Tara Fitzgerald cast in season three?

Given they’ve cast Shireen then it’s logical to imagine Dragonstone stuff is at the front of the S3 shooting schedule, so yes, Selyse.

I suppose the actress might fit other smallish roles like Taena of Myr or Dalla, both of whom are in ASoS, but since neither of those is even on the confirmed to be cast list…

Dalla or Val?

As I said on twitter, I can’t see Selyse requiring athletic abilities. I’m more inclined to think Val.

Mormegil,

Could be a clever ruse to keep us guessing….????

It could just be pure speculation on the writer’s part. We said Gwendoline CHristie was too pretty for Brienne and look how well they turned out. I hope they keep her little moustache.

Sandy Love,

Said basically the same thing on the previous post. I think the London Evening has no idea what role she’ll be playing and just assumed she would need the skills of say Arya.

Macha,

Agreed, saw your comment after my previous one.

Samantha Hirst,

Jesus Christ, no way , why do people keep saying this . No offense to the actress but she doesn’t fit Val at all and I know they don’t really cast the characters after the book descriptions but even this would be a tad too far .

As others have said, the writer probably doesn’t know who she’s playing and just assumed it’s going to involve some action.

Luisa Mercier,

What? This is even more ridiculous , lol .

Luisa Mercier,
Meera’s a teen. Tara is 44. Selyse is the right age. Too old for Val and she can be made to look sickly like Selyse.

Luisa Mercier,

She’s 44, so there’s no way she’ll be Meera…Selyse is much more likely since Stephen Dillane is only 10 years older

Claudiu Gherganu,

Well Jesus Christ why are people so insistent that she’s Selyse? Because, in my opinion, she doesn’t fit Selyse. Not at all. Does she fit the description for Val, no, but with the ‘running ability’ comment, it seemed to be the role that fit more than a sickly wife who does absolutely fuck all.

And as for why people keep saying it. Well, hmm, let me think. We’re allowed an opinion, so stop jumping down people’s bloody throats just because they don’t agree with you.

Could be Selyse. Although she looks kinda MILFish, I can see why Stannis played peek & poke with Carice instead.
Also, beautiful actresses can be made non-attractive more easily than vice versa – cue Gwendoline Christie.

Samantha Hirst:
Claudiu Gherganu,

Well Jesus Christ why are people so insistent that she’s Selyse? Because, in my opinion, she doesn’t fit Selyse. Not at all. Does she fit the description for Val, no, but with the ‘running ability’ comment, it seemed to be the role that fit more than a sickly wife who does absolutely fuck all.

And as for why people keep saying it. Well, hmm, let me think. We’re allowed an opinion, so stop jumping down people’s bloody throats just because they don’t agree with you.

You’re allowed to have an opinion but i’m gonna call you out on it if i think it’s wrong and doesn’t really make sense . Which it’s the case with yours , no offense !

when does selyse do any running? surely wildling royalty.

In the article she compares theatre/tv to a marathon/sprint, so ‘running skills’ probably refers to that rather than a very physical role.

She is much prettier than book-Selyse, but we’ve seen with Brienne that makeup can work wonders, so if she is Selyse I’m sure she’ll look appropriate when in character. It may be that the role will be bigger in the TV show than the books.

In the books it’s Selyse who introduces Melisandre to Stannis, she pushes the red god religion first. ‘Queen’s men’ are loyal to her and/or Mel and make up a good proportion of Stannis’ forces. I’d be really interested to hear what Melisandre and Selyse talk about when Stannis isn’t around.

Aegon the Conqueror: As has been stated several times before the article author was probably just speculating that because its GoT she will need to do running, don’t read to much into it.

Well maybe they’ve added a Patch Face as Benny Hill scene … she’d have to run for that.

Shinyteapot: I’d be really interested to hear what Melisandre and Selyse talk about when Stannis isn’t around.

Oh you know, the usual, praising R’hllor and rating Stannis’ abilities in bed.

The article’s unsigned, so most likely the bit about running is just fluff to fill space shoved in by a staff journo who knows that TF will be in GoT… but that’s it.

Actually, if they gave her the Brienne treatment (took away her makeup, make her look a bit haggard, etc.) she’d look surprisingly close to my mental image of Selyse.

Gotta be Selyse.

You understand that the actress is 44 correct?

Thanos:
Well if she is required to ‘run’ can either be a wildling or Meera Reed.

Peppe: Maybe she is a women of house Tyrell? Margaery and Loras’ mother?

Here’s how Tower of the Hand has her described as:

She has tall with a long silver braid.

It also says she is in the 3rd book, even though I haven’t read it yet. So, possible I suppose. That’d seem to be a really, really minor character though.

Reading the description of Selyse, this actor could easily be made to look like that with makeup. I don’t know if they’ll go to the extremes that GRRM describes, but she could be made unattractive with makeup. Anyone can.

Does Tara Fitzgerald have a Twitter/FB account? Was going to follow her, but not seeing anything.

ASOIAF Fan:
Selyse doesn’t seem likely unless they expand her role.
I’m not even talking about the “running” part, as previously said, the writer may not have any idea which role she was cast for and just assumethat a GoT part requires athleticism.
But i really don’t see such an established actress take such a problematic role (very few scenes to play but across a lot of season).
She would be too old for Val/Meera/Dalla so my best guess would also be Taena.
Won’t comment on the choice other than to say that i now trust Nina and the casting team enough to know that they know better than me.

Selyse is in a lot of scenes in ADWD. They will probably make a shortcut and have her and Shireen travelling with Stannis directly to the wall (instead of staying in another castle). Plus this season will mainly have Stannis on Dragonstone, so her role will probably be extended a bit.

Hi-Fi,

They can expand her role but i just don’t see the need to, Stannis has Davos,Mel and Shireen to play with and they’re all more interesting characters than Selyse.
I could see a “big” actress for the role if they cut the character for the next 2 or 3 seasons but that’s not what they’re planning so i’m sticking to my guess of Taena who is the only char for Cersei to play with in a number of scenes.

I suppose the author could have just been assuming she’ll be filming in Northern Ireland, but I think Cersei’s scenes will mainly be filmed in Croatia.

Also Taena doesn’t really start interacting with Cersei until AFFC. Cersei should have plenty of characters in interact with in S3/4, between Joffrey, Tywin, Tyrion, Sansa, Marg, Littlefinger, etc.

Macha,

Maybe another one of Dany’s handmaiden ?

nice catch Lya

Interesting catch about Nathalie Emmanuel , Hollyoaks looks familiar, are there other cast members from that show?

Wes:
When I heard that her athleticism was considered and that she’d be doing a lot of running, the first character I thought of was Meera. I didn’t read all the comments, but I’m surprised that, in all the ones I read, there was not one mention of that.

Assuming you’re talking about Fitzgerald, it’s been mentioned several times. It’s also been pointed out that the actress is in her mid-40s.

Nathalie Emmanuel:

Landed safely in Belfast!

Ah man! Feeling a bit sore from horse riding!

If this isn’t Game of Thrones then I am Santa Claus.

Lya: I think Nathalie Emmanuel is also cast https://twitter.com/#!/missnemmanuel just go through her tweets and see the people she’s following (plus – john bradley follows her)

Perhaps Missandei?

She is 44.

Wes:
When I heard that her athleticism was considered and that she’d be doing a lot of running, the first character I thought of was Meera. I didn’t read all the comments, but I’m surprised that, in all the ones I read, there was not one mention of that.

EDIT: Perhaps she’s too old. Though she doesn’t LOOK it.

Chrysea,

Have no idea. Maybe it’s a brand new character, like what they did with Kovarro? Dany does need a new handmaiden…

Who gives a fuck, is she playing mance? No! Who is playing the king beyond the wall? Abel? Bael the bard come again? Who who who??????????

msd: People are taking the “running skills” comment too literally. Journalists put vaguely pointless asides like that into articles all the time. It’s just a throwaway comment, not a casting clue.

Exactly. It was nothing more than a really bad segue. The point of the article was to show how “in shape” Tara Fitzgerald was, and they poorly used that as a bridge to say “Well she’ll need to be in shape because she’s in a war show now!”

I saw this actress in an adaptation of Jane Eyre (she was aged), she´s a good actress and has a very nice distinctive voice. Selyse is the only one I can imagine for her.

J,

She just left Belfast so I’m guessing she flew up there to read the script and learn how to ride a horse. She’s probably not filming for a while assuming episode 306 is her first.

Superdeluxe,

I assume everything involving the storylines centered on Robb, Stannis, Arya and probably Bran. I suppose Theon as well, if they do continue his storyline into season 3.

FYI. Sarah Bolger had a tweet stating she was in Belfast, but I can no longer find that tweet.

Macha,

I hope Missandei remains a child but you know, I understand that they choose not to work with children. I will miss her face though.

Kerry Ingram (Shireen) just tweeted:

On my way back from Belfast :)

So it seems like several new cast members flew to Belfast to get their scripts and training.

andrea,

Even if they age up Missandei I seriously doubt it will 34 years!

Carne: Based on her ethnicity I don’t think so. Might be Missandei or someone in Astopor.

Probably right. I figured maybe they’d want to show wildlings of all colors, shapes, and sizes. But geoethnically (I think I just made up a word), that doesn’t make much sense. You’re right, she’s probably Essos-bound.

Would be kinda fun to see her sitting on the ground, pulling on Stannis’ leg…

“Get off me woman!”

DaveB: Probably right. I figured maybe they’d want to show wildlings of all colors, shapes, and sizes. But geoethnically (I think I just made up a word), that doesn’t make much sense. You’re right, she’s probably Essos-bound.

I agree. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense to have a multi-ethnic wildling population, as they’re supposed to be the purest descendents of the First Men, and therefore a mostly homogenous group. Though, I guess you could rationalize it as trading ships that have crashed along the coast.. bit of a stretch.

Looks like Nathalie Emmanuel is going to be an aged up Missandei. I think aging her up is a good choice.

Winter Is Coming,

Bring on a new crop of Dothraki, seeing as the previous group were all killed off!

Bolger had to have removed her tweet about being in Belfast!

Vanderhook: I noticed that too. You might be on to something there. Hopefully they cast another bloodrider too. It’s kind of weird that she pretty much has only one now, and he wasn’t even around at the same time as Rakharo was.. so it’s like shes only had one all along.

Don’t forget Malakho! He seemed to be one of her final remaining Dothraki towards the end of Season 2, which I find hilarious for some reason. I love this guy!

http://images.wikia.com/gameofthrones/images/b/bf/Malakho.png

My out on a limb idea concerning Nathalie Emmanuel is she has been cast as Arianne (I noticed it was only one script, not more), so perhaps we get a brief intro to the Dornish world, to prep the viewer for season 4. Remember this is an adaption, so D&D can take us behind the scenes of Westeros, showing us events that were hinted at or logically took place while the events in the books were happening.
Ms. Emmanuel has all the attributes of Princess Martell, twenty something, gorgeous, elegant, athletic and she also has that Moorish look about here. So if noone has mentioned it yet, I get dibbs.

tysnow: My out on a limb idea concerning Nathalie Emmanuel is she has been cast as Arianne

Interesting theory…and they ARE adding Morocco as a location for the upcoming season. I always pictured Dorne as having a North African feel to it.

Please correct me if I´m wrong, but wasn´t Selyse in a short scene last season? I think I remember Stannis leaving the fire and almost forgetting to take her along. Who played her then and why do they recast?

It’s funny how we don’t even need casting clues to be on the hunt.

Some great finds.

Vanderhook,

Don’t they already have a multi-ethnic group of Wildlings? Compare Natalia Tena to Rose Leslie, for example. Tena is actually of Spanish descent (which fans commonly associate with Dorne, rather than Beyond the Wall), and Leslie is of Scottish descent. It’s not exactly the difference between Daxos and Ducksauce, but it’s about as close as it comes in Europe.

So, I’d say it’s a little too late for Wildling homogeneity.

tysnow,
Not impossible, though you’d think that if the Martells were in, they’d also show Myrcella being there, and from what I recall Aimee Richardson will be absent from S3.

Aegon the Conqueror,
I agree, it’s what I expected as well, but then again the majority of non-book readers seem to think Stannis will bite the dust soon anytime now, so maybe they wanted to keep his arrival at the Wall and subsequent victory a secret for as much as they can.

EDIT:
Shinyteapot,
You’re right, though I was hoping that a new handmaiden would mean someone of non-Dothraki origins, simply because their decision of killing off Irri would then make less sense to me.

Ed,

Now for all the times I’ve made fun of people crying about certain lines/scenes being removed from the show, I would feel bad if they don’t have that bit.

blackbird7309: e a

Generally they recast because the person used at that point is not considered to be the right actor for the part — basically, they aren’t considered to be good enough in some way. They are generally extras — and can be actors — but often can be someone who just looks right and can do a passable head nod or look. Beric was one, Selyse, as well as Brad, the Hound’s friend. Even the King’s Landing Butler, IIRC, was someone from the crew and not necessarily a trained experience actor. They simply may not be able to do what is expected of them once they get lines.

As to why they don’t cast earlier, it’s expensive. Aside from the time and effort to cast, the payment structure to have someone like Tara Fitzgerald cast, rehearse, be on set and then reserve her for this season is much more expensive than grabbing an extra/feature extra or crew member who has the right look.

It’s a budget and convenience thing. Most programs don’t ever have to worry about this. They don’t have the ridiculously sized cast of GoT or such an intricate plot where minor characters gain prominence.

We’ve seen this now at least twice (Beric, and Selyse) and avoiding this is why they avoiding showing us Thoros in Season 1 or why Robb’s group of identified counselors changes completely between Season 1 and 2. Why didn’t we meet Karstark until right when he became important? Budget. Why was Greatjohn not even in the background in Season 2. Budget. Why was Roose not introduced in Season 1 or even in the background? Budget.

She Tweeted about it within the last 2 weeks, I actually commented on another WIC post talking about how Bolger was in Belfast.

But now any mention of Belfast is gone from her twitter.

Carne:
Superdeluxe,

Did she say so? When did she tweet about Belfast?

Lya:
I think Nathalie Emmanuel is also cast https://twitter.com/#!/missnemmanuel just go through her tweets and see the people she’s following (plus – john bradley follows her)

Is it possible that Iwan Rheon will be playing Ramsay Bolton? She’s following him on Twitter, and they don’t seem to have ever worked together previously. As for who she’ll be playing, I’m assuming it’ll be a part for a character in Essos. Exciting stuff.

As for the part of Selyse being filled – I always figured that Stannis’ story line would be expanded, and/or even shuffled around to include Edric Storm, so this doesn’t surprise me. I think we can all look forward to Stephen Dillane really digging into the role this year, and for that, I’m very excited.

LOVE Tara Fitzgerald. Her voice alone is reason enough to be excited.

Just a thought, but could she be filling the role of Jeyne’s Mother?

Retracted after reading the actress’s age. Definitely not a 44 year old playing Meera haha.

I tweaked the contrast and saturation of the Instagram pic of the script. Much easier to read Game of Thrones, but I cannot make out anything else any better sadly.
http://spoilertv.co.uk/images/cache/game-of-thrones/Misc/Casting/7790c97ec11a11e180c9123138016265_7_FULL.jpg

OF all the days to have a planned lunch date!
Is it wrong to cancel on a friend you have not seen in 3 years because there are Thrones casting rumors breaking…….. Is it?
Ack, Pfffft!

We need to cast some Shagwell.

What about Natalie Emmanuel playing Taena? She does fit the physical description from the books, except for possibly being slightly too young. The horseriding does rather sound like Missandei/Handmaiden, though.

Julian Walker: he

The needed athleticism line is most likely a throwaway comment just referencing what the author thinks of the genre of the show.

I suppose you could age up Meera tremendously and change her relationship to Howland (sister, not daughter), but I doubt they’d do that.

Selyse is one option (and yes, she’s too pretty, but that doesn’t stop anyone in this industry) and I think Dalla is another. Val is supposed to be younger and undoubtedly will be, but Dalla is Mance’s woman. Since the Mance is likely to be middle-aged (and remember, Ned is like 33 in the books and a 50ish Sean Bean played him), having too young a woman play Dalla might not be desireable.

I realize that older man/really young woman is not unusual even today, but honestly, it carries a certain implication about the motives/personality of the man in modern terms that I doubt D&D want to put onto Mance. Mance is a renaissance man of sorts – King, Fighter, Poet, Musician, Philosopher. In medieval times, marrying a young woman was for the bedroom and the heirs that came of it. But in modern terms, it would color Mance in our modern audience’s eyes as somewhat of a lech if he’s 45 and she’s 25.

Which is my roundabout way of saying it’s probably Selyse, but she could play Dalla.

Since her much publicised interest in the show, I have a hard job thinking of anyone else but Charlize for Val %-)

Ours is the Fury,

I agree.
Why I said it was mmore important for Val than Dalla….

Superdeluxe: Interesting catch about Nathalie Emmanuel , Hollyoaks looks familiar, are there other cast members from that show?

Finn Jones (briefly) and Roxanne Mckee were both in Hollyoaks. I don’t think anyone else was.

Tar Kidho,

I was thnking of Eve for a few roles, but he never felt just right for any to me. Of course seeing him in the role he would be better than me imagining him! XD

He seems a bit too youthful and solid to be Thoros… maybe he could play Qyburn? He has that “fatherly” look to him and the grey hair.

Joshua Taylor,

Ha! XD
Why do I feel more like they thrust the sceptre instead of being beat with it?
Hmm….. : /
Ha! XD

dizzy_34,

I went….
Luckily my friend had to be back to work so it was one of those quick business lunches that last like 30 minutes….. Reminded me of eating lunch in high school or something… Felt rushed eating so fast.

When I waited tables I used to love working lunches at this downtown business friendly restaurant! All the tables turn so fast and it’s a mad rush and then you’re done….
Not like this waiting for casting news, which is more a marathon than a sprint.

On the twitter there is rumours there is a girl named Charlotte Hope cast as a Myranda.

Wonder who this Myranda character will be if it turns out true.

DaveB: Remember, we had Sir John Standing (a VERY well respected actor) as Jon Arryn’s dead body.

It’s not the same thing to play a minor role in a single season as a cameo than playing a small role that stays for multiple seasons (meaning multiple big $ checks for a few scenes, not very smart business-wise).

andrea,

Oh my bad, misunderstood. Looks like I mis type and misunderstand alot these days.

OhDanyBoy,

via http://www.screenterrier.com/ . That website has a pretty good trackrecord if I’m not mistaken so we can take this one quite seriously.

Vanderhook,

Yeah but Jaime is an interesting character to begin with, why would they expand the role of Selyse when all the other characters with Stannis are more interesting?

Knurk:
On the twitter there is rumours there is a girl named Charlotte Hope cast as a Myranda.

Wonder who this Myranda character will be if it turns out true.

Missandei?

Lex,

Ahh, now that does make more sense if Myranda is a name changed role!
Missandei is close enough to Melisandre that D&D could want to change it I bet.
Nice catch….

She certainly is not how I envisioned Missandei or a sister to some unsullied, but…… name wise it works.

Not saying i think she is Meera, but why would this be outlandish? Because the reeds’ story is obviously changed why couldn’t she be a Osha figure to Joren? It would make a lot more sense on why Osha allows Bran to go North without her. He goes off with Meera while she takes Rickon to Shaggos. Thus, Osha doesn’t go North (her desire), and she leaves Bran in the care of Hodor and Meera. Hodor can’t be counted on to make the proper decisions, but an intelligent adult Meera could be? Just food for thought.

Wow, Charlotte Hope really does look exactly how I pictured Meera in my head. Really awesome eyes!

Pepi,

I can just see it
Selyse “Would you like me to call Mellisandre to get you started, I’m sure she wouldn’t mind.”
Stannis “What?”
Selyse “Or I can turn around and you can pretend I’m her!” Lol

Knurk,

Myranda Royce is a character associated with the Vale.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Myranda_Royce
Most likely coming in to play when Petyr absconds there with Sansa.

Nick Larter,

Since her much publicised interest in the show, I have a hard job thinking of anyone else but Charlize for Val %-)

Nope, Charlize will be playing Septa Lemore come season 5, hopefully.

Aegon the Conqueror: just that he would be victorious. SOmething the series watchers already heard from Mellisandre.

Yeah but look how well that turned out in King’s Landing. ;) Anyway, I hope they revisit that scene next season, with him alluding to what he saw. Speaking of Dragonstone, if there’s one scene I can’t wait for it’s the one where Stannis casts the leeches into the fire naming the usurpers, that really made an impression when I first read it.

tysnow,

No don’t get us all excited here, you might give Peter Dinklage a heartattack!
BTW check out the swimsuit nun in the trailer for the three stooges and ask yourself if that’s not exactly how you always pictured Septa Lemore.

Too attractive for Stannis’ old ball and chain.

And too skinny for any of the spear wives.

Impi: Did you look at that pic of Charlotte Hope though?She really looks like Meera imo…

Doesn’t look anything like Meera to me.

Impi: revisit that scene next season, with him alluding to what he saw. Speaking of Dragonstone, if there’s one scene I can’t wait for it’s the one where Stannis casts the leeches into the fire naming the usurpers, that really made an impression when I first read it.

  

A woman thinks that Ms. Hope looks like a cousin to Margaery Tyrell, and Ms. Fitzgerald could be Margaery’s mother…we could be looking at the Tyrell tribe growing before our eyes. After all, Cersei gets freaked out by all the Tyrells seemingly INVADING Kings Landing, which is why she plots to bring them all down to keep her power. She does not trust any of them. AND, remember, Margaery loves to take her cousins out horse riding, so that probably will have to be at least one scene next season. Remember her saying “Bring the horses” to Loras she leaving Storms End? She loves her horses and riding. A woman thinks all who have mentioned so far could be Tyrells.

PS…Trevor Eve would be an AWESOME Lord Connington/Grif, right?

Aegon the Conqueror,

By nun you mean Kate Upton right?

The only smallish argument against Tyrells is that I sort of had in my head they were doing NI stuff soonish. So I expected to see more Dragonstone and ex-Winterfell stuff before the KL stuff.

darquemode,

Boy, for fans of the books you folks are bad with names. Myranda is the slutty-mouthed young noblewoman who hangs out with Sansa on the donkey ride out of the Eyrie. “Ran-da.”

I think what people mean is that there isn’t a Myranda in ASOS

Myranda Royce isn’t introduced until late in AFFC, and really can’t be worked in earlier unless they’re doing the purple wedding early this season, which seems unlikely, or unless she is in KL for some reason sooner, which would be weird since she’d then recognize Sansa later. but ultimately who knows, the changes will likely build up over the seasons and it could very well be her, I just think that’s likely why people weren’t considering her, rather than simple oversight.

Mrs. H’ghar,

Ditto, to your idea that we are seeing the birthing of the bevy of bitches (I can see Cersei saying this) from the Tyrell Clan. Ms. Fitzgerald is too elegant, attractive and lively for being Ms. Stonecold, and I easily can see Hope as cousin and handmaiden to Dormer.
If this pans out, it’s going to get hellishly hot in KL and the set, not to mention this forum, enfact so hot it will melt our LC displays.

Joshua Taylor:
Aegon the Conqueror,

By nun you mean Kate Upton right?

Kate Upton is ridiculous, but she’s about 20 years old. Obviously too young for Septa Lemore.

tysnow:
Mrs. H’ghar,

Ditto, to your idea that we are seeing the birthing of the bevy of bitches (I can see Cersei saying this) from the Tyrell Clan. Ms. Fitzgerald is too elegant, attractive and lively for being Ms. Stonecold, and I easily can see Hope as cousin and handmaiden to Dormer.
If this pans out, it’s going to get hellishly hot in KL and the set, not to mention this forum, enfact so hot it will melt our LC displays.

Do you mean that a woman might have to sing “It’s gettin’ hot in here, so take off all your clothes….” ??????? : – 0

PS…Isn’t it also possible that some of the minor characters later on will be combined, for example Mya Stone and Myranda from the books combined into one character that would share both of their lines (instead of hiring 2 MORE minor characters)? Just putting that out as a possibility to consider going forward, as we don’t really know WHICH story lines they’re going to continue with in Season 3. Some will have to be deferred to Season 4, right?

The Rabbit:
Here s the link to Charlotte Hope CV: http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/F134702.html

5’3″ (160cm) :) Short enough for a Reed?

The Rabbit,

Nice find Rabbit! Thanks.

It’s good to have confirmation…..

Sorry for the rant! :D

Julian Walker:
Sorry for the rant! :D

Calm down my friend, a woman thinks you have not read all the other posts guessing that Ms. Fitzgerald may be playing Margaery’s mother or Selyse? We don’t know, but most agree that it’s probably not Meera. There are several younger women also recently appearing to have connections to the show who may be Meera, perhaps you are confusing the somewhat disconnected conversations on this thread?

Superdeluxe,

Not for about 5 hours…

Superdeluxe:
To be fair several people have said her for Meera..as well as in Twitter.

If one wanted to be silly, one could compare the suggestion of Ms. Fitzgerald playing Meera to Mary Martin playing Peter Pan. It’s been done, but probably not these days as there are so many more actors available today.

Have we already moved on that Hope is Myranda from the Vale?

Macha:
Julian Walker,
Keep up, my friend, we’re in the middle of a ‘is Charlotte Hope filling the part of Meera/Missandei/some Tyrell’ debate right now. :)
God, one day we’ll look back on this thread and the sound of our facepalms will be deafening.

Superdeluxe,

Well, aside from the fact that she’s too young and Myranda doesn’t appear til near the end of AFFC (which would likely be around Season 6)…

Ooh, Charlotte Hope looks like a perfect Meera to my eyes. We’ll see. I hope they don’t change the name though.

I’m cool with these choices, Tara/Selyse Nathalie/Missandei Charlotte/Meera

I just hope they don’t change Meera’s name to Myranda, makes no sense. the sound alike excuse doesn’t apply. plus meera is way cooler, sorry myrandas

tysnow:
Nick Larter,

Nope, Charlize will be playing Septa Lemore come season 5, hopefully.

That would be cool too! :D

Macha:
Here’s a thought. If Hope is playing Meera with a different name, why not add her surname in her CV – Myranda Reed? Could be I’m grasping at straws here, but IMO this adds up to the Missandei sounds too similar to Melisandre theory which – I have to concur – is the best I’ve heard so far.

I agree totally with your logic….it is just now that I have seen her, I want Charlotte Hope to be Meera…plus then what would Nathalie be? The name change thing makes more sense for Missandei….I will still hold out hope for Hope.

Mrs. H’ghar: A woman thinks it’s possible that Ms. Hope was given the name Myranda for auditioning purposes in order to keep the Meera casting secret, no?

Oh, I hope you are right!

TF could be Lady Alerie but a) she’s got an extremely small and seemingly unimportant role in the books compared to Selyse, b) we’ve got no word that Alerie is being cast, as opposed to Selyse being confirmed, c) we also have confirmation on QoT, who is much more significant (and epically badass) as a mentor/matron of the family than Alerie, and d) TF seems a lil too big of a name for Alerie unless they are substantially increasing her role. Selyse just seems so much more likely, looks aside.

ETA: as far as looks/book description, Katie Dickie was nothing like Lysa, but she was outstanding in the role. On the show Selyse has only been described as sickly, not ugly, as in the books.

I’ve heard they are changing Jojen’s name to Jojenda.

44 year old as the love interest of a 12 year old kid.

Hope is too old for Meera, she is 21 and Isaac is 13-14, and I know Meera is 5 years older in the books, but thats to big of a difference for tv viewers.

Where is this Meera as Bran’s “love interest” thing coming from?

I seriously doubt Hope is Meera. It would have said so on her CV (as already pointed out).

Probably a made up character or some name swapping going on.

Hi-Fi:
Going by the info in this thread, I’m going to guess:

Tara Fitzgerald – Selyse Baratheon
Sarah Bolger – Meera Reed
Nathalie Emmanuel – Missandei
Charlotte Hope – one of Margaery’s cousins renamed.

That was also a woman’s first thought (expressed poorly above), but was thrown by Ms. Hopes green eyes (when I saw her CV), which is what Meera also is supposed to have in the book. But your listing is probably correct, many could have green eyes.

Well before Natalie Dormer was selected to play Margery, I know Sarah was a popular choice to be Margery.

Lin Beifunk:
I dunno, I think Bolger looks like Margaery enough to be related to her…

http://i.imgur.com/UBFbi.png

But that’s just my opinion.

Of course, it could be that Bolger DOES look too much like Margaery and they want to split them up so those alleged Confused Viewers can tell them apart. In which case, it’s very much possible Bolger is Meera or some other young girl character.

Now would be a great time to release information, HBO execs! :)

Vini:
she lacks ears.

That’s an easy fix if the GoT producers feel it’s that important, in a woman’s opinion of course. Ask Leonard Nimoy.

Would be quite interesting if we actually are getting “Myranda Royce” so soon. Ever since the end of AFFC I’ve suspected she’ll end up playing a large part in the Petyr/Sansa arc.

Interesting news. Tara Fitzgerald is a very established actress here in the UK. She got her first big break in The Camomile Lawn, the same mini-series that also boosted Jennifer Ehle (our original Catelyn from the pilot) to success. A very good actress, and a good fit for Selyse. Not sure what other roles would be suitable for here.

Couldn’t she be Oberyn’s paramour, Ellaria Sand? She does have some half grown daughters, so is not that young.

Sarah Bolger and Natalie Dormer were both in “The Tudors”…

Be cool of they are reunited in GoT.

As already stated, it’s obvious there has been a misinterpretation here. I don’t think the actress will require any actual running skills for this role.

Problem is the Standard article has the actress comparing acting on a play / acting on a tv show to a marathon / sprint.

With this piece of information, I’d say she’ll be Selyse.
She’s too old to play Dalla or Val.

Whoever she’s playing, that’s wonderful news! I loved her in Waking the Dead. Great show. Check it out if you haven’t seen it yet. Fitzgerald gets to play around on a body farm.

my first thought was, like some have already said, is that she’s too pretty to play Selyse.

But some of her less flattering photos on Google images make me think that HBO could totally make her “TV ugly” enough to be Stannis’s homely wife:
http://wooller.com/sites/wooller/gallery/11094/DW_dolls_house_0305.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01440/ptara1_1440553c.jpg

Definitely not an unattractive lady, though

tysnow:
Hope is too old for Meera, she is 21 and Isaac is 13-14, and I know Meera is 5 years older in the books, but thats to big of a difference for tv viewers.

I don’t think Hope is cast as Meera, but that’s certainly not too old for Bran to have a crush — and even what little hints there are in the books hardly even constitutes a crush.

Since there’s no actual romantic relationship in the books, I’m not sure why the age difference is an issue. I know it’s a popular ‘shipping topic here, but people should take a listen to Martin when he seems baffled in interviews about ‘shipping. For example, he’s baffled that people actually want Sandor and Sansa to get together. I suspect Bran’s interest in Meera is burgeoning puberty and not some hints at anything that will actually happen.

Alan
For example, he’s baffled that people actually want Sandor and Sansa to get together.

I don’t think that’s correct. Take the interview that WIC posted on this very website a few days ago. GRRM didn’t sound “baffled” that people would like to see a San-San happy ending; to the contrary, he sounded mostly understanding as to why people would want that.

darquemode,

If Sarah Bolger is in fact cast as Meera (which I highly doubt, she is such a big name). I will have to drop everything I am doing and run around the block a few times to release my excitement and joy!

This would also mean D&D would boost Meera’s role and feed Sarah lots of lines and screen time. You don’t let a talent like that go to waste. Bran’s storyline would quickly have just as much talented interactions as those at Kings Landing…

Please HBO say it is true!

Alan: I’ll have to watch it again, but I believe there’s a direct line where he says he was shocked that people want them to get together.

There’s no doubt that Sandor has some kind of feelings for Sansa, but I don’t think Martin really expected people to root for the much older, vicious killer who doesn’t even know her and threatens to rape her to be someone that people supported in his quest.

As for Meera and Bran, there’s no doubt Bran has some level of feelings, but there’s really no evidence for “desperately in love.”A thirteen year old desperately in love doesn’t think just in small, subtle hints.Perhaps Martin wrote it poorly, or perhaps I missed it, but I didn’t see examples of someone desperately lovesick.Quotes?

I don’t have my book handy, but when she starts crying in book 5 (won’t reveal the circumstances, so as to be non-spoilery), Bran fantasizes that he could hold her in his arms and comfort her and even considers taking over Hodor’s body so he can accomplish just that.

There’s a lot of other textual meat on the subject as well.

MATTHEW: Missandei has to be a sweet little girl

I know, but I already feel defeated.

Thinking about it, Hope may actually be playing Myranda from the Vale. Since Littlefinger is absent for a while during Book 3, we may see him going to the Vale to court Lysa. Myranda could be introduced there.

I think Selyse is a good guess. Now all they need to do is put something behind her ears to make them stand out more, as a bat-eared Florent, and then hire Martin Clunes to play Alester Florent and they’re ready to shoot!

MATTHEW: From the books.The text makes it pretty clear that Bran is desperately in love with Meera.He can’t act on it, obviously, as he is prepubescent and paralyzed besides

Bran is a warg, so, yeah he could act upon it.

She removed the Belfast mention. I scoured her tweets all the way back to may
darquemode,

Rygar:
If I were Bran, I’d warg myself into Jaqen and bang all of Westeros.

That was for you, Mrs. :)

A woman thinks you are a naughty boy and need to be spanked! Frequently!

Mrs. H’ghar,

“A woman thinks you are a naughty boy and need to be spanked! Frequently!”

I’m naughty too! What about me!?!

Arthur:
Mrs. H’ghar,

“A woman thinks you are a naughty boy and need to be spanked! Frequently!”

I’m naughty too!What about me!?!

Line up boys, a woman has a warm paddle and is in the mood. OK, don’t get carried away, have to save some energy for the ‘ole ball and chain!

Hi-Fi: Thinking about it, Hope may actually be playing Myranda from the Vale

This is a great guess – seems to fit way better than Selyse! (IMO)
Hi-Fi,

Arthur:
Rygar,

Meera is Bran’s girl.No doubt about it.I don’t mean anyway sexual so don’t badger me about that.I am just saying all logic points towards the direction of Bran and Meera being a couple…Eventually.

I don’t think Bran’s going to be a part of any couple, any time soon… He’s a tree.

Lex,
Ha. Not to mention that Meera probably prefers chicks.

Mrs. H’ghar: A woman thinks you are a naughty boy and need to be spanked! Frequently!

LOL. What is it King Joff’s Name Day already? Go grab Ros and the royal scepter!

Rygar:

A woman LOLZ!

patchy face,

link?

patchy face:
abh87,

Think this is link – http://screencrush.com/game-of-thrones-season-3-casting/

Sorry a you’ll have to cut and paste – things aren’t working right now.

Funny, a woman noticed that the speculation mentioned was actually HER OWN comment from THIS THREAD about 8 hours ago today, so this article appears to have been sourced with information from THIS THREAD (and maybe Twitter)! WOW! We’re a source now!

Arthur,

If I remember correctly, the description of her in the books was that she was very attractive. Seems like maybe a character that they may make a little bigger for the show than she was in the books…she had an interesting story with some mystery, and it kind of made you want to know more about her than we got after reading the books.

If Hope is Myranda Royce (maybe a merging of Myranda Royce and Mya Stone), then they will probably make her one of Margaery’s Ladies in Waiting and become a Jeyne Pool of sorts to Sansa. She may even be an agent of Littlefinger’s in KL and at the Eyrie as well. She also represents the Eyrie in KL, reminding the audience to make way for the return of Lysa in season 4.

Bonnie Blue,

I didn’t know who Sarah Bolger was either until people here kept posting her as their pick for the perfect Meera Reed. Short answer on who she is;

She is 21, 5’3″ and a very pretty and capable actress. There is a bunch of stuff on YouTube with her when she played the role of Princess Mary on “The Tudors”. She is a very charismatic cutie. Think of Natalie Dormer, but instead of pulsing sex appeal, Sarah has pulsing cuteness. Which is perfect for Meera. If her chemistry with the actor who plays Bran is there, the scenes should make you smile. =]

Macha: Oh you know, the usual, praising R’hllor and rating Stannis’ abilities in bed.

“Did he make those weird grunts and finish after three thrusts with you too?”
“Oh my R’hllor yes, and he has this strange fixation with tables…”

Arthur: If her chemistry with the actor who plays Bran is there, the scenes should make you smile. =]

Well, I am willing to put aside my dislike for the Bran/Reed storyline when I watch the show, maybe they can do something that will make me like it better! This is already going to be a difficult wait, there is still a long way to go!

Mrs. H’ghar,

It will be 4 TV movies according to BBC2 press release…. Richard II, Henry IV Part 1 and Part 2, and Henry V. Commissioned by BBC2 as part of their Shakespeare season in 2012.

I guess we get Ben Wishaw, Patrick Stewart, James Purefoy, and David Morrissey in Richard II!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/shakespeare-cast.html

darquemode:
Mrs. H’ghar,

It will be 4 TV movies according to BBC2 press release…. Richard II, Henry IV Part 1 and Part 2, and Henry V. Commissioned by BBC2 as part of their Shakespeare season in 2012.

I guess we get Ben Wishaw, Patrick Stewart, James Purefoy, and David Morrissey in Richard II!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/shakespeare-cast.html

A woman hopes they will show on PBS in the USA, though they usually show here later than in the UK I think. Sounds classic and wonderful! We do love Shakespeare over here!

So cool that WiC has been a source since the beginning, though a woman only found the site before Season 2 so is behind on WiC history! Can’t wait for more casting news….details please!!!

Superdeluxe:
Was I going to far in sending a note to Sarah’s agent 2 months ago? after I found out her pilot, GIlded Lillys was not picked up by ABC?

Too far? Not at all. If I recall correctly, a commenter here (Paul Gude) sent a note to Gwendolen Christie’s agent about the role of Brienne, which basically led to her being cast!

Bonnie Blue,

Well, I am willing to put aside my dislike for the Bran/Reed storyline when I watch the show, maybe they can do something that will make me like it better! This is already going to be a difficult wait, there is still a long way to go!

Yeah you are not alone. Many people on here found the Reeds and Bran’s interactions boring. I think I really enjoyed them because;

1). I loved how Bran could Warg into Summer. I really love those Direwolves!
2). I have great empathy for Bran losing his legs, I had reconstructive spine surgeory and there was a huge chance of me never walking again. So him being a cripple hit me hard.
3). Besides Bran being able to Warg, his life after being crippled, just seemed so depressing. Until Meera and her brother appeared in his life. I felt so happy for him to have friends. Not only friends, ones that would give their lives for him. That pledge they made to him was incredible.

From their pledge on, I really loved the Reeds. And deep down inside, even though Bran is a cripple and much younger then Meera, I hope he can find love with her.

Alan,

If they age alot of the characters up why can’t they age some down. All I know is that when I saw the trailer for the first time and she got out of the pool I thought to myself, this is what Tyrion must’ve experienced with Lemore.

ok just read the Bran-could-lie-with-Meera-as-Hodor-discussion and think that’s sick, maybe even a tad too sick for GRRM.

(Like, I thought Ned said something more akin to “he’ll never hold his son in his arms” or something. But I could be remembering incorrectly or misinterpreting.)

Aegon the Conqueror,

Never say something is “tad too sick for GRRM” or he might accept your challange. :D

Arthur:
Bonnie Blue,

Yeah you are not alone.Many people on here found the Reeds and Bran’s interactions boring.I think I really enjoyed them because;

1).I loved how Bran could Warg into Summer.I really love those Direwolves!
2).I have great empathy for Bran losing his legs, I had reconstructive spine surgeory and there was a huge chance of me never walking again.So him being a cripple hit me hard.
3).Besides Bran being able to Warg, his life after being crippled, just seemed so depressing.Until Meera and her brother appeared in his life.I felt so happy for him to have friends.Not only friends, ones that would give their lives for him.That pledge they made to him was incredible.

From their pledge on, I really loved the Reeds.And deep down inside, even though Bran is a cripple and much younger then Meera, I hope he can find love with her.

And here we go again….if u expect happy endings u are reading the wrong book

Alan: “I am sometimes surprised by the reactions of women, in particular, to some of the villains. There are a number of women over the years who have written me that their favorite characters are Jaime Lannister or Sandor Clegane, The Hound or Theon Greyjoy. All of these are deeply troubled individuals with some very dark sides who have done some very dark things…”

This had me in stitches because at first I wasn’t paying enough attention and thought he was talking about the women when saying they are deeply troubled individuals. ROFL. Guilty here, George! Not my fault you wrote Jaime and Theon so well. Ok, minus the romantic fascination part, they’re not my type. Stannis is my type…….. We’re both dog lovers, that’s what I meant! Sheesh…

Screencrush’s source is this thread and Spoiler Tv’s spec. So I would not take that as confirmation of anything regarding Myranda.

Mrs. H’ghar,
I made a post for the 4-part BBC series The Hollow Crown here:
http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/06/hollow-crown-bbc-4-part-movie-series.html

Richard II airs tomorrow , June 30 on BBC2
Henry IV part 1 airs Saturday, July 07 on BBC2
Henry IV part 2 didn’t have an air date, but maybe July 14?
Henry V didn’t have an air date, but maybe July 21?

It will air on PBS in the future I read!
Date TBA.

Looking at more pics of Charlotte Hope I do think she may be Meera.

Not sure why have the name change though. Of course Myranda could be shortened to Myra making it close to the original name.

I really don’t think she will be Myranda Royce/Mya Stone though. She’s either a renamed Meera or a new/namechanged Tyrell Cousin.

Arthur,

Sounds like she will be a hybrid character between Mya Stone (bastard daughter that guides between the Moon Gate and Aeyrie) and Myranda Royce, daughter of lord that guards the Moon Gate. She is feisty and smart. — another strong female character by Ser Martin. The actress is really beautiful though. Does anyone know how old she is? She looks very young.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/06/27/cillian-murphy-on-red-lights-acting-and-fifty-shades-of-grey-video/?mod=e2tw

Cillian Murphy gets asked about fan speculation that he would make a good Ramsay Bolton.

you-know-nothing: Also, the character Myranda will not be a renamed Meera as on the HBO official announcement of new characters Meera was called Meera, not Myranda!

Yara was called Asha on the Official HBO guide until Season 2 aired.

Talisa was called Jeyne in the initial casting announcement and on officially released photo’s even after being named as Talisa in the show.

Sometimes these things change late on.

Ross,

What did he say ? My stupid worthless computer wouldn’t run the video .

He said, half jokingly, that he wasnt sure if it was a compliment or not.
She just mentioned how some people thought he would be perfect for the role and how GRRM described it. Didn’t mention that a lot of people have said he’s too pretty!!!

Claudiu Gherganu,

I wouldn’t worry about it too much,whoever came up with that theory obviously didnt think it through.

christmas is coming,

LMAO! That’s the best I’ve heard all day!

In other news, let us remember that the man himself GRRM said that he thinks people get too attached to some of the minor characters, which I agree with 100%.

Who are the reeds really? Jojen gets sick and meera walks around with a spear..are they that important? Osha can easily replace the reeds.

What works in the books may not always translate to screen!

Aegon the Conqueror:
Alan,

If they age alot of the characters up why can’t they age some down. All I know is that when I saw the trailer for the first time and she got out of the pool I thought to myself, this is what Tyrion must’ve experienced with Lemore.

Because there’s a very good chance that the fact that Septa Lemore’s age is vital to her role in the plot.

If she’s just eye candy, sure. But there’s a lot of hints that her history is important. And if it’s important that she was at least a young adult in the time of Robert’s Rebellion, then a twenty year old “actress” won’t make sense. (which is the other issue. Uptown is gorgeous but there’s no evidence she can act, pull off a British accent, etc).

Alan,

I’m not seriously suggesting her as a candidate, merely that I thought it took me back to the books. The whole sexy nun thing caught me pleasantly by surprise in the same way that I’m sure Tyrion was. CHarlize Theron would be a much more welcome and serious candidate.

Pepi,

Call me crazy but I’ve never really seen BLoodraven as evil. I wouldn’t be too worried about Bran. Remember his Warg training has been rather unconventional. Had he been trained North of the Wall he would’ve known that it’s an abomination to inhabit another human being. But no one has ever told him that, and seeing as Hodor is a half-wit I don’t think its so bad, it saved their lives on a couple of occasions. Sure its not Ned-like, but isn’t that the reason Ned died?

Aegon the Conqueror,

Hm … as far as evil Bloodraven theory is concerned, I’m not entirely sure what to make of it, either. I just mentioned it as a popular theory. But Bran on the other hand … he knows and mentions, that Hodor is terrified, when being warged. And yet that doesn’t stop Bran from doing it. Lol … I’m pretty sure I shouldn’t just spoilertag everything … but it’s fastest this way. And safest. :D

Pepi,

Yeah I get that, but remember at that age it’s not weird for boys to love scaring the crap out of people.

I’m sorry for flipping the fuck out everyone. Guess I’m just worried about my Reed siblings! :D

It would make the most sense if Charlotte Hope has been cast as Roslin Frey.

“Meera” is not problematic in the way that Asha/Osha was.

The show DOES already have a Ros, however.

vargo hoat?!

Blink:
Could obviously be nothing, but according to someone on Reddit who did not have any photographic evidence, Mackenzie Crook was spotted out playing pool with some of the cast (sam, loras, gendry, edd, pip), as well as with Emilia Clarke… there’s a few mentions of it on twitter.I’d love to see him on the show, but not sure who he would play.

Blink:
Could obviously be nothing, but according to someone on Reddit who did not have any photographic evidence, Mackenzie Crook was spotted out playing pool with some of the cast (sam, loras, gendry, edd, pip), as well as with Emilia Clarke… there’s a few mentions of it on twitter.I’d love to see him on the show, but not sure who he would play.

Blink:
Could obviously be nothing, but according to someone on Reddit who did not have any photographic evidence, Mackenzie Crook was spotted out playing pool with some of the cast (sam, loras, gendry, edd, pip), as well as with Emilia Clarke… there’s a few mentions of it on twitter.I’d love to see him on the show, but not sure who he would play.

Blink,

I saw this and did a little hunting….
According to this article Mackenzie Crook was in Edinburgh today for some kid’s reading event..
http://www.edinburghguide.com/news/edinburghbookfestival/10733-bookfestivalgettingkidsinterestedinreading

That does not debunk it exactly…. but…..

If there is any merrit to it I really like him for Tom O’Sevens!
Assuming Tom Sevenstreams gets cast of course….
I mean look at this…Tom is small and has a big mouth, pointy nose and thin brown hair.
http://www.goseetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Mackenzie-Crook-as-Marks.jpg
http://data.celticmediagroup.com/img/2011/03/02/1299064516985.jpg

Vargo Hoat too of course if they choose to ignore that Vargo is supposed to be tall (Crook is 5-8)

Winter Is Coming,

Ha Indeed!
Either way it was never solid evidence against him being in Belfast fo drinks 2 days ago.

I know a lot of people thought of him for Ramsay…. I wonder if he is too old for Ramsay if McElhatton is supposed to be his father?
A bit young for Tom O’ Sevens…. Hoat maybe though… Of course age is relative when it comes to casting!

Someone on Twitter also mentioned that Emilia Clarke and Mackenzie Crook had been eating at the restaurant he works at in Belfast.

Another person said she saw all three of them at Heathrow airport 2 days ago.

This adds up as many cast members were over in Belfast to read their scripts and then flew off.

Seems like we got ourself a new cast member.

How exciting. Would love Mackenzie Crook in any role. Plus add another Ironclad to the cast. Maybe there is still hope to get James Purefoy too. :)

Guys so is it confirmed? Tara Fitzgerald is gonna play Selys?
and Charlotte Hope is gonna play Myranda ? and sorry for the spelling.
please answer , it’s urgent!

So I’m guessing HBO is going to announce all the new castings at once?

And Crook is totally Vargo Hoat.

Please do someone refresh my memory.

We were somehow “sure” that the casting call for Ramsay Bolton went out.
As I recall they were searching for a young man with awkward look, or something similar.
Did someone really got confirmation it was for Ramsay, or (just dropping an idea) we just thought it had to be Ramsay because at that stage everybody believed Vargo is cut out?

Sarah Bolger has been unusually quiet on Twitter for the past 8-10 days, which is a long stretch for her. I wonder if she might be on social media lock down.

darquemode,

woah! great job!

The Rabbit,

I cannot take credit….
http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/05/game-of-thrones-season-3-casting-roles.html

Someone posted the link on my casting thread, someone whose account name is Sansa Stark no less! XD

I posted a number of genre related photos of him in my post here:
http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/06/game-of-thrones-season-3-clive-russel.html

I’m thinking Tara Fitzgerald would make a great Queen of Thorns. It would be easy enough to make her a combination of the mother and grandmother to simplify things. With Tara’s amazing facial bone structure, she could be any age. And it’s a fantastic part, too.

maybe she will be some sort of Reed character. what with the running and all … or some willdling. or some escpaed slave from a city in essos that dany takes into her service.

Mormont’s sister for Tara

Puzzinut, that’s exactly who I was thinking. She can be any age, and that voice can be sweet and both chilling. A bit of makeup and voila! One Queen of Thorns. The photo above doesn’t really give you that impression but I can totally see where you are coming from and I said the same further up the thread. :-)