Casting

Game of Thrones audition tape leaks, hinting at season five changes

Obara Sand
Obara Sand

Choosing the Spear by Alexandre Dainche

Season five casting is well under way, and it was only a matter of time before audition tapes began turning up.  It’s a tradition at this point, going all the way back to the first season, with a certain actor we’re all very familiar with now.

The first audition to surface online this year is that of Lost actress Tania Raymonde, reading for the role of Obara Sand. (The video has since been taken offline.)  Obara is the eldest of Oberyn Martell’s daughters, known collectively as the Sand Snakes. According to the leaked casting call, the athletic Obara will be having a fight scene with a significant character.

The audition reading appears to be a scene between Obara and her sister Tyene. We’ve tucked details of the scene below the cut as they do contain major season five spoilers!

In the audition, Obara and Tyene broach the topic of avenging their father Oberyn, and Obara shares the story of how he collected her from her mother long ago, with Obara choosing the spear. It sounds like the seeds of the plot surrounding Princess Myrcella are being sown in the conversation, with the mention of them “having one of them.” Most interestingly though, Obara reveals that Jaime Lannister has been sighted sneaking into Dorne, leaving some to wonder if this is the notable character who will cross swords with Obara.

Edit: Hmm, the conversation might be between Obara, Tyene, and another party. It’s hard to tell, based on the wording, and with only one person reading the other scripted lines.

Ours is the Fury: I do love casting season! What does everyone think of Jaime going to Dorne?

297 Comments

  • Sounds cool and all, but Jaime in Dorne? Maybe he’ll be taking Balon Swann’s role in the book, delivering Gregor’s head? I can’t see him taking Ary’s role, as it ends in his death. I’m sure they could have Meryn Trant who’s a regular on the show instead of Balon Swann… Where are they going with this?

  • It is possible that the tape actually shows a conversation between Obara and Arianne. I think it makes most sense that Obara is watching Nym and Tyene practice fight, while chatting with Arianne on the side about the Lannisters.

  • Is that Jaime taking the role of Balon Swann? What about Riverrun and the negotiations with the Blackfish? If Brienne meets Lady Stoneheart in this season finale will she have to travel all the way to Dorne to reach Jaime?

  • Her accents were all over the place, can’t see how this audition tape went down well. Which is sorry to say, she looks like a bad-ass Obara with those dreads!

  • My best guess as to why Jaime would go to Dorne is if an increasingly desperate Cersei fears for Myrcella’s life post-Oberyn and begs Jaime to go rescue her.

    I couldn’t make out hardly any of what the other person offscreen was saying – can someone make a transcript? That would be so helpful.

    And I think Tania Raymonde would make a fantastic Obara!!

  • I know the casting call mentioned Obara fighting a series regular but I am having a hard time seeing why they would send Jaime to Dorne (presumably after Myrcella) rather than the Riverlands. I’m not really convinced this is how it’s actually going to go.

  • Rather than trying to think about logistics or why they are making such a significant change, I think it’s to the point where just enjoying the show should take precedence over book comparisons. The show will keep going in the same overarching direction but will take different twists and turns for the convenience of a different storytelling method. Can’t wait to see what Jaime is doing in Dorne.

    Personally, my guess is that it will be comparable to yarashas “quest” this season where it will seem significant but when the dust settles it will be a small meaningless piece of the season meant to do nothing but develop parts of characters for something more important down the road

  • She grew up! Barely recognized her from what she looked like on Lost. I think she would do great – but would they go with an American actress?

  • I guess he will go there, fail in whatever mission he has, and that this will contribute to the story of how his relationship with Cercei develops over the season.

  • Note that the Jaime deviation may not be what it seems. Matthew Weiner, the creator of “Man Men” has said that they often go so far as to change the names of characters in the scripts used when actors audition, as a way of limiting the knowledge of outsiders. I’m sure I’ve heard of this happening with casting for other shows too, so that could be what’s happened here.

  • Well she’s beautiful and looks like she is tough…

    She has that tough Latina swagger…

    I think she’s a good fit!

  • Michel,

    Michel:
    What was her character in LOST? I cant remember..

    She played Alex, Benjamin Linus’s adopted daughter that he stole from Danielle Rousseau, the french castaway. She was also in Malcolm in the Middle.

  • Honestly I’ve never been one to agree with book purists, but if they seriously completly cut Jaime’s chapters from FFC and DWD and instead, make him go to Dorne to fight the sandsnakes or whatever, the use of the word “fanfic” will be justified for the first time. I mean, the dude is about to meet LS in the books, in the Riverlands, like is this not important ? The stuff at Riverrun ? Unless he travels to Dorne early in the season to deliver the moutain’s skull (in place of another kingsguard I think ? Can’t remember who brought the head to Doran in the books) and then goes all the way back up north to deal with Riverrun.
    Why complicate things so much just to get a major character in Dorne, I don’t get it.

    Oh well, at least his TWOW stuff shouldn’t get spoiled next year, unlike Sansa’s.

  • Prince Doran will weep for your father, nothing else.

    spoilers for what I think is going on:
    I think maybe Obara was practicing fighting with Nymeria while Tyene was watching. Arianne arrives, and she leaves her practice fighting conceding defeat to Nymeria’s skills with whips and says as much to Tyene. Arianne says Doran will weep for HER (Obara’s) father, and nothing else.
    IF my deduction is right – that IS Arianne Martell. Unless they completely changed Arianne into Tyene, and Tyene is a Martell and is Doran’s daughter. However the CASTING CALL has called her Tyene Sand.
    So.
    That’s Arianne Martell talking to Obara. For sure. Why would Tyene say YOUR father and not OUR father?

  • Transcript of the scene created on the other thread thanks to wizardeyes

    OBARA – Admit defeat Tyene. Nym’s mother taught her the whip before the knife and fork. Will it be war?
    Woman Off Camera – Prince Doran will weep for your father but nothing else. We must avenge Oberyn ourselves.
    OBARA – Without Doran we have no army to march against the Lannisters.
    Woman Off Camera – We don’t need an army to start a war. Queen Cersei loathes everyone and we are one of them.
    OBARA – Now you may have a problem.
    Woman Off Camera – What’s that?
    OBARA – A ship’s captain came to me in plankytown claiming to have information to sell. I paid. He told me he smuggled Jaime Lannister into Dorne. Now he paid.
    Woman Off Camera – The Kingslayer did not go to Prince Doran?
    OBARA – No, they rode him ashore in secret.
    Woman Off Camera – Why? He did not know. You must chose Doran’s way and peace or my way and war.
    OBARA – When I was a child. Oberyn came to take me to court. I had never seen this man before yet he called himself my father. My mother wept and said you are too young and a girl. Oberyn tossed his spear at my feet and said girl or boy we fight our battles but the gods let us chose our weapons. My father pointed to the spear and to my mother’s tears. I made my choice long ago.

  • the other guy:
    Honestly I’ve never been one to agree with book purists, but if they seriously completly cut Jaime’s chapters from FFC and DWD and instead, make him go to Dorne to fight the sandsnakes or whatever, the use of the word “fanfic” will be justified for the first time. I mean, the dude is about to meet LS in the books, in the Riverlands, like is this not important ? The stuff at Riverrun ? Unless he travels to Dorne early in the season to deliver the moutain’s skull (in place of another kingsguard I think ? Can’t remember who brought the head to Doran in the books) and then goes all the way back up north to deal with Riverrun.
    Why complicate things so much just to get a major character in Dorne, I don’t get it.

    Oh well, at least his TWOW stuff shouldn’t get spoiled next year, unlike Sansa’s.

    It could just be a round trip to Dorne to drop off Oberyn’s bones (and have a quick fight with Obara). His Riverrun/LS arc would only take 3-5 episodes, depending on how they do it.

  • Troublesome Birdsong:
    Note that the Jaime deviation may not be what it seems. Matthew Weiner, the creator of “Man Men” has said that they often go so far as to change the names of characters in the scripts used when actors audition, as a way of limiting the knowledge of outsiders. I’m sure I’ve heard of this happening with casting for other shows too, so that could be what’s happened here.

    That’s Because Matt Weiner has secrecy OCD. Transcripts from past leaked auditions played out exactly the same way on screen (examples: Styr and Locke)

  • I had considered her for Nymeria since she looks exactly like I pictured the character, but with the aged down roles I can see her as Obarra….

    The accent was all over the place, but with some directing and maybe an accent coach I’m sure she would be fine.

    Jaime in Dorne sounds a bit odd to me though..
    I expected him to turn up in the Riverlands as our gateway into the return of The Blackfish and the rest! Maybe Brienne and Pod could go there in his place, but it changes things so, so much.

  • Nothing stopping a man from borrowing the plot mobile to commute between the point-A and point-B as required.

    Both Lord Balish and Melisandre have used the transport before.

  • Hmmm…hadn’t thought of her. Was thinking Latina, but she has the look. A little coaching on the accent and good backstory and she’d work.

    Not taking the scene at face value either. I doubt that they use completely real scenes for auditions. Too risky.

  • Darquemode:

    The accent was all over the place, but with some directing and maybe an accent coach I’m sure she would be fine.

    Yeah, it has to be a tough role to audition for. Not only do you have to do it in an accent you’re unfamiliar with, you also have to say “Plankytown” with a straight face.

  • Tania Raymonde as Obara? Having hard time to picture that, I would be OK with her being Tyene or Nymeria though.

  • Ashara D:
    Hmmm…hadn’t thought of her. Was thinking Latina, but she has the look. A little coaching on the accent and good backstory and she’d work.

    Not taking the scene at face value either. I doubt that they use completely real scenes for auditions. Too risky.

    Accept past evidence has proved that they use real scenes for leaked auditions (Styr and Locke).

    I now I’m beating a dead horse but we are very likely to see this scene play out

  • Jaime’s stuff in Dorne and the Dorne plot overall could very well pull some stuff from Winds of Winter in order to avoid the plot slowing down too much.

    Since D&D knows what happens, they can write their own (more entertaining) way of getting there.

    And Riverrun, as far as we’ve been told in the show, belongs to Lord Frey. There’s no mention of Tully’s still occupying it. Seems like a waste to dedicate time to the Tully’s.. since they are already defeated and likely won’t play a part in the future of the story.

    Dorne will the the new major player going forward and getting to their Feast-endgame stuff and the early Winds of Winter stuff faster = better IMO.

  • About audition leak – if this is how DD casting ugliest Sand Snake, we will get a lot of eye candy next season. She does not look as i imagined Obara at all, but atleast she look age appropriate unlike many of fans suggestions of actresses barely younger then Pedro Pascal. I would not mind her for Nymeria though, you know more chance for nudity there..

    About plot change. I do not think it need to be drastic change. I expect Jamie will spend there only few episodes. It also not necessary mean he will have fighting scene with Obara, it still could be Bronn, if he follow him (aparently Jerome Flynn and Lena Headey can not stand each other so it make sense he will keep following Jaime instead of staying in KL and have scenes with her).

  • Delta1212,

    After Lena’s twitter spoiler, I seriouly doubt she’ll get cut. Especially after the Oberyn spoiler she also tweeted.

  • I think the main consideration here may be timing.

    If Jaime goes directly to the Riverlands next season, they may have a hard time keeping him from encountering LS before the end of the season (or at least by the beginning of S6). Since there’s a lot of indications that meeting may result in his death & resurrection as the third head of the dragon, they may want to hold off on that reckoning until it syncs up well with Dany and Jon. Martin was clearly struggling with that problem himself.

    Since the showrunners love NCW and want to keep him near the forefront of the narrative, this may be about keeping him onscreen until that time comes.

  • This audition is pretty messy, especially her accent. I would hope they continue hiring Latinos for Dorne. We come in all shapes and colors, you know, which is perfect for the diversity of that area and the sand snakes.

  • trish,

    I think you are almost right. I think Arianne and Obara are watching Tyene and Nymeria spar while talking.

  • she could work on her accent a little, but i’m sure she can improve it. i’m sure this is just a random script the producers gave out to people auditioning so that these leaks wouldn’t reveal any of the actual plot. but it has served to concern and confuse us book readers…

  • trish,

    That’s actually an interesting idea. If she is indeed saying “your” instead of “our” (hard to tell with the accent), it means that either Tyene isn’t a Sand Snake and is taking on Arianne qualities (then why rename, though? It’s not like “Arianne” is hard or, IMO, close to any other names or anything) or Obara is talking to two different people in this scene, one of whom is Tyene (the direct address in the beginning) and the other of whom is Arianne, and the person offscreen just didn’t bother differentiating (since what matters for the audition is Tania’s performance and not the other people in the scene, after all, and the casting guys would know the difference since they’d have the scripts themselves). Do they usually use scenes with more than one other person in them to read off of, though? I always sort of figured audition scenes were mostly two-handers.

    Or maybe the other person just flubbed the line and it’s a moot point.

  • Another possibility is that the Jaime thing is a total farce to distract the Dornish from where he really is. Not sure why they’d need to do that, but it wouldn’t be beyond Varys or someone else to plant a lie here or there. Not to mention it’s simply the word of a ship captain.

  • GaiusB,

    If Lena and Jerome let their personal shit affect shooting together, they’re not being professionals, which I’d like to think they are.

  • Kit,

    That first line makes a lot more sense if Tyene and Nymeria are fighting each other with neither being the actual participant in the conversation.

  • I quite liked Tania Raymonde as Alex Rosseau on Lost, so I’d be happy to see her join the cast as Obara Sand. Granted, she might have an uphill battle to be cast considering how few Americans have gotten major roles on the series – Peter Dinklage, Jason Momoa, and Pedro Pascal (who’s Chilean-American) are the only major ones that I can think of so far. But if, as the Winter Is Coming team reported with the Season 5 casting sheet, they’re continuing to look for Hispanic actors to portray the Dornish (or at least non-white, non-British actors), then that opens up several exciting new possibilities for casting directors to consider.

    When Winter Is Coming reported that Obara would be fighting a series regular this season, I have to say that Jaime Lannister was the first name that sprang into my mind. This scene suggests that Jaime smuggled himself into Dorne, which is very interesting indeed. The most obvious explanation that I can think of is that Cersei has asked Jaime to travel to Dorne in order to retrieve their daughter Myrcella. This development could certainly tie into the plot to crown Myrcella in an interesting way. The Sand Snakes could easily replace Arianne’s co-conspirators in that plot (especially Darkstar, who in my opinion is insanely overrated as a character), especially since the Sand Snakes have little to do otherwise. Really, they rant to Doran about avenging Oberyn and then he has them locked up. That’s it. This is a much more interesting way to incorporate them into the story.

    More information is needed, but I’m intrigued, especially because I’m afraid that I missed half the conversation in this scene (I could barely understand anything that the woman off-screen was saying).

    Obviously, this raises questions about Jaime’s role in Season 5. Would his trip down to Dorne replace his Riverlands campaign, or would it be something for him to deal with for the first half of the season and he’ll head to Riverrun later? How will this affect Brienne’s attempt to find him and bring before to Lady Stoneheart, or will that subplot be significantly altered. I’m very curious to find out.

    Now, there’s a possibility that this scene is for audition purposes only, and that Jaime won’t be heading to Dorne … but I doubt it. Last year’s leaked audition tape featured Yorick van Wageningen reading for the role of Styr, and the scene he performed ended up being almost identical to Styr’s actual introduction in the series, give or take a few lines.

  • This +1,000,000,000,000,000,000

    Canis Dirus:
    Rather than trying to think about logistics or why they are making such a significant change, I think it’s to the point where just enjoying the show should take precedence over book comparisons.

  • THIS IS HUGE news! That is a major change and makes me wonder if they will change Arya’s story considerably now too. When I saw her at the Vale Sunday I thought oh they will just reroute them send them away some how they wont have her stay at the Vale or change her story that drastically. But now, I am not so sure what to expect with the show when it comes to story lines. I think they are really making it a new thing! HOLY SHIT

  • Delta1212,
    yeah you’re right. it’s Obara who’s watching them fight, and her whole light hearted emotions change when she sees Arianne approach.

  • Delta1212,

    You’re right. Especially with the weird shift between “Nym’s mother taught her the whip before the knife and fork” and “Will it be war”? Sounds sort of like talking to one person, further away, being like “hey, man, give it up” and then shifting the conversation to another who’s standing next to you.

  • I will say i doesn’t mean something, because it was just an audition tape. I don’t think they would sent a part of a actuel script to actors. I think they just wrote a audition script as the normal do. If Jaime is going to Dorne, it means the possibility of they cut LS. Why would the Lannisters risk a so importent person.

  • I’m so excited to visit Dorne next season. One major thing at the show really has over the books is having all of these wonderful actors breathe whole new life into the characters from the books.

    I’m actually more of a fan of the last two books than most people, but even I’ll admit after a while you start to get character fatigue. There’s just so many new names that pop into the story, that they begin to have trouble differentiating themselves.

    But the actors they brought in so far have made each one of these fantastic characters so unique. I’m really looking forward to seeing who ends up being brought in for these future seasons.

  • Kit,

    I think Delta touched on this but, watch the audition reel. The actress is watching Nym and Tyene spar and is almost lighthearted around them, teasing Tyene at her lack of skills against Nym. Her whole demeanor changes when Arianne arrives. I don’t think that was a flub. She definitely said “your father”. I am 99.9% sure that’s Arianne.

  • To me this scene pretty much confirms what I suspected when we first learned we were getting at least 3 Sand Snakes. They’ll most likely be taking the place of Arriane’s co-conspirators. Makes a lot of sense and probably shouldn’t have long term ramifications.

  • I’m worried about Lady Stoneheart being cut but Jamie in Dorne is something I can totally get behind, much better than Jamie in the Riverlands.

  • I think it’s a good idea to have Jamie in Dorne. One of the more jarring aspects of the Dornish plot in AFFC is the lack of existing characters to bridge into this new plot. If Jamie delivers Gregor’s head and comes for Myrcella, I think it would be a net gain for the story. Jamie’s already training, they can find time for him to do both this and Riverrun near the end of the season.

  • While Tania Raymonde is a dark-complexioned actress (of Jewish ethnicity, mixed French/Russian), I do not feel she is as dark-skinned as Obara is supposed to be in the books…particularly if TV-Obara is, apparently, a combination of book-Obara and TV-Obara.

  • trish,

    Yeah, rereading/watching again, I think Delta is right. If so, that is insanely good news, IMO. I love Arianne and despair slightly of her being cut/her role being chopped up and given to a bunch of other people, plot-wise.

    As a related aside, I went back to the first mention of the Martells in 2×03, and Tyrion says, “Princess Myrcella will wed their youngest son when she comes of age.” Assuming Trystane is meant as this character still and they didn’t decide later to just retcon that, that leaves the question as to whom the elder sibling/heir is in showverse. Hopefully the answer is still Arianne.

  • trish,

    Really, the only alternative is that they’ve handed Arianne’s part off to Trystane and that’s who is talking, but I still count that as being a very unlikely change.

  • Jaybles:
    Still nothing about who (if any) Greyjoys will be added.

    Nope, but I have seen Mads Mikkelsen’s audition tape for Euron Greyjoy. I didn’t think he was really right for the role though.

  • Delta1212,

    why on earth would they replace an important fan fav female character with a male character who hasn’t even said a word in the books?

  • GaiusB,

    Yeah, I had someone A LOT thicker and more butch-looking in mind for Obara as well. As for the unnamed third person in that scene: well, it could definitely be Arianne, but it could also conceivably be Ellaria (notice she/he said “Doran” rather than “my father”) or even Trystane.

  • Nicolai,

    WIC has already confirmed that Obara will fight a series regular(looks like it will be Jaime) and past leaked audition tapes have played out exactly the way they were written on screen. Jaime is going to Dorne but that doesn’t mean Lady Stoneheart will be cut

  • Delta1212,

    oh god.. I would be livid if that happened. As Kit pointed out, in 2X03, they referred to Trystane being the youngest Doran Martell progeny. If anything I think Trystane will replace Quentyn.

  • Ser Davos Seaworth,

    Hopefully, they wouldn’t. I’ve seen it suggested based on the casting call, though, and it’s technically possible that that’s who is talking there.

    Again, though, I find that extremely unlikely for those very reasons.

  • i am less worried about next season than most. dorne will be incredible, so much richness there to mine that even grrm didn’t really get to.

    judging by how well they have nailed the landscapes, dorne will be stunning. much brighter earthy, exotic colors than the rest of westeros that we have seen, so less dark shades in the filming, and since they are not at war, we won’t have to see burning buildings and dead bodies in every other scene. and finally, water gardens baby, FUKCING WATER GARDENS! i am more excited about the water gardens than even the casting rumors.

    dornish culture being so different from everything else we have seen will be a breath of fresh air as well. such different characters, not this nordic, severe, bearded man look. i think unsullied and book-reading viewers who are a bit beaten down from the constant death and doom/gloom of the series will really take to dorne, i believe the dorne story-line will quickly become fan favorite if for no other reason than it will be so different.

    and finally:

    WATER FUCKING GARDENS BABY!!!

  • This feels like it could be a smart change.

    If they are going all in on Dorne it might help a lot to introduce it through the eyes of familiar characters. Also this season will end with crazy unresolved tension/conflict between House Lannister and House Martell due to the trial by combat. It is a smart move to not let those feelings fade at all. Jaime going there on a covert mission to rescue Myrcella could also add some extra oomph to the Queenmaker plot. Also I’ve always thought Jaime’s storyline had less punch once he left King’s Landing for the Riverlands — at least until Brienne came back into the picture.

    I could get behind this idea as a damn good adaptation choice. All in the execution of course…

  • Maybe Jaime tells his family he is going to check on Myrcella, sends off someone else to actually do that, and instead goes off to try and keep his promise to Cat?

    This conversation could be overheard by spies and the misinformation sent to Dorne.

  • Hodorkovsky: Nope, but I have seen Mads Mikkelsen’s audition tape for Euron Greyjoy. I didn’t think he was really right for the role though.

    What you did there… I see it.

  • Slight correction to the above posted transcript:

    The line is Cersei loves her children, and we have one of them. Not Cersei loathes everyone and we are one of them.

  • Sunfyre,

    Yes, he got one whole sentence of punch.

    In fairness, though, I actually really liked the scene where he read Cersei’s letter, as well.

  • why is everyone so panicked that arianne will be cut? does it make any sense that one of the first excerpted chapters of the new book would be a pov of a character who is going to get cut? am i the only one who notices this? i feel like i’m taking crazy pills.

  • Okay so this is what I think that whole dialogue was about. I don;t think Its about Jamie going to Dorne at taking the place of Balon Swann. The Sand Snakes are pissed about the death of their father to say the least, they want war as we know from the books. They will use any rumors they hear to add fire to the flame. Most likely just some piece of dialogue the writers added in order to show how badly the Sand Snakes want war. More than likely just a false rumor that Obara will take to heart.

  • anabbloggin,

    I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA – i have a feeling that the sand snakes will replace arianne’s team of rebels, and possibly have Obara replace the Darkstar… when areo surprises them in the boat arys fights him, semi-epic duel followed by arys’ death. arianne, nym, tyene and obara wait to see the outcome before deciding whether to run or fight. more dornish troops appear, arianne prepares to run before obara slices off myrcella’s ear, in her attempt to start the war. doran later blames the incident on the elusive ‘darkstar’ who never appears on the show. then meryn trant (who’s replacing balon swann) goes with obara to hunt for darkstar but obara kills him (just like how i assume obara will kill swann in tWoW).

  • Turncloak,

    I generally try to avoid these posts to avoid liking someone that doesn’t get cast, so this is my first audition tape. But Dorne is so important to me I just had to peek. IMO, D&D haven’t done anything heinous yet so perhaps they know something about Jaime’s storyline that we don’t. Seems odd to let that stuff get out, but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in any case. Unless maybe that is something that will happen in WoW which should be out by next season. ;)

    Delta1212,

    Yes, that’s what I heard. And as long as we’re correcting, “rode” s/b “rowed.”

  • Does anyone know how accurate these audition scenes are? Like, are they actual snippets from a script? Or do they just make up a scene for the audition so actual plot details don’t leak when audition tapes surface? Cos, if Jaime’s not going to Riverun, I don’t understand why they bothered casting the Blackfish and saving him for the slaughter at the Twins. He didn’t do anything in s3 that could only have been done by the Blackfish. So why cast him if they’re cutting the siege of Riverun?

  • Mirri Maz,

    No kidding. If we can skip Jamie’s endless convo with his aunt outside Riverrun and the whole Bracken/Blackwood mess in favor of a Jamie/Obara duel I will be quite happy to watch “fanfiction.”

    But I would be sad to completely loose LS.

  • Ashara D,

    It’s very likely that Jaime is just replacing Balon Swann. I just hope he’s uses LF’s jet pack to make it back to Riverun as well

  • People who think that Brienne will meet with LS this season are out of there mind. In episode 7 Brienne clearly choose to keep to the plan to go to the Eyrie instead of going to the riverlands, she won’t meet the Brotherhood this season. And there is a promotion foto of season 4 where Brienne and Pod are meeting with the people from the blooddoor. Her season will end this season there, probably finding the body of Sandor Clegane (I think that he gets killed by the guards at the bloodgate. That means that we can asume that Brienne will meet with LS at the end of next season. Her story probably contains meeting with High Sparrow, the whole Randyll Tarly story (which is possible that LF will take over that role next season). That means that for Jaime he can go to Dorne in the first part of the season, around the mid of the season he will be back at Kings Landing, and will go the the riverlands. And if Brienne/ LS is in episode 8/9. We can assume that Brienne/ Jaime will be in episode 10. Or even the beginning of season 6.

  • Blind Beth,

    they should drop the aunt, darry, bracken and blackwood. Instead have Jaime go straight to Riverrun, where Walder Frey is leading the assault, then have the blackfish scene and the fake Edmure hanging and the blackfish escape (I’m 100% sure he joins the BwB). Then in the aftermath of the completed siege Brienne arrives.

  • I know somebody who read for Tyene, and her scene was with Obara, Nym (I think) and BRONN. It was in the place where the older Snakes are imprisoned, so Bronn also makes it to Dorne.

  • Chaser,

    I remember when I finished the books and wandered into the online forums for the first time. I had absolutely no idea who the hell this Darkstar character that apparently ran around saying he was of the night was.

  • Ol’ Three Eyes,

    If this is true than maybe Bronn fights Obara. Not sure if I completely buy it though. Why cast Lollys this season if they don’t plan on keeping Bronn’s KL storyline?

  • Delta1212,

    Darkstar is basically the laughing stock of the ASOIAF community. GRRM unintentionally made him into a joke lol. “I am of the night” *facepalm*

  • Oh man, I would love to see Tania Raymonde on GOT!!

    ALSO, don’t they often give fake sides for auditions to prevent spoilers in case they get leaked like this? Just a thought…

  • Turncloak,

    If I recall the scene correctly, Bronn has fought Tyene. Bronn has been injured and poisoned, and Tyene is taunting him with the antidote and generally taking her clothes off.

  • Hmmmmmmm this is interesting.

    I wonder if Jaime in Dorne will entirely replace Jaime in the Riverlands (with Brienne coming to Dorne to find him) or if he’ll be in Dorne for part of the season and they’ll still fit in the Riverlands. I guess the Jaime in the Riverlands chapters aren’t really the most important chapters but I’ll miss Jaime being a leader and putting the Freys in their place if they are cut.

    But Jaime in Dorne… here’s my guess as to what he could be doing. He takes Balon Swann’s role and takes the Mountain’s skull to Dorne but he has the covert mission of taking Myrcella back to King’s Landing. He gets ready to this but then Myrcella disappears when she’s taken by Arianne in the Queenmaker plot. (The sand snakes will replace Arianne’s friends in this plot). Perhaps Jaime then joins the band of people, including Areo Hotah to intercept Arianne’s plot which is when he crosses swords with Obara. Perhaps he refuses to fight Ser Arys as he is a sworn brother which is why Areo cuts him down. Jaime could be conflicted about that.

  • Ol’ Three Eyes:
    Turncloak,

    If I recall the scene correctly, Bronn has fought Tyene. Bronn has been injured and poisoned, and Tyene is taunting him with the antidote and generally taking her clothes off.

    If true than that is an epic way to go! I wouldn’t mind being off’d like that X-)

  • I can see it being another Yara “rescues” Theon type scene. Jaime teleports to Dorne, somehow has a fight (despite his general inability to fight anyone at this point in the books), nothing significant becomes of it, and he teleports back to the Riverlands and the story continues on as if the scene never happened.

  • wizardeyes,

    I like all your ideas a lot. Having 2 recognizable, fan favorite characters (If Bronn goes as well as some have suggested) present would raise the stakes considerably on an already intense scene. Plus we would still hopefully get Areo’s mortal kombat finisher. Here’s hoping you’re on to something.

  • Blind Beth,

    I think Jaimes convo with his aunt is amazing, that’s the one that ends with her saying that Tywin was wrong thinking that Jaime should be his heir, that Tyrion was Tywin.

  • Turncloak,

    Haha I’m sure Joff would have complained far less with a Dornish beauty derobing in front of him. As far as our sellsword friend goes, he gets his antidote after Tyene makes him say that she’s the most beautiful woman in the world. I think he’d been dissing Dornish women or something, which personally I know better than to do.

  • IMO sending Jaime to the Riverlands is a wise choice for both his and the Dornish storylines. It serves as an integration of Dorne into the overall story. As for Jaime, he can and probably will still end up at Riverrun. He’s sent of rather quickly (say episode 3) and the Riverrun story can take place in one or two episodes (say episode 8/9 and 10). Then what would he do in the meantime? Visiting Harrenhal makes no sense as Hoat/Locke is already dead and Darry is a place bound to be cut. So that would mean 5 episodes without Jaime OR sending him to Dorne and back. Can be done, surely.

    Also, that’s definitely Arianne. Surely they won’t be cutting her. They cast Lollys Stokeworth for f*cks sake.

  • I wasn’t going to post this anywhere anymore for fear of unprofessionalism but doesn’t look like I’m ever going to get an audition for the show so I don’t see what harm it can do.

    So for those that missed it when I did it last year, here is the audition video I made (completely speculatively, out of my own pocket, I should add) :

    http://youtu.be/-2GaRKbosQw

    For the record, I’ve done a decent amount of work here in the UK – but GoT is the dream! Oh well, hopefully this won’t do any harm by being out there. I just wanted to be proactive rather than sit on my butt and wait to get called for an audition.

  • This is great, but I beg that they don’t cut Arianne. She’s such a powerful character. AND She’ll give them a great opportunity for full frontal sexposition! How could they resist!? Seriously though, I find her and her knight’s relationship white lovely. I’d be sad if it were all cut or altered to be the sandsnakes’.

    Also, it really is asking a lot, but surely they need the Greyjoy brothers?

  • wizardeyes:
    Hmmmmmmm this is interesting.

    I wonder if Jaime in Dorne will entirely replace Jaime in the Riverlands (with Brienne coming to Dorne to find him) or if he’ll be in Dorne for part of the season and they’ll still fit in the Riverlands. I guess the Jaime in the Riverlands chapters aren’t really the most important chapters but I’ll miss Jaime being a leader and putting the Freys in their place if they are cut.

    But Jaime in Dorne… here’s my guess as to what he could be doing. He takes Balon Swann’s role and takes the Mountain’s skull to Dorne but he has the covert mission of taking Myrcella back to King’s Landing. He gets ready to this but then Myrcella disappears when she’s taken by Arianne in the Queenmaker plot. (The sand snakes will replace Arianne’s friends in this plot). Perhaps Jaime then joins the band of people, including Areo Hotah to intercept Arianne’s plot which is when he crosses swords with Obara. Perhaps he refuses to fight Ser Arys as he is a sworn brother which is why Areo cuts him down. Jaime could be conflicted about that.

    That would be amazing.

    Also, remember how we were all freaking out? So many people saying just cut all of Dorne and the Iron islands? After seeing how the unsullied reacted to Oberyn’s death, I think they’re going to love the Dornish.

  • Jaime in Dorn I love this idea!! In books I eagerly am waiting for meeting between Jaime and his daughter.

  • Maybe this means that Lady SH is cut? The upcoming meeting between her, Jamie, and Brienne in the books appears to be the climax of his Riverlands story. If they are cutting Lady SH because it’s difficult to keep an actress like Michelle Fairley committed for a minor role, I can see them scraping the Riverlands arc all together in favor of a(in their opinion) more interesting plotline. Thus, instead of a climatic battle with Brienne at the end of S5, he gets one with a Sand Snake. Might not be the case – I’d love to see more development for Edmure, Black Fish, and to have Lady SH in the story, but you never know.

  • Jay,

    Your Dareon is amazing! Now I wish there was Dareon on the show in S5. That scene with Sam is great.

  • Carl Drago:
    wizardeyes,

    I like all your ideas a lot. Having 2 recognizable, fan favorite characters (If Bronn goes as well as some have suggested) present would raise the stakes considerably on an already intense scene. Plus we would still hopefully get Areo’s mortal kombat finisher. Here’s hoping you’re on to something.

    Yeah this is very interesting.

    I’m digging the thought that Jaime and Bronn are secretly working together toward some goal in Dorne, most likely to rescue Myrcella. But they are separated for most of the time in different physical locations and interacting with different characters. Almost like in ROTJ when Luke, Leia, Lando, etc. show up separately at Jabba’s palace all working toward the same goal of rescuing Han.

  • HellFell,

    Thanks so much! Yeah, I guess Dareon would have been cast in season 4 if they were gonna include him. There’s a reason why my Dareon is better than the other two – the guy who was filming it for me ran out of time so they were kinda rushed! Haha.
    Thank you.

  • Jay,

    You’re singing could use a little work, but other than that you 100% smashed Dareon. I actually want you to be cast. Sadly the bigger roles you tested for might require a little more charisma (and a Latino accent for Quentyn). I wish you all the best in your acting career.

  • Apparently they’ve cut the slap Oberyn gave to Obara’s mother and also the way she died ? I loved that part , added more complexity to Oberyn’s character .
    btw does anyone have a link to the tape ?(the main one got deleted)

  • Jay:
    I wasn’t going to post this anywhere anymore for fear of unprofessionalism but doesn’t look like I’m ever going to get an audition for the show so I don’t see what harm it can do.

    So for those that missed it when I did it last year, here is the audition video I made (completely speculatively, out of my own pocket, I should add) :

    http://youtu.be/-2GaRKbosQw

    For the record, I’ve done a decent amount of work here in the UK – but GoT is the dream! Oh well, hopefully this won’t do any harm by being out there. I just wanted to be proactive rather than sit on my butt and wait to get called for an audition.

    I think you’re a great actor, and if there’s a Dareon, you’d be great. It’s actually kind of annoying, I think you’re great as Aegon, too, but I think he needs to be younger.

    Good luck.

  • So for the Dornish, big boned, athletic woman they’re casting…skinny conventionally pretty white women? Sigh.

  • Also…

    If they want to send Jaime to Dorne it makes sense that he’d have backup for a mission to grab Myrcella. After all he is not the fighter he once was and Cersei would want to be sure that he has everything he needs to be successful. Would be a very dangerous mission, who better to have his back than our favorite well-paid sellsword. Bronn does kinda belong to Cersei now anyway.

    Then when Jaime fails to return with Myrcella it would drive an even deeper wedge between he and Cersei. This could lead right into him leaving King’s Landing for the Riverlands and Cersei’s letter…

  • Sweldon,

    You know what an audition tape is? She’s not got the role. Some people really want to hate the showrunners so much that they will blame them for something they don’t have any control over. In the casting call she’s described as athletic and able to fight a series regular. The actress auditioning obviously ignored that description. In what world can that possibly be D&D’s fault?

  • LSH isn’t cut, Lena Headey has pretty much confirmed she’s in. I don’t see the actress trolling the fans like that, too mean especially about this character!

  • Ol’ Three Eyes,

    That is hilarious, i hope it is true. Tyene is my favorite minor character i have high hopes for next books. I would love if she is properly handled on the show as well. Scenes like this give me hope DD will have fun with her and she will be improved and have enough screentime as it happened with Osha and Ygritte.

  • Luka Nieto:
    Sweldon,

    You know what an audition tape is? She’s not got the role. It’s impressive how much some people really, really want to hate the showrunners that they will blame them for something they don’t have any control over. In the casting call she’s described as muscular. This actress ignored that description. Is that D&D’s fault?

    I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s just some people really really want to find racism where there isn’t any.

  • Please D&D, if you are going to create another detour, don’t make it as convoluted as the two this season. If you make such a large deviation, it better be well handled.

  • Ser Davos Seaworth,

    Thanks! I actually did the singing slightly off key on purpose because I was playing him a bit drunk.

    Quentyn is basically described as charisma-less which is why I played him that way. I also did it before I knew they were going with accents for the Dornish. I’ve played Spanish before so if I’d have known they were going that way with it I would have done it.

  • Nicolai:
    I will say i doesn’t mean something, because it was just an audition tape. I don’t think they would sent a part of a actuel script to actors. I think they just wrote a audition script as the normal do. If Jaime is going to Dorne, it means the possibility of they cut LS. Why would the Lannisters risk a so importent person.

    Pedro Pascal said the audition script they sent him spoiled a major death for him, which can only be Joffrey’s. If they didn’t bother hiding that from actors not even in the show yet…

  • busman,

    A lot of people think Jamie and Cersei are actually Aerys’s kids. Others think Tyrion is Aerys’s. I’m sure at least a few think Tywin has no children at all.

  • Gatsby:
    Maybe this means that Lady SH is cut? The upcoming meeting between her, Jamie, and Brienne in the books appears to be the climax of his Riverlands story.

    I doubt she’s cut. And knowing GRRM’s post-ASOS storytelling method, Jaime and Brienne probably end up trekking all over Westeros, including Dorne, before they even reach Stoneheart.

    … that’s a joke, though :)

  • KZ:
    I can see it being another Yara “rescues” Theon type scene.Jaime teleports to Dorne, somehow has a fight (despite his general inability to fight anyone at this point in the books), nothing significant becomes of it, and he teleports back to the Riverlands and the story continues on as if the scene never happened.

    This.

    D&D by now have done a number of narrative cul-de-sacs as us Unsullied like to call them. And that’s fine. 7 episodes of Jaime yelling at the embarrassing Freys is not compelling TV. Jaime going to Dorne, then to the Riverlands, or what have you, is potentially compelling. So I’m good either way. They’re rich characters, so all the better. It follows, once again, what I now see as D&D’s 4 immutable rules of adaptation:

    –Increase conflict and conversation between interesting characters

    –Keep characters on the general path they need to be, even if some “in-between” stuff is added

    –Cut extraneous characters (if this is true, Balon Swann is a goner, and who gives a crap)

    –Use Littlefinger’s plot jetpacks when needed.

  • The person talking is probably either Arianne or Ellaria. If it is Arianne, it is odd how she would refer to her father as Prince Doran.

    If it is Ellaria, then what would happen to Arianne going to meet Aegon? They could instead have Doran give his speech to Obara, saying he did always love Oberyn and want revenge, and making her a legitimate Martell before sending her to treat with Aegon.

  • Jaime in Kings Landing would derail the storyline too much, he would NEVER leave after Myrcella is injured, why would he just leave Dorne? He would go after her killer, pretty much negating Jaimes AFFC storyline, and removing Briennes meetup with Jaime in ADWD who takes him to Stoneheart presumably to save Podricks life.

    This has to be some misinformation, cause Jaime is the WORST character to send to Dorne. Myrcella’s his freaking daughter. He would want revenge.

  • Ser Davos Seaworth,

    Thanks! Haha, sorry wasn’t trying to sell it to you. End of the day this was me taking passages from a book (not a real script) and trying to light and film and act in my own scenes in locations I only had for like 20 minutes.

  • Gooderson,

    I didn’t even consider it could be Ellaria. That actually makes at least as much sense as Arianne and certainly more than a Trystane swap.

  • LordStarkington,

    Perhaps is to give a little more time, after all, Jaime doesn’t do much other than travel to the riverlands, so maybe, he will go to Dorne first, giving time for Brienne’s story to catch up (If we dont get a LS reveal this season, and then he will come back to the riverlands, where Brienne will meet him.

  • Kyrion,

    They may not even bother with Myrcella getting injured. Or it could be she is injured during Jaime’s rescue attempt for which he really couldn’t place blame on Doran for her being injured. There are a few possibilities D&D could use to work around this issue where Marcella stays in Dorne and Jaime is forced to leave.

  • Luka Nieto:
    Sweldon,

    You know what an audition tape is? She’s not got the role. Some people really want to hate the showrunners so much that they will blame them for something they don’t have any control over. In the casting call she’s described as athletic and able to fight a series regular. The actress auditioning obviously ignored that description. In what world can that possibly be D&D’s fault?

    also won’t there be like, a ba-zillion audition tapes?? They don’t audition like 2 people for a role.

  • Really getting the feeling that Ellaria and the sandsnakes will play Arianne´s part and that Arianne won´t make the show. I really hope not though!

  • Charles,

    Au contraire, the idea is bold and actually makes sense. The Dornish storyline as it exists in the books takes way too long to have an impact on the rest of the kingdoms/characters. Show only viewers might enjoy the Dornish characters and the rich locations, etc. but they’ll be itching to see it actually intersect with everything else. Doran is awesome but his plans take quite some time to come to fruition. By sending Jaime to Dorne you further the existing intrigue/conflict between the Martells and the Lannisters and get to experience this new place through the eyes of a character you’re already invested in.

  • Gatsby,

    It would seem a shame to cut LSH, but I could see why it might happen depending on MF’s availability and how central she is (or isn’t) to the major storylines. Have to wait and see if she appears in this season’s finale or not.

    I totally agree that sending Jaime and Bronn to Dorne helps weave the Dornish plots and Martell’s into the main storylines in a much smoother manner instead of making them feel like a detour. And it will be some new stuff for the characters to interact with as well so I’m excited.

    I also think that instead of Myrcella being mutilated by Darkstar or even one of the Sand Snakes, it would instead happen, (if it happens all) during the failed ‘rescue attempt.’ In the meantime, word gets back to Doran and the Sand Snakes of Cersei perhaps having violent intentions towards Trystane-thus driving him to send the Sand Snakes to infiltrate KL-and unlike the books where he sends them off, and we don’t see it happen, on the show, I think we’ll see them arrive in KL and start stirring up trouble while Bronn and Jaime depart Dorne as well; Bronn meets up and marries Lollys in either KL or the Riverlands and Jaime is then off to the Riverlands too, (perhaps rather than besieging Riverrun to deal with all those reports of violence towards Frey’s by the BwB.)

  • I like Jaime in Dorne. It is a departure from the books, but it makes a lot more sense to follow a known character into a new environment then to just plop the viewers down in a new place with all new characters. For me the Dornish storyline drags and drags and it takes forever to understand how it connects with the rest of the story, and I still feel like I only half-get it. Having a known character there as an audience proxy will greatly assist in synthesizing the story. Also nobody will miss Balon Swann, and Jaime in the Riverlands doesn’t do much. He can go to Dorne and then go to the Riverlands later if necessary for him to be there to meet up with someone. He doesn’t have to stay in Dorne the whole season, just long enough to introduce it and connect it to the story.

  • busman,

    That’s precisely what would make it dramatic and interesting – especially if it turned out he had killed his own father. Which is rather heavily implied in AFFC.

  • Jenn: This audition is pretty messy, especially her accent. I would hope they continue hiring Latinos for Dorne.

    While Pedro Pascal is Chilean-born, he has spent much of his life in the United States (iirc), and his natural English-language accent is actually an American one, so it seems his “Dornish accent” accent was actually feigned.

  • trish: spoilers for what I think is going on:
    I think maybe Obara was practicing fighting with Nymeria while Tyene was watching.Arianne arrives, and she leaves her practice fighting conceding defeat to Nymeria’s skills with whips and says as much to Tyene. Arianne says Doran will weep for HER (Obara’s) father, and nothing else.
    IF my deduction is right – that IS Arianne Martell. Unless they completely changed Arianne into Tyene, and Tyene is a Martell and is Doran’s daughter. However the CASTING CALL has called her Tyene Sand.
    So.
    That’s Arianne Martell talking to Obara. For sure. Why would Tyene say YOUR father and not OUR father?

    Oh my god, thanks for giving me some hope! I was all ready to let go of my favorite Dornish character… I’ll watch it again

  • Jenn:
    This audition is pretty messy, especially her accent. I would hope they continue hiring Latinos for Dorne. We come in all shapes and colors, you know, which is perfect for the diversity of that area and the sand snakes.

    I really hope they don’t (or better said, they don’t start, because Pedro was hispanic not latino, and Indira Varma is not latino either), because there’s nothing less similar to a Dornishman than a latino…

    This chick, on the other hand, looks mediterranean ;)

  • Husband2Bears:
    Blind Beth,

    I think Jaimes convo with his aunt is amazing, that’s the one that ends with her saying that Tywin was wrong thinking that Jaime should be his heir, that Tyrion was Tywin.

    I agree. I loved his cleaning up the Riverlands. And that discussion shows how much he cared, how big of an approval he needed himself from his father. Everyone talks about Cersei and Tyrion desiring and needing Tywin’s recognition but Jamie needed it just as much. He was not exactly the golden boy the other two siblings think him. Not really, IMO.

  • Maxwell James,

    Sorry, I just can’t buy the idea of Jaime being the Mad Kings son. Tyrion very well might be. Aerys getting Jaime into the Kings Guard robs Tywin of his true heir and leaves Aerys son Tyrion as heir. Tywin suspects this and is trying to get Jaime out of the KG. None of that makes sense if Jaime is Aerys as well. Plus you have the problem of the gods cursing a kinslayer. Tyrion being Aerys keeps him from this curse for killing Tywin. Plus you have the symmetry of two loving brothers each having killed the other ones father. For me it makes more sense if Jaime is Tywin’s son and Tyrion is Aerys son.

  • Anyone think Jaime’s going to Dorne cos he thinks Tyrion might be there?

  • I don’t really like the actress, remember watching her in a small movie as well as Chainsaw Massacre remake. Maybe because the Sand Snakes are so awesome to me, but she just isn’t as compelling or good an actress to me. She was pretty hot in Chainsaw though, but just not the right actress.

    Considering Oberyn’s daughters are from different mothers, so can be a range of ethnicities; There are so many more compelling young actresses out there!
    Hope we get more auditions and/or names in the next few months

  • Jambo,

    Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) is American as is Jason Momoa (Drogo). It’s weird that some fans think the show has an anti-American bias just because it’s mainly cast European actors.

  • Sam Jabri-Pickett:
    *SPOILER ALERT* Jaime Lannister never even went south of Kings Landing, and it is integral he NOT go to Dorne

    Is this book purism solely or do you have reasons why he shouldn’t? Something beyond “it doesn’t happen that way in the books” would be nice and refreshing.

  • Ser Pounce:
    Hell Yea another american playing a cornish. Murica

    If I was you I would not pur “Dorne” and “Murica” in the same sentence, unless u mean it in a derogatory way, then is spot on…although now that I think of it, whatever your meaning was, it still would be spot on ;)

    PS: tip—>”murica” is pronounced “marica” in dornish XDD

  • She’s not right for the role, she’d make a good Nymeria, but Obara??? She shouldn’t look good at all, she is plain at best, a warrior and nothing else. And not that good of a warrior, Areo Hotah is convinced he would have no problem with her. Should I mention her accent? maybe not… the Sand Snakes are gathered from all over the place…. they can have different accents.

    I wouldn’t necessarily mind Jaime going to Dorne instead of Balon for example, but him going there to steal Myrcella??? That’s a huge change and it will NOT be for the better. He is connected to Brienne, why change that?? WHY?? The new Jaime would not go stealing his daughter and starting a war… his chapters in the Riverlands were a very good read, even if nothing huge happened.

  • This is a fantastic decision
    Firstly it removes any doubt about Brienne meeting LS in the finale, and secondly it really spices up the Dornish plot. Oberyn is without a doubt the best new character introduced since season 1, and it seems like everybody loved him. Sending Jaime (and possibly Bronn) to Dorne is going to make the plot longer and more interesting. I have enough faith in D and D to think that whatever he does there will make enough sense. NCW did hint at something of a big change would happen in the finale. Think about it, if Jaime is sent to Dorne in episode 10 he could arrive in episode 1 of season 5, or maybe episode 2, and he could easily start his Riverrun plot in season 5. Oberyn’s death was incredible, and it basically gave them massive potential to set up something for Martells vs. Lannisters. Involving Jaime would be great. It’s obviously a measure to make the material last too, as I have no doubt that LS and Riverrun will still be in.

  • fuelpagan,

    Except if Tyrion was the Mad Kings son then how was he more like Tywin when they barely spent time together than Jaime was who spent more time with Tywin than Tyrion

  • AFFC is uniquely bad and I understand that major changes are necessary if HBO wants to keep viewership high. IT’s hard enough for non book readers to keep track of all the characters without adding so many new ones. Though I would prefer Jamie go to Riverrun and parlay with the Blackfish, I think its a good idea to have him in Dorne. People will be much more interested in the Dornish storyline if a major character is there. I’m kind of looking forward to this and other changes.

  • Ser Pounce:
    Hell Yea another american playing a cornish. Murica

    I can count all the American actors on this show with one hand. The majority is by and large from the UK. So go vent your bile somewhere else.

  • mariamb,

    HBO now has 43 million subscribers!?!? Damn. They were around 30 million when GOT premiered in 2011. GOT is a gold mine.

  • fuelpagan,

    Obviously it’s all speculation at this point. This question has been endlessly discussed at Westeros and elsewhere, and I don’t feel like rehashing arguments that have already been made extensively by others. Based on the text, I think it’s more likely that Jaime and Cersei are “secret Targs” than Tyrion is. But I’d personally be happier if neither turns out to be true (and Martin has said that the other heads are not necessarily Targaryens).

  • For those complaining that she’s too pretty, lets not forget that Brienne and Tyrion are both supposed to be extremely ugly looking. This is a TV show. Everyone is going to be beautiful, even the ugly people.

    After seeing the video, I’m a little concerned by her acting, but I think she was great on Lost so I wouldn’t be mad if she got the part. These things must be awkward as hell to make, so they probably aren’t the best way to judge someone’s acting skills…

  • JR:
    AFFC is uniquely bad and I understand that major changes are necessary if HBO wants to keep viewership high. IT’s hard enough for non book readers to keep track of all the characters without adding so many new ones. Though I would prefer Jamie go to Riverrun andparlay with the Blackfish, I think its a good idea to have him in Dorne.People will be much more interested in the Dornish storyline if a major character is there. I’m kind of looking forward to this and other changes.

    I’m utterly tired of people just spouting that A Feast for Crows was terrible, as if it were somehow universally accepted and obvious to all. It isn’t. It’s easy to show how it’s actually better written than the precious three books. Martin’s ability to create atmosphere, seamlessly change the tone of the book – action, to horror, to all out psychological thriller – and still expand the series past ‘the next big plot twist’ into a massive and varied world, which begins to feel like it exists without the characters, who are just people in this morbid, shattered land. Speaking of character, he also manages to make these characters (like Cersei) feel incredibly layered. All that whilst littering the book with seeds of story lines that will flower in coming books. Not to mention how funny it is as well- Cersei’s chapters can be so a darkly humorous I’d just crack up; as well as utterly horrifying, of course. But also the skill and subtlety it took to build the tension between Cersei and Marg, that to me was better then any armies battling. And then there’s Brienne’s completely terrifying end chapters. There’s a thousand reasons why the book is brilliant, and sadly many in the fanbase neglect this because they didn’t get to see their ACTION SCENES!!!!

    I love the forth book. It makes the series much more than it was.

  • Jay,

    Seen it before and I still like it! You could pull off a great Daerion, you could do Young Griff too. I doubt Quentyn is on the table though, given the Hispanic casting call (a and the fact that he may get cut entirely). Keep trying! Making someone important see your video

  • Head of the Wolf,

    Exactly.
    I see it both ways honestly, but I think there is more to be gained by Jaime and Cersei being Aerys’s spawn than Tyrion.

    Ignoring all the so-called evidence – which I think is vague at best and can be used for or against anyone’s case – It is far more poetic to me. Tywin hates Tyrion his only true son and the one who is most like him, the one who could truly rule Casterly Rock as Tywin did. Then it makes his golden boy Jaime actually his rival’s bastard. Plus, it makes Jaime not only a Kingslayer but a kinslayer. Well, actually it makes both Jaime and Tyrion kinslayers.

    The most interesting possibility of the twins being Aerys’s bastards to me is that it lines Jaime up to be Azor Ahai….

    All that said, I can see most of the “evidence” for Targaryen bastardy being red herrings quite easily!

  • JR:
    Chríss,

    i appreciate your comments but AFFC still sucks. It puts the B in Boring.

    I think should our arguments be weighed up, I’ve made the stronger case.

  • If the Trystane auditions are real, I’m really opposed to the second one. The first one was just okay. Just my opinion.

  • Falcool,

    I am getting behind your first Dorne and afterwards Riverlands idea! That’s because while for me Feast made sense as it was, it would be difficult to make a whole season for Jaime out of his chapters based on AFFC alone plus whatever is in ADWD, in my opinion. He only has Riverrun parley and Raventree Hall after which we have directly Brienne with LS. So if instead of Balon Swann they choose to beef up his material with Dorne, well.. then so be it. I found his Feast chapters well written and very enjoyable, but translation to the screen, prolonging it, is difficult for 10 eps, if he’s to be in most of them.

  • For some reason my post won’t let me edit, but I’d just like to elaborate. The first audition – the guy seemed like a really good actor, but he seems quite untrustworthy. I expected Trystane to have a more innocent sort of love. I just didn’t like the second at all. Again, no offence intended, all just my opinion!

  • Turncloak,

    I can’t really make a trasncript now, but it’s basically him telling Myrcella he’s going to ask Doran to marry her. He seems in love with her. Myrcella has doubts because her mother married because of duty, not love.

    The second tape has the same script.

  • Chríss,

    I feel the same way, thank you!
    To me Books IV and V make the Books I-III mean so much more than they were on their own. I love them for what they are.

  • Turncloak,

    Here you go. :)

    Trystane: I’m going to ask him. Tomorrow.
    Myrcella: What if he says no?
    Trystane: He won’t. We waited long enough. I want you to be my wife. What is it?
    Myrcella: My mother never loved my father. She was forced to marry him, but she did her duty. Do you want to marry me because it’s expected of you? Or do you… We can’t! People will see!
    Trystane: Meet me later.
    Myrcella: Trystane…
    Trystane: Please. I know a very secluded spot that is particularly beautiful in the late afternoon sun. You really should see it.

  • Chríss: I’m utterly tired of people just spouting that A Feast for Crows was terrible, as if it were somehow universally accepted and obvious to all. It isn’t. It’s easy to show how it’s actually better written than the precious three books. Martin’s ability to create atmosphere, seamlessly change the tone of the book – action, to horror, to all out psychological thriller – and still expand the series past ‘the next big plot twist’ into a massive and varied world, which begins to feel like it exists without the characters, who are just people in this morbid, shattered land. Speaking of character, he also manages to make these characters (like Cersei) feel incredibly layered. All that whilst littering the book with seeds of story lines that will flower in coming books. Not to mention how funny it is as well- Cersei’s chapters can be so a darkly humorous I’d just crack up; as well as utterly horrifying, of course. But also the skill and subtlety it took to build the tension between Cersei and Marg, that to me was better then any armies battling. And then there’s Brienne’s completely terrifying end chapters. There’s a thousand reasons why the book is brilliant, and sadly many in the fanbase neglect this because they didn’t get to see their ACTION SCENES!!!!

    I love the forth book. It makes the series much more than it was.

    I really enjoy AFFC too.

    But it’s jarring at first.

    It opens with a bunch of people in Oldtown we’ve never seen before.

    Follows that up with the Captain of the Guard in Dorne.

    Then moves on to Aeron, the Drowned Priest.

    And so it’s jarring. There’s no dragons. No Tyrion. No Jon Snow. In some ways, the 3 main characters. So I get that criticism.

    And I do believe there’s some unnecessary Brienne material that doesn’t work (Nimble Dick Crabbe, I’m looking in your direction. And Ser Illifer the Penniless, we’ll show you the door as well, please. Thank you.)

    But the Cersei stuff is fantastic. It’s just brilliant. And they kick Dorne and the Iron Islands into high gear, and have a great time with that too. Also love Arya and Sansa. I think it’s very good as a book, too.

    Clearly, much of it is cuttable – Brienne’s journey is an easy one to chip away at. But other than Tyrion, Cersei, Jon Snow & Stannis, and Dany, most other characters’ plots in the two books occupy very little space.

  • Abyss,

    Well, this at least seems somewhat easier to parse. Although if they’re engaged/betrothed anyway, why must Trystane ask Doran (?) for Myrcella’s hand officially? Just to add a romantic/character-building scene? Is it actually someone else he’s seeing sneakily on the side? That doesn’t make much sense, and the replies do sound like what Myrcella would say about Cersei and Robert.

  • Head of the Wolf,

    Tyrion is more like Tywin in how he is calculating. Tyrion wants power, he wants Casterly Rock, he enjoys being Hand of the King. Jaime would rather just be in the Kings Guard and be with Cersei.

    In a nutshell, Tyrion wants to play the Game of Thrones, Jaime couldn’t care less. That’s how I interpret Jaime’s Aunt’s claim. Not that she has any inside knowledge about who may or may not really be a bastard.

  • Kit,

    Tyrion said back in season 2 that he plans to marry Myrcella off to Dorne. That doesn’t mean Doran has to agree to the match. As of now she is nothing more than a guest in Dorne.

  • Maxwell James,

    For me it comes down to…How would we find this out? Barristan has eluded to Aerys loving another and hinting he may have forced himself onto Tywin’s wife. Maybe Aerys raped Tywin’s wife several times and only the last time she confessed to Tywin what happened. For me the only one left alive who would know the truth is Barristan, everyone else is unreliable.

  • Love these leaked auditions, I am pretty sure D&D will take their time having them removed because they want hard core book fans to be aware there are major adaption changes coming, at least in one area.

    I said it weeks ago concerning Obara’s fight with a regular (not guest) cast member. There were only two that matched that description, Jaime and Bronn. It looks like both are headed there (probably Lolly’s too), I’m thinking it is Bronn who fights Obara. But it could be Jaime, I have been pondering how Jaime could fight again and perhaps Qyburn creates a sword attachment for his right wrist, think sword instead of hook. Because Jaime forced Qyburn to save his wrist, this enables him to have flexibility fighting with a sword attachment. Just a thought, but I think its a logical one.

  • Dorne, Dorne, it rhymes with porn. You know HBO was going to show as much of it as possible.

  • Eli,

    Abyss,

    You guys are right, I think–I’m just on overdrive right now, overthinking a lot of things, hah. I hope it’s at least pretty sweet/honest–Myrcella needs good things in her life, IMO.

  • Did people really expect to get the story of AFFC/ADWD told in the show like it is in the books? I thought by the time the show got to AFFC/ADWD most fans would more be accepting of big alterations realizing how shitty those books translate to TV but apparently not. I enjoyed many aspects of AFFC/ADWD but it has become a sprawling mess of a story and would make for horrible TV. Jaime on a mission to Dorne sounds like it could be a lot more entertaining then him bullshitting around the Riverlands. If season 5 is going to have any chance of being good it needs to be more inspired by AFFC/ADWD than an adaptation. I’m hoping for more alterations like this to other boring story lines too.

  • Ugashep,

    Dorne, Dorne, it rhymes with porn. You know HBO was going to show as much of it as possible.

    There has been virtually no sex at all this season other than 15secs with Ramsay and that girl. This show isn’t nearly as obsessed with sex as some people seem to think it is.

  • Turncloak,

    This murky Trystane, Tyene being the seductive one, possibly Ellaria (or Tyene) instigating the Myrcella plot… Unless she was renamed Tyene (which doesn’t seem the case since she was listed as a Sand in the casting call) there just doesn’t seem to be a place for Arianne anymore. Why would she call her father “Prince Doran”?

  • I think this is a fantastic change. Jaime in Dorne would make total sense since Mycella is in fact his daughter. It would also give weight to the Dorne storyline by having an established character in the mix. And lets be honest here, that business with Jaime in the Riverlands dealing with the Blackfish is borderline filler and could not fill up an entire season.

  • jentario,

    Very good points. It would be a shocking decision to replace Arianne with a sand snake though. I rather have 1 less snake than no Arianne. I wonder if Trystane is given Quentyn’s role. For example when Trystane asks to Doran to marry Myrcella, Doran promises him Daenerys instead.

  • Tryrion Pimpslap:
    I think this is a fantastic change. Jaime in Dorne would make total sense since Mycella is in fact his daughter. It would also give weight to the Dorne storyline by having an established character in the mix. And lets be honest here, that business with Jaime in the Riverlands dealing with the Blackfish is borderline filler and could not fill up an entire season.

    Well put. That stuff can certainly occupy a couple of episodes anyway. The more contact between characters we care about the better.

    And I really liked the Yara and Jon/Bran subplots anyway.

  • Turncloak,

    I thought of that before, but it seems less likely now. Either his feelings for Myrcella are genuine (which I doubt) or he’s part of the Myrcella plot and wants to be king, which likely means he gets Arianne’s role essentially (daddy issues).

    Either way, cutting Arianne feels like someone puked over my dinner and made me eat it. As I said, I will still enjoy Dorne (assuming it’s done well) but this is probably the first change the show has done (or seems to, anyway) that I just can’t for the life of me understand or accept. Hopefully I’m wrong and she’s in, but at this point I’m willing to bet that they cut her.

  • Chriss:
    For some reason my post won’t let me edit, but I’d just like to elaborate. The first audition – the guy seemed like a really good actor, but he seems quite untrustworthy. I expected Trystane to have a more innocent sort of love. I just didn’t like the second at all. Again, no offence intended, all just my opinion!

    I like the first one. I thought he did seem sweet. But I didn’t like the second guy. He overacted and came across as cocky which I don’t think is right for the role.

  • Turncloak,

    Ha! Thanks for that. I love Craig Ferguson and Amanda Peet is adorable. She seems so sweet. Gives her husband a little break from all the heartbreak and death.

  • jentario,

    IF we assume that Arianne is out (and that’s a pretty big IF) can we then infer that the show is not going to include Aegon? Seems like Arianne’s book story is leading toward him… Or could they keep Aegon and have him in a possible pairing with Sansa or someone else? Obviously all hypothetical…

  • I’m sure the Trystane auditions are legit- they have the same dialogue. The actors are from different continents: one based in the US, one in the UK.

    I actually preferred the second one, he was more understated, but I’m sure there will be loads of actors auditioning. No reason to think it will be either one of these guys getting the part.

  • JamesL:
    Jaime on a mission to Dorne sounds like it could be a lot more entertaining then him bullshitting around the Riverlands.

    I rather enjoyed post-Cersei & post-Brienne Jaime bullshitting around the riverlands with his idiot cousin, insightful aunt and mute training buddy, as he thanklessly tries to set things right in the land again. The Riverrun bridge verbal sparring with BF is excellent dialogue and could be preceded by a tense siege, and followed by an exciting BF escape and Edmure capture….before a dark reunion with Brienne.

    However, I wonder…in the aftermath of an LS meeting (if indeed there is one) in the books, is Jaime is going to head south to engage the Dornish regarding the future of Myrcella? This could be a case of reordering a character’s adventures. The show could be reordering things unknown to us.

    If they don’t do Riverrun, then BF will either end up in the Vale or seek out the curiously covert Mr. Reed, Edmure will be dead, and Jaime would indeed need an adventure before LS….(sigh of acceptance).

  • Sunfyre,

    I don’t know, I am in the grieving period for my favorite Dornish character right now…
    I doubt they’ll cut the Griffs with all the Golden Company references were getting this season. It’s possible, but it would probably be disastrous going forward. Aegon+Sansa could actually work in the show, but it begs the question… When/how does Dorne come into the picture? Who do they back in the show? There has to be a plan there, or they wouldn’t be making this change.

  • Jay,

    Jay, you nailed those characters. With all the characters that there are in this universe, you have a chance if you keep going for it. You’re clearly a good actor and you’re perfect for Dareon, who unfortunately probably won’t be in it.

  • I am not worried concerning Arianne, the part is too important, especially knowing she has big chapters in Winds. My hope is she has been cast already and probably filled by a well known young actress. The big HBO announcement will be after season 4 ends.
    I further agree with those here that Arianne is the person Obara is conversing with. Tyene is sparring with Nym and clearly Obara is speaking to her first before turning her attention to the unknown person.

  • jentario,

    That other person is talking so damn fast and with a thick accent it’s hard to make out the lines, Latinos, I am around them all the time and boy can they talk Fast and Furiously. I speak some Spanish, but oftentimes the Cubans rattle their words off like machine guns and I can’t get the translation.

  • We’ll we probably could have guessed Jaime had a couple of significant convo’s in the books, but most of the characters he had them with don’t exist on the show. They were mostly fluff anyway. Well written fluf, but nothing really plot advancing until a certain encounter I wonder how that will play out

    I’m more than willing to sacrifice it for Jaime killing Obara, one of the more boring characters Martin created. Although, if leftie Lannister can defeat/kill her, she really is a fuck-up.

    Mort: You keep asking for it, and asking for it! And you are right! We should cast Mads Mikkelsen as Euron!

  • The Hodor audition was taken down. Does anyone have a mirror? I would absolutely love to see it!

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    That’s an interesting thought. Somehow in my mind the Dorne journey should take place before the Riverrun. And they might cut completely Raventree Hall. The Bracken / Blackwood feud is interesting sure, but probably only for those people who enjoyed Feast and/or Dunk and Egg novellas. The only worthy thing there is that weirwood Bloodraven tree with crows, from a TV show perspective. And that’s only assuming they want to give Bloodraven a background. Definitely cuttable if you need to cut and replace.

    Maybe that’s the whole reason for Jamie going to Dorne. Strange that. I thought there’s not enough material for Jaime, not that they have too much.

  • fuelpagan,

    Crap that would be great! Maybe in the fight he thinks she’s dead and Bronn forces him to leave, and then like Sunfyre mentioned, that drives the big rift between him and Cersei and he runs for the Riverlands. And then LSH.

    My ideal blocking for the whole LSH thing would be to reveal her at the very end of this season and then throw in a couple of cryptic and creepy omens about her whenever Pod and Brienne show up in season 5, and then episode 8 ends with Brienne and Pod (and hopefully Hyle–I hope he makes the cut) hanging from the noose and the camera cuts right before she chooses, so you don’t know what she said. Episode 9 proceeds as usual and then Episode 10 has one short scene of Brienne finding Jaime and taking him away. I think editing those scenes that way would make people FREAK, especially since Brienne is climbing the charts of Popular Characters.

    But there’s no way in hell that LSH gets cut because that’s exactly the kind of gruesome, creepy, heartrending stuff that these guys salivate over.

  • fuelpagan: Plus you have the symmetry of two loving brothers each having killed the other ones father. For me it makes more sense if Jaime is Tywin’s son and Tyrion is Aerys son.

    That’s beautiful. In a really messed up way.

  • jentario:
    StrokemeMarg,

    Calling daddy “Prince Doran” makes no sense.

    It does if she is pissed at him for trying to deny her birthright and not wanting to avange Oberyn. Perhaps she is mocking her father by calling him “Prince Doran”

  • Arianne may or may not appear. I know they keep name dropping the Golden Company and I’m sure they’ll play a role at some point, (either working for Stannis or Dany,) but I’m still doubtful whether they’ll include Aegon/Griff with all the other plot developments especially since featuring an in all likelihood Fake Lost Targaryen prince when a certain real lost Targaryen prince’s identity will be coming out soon enough might be needlessly confusing and in fact steal the thunder for that revelation. Not to mention seeing Aegon invade the Seven Kingdoms first would also steal Dany’s thunder for what is supposed to be one of the biggest moments of the series and annoy viewers even more about how long it’s been taking her to get to Westeros.

    So essentially I’d really prefer if they didn’t include Aegon. I suspect enough things are going to have to happen in the next three seasons to keep things exciting without him.

  • jentario: Calling daddy “Prince Doran” makes no sense.

    Unless she is pissed off at him for seeming to waffle and is thus distancing herself from him by decidedly calling him by his proper title, “Prince Doran.” It would also imply, “The Prince himself will do nothing, so it is up to us to act.”

    Oh jentario, jentario. Didn’t we go through all of this in a previous thread when the casting calls were leaked? Again, there was likely no casting call for Arienne because she is already cast or they have specific actors in mind for the part and are dealing directly with those agents. Name one major POV character that has been cut thus far. Name one instance where D&D have changed the story anywhere NEAR the extreme of cutting a character like Arienne. You cannot, because they haven’t.

    Chillax. Take some valium. Dismantle your guillotine. All is well!

  • Totally on board with this actress joining the show, but there have been so few missteps in the casting that I have faith whoever they pick will be spot on.

    On the separate “spoilery” note, yeah I have to agree with others that this sounds like a Cersei planned sneak attempt rescue, and if they feel Myrcella needs to be injured, it will happen here, no Darkstar. If Jaime was bringing back Prince Oberyn’s remains it would be official, she’s sending Jaime because, really, who else is left? Plus it’s his daughter! When Jaime fails to bring her back, then he’ll go to the Riverlands and likely end up at the same place as in the books. I don’t think Brienne is going to meet LS this season, I think she might run into Gendry on the road and he’ll help her in Season 5 find the brotherhood. We’ll find out that thread in two weeks.

  • Winnie,

    Aegon, fake or not, is meant to “steal Dany’s thunder”. Either way, it sets up another “Dance of Dragons” or a 4th Blackfyre rebellion. Fucking awesomeness either way. GRRM has been hinting that dragon dancing is the path toward the end-game for several years now.

    I happen to like the “idea” of Aegon still alive because it indirectly respects & gives renewed fervor to the RV’s passion toward his sister’s murder and her family’s daunting fate. PLUS….IT GIVES EVEN MORE RATIONALE TO THE FACT THAT OBERYN WAS IN ESSOS FOR 5 YEARS!!!

    :)
    Aegon/fAegon deliciously/deliriously complicates things for the ASoI&F story and ties in with Westeros history perfectly, imho.

  • Jay,

    A bit late to this post, but I wanted to express my admiration for your work, Jay! I’ll admit I was a bit hesitant to click on the link but I was actually really impressed. You’re really, really effective in all of the roles you chose to read, and although I’m hoping you will somehow get a look in with GoT, if not I wish you luck in other future endeavours. Keep at it, you’re bloody good!

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yes, but unlike the books we don’t have all that build-up with the Blackfyres and Dances with Dragon. Nor for that matter do we have a prophecy about a mummer’s dragon to fulfill. What we do have is years and years of viewers waiting for Dany to invade Westeros already with her dragons-and for Aegon to suddenly pop out of nowhere just isn’t gonna make for good tv. And again it will confuse viewers to have Aegon in Westeros when we get the Big Reveal about Jon.

  • Winnie,

    How did you interpret Varys & Oberyn’s conversation in the throne room, with Varys gazing toward the iron throne?

    …”The absence of desire leaves one free to pursue other things…”

    That brilliantly loaded scene was so filled with the implication that there are more hidden pursuits out there. We shall see, won’t we? :)

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Definitely hidden pursuits-I agree. Just don’t have to be Aegon.

    I admit the show has planted some seeds that might be for Aegon’s entrance-I just don’t think it would work very well on screen.

    We shall see.

  • johnnytata,

    Only, we’ve seen similar landscapes to Dorne in the warmer, arid and semi-arid environs of Essos – Qarth, parts of Meereen, etc. Not to mention King’s Landing, much of which was shot in southern Croatia, which is Mediterranean at a similar latitude as the parts of Spain they are looking at for Dorne. So it won’t likely seem too new…Just different than the scenes in the North, the Vale and the Riverlands.

  • Agreed – very, very conventionally pretty and based on this audition tape, she seems to have very little range.

    Nina Gold has been excellent at casting talented actors with very interesting faces. Pedro Pascal was one of those – a unique face that you just want to paint.

    This actress is just so…meh. Good for a show set in modern LA, perhaps, but not for Westeros.

    I want to see someone with a unique and interesting face and excellent acting chops for the sand Snake roles. Otherwise, these could end up being some very boring scenes…

  • Matt Sinopoli,

    Right, but though neither Gwendoline Christie nor Peter Dinklage are ugly, they are certainly not attractive in a conventional sense. They have very unique faces, and unique charisma. The actress in this audition tape was vanilla. Pretty like a fountain in a mall, as opposed to a natural waterfall.

    I trust Nina Gold, however, so I’m not worried.

  • It’s a good call sending Jaime to Dorne. Non-readers will need a familiar character to settle them into a completely new setting and storyline.

  • I’ve watched a few other video clips of her, and have modified my opinion a bit. She’s both less conventional than I got from the audition tape, and a better actress. Might not be the worst choice!

  • Dan and David are just playing with us. Jamie is not fit to fight a stableboy. Would not make much of an interesting fight. I feel that Jamies fate lies with Lady Stoneheart and Brienne. Maybe Cersei send Bronn to Dorne, to rescue Mycella. Or it could simply be Areo Hotah, who is this significant character.

    Each of the Sand Snakes come to Doran, and presents different plots for vengeance. Obara wants to sack Oldtown, Nymeria wants to assassinate Jamie, Cersei and Tommen, while Tyene wants to crown Mycella queen of Westeros by Dornish law. This could be where the talk of Jamie Lannister comes in.

  • My question is: Where the hell is Quiathe? And Edmure? And The Blackfish?

  • Daniellica: Again, there was likely no casting call for Arienne because she is already cast or they have specific actors in mind for the part and are dealing directly with those agents.

    Also, let’s remember that post said it was a PARTIAL cast listing.

  • Daniellica,

    You seriously can’t compare AFFC/ADWD to the previous books in terms of adaption. POV characters WILL get cut or combined into others this time. Do you seriously see Aeron make it? Arys Oakheart looks like a goner, Quentyn probably gets combined into Trystane…

    I hope I’m just being pessimistic but every bit if news so far makes this look worse for Arianne.

  • i find it rather hilarious and slightly awesome that people have figured out half of next season’s storylines based on 2 minutes of a barely intelligible audition tape.

    just don’t be outraged when what actually happens is nothing like what you predict.

  • johnnytata:
    i find it rather hilarious and slightly awesome that people have figured out half of next season’s storylines based on 2 minutes of a barely intelligible audition tape.

    just don’t be outraged when what actually happens is nothing like what you predict.

    Hahahahahahahahahahha. We’ll said.

  • Ser Matt the Sullen,

    Don’t know about Qaithe but Edmure is still a prisoner of Walder Frey-(Jury’s out whether he survives or not, but I ain’t optimistic for his chances next season) while Blackfish is on the run. I expect he’ll turn up either with the BwB or in the Vale.

  • Winnie,

    The Cynical side of me thinks GRRM will have A+L=J instead (Mad King Aerys and Lyanna). It would be so GRRM like since he likes squashing fantasy tropes. Aerys assigns Rhaegar to bring him the knight of the laughing tree. Rhaegar does just that and Mad King Aerys rapes her (The theory being that Rhaegar would be too honorable and noble to cheat on his wife Elia). Even if GRRM originally intended for R+L=J I can see why he would change it if too many people are expecting that. He can squash our hopes like a bug or Beatle. Jon still being part Targaryen but under different circumstances would make for a “bitter-sweet” ending

  • jentario: Do you seriously see Aeron make it? Arys Oakheart looks like a goner, Quentyn probably gets combined into Trystane…

    Are you seriously comparing Aeron and Arys Oakheart to Arienne? Do you really think they would cast three Sandsnakes and Areo fucking Hotah and not Arienne? Do you think maybe GRRM has a perverted kind of synesthesia and kept having fantasies about the letter ‘A’ when he wrote ASoS and ADwD? Such questions!

  • Spoilers through ADwD…

    Anyone else think that maybe the ship master said he smuggled the queen’s brother, the kingslayer, and Obara merely assumed he meant Jamie… but maybe he actually smuggled Tyrion?


    It would be more interesting TV to have Tyrion hanging out in Dorne than Illyrio’s palace. Maybe have him hang there for a while stalling his plotline a bit, and giving us an excuse for Dorne exposition? He can then depart for Mereen w/ some Dornishmen, or could simply sail over and resume his Illyrio storyline in season 6.

    Or maybe the folks who wrote the dialog they were reading could be trolling us all. :)

  • Many forget one of the primary reasons D&D have to cast Arianne, if not they can be accused of anti-feminism and inequality. Dorne is the only Kingdom where women can inherit the seat of power (even in Targ dynasty men rule over women), for D&D to remove the Princess and replace with Trystane and have Dorne’s power structure be the same as the other kingdoms is a slap in the face of women and the equality they have in the southern realm. It would also mean the creators of the show have a biased towards male dominance, that women seeking power must do so behind closed doors with palace intrigue and bedroom diplomacy. Arianne’s fear is that her father intends to ignore the traditions of Dorne and usurp her rights in line of succession for her younger brother. D&D must keep this relationship intact along with the Arianne/Doran/Quentyn(Trystane) subplot, to show how tenuous women’s hold of equality is, once attained, and their fear of losing it once a male takes power.

  • Could it be possible that Jaime takes on Aerys Oakheart role? It would make a lot of sense that Cersei sends him to protect Myrcella after Oberyn’s death, but always with scorn as he let Tyrion escape and he is proud about it. So, when Arianne seduces him to bring it to her side ( and that will be amazing by the way) he decides to enjoy it (sexposition) and crown Myrcella, which is his daugther after all. He could try to start a war with King’s Landing and end the stupid reign of his sister.

    The relationship with Arianne, a game of masks in both sides, will prove that Jaime is so past Cersei, and he finally colaborates with the good ones, but in a very awkward plot, in the end.
    What I wouldn’t dare say is if they will be so bold as to kill him right there when everything fails, or if they will get him to Stoneheart and then kill him (I think Jaime has not much more booklife to expect). I don’t specially like Jaime plot in the Riverlands apart from him encountering Brienne and Stoneheart. Most of the boring things he does could be done by Kevan Lannister, which they will have to add sometime in the future.

    Mixing Trystane and Quentin could also be a very good idea, two one-sided characters would become a complicated and exciting one with him framing then abandoning Myrcella and then going for Dany, tv viewers will get more attached to him and his journey that way.

  • Daniellica,

    I’m just saying the landscape is changing, AFFC and ADWD will not be adapted in nearly as loyal a manner as the first three books. If they’re willing to entirely cut the Iron Islands, for instance, cutting Arianne is certainly possible. At face value, it’s the most illogical change ever, but so far we’ve only heard bad news from her. When GRRM first talked about which Martells he thinks we will see he outright said “Doran, the Sand Snakes and Hotah”. He did NOT say Arianne. Later, Arianne doesn’t appear in a list that includes the rest of the big players of Dorne and Trystane is aged up. Now, two leaked auditions suggest that both Trystane and the Sand Snakes are involved in the Myrcella plot, a plot that in the books was wholly Arianne’s. Coincidence? Hopefully.

    As to why they would do this change… Maybe they wanted to shift the focus to the beloved Oberyn’s children rather than some niece. Maybe they didn’t want to touch on the Dornish gender equality for some reason (which is a bad fucking excuse, would only make things worse)- needless to say, they have already changed Oberyn’s monologue and now instead of his mother, his father took him to Casterly Rock. Coincidence? Hopefully.

    Could Arianne be calling her father Prince Doran? If she is mocking him, yes it’s possible. But would that explain “Mother. Nym, Obara.” from the audition? Certainly not. This seems to add fuel to the Ellaria fire, if one of the three cast Sand Snakes is changed into her daughter. Could this be intertwined script scenes that highlight Obara’s character? I would bet on it, since the conversations jump around between different subjects. So could this be Arianne and Ellaria? Maybe.

    So a character that should have been an “absolutely” has now been rendered down to a “maybe”. Add to that the first few points and you’d be a fool to completely eliminate this (admittedly ridiculous) possibility.

    But I guess completely abandoning hope is just as bad as denial. Let us pray!

  • Not that really proves anything one way or the other, but Arianne does refer to her father as the Prince and Prince Doran in her second chapter in AFfC.

    I personally think Arianne’s conflict with her father (and the way it evolves) is the most interesting part of the Dorne story, so I hope they keep it in some form.

  • MikeFromBraavos:
    Spoilers through ADwD…

    Anyone else think that maybe the ship master said he smuggled the queen’s brother, the kingslayer, and Obara merely assumed he meant Jamie… but maybe he actually smuggled Tyrion?


    It would be more interesting TV to have Tyrion hanging out in Dorne than Illyrio’s palace.Maybe have him hang there for a while stalling his plotline a bit, and giving us an excuse for Dorne exposition?He can then depart for Mereen w/ some Dornishmen, or could simply sail over and resume his Illyrio storyline in season 6.

    Or maybe the folks who wrote the dialog they were reading could be trolling us all. :)

    Or it’s not Jaime Lannister that’s been smuggled into Dorne – it’s Tyrion.

  • StrokemeMarg,

    Arianne’s part is so important that despite reading the books twice, I can barely remember a think she does or says…?

    IMO, the Sand Snakes replacing her (and giving them the Queenmaker role) will make little difference to the story.

  • jentario:
    Daniellica,

    You seriously can’t compare AFFC/ADWD to the previous books in terms of adaption. POV characters WILL get cut or combined into others this time. Do you seriously see Aeron make it? Arys Oakheart looks like a goner, Quentyn probably gets combined into Trystane…

    I hope I’m just being pessimistic but every bit if news so far makes this look worse for Arianne.

    I still don’t think so. The transcript makes it clear that Obara is speaking with an unnamed other person, more than likely someone older than her (a younger character wouldn’t tell Obara “you must choose Doran’s way or my way,” so that eliminates Trystane). That means it’s either Ellaria, or Arianne. So maybe it’s Ellaria. That’s possible. But her characterization thus far has not been that of a fighter. Until there’s real confirmation of this, I don’t see this being deleted. It eliminates the single greatest Dorne line: “Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood.” if they go that direction. Arianne is the linchpin of the entire Queenmaker plot, and having Trystane also be aged up and turned into someone more love-lorn also forces Doran’s hand in a way he doesn’t want. It feeds directly into that plot. I think we’re getting the head, the tail, the whole damned thing.

    Despair not. Throughout the Season 3 casting process we had leaks of all sorts of stuff, rumors, blah blah, and not a word on Mance Rayder. Then, out of nowhere, Ciaran Hinds. Sure, he’d been named-checked often, but just the same, the rumors on that front were minimal. Right now we have no evidence of her being excluded. We have absence of evidence, or rather, a small, small amount of evidence that she has not yet been cast.

  • GreatJon of Slumber,

    Mance Rayder was mentioned a hundred times in season 2. Jon was brought to his camp at the end of season 2. Anyone that thought Mance was cut was being stupid.

    Arianne was never mentioned. For the full story on why it’s possible Arianne is cut, look up at my rant.

  • ArgonathofBraavos,

    After reading the books twice, her story line is the one that stays with me the most from Feast. I remember almost every part of her arc, but very little from the other ones in the book. Obviously this means that the Dornish plot triggered far more interest in myself as a reader and I was intrigued by the characters and events than the other arcs. I can barely remember anything from Alayne’s, Cersei’s, Arya’s and Brienne’s arcs. All I rememeber from the Ironborn is the actual Kingsmoot, the characters were so one dimensional it was sad. Euron, a pirate’s life for me (complete with stock one eye), I am Sinbad traveling the Seven Seas, returning home with a magical horn. Victarion, typical Viking stock player, yawn!

  • jentario:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Mance Rayder was mentioned a hundred times in season 2. Jon was brought to his camp at the end of season 2. Anyone that thought Mance was cut was being stupid.

    Arianne was never mentioned. For the full story on why it’s possible Arianne is cut, look up at my rant.

    I understand. It’s just that I still feel that most of what we have is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence. It’s a partial cast list. In regard to GRRM, he doesn’t handle the casting. We still lack for information.

  • I read where Kristen Bell wants to be in GoT, she’d make a great Tyene Sand, the character is the least Dornish (blonde), due to her mother being a Septa not native to Dorne, thereby excusing Tyene from having a Latin accent.

    A 2014 pic of MS Bell and wow has she matured from her innocent girl look. I can see her teasing, seducing and poisoning her enemies.

    http://st.baskino.com/uploads/images/2012/037/wgvy398.jpg

    A plus is that it would bring a recognizable name for Americans into the mix and HBO could play up the Frozen connection and attract Disney girls to watch the show, lol. Anything to increase viewership, who gives a shit about family value groups, they are so 1950’s. Tyene is a better role model for girls than Anna.

  • GaiusB,

    Well she could be Loly’s and play it ditsy. Ms Bell still looks young, though mature young and people aged in medieval times different than today, women 18-20 more than likely looked like a woman in her mid 20’s in today’s society.

  • Dear Dorks,

    Please understand that in audition tapes they give actors lines to read that are mostly related to the character but will not be in the actual story. Calm down, this isn’t the final story. I am saying this with peace and love don’t overreact to something that probably doesn’t matter. Go back and look at all your overreactions from previous seasons. Settle down. Have a scotch or a bong hit. It will all be alright.

    Regards,

    Rational people

  • Zeus,

    No over reactions here.
    But just FYI, the last two seasons’ leaked auditions were in the show word for word.

  • StrokemeMarg:
    ArgonathofBraavos,

    After reading the books twice, her story line is the one that stays with me the most from Feast. I remember almost every part of her arc, but very little from the other ones in the book. Obviously this means that the Dornish plot triggered far more interest in myself as a reader and I was intrigued by the characters and events than the other arcs. I can barely remember anything from Alayne’s, Cersei’s, Arya’s and Brienne’s arcs. All I rememeber from the Ironborn is the actual Kingsmoot, the characters were so one dimensional it was sad. Euron, a pirate’s life for me (complete with stock one eye), I am Sinbad traveling the Seven Seas, returning home with a magical horn. Victarion, typical Viking stock player, yawn!

    Palace intrigue, done poorly as it is in the Dorne chapters, can be just as cliched and boring as characters who display characteristics of the heroic archetypes in a cookie-cutter fashion. I think both the Dorne and Iron Island storylines suffer from being “thinner” than the material in King’s Landing, but I still prefer the latter. I’m also worried that noone is Dorne is going to come close to Pedro Pascal’s awesomeness, and that this will ultimately set up a disappointing contrast.

  • We are still speculating, but I wouldn’t mind that much if Ellaria Sand replaced Arianne, principally because I find Indira Vahrma to be a very good actress and we have already invested in her suffering. Also we can’t be introduced to that many characters, lets not forget the greyjoys are coming and also Griff, high septon, LS etc.
    Ellaria has enough reasons to want revenge, even more when she comes back home carrying her dead paramour to find her daughters imprisoned. She could not only start the Queenmaker plot, also a plot to give Obara oficial recognition and later marry her to Aegon (or try). And as I suggested before, she could even seduce Jaime (if the runours are true) into supporting Myrcella, his only reminder of a good hearted Cersei (if there was one).

  • Ser Davos Seaworth:
    Blind Beth,

    they should drop the aunt, darry, bracken and blackwood. Instead have Jaime go straight to Riverrun, where Walder Frey is leading the assault, then have the blackfish scene and the fake Edmure hanging and the blackfish escape (I’m 100% sure he joins the BwB). Then in the aftermath of the completed siege Brienne arrives.


    I’d hope they have at least one episode in Darry on the way to Riverrun, if only to establish where the hell Lancel has been all this time.

  • utherwolf,

    In the show somewhere, its been said that both Blackfish and Edmure are captured prisoners of the Freys, and Riverrun is taken. I suppose this frees up Jaime to go to Dorne. I can’t see how he takes the role of Arys Oakhart. Become Arianne’s lover? I dunno. I imagine he could go as the head of the King’s Guard to check up on Ser Arys, and the Princess Myrcella.

  • Erik Kaye:
    utherwolf,

    In the show somewhere, its been said that both Blackfish and Edmure are captured prisoners of the Freys, and Riverrun is taken.I suppose this frees up Jaime to go to Dorne. I can’t see how he takes the role of Arys Oakhart.Become Arianne’s lover? I dunno.I imagine he could go as the head of the King’s Guard to check up on Ser Arys, and the Princess Myrcella.

    It said Edmure was a prisoner but they actually said the Blackfish got away.

    Posted this elsewhere but it fits in this thread more.

    Tyene Audition

  • I counted about 62 new characters introduced in A Dance With Dragons. The most important would include Griff and Young Griff, Penny, Bloodraven, Quentyn Martell, Prince Doran and some of the Sand Snakes. Did I leave anybody out? Plus 9 returning characters we haven’t seen in a while. How they cast the rest all depends on what parts they cut out of the story. I’ve read that Bloodraven was cast. King Balon Greyjoy’s Dwarf in the Battle of Five Dwarfs sequence is listed in IMDb as Krysten Coombs, so she might be Penny. Surely, ADwD is the most extravagant book in the Song of Fire and Ice series yet. How the hell are they going to budget all the extravaganzas, and all the new actors?

  • Turncloak: “Man Men” has said that they often go so far as to change the names of characters in the scripts used when actors audition, as a way of limiting the knowledge of outsiders. I’m sure I’ve heard of this happening with casting for other shows too, so that could be what’s happened here.
    That’s Because Matt Weiner has secrecy OCD. Transcripts from past leaked auditions played out exactly the same way on screen (examples: Styr and Locke)

    That’s definitely not just a Mad Men thing. They change the names of major characters for the auditions for lots of big shows, especially if they make the sides available for the actors online. They want to avoid potential spoilers. :)
    Turncloak,

  • Kit:
    trish,

    That’s actually an interesting idea. If she is indeed saying “your” instead of “our” (hard to tell with the accent), it means that either Tyene isn’t a Sand Snake and is taking on Arianne qualities (then why rename, though? It’s not like “Arianne” is hard or, IMO, close to any other names or anything) or Obara is talking to two different people in this scene, one of whom is Tyene (the direct address in the beginning) and the other of whom is Arianne, and the person offscreen just didn’t bother differentiating (since what matters for the audition is Tania’s performance and not the other people in the scene, after all, and the casting guys would know the difference since they’d have the scripts themselves). Do they usually use scenes with more than one other person in them to read off of, though? I always sort of figured audition scenes were mostly two-handers.

    Or maybe the other person just flubbed the line and it’s a moot point.

    Most auditions pieces are 2 person, but those scenes with multiple characters do happen.

  • the dwarf will go to drone…..after finishing of his maker….and teaming up to kill all the funking lanisters….

  • I think people should stop reading too much into this. By this point, D&D know that there will be leaks. Why would they use ANY actual dialogue to audition wannabes? That said, I’m digging Tania Raymonde as one of the Sand Snakes. Love the Dorne storylines.

  • EL OH EL at the fact that the writers think this show is going to be finished in 7 seasons….. if they’re really leaving in all of Dorne and going into complete detail with Feast and Dance, they won’t finish in 8 seasons. 9 should do the trick