful thinking but D&D have been very specific. They want to finish in 7 seasons and if that’s what they want, that’s what they should do. Book fanatics will have to suck it up and decide to watch and get spoiled or not watch and wait for the books (and they could be waiting forever unfortunately).

  67. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Carol Lang:
    Turncloak,

    Holiday release is excellent marketing strategy. I was really hoping for Nov.-Dec. of 2014. But I won’t hold my breath..
    As to the topic of the big battles…. I think that they’ll use season 5 to move the characters into “position” for the battles in early season 6.

    They have another book for this holiday season so next year is much more probable

    I agree with you about the battles.

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:

    Never said they were. You and others are attributing this attitude to all of us who think GRRM should be left alone to write at whatever pace he sees fit.The people at Westeros.org are over there.I’m here and I’m telling you the Not Your Bitch “wankers” are not a uniform group of people for whom you and Valiumstorm Dredbreath can speak.

    Así se habla señorita!!

  68. zerowolf
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    That’s very funny – GRRM to write most of episodes for seasons 6+7? They wouldn’t be able to start filming till 2030! GRRM is out of the loop – they just don’t want to admit it.

  69. Toby
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    steve:
    Martin at the NIFF conference said They’re at their ceiling in terms of budgeting out a season and paying new actors/actresses. They can’t do it anymore. He didn’t come out and say it, but given this statement, and the lack of any Greyjoys, Connington, Aegon casting news…it’s not looking good for those characters being part of the show.


    Also a battle will happen in season 5. Sounds like the Winterfell one. So he needs to get moving or they are really going to start spoiling things. If there is an omission of the Greyjoys, Connington, and Aegon, that alone spoils things and tells you they’re not that important to the overall ending.

    Hmm black doesnt work again so i shortened the names.

    You being serious they’d cut out G and JC?? And what is Tyrion going to do in that scenario all season??

    Greyjoys seem to be condensed all right. We’ll likely wont get the Kingsmoot. I bet we will get B’s x and Vic / Eu though. The Drowned Priest…i bet HE is cut as well as all the backstory on the islands themselves.

    I do hope we still get Arianne but i fear not.
    Qseems to be cut. He seems to be merely a plotdevice for Dorne not siding with D but with F… There are other ways to achieve that.

  70. Mad Hatter
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Jorge will bring the finger of judgment against them.

  71. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Así se habla señorita!!

    Mi español es lo suficientemente malo que yo no estoy seguro de si su comentario es un cumplido o un insulto. Tal vez debería decir que soy Sra. Ignorante en lugar? :(

  72. strokememarge
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Winnie,

    I was thinking the same thing the other day concerning Dany=Aegon story; perhaps that is why there are rumors that Trystane replaces Arianne and the Sand Snakes take over Arianne’s other traits and subplots. Dany will invade the Stepstones and Doran sends Trystane to woe her. I still hope D&D keep the female heir aspect, perhaps in show Dorne, the oldest of each generation of prince/princesses is chosen as the new ruler. Therefore since Obara is the eldest Sand Snake, and Trystane is younger, she inherits. I could live with this, but it is important one of the girls is the heir apparent to House Martell, to showcase how Dorne goes against the norms of Westeros culture.

    BTW, thank you Mr. Pleper and Mr. Lombardo for having confidence in D&D and the wherewithal to support this project to completion. Because of this, you are keeping your network at the forefront while changing the way television is utilized.

  73. Ashara D
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Arianne is NOT cut. We are just not privy to the casting yet. Hell, they just finalized locations for Dorne! I don’t blame them for tightening security over casting, particularly this season with so many additional characters, and after the shit storm that accompanied Pedro’s casting last year. If the cast budget is truely tight, they may be putting a lot of effort into finding unknowns now that they don’t need the big names to draw in viewers, and that is time-consuming.

    As far as GRRM goes, he would NEVER take over the show. D&D wouldn’t want that, and neither would he at his age; he said so himself in the interview. D&D will continue to write their own conclusion to the story once they pass anything G has given them. As someone who has successfully been able to separate the books from the show, I have no problem with this. I will look forward to both conclusions. That said, tho, I still hold out hope for a finished WoW in 2015–perhaps not as early as I had once hoped, but still 2015. [crosses fingers, etc.]
    Summer,

    Please do not bring that Westeros.com crap to this forum. Many of us are here to escape that hateful bullshit. Thanks.

  74. Summer
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    For the record everyone, believing that GRRM is Not Your Bitch =/= D&D are Our Bitches….One can actually believe that neither party is obligated to do what show fans and/or book purists want.I’m a pragmatist. I’ll be happy if I can get an end to the story either way and if I get both, then I’ll be surprised and delighted.

    Summer,

    Never said they were. You and others are attributing this attitude to all of us who think GRRM should be left alone to write at whatever pace he sees fit.The people at Westeros.org are over there.I’m here and I’m telling you the Not Your Bitch “wankers” are not a uniform group of people for whom you and Valiumstorm Dredbreath can speak.

    clk,

    I never called them wankers. Although some of them probably are. And my comment was meant for the group of people who get angry at D&D if they spoil the books. Like you say, book readers should just suck it up, but a part of them will not and will rant about it and blame HBO and D&D… If these people were the ones blabbing “GRRM is not your bitch”, then they are the wankers who should be told “D&D are not your bitch”. The people I mention do exist and are not hypothetical.

  75. strokememarge
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I personally want the show to go longer than seven, not so as GRRM can catch up, but because the more GoT every year, the happier camper I will be. A bonus is it’s steady work for cast and crew annually. I am sure the crew is happy keeping busy at least 10 months out of the year and the actors have 5-6 months to do other projects.

  76. Tourist
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano:

    Así se habla señorita!!

    Mojiiiitooo, ice cold mojiiitooo! Mojiiitooo? Thai massage? Cervesa? Beer? Tapas?

  77. Jaqen is Q
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Mad Hatter,

    Jorge? Did George change his name?

  78. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    Pau Soriano,

    Mi español es lo suficientemente malo que yo no estoy seguro de si su comentario es un cumplido o un insulto. Tal vez debería decir que soy Sra. Ignorante en lugar?:(

    Es un cumplido, por supuesto! ;)

  79. Blind Beth
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Yep, this. On the one hand I’m not excited about the books being spoiled by the show, but on the other hand I’m relieved to know I’ll definitely get the end of the story one way or the other.

  80. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    strokememarge,

    I personally want the show to go longer than seven

    I’d be happier with more too! I think that with only 7 they are going to cut some major story lines and that’s a shame. But I will take what I can get! :)

  81. H. Stark
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Gwen, Nikolaj, Kit, Rose, Pedro, Rory, Natalie, Sophie and Maisie to appear at Comic-Con! :D

    http://comiccon2014.sched.org/event/6b394d050a945ff5e04f356af746cffc#.U8Agr3J_uSo

  82. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    En ese caso muchas gracias!

  83. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Tourist: Mojiiiitooo, ice cold mojiiitooo! Mojiiitooo? Thai massage? Cervesa? Beer? Tapas?

    lol what a dumb fuck

    Edit: And a coward, too

  84. Sean C.
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    clk:
    One idea: they could make a mini-serie of 3 episodes

    Has been ruled out repeatedly, and doesn’t solve the problem of keeping the cast’s contracts.

  85. Tourist
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: lol what a dumb fuck

    Edit: And a coward, too

    Why my sweet Spain se~nor? :) Please elaboratie! All you do is being offensive against everyone on middle ground or people whom you don’t agree with as well.

  86. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    BEST. PANEL. EVAR.

  87. Streetad
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    There is at least one perfectly serviceable candidate for a ‘battle in the snow’ in the existing books without speculating this could be the Battle of Winterfell. Stannis will presumably be capturing Yara at some point so we may get the fight between the Ironborn and Stannis’s forces at Deepwood Motte or equivalent.

  88. Greenjones
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    For a moment I read Natalie as Nathalie and REALLY got my hopes up. Still a great panel. And hopefully it comes with some casting news…

  89. Morna the Witch
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    That panel sounds epic :)))

  90. mariamb
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Very good, indeed. Nikolaj and Pedro could add a lot of laughs. Who is the moderator?

  91. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Just for the record, by “Not your bitch wankers” I meant those rabid, annoying fans who jump at everyone who rightfully complains, screaming the old, tiresome “Not your bitch” Gaiman quote. The camp who says you’re an entitled, whiny, sad troll if you don’t celebrate everything Martin says or does. Those who say you’re an imbecile if you dare to say Martin should be writing instead of giving middle fingers and travelling around the globe, trying to buy time by insisting in GOT movies.

    If anyone else felt offended -I’m sorry.

  92. Phil
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    The Battle of Winterfell will takes place AT WINTERFELL, not just some random location with Iceland backgrounds dropped in digitally. The battle won’t happen this season, Jon’s not even Lord Commander yet, and they have to do the whole Theon/Reek plotline with fake Arya.

    I’m hoping Winds will be out in January 2016. That’s 5 years since Dance in 2011, which is the same amount of time between Feast and Dance.

  93. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Phil,

    The battle that is coming up in TWOW happens in the ice fields outside of Winterfell. But whatever.

  94. The Bastard
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    I for one don’t look at the show as fan fiction. I look at the show as the actual story and martin’s work as being background stuff.

    The show is better and more timely.

    Martin screwed himself over here.

  95. Arkash
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Phil,

    The battle that is coming up in TWOW happens in the ice fields outside of Winterfell. But whatever.

    We dont know that for sure ! It’s highly probable, but it could also happen that Stannis manages somehow to bring the fight inside the walls of Winterfell.
    None of us know until we’ve read Winds.

  96. H. Stark
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    GoT screening tomorrow at London Comic-Con with a some actors: Shae, Bran, Meera, Cersei, Renly, Loras, Ser Meryn, Lysa and Hodor

    http://www.londonfilmandcomiccon.com/news/373-game-of-thrones-screening

  97. jentario
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Arkash,

    We know an army of Manderlys and Freys are heading towards Stannis’s in the ice field, so the battle will certainly not begin at Winterfell. They’re going to need an expansive snowy location for it, so it makes sense they planned for Iceland being used for the outer-Winterfell scenes of the battle. And I’d like to add that I personally think there will be two separate battles for Winterfell (the one in the ice and later Stannis infiltrating Winterfell). The one we get in season 5 IMO is the one outside.

  98. Mad Hatter
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Jaqen is Q,

    Nah, I just call him that in my head since I spent the first two books reading the Jaime character as “Hymay” (Sp. pronunciation) in my head. ‘Cause that’s how we roll (sometimes) in the American hemisphere. Goddam Jorge. Should maybe use that finger to type some words and sentences.

  99. Seriano
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: “George is an integral part of the creative team, so next season every move is being choreographed very closely with him. Certainly after next year we’ll have to figure it out with George

    Well… if we’re gonna take this phrase in the most literal sense, “after next year” means 2016. Considering that season 5 scripts are mostly done by now, and that in 2015 they will write the ones for season 6, he was talking about season 7+.

    Anyway, we now know that D&D were well aware of what Martin had written for TWOW when they planned season 4, seeing that episode 401′s ending is basically an advanced adaptation of the “Mercy” chapter released in March.

  100. Lady
    Posted July 11, 2014 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    So…to get Kong off his back again he’ll fragment TWOW into two books like he did with AFFC and ADWD….that might allow a 2015 release of TWOW part one. Part two is The Whitewalkers Of Winterfell…

    Me pushing 40 makes me think of my life expectancy for three more books that might be finished in his mid-late 80s….after I’m 50.

    So…I’m glad we have the TV show…and that it has done so well….since we’ll get some end to the story – and that it will be at least relevant – if not the exact GRRM version.

    Thank you D & D

  101. King in the North Carolina
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Ashara D:

    D&D will continue to write their own conclusion to the story once they pass anything G has given them. As someone who has successfully been able to separate the books from the show, I have no problem with this. I will look forward to both conclusions.

    Agreed. The books are great. The show is great. It’s ok if they diverge.

  102. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    I hope GRRM doesn’t finish the books before the show is completed, and that the narrative of the last few seasons is mostly penned by D&D and others. GRRM’s last two books, and his inability to continue writing the story, tell me that he has lost the thread, and that he isn’t inspired anymore. So why not let other good writers carry the baton?

  103. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    The Bastard:
    I for one don’t look at the show as fan fiction. I look at the show as the actual story and martin’s work as being background stuff.

    The show is better and more timely.

    Martin screwed himself over here.

    Agreed. IMO, the show’s quality as a show has surpassed the books’ quality as books (and as compared to the show). The show would not exist without GRRM, but that doesn’t mean that the showrunners, and their team of writers and directors, aren’t better writers/ artists than GRRM.

  104. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    ArgonathofBraavos: Agreed. IMO, the show’s quality as a show has surpassed the books’ quality as books (and as compared to the show). The show would not exist without GRRM, but that doesn’t mean that the showrunners, and their team of writers and directors, aren’t better writers/ artists than GRRM.

    Doesn’t mean that they are, either. To judge that they should have to write a season without the aid of the books. We will be able to judge that in season 7, or even better, after the finish the show and they move forward with their career.

    I don’t understand this hostility towards Martin and this neeed to compare D&D with him. “The show is better than the books!” “D&D are better writerts than George!”

    I mean, why? So resentful is people because they had to wait too much for the books? Or is it because they didn’t like the last 2 books as much? Just because it didn’t meet their expectations thay have to shit on the author who brought us so many hours of ejoyment not only through the books but through the show too?

    Why the ungratefulness?

  105. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    Seriano: Well… if we’re gonna take this phrase in the most literal sense, “after next year” means 2016. Considering that season 5 scripts are mostly done by now, and that in 2015 they will write the ones for season 6, he was talking about season 7+.

    Anyway, we now know that D&D were well aware of what Martin had written for TWOW when they planned season 4, seeing that episode 401′s ending is basically an advanced adaptation of the “Mercy” chapter released in March.

    What understood here is that they are working closely toguether now, to make next year’s season, and that to make season 6 they would have to work even closer because they won’t have the aid of the book. So even if they know the ending they still want Martin’s help and even more so for the last 2 season’s.

    Of course this could just be a thing the suits say, but until proven otherwise I’d like to think it’s true and that there is no feud between D&D and Martin like some people seem to wish there is

  106. loco73
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    Listen, I know you can be cynical about these two dudes and what they are saying…”Game Of Thrones” could just as easily have gone the other way, fortunately for us it didn’t (a fact which we can all celebrate later on in a massive circle jerk/fingerbang, just so as to be politically correct)!

    Now I know that HBO means business and is a business, all these shows are not made for charity and out of the goodness of the non-existent heart of the HBO-Time-Warner (is AOL still part of that) media conglomerate!

    But any, ANY, network that can churn out programming like “Spawn” (animated series), “Carnivale”, “OZ”, “The Wire”, “ROME”, “The Sopranos”, “True Blood”, “Silicon Valley”, “Generation Kill”, “John Adams”, “Elizabeth I”, “Band Of Brothers”, “The Pacific”, “Deadwood”, “Real Time With Bill Maher”, “Last Week Tonight With Jon Oliver”, “The Corner”, “Vice” and hopefully “The Lefovers” and the upcoming “The Knick”, and of course the cherry on top of this television sundae “Game Of Thrones” (not to mention movies and documentaries) gets my vote, hard-earned and almost non-existent disposable income…and a complimentary blowjob…but that is an entirely different matter!

    As a fan of television, I would say that HBO has been part and parcel in my ability to keep my sanity in that whenever I turned on the boob-tube (and whatever other meda platform you can think of) and something as repelent as “Keeping Up With The Kardashians” came on, there was also something as wonderful as “Game Of Thrones” to thrill and entertain me, and add some joy and colour to this fucked-up life…

    So onwards with the show, and I’ll keep on hoping for the best when it comes to “Game Of Thrones”, and being grateful for this show not only having made it to the screen, but succeeded beyond what most of us thought it would…

    Now some of you will say, “Surely you can’t be serious!?”…and I’ll say “Please stop calling me Shirley!” (RIP Leslie Nielsen!!!)

  107. ArgonathofBraavos
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: Argon

    I’m not resentful at all. GRRM can do whatever he wants, IMO, and I have no problem with him taking his time to write the last few books. I certainly wouldn’t want a legion of fan police dictating to me the way I should live my life! So please don’t group me in with the “GRRM’s our bitch” crowd.

    My opinion is simply that I don’t think GRRM is a great writer, and has lost his feel for ASOIAF (as IMO, the first three books are definitely his best across all his work). And I also find D&D, and some of the other writers, to be excellent storytellers.

    But we won’t know until it happens, so I’ll reserve some judgment…

  108. Dame of Mercia
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Wilson Wilson:
    Well it’s not as if GRRM has had since 2006 to get it all these potential issues sorted – oh, wait…

    In 2006 GRRM probably genuinely did think he’d have “Winds of Winter” out by an earlier date than has actually transpired. Argonath, I think that certainly at the beginning of the series, GRRM showed great imagination and was shrewd in giving his story a fictional fantasy background – that way he can be inspired by actual history without having to adhere to it strictly. I also believe his creation of credible personalities is excellent (even if I wish he didn’t create quite so many minor characters). Going by his actual style of writing, I would not say he is my favourite author stylistically though he is a decent writer. I have had thoughts like “How many times do I have to read the word ‘craven’ ?” go through my head, thought “not another description of a feast” and in “Dance with Dragons” I thought “Not another spunky tomboyish girl” about a certain character I think her name was Wylla Manderley The show drew me in and I got through the first three books in last year’s hiatus because I couldn’t wait. I’m up to speed with all the books now so I have no option but to wait…..The middle ages having been a time when the “haves” had a lot and the “have nots” certainly had not, the descriptions of the feasts are probably accurate even if I don’t like them.

  109. Winterfell is Burning
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    All GRRM pacing problems come from the fact he only writes at his own computer at his own home. Have someone convince or force him to write anywhere else in the world and problem solved.

  110. Pau Soriano
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, forcing people is always the best way to solve problems…

    Were are you from? North Korea?

    Winterfell is Burning:
    All GRRM pacing problems come from the fact he only writes at his own computer at his own home. Have someone convince or force him to write anywhere else in the world and problem solved.

  111. Zollander
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Based HBO, showing GRRM how it’s done.

  112. Nym sand
    Posted July 12, 2014 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    s05 will be book 4 and 5 so lets pray that george finish awow in 2015 before s06

  113. Frost
    Posted July 20, 2014 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    For me it’s that almost all of the goodwill built up from the first three books is about gone. Feast and Dance were that bad in my eyes. Not to mention him taking more time for sub-par books, which takes the argument to task ‘You can’t rush art’. Apparently giving it all the time and room it wants doesn’t always work out either. DB however wrote the 25th hour and while televising Game of Thrones, they appear to be skipping most of the filler. They have my vote for being better writers.

  114. Frost
    Posted July 20, 2014 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    As for the contract that exists between reader and author, when a person buys a book in a series, they do so fully expecting the whole story to be told. When you see the author of the series doing everything in his power to avoid writing, you have a right to be disappointed. Turning that around to say ‘he can’t do anything but right.’ Or somehow turn that into ‘GRRM is my bitch.’ is extremely disingenuous. Wanting a storyteller to finish telling his story is expected. I just don’t get someone defending them not actively trying to do that.

    Old man’s lost the plot. in 14 years he’s put out two books that do virtually nothing to advance the plot. To me that’s not someone actively trying to tell a story, that’s someone trying hard not to have to anymore. Feast and Dance could have been (some could argue should have been) one book and it wouldn’t have affected anything. The editing has gotten so bad we can get 10+ chapter of dany and jon doing nothing, but somehow there isn’t room for the actual climax of the book. I don’t get the logic in that one bit.

    He’s gotten so in love with his own world that he’d rather just explore it than tell a coherent story, so here’s to getting the ending from D+D, with martin writing an adaptation sometime in the future. Maybe.

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